Aikido ATEMI - striking techniques, by Stefan Stenudd in 2008
ฝัง
- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ก.ย. 2024
- Some atemi (striking) applications to aikido, filmed at my dojo. Atemi is mainly used in aikido for distraction and to break balance, not to actually hit. But the strikes still need proper aim and power, or they won't create the reaction intended.
Uke is Andreas Johansson. Recorded in 2008.
My aikido dojo is Enighet in Malmö, Sweden: www.aikidoenig...
For more about aikido, visit my website:
www.stenudd.co...
My aikido books:
www.amazon.com...
www.amazon.com...
Beautiful sir. Simply beautiful. Aikido is (among other things) Atemi and Irimi, we should never forget that. Greetings from Spanish Aikikai
Ich mache jetzt seit 8 Monaten AIkido , und ich muss sagen : Ich kann froh sein wenn ich irgendwann auch einmal so eine Präzision habe ! Wirklich ein sehr tolles Video !
Im an Aikidoka myself. I absolutely love this vid. It just goes to show that people who think Aikido doesnt have that ability to be direct and nasty in a real fight really dont understand the arts true capabilities to defend oneself. My Sensei is really big on atemi to the kidneys and the lower ribs when demostrating certian techniques also the bridge of the nose. Thats one of the cool aspects of Yoshinkan Aikido is the emphasis on Atemi before, during and after the technique.
@Nagarpo, I belong to Aikikai, but I wouldn't say that what I show on this particular video clip is basic Aikikai. Actually, Aikikai is an organization, and not really a style. Within Aikikai you can see very different ways of doing aikido.
Great educational video, and practical techniques too
This is nice work Stefan... Saotome Sensei has us do work like this.
Love this video. Totally shows the hard alternatives to all the softer techniques which are emphasized in most Aikido dojo. Every soft technique has its hard alternative. I think alot of people forget that Aikido comes out of 5 different forms of Jujutsu (Diato Ryu being the heaviest influence of course) and also Kenjutsu and Sojutsu. Aikido has so many techniques in its entirity that no 2 masters teach it and perform it quite the same.
There are many ways to fight, many ways to protect ourselves, and many ways to resolve conflict. It's hard to say what O'Sensei was all about when he was younger, but it's clear if you know people like Suganuma Shihan (one of O'Sensei's last live in Students), what he was like when he was matured in body, mind and Spirit. I find the Art of Resolving Conflict to be refreshing and uplifting and that for me, Aikido is not about Self Defense, but rather, Self Awareness.
Very good video. Some of this techniques are karate-like. I think that it proofs that, at the end, karate-do and aikido are the same, as part of Budo. The ultimate technique in karate-do is "nage" and the goal is "learning to fight to avoid fighting" to gain peace.
Thank again for your excellent video.
Well, I belong to Aikikai, but that's a wide scope of so called styles.
So?
I like this guy. At least somebody put the effort to show how Aikido works with real fighting situation. keep it up
I enjoyed watching this also mainly because I liked the guys Aikido, very centred and nice entering. As for the Atemi, although it is interesting and informative, it just goes to show how indepth Aikido really is in terms of how O'sensei decided to take out the atemi and left you to study the art of taking centre.
Aikido is a martial art of self defense.What u learn in dojo is a variations of this art.U might not use everthing that u learned on the street.Few of this basic techniques r very useful but to master & understand it u need to learn variations of techniques(with patience) in this art & it takes 4-5 years to really used it on the street when it is needed.Whatever negative comments about it, i'm sure aikidoka will learn these:1)caution 2)distance 3)reflex 4)speed 5) stability & 6)timing.
very nice intepretation of atemi-waza! and this is the first time i've since preemptive aikido tachi-waza. really provided food for thought re: katatetori grabs. thank you for sharing this sensei.
It's style dependant, but most western schools teach post-WWII Ueshiba Aikido, which does NOT teach striking. In fact they'll ridicule you just for suggesting it. Aikido is like a religion where everyone claims to teach the "one true way" of Ueshiba & disagree with everyone else. If you're looking for Aikido that incorporates strikes into the form, look into Yoshinkan or another "early" (pre-WWII Ueshiba) style. Or you could forgo Aikido altogether & study what it was based off of, Daito Ryu.
I think this is excellent Atemi, just love the multiple Atemi, if I may respectfully suggest move into the attacking arm quickly before its fully extended, try to stifle it.
When the arm is extended there are some advantages: the equilibrium is more forward ( I hope this is the good word), the arm has less force, there's a very little but important moment of stop, we can look better ( and this is important to learn, I think)
AIKIDO IS THE BEST MARTIAL ART. YOU DO NOT EVEN NEED TO ATTACK AND YOU WIN
I see this as another aspect of aikido, simply. Aikido can be practiced in many ways. This is one of them.
Many misunderstand aikido, because they don't see its potential. Soft solutions contain hard alternatives. To understand aikido, one needs to study both.
Very good vision about atemi application.
Thanks for posting.
Thanks for the video, this ones quite interesting to consider, and as for the kick I was taught that it was something to be aware of when performing a technique as it can prove to be an immediate counter if body positioning is wrong whilst using irimi so well included as it reminded me ^^
Hi Mathias,
The arm strike at 0:44 is more of a block, done in the direction of uke's strike, to make him lose balance. It sort of pushes him on. An atemi would be better to do on his upper arm, which is more sensitive to strikes.
Nice!!! Very simple and to the point. Though you can see the same kinds of things in Hapkido and Kenpo, the Aikido version is pretty darned cool.
It is obvious that he's showing the right martial attitudes (positioning, absorbing,etc..) in a STYLISED,fragmented way just for the illustration.Attackers in the real world (if you have noticed) DO NOT strike most of the time--they spend most of the time doing fake confusing movements with great speed in terms to fool the other and if/when the other is fooled into leaving an 'openining',then they 'sting'--if their 'sting' has ANY pierce at ll then what you see in this vid could neutralise them.
I believe he said it was 90% atemi in a real situation. He wasn't refering to the art form. The art form is mainly about NOT striking, but i'd imagine the self defence may require striking to 'fill in' if your attacker does something unexpected (which they will inevitably do). It may be what he meant was once you apply an aikido technique you should be able to end the fight with that single oppertunity, thus it would only make up a small percentage of the fight. Would you agree or no?
70% Atemi 30% technique according to Bill Gleason
Onegaishimas Sensei... from ryobukai venezuela, your videos are excellent to our study of aikido, thanks you, this year i'm goping to train with shihan requena aikikai... i hope
I think that also depends on what style of Aikido you practise. Some do more some do less.
But remember that it wasn't that uncommon with broken bones in the dojo during O'Sensei's and Saito sensei's time.
Very nice atemis. And for the comment left by Mrdevandude, if you were ever hit or put in a lock or arm bar you wouldn`t resist neither. Its like the more you resist the more you find yourself in agony from the pain of your beholder. Good to say what you would`ve done after the fact. Try feeling some of the submission of Aikido then tell us if you feel the same.
Quite interesting. Seeing atemi/striking is very alien to me.
To be honest, not how I would have done it, but I'm very glad to see someone else is actually teaching atemi waza in aikido.
Hope to have more of my own videos out soon.
TMA Revisited not how you would have done it. That’s funny you would stand there and get slapped.
Hey, how you been? Have not heard from you in a while. Hope you are doing ok.
well said, first time I've heard a positive comment concerning MMA and Aikido, typicaly you train and know better rather than all these arm chair black belts and keyboard warriors, I have been training since childhood in a few martial arts including Karate, Kung fu and kickboxing, I chose Aikido a few years ago and have been training ever since, a few of these people need to train in something and then put up comments.
I love the last one where he kicks to the chest when the guy punches in gyaku? hanmi... this is what my instructor used to do even from kneeling if we came from that angle of attack... he used to say 'no, no... if you come from that side I don't need aikido' lol
Dude, all he said is that he wanted to fight this guy and test his aikido, he even said he would accept his beating like a man if he were to be wrong. That shows that he is indeed in touch with reality.
Aikido is awesome and works. its no different than any other system in practice. some dude punches or kicks and some other dude does his technique.
@99XM Sorry for doubting about your experience. Just to let you know, I am a former judoka. Since I can remember, I practiced judo. Now, after ten years of no activity, I got back but this time with Aikido. It's a great martial art, and based on your experience, you should try it before saying anything against it. Oss.
I would not ask you to agree completely. As I said, Aikido is a big tent. You see them as separate subjects, but if you practiced in a Tomiki or a YoshinKan Aikido school( or sum others) you would find there is NO Separation of Atemi and what has become the popular modern Aikido. I have moved past heavy strikes in my Aikido practice also but what these teachers are showing is a good and even Fun part of a quality Aiki Practice.
Unfortunately, I don't know where you would find substantial material of that kind. Maybe you can ask at the AikiWeb forum?
I was in a 3rd kyu ranking when i involved in a car accident few years ago.That guy walked out swearing at me & point a finger right up my face.I used only 2 techniques, that was iriminage & tenchinage.Few of the bystanders stop the fight when i was in the middle of doing tenchinage to him.He got bruises & cut on his face(i do not know how & when he got that), it happens to fast but i'm sure he didn't even touch me! In a real fight, with Aikido, I experienced it!
@Mrdevandude It is because aikido is self defense and have a strong background on pacifism. The philosofy on that martial art is to NOT HARM the opponent, even if it is a bad guy on bad will. If you see anyone HARMING another, it could be anything but NOT aikido
When do you start learning Atemi in aikido? Do you learn Atemi after years ?
Atemi is learned right away in yoshinkan as part of the syllabus. For red belt, your first belt, you are tought to atemi in both katate mochi shiho nage ich and shomen uchi ikkajo osae ich. There are differences in schools though so i can only speak for yoshinkan. Atemi has a twofold purpose. First to give your opponent something to think about. Secondly to inflict pain and distraction. It is not meant to be a hit but rather used as part of an overall technique and strategy.
You should be learning atemi right away. Unfortunately, many schools no longer teach it like they should.
Some of us are working to change that.
Well, that may have an Aikido class at Bragg, but currently, the Marine Corps Martial art Program (MCMAP) is the designated hand to hand course.
@Iaazathoth I totally agree..most people dont want to see or practice this part in Aikido.. because (they think) that this has nothing to do with harmonizing and does not fit in their view and knowledge of the art of non violence. A pacifist is not really a pacifist if he is unable to make a choice between violence and non-violence.
mrdevondude the beauty of aikido is that you would not get chance to resist
Wonderfull atemi presentation !
Atemi is great for those beginning Aikido, it helps show openings in the attack and teaches you to enter into their space, once you learn that, Atemi becomes superfluous. I hardly use atemi and my Aikido is far from sloppy, if I did I rather learn an atemi based MA like Aiki-jutsu. O'sensei didnt need atemi to do powerful technique, kokyo on the otherhand is another beast.
@ToumasuKun Interesting question. From my point of view, it looks like this technique is good for a punch counter, or if he has his lead hand extended too far. It may also be a good go-to move if you grab his wrist and try pushing (for let's say a figured 4/Americana takedown) and he resists successfully. Just an observation.
Funny thing Rob is that Stenudd does "bullshit ballet techniques" as well.
But as my wife commented the other day, when the masters do a demonstration it all looks like the same aikido no matter the style. The path might be different but the end result is aikido.
To be honest with one self is to do what is right for you and not what other say you should think.
Hey guys I know what Atemi means and what an Atemi is use for. But in Aikido the aim is to armonize with the energy of the attack, so the Tori/Nage will immobilize the Uke using the force of the attack by stablishing a correct balance, timing and maai.
So breaking noses, ribs, genitals and etc, can look cool but it´s not Aikido.
@ToumasuKun, I actually don't pull him to me, but to my side, into the throwing technique iriminage. Apart from that, I agree with you that every selfish action has its drawbacks and risks.
thats so awesome.I am going for my first aikido class next month :)
Fantastic 👍🏼😊 💕 ❤️
@MeowMixMadness, I've seen kicks that are very fast indeed. It should not be excluded. Rather, it's a question of opportunity and timing. In aikido, we relate to somebody already attacking, which leaves openings that can be dealt with in all kinds of ways.
But I agree - sacrifice throws are definitely also cool :)
Hello Sensei,
Thanks for posting.
Badass Atemi.
If those where full contact, there will be a lot of damage.
@AikikaiAikido I am unsure what you mean?
Do you imply a Muay Thai 'practitioner' unable to lean technique?
solpap-
Rummaging thru TH-cam videos takes incomparably more time than typing out a reply.
But thank you for the encouragement, I will continue practicing !!
You do know that Ueshiba Morihei said: "Aikido is 90% atemi"? :) This video is definitely aikido.
Doesn't striking with this karate type style stop the momentum and flow of the aikido techniques?
For all who think aikido is strictly self defence, you're expertly wrong. If anything, when you hit around 4th dann, aikido becomes at least 99.9 perfect atemi in a real situation... two things, my aikido teacher told me aikido is all about speed and if they get held down, they can't do much (Iwama ryu practicioner) Also, are you doing the kick as a part of aikido, or, is it someone attacking you?
I guess you mean the TH-cam account kazeutabudokai.
There's a lot of videos. Anyone in particular? Perhaps one you're in?
In a actual confrontation atemi may be necessary, Aikidoka that ignore this, or do not have any training in striking are likely to be surprised when the rubber meets the road.
Few of us have the time or ability to attain a level where atemi can be eliminated from our execution.
I'm new on Aikido so I want to ask... Is this the classic aikido style (Aikikai, right?) or is another one? Thanks :D
In my experience, that direct entry with the punch does work, as long as you time it exactly when they punch you, then it looks exactly like in the video. Their own energy rebounding into them.
However, applying direct ikkyo on boxing stance like that is much harder. The person's elbow is down and they're conditioned to keep it down, and they resist and back up. I have not had success with that one.
P.S. I dont practice Yoshinkan Aikido myself I practice Dojin Aikikai. Despite what people think Aikikai can be very aggressive but that usually depends on ones instructor.
@99XM
You hear what you want to hear. By the way, there is a "Shift" key on your keyboard. Try it sometimes.
@marshallprince yes and no. Aikido, by pure definition, is "the way (do) of harmony (ai) and spirit (ki)." Thus, anything that requires harmony and energy, like breathing, is aikido. Thus, this video is titled with aikido because it requires both harmonizing with your opponent's attack and it requires energy control.
Unextended arms have their advantages and disadvantages. The mechanics gets complex. But I think that a street fighter would adopt a boxing stance, which is a different story.
And what is aikido? Rather then a system of some techniques, aikido is some kind of principles, learning how to control a space around you, learning how to find a weak position in an attacker´s motion. And atemi is a huge part of aikido. It doesn´t mean you have to break somebody´s nose, does it? In the early days of aikido atemi were used much more than nowadays. That´s why aikido´s said to have no end. Aikido is principles with a help of techniques application.
looking at videos without actual training,you just wont understand,try training in karate and aikido,make the effort,then will see the truth,both are complimentary,and these demonstrations are the best ive seen.does your sport have a method for weapons attack,or is it just a sport with rules,the reality of defence is to train and train ,until it becomes you ,not trawling the web
better come to a fight with something practiced 10,000 times than with no practice at all
I suppose it's because it's done at low speed for training purposes & demo. Once the sequence becomes totally embedded in you muscle memory, it should all be swoosh...¿right? Like Kenpo Karate perhaps?
@Nagarpo Yes this is aikikai, you will learn alot of vital point strikes as you get along.
Excellent, very good work!
Yea, I remember in the founder's writings, how he said so many times, that once you get through all the airy fairy techniques we teach you... finally we'll teach you the real stuff (at 4th dan or so)... and then you can look cool in silly videos like all the karate folks... only you'll have the advantage of wearing a skirt.
Atemi in this case is used to draw an attack from the attacker rather than actually strike the person. I think my words in the first post are incorrect, I should've have said, the emphasis is on technique rather than atemi. This demonstration shows the opposite. I believe there is a danger that many Aikidoka fall into and thats looking to put Atemi before technique because it is easier to perform and has instant results.
Superb you do it really easy but it works
@estepuertoexiste its the atemi part of aikido which is an attack.
I know Osensei said that atemi is a big part of Aikido. I think that he meant as part of the aiki technique, not as a karate style like this. You may as well just train in Karate or atemi jitsu if this is what you want. I think that it is useful for anyone who does Aikido, Judo etc to train in atemi. I have actually done it But I wouldn't call this Aikido.
Yes, i feel it does. Besides it would HURT the partner, something that advanced practitioners love to ignore and forget, it is very hard to let go from the disire to cause pain to an agressive attacker--i mean, this is what makes Aikido Aikido. Also, ATEMI to my feeling should be used only for disballance and NOT as a way of making the attacker quit, let alone, get hurt.
You are right but in his last years you dont see much atemi any more. From Daito ryu through Aiki Budo to Aikido he softened his techniqes more and more and make them less violent.
Great video. Thanks for sharing
Some of his moves looked like Nishio sensei's ... very effective!
My thoughts too. Nishio Sensei lives on through his students.
So this is what you do when you're thinking "I ain't got time for this shit" or when the uke is being an ass! Wonderful! I always thought our art is not an offensive one!
Danke 🙏
Why was the the attacker punching like that?
from my point of view, these are the possible variations of atemi that can be applied... just need to choose one... and about uke using his leg, this person should make another video to show it.. but i agree with you the uke is like a doll, but hey. they are practicing... :)
my uni lecturer is an aikido practitioner...
this stuff looks cool
@MeowMixMadness true but an effective kick is a follow up from another type of atemi....so you have to take that into account
Very interesting, thanks.Like me, aikido atemi is used not so much to injure, but for the same contactless sky. in your same ispolnenii uke does not have time to react, and received blunt blows. You may have exaggerated especially for clarity.
O'sensei tought that Aikido and true Budo is love and noneviolence. That Aikido is a way of learning noneviolence and no resitance. But with Atemi this is quite contradictory.But at least even a armbreaking Kotegaeshi or head on the ground smashing Irimi Nage is more lethal/burtal than a Judo throw or a JJ choke.
there are some out there who cant see the value of avoiding getting hit,or the precise meaning of atemi. in aiki it is to divert ki,like a boxing feint,in karate you would be striking a vital point,to control,jeet kune do would not discount it.indeed to quote ip mans son everything that comes from my fist is wing chun,think or get hurt.
Great answer. Style is for clothes and decorating.
@mateusalgarve I know but there arent any street fight videos with someone using aikido
so many "if its not in mma its shite" people out there... Question - Wing chun is very similar in these moves, the first few especially, the punch through his punch then gurad hand undr armpit was taught me by WC sifu, is there a link between these arts?
@MeowMixMadness
It is funny, the reverse is true with karate. As you get higher, and grappling throwing or tuite becomes far more prevalent then the striking aspects of the art. It is funny how the more one develops in knowledge, the more similar the "different" arts become.
"First, smash the eyes" - O Sensei on ikkyo
"Smash opponent's face full force" - O Sensei on iriminage
"Aikido is 70-90% atemi" - O Sensei on Aikido
"No atemi" my ass.
ATEMI=Vital points ?
Looks a bit like some Okinawan karate - specifically how strikes transition to joint locks. Makes sense this would exist in Aikido, as when it first started my guess is most of the people training in it had some exposure to striking styles and could use the new Aikido techniques to "graft" onto the striking techniques they already knew. Makes me think a Karate/Aikido combo would be great for self defense if there was time to study both. What you show seems to go back to more AJJ roots, no?
Which style of aikido is this if you don't mind me asking?
Thanks once again for your video on Atemi - waza sensei, it´s been very interesting!! by the way some months ago, we ( at the dojo) we´re looking for information on short distance hand manouvers, from Aikido similar to wing chun´s chi sao ( sticky hand & forearm sensitivity training / drills)and couldn´t fine none, We wonder if you know anything about it. thanks for your reply
greetings from Aikido Yoseikan South America
I think this comment from poopedinyourmouth a few months ago is essentially correct. To say this is not proper or is incorrect Aikido is one that can only be made by either a newer or very arrogant Aikido student. To question the techniques of these two obviously senior Aikidoka is to clearly not understand the subject. The unique esthetic that is Aikido is a big tent and has many interpretations. And believe it when I tell you , go and practice at hombu dojo you Will take an ass kickin
literal translation: striking.
@ParkFight parkfight..that means u fight at the park??