I'm glad i watched this. Its made me decide against being pulled behind a friends boat to experience being up on foil. I started wing foiling several months ago. I wanted to learn quickly and decrease the long walks up wind to the take off point. But I'm just starting to get up on foil more now with my wing, still crashing but able to stay upwind more too. I feel it would be going backwards at this point! You just have to keep doing it! Thanks for sharing the pros/cons with us!
I'm a beginner wingfoiler coming from a windsurfing and surfing background. I had no foiling background. I took one lesson being pulled behind a boat on a beginner wingfoil board. It helped me to get a "feel" for what being up on foil was like and some idea of weight/hip shifting forces. But aside from that initial "feel" actual wingfoiling is totally different. I'm a little torn about whether it was worth it because it was so expensive in my area. I was getting up on foil almost from the start, but I was climbing too fast for my skill level. I then moved the mast back 1/2" and that was a game changer and I immediately felt comfortable on foil. If you're struggling foiling you might want to experiment with mast position. Small changes make a big difference!
Great choice of topics, sir! A lot of friends new to foiling ask this and your point about efoiling/towed foiling teaching bad or inefficient habits is a really good point. Heartily agree with having good conditions and being overpowered. Moving to a wing 1m larger than recommended by the "experts" was the key to unlocking controlled foiling for me. My one additional tip is to use a big board and big foil while learning. I found that the stability of a big board, power of a big wing, and big lift from a big foil - these solved the initial stage of getting lift. Once up, all the other components of sheeting out, pressuring the board, pumping the foil can be worked on to achieve controlled foiling. Keep 'em coming, great job!
@awkwa Ha ha! That jealousy will fade when you see me foiling in a drysuit parka in sub freezing conditions in January. Just soaking up these temporary tropics!
If you want to experience wing dynamics and practice jibe manipulation, etc., the best way is with a OneWheel and an empty, windy parking lot. Much better than a skateboard, because, among other things, you can lean back [i.e. apply the "brakes" slightly] to balance the force of the wing. Just make sure that you've first learned how to keep the wing tips off the ground so you don't grind them on the asphalt--and wear a helmet, etc.
I wing sup almost daily but want to transition to foil. I get the same advice of efoil or get pulled by boat. But like you said I dont want to learn the nuances of getting pulled since I'm not going todo that again. I have a big f-one inflatable board that can take a foil. On the used foil market I see a lot of 1300 cm2 or less foil but do you think i can use that to learn or not enough lift ? I wish i can find like a 1800 or 2000 but new ones are kind of expensive.
That's very surprising to learn that your wake-foiling friend is struggling. I'm struggling to get out in the right conditions, getting flat water and good wind in the right direction. Have you experimented with different mast lengths? (Ease of balance on foil with short mast versus added stability from keel effect with long mast).
Since filming and editing this, she has really broken through with the help of some other friends. I really think it was her lack of (and working on) basic wing skills that was holding her back. She's kind of the opposite situation of most people. She's got the foiling part down, now that she has a slightly better idea of the nuances of the wing and using it for power and balance, well the skies the limit for her! Great suggestions for others, though, and thanks for watching!
Sorry I have to totally disagree with you. The E-foil board and later foil drive which allowed me to use my wing foiling board was my salvation in learning to wing. Being towed was not constructive and I soon kicked this into touch. As a 65 yr old it was not going to happen without breaking the skills down into smaller chunks. Plenty of wind and flat water are also prime requirements for learning to wing.
No apologies necessary. I actually I talked about how, prior to finally breaking through on going upwind, I was "this close" to buying an eFoil myself but edited out for length. Thank god I didn't buy one lol Glad the eFoil worked out for you and thanks for viewing!
I'm glad i watched this. Its made me decide against being pulled behind a friends boat to experience being up on foil. I started wing foiling several months ago. I wanted to learn quickly and decrease the long walks up wind to the take off point. But I'm just starting to get up on foil more now with my wing, still crashing but able to stay upwind more too. I feel it would be going backwards at this point! You just have to keep doing it! Thanks for sharing the pros/cons with us!
I'm a beginner wingfoiler coming from a windsurfing and surfing background. I had no foiling background. I took one lesson being pulled behind a boat on a beginner wingfoil board. It helped me to get a "feel" for what being up on foil was like and some idea of weight/hip shifting forces. But aside from that initial "feel" actual wingfoiling is totally different. I'm a little torn about whether it was worth it because it was so expensive in my area.
I was getting up on foil almost from the start, but I was climbing too fast for my skill level. I then moved the mast back 1/2" and that was a game changer and I immediately felt comfortable on foil. If you're struggling foiling you might want to experiment with mast position. Small changes make a big difference!
Great choice of topics, sir! A lot of friends new to foiling ask this and your point about efoiling/towed foiling teaching bad or inefficient habits is a really good point. Heartily agree with having good conditions and being overpowered. Moving to a wing 1m larger than recommended by the "experts" was the key to unlocking controlled foiling for me. My one additional tip is to use a big board and big foil while learning. I found that the stability of a big board, power of a big wing, and big lift from a big foil - these solved the initial stage of getting lift. Once up, all the other components of sheeting out, pressuring the board, pumping the foil can be worked on to achieve controlled foiling. Keep 'em coming, great job!
Great advice. Looking good, buddy. Very jealous you get to ride in temps under 110 degrees!!
@awkwa Ha ha! That jealousy will fade when you see me foiling in a drysuit parka in sub freezing conditions in January. Just soaking up these temporary tropics!
If you want to experience wing dynamics and practice jibe manipulation, etc., the best way is with a OneWheel and an empty, windy parking lot. Much better than a skateboard, because, among other things, you can lean back [i.e. apply the "brakes" slightly] to balance the force of the wing. Just make sure that you've first learned how to keep the wing tips off the ground so you don't grind them on the asphalt--and wear a helmet, etc.
I wing sup almost daily but want to transition to foil. I get the same advice of efoil or get pulled by boat. But like you said I dont want to learn the nuances of getting pulled since I'm not going todo that again. I have a big f-one inflatable board that can take a foil. On the used foil market I see a lot of 1300 cm2 or less foil but do you think i can use that to learn or not enough lift ? I wish i can find like a 1800 or 2000 but new ones are kind of expensive.
That's very surprising to learn that your wake-foiling friend is struggling. I'm struggling to get out in the right conditions, getting flat water and good wind in the right direction. Have you experimented with different mast lengths? (Ease of balance on foil with short mast versus added stability from keel effect with long mast).
Since filming and editing this, she has really broken through with the help of some other friends. I really think it was her lack of (and working on) basic wing skills that was holding her back. She's kind of the opposite situation of most people. She's got the foiling part down, now that she has a slightly better idea of the nuances of the wing and using it for power and balance, well the skies the limit for her! Great suggestions for others, though, and thanks for watching!
Sorry I have to totally disagree with you. The E-foil board and later foil drive which allowed me to use my wing foiling board was my salvation in learning to wing. Being towed was not constructive and I soon kicked this into touch.
As a 65 yr old it was not going to happen without breaking the skills down into smaller chunks.
Plenty of wind and flat water are also prime requirements for learning to wing.
No apologies necessary. I actually I talked about how, prior to finally breaking through on going upwind, I was "this close" to buying an eFoil myself but edited out for length. Thank god I didn't buy one lol Glad the eFoil worked out for you and thanks for viewing!