Could Starship Fly Without This? And SpaceX's Incredible Recovery!
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Hey there my friends. I hope you’re doing well this fine Saturday. As always, a super exciting week it has been around Starbase in Texas, but also out off the coast as well. The full Starship stack for Flight 5 had a bunch of action being stacked and preflight tested. The big question from many, Could Starship Fly Without This Booster Catch and do that for flight 6 after the approval? Well we talk about exactly that. Also, we are diving into our coverage with Interstellar Gateway of SpaceX's Incredible Booster Recovery! Along with all that, Falcon 9 activity as with Starlink Group 9-8 but also preparation for the delayed Crew 9 mission (weather related and should launch shortly). Blue Origins New Glenn is making real progress with the GS2 Hot Fire Test, Longshot Space came out of nowhere and what on Earth happened with Deep Blue Nebula-1!?
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its kind of funny how SpaceX keeps posting photos, just showing the FAA they are ready
Does feel somewhat like a middle finger style of post somehow.
Are they ready if they haven't done a complete wet dress?
I would definitely say that they are ready
You guys should watch the latest congress hearing. The reg people are not budging. It may be 2025 before they launch again.
Are they really ready if they don't have the approval yet? Seems to me like filing the appropriate license modification application and other paper work early enough to give the feds time to process your application is part of getting ready to launch. A company with as much experience in the industry as SpaceX should know how long the FAA needs to do their job and include that in their planning and timeline, not leave it as an afterthought.
That pic of the guys on the chopsticks is priceless!!!
So good. One of the fav things I've seen all week. I'm a big fan of that original photo.
@@MarcusHouse The guys in the original photo didn't have restraints though. One good sneeze and it was a fast trip to the food truck. Different times, different kind of Men.
I am so glad they took the opportunity to take that photo
Riceless
Thankyou for being so consistent with these weekly uploads, they are my favorite part of my week. Best Starship update videos on TH-cam by far.
2nded! This is the channel I always wait for to get best Starship coverage (I also listen to Scott Manley when he posts stuff on it)
Best, most complete and without any chaff reporting even if I have to wait a week.
Yaay new update, for me, you are the only one that recaps the weeks this great! greetings from Sweden!
Thanks for being here.
I would think that the flight termination explosives would have been detonated after that splash down, just for the sake of safety of not leaving them around even more so if the recovery of parts of the booster was intended from the start.
It would be a hell of a thing to see FTS for sale on E-bay... of course they had to blow it!
The destruction of the bottom ring of the booster doesn't surprise me. Think about screaming hot engines hitting the water and the steam explosion that would happen there not to mention any remaining Fuel and oxidizer within the system would be vented at that point and in contact with metal above the auto ignition temperature, so it's entirely logical that it would blow to pieces. Have you ever seen the backyard scientist or The slo-mo guys dropping molten salt into water? Bigga boom.
Yass, it is Saturday, time for my my weekly dose ! thanks Marcus and team
Thank you so much for interesting information 😊🥰🤣
Why use pressurized gas on the moon when an electromagnetic railgun can launch material so much more efficiently? An electromagnetic catapult is an idea that is even older and that has seen many advances in R&D
It’s been said, a year ago or so, that the Chinese were going to use EM rail-guns on the moon.
You just made me think of Bugs Bunny, Wile Coyote, and the Acme corporation.
Still using outdated rocket tech is wild when ufos are flying around everyday. Using unconventional energy and propulsion.
You see this is what I’m talking about. What does the FAA have to do with the heat shield requirements? They don’t know shit about rockets. Unnecessary regulations will kill starship.
They don't know about building aeroplanes either, yet somehow they regulate thousands of flights a day. It's almost like they are set up to make sure that industries under their supervision are motivated to create safe and routine procedures so that only mishaps then require active intervention and reporting.
what if the heatshield fails? that would be a safety hazard
@@Lu.capuchino starship heat shield tiles don't fall on populated areas, and rarely fall off in the most recent flights. this should be addressed, but it really shouldn't hold up a launch. more launches would help improve the designs, not shuffling papers around
@@Lu.capuchinoStarship is built fast to get the data needed to make the required adjustments to improve it, you need to launch to see if simulations work.
I'm willing to bet that the FAA has a few aerospace engineers on the clock. The FAA gets the engineering data from the manufacture. It's up to the manufacture to explain what they expect to happen. The FAA then assess if that's dangerous to public safety. If that booster falls into Port Isabel, the questions wont be why is the FAA holding up Starship. Not even close. So please, STFU, and let the process do it's thing.
Amazing look back on a slow week. Just wish that SpaceX / StarShip could have someone from FAA work on sight or work a lot closer with them.
Excellent work MH
hopefully this is a wake up call for the FAA to have more dedicated launch license process. as space becomes more accessible and more companies begin launching more frequently, there is going to be a bottle neck in launch licenses.
The FAA goes out to BC all the time. SX takes up 80% of all FAA resources.
3:23 Just needed a few lunch boxes ;)
That was such a great zoomie shot I thought it was AI. Amazing, thanks. 😎
If SpaceX decided to exactly duplicate IFT-4 the FAA would stop them because of the new decals.
That's funny... but no, the FAA already said in a statement to NSF that they could fly at anytime with the flight 4 profile.... which I'm with SX on that idea... it's redundant.
@@hawkdsl I think SpaceX should announce that's exactly what they're going to do. Call the FAA's bluff and watch to see what excuse the FAA come up with to clock the launch.
@@hawkdsl And recently the FAA announced that the new heat shield tiles constituted a danger to the public.
They'll do anything in an attempt to remain relevant.
@@ghost307 Not a danger, but a change that needs evaluation. But yea, that one is pretty stupid. SX just has to explain what they changed in it's formulation. The FAA is making sure there is no chemical hazard. Tiles have been found everywhere, and people have been collecting them. It's not regulatory harassment on SpaceX. Just a fandom one.
FNFAA...
The progress is simply amazing!
Five starships going to Mars.
How many refilling ships are needed for those?
They better “get hasty”, boraroom”…
Fantastic as always 🔥🚀❤️ thank you Marcus and team, I will definitely catch up on the deep dives 🎉🎊🚀
The biggest take away from this is the government is actively inhibiting rapid iteration progress
Marcus, hello everybody I hope you had a great week. Me, fighting Covid having a hard time keeping awake. Even covid won't stop me from listening to this show!!
i know it is so common now, but seeing them stack a rocket and ready to load propellent with in 24 hrs is INSANE.
They need a new division to deal specifically with space related flights, there's so much competition out there now, I think it needs it.
I have a feeling the hanging rocket was due to an error in measurements. Maybe an extra 0... Oops.
I'm an optimist, but even as such, traveling to Mars isn't as easy as this makes it sound. Because of that, I think it'll not happen any time soon. Uncrewed for sure, but people is a whole different story. The danger traveling for that long is huge on multiple levels. Let alone not being able to return for years.
The destruction of the bottom ring of the booster doesn't surprise me. Think about screaming hot engines hitting the water and the steam explosion that would happen there not to mention any remaining Fuel and oxidizer within the system would be vented at that point and in contact with metal above the auto ignition temperature, so it's entirely logical that it would blow to pieces. Have you ever seen the backyard scientist or The slo-mo guys dropping molten salt into water? Bigga boom.
SpaceX would probably have set off the self-destruct charges for safety reasons after they got the necessary data anyway. Maybe a combination of both.
Hey hey Marcus! Thanks for another great episode!
Another excellent roundup of space goodness
Thank you MH + Team for everything
Hey there Rob! You have been with us for so long. Thank you for your very dedicated support of what we do.
The next great pic of a row of iron workers will be on Mars, eighty years or so from now.
Yes Marcus🫡😁 again🎉
Space x keeps working whilst faa go home at night.
😎Well Marcus things are indeed getting exciting. 😎
16 minutes and I'm here. Heck yes!
Great to see more Blue Origin - New Glenn news.
And china unveiled their lunar eva suit today!
SpaceX beefing with the FAA is hilarious
Sorta like a kid in line at the grocery store arguing with it's mother for a candy bar.
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thanks for the updates marcus
At this point the FAA's incompetence/malicious bureaucracy is obstructing one of SpaceX's most valuable strategies, rapid testing. How can you pinpoint and correct errors or make well informed upgrades with future ships after all if you're five prototypes further along by the time even one of them can get certified for a flight? I bet you could fire eight out of ten people there and lose absolutely nothing of value to the agency.
As long as all the firing happens on the upper levels of management, the ones in the middle and lower levels are doing all of the works. Only the heads must roll.
Rapid testing of the sort SpaceX conducts with the full stack is wasteful at best.
Thanks, armchair beaurecrat
Ditto if we deported Leon
Sounds like fandom frustration.
"Inconceivable!"
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Dream team. Thanks for working along with us! Exciting times!
Recall the Germans in WWII had Vengeance Weapon 3 which was a multi-barrel cannon using the same idea. Also, Iraq tried this as well, designed I believe by the guy who designed HARP and was later assassinated by Mossad.
His name was Gerald Bull.
Canadian... originally worked for the US. His first super long range cannon fired from New Brunswick, Canada into Vermont !!! The US military evaluated the firings that way. DARPA cancelled the program though and he was able to find only one other source of funding: Saddam Hussein.
Needless to say, the Israeli government didn't like that... Very big mistake for Mr. Bull. His goal however was not for military use - he wanted to create a more efficient satellite launch system. It was obvious Saddam didn't want to launch satellites, and it cost both of them everything in the end.
Those who can, do. Those who can't work for the government.
Ridiculous
@@ThatOpalGuy you are indeed
*Marcus* Love this! Yes a grain of salt on the eLoN Mars timeline.... Weight guess? ... that *single grain of salt is approximately 5,000 kilograms*
Maybe the booster hitting the sea floor at apx 135kph might explain most of the booster deformation....ya think😮
The destruction of the bottom ring of the booster doesn't surprise me. Think about screaming hot engines hitting the water and the steam explosion that would happen there not to mention any remaining Fuel and oxidizer within the system would be vented at that point and in contact with metal above the auto ignition temperature, so it's entirely logical that it would blow to pieces. Have you ever seen the backyard scientist or The slo-mo guys dropping molten salt into water? Bigga boom.
Weird we are still using old rocket tech when ufos are in our skys everyday using unconventional energy and propulsion methods.😂💯🎯
South Africa finally in Talks with Elon for Starlink. Let us hope Rama doesn't mess this opportunity up.
I realize that modularity and flexibility costs money, but why isn't SpaceX doing more testing and modification of its Starship booster? As far as I understand it, the whole concept of Starship was to move eventually to a variety of configurations. I remember that the original Texas flying water tanks were tested with a dummy load. Could SpaceX test a version without a functional hot staging ring? Couldn't SpaceX get going on testing booster catching, perhaps with a partial fuel load and/or with a smaller number of rocket engines to compensate for the smaller fuel load?
Lol, why does SpaceX's visuals show a city being built on the surface of Mars? We all know we have to dig into the ground and live in dirt mounds to protect from the hostile environment.
The FAA needs a complete overhaul! They need to get with the times or we’ll be left behind! Great video! 🍻
The FAAs delays are ridiculous and anti American, the only real risk is a complete loss of control of the booster on re-entry which applies to any catch attempt, my point being the FAA and SpaceX know the fundamentals of the test. As for explosions, we watched many crashes and explosions to get this far. There is nothing novel about a catch test attempt.
I think the FAA delay has been a blessing to Elon and SpaceX for flight 5. It has forced Elon to do a lot more testing around catching the booster at tower A. So re-enforcing the 🥢 and simulating catching the booster.
I think they have to use the crane to lower the test item and then see what speeds the 🥢 can actually catch the test item - which is a test tank acting as a booster substitute.
As impressive as a giant robot catching a booster on the air is, Blue origin aproach seems way more practical, carrying the landing gear may reduce the range of the booster, but being able to land it almost anywhere without a giant tower is a plus.
We should be on flight 7 or 8 by now without government interference .
“Deep blue aerospace” how original. So they copy SpaceX design and a take on blue origins name
i must see a rotary table loaded with starships launching in rapid succession
It's the FAA that is the problem, too bad they don't remember who pays their salary.
Elon got involved in politics and now he's finding out how nasty and Petty politics is.
they are stopping space x so blue origin launch test does not look so far behind
When von Braun and NASA developed the moon rockets in the 1960s they probably didn't have to wait for approval by another agency before every flight...
And?
@@Felix-no7nxhis point was self explanatory.
What changes are you suggesting should be made if any? What message are you attempting to convey with this comment? Are you a real human?
@@carlmichelsen1230 and?
@@Felix-no7nxI’m sure these agencies are supportive and efficient.
Thank you so much for your great work, dear Marcus! ❤❤❤
A fine saturday it is, great to get some space news 👍
FAA? is that a branch of boeing by any chance!
Will it get off the ground ?
I was so surprised to see part of B11's business end pulled out of the gulf. As they initially said it wouldn't be recovered, I'm really curious what made them change their minds. Thanks for another great update!
So fun to see.
I'd imagine they weren't prepared for the flight being as successful as it was. Maybe if they knew they would've had a proper recovery planned.
Probably because it was mostly in big pieces and shallow enough that they could recover it for some forensic engineering.
Speculation I've seen is it's ITAR related as it was in pretty shallow waters with relative ease (apparently) to find and recover one of those juicy raptors....
It was in only 180 ft of water which is pretty easy recovery in the grand scheme of things. They could have had divers cutting that section with very little problem
why not launch now without a catch attempt and learn in other ways? probably get two up before the catch attempt. plenty of hardware!
FAA would need to approve the new decals.
@@alesh2275 hehe, right?
Call SX, and say you'll pay to repeat a flight just so you can see one. They might be open to the idea.
Let's go!
Any chance that SpaceX destroyed the Stage themselves? as a large floating object with both explosives and fuel would be a hazard to shipping.
Fuel would have boiled off in short order but the dynamite could still have been an issue.
It's sad Elon didn't stay neutral in the political arena. This project is to important to have unnecessary enemies. They have enough already. After the election it might get worse. Settling of scores, hopefully not.
Retribution is coming in January
Some beaurocratic organisations seem to add zero or very little value, at least given the amount of time they waste in doing whatever they do.
And the FAA seems to becoming even better at wasting valuable time.
Also why we have backward fission reactors nobody really wants, sadly the Chinese have no competition in this area and will be selling Thorium Molten Salt Reactors to the whole world in a decade or less, all because of bureaucratic red tape.
I don't want to seem paranoid, but why are the FAA doing everything they can to stop this launch.
It's the obiden regime using all the 3 letter agencies for political retaliation
I think the job of bureaucrats if to invent new ways to apply red tape.
Its only going to get worse with them as they come up with more things to take issue on, eventually nobody will be able to perform iterative R&D.
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Time to fire fire fire.
You guys sound like a hungry mob jesus
@@LeafBoyeyou sound like you approve of the obiden regime using the alphabet agencies for political retaliation
FAA delay excuses are pathetic and obviously politically motivated until after the election. Elon’s new DoGE will certainly take a hard look at the FAA next year. Heads rolling guaranteed! 🎉🎉
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yea dream on.
Insane person ramblings.
@@benjaminrickdonaldson you don’t read anything Elon posts on X, do you? Your woke world is falling apart before your eyes
@jony3775 letting a billionaire choose when we fly and when we don't will be just as bad if not worse than someone we chose to elect
I saw the video of an exploding after landing
Speculation is that the FTS was activated to make sure it sank, and that there wasn't explosives around for obvious reasons. (If your talking about Starship booster from Flt 4).
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Ahhh got confused...earlier was members only
Yep. Ad free versions come out first.
@@MarcusHouse ha not me use a thingy YT hate
Awesome video mate
Thanks very much for your support! Awesome of you.
Why not set up a second launch site on the other side of the Rio Grande in Mexico out of the FAAs reach?
ITAR regulations
Besides the obvious ITAR violations that would incur, The FAA still has rule over all launches for any US company bo matter where they occur. Spacex could launch from New Zealand and they would still have to get FAA approval just like Rocket Lab does now
I can't imagine working for the FAA and not being totally ashamed. Of course no one but a handful of companies seem to take pride in their work anymore, I mean why try when you could just become a government worker and sit on your butt all day.
I imagine people at the FAA are used to irrational fandom, and certainly don't have the time to worry about skippy banging his keyboard on Social Media. They have adult things to do.
I really hope admins change in Nov.
Elon will be in a position to fire them
Figures
Is there any possibility of Mars mission generating any profit that isn’t coming from Government funding which is basically taxpayer funded/government debt?
Thanks Marcus. Great update as always!
So what equal or superior knowledge do the FAA bureaucrats have with regard to rocket science and engineering do they possess in order to lord over SpaceX.... those who can...Do. those who can't...work for the government. 😮😅😢
Was NASA ever held back in its glory day by FAA or anyone? Didn’t Texas and Space X back then figured that being on that spot was going to be a potential dilemma for the environment and its entities. Too much none stop clashing between Elon and God knows who else behind FAA is kinda taking a very personal twist on things. Since this has never stopped, maybe Elon needs to expand Space X to another country or something.
No, NASA and the DoD can issue their own licenses. If both of those organizations won't do it, then the job falls to the FAA.
NASA is a top tier agency, meaning they are not regulated by lower agency's. NASA is a regulator in itself. In fact, NASA has the option to take control of oversite of the Starship program.
@@hawkdsl ….Really? That’s very interesting, I honestly didn’t know NASA has these powers. In such a case, do you think, since there are several NASA contracts with Space X, could NASA step in to evaluate expedite the process of required licenses? Thank you by the way, I learned something new thanks to you.
@@MaxKito2 I don't believe NASA has the ability to issue launch licenses for launches from facilities outside of their control anymore.
@@richardmillhousenixon ……Well if that’s out of the window, One thing I’m observing is that we all my not know each other, but definitely we’re standing together for everyone to succeed and that’s an amazing feeling if I’m honest. I’m in full nerd mode, Thank you.
One of Elon Musk's keys to success has been his willingness to fail.
Unlike NASA, Musk has chosen to continually push the envelope of the possible and try incrrease the tempo of test flights.
The FAA has no business nitpicking flights that do not involve human passengers.
In fact, the more Starhip flights that can occur before manned missions begin, the safer everyone will be.
NASA can't fail, as they have an even worse audience then the SpaceX fandom.
Audio is choppy, cuts in/out, mostly in first 5 - 6 minutes
Anyone else notice?
Audio was clean on my end
19:46 Was that an engine shutdown, or did the warranty period on the engine run out?
To bad Bidens FAA isn't on the ball so this machine can be launched.
Meooooow
I wonder if BO might be in cahoots with the FAA?
So you agree that removing money from politics is necessary.
Blue Origin have got a lot of influence for example they had congress pass laws forcing NASA to buy a second HLS - that was aided by their National Team collaboration with Lockheed martin who are experts at rigging pork barrel projects to get political support.
But probably in this case it's just FAA slowing things up as per the directions of the Biden Harris administration who appear to be silently trying to stall progress.
SpaceX need to keep the pressure on the FAA to expedite the launch licence right now or otherwise the HLS is going to end up being delayed.
They seems to follow the law better anyway. That seems to be the ticket to hassle free operations... AND, they are at a real Space Port (The Cape).
@@hawkdsl BO have never applied for an orbital launch licence because they have never done an orbital launch. !
Don't defund the FAA.
UP THE FUNDING!! The FAA needs more employees but doesn't have the funding! The FAA needs a budget increase.
People saying "defund the FAA and put it in the trash!" are the problem.
yes unfortunatly the FAA have been found out that there not telling the truth ..so someone is pulling the strings at the FAA
Don’t defund the FAA.
Get rid of it wholesale then gather a new team depending on the needs that still remain.
yes! more bureaucracy, more delays!
we need more and more people so everything can be selectively mothballed for even longer!
@@vavra222 how many launches SpaceX does per week? Aren't those launches somehow magically not needing FAA licenses?
Most of the FAA space operation is already used by SpaceX operations.
@@alesh2275 And launch from Time's Square because nobody was around to say 'no'. What could possibly go wrong when you get rid of the FAA? It's all good!
Let's see some version of Starship get to the moon first, then we can talk about missions to Mars in the more distant future! You know...more like 8 to 10 years! And lets get the fucking FAA out of the way! What does the FAA do other than make paperwork and MUCH SLOWER progress???
Leon: we won't reach Mars in my lifetime.
Probably the most truthful thing he's ever said.
They kind of made air travel the safest mode of transportation in all of history. It's a little thing, but there it is.
@@hawkdsl Sooo...the FAA is a bunch of engineers and other smart people making air planes safer and more reliable? They are a government agency! They don't do anything other than fine the crap out pf people! IF that's the same thing as good engineering, then I need to switch to government bureaucracy!
It's political. It's Lawfare.
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If that is true why is there no problem getting neurolink approvals. This is a problem with an out of date agency. No need for conspiracies.
@@martinwoollett8468it doesn’t need a conspiracy, just a couple people in key positions who disagree with Musk getting political. It could be either really.
@@hecanseeme8210 or nether. inventing a story because it fits your bias is not constructive or intelligent.
People have become spoilt.
Come on Marcus. You’re days behind. Love the channel though. You rock
The Obiden regime is just embarrassing at this point
I wonder if Elon Musk stayed out of politics whether he would have more people onside with his battles against the FAA?
I do wish he'd stick to things he knows about. I find his political views rather juvenile.
His political help is just as needed as his other endeavors.
There is no one seriously arguing that SpaceX needs more focus on safety, SpaceX is the safest space company, bar none.
Possibly, however there isn't really such a thing as being apolitical when you're running the largest spaceflight contractor ever to exist in human history. You have to do business with multiple governments, deal with regulators in the US government, and unfortunately due to how extremely partisan and corrupt the US government itself has become I imagine the pressure to side with one faction or another is immense.
I think if Elon had played everything nicer with the current administration, he might have dealt with less malicious regulation and coordinated lawfare from activist groups, but overall things would have still ended up getting bogged down. The thing is, the US government mostly throws it's weight behind existing monopolies, in spite of their extreme inefficiency.
In the end I don't really think he's catching flak because of his personal politics, his companies are being pressured because they threaten to disrupt existing government-supported monopolies on extremely valuable services like battery manufacture, portions of the automotive industry, and government space contracts.
In very short, he could either play nice with entrenched monopolists or he could move to expand his businesses quickly and efficiently but catch a lot of not-so-subtly government backed opposition.
@@disorganizedorgElon knows what he’s talking about about because he’s had to immigrate to America and it is immigrants who know better how fragile the freedoms of the US are, certainly better than the brainwashed homegrowns.
Regarding the Booster 4 soft splashdown, what are SpaceX hiding about what happened? They claim to be quite open about most of their operations, so why all of the opaqueness regarding the booster explosion?
Because it was unremarkable and an anticipated result of the booster falling over?
Does it matter? They don't have to share a single thing with the public if they don't want.
The plan was to trigger the abort explosives to facilitate sinking. Is this not what happened?
Space X Starships to Mars will never happen
How about trying to land a Starship on Venus? Can't hurt to try.
The FAA would be more efficient if it were dismantled.
Regulatory agency's are always between a rock and a hard place. They are political footballs, and they get yelled at by morons, IQ inadequacy types, and the industries they are responsible for. Let me ask you a question: If a booster crashes in Port Isabel, what do you think the story is going to be? That the FAA is holding up SpaceX?
Hey, hey. How many of Elon's robots will accompany the First Fleet to Mars?
What the F you talking about? They don’t even know how they get to mars, how should they know how much equipment they would need? 🤦♂️
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