How has Brexit changed the UK?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 พ.ย. 2022
- A 2016 referendum in Britain irrevocably changed the future of the UK. With the country heading into a recession, Britons are examining the actual consequences of leaving the EU.
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Femi Oluwole
Co-founder of advocacy group Our Future Our Choice
Ben Habib
Chairperson of Brexit Watch
David Henig
UK Director of ECIPE
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3 years on, British still talk about Brexit. In the meantime, the EU moved on and turns out, it doesn't really need Britain.
You are totally right but obviously a lot of Brits thought that they were more important than they actually were.😅
But as a whole, the EU would be even stronger had the UK stayed. But the UK is just left in ruins so to speak, while the EU continues to go about it's business. I am sure it is harder to get product and people into the UK then it was before. But again the EU has the rest of EU to trade and visit, the UK has no one in that regards.
I can appreciate their willingness to stand alone, but not their shortsightedness and straight up lies to it's people. Even children know fundamental math and common sense situations. You can not leave your friends and still be expected to have all the benefits you had before. 😂
It`s only the turds that still go on about it.
The E.U don't need the UK/ Britain but the UK needs the E.U British people need to stop trying to diversify themselves, They are the same person from Penzance to Scotland. They can't do anything on a large scale such as build cars, manage business infrastructure, generate income/profit
Who the f*ck put great in their name. Such self entitled people 🤦🏻♂️
The UK. The country that imposed sanctions...on itself 😐
The UK is not a country.
Yes, by giving away fishing to the traitorous French and not applying sanctions to French food and wine. We should have left Germany running France after WW2, after all they run it now as part of the 4th Reich.
@@cleess2836 doesn't matter what is it, they voted to turn themselves into beggars.
@@cleess2836 'The UK is not a country'. Correct, it is a basket case!
The Scottish and Northern Irish people voted to stay in the EU.
The Scottish people were forced out of the EU by Westminster which has 533 English MPs and Northern Ireland was allowed to stay in the EU that gives them access to the EU single market.
As a happy EU citizen I am happy with Brexit, for many years I have felt that the UK in the EU was bad for the EU. Always acted difficult in a sometimes childish way, you know the 'Farage way'
We can only apologise for that pompous bumptious insufferable moronic racist.
For as long as I can remember the Britts were always waisting energy.
I'm not happy about Brexit because I'm retired in España. my uk generated pensions are subject to the rate of exchange, perhaps freezing. Since 2016 the rates have been terrible...they hover around 1.10-16€ nothing like the pre-brexit value....For all brits in similar circumstances Brexit is a deserter...Plus there is no telling what a British Government will legislate in the future....Brexiteers shot themselves in the foot when they thought that freedom of movement and all that went with that didn't apply to them......they screwed it for everyone..
@@brianperry, If the UK is so terrible, why do many, many thousands of people travel through so many EU countries in order to get themselves established in Britain, legally or illegally? Is someone out there spreading untruths?
@@brianperry i pains me to see the uk in this position. on the other hand one can not say they where warned about the consequences. they shot themselfs in both feet this time.
it s only bad when the eu has rules, if the us has similar rules its fine. even president biden has said if the good friday accord isaltered no deal with the us will be possible.
As soon as the Brits heard that Trump supported Brexit they should have recoiled in horror.
lol
Biden’s helping a lot too! He just said, “No, deal.” Our own corrupt president.
The brexit they wanted was all the advantages of being in the EU without any of the obligations.
Exactly, complete delusional thinking!
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So true 👍
English exceptionalism for the gammons 🤣🤣🤣
@@childoftheuniverse2644 Racist.
It had the advantage of not being part of the 4th Reich.
Biggest mistake in our history to leave eu
Hello
And colonisation
Dividing up the middle East and Ireland
@@toyotaprius79 am Leonard from Dublin what about you
Best thing the UK did. Shouldn't of joined in the first place.
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Ben Habib seems to have missed that the purpose of the EU was to reduce regulations by agreeing a common set of rules. He wants a world where all the rules are in the UK's favour, missing the fact that other countries have to agree to them for them to work. He wants a win lose dynamic with our trading partners when only a win win compromise is possible.
Conned again Mat. We never left the EU. Notice FOM is unchanged.Notice we pay more into,EU budget this year than any OTHER PREVIOUS YEAR!! However as a Tory troll I suppose you are paid not to,admit the truth.
@@LouDeeCruz You are confused in 5 different directions. FOM ended Jan 1, 2021. Easy to test that...just try working in the EU without a visa. We are paying the EU all the cash we owe them. Including for deals we previously agreed to as a member. So we will be paying them all the way in to the 2060s. Critics of Brexit did say this would happen. I don't think that is a Tory position to hold. The torys try to pedal the idea brexit is fine. Not sure what truth you want. But truth is, the Torys lied that brexit would be good. Continue to lie that it's going well. Completely ignore the thousands of issues it has caused.
@@1mlister It is you who are confused. FOM didn’t end on jan 2021. And you can’t prove it either. Notice the same rules for travel in EU for EU citizens are the same as the current fake brexit rules for UK citizens. Notice both UK and EU citizens only have 3 months visa free travel in EU...after which both have to apply for a work permit and prove they can support themselves. Even EU citizens can’t work in another EU country without permission or a visa. Just like Brits now.
Matt was Conned again by Boris. And you just admitted it!! We pay more this year than ever!! But you forgot Matt...Boris said in 2021 we would pay 8 billion to EU,,and in 2022 he said only 5 billion. NOTICE MATT...that in 2022 we had to pay the full 13 billion to EU. The same amount we would have owed if we were officially EU members. BINO for fools.
That was the EEC - not the EU.
The EU is a political union forced upon member states in the 90s. I say forced as its constitution, its creation from the EEC was voted down by both the French and Dutch. They were ignored, a new constitution drawn up (same as before mostly but now a different name, the Lisbon Treaty) and that was not given to the French and Dutch to vote on.
The Irish did and they too voted 'NO'! They were ordered to vote again.
@@eddieingalls534 Yes, despite pretending to be anti EU.thatcher , major (with help from the Tory stooge Blair) forced it on UK. And when they held a referendum to stop losing to lefty milliband in 2015 (because UKIP split Tory vote) Cam promised a ref. It was non binding to con Matt and other brit fools 😂Which is why we never really left the EU,...but Tory HQ went to great extremes to pretend we had left to con low IQ racist brits into voting for Boris...the eurofanatic .
Ben Habib is living in an alternate reality where Great Britain still has a vast empire for us to magically return to
Isn't it funny that the biggest Brexiteers are 1st or 2nd generation sub-continent & Eastern European immigrants....🤔🤔🤔
@@suzilouden5964 it is actually
The UK can be like the USA? WTF? Do the have the resources of the USA? These guys are just delusional! Sometimes you wonder...
Yes, that is the main trouble with the Little English. They now have to bow to the rules of 198 nations and they hate it.
So are many other bozos. Unfortunately, a lot of them are in the cabinet.
An excellent discussion, brilliantly presented. Well done, TRT.
Ben Habib: "Ackshually, it's not that Brexit has failed, you see, it's because we haven't had *true* Brexit yet!" Dude sounds like every ideologue trying to explain away the failure of their pet theory.
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Why does he (Ben Habib) think de-regulating the UK and then we will have the ability to match any trade deal, that will have regulations, and that will always be in our favour?? As if we are the 'always more powerful' entity?? Thats crackers, we are not the USA, the post Brexit trade deals demonstrate the flaw in his thinking, we are not the 'exceptional' and now released from the EU country to show it! We are the weaker as a Third Country status country, and its that which shows!!!
I have heard him say, early on in the post-Brexit mess that we should "punch the EU on the nose"!!! That demonstrates how little he really understands the reality of now isolated Third Country status UK in its dealings with the EU, the Australians etc.
you dont understand why people voted FOR Brexit and you dont ( want to ) understand the obvious reasons why. Much easier to invent your own reasons and then you can mock from a point of ignorance and the only people that impresses are the other sheep like you.
Its not "failed" because it hasn't even STARTED yet.
You ARE in for a big surprise when it DOES 😊
@@philiproscoe2968 They were lied to in spades, all this remember:
"There will be no downside to Brexit, only a considerable upside" David Davis FALSE
“The free trade agreement we will have to do should be one of the easiest in human history.” Liam Fox FALSE
“The day after we vote to leave, we hold all the cards and we can choose the path we want.” Michael Gove FALSE
“There will continue to be free trade and access to the single market” Boris Johnson UNDELIVERED
“Not a single job would be lost because of Brexit.” Lord Digby Jones FALSE
"Getting out of the EU can be quick and easy - the UK holds most of the cards John Redwood " FALSE
”We will maintain a free flowing border at Dover. We will not impose checks in the port. The only reason we would have queues at the border is if we put in place restrictions that created those queues. We are not going to do that.” Chris Grayling WE ARE SIMPLY WAVING EU IMPORTS IN IF WE DID NOT THEN WE WOULD START TO STARVE AS AT LEAST 30% OF UK FOOD SUPPLY IS FROM EUROPE
“Absolutely nobody is talking about threatening our place in the single market.” Daniel Hannan UNDELIVERED
“If Brexit is a disaster, I will go and live abroad. I'll go and live somewhere else.” Nigel Farage HE SHOULD NOW GO
“Britain will have access to the single market after we vote Leave.” “The idea that our trade will suffer... is silly.” “Let’s give our NHS the £350m the EU takes every week.” “we would immediately be able to start negotiating new trade deals with emerging economies and the world’s biggest economies which could enter into force immediately after the UK leaves the EU.” Vote Leave A UNDELIVERED, a FASLE and a LIE
Brexit has failed against every metric it promised, including immigration, and they lied about that as well, in the EU there are regulations to control FoM IF you implement them, the UK didn't! Why? Because the government knew immigration was valuable to the UK's success!!
Brexit not started yet!!!!! We left in 2020, and therefore it most defiantly has started, and the Covid 19 camouflage is no longer effective!! Or are you of Rees Mogg's persuasion, it will be 50 years before the opportunities of Brexit express themselves, he most defiantly was not saying that in 2016!
People who use the word "dude" should be seen (and then only rarely) but not heard.
There has been no Brexit. If ypu understood Parliament at all you would know that. Very few people do understand it, even fewer admit they font understand it and none of consequence challenge it's illegal rule.
If you think a body with a centuries old antipathy towards the people it rules and which provided a self-proclaimed announcement they would not allow Brexit (openly declared in 2016) immediately after the referendum and fought over 4 separate votes to deny it, was ever is going to allow Brexit to happen you are as big an idiot as your comment comes over. And that's very big indeed.
Someone should sit you down with a English history book and deliver the main points with a two by four to the back of your head to ensure the lesson gets home.
Parliament is not democratic, it never has been. Parliament is not even pro English or pro British. Parliament is pro Parliament and whoever buys them.
That's as true today as it was in 1215, 1649, 1688 or any other year you embarrasing dummy.
Brexit the gift that never stops taking.
The best comment ever ! LOL
I'm on an american travel passport.
I was once told ''Arrogance only gets you so far''.
This statement couldn't be more accurate with Brexit.
Cheers. I'm nicking that. I will be using it in a work setting soon as it aptly describes the failure of one my cretinous managers.
@@PORRRIDGE_GUN that's exactly what I have been doing in the past. Works magic
In German, there is another phrase, “Hochmut kommt vor dem Fall”, or, in English “arrogance comes before the fall”. I think Britain is just about to end the first of these two stages…
I grew up watching WALLACE and GROMIT.
Habib is a brilliant example of the people who pushed hardest for Brexit, Hannan, Farage and yes Habib himself, had absolutely no power to deliver it, and now carp from the sidelines.
There was nothing desirable to deliver
They snipe from the sidelines and carp from the shallows.
Unfortunately people with no money listened to people with all the money that were quite well off and had nothing to loose. Nigel Farragh is doing quite well on his E.U. pension given to him by an organization that he didn't believe should exist. Immigration is at record levels despite the promises. The NHS is a mess and everything people were told that they'd benefit from has not materialized. Like they couldn't figure out that they were being lied to. We deserve exactly what we get for thinking that we are somehow superior to other nations and don't need them.
I should imagine that swing parks and the rate of knots the EU were allegedly closing them has been affected, mibee the daily mail or the sun would have some evidence on that , then again perhaps not
Wrong!
You should never allow others to make decisions who have nothing to lose if they are wrong.
Spot on...jt
"Unfortunately people with no money listened to people with all the money that were quite well off and had nothing to loose." There you have the whole history of the working class in Europe since 1922.
The pound was valued at US$ 1.50 in June 2016 at the date of the Brexit referendum. Today the pound is US$ 1.19, a currency depreciation of 21%. Thanks, Messrs Farage and Hannan.
That is interesting,thanks
If you take into account other factors the economic losses may be even greater...
Those 31 cents do not properly reflect the absolute shitstorm the UK is in right now
You can not blame farage and his cronies. People had to believe the lies. So their ignorance allowed them to pursue the cake and eat it mantra. Is like trump and his wall and the Mexicans will pay for it. The Mexicans or any human with integrity can accept this drivel. Is so disrespectful rectoric. Why not try to get along with your neighbours. Nationalism does not work in the global community. Is short sighted and stupid but unfortunately alot of people are short sighted and stupid and believe anything.
@@distantraveller9876 I'm old enough to remeber when it 4 bucks to the quid. My mum remembers when it was 7!
I left UK after 15 years before Brexit in part because I saw an increasing hostile attitude against European. I never thought Brexit would have a referendum but when done I thought it had a chance as I saw many people blaming foreigners. I am very sad that happen and as I was working in the health sector I saw poverty and I am almost crying when old friends are telling me poverty is on the rise.
Everyone blame the minorities even though they usually do not make enough people in the country to be the ones at fault. Meanwhile I have seen plenty of the British people themselves abuse the social systems that GB has to help people. But instead looking at the enire picture it is easy to blame the immigrants who are doing the most laboring jobs for very little money. Let us blame the man off the boat who is working in the shipping yards instead of the people who are actually making the decision that actually matter.
unfortunately people will always blame the poor and immigrants 😟
@@sodakk17
Sadly it is easier and more convenient for many to blame immigrants and refugees for the national woes. They are blamed for housing shortages, draining the NHS, bleeding us of social security.
We have a housing shortage because of deliberate underinvestment in housing since the 70’s . Funding of the NHS and staff levels have more effects on waiting lists than immigrants. As for Social security, it’s easier to blame the cost of feeding and housing immigrants a drop in the ocean less than 1 % when compared to the cost to the country of benefit fraud, housing fraud, tax evasion, tax avoidance to name just 4. Far easier to blame immigrants
So they made an already bad situation worse.
True .I Used to work 12hrs shifts at home care ,(no benefits), my husband 12hrs also. No benefits till pandemic.I heard one of my British colleague say how disgusting was a lot of foreign people getting benefits..but the most of staff there wasn't British.(so ,we are no taking locals jobs ) and almost foreign my circle doesn't take any benefits.. But I understand that British are not comfortable with immigration there.I'm very grateful for the opportunity and experience..I'm out uk 2 years now,happy to back home and missing UK also.
Ben Habib and all Brexiters live in a parallel reality.
Hello
you dont understand why people voted FOR Brexit and you dont ( want to ) understand the obvious reasons why. Much easier to invent your own reasons and then you can mock from a point of ignorance and the only people that impresses are the other sheep like you.
@@philiproscoe2968 I know many people who voted leave, 65% did so where I live: one voted leave "to stop black people from coming into the country", another one voted leave as he was upset "at the EU imposed banana and strawberry regulations", most other ones I personally know voted leave to stop all kinds of immigration, for which they squarely and solely blamed the EU. Some said the EU was Germany's fourth reich. Despite what you say, the vast majority of voters had no idea about the EU at all, aside from they heard from the likes of Habib, Farage, Johnson and the right wing rags. The most Googled search in the UK the day after the referendum was "what is the EU". Talk about sheep...The negotiations with the EU proved that even our politicians had absolutely no idea what the EU was all about, hence the "we hold all the cards" and "cake" mentality, which was proved wrong at every step of the way, starting on day one.
So does anyone who thinks that the rest of Europe is doing well.
I'm irish, we're in the European Union, and people are leaving my country, and going to Britain in order to find decent wurk and wages.
@@kingflixmovies837 Covid and the war in the Ukraine is hurting everyone off course, but if Ireland left the EU there would be many more people going elsewhere for work. Ireland has done very well for itself by being the EU, you must know that. Ireland is much stronger as a member, like all member states are, it allows them to punch above their weight. That is just one of the many things Britain has lost by exiting the EU in such a hard way.
How can any opportunities ever emerge from erecting trade barriers with your closest neighbours?
you can make fantastic deals with japan,Norway Island and all the rest of the world so just have at it
@@perirgensolsson3673 When there is a united block of countries at the other side of the channel...think about the priorities of Japan and the rest of the world...unfortunately that is the reality
@@perirgensolsson3673 Where's Norway Island?
@@chriskost7291 Personally ive never ordered anything from Japan, but i consistently order from EU countries as i live in France. The UK became next to useless as a supplier after the transition period ended.
@@adambrickley1119 Makes sense!! That is the case!
Brexit has been a great success, just not for the UK. Belgium, France, Germany, Ireland, the Netherlands and Luxembourg have all experienced huge flows of inward investment. The French stock market has gone from half the size of the UK's to larger than the UK's. European countries have also strengthened economic co-operation between themselves, and the Bloc's engine is running better than ever in the absence of the UK. There is also the mismanagement factor of the government in the UK to deal with as well
Germany, Italy, Belgium, Netherlands all have higher inflation than the UK. They all didn’t give as much during the pandemic, to it's citizens and they all are lacking tens of thousands of workers, because after the pandemic many people changed their careers.
The agenda is to blame Brexit, but the reality is, most EU countries have worst problems than the UK, but they blame the pandemic and war. The people with an agenda in the UK, who never respected the democratic decision to leave the EU, blame Brexit.
@@SM-co3bv No, my friend, you are incorrect, the loss of European trade is felt each year, and like reverse interest, it has a cumulative effect. Brexit was built on lies and racism, where is David Frost now that the economy is slumping and living standards falling? Where is Johnson, Farage et al? Gone, Rees-Mogg transferred his family business to Ireland the day after the Brexit referendum to take advantage of EU financial passporting to be able to trade in all 27 member countries. Extremism, racism, and stupidity have left the UK is a hole that it will not get out of, well done the Brexiteers. There are no magic fixes, just years of decline ahead...
@@leoesharkey1
So tell us why Germany, Holland , Belgium, Italy and many other EU countries have higher inflation than the UK and didn't receive as much help as the UK gave to it's citizens during the pandemic?
TRASH
Who would have thought of that benefit. In Spain there were talks about Europe and now everyone is in favour. Thanks elderly englismen
Brexit is like a man taking off round wheels on his car and putting on square wheels and saying" look they are better at stopping, but the car can not move."
Ben Habib represents a pass generation that would selfishly stand up for their failed idealogies, and provides no vision, space, nor empathy for the future generations of this country.
Ben: You/we have messed it up, LET IT GO! Give the young people of this country a chance, a genuine opportunity to find solutions for the challenges that we have saddled them with.
Brexit never promised anything other than ethnic nationalism. To pretend otherwise is either disenguous or plain stupid.
You forgot the most important which is promoting tax evasion and money laundering.
Correct Kermit Lol 😆😂🤣😂
@@franciscouderq1100 for the elite cabalocrats 🤣😂😆
How's the re-join campaign going?
@@JwayT How's the queue at the food bank? 😂😂🖕🏿🖕🏿
All true. We benefit from this situation and the remaining 27 countries work together much more closely. And the second bonus in The Netherlands is that politicians look at the UK and do not dare to speak about a Nexit any longer.
Same in France... Even extra right wing parties do not dare to take about it as they learnt a lot from Brexit. No Credit in sight
UK is like Jesus. They sacrificed themselves to save us all.
As a Brit reliant on homegrown commentary and media bias it was really refreshing to find a debate chaired by a well informed and unbiased reporter for a change. Thank you.
Try Double Down News and Novara Media.
As in Hungary the remnant independent media (2-3% of the whole media market) looks up to BBC, I was really surprised how biased the BBC was in favour of Brexit, but in general the Fascists
My thoughts exactly 💯
I do believe she was unbiased as well, was really difficult for her to hold the laugh back(which isn't surprising at all)!
Uk's current gdp is still at 2019 level. It's the only European country whose gdp hasn't recovered. Even poor countries like Romania have and on top of that it's the only European country in a recession. It's neighboring country the Netherlands, who brexiteers claimed would be hit the hardest by brexit, grew by 3% in the last quarter alone. Brexit was a scam.
Yes of course.
The EU has the euro which cannot work and the UK needs class war and degrowth.
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@@yellowgreen5229 What does the U.K. need that for ?
i don't think Brexit was a scam, it was a child of stupid people who made fortunes out of it.
Unfortunatly in a democratic system stupid people should have their politicians too.
It's not a big deal if they are in minority, but now we have a problem.
Why do you think brexit had anything to do with finances. It was a political choice. Continental government or not. If we pay a cost for that so what.
We need more competent journalists and less Murdock bollocks.
Hello
spot on
Isn’t Britain really ruled by Murdock? Britain and America have Murdock in common. Look at the parallels.
@@bcent5758 hi
You learn at uni how it's supposed to work and then on day 1 of employment in Journalism you are told 'yeah, that's not how it works here if you want to stay employed'
Britain's decline after Brexit is astonishing.
Let's admitt that Brexit wasnt about regulations. It was about reluctance towards people from central and eastern Europe.
It was about wealthy tax dodgers not wanting to pay tax. The EU has clamped down on tax dodging
Really, have you been to the UK lately.
Juncker "there can be no democratic choice against the eu treaties" the best three words to describe a dictatorship ,,,,, NO DEMOCRATIC CHOICE. Why have two tiers of corrupt politicians when one is easier to control.
In the meantime, Eastern and Central Europeans have mostly left, because their economies are about to catch up with the British one.
how can you say Brexit is bad ? Bankers bonus caps have been removed and soon employees could be losing their holiday and sick pay - job done for the disaster capitalists
Who is proposing workers losing holiday?
Why did you need EU involvement in these areas?
- I want employment rights of X
- UK public don't vote for parties propodjng X
- Unacceptable. I must have my own way
- Therefore I want foreign countries to overrule the UK voters
@@danielwebb8402 Rees Mogg who was behind scrapping ALL EU regulation has publicly spoken about why should employees get holiday pay . He would re-open the workhouse if he had he's way . But you are right that the British Public will vote them out , Mogg is just to stupid and arrogant to care
@@scottb32a
A pay model of "You get 116 on days you only actually work rather than 100 including those you don't" assuming 25 days holiday, 8 Bank Holidays, 5 sick would be income neutral for the individual and transparent.
If was Tory policy, and they won an election then fair enough. But it isn't Tory or anyone else's policy.
@@danielwebb8402 I must have imagined the civil service contract I was asked to sign on promotion, which took away 5 days paid leave and expected me to work an extra hour a week, so effectively meaning I paid for my own pay rise. Lucky I didn't sign it and lucky a class action tribunal deemed them to be unlawful, because you can't treat established CS as new entrants just because you have promoted them and moved them to a new office. And this happned BEFORE brexit. Even the CS don't play with a straight bat anymore. Everyone is in a race to the bottom.
@@PORRRIDGE_GUN
Or you resign and walk into a job with conditions you find acceptable.
Even supermarket workers have had multiple mid year payrises the past 18 months. As job market works. Remember all the lorry drivers getting big pay rises? Because job market works.
If your skills and experience are worth less to the world than they were, then...
If they aren't. You'll be able to walk into another job on pay and conditions you do find acceptable.
Brexit big big mistake. Very sad and as for Habib he is not of this planet!
Hello
I don't even thinks he's on the same country as you.
@@putra4101 hello
Watching this debate from Italy. I can safely say that - following brexit and its aftermath - anti-EU sentiments here have cooled down considerably.
Yeah.. and I wonder who is The Daily Mirror writing about these days if not about "Bloody emigrants" (meaning also me at that time)
@@joannaxxx7791 keep wondering
@@triumphbobberbiker I won't.. don't care any more :)
Why our problems have very little to do with brexit but a party in power not to many of us can stand,brexit is just something they like to hide behind, if its so bad why are so many of you living here although some of the Italians are really Albanians i know because they told me so.
@@davidmcintyre998 David, I have so much respect for your country. You are so much more refined, well organised, more kind to each other. I wish my country, in where I live now, was more like yours. I miss many things since when I am back. But you can't spit on people and expect them to smile and work for you. Example? Here you are. Pls tell me what do I have to do with Albanians claiming to be Italians? And no, as I said, I dont live there aby more. And we aren not one bunch of cheaters as you are trying to say.
So Ben didn't get the Brexit he wanted. That's the problem, everyone knew what Remain was, but not every Leave voter voted for the same type of Leave. There never was a majority for a single type of Leave, that's why the leavers were vague and contradictory. As soon as anyone tried to define it, it turned out that most leavers didn't want it either. An informed vote on a single defined Brexit should have been held. Of course Leave would have never "won" if they had defined it. As such we all lost.
Separatist groups like the Brexiteers will always have an advantage by arguing for some imaginary future that will profit everyone without cost while not having to prove anything, while the defenders of the Status Quo can only defend on the basis of what exists now which will have its own obvious failures. When separation fails as with any ideology the ideologues will claim you have failed to follow the ideology far enough. This what the separatists in Quebec did claiming essentially they could retain all the benefits of the confederation while being in an even better position to extract consesions from Canada tried and they only failed by a small margin. They even claimed that Canada would protect their dairy industry in the Canadian market if they separated and they could not only retain the Canadian dollar but they would have 50% of the say on how it would be managed. When they succeed in the divorce they whine about how bad the other side is like someone who demanded a divorce and is now complaining about losing bedroom privilges.
David Cameron is going to go down in history as the man who gambled the future of his country to save his party a little trouble and lost. He opened Pandora's box and empowered the bigoted demons that are destroying the United Kingdom.
Much like with any other religion. You have a skeleton and can dress it up any way you want and help yourself avoid responsibility.
5 prime ministers in 6 years, that's like what happens only in poor corrupt countries...
This country is less poor but more corrupt.
@@peterebel7899 If it was poorer it would likely be less corrupt. Can't steal from people who have nothing, but you can murder them.
@@PORRRIDGE_GUN So you are proud to be rich?
This is about to change.
@Peter Ebel No and I didn't say that. Are you sure you meant to say that?
@@PORRRIDGE_GUN The whole thread is about countries.
I was referring to Britain as country not you as person.
Ben Habib doesn't even understand reality when it hits him in the face. His laugh interruptions are both rude and so annoying.
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I would feel more pity for the people of the U.K. dealing with Brexit had they not A) voted for it, and B) voted Boris Johnson a majority, despite warnings from reasonable people.
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@@patrickjohncunningham2197 what about Wales?
To be fair only 37% of the electorate voted Leave, versus 35%. 28% didn't vote. And given how undefined Leave was, they didn't all vote for the same thing. We had Farage ranting on how rich and free Norway was outside of the EU before the vote. Now many Leavers say a Norway deal is really Remaining. As for voting in Johnson, I agree, I shudder to think how anyone would. But we have First Past the Post, which masks the will of the people. The majority of actual votes in that election went to Remain and second referendum supporting parties, as compared to Leave parties.
@David Maxfield the "UK peop!e" did not vote Boris in! That is precisely Delhi's point.
Sorry, Femmi's (bloody autocorrect).
Proud to be European 😊
Europe is also doomed. US would never allow Europe to grow too strong. This is the reality.
1 year later …
US/Canada/Mexico: Hi, Eu. Anything new?
EU: Just routine trade deals and seeing the Euro increase.
US/Canada/Mexico: Cool. Say, ‘hi’ to your neighbor (England).
EU: We will. They are sick, but we will relay the message.
Ben didn't get the brexit he wanted, but he doesn't know what he wanted. Cakeism, exceptionalism in action.
Stupiduty in action!
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@@leonardcohen4027 sail on sail on o mighty ship of state
Am Leonard from Dublin I want to know if you are familiar with binary investments
Its not scam do you know you can make more than $8000 through binary investments
Ben Habib lives in an alternative world created by his mind which he mixed up with the reality.
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You are so right 👍👍👍👍
@@f.fromme1988 can we have a brief conversation
My bet is that, in 20 years time, the UK will apply to re-enter the EU: with no rebate, no opt-out, and with the Euro. And they will also need to properly learn usage of the metric system and stop driving on the wrong side of the road!
There is a total of 43 countries that drive on the left not all are Commonwealth countries (Japan for instance)! I’m finding it hard to believe the UK will last that long and will find it very,very hard to be accepted back into the EU after endearing themselves to so many who live there. They had to wait for one Frenchman to die last time to get accepted into the EEC, it’s a lot harder with 27.
The left side comes from the knights who had to hold their lance or sword in their right hand, so it's not such a stupid idea.
@@wilmamaincoonie you have a lance on your car ?
I think the world will be a very different place then, because of climate change. I think there's a good chance that western society will have collapsed entirely. I sincerely hope I'm wrong.
@@wilmamaincoonie why are the french and the germans driving on the right side? Knights as well, even more than the british.
The Brexit show is a perfect demonstration of the power of "democracy:" people are entitled to cast a vote without thinking beyond the action of casting a vote.
Same thinking here .
You're absolutely right. A democracy is unable to function when voters are thicker than bricks.
If the UK was truly democratic brexit would never have happened. Any country that still uses first past the post is not democratic.
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The referendum was a simple majority vote.
It has nothing to do with how they form their parliament.
I'd argue though that because Scotland and NI voted against Brexit it shouldn't have happened.
ERMMM.......it was a "yes/no" option, so "first past the post" as you say it, does not apply. You need a min of 3 choices to have a "first past the post" scenario.
Its first to 51% in a 2 horse race !!!!
@@philiproscoe2968 the point is we would never have had a referendum in the first place with proportional representation. Tories and UKIP were the only ones that wanted to ask the public or exit the EU. With PR the Tories would never get a majority government, it would be a coalition that of course the Tories do not like so they like FPTP. The last coalition we had was Tories and lib dem. The lib Dems would not agree to a refendum. What other party apart from UKIP would agree to that.
@@David-bi6lf hello
One of the biggest fallacy’s was presuming Britain would stand taller as a single country rather then being one of the leading powers within a united europe.
The world is interconnected and there’s no such thing as true independence as we all work within given rules.
A large proportion of the EU laws were actually devised by the UK; the Irish issue was “resolved” by the concept of an EU and the open border making it a separation acceptable to the powers that be; a united EU, with the UK at the helm with former foes France and Germany, is a great counterpoint to the Other large powers: USA, China and a blossoming India… let’s not even begin to talk about the economic strength a united EU brings.
I’m a dual national English/German and love both countries and as a financial futures broker, who was involved in the markets since the early 90’s, have seen how the closer economic and social connection benefitted all and sundry. Such a tragedy that brexit occurred which harmed the UK and the peoples all over Europe.
Ignorance pays a hefty price.
Thank you so much for your words. As a psychologist and psychotherapist I don't know much about economics. But I can say that complex systems are stronger, healthier and generally have higher capacities for action when the parts of these systems work together. That's a general systems theory rule.
@@HowToKillYourself thanks for ur comment. Talking of psychology… flag waving of the Union Jack was used as one of the tools to instill a vote for Britain and stirring up feelings of “standing alone against the foe” and thus being unpatriotic if voting to remain.
The EU isn’t perfect and there are quite a few things that need change. However changing from within has always been a better choice then sitting on the outside as a 3rd country. Why stop at the EU, why not leave NATO or any one of the many 100s of alliances that make a small little country part of a greater group. The UK had a pivotal place within the EU and had any number of special deals that had been worked out, with the UKs help, over the past 80 years and thrown asunder due to local concerns of the conservatives losing votes to the far right. The far right was just that that England fought so valiantly against during WW2.
Things will literally get worse as the UK, as do all the g20, will see the combination of lower birth rates and the demographic shift lead to crisis levels of understaffing by 2030.
Back in the early 2000s my bank did a study on how Germany needs at least 8 million immigrants by 2030 to keep the pension system and Labour requirements at a functional level. That’s why they accepted 1 million Syrians and now a similar amount of Ukrainians. Immigration is a difficult political subject and the crisis that required massive refugee movements made the immigration politically viable.
People need to understand the bigger picture and not just look to the edge of their own personal soup bowl.
The UK is better off without being in the EU, long term it will show.
@@chilesauce7248 indeed… however I don’t really see any benefits over the next 10 years
@@chilesauce7248 long term there is no UK 1🏴🏴
Why would any sane person invest or trade with a country that has stiff trade tariffs, stringent foreign worker rules, combative international politics and an air of superiority?
Brexiters as ever deflect and point at anything and everything except the blindingly obvious.... leaving the biggest trading group on the planet was just plain stupid.
allowing foreigners to set policies that did not benefit the UK in any way, you are another who confuses membership and access.
GB has leave the EU without a plan how to run the country without your neighbours. GB came in the EU because only for economic reasons. Iam so glad that we get rid of Farage out of the parliament, and also GB with their big mouth trying to implement their rules in the EU. I am so glad to be in the EU, my water, food and also the workers are safe. So long as GB thinks they are an important country, they can not be in the EU, or in the SM and CU. In Europe we allready forgotten brexit and are moving forwards. And if they wanted to be in the EU as a member, not on the same conditions as before. The Euro financials have to stay in the mainland forever. And we dont want GB back if it is only for economic reasons like before.
Yes I am afraid to say you are better without us,/
But please just give a thought for our young,
Who could have lived worked studied and loved in the 27 ,
There lives will be blighted for a generation ,
Exactly. The EU hasn't cared about brexit for years. They're too busy trading and doing business with each other and other countries outside the EU and as I have said before the EU doesn't want the UK back. It was a luke-warm participant at best and the EU would have to be insane to let those idiots back in.
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@@raymondwebb4179 I think loved was a typo but then again, lived and loved in the EU are both 100% valid.
I hold my highest contempt and most vile thoughts towards all the utter cretins who thought their xenophobia and poor education, have destroyed so much for all.
@@djtaylorutube studied worked lived and loved in the 27 , countries, stolen of the broader future by people who
Really didn’t know what was at stake, when they put that cross in the wrong box ? It really is a disaster for the young? All the best RW
Nigel said they won’t be a 3rd country lol.. that’s exactly what happened
Maybe I am wrong but I thought one of the underlying premises of Brexit was to combat immigration from "undesirable" countries whatever that might mean. But most immigration came from Commonwealth countries and not from EU countries. The UK is out of the EU, but still part of the Commonwealth. So what exactly was achieved?
I think it’s their hatred of Eastern Europeans.
Nothing, it's fked the country in the name of made up nostalgia
Blue Passports! (Printed in Poland by a Dutch-French company)
Comparing your laughable Commonwealth with the Power of the EU economical and politically is hilarious. But anyway you Brits showed the world how to shoot yourself in the arse with a unloaded rifle, while sitting on the Throne and taking a sh..... 👍
I don’t get why - but it looks like Brits hate Eastern Europeans and are OK with Pakistanis and similar immigrants. Is here anybody who can plain or put some light on it? Is it just my wrong impression?
There are no queues of people to go to the UK. They can work in the EU.
There are definitely queues of people from the EU who want to come to the U.K. and vice verse.
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It’s not just about employment, but the loss of freedom which Brits enjoyed as part of the EU to work and travel within the EU for as long as they wanted.
The UK has record low unemployment levels at 3.5%, check out the likes of Spain, Italy, Germany, Greece etc - high unemployment and a lack of jobs, I would rather be in the UK which has plenty jobs available no it is outside the EU than in the EU with no jobs.
@@californiadreamin8423 That was great for the other 27 EU members who used the UK as a job store but it was actually bad for the UK as the access to cheap labour drove down UK wages, the freedom of movement attracted crime gangs, slave labour and sex workers and turned many cities into crime hubs.
I forgot to mention too that the EU workers often sent their earnings back home so the UK economy was even losing out as well as the tax man.
Since Brexit we now have the lowest unemployment since the 1950's wages for the lowest paid increased as companies lost access to cheap labour and had to increase the pay to appeal to UK citizens.
Freedom of movement works well for poorer nations with high unemployment as they can find work in better economies but there is always the negatives which the UK suffered many of.
An Irish person here. Many Irish people tried to warn ye about this but were laughed out of your BBC studios. I want to laugh in schadenfreude but the fallout will affect Ireland as you lot are between us and mainland Europe
Correct 👍
That said though, it's boosted Irish growth
@@mrbearbear83 That growth is despite Brexit not because of it the next year will be telling
Wouldn't it be great if the EU built an 8 lane road and rail tunnel from France to Ireland right under England?🤗
Nigel Farage is the "evil spirit " of GB history.
He is probably a puppet of the United Snakes of America
Nigel Farage has renewed public profile at head of new Brexit party - but in 2016 German documents and witness confirmed passport application just one day after UK’s EU referendum result - and he has not denied that he holds a German passport .
As a Yank living in the UK (dual citizen), the refusal to have another Brexit vote is shockingly undemocratic. US States have constitutional referendums all the time for the specific democratic purpose of letting the voters override undemocratic laws ... even including prior referendums that have become unpopular in hindsight. The key point is that referendums only are democratic if you allow them on a regular basis as demanded by voters, not the political overclass. Ironic that this basic democratic fact is lost on the Brexiteers, whose stated goal is to become more like the USA!
That presumes that the EU would want them back. Farage and his cronies would again be voted back as MEPs and proceed with their agenda of destroying the EU from the inside.
If Remain win, can we have another vote to leave again in 6 years?
@@SM-co3bv Sure. There wont be a need tho , since even if the UK wanted to join the EU , it would take decade's to do so.
@@Buckets1000
I think you mean, the only countries who want to join the EU, are the ones who will recieve more funds than they pay. The prerequisite being, that they have open their markets, to be pillaged by international globalist multinationals. Very few working people will see a rise in their living standards, but the rich in those countries will be able to line their pockets.
hence July 4th 1776, been free from idiots ever since.. 😁😁😁
Typical lunatic Brexiteer: "The state of our economy has nothing to do with Brexit" Really, then why was the size of the UK's economy 97% of Germany's in 2016 and fell down to 70% now? Germany had to deal with Covid and with the war in Ukraine, took in many more refugees from Ukraine and has to deal with the soaring energy prices at least as much as the UK, so why did it SO much better despite of all of this? "It is all down to bad regulations tying the UK to climate goals" - Did you ever calculate the cost of climate change already, not to mention the future cost and how huge it will be should nothing be done about it now? Lost harvests, burnt areas, flooded areas, disrupted supply chains because of these issues, all sums up. "We could not taka advantage of getting rid of 8000 regulations" - WHICH regulation specifically would you want to get rid of? Workers rights? Want to make people work 100 hours per week again for half the pay they get now and never allow them a day of paid sick leave or even paid holiday? You sound like such a kind of guy but ask how many Britons acutally would agree with that. "We cannot get rid of the European Commission" Right, just like you cannot get rid of Sunak now. Unless those you elected get rid of him, you won't, EXACTLY like in the EU where the commission is voted for by parliament and they could also get rid of it if they chose to. "Every regulation has a cost associated to it." How much more wrong could he possibly be? MANY regulations REDUCE cost because you know if I produce something in this way, it is accepted as safe and I do not need to have safety tests done that would cost x.
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NI left behind! It’s Boom time there because they’re still in the EU practically if not ideologically . That’s the sunlit uplands of the UK now
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Which is why GB Brexit Ideologs want to change NIs position as NI will show why Brexit was a bad move.
@@RazorMouth it already has shown the fallacy of brexit , left behind to prosper
Exactly.. the northern Ireland unionists are so obsessed with being British that they don't mind becoming economically worse off ..brexiteers are so obsessed with being sovrrin that they don't mind being economically worse off.. you just can't argue with stupid..
@@willieodea83 so true, you had to write it twice!😀
Not being from the UK I still get the strong impression that Ben Habib is suffering heavily from Dunning-Kruger
I have moved my family to Scotland from England because in England ideology from old times is raining over common sense. English people still live with the memory of raining the world. Of course, for most people this was a living nightmare. We all know now how the pyramids are actually a testament to human failure. I see all of these mansions around England built during the empire, just like the pyramids , a testament to ego and suffering. This does not detract from the skill of the people that built these beautiful things. But the people that paid for them, they paid for it with blood and pain. What's even more amazing is that during these times. Even the people in England were suffering under their hands too. We all know the phrase. "They must have been through the mill."
If you give these people too much power, they will turn you all into slaves. The sad thing is that slaves don't hold their masters to account, in practice they look at anyone who is free and say why aren't they are slave too. There is nothing slaves hate more than a free man. This is how the conservatives have ruled England for so long..
Did Ben say the UK has the best HERITAGE in the world? Really? With all the colonialism and stuff, does he still regard the UK as the greatest in the world? I THINK NOT!
I am not sure what kind of heritage he was talking about, but I am quite confident that Italy has the biggest share of cultural heritage on the planet as a single country (and apparently the UNESCO agrees with this).
@@edoardorossi5031 Italy, Greece, the Levant, China. The arrogance of some of the Brits!
Brexit is built on nostalgia
Ya can’t eat heritage.
@@bobsmith5441 China wiped most of their heritage out.
‘If you dont like it leave’?!!!! Wow did he just say that? What kind of a low debate is this!
It's the brexit mantra, chanted by idiots who don't realise that those with the ability to leave, even just in theory, are better off than them
Habid ignores the fact that NI is the only part of the UK to be thriving (along with London).
I voted to come out, but I thing. It was the biggest mistake I have ever made, I robbed the youth of tomorrow
“Benefits of brexit” - LOL!
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so you dont have any idea what Brexit was about, apart from a few headline banners from lefty newspapers.
Thanks for letting us all know how little you understand something before choosing to mouth off about it.
@@philiproscoe2968 Then please enlighten me - because the voters voted based on headline banners from (mostly) right-wing media.
In the rest of Europe we're happy you've showed us the true worth of freedom of movement and free trade, those "lefty" concepts...
@@Nygaard2 did they really. To the nearest 5 million say, how many did you speak to ? Not only that, it seems that all the people you did speak to do not have minds of their own and are simply influenced by what you call, " right wing media."
And since when was Free Trade a "lefty" concept ? There is nothing more CAPITALIST you idiot 🤣🤣🤣
@@philiproscoe2968 groobur
the uk is a nightmare now
When is it going to dawn into the mind of people in GB that we on the continent itself are pretty much done with Brexit, move on and that it is not our problem unless the UK wants to rejoin and will hit a massive brick wall as the majority of people in the EU say out means out.
Ben Habib expresses quite well the personality of English aristocrats and elites; a personality derived solely from superiority and from their imperialistic past; a man who stands on others for his own sake, like UK once did. It’s ironic how the reminiscence of their glorious past is what will destroy them in the presence. I hope for the young generations that all these pompous and delusional people who live in the past won’t destroy the little they have left.
Yeah… just the fact he is an Asian! What imperialism can he have? Lol
He is just a dumb a$$
The Same thing can be said about France.
It was never discussed openly with the public, how brexit should look like, yet voted about.
Thats the main problem.
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Yes, it was. It's just that voters decided to overlook it.
Stupidity and ignorance are not excuses.
In fact even the politicians involved didn’t know what Brexit will be and even less what it’s consequences could be. They went for something they had no clue about. Now we can start to see a bit more how dreadful things are and it s just the beginning.
It was discussed non stop.
Misinformation from tories and BBC that's one of the problems and they should be in court for it
Dear god, why are people like Ben Habib being listened to?
Because "balance". These @rseholes need to be told they've had their say and its time for the adults to take charge
More and more of the British public ain't listening to delusional Brexit believers anymore. As the harsh reality of economic harm and restrictions on trade and travel bite, more and more people regret Brexit. Britain might be coming back into the EU sooner rather than later. Brexit isn't workable long term.
I know a lot of “High skilled workers” and they don’t want to go to the UK!
Especially in the research and science,
So many people that supported Brexit say that the promises (which have not materialised) were not promises, just hopeful predictions !
So on that basis Brexit has been a success. And in return, the UK is the first country to place financial sanctions on itself by turning its back on its closest and biggest business partner, and made freedom of movement more difficult for its own citizens. You couldn't make it up.
It was like turkeys voting for Christmas…
The UK economy is buggered
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Yeah, like you know! The UK will be better off in the long term.
@@chilesauce7248 am Leonard from Dublin what about you
americans are far behind the world
Cant stand that Ben Habib
Such a dimwit
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I’m Polish. I worked hard as a picker-packer in the warehouse. Brits accused me of stealing jobs. Now you can have my job back, take it! Happy picking 20kg boxes. I'm sure you want it so badly! 😂
Many elderly Brexit voters are and will die over the years ahead. Habib is an elderly Brexit advocate. His demise will preferably be sooner rather than later.
Brexit or no Brexit the UK is doomed somewhere between 2030-2040 because of climate change mate most of UK is a flood risk area and the migrants are heading the wrong direction.
Bit much
people can vote differently as they age. I would have been more in the center in my 20's (UDF in France) but over time values such as sovereignty, protecting our identify, preventing ethnic/religious tension/ splitting the country, has led me to vote to the right (FN, reconquete) And I think it is a pretty common phenomenon. I think Britain did great in exiting the EU. Look at Japan, they have 0 growth for decades, salaries are low resisting the pressure to open the door to mass emigration from the IMF. But it is not all about wealth; there is a sense of unity in Japan, very low criminality too. It is not Bosnia Herzegovina, Lebanon or North Macedonian with different ethnicities / religion fighting with each other and bringing down the countries. The melting pot that the EU is promoting is not that great. Imagine a moment that France has a war against Algeria or Germany against Turkey. We almost cannot. We would be stabbed in the back. Now granted, the UK has introduced mass immigration well before the EU, so it was not solely a EU issue. But the EU is defo promoting more of that.
Yet Boris and Nigel raved about how proud Brits would be to suffer, comparing it to the real heroism of Londoners during the Blitz. What an insane comparison to make, yet at the time people were puffed up with pride about such a notion. I remember people saying "I would gladly suffer the impact to have "freedom" and to "take our country back". Undefined and notions that sound great but meant nothing.
As far as the EU is concerned, we are a third country, bound by third country rules, regardless of what Farage tried to claim. It was either an unbelievable, stupid, immature inability to understand consequences of stepping away from everything EU on the part of brexit advocates, or it was a massive con by politicians with ideologically based beliefs and ulterior motives. Creating trade barriers and non-alignment with EU rules regarding trade is bound to reduce goods crossing borders so reducing the creation of wealth.
Ben Habib represents a generation that grew up taking full advantage of EU and it's predecessors. Enjoyed the ease of movement and took everything for granted. Now he's old and doesn't care and pushed to take it away from everyone else so he could live out a fantiful dream of helping bring back the British empire.
I am happy to have chosen Ireland 🇮🇪 as my immigration destination and not the UK.
I am pleased for you and i am sure the Irish will be delighted to have you.
@@davidmcintyre998 Thank you
Ben Habib single-handedly advocating for censorship there, the man's an embarrassment to himself and his cause. Love the way the interviewer eventually tires of his jingoistic mumblings and cuts him off.
The problem is that people like Ben have the loudest voice and therefore those with good reasoning capacity cannot be heard.
I read German just fine
This conversation shows that it will be a long way back to the Single Market. Europe doesn’t want an unreliable partner that is In then Out then In.
Britain has further to fall before a larger majority accepts we should have stayed in the Customs Union and Single Market.
In Germany we are very grateful for workers from Poland, Bulgaria, Slowakei, etc. They are hard working people.
@@thetruth9210 Turkey is not in the EU.
@@thetruth9210 The first Generation arrived 1961 to compensate for the labor shortage in the post-war period.
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Almost 1.5 million people from Turkey live in Germany. Where did you get the 8 million?
Well said Femi , people like Ben live in the past 👍
Brexit is the extraordinary belief that the most pernicious politicians for the most selfish motives will somehow work for the benefit of all.😏
It still makes me feel sad when I see the images of the British flag being removed from all the others within the EU. Something is going wrong if as a European country you don't wish to be in the concert of European nations trying to work for the benefit of Europe as a whole.
The British never wanted to be a part of the European idea. They thought they were too good and too important for it.
Who said Brexit was about economy? It was about Arron Banks, BoJo-for-PM and the 50 trillion trust business, nothing else.
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@@leonardcohen4027 Hello. This is John Lennon speaking. How is Canada?
@@charlesvanderhoog7056 am Leonard from Ireland I want to know if you are familiar with binary investments
"Every regulation has a cost for business" - But so has every business a cost for society. We extract oil from the ground, our children won't have that oil. A company switches to just-in-time delivery and the supply chain becomes more vulnerable. Regulations are the free market of society competing against business with people demanding outcomes.
The economy is a tool, not an end. If everybody does well, the question how the economy is doing is important but secondary.
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Do we have a “just in time chain anymore “ ? No we don’t. That’s vulnerable.
Too late now. What's crazy is British business owners are now moving their businesses to the EU. Which means less jobs in England. It's crazy.
No, that is actually sane. Crazy was to shoot yourself in the foot by voting to leave.
@@Kivas_Fajo True
@@thetruth9210 Oh well, you should tell my family it's not true they'd love to know that in France
Quite a legitimate point and question! Have we - in Britain, losing trust in Brexit? Actually, the conclusions supported by this - are partially fanciful! Yes, there are those of us in Britain who believe that a mistake of choice have been made! And may even wish that the decision had gone the other way. I am however - a very reluctant acceptor that the decision has been made! And there's no quick or easy way back from that mistake! I voted for remain in Europe. But I am saddened that it went the way it did! I now have no further arguments to offer, except to say that we are seeing some of the consequences of this choice. We will have to suffer from the miscalculation, there's simply no further arguments or choice..
Really? Does the UK need foreigners to do their cherry picking?
The lots lazy bum bum Brits don't wanna pick their own fruits and veggies lol 😆😂🤣😅
That won't happen. The UK is a master in cherry picking.
@@hannofranz7973 Yep, but not in strawberry or apple picking. Or in harvesting beans, carrots or peas. 🍒
Yes, locals do not work for peanuts
@@kumstuke At Jimmy Carter's farm they did...
"I know because I was there negotiating it" absolute killer response to someone who is still gaslighting people.
Ben Habib sounds like Palpatine with his evil little laugh
Sorry friend. That's Senator Mitch McConnell here in the USA. Believe me.
Farage's's behaviour in the European Parliament left me feeling ashamed of being British.
And where is he now? Quiet on all fronts…
@@charleshennekam2613 Enjoying his MEP pension, I guess.
@@GeorgHaeder How did this character become the representative of the UK in the European Parlement. Perhaps the upper echelons prefer to send him to the EP instead of having him in London… ?
So big discrimination for people from Eastern Europe
Horrible experience 😪
So much money 💰 lost for what
For kicks
"The benefit of Brexit"... I think you'll wait some time before they find one.
50 years was it not?
@@kimwit1307 Yes, if you go by the estimate from JRM and the "ministry of Brexit opportunities". All we need now is Tardis to get there fast and see if these promises hold.
listening to this old guy going on about the pros of brexit pretty much sums it all up ..
Regulations - not too much of them - is what keeps our quality of life.
When the UK dissolves apart, the mature devolved nations will rejoin. To leave the one of the worlds largest trading blocks (coming from a country that has built their wealth off the EU and the single market).. it’s baffling. Hoping our Celtic cousins 🏴 will be back soon.
Celtic cousins. Do you mean those that can't look after themselves and live off handouts?
@@SM-co3bv can you spell in your country? It’s handouts not hangouts you cretin
@@SM-co3bv you people said the same about Ireland and now we blow you people out of the water in terms of human life, GDP,
education etc. independence works especially when it’s comparing the UK to the EU. So Cop on. And wise up, you know right well Scotland only trades with little england cause that’s all they can. Like Ireland, they will build their wealth off the EU, leave you absolute weirdos below the povert line, and never ever look back.
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Your problem is, that you like the EU, but that you hate the UK.. in 30 years Irish catholics will be in a minority in Ireland. Irish culture, will be no more.
You have bravely fought 800 years to get rid of the English, only to be controlled by an undemocratic entity, that throws a few euros ar you and you sell your soul.
Can you not see the irony of that?
@@SM-co3bv won’t be a britain in 30 years cause it’ll have collapsed through economic and political chaos hahaha Slán 😂
I voted to Remain and I still believe it was a historical mistake to leave. Having said that can we get a touch of reality here about rejoining, there is no concept of rejoining in EU treaties. If we wanted to go back in we would be treated as a new application. Far too many thought that if we changed our minds the EU would welcome us back with open arms, that is not going to happen. Some truths;
1. If we were to try and join the EU again (not rejoin) every single concession we used to have will be gone and we will no doubt have to sign as a condition of membership that we won't try to get them back.
2. As a new member we will be obliged to accept the EURO as our unit of currency, which in my opinion the British public will not be willing to do for decades unless we are in a very harsh economic situation.
3. As a new member we would have to sign up to become full members of the Schengen Area which we were able to opt out when members.
4. UK business whether in or out of the EU will have to meet every single one of the EU regulations just like they have to with the US there are no opt outs. So if we want to keep trading with the EU we will have to jump when they say jump. The difference now is we will have no say in those regulations.
5. Because of the costs we have imposed on the other EU countries during our withdrawal we may well find that the EU as a condition of our new membership will insist that we make a substantial deposit into a fund in case at some point in the future we change our minds again.
6. Once we said no to the other EU institutions we in effect reset the economic game so if for example we wanted a Norwegian style relationship we would have to start negotiations from scratch and just like Norway we would have to make a financial contribution to the EU a contribution that would mean we were paying the same amount as before but with no say in any EU matters. As a sidebar the contributions that Norway make go towards improving infrastructure in the poorer nations of the EU.
7. The right wing media in the UK are not going to accept any of those conditions for fear that their readership will turn on them for giving them bad advice in the first place.
So in conclusion, as much as I would like it to be different, I don't believe that is likely that the UK will be back in any EU organisation for at least ten years and full membership in my opinion would take about twenty years. Until all of the age demographic that voted in huge numbers to leave will have died off.
Meanwhile it's time for all those Brexiteers who are blaming all and sundry for the failure of Brexit to find workable solutions that deliver what they promised or admit they lied during the campaign. The ball is in their court they need to own what they said and accept responsibility for their actions instead of trying to blame others. That includes all the trade deals that will be imposed on the UK in the coming years as other countries realise just how weak economically the UK now is. As has already been demonstrated by the trade deals that we have signed with Australia and New Zealand both of who are countries that we regard as our friends. Just wait until we try to get deals with the likes of the Mercosur group who all happen to back Argentina when it comes to the Falklands.
@@thetruth9210 If we to want to rejoin we could apply to rejoin tomorrow but you're delusional if you think they would take us back on the old terms. That's the same argument that "they need us more than we need them" and it's false.
There is no mechanism to rejoin the EU all you can do is make a fresh application to join. All new applicants must agree as a minimum that they will join the EURO and have full membership of the Schengen area. Any single existing member of the EU could veto our application and so some will use that power to gain concessions; so Ireland may demand a referendum on a United Ireland, Spain may demand that we give up or set a time scale on the return of Gibraltar..
All those concessions would be gone and we would have to agree that we would not want them back. We might even have to make a financial deposit to cover the costs if we were to change our minds again at some point.
There is no pressure whatsoever on the EU taking us back they hold all the cards and we will be given a take it or leave it option. As I say if you think any different then you are delusional.
@@thetruth9210 When a country has repeatedly broken their word and caused another country(s) harm and you then want to go back you have lost all trust. So the EU MAY say it cost us €X when you left last time so we want that as a deposit that you will lose if you do it again. They would be in their rights to say that because it would be us asking to go back not them beginning us to return.
Do you understand what is in the divorce bill? Every single civil servant we sent to the EU has to have their agreed employment benefits met when they lost their jobs and came home. Every single MEP by law is entitled to a pension paid for by their country, so part of the divorce bill is paying for Nigel Farage's pension from the EU. While the Brexiteers say we didn't owe anything we had signed legal internationally binding agreements that we were still bound by. Yes we could have walked away and said we will pay nothing but the EU would for example have immediately confiscated the money we had in the European Central Bank to cover their costs. They would also have probably imposed sanctions to cover that money.
I'd love to know what benefits you think we have got from leaving real benefits that can be counted not the "we have our freedom garbage." Just list them. You may or may not be aware that commentators on Australian news programs were openly laughing at us for the trade deal we signed with them that in their words gave them everything they asked for and gave us nothing. So let's have a list of the opportunities you think we have, real opportunities because I've yet to hear a single Brexiteer name one of these opportunities. Because from what I can see the only thing we have done so far is increase dramatically the amount of red tape people have to deal with, it appears to be the only growth industry since we left.
So I challenge you list the benefits we have had so far and list the opportunities that are available to us that were not there before.
Ask the fishing industry in England,how good was the Brexit for them.
I find it frustrating that frequently interviewers do not call out lies or allow a informed rebuttal.
For example - the argument that EU officials can not be sacked?
The UK WAS a member of the EU. Which meant that it sent elected officials from the UK to represent UK interests in the EU parliament just like all other EU member countries.
And yes. UK votes can not fire Spanish EU members of parliament. Just like English voters can not fire Scottish members of UK parliament.
Going on - unelected EU officials can be fired for not following EU regulations. Same as UK unelected officials.
Meh...
Thank you for this upload and debate to here on YT!
2016 i knew uk government is not competent or efficient enough to process working visas in a timely manner to satisfy labour shortages
Hello
we have several million unemployed at the moment.
How does that fit in to a "labour shortage" ?
Its not Brexit's fault we have vacancies, it's lazy scum who feel entitled to an easy life on benefits that's causing any labour shortage.
@@philiproscoe2968 entitlement attitude is not going to change so you need workers who are willing to work and that's from the EU just a fact of life
@@user-qb7ms6vs7s it probably IS a "fact of life," for people looking for the first opportunity to QUIT something. ie/ how about putting some pressure on these scroungers to contribute their share to society's efforts ? Reducing benefits is the obvious one. There will be many more.
Getting the idea now ?