One problem with the "must partner with a local company" aspect is that it isn't just "the way it works there". Every Chinese company has to fall under the authority of China's government. Meaning must hand over any data it asks for, must create whatever propaganda it asks for, etc. Their market capture of the gaming industry through their companies very much results in pro-China and anti-"western" messaging in their games.
@Vaeldarg you forgot the most important part about operating in china.. If you have a company in china, then all your profits are property of the CCP. No matter what ANYONE says, in China YOU do not OWN your company in any way, shape or form. It is now owned by the communist party of China. You can only operate in China under their iron fist rules, point blank period. So F unity... its Unreal Engine for life!
@@RupertBundemOk if you have a team of genius you can make a unishity game. Whereas in unreal anyone can make a polished game that looks good. The out of the box capabilities are not even comparable.
Unity still owns Unity China, not giving western devs these features when the current engine has an incredible feature drought is like spitting in our faces especially after the underwhelming announcements at Unite which were pretty much just more platforms, AI and live service features.
Hey GFS! I'm working on a custom renderer built on top of URP for Unity that has similar results to Lumen (it's 100% real-time). I'd absolutely be happy to give you an exclusive free early-access copy (which I haven't given anyone else yet).
Super easy to implement things like nanite and lumen when you have a good reference code available... I am certain they are not stealing code from Epic... China would never do that. Right?!
I suspect the real reason its not in western Unity isn't so much code (All the information is out there in the academic research, theres no great secrets here) but patents. The thing is, china doesnt really *do* software patents, thats a western thing. The end result is you can add all that stuff into chinese unity, but it cant be added into western unity. Because Epic cant sue in china, but it sure as hell can in the US and Europe.
@@shayneoneill1506 That is something China gets right. Patents are one of the worst things we have. Completely stifles innovation and competition, especially since the patents these companies have are all downstream from research done by academics that get paid next to nothing. I'm reminded of the Bandai Namco patent on loading screen mini-games. The entire system needs to be reworked or just gutted.
Under John's direction Unity had put their own head in the toilet and has refused to stop flushing. Unfortunately the type of John is a porta potty which doesn't actually flush but it does have a golden parachute.
@@lionelt.9124 lmfaoo true unity could have had such a solid future if not for fucked management running it now everything feels uncertain and unreal almost never takes such big L's even godot's future is looking promising
Oh, it's Unity *_based._* So that's like Goo Engine being based on Blender, or most browsers based on Google Chrome. So at this point it's not exactly Unity. It's a separate division altogether after all.
Even Godot is better than unity, now lol. Like c'mon man it's 2024. It's serious we still need to think about polycount, lightmaps, baking lights and stuff? I always tried to like unity but it's disappointed me all the time. It's unpredictable and unstable, has lots of unfinished and incompatible tools, the package manager is a mess, and so on
I'm not sure what you're going on about, there might be some unstable things in unity but that's true for any engine and tbh I don't think godot is really a competitior to Unity, godot lacks even the most basic features expected from an engine like a proper asset store, terrain editor, etc..., but all of this is not to support unity's bad financial descisions, but as of right now, I do not think Godot as a software is even remotelly as good as Unity
Don't forget Chinese Unity also has a fully functional implementation of React in C#, which apparently runs circles around UI Toolkit. The gulf between Unity's Chinese and western branches rivals that of Sega's Japan and US divisions back in the 90's.
@@Maximetinu117 "In 2022, Unity, MiHoYo, Oppo, and etc entered into an agreement to form a new regional joint venture called Unity China. This new company (Unity China) will be co-owned by Unity, MiHoYo, and others etc. More importantly, its partners (including MiHoYo) will retain majority ownership and control of Unity China. Unity China's purpose is to be the exclusive distributor of Unity’s products and services in China, and plans to start building locally customized versions of its core products for game developers, including the Chinese version of its flagship Unity Editor
@@Maximetinu117 No, since Unity isn't sold in China and Unity China isn't sold elsewhere. And I do believe that Unity China has access to stuff from Unity Global
I'm already learning Unreal Engine. Even if "Unity West" builds these Nanite/Lumen-like features into Unity 6, that doesn't change Unity's completely depraved attitude. I'm just tired of being disappointed by Unity in so many ways.
Same. Been learning Unreal for the 3D stuff. Staying with Unity only for 2D, since 3D is an absolute pain on their engine. Don't wanna go to Godot till they get the Unity 5 treatment. Which could be a couple of years.
@@PanJabko-mt3lu i use UE4 for some KS game and yes its pain in the ass..all the hype is quickly down the drain when you have to compile every single god damn thing..and heck you have to have minimum of 8 Core processor to dev comfortable with it...even on UE5
@@greendino5868 yeah, I tried using UE and the engine feels like an absolute bloated mess. It has good features but it's the worst engine I've ever used in terms of usability.
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"It is very cool to see what can be done with the engine/editor given a team that can focus on and perform that work." If only Unity had a team to focus on the engine and the editor.
The reason these features are only available in Chinese version because in china there is no strict laws about copyright that's why we see mostly cheap things that is a copy of big brands. So I think they just copy and paste the unreal code in unity and if unity release this version in global than they will surely get sued but unreal.
I was thinking something similar myself, that this was essentially a rip-off with a name change. It would explain why it isn't released outside of China.
Or these features don't work as they claimed. Nanite needs way more meshes to show it's ability, but there is only a few video with simple scene. We will never find it out, until actually try it.
Do you really want to install spyware, and build spyware into the runtime? You could end up being the guy in court, answering question about whether you spy for China or not, just because of a non released experimental feature.
@messengercreator how is it hard? Harder than unreal? Cryengine? Godot is cool but it can't just be about easy, but more about usefulness. How will you ever get work if the only engine you use is Godot but they force you to use their own engine or UE or (god forbid) Unity
I mean...there is no actual problem developing and producing a game with it OUTSIDE china right? this is what i'm curios of cause Nanite and Lumen are pretty hard to pass on tbh
@@Tomas9970_1 not the original poster, but I just wanted to mention documentation. The biggest hurdle I see everyone fighting for unreal is its a massive engine with horrible documentation. It's been a while since I've looked into it so maybe they are better now, but for someone just trying to get into the engine getting told to "just read the sourcecode" is enough for me to walk away.
According to the announcement. "Unity will retain majority ownership and control of Unity China, which will operate solely within the Greater China region". That means they will only sell this version to someone in the "Greater China region" whatever that means.
@@Tomas9970_1 because it's not Unity? The UX and workflows are very different between the two engines, especially when most people use visual scripting in Unreal (or you have to learn c++) vs C# in Unity
I quit dealing with Unity back when they announced the China partnership. It's just a front for China to buy the technology and do what they want with it. This happens time after time after time. They used to just steal it but corporations are more than eager to take their money now. What does Unity have to show for it?
Do you know what a tpm is for? It's the chip that holds the keys to encrypt/decrypt the system. It's the same component that keeps your Bitcoin and shtcons pk save in a hardware wallet. So your argument is, theirs is better because it has no security?
What an incredible video!!!! Could you imagine someone could use google translator and actually READ ENGLISH TEXT !!!!????? So much useful authored information! TY!!!!
If you’re looking for a more robust Nanite like virtual geo solution for Unity, keep an eye out for the third party solution, Nanotech, that’s nearing its alpha release
I've been following Nanotech for a long time and it keeps getting postponed and there are always problems. That's not an accusation. What this guy is doing is incredible. I just want to say that you shouldn't rely on nanotech.
Actually its better made by 3rd party actually since unity mostly not update their stuff, or it takes a long time for them to do so (And you can edit it yoursef if there is a bug) But asset market is kinda grim right now after unity policies.
@@sabiplaypuzzles7332 Agreed, I’ve been backing it for a while now. While the initial alpha release dates were not realistic , the progress has certainly been impressive. Hopefully this attention that the Unity China solution is getting will only garner him more support.
The only problem it will be a paid asset. Dont get me wrong I am not agaist devs being paid but lets be honest this feature MUST be in unity by default for free I mean they are multibillion company after all but cant make what solo devs can lol
Sounds like a weird ploy for the executives and shareholders to garner the Eastern market - and possibly sell-off to their partners there. Wouldn't even be surprised if that's an announcement post Unity 6.
What. The. Hell. Unity. Why would they not take advantage of the work done in Unity China? Tbh I don't even care about the specific features, even though they are awesome and what we need. I care that Unity is moving so slow, when Unity China demonstrate they have the ability to do good things.
Gotta love how a lot of people in the comments are quick to jump at the idea chinese Unity devs might be violating Epic's copyright and not, you know, they have talented (and dedicated) enough developers working for a company (with a seemingly more focused vision than western Unity) that sees a potential for developing similar tools for such a large market as China because, apparently, Epic cracked the ONLY way to implement such tools on an engine and it's impossible for others to do so without copyright violations involved... especially in *shudders* China. I mean, if I'm proven wrong, so be it, but when it involves companies as big as these ones, I just doubt copyright infringement can go unnoticed.
Again, if tech was their priority, I am pretty sure they will be able to do legal walk-around or even come with something new. The company just seems to want to go easy path last years, so there is huge chance, they went easy path in this features too. And sure, China has long history of innovation and no evidence of copying western products.
They no doubt have talented and dedicated devs, nobody thinks they are a bunch of cavemen banging on keyboards with rocks and copy pasting code. Utilizing others work doesn't contradict that and they work in a system that encourages that as they are their own country with their own laws so it's perfectly legal there. Of course they will integrate features that would get them sued to oblivion if done outside of China.
@@vin7524 Feel free to correct me if I'm not getting this correctly, but AFAIK, "taking" a feature from one piece of software to another is not as simple as Ctrl+C, Ctrl+V a piece of code. There's a lot involved to just make it work, much less work well. If we were talking about a brand new engine that came out of nowhere, fine. But we are talking about feature implemented on a fork of Unity which works pretty differently to Unreal. At worst, this could be "reverse engineering" of those features which, in that case, it would be a perfectly legitimate development. To me, it seems quite evident that Unity China is following a bery different work ethic that main Unity, so I don't think this would be far fetched.
@@Diegorskysp17 Of course they have slightly different base that to implement it on. But both are working with same principles and are even written in same language. You still can steal feature's source code by decoupling it from its original base and align it to another one. It does not need to be 1:1 copy-paste. I guess exact principles for realisation has been patented and not general principle (maybe you will prove me wrong if you are familiar in this field and find proof it is not). And statement that "reverse engineering" is perfectly legitimate is crazy. Also they even do not need to bother with reverse engineering as they have full source code available on github.
@@DireSwift Like I replied to another person here, in my (admittedly quite limited) understanding of software development, just the sheer complexity of integrating Nanite and Lumen from Unreal to Unity would mean that you are, at worst, reverse engineering the thing. I'm not sure how source code access and it's "licensing" works tho, so I won't get there.
Unreal also pretty much own by China now, with Tencent owning 40% share. They don't have to steal the code. By the way Virtualized Micropolygon Geometry (Nanite) and Ray-Traced Dynamic Global Illumination (Lumen) are not invented by Epic Games either. Epic just put a fancy name on it.
Hmm... why wouldn't Unity want to bring these advanced features back to the rest of the world? Only reason I can think of is copyright. How "clean" is the nanite-like Unity? Is there any possibility that code from Unreal made its way across? (And before anyone points out, clean room reverse engineering is obviously fine, but if you can't establish that legal difference, you open yourself to a potentially ruinous copyright claim even if it's a different language)
Useful for non-gatekeeping sites(like that io site and many non-english main language sites, and p4ytre0n ) that doesn't check if u had legit Unity/license, in fact I think it's only playstore, ios, steam and epic store that checks unity license something am I right? would love to learn more. Also sounds really helpful for beginners(Like the nanite thing to reduce work for LOD, UV wrapping, less optimizing, etc), by the time beginners become pros Unity had probably their own version of nanite &/or Lumen or something.
If we download, will we be able to open our existing project in this chiness version ? Also is it possible to chose english version in settings ? Looks interesting
Unity devs can finally jump to an engine that's just like Unity with nice features..... I wonder what else is in the Taunjie engine roadmap, perhaps Unity users should also all group up and chip in to buy the source code so they can implement all the features and fix the wont fix bugs aswel.
The moment I read the words "Unity" and "China", Genshin is the first that came to mind. Obviously this is targeted to those companies making games like Genshin or Honkai Impact as they were all made in Unity and make tons of money. I fear that Unity will forever have two versions, but I still hope it also gets released in other countries.
this is just insane, properly insane, this is how you put an entire part of the industry to shame. kudos to the Chinese division. these features not coming to the other unity version isn't justifiable, that board and ceo excuse isn't good enough. unless they are really really focusing on polish instead. which is something that isn't in the vocab of unity. so this is just copium to be blunt. which is stupid because an entire separate division did all the hard work for them anyways. classic unity.
I wonder if by 2030 Unity will still exist or be bought by another company. Who knows maybe they change for the better or not... or bankrupt and makes the thing open source, but yeah... Unity is on the edge
In a way it makes sense. Both Unity China and UE are own by companies that make games while Unity Technologies does not. Unity Technologies only needs to care about making money from Unity engine but the game companies care more about making money from their games and reducing development cost. That creates different priorities and incentives. Could this be backported? Maybe but judging from the version numbering change they probably didn't intend to maintain compatibility.
It does not make any sense. Unity has only source of income: the unity platform, so they have more incentive to create a better platform. Instead Unity China and EU consider that both platforms are a side-project.
@@eng3d Their only incentive for creating a better platform is having a strong enough competitor. Who do you think those are? Look at what happened with CPUs when AMD finally came out with Ryzen versus before when it was basically all Intel. On the other hand for the companies that make games they can either save money by getting the same work done with fewer workers or getting more work done with the same amount of workers. Those are very tangible motives. For Unity it would be much harder to prove that any particular feature will earn them more money. They can't implement it and then go "hey we are going to charge you more money now that Unity has this feature". The only thing that would pressure Unity is a competitor offering this feature which could cause existing clients to switch over. Who do you think is that competitor?
Unity devs in the comments acting very surprised that the American wing of Unity is just happy taking their money while not bothering to do any work to implement new features. Was this at all a surprise to any of you?
Eh, every company says that. They are just saying as of now it's not planned, in the future it may still come though. They are just not ready to make promises, but they would be dumb not to bring it over
If their management is completely separate from the main branch, *it doesn't surprise me they are doing more powerful improvements given the direction the board has been steering Unity towards since the company went public.* It doesn't even take a business genius to see the engine could use these features more than live service support. It feels like the quality and competitivity of the engine became secondary. *And now they are even charging $250 per seat for Odin, which is an asset that mainly just makes the workflow of the engine better, but is just not worth it on top of Pro and every other cost you need to deal with to make the engine good enough to be competitive. They shoot themselves on the foot.*
Yup unity is having none of of the developer backlash and decided to purge the team to focus on china. The resources is really better userd there because of cheaper and large labor market.
I came to hate all of those big corporations, Apple, Google, Unity, Microsoft, you name it. Too bad we are too entrenched in their technologies with many times without a route for escape.
That's progress! If the realized that China is way beyond them as far as tech goes and worked in harmony rather than the hostile attitude that prevails, we will all benefit. Maybe sooner than later,
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One problem with the "must partner with a local company" aspect is that it isn't just "the way it works there". Every Chinese company has to fall under the authority of China's government. Meaning must hand over any data it asks for, must create whatever propaganda it asks for, etc. Their market capture of the gaming industry through their companies very much results in pro-China and anti-"western" messaging in their games.
@Vaeldarg you forgot the most important part about operating in china.. If you have a company in china, then all your profits are property of the CCP. No matter what ANYONE says, in China YOU do not OWN your company in any way, shape or form. It is now owned by the communist party of China.
You can only operate in China under their iron fist rules, point blank period.
So F unity... its Unreal Engine for life!
'Unity for Genshin' lol
now with lootboxes to determine wich features will be avaliable at your region...
@@igorgiuseppe1862 gotta get that 5% featured rate
OOMMGG WTF!!!
Unity is truly a master in making their users feel they pulled the short match when picking an engine.
na its just an intelligence test, you failed
@@RupertBundemC# is an engine?
@@RupertBundemOk if you have a team of genius you can make a unishity game. Whereas in unreal anyone can make a polished game that looks good. The out of the box capabilities are not even comparable.
@@RupertBundem godot has official C# support
@@RupertBundemBro no one wants to play your unishity trash except downies and redditards. Pixel art garbage.
Un-fuckin' believable. Unity never fails to disappoint me.
Unity still owns Unity China, not giving western devs these features when the current engine has an incredible feature drought is like spitting in our faces especially after the underwhelming announcements at Unite which were pretty much just more platforms, AI and live service features.
I wonder if there's an issue with... Unclean copyright and such like.
i think its better to just change to UE
@@SianaGearz No need to cope like this.. you only embarrass yourselves more
@@mahardika0032 UE5 is not good for mobile development. Talking from experience.
@@SianaGearz There certainly is.
Hey GFS! I'm working on a custom renderer built on top of URP for Unity that has similar results to Lumen (it's 100% real-time). I'd absolutely be happy to give you an exclusive free early-access copy (which I haven't given anyone else yet).
I want!
I need it!
I made right choice ditching Unity.
Super easy to implement things like nanite and lumen when you have a good reference code available... I am certain they are not stealing code from Epic... China would never do that. Right?!
Don't hurt yourself over it
USA doesn't steal am I right guys am I right? sheesh
So easy to copy that nobody tries to implement something similar in their engines (except Chinese)🤣
I suspect the real reason its not in western Unity isn't so much code (All the information is out there in the academic research, theres no great secrets here) but patents. The thing is, china doesnt really *do* software patents, thats a western thing. The end result is you can add all that stuff into chinese unity, but it cant be added into western unity. Because Epic cant sue in china, but it sure as hell can in the US and Europe.
@@shayneoneill1506 That is something China gets right. Patents are one of the worst things we have. Completely stifles innovation and competition, especially since the patents these companies have are all downstream from research done by academics that get paid next to nothing. I'm reminded of the Bandai Namco patent on loading screen mini-games. The entire system needs to be reworked or just gutted.
wake up babe new unity slander just dropped
???
its not slander if its objective facts
@@UODZU-P yes it isnt slander its true just had to do it for the meme unity been on a L streak for some time
Under John's direction Unity had put their own head in the toilet and has refused to stop flushing. Unfortunately the type of John is a porta potty which doesn't actually flush but it does have a golden parachute.
@@lionelt.9124 lmfaoo true unity could have had such a solid future if not for fucked management running it now everything feels uncertain and unreal almost never takes such big L's even godot's future is looking promising
Oh, it's Unity *_based._* So that's like Goo Engine being based on Blender, or most browsers based on Google Chrome. So at this point it's not exactly Unity. It's a separate division altogether after all.
They decided that Unity is too slow with its feature development and decided to build their own Unity
@@sephypantsu with h**kers and blackjack.
I'm sure these features are going to be experimental and preview indefinitely
lol but nope, china speed is no joke
lol exactly.
It's unity after all. What did we expect?
@@roygatz Exactly. They develop fast, so this will likely get into proper Unity Engine territory within a year or so.
Yes, China is a cheap, closed testing environment. Perfect to optimise stuff before dropping it in the west with its shitstorm risk.
That would be the case here. Over there, not sure.
Even Godot is better than unity, now lol.
Like c'mon man it's 2024. It's serious we still need to think about polycount, lightmaps, baking lights and stuff?
I always tried to like unity but it's disappointed me all the time. It's unpredictable and unstable, has lots of unfinished and incompatible tools, the package manager is a mess, and so on
I'm not sure what you're going on about, there might be some unstable things in unity but that's true for any engine and tbh I don't think godot is really a competitior to Unity, godot lacks even the most basic features expected from an engine like a proper asset store, terrain editor, etc..., but all of this is not to support unity's bad financial descisions, but as of right now, I do not think Godot as a software is even remotelly as good as Unity
Don't forget Chinese Unity also has a fully functional implementation of React in C#, which apparently runs circles around UI Toolkit.
The gulf between Unity's Chinese and western branches rivals that of Sega's Japan and US divisions back in the 90's.
Language and cultural barrier is something, eh?
Damn, would have loved to use that, but I'm already switching to unreal :(
@@Deliveredmean42 No, this is about productivity and passion of Chinese nerds rivaling Unity west from 2010s.
This guy is doing some cool Lumen / Nanite kinda stuff for Unity: www.youtube.com/@ChristianKahler/videos
Should do that for Godot instead.
Unity (Global) doesn’t own the majority of Unity China anymore. It’s owned by Tencent and MiHoYo, Unity only owns about 40%.
Source?
@@Maximetinu117this is one you should just Google yourself lol
@@Maximetinu117 "In 2022, Unity, MiHoYo, Oppo, and etc entered into an agreement to form a new regional joint venture called Unity China. This new company (Unity China) will be co-owned by Unity, MiHoYo, and others etc. More importantly, its partners (including MiHoYo) will retain majority ownership and control of Unity China. Unity China's purpose is to be the exclusive distributor of Unity’s products and services in China, and plans to start building locally customized versions of its core products for game developers, including the Chinese version of its flagship Unity Editor
@eng3d But then… does it mean Unity and Unity China will not only not share any tech improvements, but even compete against each other?
@@Maximetinu117 No, since Unity isn't sold in China and Unity China isn't sold elsewhere. And I do believe that Unity China has access to stuff from Unity Global
I'm sure some saint will download this version of unity and extract the relevant packages for us all...
I imagine while you could use it for random free games, you probably couldn't monetize games using their packages like this.
Jesus!
no EULA term that bars you from doing that
Do u know how to search someone who has uploaded it? (except china source of course)
@@MangaGamified I am using it
From that point, I wouldn't be surprised if North Korea branches Godot and add nanites to their custom engine.
That would legit be impressive if the DPRK's coders can pull that off...
The People's Engine
I bet they're employing Van Kleiss to work on it
Kim Jon Un(ity)
lol
Dimensity 9200 is a mobile SoC from Mediatek (MTK) you might find in a smartphone.
#DISUNITY
Does it really surprise you unity like shitting on its developers.
I'm already learning Unreal Engine. Even if "Unity West" builds these Nanite/Lumen-like features into Unity 6, that doesn't change Unity's completely depraved attitude.
I'm just tired of being disappointed by Unity in so many ways.
Same. Been learning Unreal for the 3D stuff. Staying with Unity only for 2D, since 3D is an absolute pain on their engine. Don't wanna go to Godot till they get the Unity 5 treatment. Which could be a couple of years.
If you think that you won't get disappointed by unreal, oh boy, you are in for a ride.
@@PanJabko-mt3lu i use UE4 for some KS game and yes its pain in the ass..all the hype is quickly down the drain when you have to compile every single god damn thing..and heck you have to have minimum of 8 Core processor to dev comfortable with it...even on UE5
Move to godot
@@greendino5868 yeah, I tried using UE and the engine feels like an absolute bloated mess. It has good features but it's the worst engine I've ever used in terms of usability.
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"It is very cool to see what can be done with the engine/editor given a team that can focus on and perform that work."
If only Unity had a team to focus on the engine and the editor.
They're too busy hiring POCs and women
Maybe now with the new CEO, things will be different?
SO FUCKING PISSED BRO
I wouldn't expect any less from Asian developers, haha...
--Table-------------------China-----Global---
--Unity--------------------Lumen---Baked---
--Unreal Engine------Lumen---Lumen--
这只是Unity想要占领中国这边的市场，挣到更多钱，Unity引擎依然是比团结引擎更好的选择
The reason these features are only available in Chinese version because in china there is no strict laws about copyright that's why we see mostly cheap things that is a copy of big brands. So I think they just copy and paste the unreal code in unity and if unity release this version in global than they will surely get sued but unreal.
I was thinking something similar myself, that this was essentially a rip-off with a name change. It would explain why it isn't released outside of China.
Or these features don't work as they claimed.
Nanite needs way more meshes to show it's ability, but there is only a few video with simple scene.
We will never find it out, until actually try it.
@erikafurudo9960 They don't literally mean copy and paste. 🙄
They can still get sued by Unreal through Tencent. Tencent is a major shareholder of Epic Games.
Unreal belongs to Tencent in something like 40%, so why wouldn't they sue them locally if that was the case?
yet another reason to pick godot. Unity as a company blows chunks.
Unless they're Unity China
There’s nothing united about unity at this point
So can we get a torrent of it???? MEGASHARE?
Do you really want to install spyware, and build spyware into the runtime?
You could end up being the guy in court, answering question about whether you spy for China or not, just because of a non released experimental feature.
Welp, unity digs itself deeper and deeper in trash for me, hope Stride has a good future
uhh stride is so hard than Godot why because Godot is very easy to use and learn and plugin too
@@messengercreator many things I don't like about Godot(personal mostly)
@@messengercreator "B is very easy so A is so hard"
You should not say in that level of logic....
@messengercreator how is it hard? Harder than unreal? Cryengine? Godot is cool but it can't just be about easy, but more about usefulness. How will you ever get work if the only engine you use is Godot but they force you to use their own engine or UE or (god forbid) Unity
@@marksmithcollins what?
I mean...there is no actual problem developing and producing a game with it OUTSIDE china right? this is what i'm curios of cause Nanite and Lumen are pretty hard to pass on tbh
I wonder, is there any reason not to use Unreal if you are so interested in it's key features?
@@Tomas9970_1 because I have 10+ years unity experience and 9.5k$ in assets and tools?
What a stupid question and even stupider who liked you comment
@@Tomas9970_1 not the original poster, but I just wanted to mention documentation. The biggest hurdle I see everyone fighting for unreal is its a massive engine with horrible documentation. It's been a while since I've looked into it so maybe they are better now, but for someone just trying to get into the engine getting told to "just read the sourcecode" is enough for me to walk away.
According to the announcement. "Unity will retain majority ownership and control of Unity China, which will operate solely within the Greater China region".
That means they will only sell this version to someone in the "Greater China region" whatever that means.
@@Tomas9970_1 because it's not Unity? The UX and workflows are very different between the two engines, especially when most people use visual scripting in Unreal (or you have to learn c++) vs C# in Unity
I quit dealing with Unity back when they announced the China partnership. It's just a front for China to buy the technology and do what they want with it. This happens time after time after time. They used to just steal it but corporations are more than eager to take their money now. What does Unity have to show for it?
My kingdom for better rig retargeting :(
CHI - COMS HAVE UNITY BACK DOORS!!!!!!!!!!!
why not? apple sold iphone with dual sim slot only in china, tiktok has different version for china, windows for china doesnt need tpm, etc
Do you know what a tpm is for?
It's the chip that holds the keys to encrypt/decrypt the system. It's the same component that keeps your Bitcoin and shtcons pk save in a hardware wallet.
So your argument is, theirs is better because it has no security?
@@Qewbicle the problem is we can't trust manufactures that make tpm
@Qewbicle The problem is that we can't trust the manufacturers who make tpm
What an incredible video!!!! Could you imagine someone could use google translator and actually READ ENGLISH TEXT !!!!????? So much useful authored information! TY!!!!
If you’re looking for a more robust Nanite like virtual geo solution for Unity, keep an eye out for the third party solution, Nanotech, that’s nearing its alpha release
I've been following Nanotech for a long time and it keeps getting postponed and there are always problems. That's not an accusation. What this guy is doing is incredible. I just want to say that you shouldn't rely on nanotech.
Actually its better made by 3rd party actually since unity mostly not update their stuff, or it takes a long time for them to do so (And you can edit it yoursef if there is a bug)
But asset market is kinda grim right now after unity policies.
@@sabiplaypuzzles7332 Agreed, I’ve been backing it for a while now. While the initial alpha release dates were not realistic , the progress has certainly been impressive. Hopefully this attention that the Unity China solution is getting will only garner him more support.
Or just use Godot...Godot has both of virtual geo AND global illumination
The only problem it will be a paid asset.
Dont get me wrong I am not agaist devs being paid but lets be honest this feature MUST be in unity by default for free
I mean they are multibillion company after all but cant make what solo devs can lol
I'm glad I went to Godot. Never going back!
fun fact: You need to renew license every 3 days to use Unity, that's why some people use VPN to download a non chinese version of Unity
Huh... Interesting
How is renewal done? should you pay or something?
Sounds like a weird ploy for the executives and shareholders to garner the Eastern market - and possibly sell-off to their partners there. Wouldn't even be surprised if that's an announcement post Unity 6.
surely no copyright infringement is involved
Virtualized Micropolygon Geometry (Nanite) and Ray-Traced Dynamic Global Illumination (Lumen) are not invented by Epic Games either.
Not in the West, because it wouldn't be legal.
Lmao unity itself is just from wish
but better
@@gostan2718 Or worse
@@FinnTG What are you talking about? This commend is not pointing out the 'chinese version'.
Another solid reason to abandon/avoid Unity and to move to more fair and sane platforms.
What. The. Hell. Unity.
Why would they not take advantage of the work done in Unity China?
Tbh I don't even care about the specific features, even though they are awesome and what we need. I care that Unity is moving so slow, when Unity China demonstrate they have the ability to do good things.
Unity is a misnomer now.
They have been Disunity the moment they took government redistribution.
Dis-unity / Division / Tribes would definitely be a better name.
Gotta love how a lot of people in the comments are quick to jump at the idea chinese Unity devs might be violating Epic's copyright and not, you know, they have talented (and dedicated) enough developers working for a company (with a seemingly more focused vision than western Unity) that sees a potential for developing similar tools for such a large market as China because, apparently, Epic cracked the ONLY way to implement such tools on an engine and it's impossible for others to do so without copyright violations involved... especially in *shudders* China.
I mean, if I'm proven wrong, so be it, but when it involves companies as big as these ones, I just doubt copyright infringement can go unnoticed.
Again, if tech was their priority, I am pretty sure they will be able to do legal walk-around or even come with something new. The company just seems to want to go easy path last years, so there is huge chance, they went easy path in this features too.
And sure, China has long history of innovation and no evidence of copying western products.
They no doubt have talented and dedicated devs, nobody thinks they are a bunch of cavemen banging on keyboards with rocks and copy pasting code. Utilizing others work doesn't contradict that and they work in a system that encourages that as they are their own country with their own laws so it's perfectly legal there. Of course they will integrate features that would get them sued to oblivion if done outside of China.
@@vin7524 Feel free to correct me if I'm not getting this correctly, but AFAIK, "taking" a feature from one piece of software to another is not as simple as Ctrl+C, Ctrl+V a piece of code. There's a lot involved to just make it work, much less work well. If we were talking about a brand new engine that came out of nowhere, fine. But we are talking about feature implemented on a fork of Unity which works pretty differently to Unreal.
At worst, this could be "reverse engineering" of those features which, in that case, it would be a perfectly legitimate development.
To me, it seems quite evident that Unity China is following a bery different work ethic that main Unity, so I don't think this would be far fetched.
@@Diegorskysp17 Of course they have slightly different base that to implement it on. But both are working with same principles and are even written in same language. You still can steal feature's source code by decoupling it from its original base and align it to another one. It does not need to be 1:1 copy-paste. I guess exact principles for realisation has been patented and not general principle (maybe you will prove me wrong if you are familiar in this field and find proof it is not).
And statement that "reverse engineering" is perfectly legitimate is crazy. Also they even do not need to bother with reverse engineering as they have full source code available on github.
@@DireSwift Like I replied to another person here, in my (admittedly quite limited) understanding of software development, just the sheer complexity of integrating Nanite and Lumen from Unreal to Unity would mean that you are, at worst, reverse engineering the thing. I'm not sure how source code access and it's "licensing" works tho, so I won't get there.
"probably doesnt have a runtime fee" 😂
Unity having nanite and lumen???? 🤨🤨
yes, something similar but for the chinese region only.
Is this stolen code from the unreal engine 5, being fudged into Unity?
Unreal also pretty much own by China now, with Tencent owning 40% share. They don't have to steal the code. By the way Virtualized Micropolygon Geometry (Nanite) and Ray-Traced Dynamic Global Illumination (Lumen) are not invented by Epic Games either. Epic just put a fancy name on it.
Hmm... why wouldn't Unity want to bring these advanced features back to the rest of the world? Only reason I can think of is copyright. How "clean" is the nanite-like Unity? Is there any possibility that code from Unreal made its way across? (And before anyone points out, clean room reverse engineering is obviously fine, but if you can't establish that legal difference, you open yourself to a potentially ruinous copyright claim even if it's a different language)
Useful for non-gatekeeping sites(like that io site and many non-english main language sites, and p4ytre0n ) that doesn't check if u had legit Unity/license, in fact I think it's only playstore, ios, steam and epic store that checks unity license something am I right? would love to learn more.
Also sounds really helpful for beginners(Like the nanite thing to reduce work for LOD, UV wrapping, less optimizing, etc), by the time beginners become pros Unity had probably their own version of nanite &/or Lumen or something.
If we download, will we be able to open our existing project in this chiness version ? Also is it possible to chose english version in settings ? Looks interesting
Do you know how to find the Chinese verison?
@@Dave102693 he told us to use a vpn watch the video
@@Dave102693 Did you find it?(aside from the main china site) just heard of it now.
Unity devs can finally jump to an engine that's just like Unity with nice features..... I wonder what else is in the Taunjie engine roadmap, perhaps Unity users should also all group up and chip in to buy the source code so they can implement all the features and fix the wont fix bugs aswel.
this is the passion i am looking for. haha
unity sure bring some interesting news
I am so done with Unity at this point. It’s kind of disheartening really.
*Unity does something cool*
Western devs: I don't have access to it right fucking now, I hate unity!
I wish that Unreal Engine has c# support. I really, really wish that...
The moment I read the words "Unity" and "China", Genshin is the first that came to mind. Obviously this is targeted to those companies making games like Genshin or Honkai Impact as they were all made in Unity and make tons of money. I fear that Unity will forever have two versions, but I still hope it also gets released in other countries.
Honkai Impact is actually made in Unreal Engine. Star Rail is in Unity though.
@@ViRiXDreamcore I was referring to the newest honkai impact, I think it was Star rail sorry
if it has no runtime fee and has english interface maybe its time to try
Regional chinese updates with cutting edge solutions, cool. Doesn't feel right tho.
There's nothing subtle about that shade.
Deminsity D Number thats a mobile processor
Unity China has nanite and lumen? NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT.....
ladies and gentlemen this is what happens when chinses don't hire CEO's like John Riccitiello.
Damage already done😂😂
Where can I get the Chinese verison?
did u found it?
this is just insane, properly insane, this is how you put an entire part of the industry to shame. kudos to the Chinese division.
these features not coming to the other unity version isn't justifiable, that board and ceo excuse isn't good enough.
unless they are really really focusing on polish instead. which is something that isn't in the vocab of unity.
so this is just copium to be blunt. which is stupid because an entire separate division did all the hard work for them anyways. classic unity.
@TheIncredibleAverage do you have any idea how many programmers just steal others source code? that's normal.
How nice of you to praise unity for just pirating unreal's source code. They're really pushing the industry forward with it, I bet
@TheIncredibleAverage "stealing people's code" is like "stealing physics formula"
We need no normalize indie devs not using Unity, they are totally against your own interests
For Unity China first! 🤣
well, this sucks.
Why? Advancements on the other side will push advancements on the Western Side. Win win.
that's exactly what I'm using here in China
I wonder if by 2030 Unity will still exist or be bought by another company. Who knows maybe they change for the better or not... or bankrupt and makes the thing open source, but yeah... Unity is on the edge
More likely they won't release the source code at all. It's a private company, not a charity.
@@Cabolt44 Well then if the company dies, the engine dies too sad for that happen if it happens
Xiaomi Car & then this. I think we've reached a point, that everything in west, has a better Chinese version!
Genshin is a big disappointment. as much as unity they go hand in hand
In a way it makes sense. Both Unity China and UE are own by companies that make games while Unity Technologies does not. Unity Technologies only needs to care about making money from Unity engine but the game companies care more about making money from their games and reducing development cost. That creates different priorities and incentives.
Could this be backported? Maybe but judging from the version numbering change they probably didn't intend to maintain compatibility.
It does not make any sense.
Unity has only source of income: the unity platform, so they have more incentive to create a better platform.
Instead Unity China and EU consider that both platforms are a side-project.
@@eng3d Their only incentive for creating a better platform is having a strong enough competitor. Who do you think those are? Look at what happened with CPUs when AMD finally came out with Ryzen versus before when it was basically all Intel.
On the other hand for the companies that make games they can either save money by getting the same work done with fewer workers or getting more work done with the same amount of workers. Those are very tangible motives.
For Unity it would be much harder to prove that any particular feature will earn them more money. They can't implement it and then go "hey we are going to charge you more money now that Unity has this feature".
The only thing that would pressure Unity is a competitor offering this feature which could cause existing clients to switch over. Who do you think is that competitor?
Oh god damn unity users continue to get shafted
啊？我怎么不知道
Unity devs in the comments acting very surprised that the American wing of Unity is just happy taking their money while not bothering to do any work to implement new features. Was this at all a surprise to any of you?
Well, consider Unreal got better after Tencent bought a large chunk, now maybe it's not a fluke
Interesting
Eh, every company says that. They are just saying as of now it's not planned, in the future it may still come though. They are just not ready to make promises, but they would be dumb not to bring it over
SO FUCKING PISSED BRO
Unity on China feels like UE5 💀
(Edit: I misspelled it cuz my autocorrect did the thing wrong :/)
The chinese have it better
Did they fix HDRP pipeline? Cause if not all these is a broken effort... Do you see what I did there? ;)
So it's basically a beta-testground for Unity's upcoming features, such as the dynamic LoD system which is suposed to rival nanite.
💀💀💀
now, after console exclusive games, and region locked games, we have region locked features for game engines... nice...
If their management is completely separate from the main branch, *it doesn't surprise me they are doing more powerful improvements given the direction the board has been steering Unity towards since the company went public.* It doesn't even take a business genius to see the engine could use these features more than live service support. It feels like the quality and competitivity of the engine became secondary. *And now they are even charging $250 per seat for Odin, which is an asset that mainly just makes the workflow of the engine better, but is just not worth it on top of Pro and every other cost you need to deal with to make the engine good enough to be competitive. They shoot themselves on the foot.*
The Wholly Foreign Owned Enterprise (WFOE or WOFE) are a thing for a long time now JV is not mandatory.
Unity doesn't own a major stake in Unity China. Those 2 techs are coded by Tencent whose is a major owner.
W...T...F...
Good😅
Not saying that it isn't, but is "Nanite" and "Lumen" in Un1ty legit, or is it some code from Unreal hacked into Unity?
Meanwhile, Unity, with it's 7,000 employees:
Yup unity is having none of of the developer backlash and decided to purge the team to focus on china. The resources is really better userd there because of cheaper and large labor market.
I came to hate all of those big corporations, Apple, Google, Unity, Microsoft, you name it. Too bad we are too entrenched in their technologies with many times without a route for escape.
That's progress! If the realized that China is way beyond them as far as tech goes and worked in harmony rather than the hostile attitude that prevails, we will all benefit. Maybe sooner than later,
People's Republic of China + Unity = the Unity features that are sorely needed.