Apparently, there are a bunch of market analysts saying this is a great time to buy unity stock because this change will be great for the company's growth. I think they thinking because games like Genshin and Honkai are locked into Unity they'll see millions and billions of potential revenue and the smaller only a few hundred thousand/million dollar companies just didn't factor in because these guys are looking at the billion dollar marks not million. Course Hoyo is in China and they can very well tell unity to get fucked and there really isn't anything they can do about it. Don't think they really feel a company that makes a mere 10 million in revenue is worth worrying about losing.
The death threats towards Unity didn't come from gamers, it came from Unity's own employees! John Riccitiello is quite literally the worst thing to ever happen to the gaming industry.
I love how the Slay the Spire devs put out a public statement saying they were switching their current Unity project (that they've been working on for two years) to another engine and the statement ended with "We have never made a public statement before. That is how badly you fucked up."
2 years?? Yikes, these are the Devs I truly feel the most for. Ones that will definitely cross that $100K Threshold AND are deep into a new project already. I pray their transition is quick and smooth.
Imagine if Home Depot decided to charge a construction company for every time someone saw the house that company built because they used tools from Home Depot
Bad comparison. Epic Games would charge you 5% after you've earned $1 million. Its only about how much of a cut you're going to pay. In many cases, Unity's pricing ends up being less than you would pay to Epic Games. Lets say a big company is selling a game for $20 to $60, and selling millions of copies, then the $0.15 to $0.01 (15 cents to 1 cent) per unique initial install, assuming this huge company has an Enterprise account, will not really affect them. Those pennies will be a tiny percentage of their revenue. Really, really, really small. And you can make millions without ever having to pay Unity at all. If your game is $15 and you sell 150,000 copies, assuming that each sold for full price, you've earned $2,250,000 in revenue, and you shouldn't have to pay a single penny to Unity. Unity is still completely free. Or, lets say you sell 750,000 copies of your game at $15. You've earned $11,250,000 in revenue, and you only have to pay Unity for a Pro license. That's all. In each of those examples, the 5% that you would pay to Epic Games would cost more than Unity's new fees.
@@Churdington You literally forgot about everything that makes this change bad. Think about indie devs for a sec that do not overmonetize their games, makes them free to play, gets discounts, becomes available in a game pass or becomes free for a week on epic games. Those are the ones in trouble.
@@Churdington Unity's fee is a flat fee for installs, not sales. Customers will continue to install and re-install (also on different systems) your game, independently of whether or not your game still manages to sell, and Unity pretends it's reasonable to charge you for that. You mentioned Epic and, in that case, how much you are paying is directly tied to how much you are earning, which isn't the case here. The comparison is better than you are giving it credit for, since the house now costs you whether or not it is still making you money. The solution for the Home Depot problem is to either take down the house or rebuild it while using different tools. Similarly, game developers are either taking down their games or rebuilding them with another engine.
@@qnr3377 Reinstalls don't count. Demos don't count. Charity games don't count. And subscription services like GamePass don't count. If you can't sum your previous 12 month's revenue to be more than the threshold of $200,000, then your new unique installs don't count. You don't pay anything. If you stop earning money, and your revenue drops below your threshold, then you stop paying for new unique installs. If you want to raise the threshold to $1 million over the last 12 months, then a Pro subscription is $2000 per year.
We've gone from "Turning Players Into Payers" to turning Devs into payers as well. Good lord, the gaming industry is lost and their endless greed is at fault.
It's not lost bro, cool it with the doomposting. This trend is beginning to fade away, because these idiot CEOs are starting to realise that the gaming industry isn't just a cash cow.
@@qwefhj3011I hope to God that comes soon. I'm sick of Bitch Passes, Live Shitice, Microtranscams, incomplete games, and other nightmares of the modern game world
@@qwefhj3011 A game crash like the one that happened in 1983 can't happen again. Honestly, I get the feeling that if another game crash happens, it'll be because there's a general economic recession...
Quick note so-called "death threats" at this point appears to be a single death threat from an employee of Unity towards the CEO. Someone basically pointed out that, most likely, Unity's "PR machine" decided to turn the headlines from "Employee sends death threat to CEO who decides to shut offices" to "Unity receives death threats and shuts down for safety of employees": the latter gives the impression that external threat actors exist and pose risk to the frontline workers meanwhile the problem really lies between the CEO and this one particular employee over a situation that may (or may not) have to do with this current controversy.
I mean, to be fair they probably got death threats from other sources as well. Any company with more than 100k people aware of it is getting daily death threats and anytime they do an oopsie they get more.
Unity really lives up to its name. They managed to make the entire gaming space unify to hate on them all at once. Big companies, Small companies, Publishers, Developer, Journos, Gamers. Everyone Disliked That.
Even if they walk back every decision, I don't think a game dev would even want to use the engine knowing that the company could potentially pull this sh*t again.
When the likes of Valve, Microsoft, Nintendo and EpicGames are on the hook, they will unleash the kind of response that will absolutely Thanos Snap all of Unity out of existence.
Man, Nintendo? You so much as publicly short Nintendo one red cent and they're on you like drunken, PO'd murder-hornets! This is gonna be really funny to watch.
@@concept5631was about to say this. Takes me back to the old days, I will be telling my nephews about the glory days before Amongus playing the Henry Stickmim games.
I'm no lawyer, but if i recall, updating the ToS retroactively is highly illegal. You are effectively changing a contract after the fact. Should these developers band together with a competent lawyer, they could easily fend off the vulture that runs Unity. At least for games released. Regardless, hope developers find a new engine from a company who respects their position. Even if rolled back, the fact is Unity tried to and is no longer a trustworthy engine/partner to use.
this kind of licensing itself is illegal. This kind of contract would not be acceptable in my country because it’s unethical. I also think this will not work with data privacy regulations in europe.
@@goofyahdemoman1134its because they have enough money to stall the legal system long enough that the other party either 1) goes broke or 2)gives up to not waste money or even 3)settles instead of going through the full case
According to polygon, the death threats seem to have originated from an unity employee. The blowup about these death threats is most likely an attempt to garner sympathy for the Unity execs.
No sympathy for big corporations never any Maybe for personal devs who are overworked but never upper execs who are purely monetary driven soulless and specious
@@janky477 Let's just hope the shareholders see how fucked Unity truly is with this decision and jump ship. Sadly, what we do, doesn't matter much, but what they do, will force Unity to panic.
Yeah recently Linus used the death threat ruse to garner sympathy too. Like they wouldn't have gotten even a single one of it if they had a proper workplace in the first place. Same with Marty Straton with Doom eternal soundtrack dispute. In Marty's case he pretty much made the threats up when no one initially was supporting Mick Gordon. It's the equivalent of throwing your kid out of the house and then complain kid got assaulted in the streets. Like what does one expect the streets or the internet to be safe? The blame still lies on you.
It's a lot better for the person though, you don't have to deal with the tech's license if you're making it, people can just as easily do the same thing again with their project's license.
It's funny how that the CEO of Unity is orginally the CEO of EA, that pretty much explains what is really going on, EA is still here being greedy once more 😂
If you think about this in context of the CEO's previous statements it makes 100% sense that they'd do this. The CEO has been open about the fact he thinks every single game should be maximised for profit first and foremost, regardless of the developer's vision. Even going so far as to call developers who didn't want to utilise Unity's in engine advertising systems "F*cking idiots" as Muta said. I don't think they actually plan to make all that much from the runtime fees. What I think they're trying to do with this is kill the notion that a good game can exist without extensive monetisation by actively punishing any developer who makes a popular game but doesn't monetise it. While I'm sure they planned to make some money from this change (assuming it doesn't kill the company) I believe it's more nefarious purpose is to force smaller, usually more artistically driven devs into thinking about every single user as a cost to profit dynamic.
That theory is soo sad and... well, I'm speechless because I can see it being the case, he is essentially applying season passes and microtransactions to game DEVs....
Imagine being fired from Electronic Arts because you were too stupid to make them money. That's like being fired from a casino. And then, he sets an 18-year old company on fire because he doesn't understand where the money comes from. (content creators, not ads).
Honestly, this is just following the cycle of economics. Old companies get greedy the greed forces changes that ultimately fuck the platform before new ownership happens or new people create their own companies for this purpose and the process starts again. History is literally repeating itself. Come back to me in about 8 years when the next economic crash scare happens and companies start doing this stuff again. I'll be waiting. The people aren't getting enough say in the matter because we're letting them have all of it. Yeah, they get backlash. But they follow the cash flow. If a community truly wants it to change, the majority have to make it happen. Petitions only do so much. Oh, also, at least within the U.S. I'm pretty sure it's illegal on a federal level to do what Unity is attempting to do although I could be wrong on this.
That doesn’t really make sense because he would gain nothing from it. I don’t think he’s some super villain laughing while he sacrifices himself to make the world worse. Any small dev will just do what they did before but on Godot.
As much as I don't care for mobile games, Genshin Impact and a bunch of other giants are massive, run on Unity and have Tencent's backing. I have faith that in an expensive legal battle, they're going to overwhelm Unity and either have the whole thing dismissed or at least set a good precedent for other developers to push back.@@gnohms
Imagine writing a program in C# with VSCode, and Microsoft demanding an installation fee for every download after your program becomes successful. Microsoft is scummy, but I don't even think THEY would stoop THAT low.
Microsoft and Oracle already have variable licensing cost for Enterprise subscriptions based on expected consumer usage of a solution. Just that it's the "you're the product" "free". How else do you think Larry Ellison can brag they have data of 5billion people and need to finish the remaining 2billion. Enterprise solutions using Java has to give up good dept of consumer data to them. You can't even download their runtime now without signing up. This issue should have been raised when variable licensing happened. Since it was agreed then, I can get some logic why Unity thinks the variability is subverted using microtransactions intentionally or unintentionally.
No company would hire him if he manages to ruin Unity. They'll probably back out of this and in a couple of months everyone will forget this ever happened like it always does because people can't contain themselves and I can somehow understand it, why would a small indie dev that spent hundreds of hours developing their game spend another hundred hours to migrate everything to another engine. Asset flips can get fkd though. Freemium mobile games too.
@@avengedlol6698 I'm betting he actually just slaps "CEO of Unity engine for X years" onto the resume and people will orgasm when they see him available to deliver short term profit while simultaneously destroying another company. it's what these people want. companies to be converted into raw money, not to be profitable long-term
Here I was thinking Blizzard was gonna take first place in the “How to Destroy Your Company and Reputation” tournament. Unity literally walked up, said “Hold my Beer” and then promptly guaranteed “first place”. I’ve never seen such a masterclass in self-destruction before, and it’s insane that someone thought they needed to one-up Activision Blizzard of all companies in terms of being a horrible company.
Same here. I though it would be a three-way tie between Blizzard, EA and Ubisoft. Unity has been around since 2005 and they always pitched themselves as an alternative to big, corporate licensing agreements. And they just set themselves on fire in the most clueless, corporate, "greed is good" way possible.
19:00 Polygon investigated the "Death Threats", turns out it was only one threat, which came from one of their own developers. Riccitiello used it as an excuse to play victim.
Yeah which shows how the CEO is a stinky person. I bet he only wants to escape from the town hall meeting as a lot of Unity employees are also unhappy with the decision (as it might lead them to lose their job too if Unity has gone under)
The entire community unanimously decided that Unity Killed itself . It was like waking up to the sound of a gun going off, Only to find unity with a 12 gauge in what was its mouth.
except they look suspiciously like a sex-doll dressed like Unity and there's suddenly a new neighbor down the street with Groucho Marks glasses selling ads and offering people to recoup debts owed from the slain Unity for a fee.
By driving every respected videogame studio Westwood, Pandemic, Criterion, Ball Frog and Relic into financial collapse. EA's ceo always will be a money/data gouging piece of scum with no appreciation for well crafted works of art and escape. Hope he's got a good physician cus heartlessness is a bad condition.
You see Mutahar, the problem with switching is that it's not as easy as it seems. Plenty of people actually got specializations in Unity as an engine (such as a friend of mine, who managed to get his certification couple of months back). As such, if they were to switch to things like Godot or Unreal, they'd need to learn quite fast. Not to mention that there are games that are pretty much just about finished that were made in Unity, and porting them will take at least several months, if not a full year. It's not as easy as it sounds. Far from it. Then again, sometimes the things that you need to do, that are necessary for your own good are far from easy.
Those certifications won't be worth much anyway moving forward, so might as well face the harsh reality instead of sticking the head into the sand. Many devs turning away from unity (both short and long term) and end users being weary about anything Unity (more short term for sure) spells disaster for more recennt releases abnd future hiring chances alike.
These engines do have many things in common, so it shouldn't be as difficult to switch as it would be to start from scratch. But there will be a learning curve, and given how complex game development can be that learning curve can be quite steep. There will also be other costs in terms of time and money. If you're an indie developer thinking of starting a new project today, then I think avoiding Unity is a no brainer. Even if Unity is the engine you've specialized in, it's time to learn a different specialization. That happens in the computer industry quite a bit. If you're halfway through, or worse at the point of release, of a game made on Unity, then it's time to have a serious think about what you're going to do. It's possible that releasing the game on Unity under the current license may actually cause you to lose money. You might have to bite the bullet and incorporate Unity's ads to save your project financially. But regardless of what you decide for your current project, I suspect your NEXT one won't be relying on Unity. And that means programmers who have taken the time to specialize in developing with Unity should start looking to change their specializations right now.
weather its easy or not shouldnt even be a concern. if you decide to keep on the same road then you can not complain about the consequences. everyone that decides "its to hard" is only going to make their life 10x harder in the future/near future. you will sink yourself and the fault will be solely on yourself. your friend will have no one to blame but themselves if they decide "i will just deal with it" then when you are sunk because of the fees, you can not complain that its unfair. its your choice
They’ve been strong arming my company into higher rates for years. All the assets, previous works, and compatibility makes Unity attractive. We’ve started using Unreal on some of our new projects, and we’ll be pursuing further growth working with Epic.
I was about 75 percent through the develpment of my game when they started this. All that work down the drain, but I am enjoying development with Godot.
Don’t mind asking but what are you working on? Also is it possible to make a simple 2D game on that engine ? I wanna make a rogue lite game where you shoot monsters with your boots and you will gain rewards depending on the amount combos and every guns acts like a different jump type Double boot shotgun will obviously acts like a double jump and kills more enemies but you could also kill enemies by bouncing in them so it makes you think you might use the bullets as an actual jump rather than to kill enemies just so you wouldn’t touch the ground Also the other playable characters will have different play styles A samurai that dashes instead of killing enemies with jumps A tech engineer who doesn’t move but you can manage his bots and turrets to protect you instead I just wanna know how to make a game and how to start
@@ahmadmalaki8364it's very possible to make 2D & 3D games, as I now on my progress creating 2.5D game ( similiar to that octopath traveler ). But you see, Godot is relatively new in game's industry so you won't get enough tutorial in TH-cam, or put it simply just straight for the Godot's doc 😂. I'm using godot since version 2.7 btw, and now it's 4.+. All I can say is they're improving a lot !
it's a sickness that most companies have, they need to keep making more profits year over year ,,, forever. this is not sustainable and eventually this mentality ends up with the company destroying itself in an attempt to keep pleasing shareholders
@@Piss_Off_Plz All commercial companies want to make a profit. That's fair and reasonable. It's the ones who gouge their customers that need to be avoided like the plague they are. Capitalism isn't a bad thing, unless it's made up of monopolies or pseudo monopolies. That's the main issue with long term IP protection.
never underestimate the general lack of spine in the general population, I'd bet they don't even have to go back, all they need to do is meet people halfway and offer some candy to make sure enough people forget about this and start licking their boots. I hope I'm wrong
@@miguelnascimento2847If someone as big as Bud Light can be boycotted into oblivion, so can be anyone else, and I do hope that if they will go through with this BS, there gonna be lawsuits up the a**.
@@miguelnascimento2847 "Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment." People nowadays are stupid and easily manipulated. Politics proved that beyond a shadow of a doubt, never expect anything out of the average person, you'll be disappointed.
@@AtomicRobloxProductions If you're never disappointed, you'll never learn how to deal with it Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst, you need a balance of hope and cynicism, not just one or the other
Probably won't end in a lawsuit. But it probably will end in either Unity closing its doors, or they roll back these changes because I cannot see any developer being okay with this change.
Oh lord, Muta... Police actually investigated those "credible death threats". You know sent them? Not a developer... Not a player... Not a publisher... UNITYS OWN EMPLOYEE. One of their own employees was the one who sent said death threats that caused them to shut down their offices.
Unity were already in deep dog doo over claims of sexual assault against both male n female employees a couple of years prior to this current extortion racket junked up by the spineless ceo.
This is exactly what was going through my mind. They are using the same Hollywood strategy to blame the other side. What are the odds of this happening when pretty much every big and small game devs and studios are united in their disgust at this company?
What sucks about Unity potentially going under is that the only people hurt by it would be the rank and file peons just trying to make a good engine. All upper management will likely make out like bandits
thats why they need to be black listed and not allowed to work in the game industry anymore. it was their policies that ruined the company so they should be exiled out of it and never allowed to return to it.
I’ve been working on my own super simple 2D game engine, and this news makes me feel even more confident in my choice lol. No one can take away my own creation.
Making an engine from scratch can be incredibly rough and time consuming, I'd suggest hopping over to Godot. You can do whatever you want with the source code and it has a _massive_ 2D backend already made (along with an ever-improving 3D engine).
Well on the bright side I don’t need to waste any more time trying to learn it and switch to something else. I’ll probably start learning Godot now lmao
Actually they're in the best position. Not a huge loss to move to another engine if you just barely started. I feel for the devs who're two years into developing with Unity or, worse, developed a game with Unity two years ago that got super popular.
@@samusx2175 Well they have been running for quite a while so not a speedrun. Then again I don't know anything about how much money Disney has compared to Unity off the top of my head.
Wait, EA bought Renderware, another middleware ... huge at the time, in 2004. The purchase was finalized after Riccitiello left EA earlier that year, but he had to be involved in the initial decision to make the purchase and early negotiations. I remember a lot of game companies were screwed by the move because almost everybody who used a middleware renderer was using renderware at the time. So he knows how to tank commercial game engines, I'll give him that.
I can only hope all these game teams can migrate their projects to other engines in time. This monetization model makes Unity borderline unsustainable. Worst part is, it quite literally punishes you for making a game that becomes popular.
Sadly, it won't be enough time. Though it's enough time to "bully into oblivion" the company until they roll back the changes, _then_ it may be long enough to start migrating before they introduce another policy that does the same job
This is almost exactly what WoTC did recently regarding the D&D 5E OGL. Same corporate greed, same shady strategy, same backlash. I just cant figure out how blind and short sighted some CEOs can be... Hope they will 100% retract the changes, just like WoTC eventually did, but in both cases the damage was already done - throwing away years of accumulating trust.
This really feels like such an analogy to using Photoshop or GIMP. When I started using GIMP it was super janky but now it's really good and I think it's more intuitive than Photoshop. Meanwhile Photoshop has more functions and is industry standard but dealing with Adobe is AWFUL. I had to switch accounts and actually had to go in and delete my old account just to be able to log out.
@@CainXVIIDude, GIMP has been HUGE in my life. I started using it like MS paint as a young kid, and then I used it to make pixel art for my first video game. It improved so much and I would definitely love to see the same thing happen to Godot.
@@Dailyfiber_98 If people really start using it I am sure it will. Especially since I'm guessing the overlap in users and people who know a bit about programming is pretty big...
@@CainXVII I’m going to make the switch honestly. Not only will it help me keep my scope reasonable with less flashy tools, but it will help me learn programming more by leaning on my own skills and problem solving. All that and it will help grow a community that everyone can benefit from.
Worst part is that it seems like a damage beyond repair. Even if they say "it's a prank bro" and fire their entire corporate head by the end of September... I still don't see where they go from here.
Well, they certainly have to do that if they want to have any hope of staying afloat because otherwise, I can't see Unity not losing everything over this stunt.
9:04 Windows XP used to completely disable itself after enough time had passed without a license key. Microsoft gradually lifted the restrictions on each subsequent version of windows because they learned from that mistake.
Yeah, they became weirdly accommodating. I ran a pirated Win7 Ultimate on my first gaming PC because I hadn't budgeted quite enough for a legit license. After about 3 months, I got a pop-up saying that it was an illegal install. I could still use it, but would no longer receive updates. 2 weeks after that, I got an invitation to upgrade to a legit copy of Win10 Pro for free. Blew my mind as a child of the '80s.
@@ljessecusterl They rediscovered that capturing market share by looking the other way on piracy in order to ensure they keep their enterprise contracts was more valuable than trying to squeeze every little guy for license fees and incentivizing the pirates to alternatives.
@@ljessecusterlbruh I freaking loved my pirates windows 7 PC. Windows won me over after that for sure. Literally the only thing I couldn't do was set a wallpaper that lasted more than 24 hours, but everything else worked just fine.
I’m in college right now, and my game development teacher is wanting to use Unity for projects. College started before this was revealed, and I don’t think my professor knows about this situation, but still it’s kinda sad. I was hoping we were gonna use Unreal, and maybe we will at some point, but still this sucks.
The game that got me into indie development was Dust: An Elysian Tail, which was made with Unity. It's WHY I chose Unity as my engine and was initially proud to be learning it, despite people saying it wasn't as good as other engines. The amount of betrayal I feel is palpable.
"Now it would be illegal for us to turn Unity into spyware... So if you install this completely different program that's spyware, we'll drop all of our ludicrous fees!" - Unity Executives, probably.
As a developer, shit like this makes me so angry. As someone who makes audio tutorials for Unreal Engine...welcome all my new friends! In all seriousness though, for all devs who are/will be impacted by this, I'm very sorry you have to deal with this situation and I really hope they roll things back (regardless of the bad taste that will be left in some people's mouths) for the good of the deving community.
Is it just me or have anyone else noticed that companies have been getting more bold and are making more absurd decisions these past few years? wtf is happening
nope...unity making sure to kill itself...success of unreal or godot depends on community...maybe some new engine gets out..maybe microsoft build a new engine as they have been outpushing other giants in buying whole company of many aaa games........... if microsoft makes game engine, beware..that will be less engine more bloatware
@@kousik8042he makes a valid point, I'm working in unreal and all I can see these past few days are all kinds of posts from unity devs switching to Unreal.
Engines like Godot and MonoGame also use C# while being completely open source and public engines. I would recommend them as a beginning transition away from Unity.
@@st.altair4936 that's not really the issue here. the current CEO of unity is actually an ex-COO of EA (typically second in command to CEO), one of the most notoriously greedy companies out there. I have almost no doubt this is his doing. He has previously called other developers "Fucking idiots" for not focusing on monetisation in their games enough.
The company is dead. There is no recourse at this point. They have already proved that they are capable of something like this. A 100% backpedal would only prove that they're not only duplicitous, but also reactionary and shortsighted.
I made a comment in the last video, but I started learning Unity a couple weeks ago to take my first step into making my dream come true. The Unity story made things depressing for me, but honestly? Im glad this happened NOW, because I did not waste that much time. I only started a few weeks ago, finding something else to learn won’t take anytime at all
Same! Ive learned only a little bit ago, some stuff about unity and made a very small project, but now that this happened I too feel happy that it's easier for me to just switch early.
I don't know if it's coincidence but humble bundle has a bundle going on right now with courses and shit for Godot I barely know anything about game engines but I figured it was worth a mention if you were eyeing that one up
The funny thing is that Unity is not trying to fuck over gamers, which are stupid and will take a slap with a smile any day. But developers, learned people with years of experience who will know better than to bend over and take it. Unlike general controversies of companies being scum, i think the backlash from this might actually kill them.
That's kinda true. Devs problem solve all day long. They can spot a problem when they see one and know how to fix it. In this case, its full avoidance lol.
Ehh kinda true but let's be real, the people who are upset about this mostly are unity Indy devs that also started out as gamers. That's why we got into it. No need to insult gamers lol. But I know what u mean. Riccitello got used to being able to do whatever he wanted with no consequence. He's going to learn.
the absolute insanity of some games that could go bust from this is truly a wake up to keep these corporate heads in check and stop them ruining our enjoyment of games and other media.
I say the devs should all get together and do a class action lawsuit. That's the best way to resolve this and make Unity think twice about what they're doing. If there's a binding arbitration clause, I really hope it gets thrown out of court.
John Riccitiello has to be the most tone-deaf CEO in the Gaming Industry, especially in the Indie which Unity of course is used by alot of Indie devs. This is really scary considering the fact Cult of The Lamb will most likely delist off of Steam if Unity doesn't backtrack. Developers will just have to use other engines such as Unreal Engine (Which has it's own fair share of issues but nothing like Unity) and Godot.
Look at the group he has in the boardroom, investment bankers from all the big Wall Street firms. These guys aren't on the same planet with game developers and don't want to be.
He doesn't care about Unity, the company, the employees, or anything. He cares about his own personal income. If he can do something and cash out big in the short term and retire and go live his life with a big lump of extra cash.... knowing it would destroy everyone in his wake... he'll do it. He only cares about himself and would destroy anything and any person on purpose if he personally benefited from it in the way he wanted.
While we may have doubt on whether or not current Unity actually has a tracker to count who and on what device unity has been installed, they now made it even clearer there WILL be a tracker to count installs and that tracker may be doing more than just that. It's kind of impressive in its own way how a company managed to cross the point of no return in less than a few minutes.
Honestly, so many things in Godot has been so easy to do when in Unity I still had issues with it even after years of using it. That may be because Unity has way more features so it's harder to not break things and keep everything polished, but in Godot everything they have feels much more polished than in Unity. I definitely recommend it if you're a game dev and is considering abandoning Unity!
Humble bundle just started a bundle for Godot courses, no idea if it was god-like timing but it's available Especially if anyone's like me and bought one of the unity bundles thinking "I'm totally gonna use this" literal years ago
College was the only reason why i got Unity let alone free. But you can bet i will be having my eye locked on godot from now on. Unity will only be used for college (due to requirements) and anything i ever make from it will NEVER be sold. Once i graduate, Unity will be uninstalled on the same day.
Imagine buying a shovel, but then that shovel company tried to charge you every time you dig a hole. I've never seen a company completely destroy their entire everything so completely so quickly.
I want to mention Unigine and Flax Engine as alternatives besides Godot and Unreal. Superb engines that are worth checking out, this whole fiasco made me realize there's more fish in the sea besides Unity.
Perhaps you didn't know but apparently: the death threats came from within the company itself. Someone who works at Unity was so devastated by this announcement that they issued a death threat. However, the threat was reportedly called in from a remote office so not sure why the main office was closed.
@@LM-nb7rj LOL - makes sense! 🤣 I also heard that they were about to hold like a "town hall" type of meeting to talk with employees about this mess so maybe he was scared that the remote employee might not be the only one who wants to murder him after destroying their life's work with one dumb executive decision.
I was having fun rebuilding my classic car in Car Mechanic Simulator this weekend, then I realize it uses Unity. Thanks to Muta for informing me that I realize that a ton of Indie games are built using Unity Engine. I can't help but feel that the dick move that Unity is making is not only based on how short term thinking Douchietello is, but also lobbies fro bug names in the industry and big spenders that want to kill the Indie scene.
What i find amusing is how Unity does not consider that Devs just stop using unity. They dont have the only engine to develop games on. People can just use any of the other options or even build their own if they have the know how
The CEO is the same one who thinks gamers that play enough hours of a game will happily pay a dollar to reload. And right now he isn't wrong. So he's doing the same thing to extort devs. He thinks there will be shills and whales "too invested and loyal to leave". He doesn't realize Devs and game publishers aren't "just gamers". Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft aren't going to pay a dollar to reload.
Walking this back isn't going to do much for them at this point, they've already crossed the line. The only thing that's going to save them now is to ALSO secure developers safety from Unity by locking in agreeable pricing models. No one should ever trust them again until they legally protect us from themselves.
A day after the news on the pricing model, they upgraded the price target by 10 dollars and went from neutral to a buy citing that the new pricing mod will bring alot of money, which outweights the pushback.
In less than a week Unity went from "we dont have user end data so all charges will be estimates" to "we have government levels of tracking on downloads". Also, cant think of a quicker way to receive a class action. Imagine you went to Home Depot, bought a bunch of tools and materials to build a house, only for Home Depot to show up and say theyre going to charge you for that house every day. They would be in hot water faster than Unity's userbase leaving.
Well, Home Depot aren't at all shy about sharing purchase info and if you have given them an email for receipts... they tie that into the purchase info, so don't be surprised when bookface ask you to review your latest purchase, or use that info about you in an ad for someone else.
Even since John became CEO of EA their shares went to as low as only 1/3 of what they were prior to taking control, he resigned right after that, and as for Unity, ever since he became CEO the company, the only period that they were at a positive was during the pandemic
Inevitable for a for-profit company to do shady things _for profit_ Community-driven FOSS is your only friend. Godot is fantastic. If this influx of devs leads it to someday become an industry standard like Blender did, that'd be amazing.
I have a slightly different perspective. Unity went public *in the pandemic*, so the greedy guys falsely thought their stock price should actually be at $200. Their greedy blinded them when their stock went back to reality and they panicked thinking they lost money they never had. Edit: I can literally hear their thoughts: "If OnLy I SoLd At 2o0" 😂
I'm convinced it will be physically impossible to roll this out without Unity getting bumfucked by more lawsuits than they can deal with. I just hope the big boys like Microsoft and Valve put em on the execution block in time.
The best part is Unity will have installation confirmations sent back to them, so all it'll take is figuring out the IP address of the target server, a reliable way to spoof the confirmation packets for a specific game, and then rent out a botnet to ping the server at a quick, but believable rate to absolutely decimate a developer you've developed a grudge for. The cherry on top is that this is a money grubbing corporation, they're going to skimp on all but the most basic of security for the target server, making it easy pickings.
While unity is seemingly dead, I’m actually very intrigued at how a lot of these indie devs do with a new engine, and most of them split between godot, unreal, and others
Sadly affects alot of VR titles too, been getting emails about some games getting pulled that are unity based, can only imagine how many more "could" be pulled as well.
I am honestly shocked as to why they are so focused on "installations", this whole fiasco would be resolved if they defaulted to something like a purchase or revenue fee. It would obviously still be really shitty, but at least it would be mathematically impossible for any dev to owe them more money than they are making witht their game.
The problem with revenue is that it is hard to go after... They must force developers to provide them that data. And without existing explicit contract that is hard process... Instead rolling essentially a dice and coming up with random number is simpler as then you can just send threatening letter and a invoice...
I won't switch im just a free dev on it + i have been using it for 4 years and i have multiple games which i dont want to remaster for a different game engine
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Unity current CEO was Ceo of EA thats why this happen
Ea does it again killed off another good thing
Apparently, there are a bunch of market analysts saying this is a great time to buy unity stock because this change will be great for the company's growth. I think they thinking because games like Genshin and Honkai are locked into Unity they'll see millions and billions of potential revenue and the smaller only a few hundred thousand/million dollar companies just didn't factor in because these guys are looking at the billion dollar marks not million. Course Hoyo is in China and they can very well tell unity to get fucked and there really isn't anything they can do about it. Don't think they really feel a company that makes a mere 10 million in revenue is worth worrying about losing.
"90% of our customers will not be effected."
Unity, 90% of your customers are asset flippers...
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10% is a LOT of customers.
And your point is what exactly?
@@PhazonEnderThat the 10% that actually get affected is all the real developers instead of people making shovelware
Shovelware lmao
The death threats towards Unity didn't come from gamers, it came from Unity's own employees! John Riccitiello is quite literally the worst thing to ever happen to the gaming industry.
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This shows that there is a lack of unity within the company known as "unity". This is extremely ironic
@@logancracraftgaming7124 whats the point of the bait lmfao
Makes sense since he was the president and cheif operating officer of EA
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I love how the Slay the Spire devs put out a public statement saying they were switching their current Unity project (that they've been working on for two years) to another engine and the statement ended with "We have never made a public statement before. That is how badly you fucked up."
That's great, I love STS and don't wanna see any other dev I love using Unity anymore.
I love the statements that swear. The best one was by Truant Pixel, who accused the CEO/board members of being high on crack and hookers.
2 years?? Yikes, these are the Devs I truly feel the most for. Ones that will definitely cross that $100K Threshold AND are deep into a new project already. I pray their transition is quick and smooth.
@@elhazthorn918Aggro Crab and Innersloth. Good shit there btw.
Also Facepunch's lead dev partly.
Imagine if Home Depot decided to charge a construction company for every time someone saw the house that company built because they used tools from Home Depot
Bad comparison. Epic Games would charge you 5% after you've earned $1 million.
Its only about how much of a cut you're going to pay. In many cases, Unity's pricing ends up being less than you would pay to Epic Games.
Lets say a big company is selling a game for $20 to $60, and selling millions of copies, then the $0.15 to $0.01 (15 cents to 1 cent) per unique initial install, assuming this huge company has an Enterprise account, will not really affect them. Those pennies will be a tiny percentage of their revenue. Really, really, really small.
And you can make millions without ever having to pay Unity at all. If your game is $15 and you sell 150,000 copies, assuming that each sold for full price, you've earned $2,250,000 in revenue, and you shouldn't have to pay a single penny to Unity. Unity is still completely free.
Or, lets say you sell 750,000 copies of your game at $15. You've earned $11,250,000 in revenue, and you only have to pay Unity for a Pro license. That's all.
In each of those examples, the 5% that you would pay to Epic Games would cost more than Unity's new fees.
Lol @ construction companies considering home depot tools
@@Churdington You literally forgot about everything that makes this change bad. Think about indie devs for a sec that do not overmonetize their games, makes them free to play, gets discounts, becomes available in a game pass or becomes free for a week on epic games. Those are the ones in trouble.
@@Churdington Unity's fee is a flat fee for installs, not sales. Customers will continue to install and re-install (also on different systems) your game, independently of whether or not your game still manages to sell, and Unity pretends it's reasonable to charge you for that. You mentioned Epic and, in that case, how much you are paying is directly tied to how much you are earning, which isn't the case here.
The comparison is better than you are giving it credit for, since the house now costs you whether or not it is still making you money. The solution for the Home Depot problem is to either take down the house or rebuild it while using different tools. Similarly, game developers are either taking down their games or rebuilding them with another engine.
@@qnr3377 Reinstalls don't count. Demos don't count. Charity games don't count. And subscription services like GamePass don't count.
If you can't sum your previous 12 month's revenue to be more than the threshold of $200,000, then your new unique installs don't count. You don't pay anything.
If you stop earning money, and your revenue drops below your threshold, then you stop paying for new unique installs.
If you want to raise the threshold to $1 million over the last 12 months, then a Pro subscription is $2000 per year.
We've gone from "Turning Players Into Payers" to turning Devs into payers as well. Good lord, the gaming industry is lost and their endless greed is at fault.
It's not lost bro, cool it with the doomposting. This trend is beginning to fade away, because these idiot CEOs are starting to realise that the gaming industry isn't just a cash cow.
Walt till second game crash happens and see the new age of gaming starts from the scratch
@@qwefhj3011I hope to God that comes soon. I'm sick of Bitch Passes, Live Shitice, Microtranscams, incomplete games, and other nightmares of the modern game world
Turning 'Devs in payers' just makes players pay more to cover 'dev paying' part
@@qwefhj3011 A game crash like the one that happened in 1983 can't happen again.
Honestly, I get the feeling that if another game crash happens, it'll be because there's a general economic recession...
Quick note so-called "death threats" at this point appears to be a single death threat from an employee of Unity towards the CEO. Someone basically pointed out that, most likely, Unity's "PR machine" decided to turn the headlines from "Employee sends death threat to CEO who decides to shut offices" to "Unity receives death threats and shuts down for safety of employees": the latter gives the impression that external threat actors exist and pose risk to the frontline workers meanwhile the problem really lies between the CEO and this one particular employee over a situation that may (or may not) have to do with this current controversy.
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@@logancracraftgaming7124 outta grass to touch?
@@james_fisch Better chance of them touching moon dust before ever touching grass, tbh.
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I mean, to be fair they probably got death threats from other sources as well. Any company with more than 100k people aware of it is getting daily death threats and anytime they do an oopsie they get more.
Never seen a company that goes by the name Unity end up so divided from its own community. Guess its Opposite Day.
I didn't expect this either.
No no no, Unity united gamers, devs and pubishers against itself. I think it's on brand.
Very original
Unity is pretty trash. They should stick to DUNIA ENGINE
The irony is perfection 🤌
Unity really lives up to its name. They managed to make the entire gaming space unify to hate on them all at once. Big companies, Small companies, Publishers, Developer, Journos, Gamers.
Everyone Disliked That.
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Really impressive ain't it
@shottyman6013 yea, 15:56 what's next? Peace in the Middle East, end of the war in Ukraine or koren reunification?
The greed shown by the CEO of Unity made even Satan shudder...
@@TarsonTalonits a former ceo of EA
Even if they walk back every decision, I don't think a game dev would even want to use the engine knowing that the company could potentially pull this sh*t again.
In one day they've completely destroyed the trust they built. It would take decades to earn that trust back
I certainly never will use their engine again even if this is done away with!
It's like they WANT us to migrate to Unreal Engine!
@@TrianglePants seems that way I know I’ll be making the switch forever
@@chie5747 never
When the likes of Valve, Microsoft, Nintendo and EpicGames are on the hook, they will unleash the kind of response that will absolutely Thanos Snap all of Unity out of existence.
Man, Nintendo? You so much as publicly short Nintendo one red cent and they're on you like drunken, PO'd murder-hornets! This is gonna be really funny to watch.
i mean pokemon go and brilliant diamond/shining pearl were made in unity
Nintendo will suit you if you dare to make an indie game, dosn't matter whot the story is, that have a protagonist call mario
@@IaeyanElyuex Fun fact: "Murder hornets" are actually not very aggressive. I see them daily and sometimes even take close up macro photos of them.
You know when it's bad when even the Among Us Developers are speaking out against Unity.
Wasn't one of the developers the guy behind the Henry Stickmin series?
@@concept5631yeah Puffballs United he’s the co-founder of Innersloth
@@labfire8964 Man's winnin
@@concept5631was about to say this. Takes me back to the old days, I will be telling my nephews about the glory days before Amongus playing the Henry Stickmim games.
Amogus???
I'm no lawyer, but if i recall, updating the ToS retroactively is highly illegal. You are effectively changing a contract after the fact. Should these developers band together with a competent lawyer, they could easily fend off the vulture that runs Unity. At least for games released. Regardless, hope developers find a new engine from a company who respects their position. Even if rolled back, the fact is Unity tried to and is no longer a trustworthy engine/partner to use.
Yea no thats what I was thinking as well. A EULA is a contract that can have legal consequences therefore yes this is very much illegal.
We had excellent game engines before unity. We'll have them after.
this kind of licensing itself is illegal. This kind of contract would not be acceptable in my country because it’s unethical. I also think this will not work with data privacy regulations in europe.
Microsoft did this too with their Minecraft EULA. How these companies have not been sued into the ground is beyond me.
@@goofyahdemoman1134its because they have enough money to stall the legal system long enough that the other party either 1) goes broke or 2)gives up to not waste money or even 3)settles instead of going through the full case
According to polygon, the death threats seem to have originated from an unity employee.
The blowup about these death threats is most likely an attempt to garner sympathy for the Unity execs.
No Sympathy until John Ricitiello gets a Tomato in the face for every person he's pissed off.
@@janky477that would make ketchup more expensive than printer ink
No sympathy for big corporations never any
Maybe for personal devs who are overworked but never upper execs who are purely monetary driven soulless and specious
@@janky477
Let's just hope the shareholders see how fucked Unity truly is with this decision and jump ship.
Sadly, what we do, doesn't matter much, but what they do, will force Unity to panic.
Yeah recently Linus used the death threat ruse to garner sympathy too. Like they wouldn't have gotten even a single one of it if they had a proper workplace in the first place. Same with Marty Straton with Doom eternal soundtrack dispute. In Marty's case he pretty much made the threats up when no one initially was supporting Mick Gordon.
It's the equivalent of throwing your kid out of the house and then complain kid got assaulted in the streets. Like what does one expect the streets or the internet to be safe? The blame still lies on you.
You know what would be the biggest kick in the balls? Epic swooping in and offer to offset the cost of switching to Unreal for all these devs.
Now that really would be Epic
I could see it. They throw money onto open fires for less things.
That would be a very smart decision in terms of promotion and marketing (and probably get them big ammouts of cash)
Too bad Epic would still be a garbage-tier Chinese-run company.
@@TrianglePants epic games isn't even chinese run? literally 10 seconds looking at the wikipedia page shows that my guy
Making your own game engine isnt just a daunting task. Its a massive task that isnt worth it if you're a solo indie dev. Just reinventing the wheel
It's a lot better for the person though, you don't have to deal with the tech's license if you're making it, people can just as easily do the same thing again with their project's license.
@@sonicjoplus Not always. A lot of game engines are open source nowadays with no strings attatched
Godot is a good starting point if you don’t wanna make your own engine
It's funny how that the CEO of Unity is orginally the CEO of EA, that pretty much explains what is really going on, EA is still here being greedy once more 😂
force of habit?
EA CEO's and greed go hand and hand like peanut butter and jelly.
I remember hearing he once proposed adding micro-transactions to gun reloads, I can't remember the game it was tho
You can take the exec out of EA but you cant take the EA out of the exec.
It was battlefield and he wanted to add 1 dollar charge per reload back in 2011.
If you think about this in context of the CEO's previous statements it makes 100% sense that they'd do this. The CEO has been open about the fact he thinks every single game should be maximised for profit first and foremost, regardless of the developer's vision. Even going so far as to call developers who didn't want to utilise Unity's in engine advertising systems "F*cking idiots" as Muta said.
I don't think they actually plan to make all that much from the runtime fees. What I think they're trying to do with this is kill the notion that a good game can exist without extensive monetisation by actively punishing any developer who makes a popular game but doesn't monetise it. While I'm sure they planned to make some money from this change (assuming it doesn't kill the company) I believe it's more nefarious purpose is to force smaller, usually more artistically driven devs into thinking about every single user as a cost to profit dynamic.
That theory is soo sad and... well, I'm speechless because I can see it being the case, he is essentially applying season passes and microtransactions to game DEVs....
Imagine being fired from Electronic Arts because you were too stupid to make them money. That's like being fired from a casino.
And then, he sets an 18-year old company on fire because he doesn't understand where the money comes from. (content creators, not ads).
Honestly, this is just following the cycle of economics. Old companies get greedy the greed forces changes that ultimately fuck the platform before new ownership happens or new people create their own companies for this purpose and the process starts again. History is literally repeating itself. Come back to me in about 8 years when the next economic crash scare happens and companies start doing this stuff again. I'll be waiting. The people aren't getting enough say in the matter because we're letting them have all of it. Yeah, they get backlash. But they follow the cash flow. If a community truly wants it to change, the majority have to make it happen. Petitions only do so much. Oh, also, at least within the U.S. I'm pretty sure it's illegal on a federal level to do what Unity is attempting to do although I could be wrong on this.
That doesn’t really make sense because he would gain nothing from it. I don’t think he’s some super villain laughing while he sacrifices himself to make the world worse. Any small dev will just do what they did before but on Godot.
@@Syndicate._ greed makes people do unrealistic things.
If Unity doesn't roll back as soon as they can, they will most certainly be sued into oblivion. They need to be stopped.
They can't be sued until someone actually has to pay them the fee and gets standing to sue. Everybody will just stop using unity before that happens.
As much as I don't care for mobile games, Genshin Impact and a bunch of other giants are massive, run on Unity and have Tencent's backing.
I have faith that in an expensive legal battle, they're going to overwhelm Unity and either have the whole thing dismissed or at least set a good precedent for other developers to push back.@@gnohms
Even if they reverse this decision the damage to their reputation is already gone.
Nah, they don’t need to be stopped. Let them destroy themselves.
even if they roll back its bridge they already burned. Goodbye and good riddance
Imagine writing a program in C# with VSCode, and Microsoft demanding an installation fee for every download after your program becomes successful. Microsoft is scummy, but I don't even think THEY would stoop THAT low.
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Sounds like Linux gaming is about to get very popular, even as a just incase. Suddenly feel the need to learn linux..
The Wizard wants a $0,20 fee to install this software
Microsoft and Oracle already have variable licensing cost for Enterprise subscriptions based on expected consumer usage of a solution. Just that it's the "you're the product" "free". How else do you think Larry Ellison can brag they have data of 5billion people and need to finish the remaining 2billion. Enterprise solutions using Java has to give up good dept of consumer data to them. You can't even download their runtime now without signing up.
This issue should have been raised when variable licensing happened. Since it was agreed then, I can get some logic why Unity thinks the variability is subverted using microtransactions intentionally or unintentionally.
Don't give them any ideas. They are already attempting to monetize frameworks that were once open source.
The CEO should be fired and legally declared never again to be left in charge of a company.
No company would hire him if he manages to ruin Unity. They'll probably back out of this and in a couple of months everyone will forget this ever happened like it always does because people can't contain themselves and I can somehow understand it, why would a small indie dev that spent hundreds of hours developing their game spend another hundred hours to migrate everything to another engine. Asset flips can get fkd though. Freemium mobile games too.
@@avengedlol6698 See you in a few months
@@avengedlol6698 I'm betting he actually just slaps "CEO of Unity engine for X years" onto the resume and people will orgasm when they see him available to deliver short term profit while simultaneously destroying another company. it's what these people want. companies to be converted into raw money, not to be profitable long-term
Here I was thinking Blizzard was gonna take first place in the “How to Destroy Your Company and Reputation” tournament. Unity literally walked up, said “Hold my Beer” and then promptly guaranteed “first place”.
I’ve never seen such a masterclass in self-destruction before, and it’s insane that someone thought they needed to one-up Activision Blizzard of all companies in terms of being a horrible company.
Blizzard already died over a decade ago when they merged with activision.
There is basically zero original devs there
wasn't there a pc manufacturer channel / company that died in 24hours over some shady shit with there give aways
Same here. I though it would be a three-way tie between Blizzard, EA and Ubisoft. Unity has been around since 2005 and they always pitched themselves as an alternative to big, corporate licensing agreements. And they just set themselves on fire in the most clueless, corporate, "greed is good" way possible.
@@tyrindel Yeah, Riccitelo has a long way to go if he wants to beat Katz's speedrun.
Marvel's comics division? Wizards of the Coast? Konami? Kingsisle?
19:00 Polygon investigated the "Death Threats", turns out it was only one threat, which came from
one of their own developers. Riccitiello used it as an excuse to play victim.
God even Polygon are the good guys in this scenario.
@@SlainByTheWire That on its own says a lot. What a disaster.
Yeah which shows how the CEO is a stinky person. I bet he only wants to escape from the town hall meeting as a lot of Unity employees are also unhappy with the decision (as it might lead them to lose their job too if Unity has gone under)
Holy Crap even polygon yikes HAHAHAHA
The entire community unanimously decided that Unity Killed itself .
It was like waking up to the sound of a gun going off,
Only to find unity with a 12 gauge in what was its mouth.
Beautifully written.
most american comment i've seen in the last few weeks.
Nah, they straight up went for 4 gauge
except they look suspiciously like a sex-doll dressed like Unity and there's suddenly a new neighbor down the street with Groucho Marks glasses selling ads and offering people to recoup debts owed from the slain Unity for a fee.
@@ZanathKariashi Damn 😂🔥🔥🔥
What's crazy about this drama is that there aren't any hot takes. The community is responding as a homogenous entity and helping their changes.
In hindsight, System Shock Remake switching from Unity to Unreal was a smart move.
The CEO really out there letting everyone know how he made EA a shitstorm back then.
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By driving every respected videogame studio Westwood, Pandemic, Criterion, Ball Frog and Relic into financial collapse. EA's ceo always will be a money/data gouging piece of scum with no appreciation for well crafted works of art and escape. Hope he's got a good physician cus heartlessness is a bad condition.
You see Mutahar, the problem with switching is that it's not as easy as it seems. Plenty of people actually got specializations in Unity as an engine (such as a friend of mine, who managed to get his certification couple of months back). As such, if they were to switch to things like Godot or Unreal, they'd need to learn quite fast. Not to mention that there are games that are pretty much just about finished that were made in Unity, and porting them will take at least several months, if not a full year. It's not as easy as it sounds. Far from it. Then again, sometimes the things that you need to do, that are necessary for your own good are far from easy.
What about games that are already released, but are having to be unlisted (such as Rain World)?
Those certifications won't be worth much anyway moving forward, so might as well face the harsh reality instead of sticking the head into the sand.
Many devs turning away from unity (both short and long term) and end users being weary about anything Unity (more short term for sure) spells disaster for more recennt releases abnd future hiring chances alike.
These engines do have many things in common, so it shouldn't be as difficult to switch as it would be to start from scratch. But there will be a learning curve, and given how complex game development can be that learning curve can be quite steep. There will also be other costs in terms of time and money. If you're an indie developer thinking of starting a new project today, then I think avoiding Unity is a no brainer. Even if Unity is the engine you've specialized in, it's time to learn a different specialization. That happens in the computer industry quite a bit.
If you're halfway through, or worse at the point of release, of a game made on Unity, then it's time to have a serious think about what you're going to do. It's possible that releasing the game on Unity under the current license may actually cause you to lose money. You might have to bite the bullet and incorporate Unity's ads to save your project financially. But regardless of what you decide for your current project, I suspect your NEXT one won't be relying on Unity. And that means programmers who have taken the time to specialize in developing with Unity should start looking to change their specializations right now.
Switch when you make the next game. It will still take time to learn and remake assets. But the risk of not switching may be higher than not.
weather its easy or not shouldnt even be a concern. if you decide to keep on the same road then you can not complain about the consequences. everyone that decides "its to hard" is only going to make their life 10x harder in the future/near future. you will sink yourself and the fault will be solely on yourself. your friend will have no one to blame but themselves if they decide "i will just deal with it" then when you are sunk because of the fees, you can not complain that its unfair. its your choice
Unity is doing an amazing job ensuring the success of open source game engines.
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@@logancracraftgaming7124Were you lobotomized?
They’ve been strong arming my company into higher rates for years. All the assets, previous works, and compatibility makes Unity attractive.
We’ve started using Unreal on some of our new projects, and we’ll be pursuing further growth working with Epic.
I was about 75 percent through the develpment of my game when they started this. All that work down the drain, but I am enjoying development with Godot.
Have you ever considered making devlogs?
Don’t mind asking but what are you working on? Also is it possible to make a simple 2D game on that engine ? I wanna make a rogue lite game where you shoot monsters with your boots and you will gain rewards depending on the amount combos and every guns acts like a different jump type
Double boot shotgun will obviously acts like a double jump and kills more enemies but you could also kill enemies by bouncing in them so it makes you think you might use the bullets as an actual jump rather than to kill enemies just so you wouldn’t touch the ground
Also the other playable characters will have different play styles
A samurai that dashes instead of killing enemies with jumps
A tech engineer who doesn’t move but you can manage his bots and turrets to protect you instead
I just wanna know how to make a game and how to start
@@ahmadmalaki8364it's very possible to make 2D & 3D games, as I now on my progress creating 2.5D game ( similiar to that octopath traveler ).
But you see, Godot is relatively new in game's industry so you won't get enough tutorial in TH-cam, or put it simply just straight for the Godot's doc 😂.
I'm using godot since version 2.7 btw, and now it's 4.+. All I can say is they're improving a lot !
@@ahmadmalaki8364 Sigh...
This is what happens when your company is based around making more money, rather than making a good product with the intent of making money
it's a sickness that most companies have, they need to keep making more profits year over year ,,, forever. this is not sustainable and eventually this mentality ends up with the company destroying itself in an attempt to keep pleasing shareholders
So basically, all companies.
@@Piss_Off_Plz All commercial companies want to make a profit. That's fair and reasonable. It's the ones who gouge their customers that need to be avoided like the plague they are. Capitalism isn't a bad thing, unless it's made up of monopolies or pseudo monopolies. That's the main issue with long term IP protection.
I agree I think they'll tank their stock, then back pedal to get the $$$
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Unity died the moment they issued those new draconian monetization ideas. Even if they go back now, the damage is done
never underestimate the general lack of spine in the general population, I'd bet they don't even have to go back, all they need to do is meet people halfway and offer some candy to make sure enough people forget about this and start licking their boots. I hope I'm wrong
@@miguelnascimento2847 I hope you are as well, but cynicism rarely leads to being wrong about the faults of human nature.
@@miguelnascimento2847If someone as big as Bud Light can be boycotted into oblivion, so can be anyone else, and I do hope that if they will go through with this BS, there gonna be lawsuits up the a**.
@@miguelnascimento2847 "Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment."
People nowadays are stupid and easily manipulated. Politics proved that beyond a shadow of a doubt, never expect anything out of the average person, you'll be disappointed.
@@AtomicRobloxProductions
If you're never disappointed, you'll never learn how to deal with it
Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst, you need a balance of hope and cynicism, not just one or the other
Unity CEO just wants to prove he's better than Elon at ruining a brand.
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Elon "free speech but only if you agree with the ADL" Musk did what he did on purpose.
Devs had that "Turn players into payers" conversation years ago and didnt think "Hey...wait...what if they do this to us with their engines...."
This can only end in a massive class action lawsuit.
You can't just try to squeeze money out of games that got developped under another agreement.
Unfortunately, they have in the ToS that they can change that agreement at any time for any reason. I’m not sure anything can be done legally.
Probably won't end in a lawsuit. But it probably will end in either Unity closing its doors, or they roll back these changes because I cannot see any developer being okay with this change.
@billymay8461 ToS aren't legally binding. They don't allow you to do everything you want, especially retroactively.
@billymay8461 there would be a good argument to strike that provision for unconscionability
@@billymay8461 sneakily changing the tos without informing everyone who used it first under the previous tos is illegal
Oh lord, Muta... Police actually investigated those "credible death threats". You know sent them? Not a developer... Not a player... Not a publisher... UNITYS OWN EMPLOYEE.
One of their own employees was the one who sent said death threats that caused them to shut down their offices.
Well, he tried... Now let's hope he'll not be charged and will be employed in much better company
Are we sure he didn't threaten them *after* they shut down the offices? lol
Unity were already in deep dog doo over claims of sexual assault against both male n female employees a couple of years prior to this current extortion racket junked up by the spineless ceo.
@@GiuseppeGaetanoSabatelliI suspect that is what happened.
This is exactly what was going through my mind. They are using the same Hollywood strategy to blame the other side. What are the odds of this happening when pretty much every big and small game devs and studios are united in their disgust at this company?
What sucks about Unity potentially going under is that the only people hurt by it would be the rank and file peons just trying to make a good engine. All upper management will likely make out like bandits
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yeah :(
They did insider trading so THEY ABSOLUTELY KNOW what their doing
thats why they need to be black listed and not allowed to work in the game industry anymore. it was their policies that ruined the company so they should be exiled out of it and never allowed to return to it.
They flipped so much stock even my grandpa is talking about it.
I’ve been working on my own super simple 2D game engine, and this news makes me feel even more confident in my choice lol. No one can take away my own creation.
Making an engine from scratch can be incredibly rough and time consuming, I'd suggest hopping over to Godot. You can do whatever you want with the source code and it has a _massive_ 2D backend already made (along with an ever-improving 3D engine).
Unless i steal your harddrive
What if I store it in the cloud 🤨
what if cloud starts raining😂 just joking . good luck bro@@andrewevenson2657
@@andrewevenson2657still coming for it in a hot air balloon :)
I feel really bad for the people who only recently started to learn how to use Unity only for them to do this
Well on the bright side I don’t need to waste any more time trying to learn it and switch to something else. I’ll probably start learning Godot now lmao
Actually they're in the best position. Not a huge loss to move to another engine if you just barely started. I feel for the devs who're two years into developing with Unity or, worse, developed a game with Unity two years ago that got super popular.
This is a good excuse for me to procrastinate learning Blender
@@pogCibihumble is running a bundle for Godot (not sponsored, I just think it's funny and it's a slam dunk)
@SlumbrTracks idk, 'recently' can mean like a few weeks. Wasted time is wasted time :p
John is the type of guy to be visited by three ghosts every Christmas.
A completely respecable time for the speedrunning your own demise category. Good luck to all future companies looking to test out the run! 🙌
Disney is on that run.
@@samusx2175Disney has been on that run for a few years now, they are waaaaay too slow to get a respectable time on the leaderboard
@@samusx2175 Well they have been running for quite a while so not a speedrun. Then again I don't know anything about how much money Disney has compared to Unity off the top of my head.
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@@logancracraftgaming7124you are not funny.
Wait, EA bought Renderware, another middleware ... huge at the time, in 2004. The purchase was finalized after Riccitiello left EA earlier that year, but he had to be involved in the initial decision to make the purchase and early negotiations. I remember a lot of game companies were screwed by the move because almost everybody who used a middleware renderer was using renderware at the time. So he knows how to tank commercial game engines, I'll give him that.
I can only hope all these game teams can migrate their projects to other engines in time. This monetization model makes Unity borderline unsustainable. Worst part is, it quite literally punishes you for making a game that becomes popular.
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IGNORE THE TROLLS
Sadly, it won't be enough time.
Though it's enough time to "bully into oblivion" the company until they roll back the changes, _then_ it may be long enough to start migrating before they introduce another policy that does the same job
This is almost exactly what WoTC did recently regarding the D&D 5E OGL. Same corporate greed, same shady strategy, same backlash. I just cant figure out how blind and short sighted some CEOs can be... Hope they will 100% retract the changes, just like WoTC eventually did, but in both cases the damage was already done - throwing away years of accumulating trust.
they don't give a fuck, they just want money
the only reason i ever trust WOTC rn ever is when i'm buying/playing Magic The Gathering.
@@BjornTorbs not smart to ever trust any company. time will inevitably deliver you disappointment if you do
This whole situation is actually kinda good, now Godot can improve as the community grows and adds more and streamlined features as it's open source.
This really feels like such an analogy to using Photoshop or GIMP. When I started using GIMP it was super janky but now it's really good and I think it's more intuitive than Photoshop. Meanwhile Photoshop has more functions and is industry standard but dealing with Adobe is AWFUL. I had to switch accounts and actually had to go in and delete my old account just to be able to log out.
@@CainXVIIDude, GIMP has been HUGE in my life. I started using it like MS paint as a young kid, and then I used it to make pixel art for my first video game. It improved so much and I would definitely love to see the same thing happen to Godot.
@@Dailyfiber_98 If people really start using it I am sure it will. Especially since I'm guessing the overlap in users and people who know a bit about programming is pretty big...
@@CainXVII I’m going to make the switch honestly. Not only will it help me keep my scope reasonable with less flashy tools, but it will help me learn programming more by leaning on my own skills and problem solving.
All that and it will help grow a community that everyone can benefit from.
@@Dailyfiber_98 good luck!!
The fact that the CEO of unity is the same guy who used to run EA means we shouldn’t have been surprised when all this shit hit the fan
Worst part is that it seems like a damage beyond repair. Even if they say "it's a prank bro" and fire their entire corporate head by the end of September... I still don't see where they go from here.
Well, they certainly have to do that if they want to have any hope of staying afloat because otherwise, I can't see Unity not losing everything over this stunt.
9:04 Windows XP used to completely disable itself after enough time had passed without a license key. Microsoft gradually lifted the restrictions on each subsequent version of windows because they learned from that mistake.
Yeah, they became weirdly accommodating. I ran a pirated Win7 Ultimate on my first gaming PC because I hadn't budgeted quite enough for a legit license. After about 3 months, I got a pop-up saying that it was an illegal install. I could still use it, but would no longer receive updates. 2 weeks after that, I got an invitation to upgrade to a legit copy of Win10 Pro for free. Blew my mind as a child of the '80s.
@@ljessecusterl They rediscovered that capturing market share by looking the other way on piracy in order to ensure they keep their enterprise contracts was more valuable than trying to squeeze every little guy for license fees and incentivizing the pirates to alternatives.
WinRAR infinite 40-day free trial
@@ljessecusterlbruh I freaking loved my pirates windows 7 PC. Windows won me over after that for sure. Literally the only thing I couldn't do was set a wallpaper that lasted more than 24 hours, but everything else worked just fine.
@@Kromiballexcuse me sir winRaR is NOT free software😊
I’m in college right now, and my game development teacher is wanting to use Unity for projects. College started before this was revealed, and I don’t think my professor knows about this situation, but still it’s kinda sad. I was hoping we were gonna use Unreal, and maybe we will at some point, but still this sucks.
Then say it’s a dead end engine
Tell your teacher about this immediately, your professor will likely thank you if they didn't know already.
Also my condolences
@@hail2jigglypuff168 When I get the chance, I will.
Developed my own game engine using Python and Pygame modules, it sucked to finish but it's nice to have your own things
Damn...alot of my favorite obscure games are made in Unity...hope the companies don't go bankrupt...
Archive them.
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@@logancracraftgaming7124 aight
Just download the games dawg
The game that got me into indie development was Dust: An Elysian Tail, which was made with Unity. It's WHY I chose Unity as my engine and was initially proud to be learning it, despite people saying it wasn't as good as other engines. The amount of betrayal I feel is palpable.
"Now it would be illegal for us to turn Unity into spyware... So if you install this completely different program that's spyware, we'll drop all of our ludicrous fees!"
- Unity Executives, probably.
I never thought a company would blow itself up as badly as Wizards of the Coast did, but color me shocked....
This is acctually a good thing. It will persuade other companies to think thrice about going through with this
As a developer, shit like this makes me so angry. As someone who makes audio tutorials for Unreal Engine...welcome all my new friends! In all seriousness though, for all devs who are/will be impacted by this, I'm very sorry you have to deal with this situation and I really hope they roll things back (regardless of the bad taste that will be left in some people's mouths) for the good of the deving community.
Is it just me or have anyone else noticed that companies have been getting more bold and are making more absurd decisions these past few years? wtf is happening
simple money
The start of the collapse of humanity
Late stage capitalism
The line always has to go up...
not enough Battles of Blair Mountain to remind them who is the majority.
@@HumongousFish Collapse of Capitalism, not humanity. Humanity has long existed before it and will long exist without it again.
Unity is doing a great job ensuring the success of UE5.
And Godot.
nope...unity making sure to kill itself...success of unreal or godot depends on community...maybe some new engine gets out..maybe microsoft build a new engine as they have been outpushing other giants in buying whole company of many aaa games...........
if microsoft makes game engine, beware..that will be less engine more bloatware
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@@kousik8042he makes a valid point, I'm working in unreal and all I can see these past few days are all kinds of posts from unity devs switching to Unreal.
Source2.
As somebody who is currently trying to learn unity to create games, it hurts me that all this progress is making me come to a decision.
My condolences.
Always a risk to rely on proprietary software. Even reputable companies can game-end themselves and/or their community whenever they want.
Engines like Godot and MonoGame also use C# while being completely open source and public engines.
I would recommend them as a beginning transition away from Unity.
@@st.altair4936 that's not really the issue here. the current CEO of unity is actually an ex-COO of EA (typically second in command to CEO), one of the most notoriously greedy companies out there. I have almost no doubt this is his doing. He has previously called other developers "Fucking idiots" for not focusing on monetisation in their games enough.
It'd be more of a loss if you had a project already going in it - as it stands, you can take your learning and apply it to another engine.
They are 100% going to backpedal. Going through with this would literally kill the company
The company is dead. There is no recourse at this point. They have already proved that they are capable of something like this. A 100% backpedal would only prove that they're not only duplicitous, but also reactionary and shortsighted.
They are 100% done for no matter what they choose. I think maybe the only thing that can save them is if the CEO is fired or someone else buys them.
You can't un-screw a pregnant woman, the damage has already been done.
No self-respecting business trusts them now, the company might as well be dead.
I'm betting that's the plan (killing the company) someone obviously wants it dead and to squeeze a few dollars out in the process
They've already killed their company even entertaining this
I feel so graciously lucky that when I started developing my game, i was choosing between unity, and game maker. I am so glad that I chose game maker.
Game Maker is lowkey great, I used to work with the devs and they really know their stuff
I made a comment in the last video, but I started learning Unity a couple weeks ago to take my first step into making my dream come true. The Unity story made things depressing for me, but honestly? Im glad this happened NOW, because I did not waste that much time. I only started a few weeks ago, finding something else to learn won’t take anytime at all
Same! Ive learned only a little bit ago, some stuff about unity and made a very small project, but now that this happened I too feel happy that it's easier for me to just switch early.
I don't know if it's coincidence but humble bundle has a bundle going on right now with courses and shit for Godot
I barely know anything about game engines but I figured it was worth a mention if you were eyeing that one up
The funny thing is that Unity is not trying to fuck over gamers, which are stupid and will take a slap with a smile any day. But developers, learned people with years of experience who will know better than to bend over and take it. Unlike general controversies of companies being scum, i think the backlash from this might actually kill them.
That's kinda true. Devs problem solve all day long. They can spot a problem when they see one and know how to fix it. In this case, its full avoidance lol.
Ehh kinda true but let's be real, the people who are upset about this mostly are unity Indy devs that also started out as gamers. That's why we got into it. No need to insult gamers lol. But I know what u mean. Riccitello got used to being able to do whatever he wanted with no consequence. He's going to learn.
Almost as if the unity devs customer isn't gamers but developers.
the absolute insanity of some games that could go bust from this is truly a wake up to keep these corporate heads in check and stop them ruining our enjoyment of games and other media.
I say the devs should all get together and do a class action lawsuit. That's the best way to resolve this and make Unity think twice about what they're doing. If there's a binding arbitration clause, I really hope it gets thrown out of court.
Unity has stood by their name in uniting everyone against them
John Riccitiello has to be the most tone-deaf CEO in the Gaming Industry, especially in the Indie which Unity of course is used by alot of Indie devs. This is really scary considering the fact Cult of The Lamb will most likely delist off of Steam if Unity doesn't backtrack. Developers will just have to use other engines such as Unreal Engine (Which has it's own fair share of issues but nothing like Unity) and Godot.
Look at the group he has in the boardroom, investment bankers from all the big Wall Street firms. These guys aren't on the same planet with game developers and don't want to be.
Cult of the Lamb won't delist, it was a joke
Apparently he had said that Indie devs are stupid because he doesn’t agree with them not wanting to milk their fan base wallet dry.
he was even an EA ceo , after this unity disaster, companies should just blacklist this guy from anything game related.
He doesn't care about Unity, the company, the employees, or anything. He cares about his own personal income. If he can do something and cash out big in the short term and retire and go live his life with a big lump of extra cash.... knowing it would destroy everyone in his wake... he'll do it. He only cares about himself and would destroy anything and any person on purpose if he personally benefited from it in the way he wanted.
While we may have doubt on whether or not current Unity actually has a tracker to count who and on what device unity has been installed, they now made it even clearer there WILL be a tracker to count installs and that tracker may be doing more than just that. It's kind of impressive in its own way how a company managed to cross the point of no return in less than a few minutes.
Dealing with Game studios is something different than dealing with Redditors
Honestly, so many things in Godot has been so easy to do when in Unity I still had issues with it even after years of using it.
That may be because Unity has way more features so it's harder to not break things and keep everything polished, but in Godot everything they have feels much more polished than in Unity.
I definitely recommend it if you're a game dev and is considering abandoning Unity!
Humble bundle just started a bundle for Godot courses, no idea if it was god-like timing but it's available
Especially if anyone's like me and bought one of the unity bundles thinking "I'm totally gonna use this" literal years ago
College was the only reason why i got Unity let alone free. But you can bet i will be having my eye locked on godot from now on. Unity will only be used for college (due to requirements) and anything i ever make from it will NEVER be sold.
Once i graduate, Unity will be uninstalled on the same day.
Imagine buying a shovel, but then that shovel company tried to charge you every time you dig a hole.
I've never seen a company completely destroy their entire everything so completely so quickly.
wait, that's the best way to describe the situation lmao
Don't car companies and other shit do exactly that?
@@dark.2410litteraly 😂
Fun fact. They wanted to announce the change on 9/11 but someone said, "No, don't make it too obvious.".
Cringe
I want to mention Unigine and Flax Engine as alternatives besides Godot and Unreal.
Superb engines that are worth checking out, this whole fiasco made me realize there's more fish in the sea besides Unity.
Also Hazel which is yet to release
@@dkas2690 I didn't know that, I've been following The Cherno for a while, I loved his OpenGL series.
Perhaps you didn't know but apparently: the death threats came from within the company itself. Someone who works at Unity was so devastated by this announcement that they issued a death threat. However, the threat was reportedly called in from a remote office so not sure why the main office was closed.
Because that's the office that John Riccitiello works at 😂
@@LM-nb7rj LOL - makes sense! 🤣
I also heard that they were about to hold like a "town hall" type of meeting to talk with employees about this mess so maybe he was scared that the remote employee might not be the only one who wants to murder him after destroying their life's work with one dumb executive decision.
@@jmarino715Resentment spreads like wildfire...and I don't blame them one bit.
I was having fun rebuilding my classic car in Car Mechanic Simulator this weekend, then I realize it uses Unity. Thanks to Muta for informing me that I realize that a ton of Indie games are built using Unity Engine. I can't help but feel that the dick move that Unity is making is not only based on how short term thinking Douchietello is, but also lobbies fro bug names in the industry and big spenders that want to kill the Indie scene.
Yellow Vest protests in France saw people kidnapping CEOs and not letting them go until they agreed to their demands.
Ehm....
Anyway.
What i find amusing is how Unity does not consider that Devs just stop using unity. They dont have the only engine to develop games on. People can just use any of the other options or even build their own if they have the know how
They're acting like their product is the best and would be worth choosing over others even if one has to pay per install. But it's not
The CEO is the same one who thinks gamers that play enough hours of a game will happily pay a dollar to reload. And right now he isn't wrong. So he's doing the same thing to extort devs. He thinks there will be shills and whales "too invested and loyal to leave". He doesn't realize Devs and game publishers aren't "just gamers". Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft aren't going to pay a dollar to reload.
They think they are Microsoft with Windows
not only they killed their company, they killed thousands of games
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@@logancracraftgaming7124😐
Walking this back isn't going to do much for them at this point, they've already crossed the line. The only thing that's going to save them now is to ALSO secure developers safety from Unity by locking in agreeable pricing models. No one should ever trust them again until they legally protect us from themselves.
nope. good riddance!
My appreciation for Godot's existence has just increased as much as Unity's subscribers have dropped.
A day after the news on the pricing model, they upgraded the price target by 10 dollars and went from neutral to a buy citing that the new pricing mod will bring alot of money, which outweights the pushback.
In less than a week Unity went from "we dont have user end data so all charges will be estimates" to "we have government levels of tracking on downloads". Also, cant think of a quicker way to receive a class action. Imagine you went to Home Depot, bought a bunch of tools and materials to build a house, only for Home Depot to show up and say theyre going to charge you for that house every day. They would be in hot water faster than Unity's userbase leaving.
It gets funnier once you realize they are gonna get in courts against companies like valve Nintendo and disney
Going against DIsney, oh boy...@@dankmemes8254
Well, Home Depot aren't at all shy about sharing purchase info and if you have given them an email for receipts... they tie that into the purchase info, so don't be surprised when bookface ask you to review your latest purchase, or use that info about you in an ad for someone else.
Yeah that's a pretty spot-on and hilarious analogy actually. Buying tools, making object, seller of tools demanding revenue from object.
unity be doing the "kill the company" any% glitchless speedrun world record attempt
Even since John became CEO of EA their shares went to as low as only 1/3 of what they were prior to taking control, he resigned right after that, and as for Unity, ever since he became CEO the company, the only period that they were at a positive was during the pandemic
Inevitable for a for-profit company to do shady things _for profit_
Community-driven FOSS is your only friend. Godot is fantastic.
If this influx of devs leads it to someday become an industry standard like Blender did, that'd be amazing.
Not necessarily. But few have the strength to choose otherwise.
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I have a slightly different perspective. Unity went public *in the pandemic*, so the greedy guys falsely thought their stock price should actually be at $200. Their greedy blinded them when their stock went back to reality and they panicked thinking they lost money they never had.
Edit: I can literally hear their thoughts: "If OnLy I SoLd At 2o0" 😂
Unity should have announced this change on September 11th, one day earlier. Would have been pretty appropriate for them.
If this goes as they plan, don't be surprised if they start charging for executing the game in a couple years
“Hmm that’s a good idea.” - John Riccitiello
If the game is only available web based, that's what they're doing now
I'm convinced it will be physically impossible to roll this out without Unity getting bumfucked by more lawsuits than they can deal with.
I just hope the big boys like Microsoft and Valve put em on the execution block in time.
Nintendo with lovecraft-horror levels of lawsuits when they remember about pokemon GO
@@Koda.R not just, Fire Emblem Engage also uses unity.
Microsoft owns Github, and with that shady TOS change, it'd be a miracle for Unity to win any lawsuits made against it for this
@@Koda.R Oh lord when you press Nintendo legally you awaken Kenshiro fist of the northstar levels of annhillation.
And then you remember Marvel Snap is ran by unity.
Which is owned by DISNEY.
Unity is going 6ft Under with this, without a doubt
19:06 The death threat came from a Unity employee. Let that sink in
"who killed Hannibal?"
The best part is Unity will have installation confirmations sent back to them, so all it'll take is figuring out the IP address of the target server, a reliable way to spoof the confirmation packets for a specific game, and then rent out a botnet to ping the server at a quick, but believable rate to absolutely decimate a developer you've developed a grudge for.
The cherry on top is that this is a money grubbing corporation, they're going to skimp on all but the most basic of security for the target server, making it easy pickings.
While unity is seemingly dead, I’m actually very intrigued at how a lot of these indie devs do with a new engine, and most of them split between godot, unreal, and others
Unity is the best marking team for Godot
Like Elon Musk and Mastodon
Sadly affects alot of VR titles too, been getting emails about some games getting pulled that are unity based, can only imagine how many more "could" be pulled as well.
I am honestly shocked as to why they are so focused on "installations", this whole fiasco would be resolved if they defaulted to something like a purchase or revenue fee. It would obviously still be really shitty, but at least it would be mathematically impossible for any dev to owe them more money than they are making witht their game.
I think it has to do with f2p games that rely on microtransactions where there is no purchase
The problem with revenue is that it is hard to go after... They must force developers to provide them that data. And without existing explicit contract that is hard process...
Instead rolling essentially a dice and coming up with random number is simpler as then you can just send threatening letter and a invoice...
@@_Ekaros unreal's doing fine...
You explained the issues, what Unity is and how it works very well. Thank you for this video ❤
Godot is extreamlly beginner friendly too and very rewarding to use
6:23
> buy game
> don't install it
> pirate the game you bought
> install the pirated version
> dev don't get charged
Unity should be taught as a case study in B-schools on how NOT to operate your business lmao
Funny thing is my friend is from bussiness management, he find this interesting lol.
just uninstalled Unity 👍 gonna switch to literally anything else
I won't switch im just a free dev on it + i have been using it for 4 years and i have multiple games which i dont want to remaster for a different game engine
it's nice to see you educate people about this topic :3