Project Chucky Episode 10 | Ford Mustang Gen 1 Coyote Manifold Shootout!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 ต.ค. 2024
- You asked, so here it is! An intake manifold shootout for the Ford Mustang Gen 1 Coyote. Our test mule, is VMP's shop car, Project Chucky, a 2011 Mustang GT.
In this video, we put an unported 2018 Mustang manifold, unported 2018 F-150 manifold, stock 2011 Mustang manifold, and a Cobrajet manifold to the test.
Watch along to see the horsepower and torque results each manifold made on the dyno. The results might surprise you!
1:49 | Unported 2018 Ford Mustang Intake Manifold
3:22 | Unported 2018 Ford F-150 Intake Manifold Test
5:13 | Stock 2011 Ford Mustang Intake Manifold Test
7:02 | Unported Ford Mustang Cobra Jet Intake Manifold Test
Manifolds can be purchased here:
✪ 2018 Mustang Manifold: bit.ly/19-April...
✪ 2018 F-150 Manifold: bit.ly/19-April...
✪ Cobra Jet Manifold: bit.ly/19-April...
Mods on the car include:
✪ Dynatech High Flow Cats
✪ Dynatech Headers
✪ VMP Custom Tune
✪ JLT Cold Air Intake
✪ 6R80 Transmission with VMP Bullet-Proof 6R80 Kit
✪ FTI Torque Converter
✪ 56 Lb Injectors
✪ UPR Lower Control Arm Relocation Bracket Kit
✪ UPR Adjustable Upper Control Arm Mount
✪ Mickey Thompson ET Street Radial Pro Tires
✪ VMP IMRC Lockouts
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18 mustang manifold is showing again to be a great bang for buck
Mustang Lifestyle boss 302 intake or 18 intake for 2013 gt
Gained 5 hp and lost 10 ft lbs of torque? I dont think its worth it on that combo.
@@qtrhors1 gained 50hp at 7300rpm
@@GTkyle that’s a lot
Forget Engine Masters! Your videos are becoming my daily car fix. Forget Motortrend!
Awesome! Right on, Cars&Life! Glad to hear you're enjoying the vids. 👍
I was patiently waiting for to this video and the results are very interesting but I was also hoping for some ported manifolds. Looking forward to the drag testing video, thx Justin!
Yes, they need to include ported manifolds in these tests (and show that all are using the same tune). That is one thing VMP are known for...maybe they don't produce the gains they are claiming.
This is a awesome video! Do a cam swap next!
Thanks, John!
For the people that keeps bringing up the boss intake ,it's a great power intake but sucks for torque
Ported 2018 manifold seems to be the best idea for bang for buck power and torque. Who would have known
Do a ported vs unported 18 manifold
I agree with the test on the track with all this manifolds, good vid thank!
Great Video Justin, answered a lot of questions. I was also surprised about the resulst of the CJ, looks like it will work alot better with a good cam setup. Hope you can do the GT350 and the ported 18 Mustang GT. Thanks.
put the gt 350 manifold on Chucky
Yeah the gen 1 head just cant flow enough to make good high rpm power with the cobrajet.
It will need cams and some porting
@@3star2nr it's mostly the cams. Sure it'll see gains porting but it'll see alot more gains from cams with a cj the cams are what's holding the power back the most in gen 1 cars when running a good manifold like a cj. A cj and good set of cams can see right near 500 to the tires on a stock gen 1 head on e85 through a manual that isn't shabby at all. A gen 2 might see 515 or so with a similar setup so honestly it isn't THAT much different. There is gains there but if you're choosing one or the other between ported heads or cams cams give you by far the most gain on a cj gen 1. 18 manifold prob works better on a stock cammed car cj for a cammed car. The cams are really holding it back.
Seems the truck intake would be perfect for a turbo build especially big turbos to light them up sooner and then let the turbos carry you
Utah county Picazo's page the power drops off way to fast for a turbo
It's better to think of boost as a multiplier. An engine that makes more power unboosted makes more power with boost.
About time! Gen1 love. Well, missed out on Boss manifold.
I’ve got a Cobra Jet on my Gen 1 Coyote and I’m quite happy with it. Going from bone stock to a Cobra Jet intake manifold, VMP tune, FRPP cold air, and GT500 twin 60mm throttle body, I picked up about 5 mph in trap speed. The Cobra Jet is quite expensive, but I think with the 2018 manifold, you’re just paying for the performance. The Cobra Jet looks way better. Although if I’m being honest, I’d probably get a ported 2018 manifold if I was to do it all over again.
Why go with the 18 if I may ask...i have a 14 and don’t know what to go with a 18 or a cobra....it’s not a daily but I’m not over here stomping it to the floor...I do drive aggressive and like to go fast whenever I can though...
Kapss 08 The Cobra Jet is king, but it’s really only King from about 7300 rpm onwards. I’ve raced a couple ‘18 manifold cars and mine starts to pull away from them in fourth gear, but first, second, and third gear the 18 manifold cars are basically right beside me. I love the Cobra Jet, but it’s way more money than a ported ‘18 and offers only a small difference in real world performance. If at some point you want to do cams as well and do an all out NA build, I’d recommend the Cobra Jet, but as far as just doing some bolt ons, a ported ‘18 manifold is great! I’m at the point now though where I’ve had enough of the NA life, my car will be getting a VMP Gen 2R over the winter,
Cody Miller you lose big amount of torque tho with the cobra jet no? And thanks for giving me that run down I mean money is thankfully not an issue saved money in my “fun jar” but just wondering what would be more fun and noticeable to drive on the road I guess
Kapss 08 I personally didn’t notice a torque drop with the Cobra Jet. I also have 3.73 gears which I’ve heard makes the torque loss less noticeable. The top end pull of the Cobra Jet is a lot of fun. The power never really falls off. If money isn’t an issue, I’d get the Cobra Jet. It’s definitely better, the ‘18 is just better value.
Cody Miller I just got 3.73 gears also was reading and that seems like a good combo! Thanks man I think I will be going with the cobra thanks for your input will let you know how the instal and my reaction if you want lol!
That’s crazy, I’ve seen people with CJ and they have incredible numbers !
2018 ported intake manifold is ordered! Can't wait!
Nice!!!
Wonder how the boss intake would be compared
Stay tuned to the channel! We might have more surprises coming....
Like why would you not do the boss manifold on a s197?
@@KoyoteKyle because you can drop a ported 2018 for better gains
Not really a "stock" car with long tube headers ($900-$2000), bigger injectors ($400 ish), and a tune (prolly at least $200). All that alone is probably what increased numbers. Pretty sure the slight loss of tq is felt more than the small gain in hp, honestly stock manifold still seems to be best in N/A form.
Agree unless your driving past 7k constantly never going to be worth it.
Surprised with the CJ manifold results. From the other sources I’ve seen the cobra jet is king even on gen 1 coyotes. In fact it’s less popular to be used on the gen 2 cars because of the hood clearance. But I guess times have changed and the 2018+ manifold does make good power. Now I’m curious and want to get my CJ setup dynoed.
Same
It is king it doesn't show out as well on a gen 1 because the cams hold it back. The heads do slightly but the cams are the main reason if you also have cams a cj will shine on a gen 1 car you could prob get pretty close to 500 wheel on e85 from a fbo cammed cj gen 1 with stock heads. It starts being able to make power where the cj wants to make power. It's all in the combo. If you don't have cams to take advantage of the cj it isn't gonna perform like it should especially on a gen 1 that has milder cams than gen2. The heads also flow better in gen 2 so both make a difference but the cams make the most difference from what I've seen. I've seem fbo cammed cj gen 1 cars making damn good power it's Def the cams mostly holding it back.
Would be great to see this test on a vmp and or Paxton set up.it might show a different winner for centrifugal vs pos displacement.low end power vs high rpm ? Always tested on non forced induction cars? Best manifold on forced induction is what we would love to know.itwould be a lot of work so I don't think it will be done.
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Awesome videos. Be nice to see some test done on NON Ford made Coyote intakes. PLAZMAMAN, Holley, Edelbrock...........
Hmmmm maybe we need a part 2?
I want to see a ported stock intake ... do it if you dare... port the stock....
I agree, I recently reached out to AFS Bret Barber and they can port the stock 2011 Mustang GT manifold, I was planning on mating it to a ported 80mm TB and Steeda CAI, would like to see how that does in a shootout…
Most popular aftermarket is boss? Why is it not in the test . Love all your videos ,thanks.
Because of price that’s about it
What about the boss 302 intake manifold
On e85 fbo cj I made 465whp lol with the 69mm
Unless you scared of the power ...
I put a 18 gt mani on my 18 f150 last night. My brother in-law has a 13 f150 I told him my old mani would make way more torque down low than his and give him a nice boost in power. I'd imagine it would be very similar to this but not losing tq.
I don’t understand why these numbers are lower than mine lol I have a bone stock gen1 with the oem manifold and made 434/392 when I had it dyno tuned. I was considering getting a manifold but it seems like any “upgrade” I do is gonna net me lower numbers lol
No boss Manifold ?
Where’s the ported Boss manifold?!
Awesome. please do one with a centrifugal... I'm really curious if the blower amplifies the results, or simply negates the downsides of the intakes (like the 4.6s did with a blower).
I didn't do OPGs on my car and I figured I'll get a gen2 coyote or a long block for it sometime down the road and would love to set it up from the get go with the right intake... the current gen1 coyote is gonna get transfered to my 205k mile 2004 to replace that tired 4.6 (which is probably struggling to break 200rwhp by now)
I don't think they tuned for the truck manifold. Because on a gen 2 the truck manifold has the same power band as a 15-17 gt manifold but more low-end torque and power
ive got a '23 mustang intake, ported by 1320 junkie. trying to figure out the purge valve difference so i can get it put on my gen 1 coyote in a '14 F-150.
very good video. i been thinking of upgrading my 2011 gt the 2018 intake looks like a good option.
No boss mani??
Please do track comparison as well. Surprising to see the CJ drop off at top RPM behind the 18. The CJ should outflow the 18 up top easily, how is that possible?
Bas Tee not enough cam
You mean not enough cam for the full CJ potential? Ack. But the cam was the same for all tests so the CJ should provide as much and even more air as the 18 up top.
Bas Tee no but gen 2 cams are bigger then gen 1 so cj does better on a gen 2 motor then on a gen 1 seems like the 18 intake is the best so far for gen 1 unless you get bigger cams
I’ve seen other dyno results that the cj drops at 7800-8000. Idk I think both vids were made for more sales of the 18 mani.
Stang Thang agree with you.
People need to understand that redline is NOT the magic shift point, and that the car MUST make all it's power there. You want to shift right song peak hp. If that's below your cars redline, oh well.
Now I’m curious on how the old manifold run on the gen 3 coyotes
They're gonna perform worse which is why they aren't on the 2018 lol.
That is really surprising !
Ported boss manifold???
Gen 1 unite! Me still wondering if the 420hp model is still Gen one 🤔.
Would a ported 2018 truck manifold carry power further than 5800 rpm?
I'm wondering if they changed the tune to run the truck manifold mainly the imrc settings. I been doing some testing with the 2018 plus truck manifold on a gen 2 and it carries power all the way to 6700 rpms like a stock gen 2 with the same power drop off. But makes significantly more power and torque threw the curve
Cant wait
See you at noon! Who do you think dominated? 🤔
Wish we could've seen the boss manifold too. But looked like the cobra jet up top had a flatter curve did I see this correctly?
@@xtreme3484 It tanked pretty hard, take a look at 9:45 and the orange line
Did you port the 2011 ???????
Why would you not test the boss intake with those?
You think that truck intake with cams, headers and air intake would be a good street combo? Or just use the mustang intake? Dont plan on racing high rpms.
Cobra Jet on a Gen 1 with Stage 3 cams and full 3 inch exhaust with long tubes, makes what?
Alvin Davis average about 480 to 500 depending on where your revving too. Go with Lund or AED thoe and ask them for extra sauce
That's cool and I can't wait to buy my CJ intake.
If you’re going stage 3 cams kiss your stock rods goodbye my buddy had his gen 1 shoot one out with that exact setup lol
Is this the same guy that made the video called “sleeper” ? Lol
Bro, "wont be beat" on price? You're literally the most expensive gen 2 intake on the internet.
I wonder if the truck manifold would pick up ET with a stock converter? Aftermarket converter I see little to no benefit of that manifold on a drag strip. Even with a stock converter after the first shift that torque isn't going to matter much. The question would be will the 60ft time gained over a stock manifold be enough to justify the 15RWHP loss. Track testing would be interesting but I think it would be a waste of time on Chucky which has a converter.
are you not tuning the car specifically for each manifold each run?
We are were necessary
Cj is king
Boss intake????
@Brian Davis. Someone trying to take your "chucky" name.. Better show em who boss!
you make some videos on f150 coyote motor 2011 and do a intake shootout on that. also what would you advise to make good gain on the truck
Well that's kind of interesting on the truck intake. Nitrous buggy?
they're trying to sell some more 18 manifolds I see lol
Caleb Lambert they work & they’re proven
Couldn’t agree more @caleb I’ve seen many cobra jet s197 cars haul ass something is wrong here
@@nola504boy1 so is cj
..I dont believe dyno numbers from companies that sell products...I've also seen the numbers from a non affiliated party
Caleb Lambert of course the CJ is proven. But everyone knows the 18 mani is the best bang for your money right now. Can’t beat the performance for the cost, that’s what I was saying.
I have a 2012 Boss 302, I have been considering the CJ. But for the money, the 2018 seems to be the best option. Has anyone heard of a Road Runner with an 18 manifold? Or any reason to not do this?
Awesome 👍
Any plans on trying the 2018 truck manifold on track attack. I know the 11 -14 f150 intake manifold did ok track attack
My car needs some vmp power need a tune and some just n/a stuff I live like 20 mins from you guys need to bring it to you some time
Come on over, we've got some open box Boss, GT350, and 18+ GT intakes sitting around too!
@@VMPPerformanceTV my car needs some tlc to with the upgrades ima try to come up
Soon
So why does a cj tb tune only car make 420hp 390tq? Could it be the difference in the dyno? Might just be a sales pitch lol.
Stang Thang yea it has headers too and the big ass tb
Wonder what the ported 18 GT manifold would have made?
Great video and just in time. About to do long tubes on my Gen 1 and a manifold was next. Didn’t sound like you were a fan of the Flowmasters which is what I have on so can you elaborate on why you want them off?
Because they are some of the worst flowing aftermarket exhausts. The outlaws are loud and drone alot they may flow ok but the chambered ones have been proven to not be that great performance wise and most people prefer other exhausts on coyotes sound wise.
Will a ported 2018 manifold do a bit better?
About 8 more peak hp in the last 500-800 rpms
I drive a 2012 Ford F-150, will the 2018 truck intake be a worthwhile mod since I drive my truck like a truck, mainly for towing my travel trailer.
Maybe i missed it in the video, was the tune changed at all between intake swaps?
How much diffrent it would of been a manual?
I would love for you to test these manifolds on a gen 3 f150
We have a F-150 Manifold test in the works!
I hope it’s still coming!
did you try the GT350 mainfold on S197 Gen1?
Stock vs 18 manifold how is the lower end of the power curve?
What about an 18 ported vs a Cobra Jet?
So if I got the ported 2018 manifold on my 2014 gt I would get similar gains to the cj for 1/4 of the price?
In before anyone else
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Could you test a 2015 gt intake? I have one for my gen 1 and interested in numbers before using it.
It's not worth anything.
@VMPPerformanceTV I replaced a 2011 truck intake with it on my gen 1. Still trying to figure out cams. Have mustang gt cams sitting on the shelf. Debating on if performance cams are worth the low end loss.
So my question is this mr Justin, a 2018 truck manifold would be a great swap on a gen 1 f150 then. Given the intake cams don’t allow for high revs, the ‘18 manifold should improve on the low end numbers on the Gen 1 f150 🤔🤔
We have some content in the works to answer that exact question! Stay tuned to see the results!
VMPPerformance well then, I just ordered a 18 truck manifold for my 14 f150. If you have a tune worked out I will get a tune from VMP. Just a 87 octane fuel mileage/torque tune 👍🏼
This vid is a few years old, did u end up putting the 2018 manifold on? I have a 2014 f150 and want more torque and power for towing, I’m not looking for top speed@@NITROUSnBIASPLYS
@user-xm1fo3eb5m I did do the testing yes. I got a tune from OZ tuning the omega tune. First off, Oz & vmp were not willing to try different cam angles to vet the manifold data for torque/mpg use not just WOT. I did my own data logging on the Oz omega tune and swapping back and forth between manifolds and found the 18 manifold would possibly make slightly more torque down low, but not as much peak torque. Also the peak hp according to the maf was down over 40hp. This testing was done on a 2014 F150 engine. Also I was planning on running the IMRC on the 18 truck manifold and since the 14 f150 has no control over this engine function, I was going to make a relay for them to close when my cruise was set for potential better mpg. This did not work as the IMRC vacuum pods don't clear the firewall on the gen1 F150.
Long and short, stick with the gen1 manifold. If anything I'd recommend the OZ Omega tune as it's a flex tune for any fuel
@@NITROUSnBIASPLYS cool thanks for the reply
What do I need to run an 18 manifold on my 2014?
To run an 18 manifold you need to delete the IMRC/CMCV on the back of the manifold and change some vacuum routing. We have a full kit available with tuning support for '11-'17 cars on our website at the link below. We also have an install video to show you how to swap from a stock manifold to a 2018 manifold on both automatic and manual transmission cars.
www.vmpperformance.com/2011-2017-Mustang-GT-2018-Intake-Manifold-Tuning-Power-Pack
gen3 coyote shootout
Will the voodoo intake fit the Gen 1 coyote
Yes
Heads don’t flow enough I beat a gen2 with one
Have you guys tried a gt350 on an s197 ?
Port the 18 truck manifold
Hmmm upcoming video???
Your leaving us hanging Justin because you didn’t test the boss 302 intake also put the stock exhaust manifolds back on for true hp numbers
Sure, because in no real world application would someone put long tube headers on for a high horsepower PERFORMANCE test.... Yeah that would just be stupid.
have you tried different vct setting ???
What about 15-17 manifold on gen 1
My understanding it wouldnt make any difference
Would the power output be a little higher if this were a manual car?
Yes it would be
What is the stall on the converter ?
Do you need upgraded oil pump gears and crank sprocket if running a cobra jet intake manifold on a gen 1 coyote?
Hey Anthony, the need for oil pump gears and crank sprocket isn't really associated with modifications as much as it is the type/style of driving you're doing. If this is a stick car that's driven hard and has a chance of hitting the rev limiter frequently, OPG and CS are something you should consider. If it's a basic street car that doesn't see much abuse or 6R80 car that's daily driven, so on and so forth; the OPG and CS aren't as anywhere near as much risk.
Does the car have to be tuned to swap to a 2018 manifold !
Yes.
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Im wondering and excuse my dumb question. But i was told that u cannot put a ported 18 mani on a gen1 is that true?
Ported 18 manifold will bolt directly on to an '11-'14 coyote.
Your company is known for forced induction,please show us this test on cars your known for.great job for us non blower guys but soon I am going to supercharge my car vmp or paxton .this test would help.
No boss intake 🤨
Yea no thanks for the high rpms needed for extra horsepower.
juste 5 hp !!!
After seeing this, If I had an 18 F150, I'd install an 18 Gt intake manifold the first day.
So basically the stock manifold for the gen1 is better till about 6800 rpm and then the 18 and cj are better lol what pos waste of money
My cobra jet gen 1 beats gen 2 cobra jets 99% of the time and Fbo e85 6th gen ss
Do you have cams ?
I need a race tune that supports 2018 ported intake
We can do that, lets run E85, give us a call 321-206-9369
@@VMPPerformanceTV will do
Nice!!
Will an 18 air intake fit the s197 along with the manifold?