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- Some in the FOX community would have you believe this is the only way to do things "RIGHT"
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As a 43yr old father of 4 who has spent the last 8yrs building his ride, I would just like to say that your honesty in regards to unnecessary upgrades is refreshing. It's our jobs as older stangers to nurture and guide the younger ones; and help them appreciate their accomplishments in the hobby and make sure they are not taken advantage of so as to keep the love going. Keep on brother, and I will keep watching.
Exactly brother 🤟
Brew2L...What's up from Cincinnati! Transplanted here from OZ, that's right good ol Ozark! I was the one who said he loved the "hometown channel" during the livestream.BTW, Very well said!! I am one of the OCD guys also...That being said, I have busted my @$$ to get to where I am in life and now! As i have said before, dad passed in July from cancer. I received his '88 T-Top 5-speed as an inheritance. I have since changed to powerstop street beast brakes, clutch kit, lightened fly wheel (SVE), and rebuilt the suspension. I agree not everyone cannor should do all this. All my work is done for the longevity! I believe in buy once, cry once...buy the best you can afford...THAT YOU CAN AFFORD! I feel this falls inline with you same philosophy! Thanks again for all the teachings and info about these wonderful cars! Having an 11 year-old son and 9 year-old to pass this down to is why I do any of it! Stay true to yourselves! Foxforce 5.OH!
I've had my '89 LX 5 speed since 1993. I am the second owner! All I have done to mine is add a Hurst shifter, Dr. Gas X pipe, 2 chamber Flowmasters, 3.73 gears with extra clutch packs in the rear, and removed the air silencer. Such a blast to drive, she brings a smile to my face every time. Thanks to you and Caleb over at Foxcast, I finally got her running again by installing all new fuel tank and accessories. Thanks for your inspirational videos, I probably wouldn't have done it otherwise. BTW, she started on the 2nd crank after sitting for 6 YEARS!
Yes sir preach
I just got a 1987 ford mustang gt about three months ago. It is on jack stands at the moment. I am going to enjoy driving it once I get all the safety issues taken care of.
This video is very relieving i recently bought a fox from my my moms boss. He was the original owner of the 88 Gt with a tremec tko and it already has a exhaust short throw etc and when I going through the car I wanted opinions on it and all I saw was 5 lug 5 lug, now not going to lie if I never came across the wheels I have on the car now I would’ve probably fell into that (brand new tires and wheels I got for $400) . But all and all I just re did all the brakes and it has no issues what so ever stopping!!
I bought a set of Powerstop rotors and pads to put back on mine. Factory drum brakes and going with 2 kits this time.
I agree man alot of people in every type of car mess it up for alot of other people because of what your talking about .. It will make the person lose interest in the car cause they don't think they have the money to spend like that and they just sell the car it's none sence .. We should show them and help guide them to love it as much as the rest of us
I agree with you. I’ve bought parts I didn’t need. My car is still 4 lug
Im glad you put this video.... i had my foxbody for 2 year now... and listen to my so call friends... im just gonna stay with the 4 lugs up front and 5 lugs out back.. im done listen to people thats not putting in the work on my car... thanks for the video
Hey bud keep doing your thing.. personally 5 lug only give you more wheel options so not worth it!
@@foxbodyboys4483 i appreciated it big dawg
Tussin's the man, makes somethin outta nothin!!
Amen brother! My fox makes 330hp/425tq at the wheels with an old school BBK instacharger, GT40X heads and Cobra intake. Stock cam, 30lb inj. And 255lph pump. Runs 12.0 at 114mph. 55K miles, stock original clutch, T5, rear, and factory brake pads and shoes! I've had this setup for 15 years. I don't beat the piss out of it, but I have fun and haven't broken anything, ever. Stock suspension as well except for Bilstein shocks and struts. These cars can take a lot with stock parts as long as you treat em right.
Nothing wrong with the foxbody platform as is. I've never had any need for suspension upgrades, brake upgrades, wheel upgrades. I just prefer the cars as they came. They stop fine, handle fine, drive fine. My son has daily driven a fox for years with some drag racing mixed in with nothing but a few tweaks for more HP. He wants to keep a totally stock outward appearance and I'm on board with that. 347 is in the near future.
Besides, I think it's all about how you put things in perspective. I daily drove a 56 nomad for years. Manual 4 wheel drum brakes, no power steering, a tank that handles like a school bus with a hot 327- 4 speed. I'm still alive. I jump in a little fox body and feel like I'm in a go kart :)
Very well said brotha, mod your car like you want to and not like your told to, of course if you don't know what to do your gonna need help and lots of research will be the best help
I came from a 71 plymouth slant six duster with 9 inch non power drums on all 4. My 83 has plenty of brake and hp to go around 😄
Ha! My first coupe was a 1500 beater.... put a cold air on it, exhaust, and sprayed the dog shit out of it for 3 years! Now I’m older and have more cash flow so I do have a nice coupe with a high dollar paint job and a killer engine set up. Still got 4 lugs... still have stock brakes... still running a ram clutch in my tko 500 and loving it. Best thing about these cars is doing wtf you want to do with them!!
😎 exactly
Thankyou for been a honest man.
I spent my paint money on 3.73s and a Yukon carrier...
5k w/1500 left. Holley TermX and drive it. Now when u start modding u don't need to then pay a tuner or burn a chip...etc. save up for the rest. I have realized I don't trust 30 year old ECUs and wiring to drive hours to shows or cruises
Right on brother!
New weatherstripping, a tune up, gaskets, door pins, LED lighting go a long way after buying a FoxBody. Those little fixes will be rewarding and make the car a lot more fun to have.
9:02 best advice. It took a few years and dollars to learn that.
Shit man I feel like this video is for me....just got my first Foxbody and everyone is like "you gotta do it, you gotta do that" I'm like I just want to take it out on Saturday night and wash it on Sunday... "bought not built".... sorry I just love that it reminds me of my childhood..am I wrong? love just opening my garage and seeing her...
Couldn't agree more with this. Great channel, keep it up .
Some people don’t think most fox body cars use only 4 bolts to hold the driveshaft to the rear ended and most people does bother to change it and never have a problem with it.so when next person ask you that question you tell them about the driveshaft bolts
🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻 Always remember, it’s your car. Do what you want to it. I see people on these Facebook pages get slammed because someone doesn’t like the way the person’s car is modified. Who cares? It’s that person’s car. If they like it, that’s all that matters. If you don’t like it, then don’t say sh*t about it. Unless it’s been LS swapped, then it’s fair game 🤣
💯🙏... but yes to the LS swaps 😆😆 jk
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@@mustangmarty8491 😂 thanks
This is a great video with great advice. I have built 7 fox body's and have experienced all the things that you mentioned. You don't have to any of the expensive mods to enjoy these cars. These are best 7/8 complete cars ever built (the last 1/8 is up to you). Buy the best car car that you can and then spend what you need to get you car running right or repair any damage. These cars are 28 to 42 years old. They are going to need some basic repairs and replacement of component before modifying them.
Slowly but surely is the name of the game. God bless👍🏼💪🏼🇺🇸
I'm one of those guys that isn't going to do that to my foxbody. I sold a fast car to get a nice stock foxbody. I enjoy driving it without all the hassle of a high performance vehicle issues. Thanks for the video
Some awesome words brother, when i first bought my 90 LX hatch second owner Florida car,i was amongst other guys with plenty of cash to blow and they said the same thing on exactly what you were talking about. At almost the same time i got divorced and had no money to do really anything so when the storm was over, i started slowly on some light mods, CAI first, then BBK headers, H-Pipe, and Flow master exhaust. But not overnight this all happened, 1 income, child support, living on my own etc., etc.. But after 12 years of owning my Fox, I have upgraded many things and have done all the work myself. I did it my way and when finances were there I upgraded, This car still puts a smile on my face every time I get behind the wheel as it did from day one. Your video and message you spoke rides rite up my alley that I can relate too, and just want to say thank you .You rock man.
Great video. Very well put!
Yea usually experienced individuals give you a full list of stuff before getting any horsepower advice.. here i am, after years still trying to find a person to help me build an engine for my fox......
man those are some beautiful foxbodies!
Hey man, from my experience over the years is, don’t go any higher than 500hp on a stock block! I always use a Main Cap Girdle to give the bottom end that extra support!
thanks looking for one know to build my self
Turbo John cutting crazy 60fts on 4 lugs
I just bought my 1st foxbody and really am enjoying your channel. Mine's going to be more of a daily driver but your channel has given me some good info. Thanks and keep it up
I agree to everything. I read a lot of Muscle Mustangs and Fast Ford magazines for years and get pushed to wanting to be a future Fox to a race car. But I do get that money doesn't grow on trees for most people getting into the game. I rather have the cars that you have in your shop right now, then something someone tells me to build mine's like his or her. Yours is just as good to kick around in for fun. I like that. 50 tussin is my guy. I love his channel like the bible. Less money into his cars to go 7's in the 1\8 mile is impressive. Great video!
I wish I would have taken this approach. I haven't been able to drive my car for a while because I've been doing a 5 lug swap, brakes and suspension. I should have driven my car and enjoyed it for what it was.
This video is 100 % facts!!! Say it louder for the people in the back!
I love this guy he’s so respectful I’m 16 with a foxbody that’s completely stock suspension and have heads, cam, bottom end and I get bashed for my stuff love the videos
Good info there Bro 💪
You are bang on with this. I have a 1985 fox with a 363ci making 580hp with stock brakes. Stops fine. Would I like it to be better, well ofcourse lol. But that costs money. So in time. Great video, thanks
I have an 84 stock gt and I love it. The 175hp is still fun and it sounds good with full mac exhaust
Amen brother, good advice!!!
This makes alot of sense. If you aren't auto crossing or setting it up for a track with twisties or just for the backroad twisties suspension and brakes is a good idea if you are just cruising it around and drag racing or roll racing with it it isn't a top priority. I would def at the very least do good pads and stuff to make the stock brakes work as good as they can but in the ladder situation no need for a 4k dollar brake setup. Best thing to do is just do your homework and do your research on what helps the cars and what does what then from that info you can make your own decisions on mods based on what you're going to be doing with the car. Dont just build it based on what guys online told ya to do lol. Good info!
Very well done and well said
Amen ole Buddy i have had ppl ask me why im running 4 lug ..dirst off i tell em because i have not had the first problem with my stock set up .. im talking i have the factory studs in it ..and i run 7.05 at 95 mph in tge 1/8 .. well did ..im upgrading now .. however reason #2 is i have 2 sets of cobra R wheels and 3 sets of saleen wheels .. dont make aense to me .. i have finaly upgrades to moser axles to go with my new powerplant .. shoukd be in the mid 5sec in the 1/8 mile when i get it back to the track
5.0 tussin is a savage with the stick
Made 560/660 stock fuel line & rails bbk reg pump 93 no additives 340 pump
Yeah I've met 50 tussin and watched him race and that dude is badass and is good with the t5s and it is crazy that he can launch at 6200 rpm and have ran into the 6s without breaking it while running a cobra clutch nothing crazy and he lifts the front wheel when he launches, but he is a cool guy I hung out with him all night and I need to go back and see how the failTD is doing
Yeah that old guy can drive too. He's always on the cheap like we had to do back in the day before the aftermarket finally came on like gangbusters.
A lot of people talk crap about the cobra clutches, but they are pretty good. I beat on one for 130k.
@@coreysmithsvt yeah tussin beats the hell out of his and has had good luck with them and he keeps buying them new or used he doesn't care and beats the hell out of it at the track, that's where he mainly uses the clutch at the track leaving at 6200 and the way he beats them up they seem to hang in there , he calls them slip master 2000 but he keeps buying them so he must like em
@@robertelmo7736 yeah man that man can drive the hell out of those cars and his shifts are dead on with the shift light and shifts so fast you can't hardly see his leg move kicking the clutch pedal
Great video.. Been building cars since I was 14 and now I am 39 ... I always want my suspension and brakes done first , Only reason is because I can out drive someone with more power if I can stop better and handle better. So for me the power is secondary to the handling and stopping ability ! Plus if I am getting crazy with my driving on back roads I love the idea of being able to stop the car just that much faster if need be! I switched over to a full SN95 setup and it really helped my fox and my ability to drive the car in situations I normally would not !
This is the realist video out. Glad you addressed the elitist issue. When I started out back in 1990 I didnt have the money to do all the "Supporting" mods. I just want to be able to smoke the tires and chirp 2nd gear. Tinted windows and flowmasters were the must do mods then. I ran drum brakes on my 64 C10 for 15 years drag racing. I finally got tired of pumping the brakes to stop and upgraded to front disc.
Awesome content. Thank you
Your absolutely right in what your saying also there's nothing wrong with keeping the car stock or if you have a modified Foxbody and you decided to turn the car back into stock condition i believe in the next 10 years a stock foxbody Mustang is going to be worth a tidy sum providing the car is in decent shape that's just my opinion please do not cash in your retirement savings and start buying fox bodies that are in stock condition and in 10 years I start getting lawsuits out the ass from people who are suing me because now they're not millionaires and they're broke as a joke and can't afford to retire then again look in the bright side you'll have a whole Corral of foxbodys
Great video!
Brother you hit the nail right on the damm head 🔨. Like you said. Some of us especially our age group is just happy to own one of these cars since we grew up with these cars. In my case a bone stock 88lx 5.0 vert aod car. Im 40 prior airforce mechanic i don't wanna shift gears! People ask me all the time why did u get a aod car and a convertible. Well i always say where's your car? 9 out a 10 don't even own a fox. 😆
The clone is gorgeous.......but those wheels need to go away......hideous. To each his own though
I still have 4-lug on my car and I have old school Centerlines on my car. It's a 93 lx and still has the 2.3l in it. Doing a carbed 5.0 swap in it. Not making a race car,just want to have fun.
I think theres 3 things we can all agree on to help a new foxbody owner.
1. Subframe connectors
2. Gears
3. Timing bump
Regardless of the direction you’re going with the car, those 3 things will guarantee you get the most bang for your buck.
I agree 100% man! Great video!!
I buy Mustangs simply because I like the way they look. Not too much involved with making big power at all lol. I like to get the stance dialed in, nice paint, nice interior, clean bay....I'm happy lol. 600+hp mustangs around here look like garbage, so I hope they're fast so no one has to look at them long :p
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So true man I don’t give a damm I have a 95 vert it’s stock and I love it
5.0 Tussin calls those clutches Slipper 2,000
First mods
1. Tires, bump ignition timing (91 or 93 octane)
2. 3.73 or 4.10 gears
3. O/R X/H pipe w/ catback
4. MGW Short shifter
5. Subframe connectors/ tube steel upper & low control arms (Rear)
6. Shocks & struts
Unless you have money like LMR and can buy a super low mileage fox.First thing is fixing any problems with the car . You don't know what previous owner might have neglected.
Well said. Spread Fox Love
That was just common sense
Keeping it Real. I agree, with $1,500 left in the budget, my first thing to do would be make the car "look" good, inside and out. Then move on to the mechanical stuff. Good perspective 👍
Screw all that. I like mine ragged out stock look. Survivor 86 faded red on top little primer showing through. Perfect.
I run 4 lug with ARP 3" long studs with no problems. 9.56 1/4 mile.
Ok, here's the two cents from the old timer.
1. The problem with Fox brakes are the fronts. They are 11 inch rotors on the later ones. The rear brakes actually are not responsible but for about 25% of the stopping of the car. One thing you missed in this video are the 4 lug rear options. I bought a rear Cobra kit (those are 4 lug on regular Cobra, 5 lug on R) which is real similar to the Turbo Coupe rears. I paid $100 for the whole kit lol and stored it for 10 years or so. Changed them just because I didn't like the look of drums in the back. If you can lock the brakes up on the car then a bigger rotor/better pads/etc. will not help you stop better in one panic stop. Where bigger brakes shine are if you are doing "spirited" driving or lapping a track-- the Fox stock brakes will fail on you after repeated stops.
2. You can just put some good Hawk pads on the front, if you want good brakes on your fox for cheap (regular GT's had wimpy 11" rotors still!) then go 95 or 95 cobra setup and upgrade to those. You can track on the 95 Cobra R brakes up to about 400 hp.
3. You are right, the rear axles at elevated power levels are going to be an issue. My rearend has one of those "repair bearings" from all my antics as a young testosterone filled maniac. Going to get a good housing and stuff it with 4 lug Moser 31 spline and motor on. I like my SR Replica wheels, I want the Weld RTS's but that is another $$$$$$$$$$$$$ story for later.
/rant over
Thanks for the video, just ran across it. I still have my '89 5.0 that I ordered new when I started my first job. Frankly, it is a disaster, having had to sit outside and getting salt water on it, the front clip paint is beyond help. 4 lug, might even be original clutch, few new parts when needed (clutch kit on bench), sub frame connectors. Still puts down almost 225/300. Fun at autocross, fun at track. Can't justify the temptation of upgrading until something breaks. Sub'd.
Tussin on those 4 lug too, but there upgraded axles and studs but yea, were is 5.0 tussin damn it, lol,
I salute and appreciate you man you are one of the best Fox body channels around this is so true build your car how you want if you want a stupid old saline wing and 90s graphics go ahead lol if you want to stay stock more power to you it's your car do what you want I love the channel man
We need more videos like this it’s things that I wanna do to my 86 mustang GT and I have the money but I don’t wanna waste money and time on things I don’t need
Brother you are right on that my 89 sat for 12 years cause I was dumb listening to others.
I think this is great advice, i see so many foxes that are so madded that i wonder if they even really liked the car to begin with? Plus if you want rear discs just grab the rear end out a super coupe and you can keep your pony wheels👌
BTW . Absolutely agree
I love the look of that red GT.
You make some great points here; especially the one about new people coming into the Fox Body world. I know I have felt like giving up on my Fox Body dreams at times because all the good stuff gets so expensive. I had to make payments on my 82 GT for almost 2 years while the car sat in someone's back yard in the SoCal high Desert before I even picked it up. I've done some work on her since but she isn't even running yet.
Haha…. I feel like you were talking to me coach. 😂 I scratched together $2000 (without a pending divorce 😂) to buy a basket case FoxBody. I’ve been consuming SO many videos as I try to get my game plan. I appreciate honest advice. I have a 1995 Seadoo GTX I’ve been restoring I need to get sold so I can invest in the car. So if anyone is looking for a great Seadoo…..😂🙌 Love your videos man.
There's a 4 lug rear disc kit available 😎 on my list 👍
Clean car I used to have a 83 GT vert in red
Just happy to own one with a B-cam !💯🔥
Heck yeah, I have a b cam to and I love it!👍
The kiss method usually makes them the most enjoyable. Upgrade when you need to. Most people don’t explore what they already have to full extent. I’ve often asked myself at what point is it still a fox when people mod everything on them.
"10 car pile ups everywhere"
Lmao
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That would be from Pintos not Fox Bodies!!!
Enjoy these informative videos, I'm in the process of building up my 89 coupe now, 4 cylinder to V8 swap. Super stoked to get it back on the road.
Well said brother. These cars are no longer budget friendly. Have been building mine since 2009. I am running an old school Gt40p heads 306 set up for a decade. You know how many times I hear why don’t you Coyote swap? Because the cost at this point is way out of my league. I built a well rounded car and took time because of the cost to do so. Your doing it right for the whole new generation of fans.
Hey brother a 306 with the on3 turbo kit is a fun setup!! Keep rocking bro
You are absolutely right, if ur auto crossing it yes! You need breaks and suspension more than you need power in my opinion, and if ur not out there street racing you can build power without doing breaks, even though you should. And yes ur right 4 lug is good enough. Anyway my opinions and a really good video Brother keep'em comin.
Very well said
Get me a stock fox and the first mods imma do is 4.10's and a shifter!. Before the 355 in the green car it was exhaust, shifter, 4.10's, and a holcomb sheetmetal upper intake
Well said bro
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Cool video brother I think the same thing if you just want a little bit more power just focus on that and don't worry about all the other stuff that people put on their car because they got the money some of us are broke and to us it's a dream just to drive around and what we got!
I don’t care for 5 lug. Weld sells 4 lug draglights. That’s all I need
real talk.
Weld Draglights is what we run on our coupe.
Car Mob 👍👍👍👍👍👍
Awesome video. Hope to be back in the Fox game soon. Miss my 5.0
NAILED IT!!!!! Absolutely 💯 nailed it in this video. To many times people are quick to say you need this or that. Negative do what you can with your budget. I totally agree with you great video man!!! Side note those people are also the ones, well 99% of them with 40k in credit card debit. Enjoy your top Ramen is what I say. Again well said!!
Great video dude. $1500 left to spend would be nice rubber, decent brake pads, struts and shocks, ball joints, plugs and wires, 3:73 gears and a pair of super 40's. Also a few degrees of timing.
Well said! Everyone should build there own car to their liking and not to someone else’s!
Like your work benches, I need to build a couple so bad.
Great video, fantastic content.
✊🏾✊🏾✊🏾 yea I caught shit for staying stock with a cam 🤦🏾♂️ like you said I’m just happy to own one
As kids we where broke! shit we made our car fast by with cheap stuff .
I would add that they should really think about long term goals and not short term wants. Don't upgrade with a cheap upgrade, and then later on down the road redo the upgrade again. Save money, be patient, and do it once-- and do it right.