can anybody here run a country? *Donald Trump kicks a small child* I can't.... *he said with disappointment* *Republican Party* We got you fellow moneyman!!! (parody of countrymen) *Electoral College* hehe deatroying democracy one day at a time. *Democrats* ehhhhh probably should only bitch about this one and do nothing anybody got a bank i could get any kickbacks from? after all there is a pandemic killing people..
The stigma about enlisted combat-men breaking things is still true. My brother was an officer in the US Army and his first deployed platoon was in Kandahar Airport. Within 3 days, 4 of his soldiers broke their optics. When questioned about it, they said "well we heard they were tough enough to stand on so when Johnson stood on his, it broke, so we wanted to make sure ours were tough enough"
weird. You should see what we thought of officers. Had more than one land nav course go far longer than it should have because the LT couldn't shoot an azimuth and put one foot in front of the other for 500m
"tough enough to withstand military service" really just means "tough enough to be subjected to the people who will be using it" They really don't recruit the best and brightest, do they?
Back then they looked at a thin bit of sheet metal dangling off the weapon and said its too delicate for service. Today they call it a lightweight, disposable magazine, say it will only be used once so the durability doesn't matter, and proceed to make you pick them up and reuse them for thirty years.
"There wasn't a very high opinion of enlisted men in the military at the time." That's an understatement. From the 1878 U.S. Army Officer's Field Handbook: "Enlisted men are stupid but extremely cunning and sly and bear considerable watching."
To be fair, the battlefield is not a place where one should expect gentle treatment. Lots of actively dangerous situations and even more dangerous boredom. Now that I think about it, level-headed academics would probably treat equipment less gently if you yelled and shot at them.
These kinds of things are exactly why I love this channel so much. Firearms development from the end of the Civil War until WW1 just had so many fascinating engineering solutions to what were brand new issues.
I've always wondered why Ian never invested in a set of snap caps in old cartridge dimensions, it'd really help demonstrate a lot of the weird actions.
@@ToastyMozart If I had to guess, it's probably more hassle than it's worth to carry metallic, bullet-like items through the TSA. Plus, he doesn't always know what's available at any of the auction houses. I think in an older video he says sometimes he has a catalog of the upcoming auction items, other times he spots an interesting item while browsing through the show floor.
@@yevenlu3243 As bad as the officer corps, which at this time almost exclusively were products of the military academies, thought of the enlisted personnel and of a lower class. The enlisted of all nations effectively were of lower quality than the average US soldier, seamen or marine, as according to information in documents by most nations, the vast majority of soldiers had no education were likely either peasants or children of peasants. There was a very good chance that the Is soldier at least could read and write and probably attended grade school. Russian soldiers, British Troops, French Troops, German troops, etc. reportedly had neither, according to chroniclers of the day. A possible exception might the Swiss, but that might be a stretch. Pretty much all armies "enlisted" ranks or 'private soldiers' were universally considered cannon fodder.
@@charlesadams1721 What do you mean "were"? Even nowadays they're the first into the grinder, only now the officers don't outright state that they're disposable to them.
@@CThyran: considering the amounts of money that most Western armies devote t the training and upkeep to those who use volunteer forces and the incredible amount of effort to avoid almost any casualty, you can't say that those nations that have volunteer forces with substantial training consider their armies 'cannon fodder.' Perhaps thinking from a perspective of the Communist Chinese or Sadaam's Iraqis or the average Iranian soldier or almost any other nation other than a few Western nations and modern Japan, then yes, the average draftee may be considered 'cannon fodder.' Additionally, in most Western armies, starting in the 1930s officers were doctrinally required to be one of the every fist of ever combat team into action. Example, The Brits, the Germans. the Japanese, the Americans. Examining documentation and reports from WWII through to today bear this out. Not the exceptions to the draftees and cannon fodder trend are once again found in those Western democracies such as Switzerland, Finland, Sweden to cite just a few and other nations principally in Oceania where the draft is common and the nations are democracies.
@@CThyran These days, military strategy is drastically different from how it was back then. They used to clump the soldiers together and use volley fire. Now, soldiers are used more as individual units since even a basic infantryman today has more firepower than almost any other soldier on the battlefield 100 years ago. It doesn't matter how shitty of a person an officer is, he wants to win the battle, and getting your men killed for nothing is the easiest way to lose the battle
1880s gun users: "yeah, that protruding box magazine will get definitely get damaged." 2000s gun users: "let's slap everything and anything on their guns."
Thankfully we've had a while to observe how badly they beat these things up, and have managed to make most of those components almost durable enough to survive being handled by infantry soldiers. Marines are still work in progress.
@@jubuttib At least you can work with that. Us puckheads up north here would break the damn thing thinking it was a hockey stick. They would then attempt to fix it by installing everything backwards, drowning it in maple syrup, and trying to teach it an unholy bastardized combination of french and english. Final fix would be slapping a munitions tax rate of three rounds out of every ten to be deducted from your ammo reserves at time of issue.
And now I wait for this thing to appear in Hunt: Showdown. Seriously, this looks like something that'll fit perfectly into that game and no one can tell me otherwise!
The difference between enlisted and officers today in the real world is not much except that the enlisted man will have generally a Technical or Engineering type of education level, Associate or above whereas the Officers will have a BA, that is a arts degree. So the enlisted man has a hands on background of what they are doing in if I do this I expect this to happen. Now most officers have a BA where it is more "I think, I feel, It should Be", The officers that do have a technical degree have never actually applied their learning in the area of their degree, and it is true if you don't use it you loose it. Spent 22 years active as enlisted had a AS in Mechanical Tech. and finished a AS in Electronics Tech, since then got a BS in Electronics Tech. After retiring ended up in the Steel industry in Maint Dept Management. Since I had my hands on experience and worked with several retired O club guys they were highly upset when I zoomed past them in advancement. They after all were they were Officers and I was a lowly retired enlisted man, their technical skills sorry to say was years out of date and what they did remember wasn't all that useful. They didn't grasp that you had to know the system inside and out to direct the repairs, and not tell others to handle it and walk away. This will NEVER change in the military the mindset is entrenched to deeply, so you just play the game.
MURICA! that's what happens when you scout schools for the kids who are dumb and have no future to fill you meat suits....i mean military :D takes a special kind of uneducated to not ask questions of their corrupt government and do whatever criminal activity they are told to for less than minimum wage in a country where minimum wage is below that of third world countries :D and that is 2022...... back then it was even worse :P
To me, the only other game that I've seen do something like this, though it prob would be considered a magazine, is the revolver capacity upgrade in BioShock. There's got to be more versions/examples of this idea than just this hopper added to the Colt-Franklin rifle.
having been enlisted, I think they were right. We were once handed brand spanking new MP7s. The first thing I did was accidentally launch the tiny firing pin spring across the room. I spent half an hour on my knees before I found it again. The first time we brought them to the range I managed to lose one of the brand new magazines in some tall grass. I never found it again. During an exercise I radioed a checkpoint to stop a car with a suspicious driver. When they asked what it looked like, I described it as "A quite ordinary car". Some guys once hoisted the flag at sunrise, but only hooked it up in one corner. It dangled at the top of the mast like a sad corpse for days before we managed to get it down. I figure it is usually better to invest in more training than shiny new rifles.
I'm surprised the ordinance board spent enough time looking at the fragility of the magazine. Usually they reject anything beyond a single shot on the grounds it has a magazine.
As a machinist who spends 50+hrs a week in front of a lathe and mill, I'm always blown away to see these old firearms more than a century ago. Also on a side note... Once upon a time I was an enlisted man in the U.S. Army. Ordnance Core believe it or not. Even in the early 2000's there still wasn't a high opinion of us enlisted. (Hint of sarcasm) I believe that's an old Army tradition though.
@@nicholas_scott It has been a few decades since I played, but feed elbows with thumb screws were pretty common when I did. In the case of vertical feeds, you'd put a little sized CP ring inside the feed tube of your hopper to press it hard into the 'straight feed elbow' of the gun.
@@nicholas_scott never had that issue myself, but my markers are either mag/tube fed. The one hopper fed marker I have uses a picatinny mount and is synced to the trigger via RF, only hopper I've ever used that will feed reballs reliably at 15bps.
I'm also thinking about that gravity feed load and eject scenario. This rifle would be fine from the bench, or a comfortable prone position, but running and diving? In a wagon? The trap door is pretty robust in comparison.
Wow. It's fascinating to see the development of guns and how clever were the ideas of these who tried to produce modern guns at the time. I liked the bullet feeding mechanism, very clever for the time it was produced. And yeah I agree with the fact that the mag is destined to be damaged during a battle. It's a nice Sharpshooter gun though!
@@confusedcapitalist2242 Again, if I was running and gunning in an army unit, it would be a hindrance. But for the Navy that would need them for handling small ship threats, policing captured/mutinous sailors, and keeping up the illusion of boarding actions still being a thing, it would be perfect. Those 9 rounds would be like having all the practical ammo they'd need on the rifle ready to go.
What a genius simple design.... The loading system was very much ahead of its time.... So much that they even welded their box magazines together LOL....
Not necessarily breaking but if you guys check out Forgotten Weapon's MAS-36 Bayonet video, two curious albeit idiotic French soldiers (in their defense, I would have done the same) used the locking mechanism of a bayonet to stick two of their guns together barrel to barrel effectively making them stuck and made the military come up with a measure to prevent this in the future lmao.
Yes, similar to the Lebel, such a thing appears possible. Though I wouldn't recommend a chambered round under a cocked striker for an extended amount of time.
When you think about it, this is kind of the predecessor to the Johnson Rifle of WWII vintage. Since it isn't a spring-fed magazine, like he says, it's basically just a hopper. I wonder if they could have done away with the serpentine track and simply put a lid on the box that a trooper could jump a half-dozen loose rounds into like you could with the Johnson.
Wow, a great example of the hybrid of technologies. With a spring in a box magazine mounted under the rifle and this rifle would be modern, and probably ahead of its time.
@@jic1 only if you've not soldered much sheet metal, it is not easy. I am unsure about the two gobs on the rear of the magazine (which are probably a repair of some kind) but the rest looks alright.
I feel like games should take guns like these as for cool reloading animations. I’m lookin at rdr2 right now. Not enough guns in that game. Everyone is shooting the same guns.
Relying on gravity rather than springs may have been an issue as well. It would seem that you would have to hold the weapon upright and level to work properly.
@@JTawesome92 technically so am i. i mean, most if not all british and commonwealth magazines are on the wrong place : upside down, sideways, bullpup, you name it
@@JTawesome92 I thought it was just in reference to the fact that it's fucking ridiculous. The Aussies love doing crazy shit. You ever heard of the HSV Maloo?
Reminds me of a comment made in regard to the XM214 and the probability of some 18 year old expending 1000 rounds to open a ration can. Now that I'm reminded of the existence of the XM214 I want a video on it...
As I was told by my instructor in the Basic Officer Leader's Course: "Joe is a dumb animal, never trust him with anything" Times really haven't changed
@@TheTechNopal prior enlisted tend to be the worst Officers because they still think they're NCOs. Two totally different jobs, the lines of which shouldn't blur. I respected my NCOs' positions and roles, and they respected mine. It's called staying in your lane, and prior enlisted Officers are most often awful at it
@@Paintplayer1 Prior enlisted know both sides. They know what it takes to lead and actually stick up for your enlisted troops. I wouldn't trust a frat boy out of college to lead me to the liquor store by the street corner. Hell, I don't even trust the majority of senior enlisted members since they become just as big of politicians as officers do. They all lose their way, only to start thinking about how to advance their careers. Officers like Capt. Crozier are far and few between. Would you say you would've done the same?
@@TheTechNopal common misconception. If you want an NCO, get an NCO. I would have and have sacrificed for my Soldiers, although I'm only a Company grade officer so it's not the same level. I've also been betrayed by Soldiers who I thought I could trust, lying for their own personal gain. Hence why I'm leaving. If you play politics to advance, you lose the respect of the men. If you sacrifice for the men, they betray you when your back is turned. Not the honorable organization I thought I signed up for. I've met maybe 10 people worth anything in my time in. The negatives outweigh the positives.
@@Paintplayer1 seems we've both been stabbed by the men we thought had our backs. With everything said, there really are terrible men put in places that they shouldn't be in, and you're right, the negatives do outweigh the positives. Same reason I got out as well.
@@FLEASPIRIT13 Yes, havent you noticed these paid adwertizers?That happens every time when there is big movie or game lounched. Last time it was movie endgame, full youtube was full of comments from random new acc, No matter what video, even meat cooking video was full of thanos comments,Sryy for my bad english, it will not improve too soon
Is the auto translate any good? My Spanish is is not good so I don't know how bad translation is. Even with the English subtitles there is still some assembly required, going to another language probably wouldn't help.
@@5000rgb Considering how bad it often is in English, I highly doubt it. There's a Top Gear episode where it thought Richard Hammond said "I'm a Nazi, James May!"
Even if the magazine got damaged, it would still function as a top loading single shot rifle. I think the thing to do would be to carry and use it as a single shot in most scenarios, and then pull the magazine out of a pouch during combat. Even a few of these in each unit would have meant a dramatic increase in firepower, and they could have been issued to only a select few. It would have been a boost, even in small numbers, and then when surpassed by newer designs, it would make decent weapon to "hand down" to rear line troops.
That makes more sense. No point carrying the rifle with the magazine attached where it's likely to get damaged. Issue a few of them and you could have the forerunners of today's SAW gunners.
Hallo Ian, that is really cool and forward thinking. I appreciate so much your work and the heart you put in it, I have a cool gun that I would like to see on your channel, it is the bodeo revolver, the Italian sidearm for ww1 I can only find Italian videos about it and not really detailed. Hope that you read the comment and that you consider the idea worth for a video, considered that you find a bodeo. As always thanks for the quality content you bring us and a good day.
I dont understand why someone would dislike this video or any of his videos. They are all about the same; explaining the history and mechanics of old firearms. What is so bad about this that you give it a dislike...
Troops in trials: Traces the word Colt with his finger. "Colt!" *Proceeds to dump 9 rounds downrange* Makes winnie-horsey sounds "Colt." Officers observing the trial: *Facepalm*
It never registered to me watching your videos about things passing through Rock Island Auction Company that Rock Island was an actual location. I now know where it is!
"So, we tested it on the range and we found it exceptionally good"
"Great, how much will you buy"
"What?"
ahh because exceptionally good means 'too good' in terms of mass production and cost?
@@jblps
No, it was because of how delicate the magazine was.
Almost looks like they just slapped one of those old hand-crank pencil sharpeners you used to use in grade school onto the side of the gun.
The hand crank pencil sharpener hadn't been invented yet. It came aground in 1896.
@ little did you know that this magazine was built with holes for pencils in case the troopers using it wanted to write home. /s
Heh zoomer only know ipod I show some penis eraser he say where charade iPhone form i say it pencil he ask "what does pencil" make iPad i say - george
@ that man made millions way faster than millionaires made millions.
@@jayuu8380
Keep working on that English buddy, you'll figure it out.
Colt: "anyone can help us making magazines for the Franklin"
Salt sprinkler company: we got you
First thing I thought about it 😂
You mean salt shaker? WTF is a salt sprinkler?🤔
can anybody here run a country?
*Donald Trump kicks a small child*
I can't....
*he said with disappointment*
*Republican Party*
We got you fellow moneyman!!! (parody of countrymen)
*Electoral College*
hehe deatroying democracy one day at a time.
*Democrats* ehhhhh probably should only bitch about this one and do nothing anybody got a bank i could get any kickbacks from? after all there is a pandemic killing people..
@The Muckler that's what came to mind for me too🤣✌
Can anybody here think for themselves?
*Another Mortal kicks a small child...*
I can't....
*he said with disappointment*
Neat rifle.
Yes an Infantry soldier would have broken that immediately.
And imagine what a Marine could do with it!
I had that same exact thought the instant I saw that magazine.
@@aapex1 turned it into modern art
@@michaelathens953 the thought of a worryingly muffled voice whining 'saaaarrrrrgggeee, its stuck'?
Yeah johnny boy in the field would instantly destroy it.
The stigma about enlisted combat-men breaking things is still true. My brother was an officer in the US Army and his first deployed platoon was in Kandahar Airport. Within 3 days, 4 of his soldiers broke their optics. When questioned about it, they said "well we heard they were tough enough to stand on so when Johnson stood on his, it broke, so we wanted to make sure ours were tough enough"
Lmao
weird. You should see what we thought of officers. Had more than one land nav course go far longer than it should have because the LT couldn't shoot an azimuth and put one foot in front of the other for 500m
"tough enough to withstand military service" really just means "tough enough to be subjected to the people who will be using it"
They really don't recruit the best and brightest, do they?
Yeah, that happened 👍👌
@@la-li-lu-le-lo9444 Thanks for your input 👍 it was very helpful. Also who are the patriots?
It did not pass the "soldier proof" examination
Nothing is soldier proof.
Only "soldier resistant"
how to split the atom: give it to a soldier and tell him not to break it.
@@windhelmguard5295 Sir, I lost my atom.
Sir, I was never issued an atom
"The common mistake in designing something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools."
Douglas Adams
Back then they looked at a thin bit of sheet metal dangling off the weapon and said its too delicate for service. Today they call it a lightweight, disposable magazine, say it will only be used once so the durability doesn't matter, and proceed to make you pick them up and reuse them for thirty years.
"There wasn't a very high opinion of enlisted men in the military at the time."
That's an understatement. From the 1878 U.S. Army Officer's Field Handbook: "Enlisted men are stupid but extremely cunning and sly and bear considerable watching."
Kelton Oliver most enlisted have the same opinion of officers!
To be fair, the battlefield is not a place where one should expect gentle treatment. Lots of actively dangerous situations and even more dangerous boredom.
Now that I think about it, level-headed academics would probably treat equipment less gently if you yelled and shot at them.
@@jarink1 both are accurate
Sounds like my co-workers.
@@jarink1 Having been both, I can confirm.
These kinds of things are exactly why I love this channel so much. Firearms development from the end of the Civil War until WW1 just had so many fascinating engineering solutions to what were brand new issues.
Also saddening to see so many brilliant, potentially game altering designs meet dead ends.
There was a definite "throw everything at the wall and see what sticks" mentality going on at the time.
Id really like to see this thing cycle either live rounds or dummy rounds
If you bid high enough, you can do it yourself.
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I've always wondered why Ian never invested in a set of snap caps in old cartridge dimensions, it'd really help demonstrate a lot of the weird actions.
@@ToastyMozart he has in older video
@@ToastyMozart If I had to guess, it's probably more hassle than it's worth to carry metallic, bullet-like items through the TSA. Plus, he doesn't always know what's available at any of the auction houses. I think in an older video he says sometimes he has a catalog of the upcoming auction items, other times he spots an interesting item while browsing through the show floor.
"The military did not have a high opinion of enlisted men". Pvt. Snuffy strikes where he can do the most damage.
Snafu?
I suppose Private Snuffy has taken to striking his own weapon
6:09 It performed well, and the military proceed to order none of them. I burst out laughing hearing this.
Well, that magazine won't last long in the hands of idi- I mean soldiers that will serve the American nation.
@@yevenlu3243 As bad as the officer corps, which at this time almost exclusively were products of the military academies, thought of the enlisted personnel and of a lower class. The enlisted of all nations effectively were of lower quality than the average US soldier, seamen or marine, as according to information in documents by most nations, the vast majority of soldiers had no education were likely either peasants or children of peasants. There was a very good chance that the Is soldier at least could read and write and probably attended grade school. Russian soldiers, British Troops, French Troops, German troops, etc. reportedly had neither, according to chroniclers of the day.
A possible exception might the Swiss, but that might be a stretch.
Pretty much all armies "enlisted" ranks or 'private soldiers' were universally considered cannon fodder.
@@charlesadams1721 What do you mean "were"? Even nowadays they're the first into the grinder, only now the officers don't outright state that they're disposable to them.
@@CThyran: considering the amounts of money that most Western armies devote t the training and upkeep to those who use volunteer forces and the incredible amount of effort to avoid almost any casualty, you can't say that those nations that have volunteer forces with substantial training consider their armies 'cannon fodder.'
Perhaps thinking from a perspective of the Communist Chinese or Sadaam's Iraqis or the average Iranian soldier or almost any other nation other than a few Western nations and modern Japan, then yes, the average draftee may be considered 'cannon fodder.'
Additionally, in most Western armies, starting in the 1930s officers were doctrinally required to be one of the every fist of ever combat team into action.
Example, The Brits, the Germans. the Japanese, the Americans.
Examining documentation and reports from WWII through to today bear this out.
Not the exceptions to the draftees and cannon fodder trend are once again found in those Western democracies such as Switzerland, Finland, Sweden to cite just a few and other nations principally in Oceania where the draft is common and the nations are democracies.
@@CThyran These days, military strategy is drastically different from how it was back then. They used to clump the soldiers together and use volley fire. Now, soldiers are used more as individual units since even a basic infantryman today has more firepower than almost any other soldier on the battlefield 100 years ago. It doesn't matter how shitty of a person an officer is, he wants to win the battle, and getting your men killed for nothing is the easiest way to lose the battle
1880s gun users: "yeah, that protruding box magazine will get definitely get damaged."
2000s gun users: "let's slap everything and anything on their guns."
Thankfully we've had a while to observe how badly they beat these things up, and have managed to make most of those components almost durable enough to survive being handled by infantry soldiers. Marines are still work in progress.
@@jubuttibwe're never going to be able to, you know how painful digesting crayons is.
@@andrewmoore7022 I know, but just because we can never reach perfection, doesn't mean we can't strive for it. =)
@@andrewmoore7022 gimme the fookin crayolas and nobody gets hurt!
@@jubuttib At least you can work with that. Us puckheads up north here would break the damn thing thinking it was a hockey stick. They would then attempt to fix it by installing everything backwards, drowning it in maple syrup, and trying to teach it an unholy bastardized combination of french and english. Final fix would be slapping a munitions tax rate of three rounds out of every ten to be deducted from your ammo reserves at time of issue.
This looks like the inspiration of the "bullet reservoir" pistol upgrade in Half Life Alyx
I was just about to comment the exact same thing haha
Yes
AngryEchidna yeah makes me wanna play the game again but I’m too lazy
LUFTWAFF3LS same
Fuck he’s onto us boys! He can’t be left alive :0
And now I wait for this thing to appear in Hunt: Showdown.
Seriously, this looks like something that'll fit perfectly into that game and no one can tell me otherwise!
I was thinking the same thing. It's got that crude, "I made this in my shed." Look to it.
I wish they'd also add the Merwin and Hulbert revolver as like an expensive medium ammo revolver. I think it'd fit so well as a high end handgun.
It looks like the bullet reservoir pistol upgrade in Half Life: Alyx
It would definitely be a good top tier gun. A middle ground between the Lebel and Mosin.
@@ZeFluffyKnight that'd be great. I'd like an American bolt action somewhere in the roster. (Even a weird experimental one)
“Low opinion of enlisted men”
War...war never changes
The difference between enlisted and officers today in the real world is not much except that the enlisted man will have generally a Technical or Engineering type of education level, Associate or above whereas the Officers will have a BA, that is a arts degree. So the enlisted man has a hands on background of what they are doing in if I do this I expect this to happen. Now most officers have a BA where it is more "I think, I feel, It should Be", The officers that do have a technical degree have never actually applied their learning in the area of their degree, and it is true if you don't use it you loose it. Spent 22 years active as enlisted had a AS in Mechanical Tech. and finished a AS in Electronics Tech, since then got a BS in Electronics Tech. After retiring ended up in the Steel industry in Maint Dept Management. Since I had my hands on experience and worked with several retired O club guys they were highly upset when I zoomed past them in advancement. They after all were they were Officers and I was a lowly retired enlisted man, their technical skills sorry to say was years out of date and what they did remember wasn't all that useful. They didn't grasp that you had to know the system inside and out to direct the repairs, and not tell others to handle it and walk away. This will NEVER change in the military the mindset is entrenched to deeply, so you just play the game.
@@thomasheer825 That's a middle-management problem that is not limited to the military.
It changes literally all the time lmao
@@SPACECOWBOY_Hej Shut its a fallout reference.
MURICA! that's what happens when you scout schools for the kids who are dumb and have no future to fill you meat suits....i mean military :D takes a special kind of uneducated to not ask questions of their corrupt government and do whatever criminal activity they are told to for less than minimum wage in a country where minimum wage is below that of third world countries :D and that is 2022...... back then it was even worse :P
I definitely see how the military was hesitant to adopt a rifle that relies on a miniature Rube Goldberg machine.
😂😂
Theoretically you could have up to 11 rounds on tap, right? One chambered, one in the pre-feeding position, and then the 9 round magazine
It needs a box mag with a cutoff, the you can have another 5
The original ghost load?
Trippy
No! More than 10 is Eviiiiil, only bad guys want that many rounds...
*hyperventilate*
Must. Ban. It.
@@DH-xw6jp High capacity assault musket shooting 100. caliber missile bullets from a pistol machine shotgun.
The “J.R.H jr” stamps are from J.R. Hegeman jr.; basically from what I gather he stamped all of his firearms in his collection.
Didn't that devalues them?
Considering Hegeman was one of the original Colt collectors, his stamp would most likely increase the value.
And to think i thought that magazine extension in HL:A was product of absolute fiction...
@CIA BETA Wing Half Life: Alyx
@CIA BETA Wing Half-Life: Alyx
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@@tudorcoman1466 Hegolas Lego: Adventures
To me, the only other game that I've seen do something like this, though it prob would be considered a magazine, is the revolver capacity upgrade in BioShock. There's got to be more versions/examples of this idea than just this hopper added to the Colt-Franklin rifle.
"Low opinion of the enlisted" sounds like it's never changes
Hehehehe... ohhhh
having been enlisted, I think they were right.
We were once handed brand spanking new MP7s. The first thing I did was accidentally launch the tiny firing pin spring across the room. I spent half an hour on my knees before I found it again. The first time we brought them to the range I managed to lose one of the brand new magazines in some tall grass. I never found it again.
During an exercise I radioed a checkpoint to stop a car with a suspicious driver. When they asked what it looked like, I described it as "A quite ordinary car".
Some guys once hoisted the flag at sunrise, but only hooked it up in one corner. It dangled at the top of the mast like a sad corpse for days before we managed to get it down.
I figure it is usually better to invest in more training than shiny new rifles.
Dana Herron just read the entire wiki. Holy shit....
Nope today its the total opposite. Enlisted are highly respected while the officers are well all over the place to be honest.
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@ that's why we rag on the army and marines for being so dumb. Mostly the marines tho 😜
I'm surprised the ordinance board spent enough time looking at the fragility of the magazine. Usually they reject anything beyond a single shot on the grounds it has a magazine.
How'd the 1911 ever get issued?
As a machinist who spends 50+hrs a week in front of a lathe and mill, I'm always blown away to see these old firearms more than a century ago.
Also on a side note... Once upon a time I was an enlisted man in the U.S. Army. Ordnance Core believe it or not. Even in the early 2000's there still wasn't a high opinion of us enlisted. (Hint of sarcasm) I believe that's an old Army tradition though.
The feeding on this is identical to most every paintball gun.
Eric Hansen and I don’t think there has been a Sunday where I didn’t see someone’s revvie fall off the gun, spilling paint everywhere
@@nicholas_scott It has been a few decades since I played, but feed elbows with thumb screws were pretty common when I did. In the case of vertical feeds, you'd put a little sized CP ring inside the feed tube of your hopper to press it hard into the 'straight feed elbow' of the gun.
@@nicholas_scott never had that issue myself, but my markers are either mag/tube fed. The one hopper fed marker I have uses a picatinny mount and is synced to the trigger via RF, only hopper I've ever used that will feed reballs reliably at 15bps.
Can't believe the military copied paintball guns 😂😂😂 you'd think they would have smarter engineers 😂😂😂😂😂
@Eye Above All (that's the joke)
“Elected Vice-President of Colt”? I didn’t know we got to vote for that.
This may have meant he was elected by a board of directors or, more likely, just some fancy way of saying he works for us now.
@AliasSLH I think it was a joke
Big Blue yeah I know there are elected positions, but I personally think it was a funny way to say that
Shareholders elect various positions at companies.
Now that is an American company
I'm also thinking about that gravity feed load and eject scenario. This rifle would be fine from the bench, or a comfortable prone position, but running and diving? In a wagon? The trap door is pretty robust in comparison.
Very interesting magazine and feeding system. It’s amazing how many different ways of doing a magazine system people have come up with over the years.
It would have been cool, if you could show it with training rounds. Greetings from Germany.
I was thinking that myself and realized that dummy bullets would not eject through the shortened ejection port.
@@dbmail545 You must be able to eject unfired rounds. Otherwise, how would you clear the rifle?
@@jic1 remove the magazine then remove the loaded round by hand
@@CelticClown23 I find it hard to believe a rifle that got as far as trials would require that, even in the 1880s.
@@dbmail545 I was not thinking about that lol
Still looks like it would do better in the mud test than the AUG.
"There wasnt a real high opinion of enlisted military men at the time.."
Oh, did kid yourself...they still dont..#rah
Yut
I didn't realize alien combine technology had been around for such a long time
I really appreciate all your content man, thank you!
Ghost of Gen. Custer wants to put in an order for 250 of them.
Wow. It's fascinating to see the development of guns and how clever were the ideas of these who tried to produce modern guns at the time. I liked the bullet feeding mechanism, very clever for the time it was produced. And yeah I agree with the fact that the mag is destined to be damaged during a battle. It's a nice Sharpshooter gun though!
I see where valve got their inspiration for the extended mag for the Alyx gun
Once again the most interesting gun review on you tube , you are the man Ian.
I am NOT gonna be the dude who breaks this.. Lol i know that feeling bro
Wow , that's a unique looking rifle. Thanks for showing this Rifle , Ian !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THIS IS TIGHT, AND I AM NOT GOING TO BE THE DUDE THAT BREAKS THIS.
-IAN 2020
If only we could see all these amazing, unique and historical weapons in action. Either way, it's nice to be introduced to them.
WTF !! Its only Easter Saturday ! 🤔
Ian isn't suppose to reappear on TH-cam until the 3rd day ! 😇
👍🏻Brilliantly done
That is so incredibly cool. And it's definitely forgotten and obscure. Best video in awhile!
When paintball was taken seriously
Thank you , Ian .
Oh hey, I see you found a combine fabricator...
They slapped that thing into the combine fabricator
Bullet reservoir
Resine cost: 30
Add a reservoir that holds 9 aditinonal bullets
At the beginning of every video I have watched over the last who knows many year. When he says "my name is". I always respond out loud. "Hi Ian!"
This could probably be repurposed these days to dispense the most powerful of items: Toilet paper. 1 shot, 1 sheet;}
It's neat how it feeds from the mag upon closing the bolt, not many weapons like that
Magazine looks like a can of hamper corned beef
This “missing link” in the origins of the magazine demonstrates that like most inventions, it was evolutionary.
I like the caveman-esque way we added stuff to guns back in the days
You do a great job Ian, cheers
The hopper magazine is too clunky for the army, but I feel this would still have been a perfect small arm for it's time for the US Navy.
TheNinjaDC not going to lie, seems great but if it came down to it, I would rather be able to have a bigger field of view when I’m aiming my rifle.
@@confusedcapitalist2242
Again, if I was running and gunning in an army unit, it would be a hindrance. But for the Navy that would need them for handling small ship threats, policing captured/mutinous sailors, and keeping up the illusion of boarding actions still being a thing, it would be perfect.
Those 9 rounds would be like having all the practical ammo they'd need on the rifle ready to go.
Just like how the French navy had the Kropachek.
What a genius simple design.... The loading system was very much ahead of its time.... So much that they even welded their box magazines together LOL....
Hey, that hopper is the inspiration for the pistol magazine upgrade in Half Life: Alyx
Not necessarily breaking but if you guys check out Forgotten Weapon's MAS-36 Bayonet video, two curious albeit idiotic French soldiers (in their defense, I would have done the same) used the locking mechanism of a bayonet to stick two of their guns together barrel to barrel effectively making them stuck and made the military come up with a measure to prevent this in the future lmao.
Could you have a round in the chamber, one in the cutout, plus the magazine allowing it to carry 11 rounds?
Yes, similar to the Lebel, such a thing appears possible. Though I wouldn't recommend a chambered round under a cocked striker for an extended amount of time.
Zachary Rollick yet another way for an enlisted man to turn it into scrap.
@@ethanworner864 I'd be more worried an ND in that specific situation.
When you think about it, this is kind of the predecessor to the Johnson Rifle of WWII vintage. Since it isn't a spring-fed magazine, like he says, it's basically just a hopper. I wonder if they could have done away with the serpentine track and simply put a lid on the box that a trooper could jump a half-dozen loose rounds into like you could with the Johnson.
Wow,last time I was this early the Chinese just invented gunpowder!
Wow, a great example of the hybrid of technologies.
With a spring in a box magazine mounted under the rifle and this rifle would be modern, and probably ahead of its time.
I get that this is basically a prototype, but the welding on that magazine is crude as hell.
1884. There wasn't much welding of any kind going on (other than forge-welding). This box is soldered together using a hot iron heated over a fire.
jic1 Soldering’ll do that.
@@moconnell663 In that case, the soldering is crude as hell.
@@jic1 only if you've not soldered much sheet metal, it is not easy. I am unsure about the two gobs on the rear of the magazine (which are probably a repair of some kind) but the rest looks alright.
This era of firearms design is so crazy and I love it
I saw the thumbnail and literally thought, what in the sweet hell is that... Now I have to watch it.
Here to leave the mandatory videogame reference since this looks like the Pistol Ammo Reserve upgrade from Half Life Alyx
I feel like games should take guns like these as for cool reloading animations. I’m lookin at rdr2 right now. Not enough guns in that game. Everyone is shooting the same guns.
Relying on gravity rather than springs may have been an issue as well. It would seem that you would have to hold the weapon upright and level to work properly.
the combat roll wasn't invented until 1885
Man, I feel like you guys have at least 1 of every “rare” firearm in the world
Timo’s Limos atleast
It's not his own he just makes a video with the firearms before they are sold at the auction house
He's a rare firearms appraiser for various auction houses.
If Ian doesn't, then The Fireplace Guy does
Erik Sievers I know, that’s why I said “you guys”
Thanks
For some reason I'm sure Australians were involved in this
Yeah, the magazine placement is very british and the commonwealth
@@thesturm8686 I think he was making a joke about the mag being upside down.
@@JTawesome92 technically so am i. i mean, most if not all british and commonwealth magazines are on the wrong place : upside down, sideways, bullpup, you name it
@@thesturm8686 those germans didn´t enjoy the magazine placement on the enfield very much at mons !
@@JTawesome92 I thought it was just in reference to the fact that it's fucking ridiculous. The Aussies love doing crazy shit. You ever heard of the HSV Maloo?
Reminds me of a comment made in regard to the XM214 and the probability of some 18 year old expending 1000 rounds to open a ration can.
Now that I'm reminded of the existence of the XM214 I want a video on it...
As I was told by my instructor in the Basic Officer Leader's Course:
"Joe is a dumb animal, never trust him with anything"
Times really haven't changed
Officers are shit for the most part. I've only met two worth following, and they were prior enlisted.
@@TheTechNopal prior enlisted tend to be the worst Officers because they still think they're NCOs. Two totally different jobs, the lines of which shouldn't blur. I respected my NCOs' positions and roles, and they respected mine. It's called staying in your lane, and prior enlisted Officers are most often awful at it
@@Paintplayer1 Prior enlisted know both sides. They know what it takes to lead and actually stick up for your enlisted troops. I wouldn't trust a frat boy out of college to lead me to the liquor store by the street corner. Hell, I don't even trust the majority of senior enlisted members since they become just as big of politicians as officers do. They all lose their way, only to start thinking about how to advance their careers. Officers like Capt. Crozier are far and few between. Would you say you would've done the same?
@@TheTechNopal common misconception. If you want an NCO, get an NCO. I would have and have sacrificed for my Soldiers, although I'm only a Company grade officer so it's not the same level. I've also been betrayed by Soldiers who I thought I could trust, lying for their own personal gain. Hence why I'm leaving. If you play politics to advance, you lose the respect of the men. If you sacrifice for the men, they betray you when your back is turned. Not the honorable organization I thought I signed up for. I've met maybe 10 people worth anything in my time in. The negatives outweigh the positives.
@@Paintplayer1 seems we've both been stabbed by the men we thought had our backs. With everything said, there really are terrible men put in places that they shouldn't be in, and you're right, the negatives do outweigh the positives. Same reason I got out as well.
1. Saw this checked it wasn't from April 1. 2. Thought Colt Frankenstein, 3. Impressed at 4000 rounds no issues.
Why does it look like I can iron my clothes with that mag
Multiple purpose field gear.
TH-cam: "Yo bro ever heard of Detachable magazine ?"
Me: "Ya mean bullet reservoir upgrade ?
Same thing like Owen mag for Martini Henry.
So simple yet so ingenues
“Insert half life alyx reference here”
I love your video's; they're both informative and soothing (that is, as long as you don't start shooting!) :p
Wow, so the pistole ammo upgrade from Half Life Alyx and Bioshock 1 aren't bullshit?
Such a clever and simple feeding system
Isn’t that the same magazine used on the pistol in Half Life: Alyx? 😂
no its othervise
Jane May you’re an angry little brat, aren’t you?
@@FLEASPIRIT13 Yes, havent you noticed these paid adwertizers?That happens every time when there is big movie or game lounched. Last time it was movie endgame, full youtube was full of comments from random new acc, No matter what video, even meat cooking video was full of thanos comments,Sryy for my bad english, it will not improve too soon
@@TheRealColBosch true, i just believe it is some kind of adwertising troll stuff. Just like car tesla got well known due to memes
@Titan Mechanism No im not paranoic. Ive been livin my half life online. Internet is very powerfull and new generations are basic consumers
In a plot twist, that collector that saved so many of these rifles was Ian, after he discovered time travel.
Hello friend, it is possible to add Spanish subtitles in the videos, a greeting.
Is the auto translate any good? My Spanish is is not good so I don't know how bad translation is. Even with the English subtitles there is still some assembly required, going to another language probably wouldn't help.
@@5000rgb Considering how bad it often is in English, I highly doubt it. There's a Top Gear episode where it thought Richard Hammond said "I'm a Nazi, James May!"
Even if the magazine got damaged, it would still function as a top loading single shot rifle.
I think the thing to do would be to carry and use it as a single shot in most scenarios, and then pull the magazine out of a pouch during combat. Even a few of these in each unit would have meant a dramatic increase in firepower, and they could have been issued to only a select few.
It would have been a boost, even in small numbers, and then when surpassed by newer designs, it would make decent weapon to "hand down" to rear line troops.
That makes more sense. No point carrying the rifle with the magazine attached where it's likely to get damaged. Issue a few of them and you could have the forerunners of today's SAW gunners.
this reminds me of the extra mag upgrade in half-life Alyx
I can imagine throughout your work as a hands-on historian, you had some things gone kaput in your hands. Those would be some interesting stories too
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Hallo Ian, that is really cool and forward thinking.
I appreciate so much your work and the heart you put in it, I have a cool gun that I would like to see on your channel, it is the bodeo revolver, the Italian sidearm for ww1 I can only find Italian videos about it and not really detailed. Hope that you read the comment and that you consider the idea worth for a video, considered that you find a bodeo.
As always thanks for the quality content you bring us and a good day.
This almost looks like the extended magazine for the pistol in Half Life: Alyx!
@@TheRealColBosch you are so clever and original, like the other 20 replies you copy pasted
I dont understand why someone would dislike this video or any of his videos. They are all about the same; explaining the history and mechanics of old firearms. What is so bad about this that you give it a dislike...
Troops in trials:
Traces the word Colt with his finger.
"Colt!"
*Proceeds to dump 9 rounds downrange*
Makes winnie-horsey sounds
"Colt."
Officers observing the trial:
*Facepalm*
That should be worth a ton of money. That is damned cool between its design and it being a Colt.
Half Life Alyx, anyone?
Was going to say that with the side hopper hanging there with holes in it.
Now THIS is a forgotten weapon.
They stole it from Half life: alyx
Interesting brazing done on the Magazine
I feel like this is where Half-life Alyx got its pistol ammo reservoir idea
It never registered to me watching your videos about things passing through Rock Island Auction Company that Rock Island was an actual location. I now know where it is!