I don't have a scope either. Just a soldering iron and a multimeter. Has worked for me until now as I just do you average around the house electronics repair as a Joe Average.
@@smeezekitty Must be searching in the wrong spots in the Netherlands, because it's relatively cheaper to get a new one than a second hand jobby. The price difference I saw were pretty small to be honest.
I got this kit a couple of months ago. I had the same reaction. Absolutely life changing. One note. The sp10 probes can be used as the ground connection, or for DMM connections or injecting signals/power. The two wire connectors on them let you daisy chain then or just put a well placed jumper from one place to another.
Who still has one of those 3rd hands with magnifying glass that keeps flopping in the breeze tossed into a corner out of anger and frustration? Raise your hands! ✋
heh... fond memories... used to own one myself and i accidentally knocked it over breaking the glass, so i got rid of the glass ring and kept the rest of it.... but yeah, i have tossed one into a corner because of that reason aside from breaking the glass
Good influencers save people time and make companies money. Bad influencers waste peoples time and money.....good thing electronics at this tooling level is not a mainstream thing
@@Zonkotron The trick from the company side is to have an amazing product. As in this case, it does one thing really well. Don't try to cheat or paper over problems, because it will be called out. On the "influencer" side, we trust Dave to say what he thinks. Heck, even Linus Tech Tips is extremely specific about stating what is sponsored content (read an ad) versus their reviews.
Im using this kit wit 1x probe for years, i even moded the sharp tip to a rounded pogo pin. [I work with flexible PCBs(Ag on TPU) so sharp tip will go trough the pcb. There a getting-used-to while using this /getting the angle right. But for a R&D and diagnosis its best of the shelf solution.Also PCB Workstation with Nano-Probes by giufini is also a DIY-3D-Print solution!
I am nailing down my debit and credit cards right now. WOW I want this. I understand your enthusiasm. This would have saved so much grief over the years.
Nice to see they added oscilloscope probes to their line-up. Ordered a bunch rightaway. Have been using their classic 'SP-10' in conjunction with a normal scope probes, but that was always kind of messy. Actually never cared much for the PCBite holder itself, most of the time I simply stick the goosenecks to a small 0.5kg gym weight or something like that. The probes are sharp enough to maintain position even if there is a bit of movement between the probe support and the circuit board.
Most of the time I see gadgets for helping with working on the bench and it feels like "1 off" "dust collector" "trinket", but I have to say, this one made me go "Oh, okay, I'm in!" *especially* when you pushed it down and it locked in place with the spring loading --- winner!
@@mladen1000 you still have to make work/job investments during the process, otherwise you'll end up with no cashflow/jobs after and subsequently sink.
Just what I needed, ordered. I'm sure it'll be bery helpful for debugging new Betaflight/FlightOne/Cleanflight/PX4 code on my new SP Racing H7 flight controller boards.
I only recently became aware of these magnetic board holders. The downside I have seen demonstrated with the holder style is that is could knock smd components off. A variation I have seen is has a cylindrical concave surface that supports the board without having to actually clamp on to it. I am definitely getting a set of those probes.
Thank you for reviewing this Dave! I have been wondering about asking you to take a look at it for the last couple of weeks before Christmas and looks like Father Christmas arranged for you to get one and do it!
Even if you don't have a scope, anything that uses probes could benefit from this. If you have (a) multimeter(s) you're watching voltages with, you could use this. Grab some BNC to banana adapters and you're set. Or clip to the SP10.
That's a bit of well thought goodness. maybe if the business end of the probes were insulated toward the tips (if they're not already laquered) might mitigate the accidental shorting scenario
anyone who works alone and has to probe more then 1 thing at a time knows how hard it is to just hold a probe steady.... this is perfect, and I check the price, very reasonable!!
I got some PCBite probes finally! Unfortunately, I didn't get them from K&A because shipping to the USA was way too much. Interestingly, according to the specs of PCBite, the capacitance and impedance values show them to be incompatible with many oscilloscopes. That includes the Rigol DS1054z shown in the full page slick that comes with the probes. Despite being out of spec for the DS1054Z, they work just fine with that scope.
Dammit Dave, you're costing me more money! First it was the Ioniq (got my all-electric last month), and now it's these probes! I can do the PCB spring clips on my 3D printer, but those pogo-pin probes are beautiful. On my board, it's lots of test points, maybe deliberate solder mask gaps in early revs, but those are really,really nice. Having a set of those on hand will save me from using as many of my "special words" while debiugging!
Wow, those are AWESOME! Would be nice if K&A would put together a package with a couple 200Mhz probes but I guess it can be bought separately. Suggestions on what I should tell swmbo?
can we also talk about how lovely it is to have large color indicators! When I am doing tests I always have more then 4 cables out (pwr, oscilloscope probes, Voltage, amps, etc..) , and its hard, especially when all my wires are on the table to identify which wire is which but those large indicators are going to be awesome!!
well this aint solar roadways!...ive never seen Dave so excited!.. he needs a fresh pair of underpants i think! :P thats a really nice tool...the design is awesome! ..heh just got one of them same EGA/CGA to VGA boards to hook up old 8bit to a monitor!
I wonder if a blunt probe tip with a notch in it would make stay on the chosen pin even more securely? It might not work as well for such tiny pins, but could work even better as an option for less fine ones.
Dave (or anyone else with these) - have you tried them on the RTB2004? Specified compensation range is down to 15 pF, whereas the RTB2k is only about 10!
Will the PCBite help you with shots under the Targano microscope, once adjusted for the change in depth? Seems like it provides a pretty solid single platform, which you could slide to show different views. Just my 2 tamagochi. Oh! And hot air re-work; with the greater airflow around the board it would cool more quickly! Yep, a force multiplier tool for sure. Need one, but need a lab first!!
You say we need it, but I don't see why since my third hand cheap magnifying stand does exactly this for me? Personally I still would rather just very quickly solder a tiny wire as well. Especially for more sensitive or expensive boards. Also takes like a minute.
This is so handy! I really like it. But why the massively expensive price? Just a basic setup you could buy 3 nice Brymen BM235 or Fluke MM. The problem with this massively over-inflated price is someone in China will copy it all and sell it for $5-10 on eBay or Alix.
Wow, these probes really bite! I suspect quite a bit of materials engineering went into the support structure of the probes. Making a cable with just the right balance of flexibility and rigidity to stand up like that is non-trivial.
Shy boys get nowt..! Im too polite and over the years ive noticed louder, brasher Peeps get more. But im still the same. Its how i was brought up...manners and shit
@@EEVblog BTW, you can easily improve performance of these probes by soldering a short length of copper wire to the ground can, or to the exposed gold ground pads on the back side. See my review xdevs.com/review/sp200/
Hey Dave, I've emailed you thru Amazon and thru eevblog emails, and I have'nt had a response. I am having troubles with your BM235 meter, and I need to find out how to get it exchanged under warranty. Bought it in August 2020, and I says it has a 1 year warranty, but Amazon says it was only able to be returned up until Sept 20(30days). Please help, I need my meter, badly.
200 Mhz scope and probe. Yeah, that's good for looking at up to 40 mhz electronics with good fidelity. Has Dave ever done a video on oscilloscopes/probes for today's gigahertz electronics?
I have the PCBite system for quiet a while now and it's pretty awesome. It's a bit on the expensive side, though... I covered the metal sheet with a ESD matt.
those x1 probes would be fantastic for logic analyzers i doubt i can get away with asking for 10 ... but i will try EDIT: those prices are fantastic, seriously, $115 for 4 of them, if you got 20 your still under the cost of a good high quality fine pitched probing kit thats far less versatile
Looks compelling, I wish they were conformally coated or had some kind of nonconductive covers. Probes get dragged over PCB's by accident and those exposed shields are a hazard imho.
@@EEVblog True, but I thought they were looking for feedback. I can't imagine it increasing BOM that much and it would make their product that much better.
@@ferrumignis I can envision a case where you can accidentally lean the shield against tall energized objects like a power supply or something with bus bars. I would probably wrap the probes in Kapton if doing this, but I don't see any reason this couldn't be straight from the factory and they were looking for feedback on their new product.
It only works on pcb board installed horizontally on that metal base, don't see how useful it can be when probing instruments and actual systems with pcb inside.
Err, no, the PCB does not have to be on that metal base, that's just to provide a more secure base so the holder base doesn't slide. You don't need the PCB holders at all, the board can just be sitting on your bench, the probe has plenty of reach.
I have a little metal stand that I connect the probes to and hang it over the piece of equipment I'm probing when I can't take off the enclosure fully.
Thanks for sharing Dave! If anyone has any further questions on the PCBite system, comment below and I'd be happy to answer them.
Cheers,
Anthony
I doubt you will ever get a more positive review than that one.
send one to Louis Rossman?
@@eliotmansfield I've shared to Louis's discord server chat
Anthony - would you consider sending a set to Paul Daniels in Qld? m.th-cam.com/users/19PLD73
Brilliant probe, curious marc would find this useful th-cam.com/users/CuriousMarc
Everybody: PC-Bite
Dave: PCB-ite
It's because everything else in Australia bites.
@@Skilldibop lol
He really molybdenum'd that one!
Its a trick to make us remember the name better.
If you label something capital PCB then it gets damn well pronounced PCB. PC-Bite or PCbite if you wanted something else.
I don't even have a scope and I want this now.
time to get a scope mate
I don't have a scope either. Just a soldering iron and a multimeter. Has worked for me until now as I just do you average around the house electronics repair as a Joe Average.
You can get a used scope quite cheap. Its worth it if you do anything more than the most basic electronics
@@smeezekitty Must be searching in the wrong spots in the Netherlands, because it's relatively cheaper to get a new one than a second hand jobby. The price difference I saw were pretty small to be honest.
I got this kit a couple of months ago. I had the same reaction. Absolutely life changing.
One note. The sp10 probes can be used as the ground connection, or for DMM connections or injecting signals/power. The two wire connectors on them let you daisy chain then or just put a well placed jumper from one place to another.
Who still has one of those 3rd hands with magnifying glass that keeps flopping in the breeze tossed into a corner out of anger and frustration? Raise your hands! ✋
heh... fond memories... used to own one myself and i accidentally knocked it over breaking the glass, so i got rid of the glass ring and kept the rest of it.... but yeah, i have tossed one into a corner because of that reason aside from breaking the glass
I took the magnifying glass off and use it hand held instead. Comes in handy for other things too :)
Yep I use these all the time. They also work great as an electrical connection
Yep.
+1
The power of influencers. I just ordered the big kit. I know I will love it
Good influencers save people time and make companies money. Bad influencers waste peoples time and money.....good thing electronics at this tooling level is not a mainstream thing
Perhaps but can this truly an awesome idea/product. Can't wait to get it!
@@Zonkotron The trick from the company side is to have an amazing product. As in this case, it does one thing really well. Don't try to cheat or paper over problems, because it will be called out. On the "influencer" side, we trust Dave to say what he thinks. Heck, even Linus Tech Tips is extremely specific about stating what is sponsored content (read an ad) versus their reviews.
@@arthurmoore9488 Which is exactly what i said in 3 times the space ;)
@@Zonkotron That's right .. there's influencers and effluencers.
Dave's enthusiasm for this product and its various nice nuances really resonates with those of us who spend any intensive time at the bench!
Wow, just wow. That is some brilliant engineering and a must have for probing SMD chips with such a fine pitch. Absolutely amazing
used this during one of my internships. it's so good when debugging digital signals
Im using this kit wit 1x probe for years, i even moded the sharp tip to a rounded pogo pin. [I work with flexible PCBs(Ag on TPU) so sharp tip will go trough the pcb. There a getting-used-to while using this /getting the angle right. But for a R&D and diagnosis its best of the shelf solution.Also PCB Workstation with Nano-Probes by giufini is also a DIY-3D-Print solution!
PCB- ite???? whaahahahahhahahahaha PC BITE. Well done Dee-Ave
I'm not the one that named it PCBite and not PCbite or PC-Bite. If you are going to capitalise PCB then I'm damn well going to say PCB.
i would think it was called PCB-bite
@@EEVblog The logo literally has a “bite” taken out. But ok.
@@EEVblog Is that an A ustrailian thing?
@@ianmorris8534
I used to say ATM machine, I got called out on it once now I’m a smart arse and call it an ATM-achine.
Damn you Dave, once i got scope you show something new i need to get... This electronics hobby is worse money sink then owning a boat.
I have those PCBite board holders, and have been using them good amount of time. They worth every penny!
I am nailing down my debit and credit cards right now. WOW I want this. I understand your enthusiasm. This would have saved so much grief over the years.
winner winner chicken dinner ! - got it on order 200Mhz probe version, good one Dave, it just fell into your lap.
Nice to see they added oscilloscope probes to their line-up. Ordered a bunch rightaway. Have been using their classic 'SP-10' in conjunction with a normal scope probes, but that was always kind of messy. Actually never cared much for the PCBite holder itself, most of the time I simply stick the goosenecks to a small 0.5kg gym weight or something like that. The probes are sharp enough to maintain position even if there is a bit of movement between the probe support and the circuit board.
Simple idea + great engineering and build quality = awesome product :)
These have the SP10 also for multimeters with 4mm banana plugs.
Well done - Already ordered it from Batronix :-)
Most of the time I see gadgets for helping with working on the bench and it feels like "1 off" "dust collector" "trinket", but I have to say, this one made me go "Oh, okay, I'm in!" *especially* when you pushed it down and it locked in place with the spring loading --- winner!
You should save money for your house
@@mladen1000 you still have to make work/job investments during the process, otherwise you'll end up with no cashflow/jobs after and subsequently sink.
This is a no brainer, even if you do not work on pcbs on a regular basis. I will order it immediately.
Just what I needed, ordered. I'm sure it'll be bery helpful for debugging new Betaflight/FlightOne/Cleanflight/PX4 code on my new SP Racing H7 flight controller boards.
I've had these for a while now and they're freaking great 😁👌
Just bought a set because of this video. Thanks for recommending!
This gear is awesome. I hope they sell shedloads
Ordering in the next day or two.
@@pldaniels and multmeter ones also!
They are going to be very happy with that review.
It gets better! They have dmm probes too!!!
Yes, showed those in the full mailbag video. Handy!
I'd like to think, this should be be a main channel video - even with the product plot. Interesting af, I'm really considering to buy that thing now.
It's in the new mailbag on the main channel.
I bought one kit, those probes are fantastic.
That's definitely a nice setup 👍🏼👍🏼
I only recently became aware of these magnetic board holders. The downside I have seen demonstrated with the holder style is that is could knock smd components off. A variation I have seen is has a cylindrical concave surface that supports the board without having to actually clamp on to it. I am definitely getting a set of those probes.
A blessing for people with phocomelia. Sincere cheers, mate.
Thank you for reviewing this Dave! I have been wondering about asking you to take a look at it for the last couple of weeks before Christmas and looks like Father Christmas arranged for you to get one and do it!
Why a beautiful setup!
This looks brilliant !
Kit ordered now :)
Thanks for the tip, this will be very handy
Even if you don't have a scope, anything that uses probes could benefit from this. If you have (a) multimeter(s) you're watching voltages with, you could use this. Grab some BNC to banana adapters and you're set. Or clip to the SP10.
similar pcb clamps were in a voltlog video few days ago.
That's a bit of well thought goodness. maybe if the business end of the probes were insulated toward the tips (if they're not already laquered) might mitigate the accidental shorting scenario
anyone who works alone and has to probe more then 1 thing at a time knows how hard it is to just hold a probe steady.... this is perfect, and I check the price, very reasonable!!
Only $270 for 4 probes.
I got some PCBite probes finally! Unfortunately, I didn't get them from K&A because shipping to the USA was way too much. Interestingly, according to the specs of PCBite, the capacitance and impedance values show them to be incompatible with many oscilloscopes. That includes the Rigol DS1054z shown in the full page slick that comes with the probes. Despite being out of spec for the DS1054Z, they work just fine with that scope.
Dammit Dave, you're costing me more money! First it was the Ioniq (got my all-electric last month), and now it's these probes! I can do the PCB spring clips on my 3D printer, but those pogo-pin probes are beautiful. On my board, it's lots of test points, maybe deliberate solder mask gaps in early revs, but those are really,really nice. Having a set of those on hand will save me from using as many of my "special words" while debiugging!
Wow, those are AWESOME! Would be nice if K&A would put together a package with a couple 200Mhz probes but I guess it can be bought separately. Suggestions on what I should tell swmbo?
Bought it. Love it. They are excellent!
can we also talk about how lovely it is to have large color indicators! When I am doing tests I always have more then 4 cables out (pwr, oscilloscope probes, Voltage, amps, etc..) , and its hard, especially when all my wires are on the table to identify which wire is which but those large indicators are going to be awesome!!
They thought about that really well.
@@EEVblog so much better then those tinny color indicators that can easily be hidden by a single wire lol
well this aint solar roadways!...ive never seen Dave so excited!.. he needs a fresh pair of underpants i think! :P
thats a really nice tool...the design is awesome!
..heh just got one of them same EGA/CGA to VGA boards to hook up old 8bit to a monitor!
Let´s call it TECHGASM 😂
thats why its called the PC'BITE' cause it bites into the PCBs :)
PC Bite because it bites in PCs?
i would think it was called PCB-bite..
So you say it Ites into PCBs?
If you label something capital PCB then it gets damn well pronounced PCB. PC-Bite or PCbite if you wanted something else.
I wonder if a blunt probe tip with a notch in it would make stay on the chosen pin even more securely? It might not work as well for such tiny pins, but could work even better as an option for less fine ones.
Let´s call it a turningpoint?!
I allways wondered how to probe
13:20 Glad to see you swapped the red rubber bumper for the green to match the channel 2 colour on the scope. That was hurting my OCD :P
Glad someone appreciated that :-D
Wow I needed these need to probe a circuit to find the runt pulses but I don't feel like holding the probes for hours on end.
I spot a Gonbes video converter. I'm waiting for mine to arrive. Excited
great idea
This is a very nice Kit. its on my wish list for2021
Dave (or anyone else with these) - have you tried them on the RTB2004? Specified compensation range is down to 15 pF, whereas the RTB2k is only about 10!
I just got a scope for christmas (Rigol DS1054) and now I'm convincing myself that I don't need these.
I just discovered this. It's a wonderful invention. I understand the high price (in canada).
extreme cool tool!
Will the PCBite help you with shots under the Targano microscope, once adjusted for the change in depth? Seems like it provides a pretty solid single platform, which you could slide to show different views. Just my 2 tamagochi. Oh! And hot air re-work; with the greater airflow around the board it would cool more quickly! Yep, a force multiplier tool for sure. Need one, but need a lab first!!
You say we need it, but I don't see why since my third hand cheap magnifying stand does exactly this for me?
Personally I still would rather just very quickly solder a tiny wire as well. Especially for more sensitive or expensive boards. Also takes like a minute.
*goes to find a UK supplier*
To which the answer is apparently "The same people who are the UK reseller for Rigol", so that's handy.
Brilliant !
Happy new year Dave 🎉🎈🎂
might need to get some of these... :D
@17:02 "This new PCB wireless probe thing..."
Hmmmm, WIRELESS probes huh??? That WILL be handy to have!
This is so handy! I really like it.
But why the massively expensive price? Just a basic setup you could buy 3 nice Brymen BM235 or Fluke MM.
The problem with this massively over-inflated price is someone in China will copy it all and sell it for $5-10 on eBay or Alix.
Wow, these probes really bite!
I suspect quite a bit of materials engineering went into the support structure of the probes. Making a cable with just the right balance of flexibility and rigidity to stand up like that is non-trivial.
Likely took many design revisions.
Looks pretty good, I wonder if I can get them to send me one too?
Shy boys get nowt..! Im too polite and over the years ive noticed louder, brasher Peeps get more. But im still the same. Its how i was brought up...manners and shit
Cheapskate
Did I spot that right, are these regular pogo pins?
That would mean that you could even have different probe tips for different situations
Not sure if a standard size, but yes.
Shut up and take my money! It's brilliant!
What about using this with ( active ) probes ?
@EEVBlog2 So did you like it then Dave? ;)
Hard to tell...
Something I've always wondered about those "antenna earth leads"
Is the issue the thickness of the wire, the length of the wire, or both?
The length and the inductance caused by it.
@@EEVblog BTW, you can easily improve performance of these probes by soldering a short length of copper wire to the ground can, or to the exposed gold ground pads on the back side.
See my review xdevs.com/review/sp200/
But why only on the eevblog2 channel? If it's this good surely it should be on the main channel?
It is, in the Mailbag.
Cold I also use that to do measurements on my solar roadway panels?🤔
The best equipment for those who get frustrated
would these work if the PCB is at an angle?
Love it
Hey Dave, I've emailed you thru Amazon and thru eevblog emails, and I have'nt had a response. I am having troubles with your BM235 meter, and I need to find out how to get it exchanged under warranty. Bought it in August 2020, and I says it has a 1 year warranty, but Amazon says it was only able to be returned up until Sept 20(30days). Please help, I need my meter, badly.
How is the ground connection made? If it is a long loop, it isn't a good HF probe.
To answer my own question, one could use another PCBite probe to find a close ground and then use a short jumper to get that ground to the probe.
Looks like a winner... Not sure how folks outside of Oz would get one, is there a rep or distributer in NA for example?
sensepeek.com/resellers
On my list :)
10:42 “Perfectly balanced. Like all things in the universe should be.”
200 Mhz scope and probe. Yeah, that's good for looking at up to 40 mhz electronics with good fidelity. Has Dave ever done a video on oscilloscopes/probes for today's gigahertz electronics?
Could you use one probe for gnd and link it over to the signal probe?
Yes, the sp10's work great for that. They can also inject signals or power to pins
1:22 - was Anthony the father? For some reason I had pictured him in my mind's eye as the son when you were reading his letter.
Oh, not sure actually!
@@EEVblog2 I can confirm that I am the son haha! I should have been more clear in the letter - Anthony
"Mikey likes it!"
I have the PCBite system for quiet a while now and it's pretty awesome. It's a bit on the expensive side, though... I covered the metal sheet with a ESD matt.
those x1 probes would be fantastic for logic analyzers
i doubt i can get away with asking for 10 ... but i will try
EDIT: those prices are fantastic, seriously, $115 for 4 of them, if you got 20 your still under the cost of a good high quality fine pitched probing kit thats far less versatile
i'm gonna hazard a guess here and say I think Dave likes them
When dave jones starts to moan ..... uha, i'm impressed. ;)
Ordered...
Looks compelling, I wish they were conformally coated or had some kind of nonconductive covers. Probes get dragged over PCB's by accident and those exposed shields are a hazard imho.
You could heat shrink it yourself if needed.
Dragging a probe over a live PCB risks shorting pins with the probe tip, let alone the shield.
@@ferrumignis I'm aware, it would reduce the risk, but not eliminate it.
@@EEVblog True, but I thought they were looking for feedback. I can't imagine it increasing BOM that much and it would make their product that much better.
@@ferrumignis I can envision a case where you can accidentally lean the shield against tall energized objects like a power supply or something with bus bars. I would probably wrap the probes in Kapton if doing this, but I don't see any reason this couldn't be straight from the factory and they were looking for feedback on their new product.
It only works on pcb board installed horizontally on that metal base, don't see how useful it can be when probing instruments and actual systems with pcb inside.
Err, no, the PCB does not have to be on that metal base, that's just to provide a more secure base so the holder base doesn't slide. You don't need the PCB holders at all, the board can just be sitting on your bench, the probe has plenty of reach.
I have a little metal stand that I connect the probes to and hang it over the piece of equipment I'm probing when I can't take off the enclosure fully.
it's great
But did you like it?
Im a student, but I know i need this, also i have an osc and two channels and two hands are enough, I WANT ONE THO seems super usefull
aha, but how will you use the buttons?
@@qvatch jajjaja thats why i need one
Damn I want this.
WTF .. no supplier in Canada? :-(
Market niche right there...
I want wireless probes.
Damn, that's cool, and not that expensive considering. Also have multimeter probes. See sensepeek.com/webshop-1 for pricing. Want the whole kit badly.
Ahh it's a European, Swedish even, company. It'll be the first time buying a cool tool withouth worrying about expensive shipping and customs ! Yay!
@@ulwur Yeah it's soo cool that Sensepeek is a Swedish company. To have such a great tool created so close to home..