What do you think is the best new Lord of the Rings card? What do you think about this set, in general? Are you excited about it? What new cards slot in perfectly to your existing commander decks?
Best card is more than likely Orcish Bowmaster, not much else in the set on that power level.. Am working on a Gandalf the White deck, he seems quite strong also. Lotho and most of the hobbits have felt quite good also.. Samwise Gamgee is another potential top pick.. he can get Historic cards back.. which is fun to combine him with Boromir, makes boardwhipes pretty difficult to use for opponents even.. 😅 So far really liking the set and dont even have remotely all the cards.
I am super excited for King of the Oathbreaker, it seems a wonderful Commander to build around. I was super super excited by the 9 Nazgul but after seeing at what price they are now and considering I can't afford them, the excitment dried out :3
The ring broke modern. There is no way it isn't an autoinclude in most decks. You need a flavor or gameplay reason not to play it IMO. It is just insane. Just imagine topdecking it late game and you realize how good it is. Very few situations in which you cannot have a line to steal a game with it.
At my prerelease I were playing Gandalf, Friend of the Shire, with Glamdring equipped. My opponent has the Balrog, Durin's Bane on the BF and I swing. He blocks my Gandalf, but luckily I have You Cannot Pass! on my hand, so I kill his Balrog. As it dies it takes my Gandalf with it. My opponent and I were geeking out over it for a good 5 minutes before continuing the match! Has to be one of my favorite MtG moments ever!
For “Call for Aid” if you are able to cast sorceries at instant speed, you can steal an opponent’s creatures on another player’s turn to shields down them and allow another player to take them out, or to give yourself enough blockers to survive a massive attack.
If your deck has Seedborn Muse or Unwinding Clock, The One Ring is a horrifying draw engine to add in. Surprised Josh didn't mention any untapping shenanigans with the ring, given....everything he's ever done on the show.
@@S0ilStudios Problem is that you can easily get into situation where you have for example 10 counters and 4 cards left in the deck - thus are locked out from using the Ring to enable Thassa's Oracle win. Given the fact that Mind Over Matter combos with everything and the kitchen sink that akwardness means you just use a different card. Also think people are undervaluing the ring. I will personally run it in cEDH and in every deck that can gain life or reliably get rid of it in a pinch. Untaping or bouncing is cute but not needed to make it good.
With orcish bow masters they talked about a sac outlet and a blood artist effect on the board in addition turning a wheel (22 damage) into 44 damage. However. Imagine a mirkwood bats and a sac outlet in play. That's 44 damage to each opponent ON TOP of the 22 damage sent anywhere else
Mirkwood isn't that good of a card to be totally honest. Yes, it's going to win games, but it's a four mana card that doesn't do any thing by itself. There is a HUGE difference between two mana and four mana, especially for cards that's primary purpose is to just be a combo piece and nothing else.
If you didn't have an army amassed already the mirkwood bats and OB could function without a sac outlet, dealing one damage to every opponent per card drawn by targeting your own army with OB every trigger.
32:22 One thing about dawn of the new age is that it draws the card at the end of the turn. Meaning even if it dies immediately it was a cantrip. That is not something that these effect ussually do and makes it a lot better. For a Boros or Mono White token strategy it is great. Even though it feels like we got tons of these effects recently I struggle to find enough of them to fill the deck so this fits great there.
I think what might be fun about Spiteful Banditry is if it changes the calculus on otherwise straightforward decisions. Are you still going to chump, knowing you’re giving someone a treasure? Is it still the right play to sac that creature? Either it sits there and generates incidental value all game, or it makes opponents play around it.
I love any time Atsushi is brought up in treasure maker conversations. He's in a special spot in my heart. If I were in Yu-Gi-Oh, he'd be my Red-Eyes/Blue-Eyes/Dark Magician etc
1st main phase, call for aid. Combat, attack a player. Second main phase, decent of the dragons. "Destroy any amount of target creatures. For each creature destroyed this way, it's controller puts a 4/4 flying dragon creature token into play".
Nice ! Just looked again at card, and the fact that it’s untapping each combat (including opponents) makes this very fun for krenks. I also run thousand year elixir , but ur comment makes me wanna revisit krenko
@@MarcusWelbyJr Exactly! If it survives a single 4 player turn cycle you could turn 5 goblins at the start of your turn into 80 goblins by the end of the 4th persons turn. In my Krenko build I lean heavy into ETB/LTB damage effects so this can often be lethal within a couple turns. It pretty much requires that someone remove it or krenko or everyone dies. If you've got boots on Krenko and you keep a deflecting swat in your hand after casting this and it's a good day for gobbos. This card should be in every single Krenko deck ever.
@@spamcan2284 nice !! I’m really enjoying this lotr set, already built a fun green heavy Aragorn uniter deck, green Dorks and then greens overrun abilities, so fun 🤩 running craterhoof , overwhelming stampede and other doozie green fatties that give trample (including that crazy green guy who has partner and gives overrun each turn to creatures / makes lands creatures) . That and i built two Sauron decks… one box I pulled three orcish bowmasters. Good times indeed !
I think they have brutally underrated the one ring, it’s insanely good colorless card draw that is very repeatable+theres very little artifact exile effects
Mithreal Coat is comparable to darksteel plate and Hammer of Nazahan. It's best paired with a commander that has to attack for its abilities, but you don't want to risk it
I will continue to shout out my boy Wulfgar. Everybody loves Isshin, but the fact you have access to green ramp is severely undervalued. Horn of the Mark will be great, and Doors of Durin was MADE for him.
Ancient Copper Dragon and Cavern-Hoard Dragon are both illustrated by the same artist, that's a fun coincidence. Or more likely not a coincidence and in fact a deliberate decision because the art on ACD is really good and wizards thought, correctly, "this guy draws good dragons".
This was so cool what I really noticed with the chaos card whims of fate you could play it and relie on not being able to sacrifice the opponent cards before combat and swing at the other players.
These are the kind of moments where I realize how different our games are in commander. Mirkwood bats has been played a couple times in games with friends, and it's always been just a set it out and hope it deals damage over a long duration.
Elven Chorus is going into my pet deck, Gyome, Master Chef. It's a creature heavy (38) deck that loves low mana creatures to make as much food as possible. I run a ton of +1/+1 counter synergy as well as the built in foodristocrats theme. I've currently got Long List of the Ents in there, and that's probably what's getting cut for Elven Chorus.
I'm building a LOTR Emperor set, and I'm going to have The One Ring start in the middle and treat it like an emblem that gets passed around like The Monarch. When someone deals combat damage to a player, they get the ring.
Marneus Calgar is similar to Mirkwood bats. Master Tactician - Whenever one or more tokens enter the battlefield under your control, draw a card. I think he wants Lotho and maybe mirkwood bats.
But they were all of them deceived, for the One Ring was pulled. In the time of PreRelease, the Lucky One [insert_name] graded the serialized ring, to control all others. And into this ring they poured their legal representation, their time, and their will to fetch the highest bounty. One Ring to rule them all!
I don't understand the perspective on Spiteful Banditry. It's like a mana rock that you can kick to turn into a board wipe. The mana is inconsistent but you can save it up and later in the game you could easily be getting multiple treasures a turn. I think it's a red staple. It's a board wipe that's very easy to slot into your deck.
Here's a thought for Orcish Bowmasters: Keep its stats and cost, but separate its Amass ability from its damage ability so that the former is only on ETB while the latter only on enemy draws. Still powerful? Yes. Still probably gonna be a staple? Yes. Anywhere near as abusable as getting both on both? No.
Spiteful banditry is great for my erinis/street urchin deck. Helps me get around graveyard decks by exiling instead of destroying but also fuels itself for the next activation
Man o man! Rachel + Josh is making the best Command Zone, Magic the Gathering content ever. How much do I need to donate for you two to be hosting every episode?
I am definitely putting Dawn of a New Age in my Tom Bombadil, since its all about counter manipulation I can ensure that I keep hope counters on it while I ramp!
One card to consider for "Call for Aid" is "Throne of the God-Pharaoh". If you grab someone's super wide board and swing them all you can order them so Throne sees all the tapped creatures before they go back and deal a ton of damage
I have a white black legends matter deck using Yoshimaru and Tevesh Szat partner commanders and there’s so many cards that have functionality I like, but I’m still not sold on UB.
I put last March of the ents in my Ur Dragon deck. I had a dragon tempest on the Board then played this card I instantly won the game because I ended up with 20 dragons with haste that ping for 1 for each dragon as they enter.
Of course the blue player would hate Orkish Bowmasters. 😂 My reasoning for why it's a necessary evil, it punishes "draw my entire deck and win" players, value players, and some aggro decks. Without feeling too bad, like a notion thief, or that one white card that doesn't allow more than one draw a turn, even smothering tithe. 2 cmc is fine as a way to punishes aggro decks when your in a mid-rangey/ staxy deck.
Ive got a Slicer voltron deck, spiteful banditry to clear out token/chump blocks and swing to attack seems great. Plus the treasure generation is much more likely with Slicer swinging.
Spiteful Banditry is going in my prosper deck. The reason why is it's flexibility: playing this turn 2 will be great value over time, while if drawn 5-8 will be an answer to mass tokens (a weakness with this deck). May do some testing and replace Reckless endeavour with this (snake-eyes)
Subjugate the Hobbits will affect token creatures that are not copies, for example Angle, Eldrazi, Artifacts & Dragon tokens (like Smaug). If you're up against decks that make heavy use of tokens this may be a win-con, if not it's not as good but still a good way of cleaning the board of those opponent value pieces.
I would see spiteful banditry like this: How many times in a game do you see a 1 toughness creature you'd like to be gone? You can play this spell for effectively 2 mana (cause you get 1 treasure back) and kill it but also everything else with toughness 1. Then for as long as you have this card on the battlefield, you continously get treasures. Your opponents will most likely not remove it because there will be better targets. I would consider this card to be ramp and small stuff removal that goes around hexproof.
Myriad works great with “call for aid”; Myriad creates attacking tokens, you’re technically “not” attacking the player you stole the creatures from… you just have to spawn creatures in an already attacking states that s gonna deal damage to them 😊
Can you cast multiple Call of the Ring enchantments (or create copies of it in Commander) and thus get multiple "the Ring tempts you" triggers at the start of each of your upkeeps? Likewise, with multiple Call of the Ring enchantments in play, can you draw multiple cards each time you choose a ring-bearer?
Elven Chorus is going straight to my Inga & Esika deck which is a creature heavy deck with mana doublers like mana reflection and related cards …. as often I have mana that’s wasted or if they kill my commander I can continue with the strategy of the deck with out worrying about the commander tax.
Having tinkered with the commander precons, Subjugate the Hobbits is REALLY great when you have someone playing a go-wide token army and REALLY lame when you're not... either very happy to see it in hand or very disappointed and very little in between
On the Orc Bowmasters, if it truly is just in every black deck without thinking, they do ban for that sometimes. Also in a world of badass elves and even some humans, why are the crazy archers not a legendary creature from those races?
Omg no, someone using that as their commander in a game of commander would be terrifying! This card was very much balanced for commander and modern to BE the black strat this set.
I think you just play Dawn of a New Age as soon as you have 2 creatures. 2 mana to draw 2 and gain 4 is good. If you wait too long to maximise its value, you run the risk of getting little to no value at all because the game's only got 1 or 2 more turns left, or you've been board wiped.
what about spiteful banditry for x = 0? it makes decisions very awkward for you opponents in terms of attacking/blocking/saccing and all spot removal (although the best are exile) nets you a treasure
Only an hour in so far. I for one really like these long videos even if it takes me a bit to watch. Just wanted to point out Kyren Negotiations would be alright paired with Call for Aid.
Putting spiteful banditry into my Mirrym dragon deck that runs several board wipes aimed at clearing away smaller creatures so I don't get teamed up on.
Will "call for aid" bring all the counters on creatures with them or wil it in effect blink all creatures of an opponent and remove all their counters? And what happens to token creatures?
I think Mithril coat is still very good on every commander deck that wants its commander to attack. Attack triggers with a commander thats a 2/5 are hard to pull of in later turns (Ghired). Being indestructible protects you from removal, but also from combat damage!
I feel like There and Back Again saga card is seriously overlooked, a three-step saga for a token that generates 14 treasure tokens?! How are we not talking about that lol
Palantir is easily my favourite card in the set, you scry so you make sure that there’s gas on top and just let the guy know, “hey can I draw a card or do you want to take a ton of damage?” Who knows if your lying or not. I had a guy mill me for 2 and they were Dig through time and ethersworn sphinx and dealt him 17 damage on turn 4
Call for Aid in a Marchesa dethrone deck would still let you steal and keep creatures if they die. You just can’t steal from the person with the most life. I will probably put it in my Karlach, multiple combats, deck so I can swing with them 2 or 3 times.😊
Guys. Guys. Guys. Indestructible doesn't say "save your guy from removal." (Though it does incidentally work that way against the majority of green, red, colorless, and even black creature removal.) What it says is, "freely swing with whoever you want, and don't worry about blocks". Alternatively, it's "block all day with your little flying lifelinker/deathtoucher, and don't worry about what it is they're blocking (as long as it doesn't have trample or menace)."
Do "End the Turn" cards not work with Call for Aid? I thought those basically skip you past the trigger that would send the creatures back to their owner.
Cavern Hoard Dragon in a Miirym, Sentinem Wyrm dek is disgustingly good. Even at 6 mana with Miirym on board once it doubles the card will be more than worth it! Add in something like Shadow in the warp and/or herald's horn and it'll be all the better!
What do you think is the best new Lord of the Rings card? What do you think about this set, in general? Are you excited about it? What new cards slot in perfectly to your existing commander decks?
Best card is more than likely Orcish Bowmaster, not much else in the set on that power level..
Am working on a Gandalf the White deck, he seems quite strong also. Lotho and most of the hobbits have felt quite good also.. Samwise Gamgee is another potential top pick.. he can get Historic cards back.. which is fun to combine him with Boromir, makes boardwhipes pretty difficult to use for opponents even.. 😅
So far really liking the set and dont even have remotely all the cards.
I am super excited for King of the Oathbreaker, it seems a wonderful Commander to build around. I was super super excited by the 9 Nazgul but after seeing at what price they are now and considering I can't afford them, the excitment dried out :3
The ring broke modern. There is no way it isn't an autoinclude in most decks. You need a flavor or gameplay reason not to play it IMO. It is just insane. Just imagine topdecking it late game and you realize how good it is. Very few situations in which you cannot have a line to steal a game with it.
Bow Master easy. Will be shocked if it doesn’t get banned. But then at least Josh will be correct… it will be cheap then 😂
Orcish Bowmaster is easily the best card in the set
At my prerelease I were playing Gandalf, Friend of the Shire, with Glamdring equipped. My opponent has the Balrog, Durin's Bane on the BF and I swing. He blocks my Gandalf, but luckily I have You Cannot Pass! on my hand, so I kill his Balrog. As it dies it takes my Gandalf with it. My opponent and I were geeking out over it for a good 5 minutes before continuing the match! Has to be one of my favorite MtG moments ever!
I’m geeking out for that encounter! Fun
epic lol
For “Call for Aid” if you are able to cast sorceries at instant speed, you can steal an opponent’s creatures on another player’s turn to shields down them and allow another player to take them out, or to give yourself enough blockers to survive a massive attack.
Nice! Looking forward to diving into this vid! 👏
If your deck has Seedborn Muse or Unwinding Clock, The One Ring is a horrifying draw engine to add in. Surprised Josh didn't mention any untapping shenanigans with the ring, given....everything he's ever done on the show.
Mind Over Matter. Thassa's Oracle.
@@S0ilStudios lol Yeah, that would do it, too. In a very immediate way.
@@williamperalta7041 I'm putting it in my Kwain deck because it's just one more Mind Over Matter engine piece.
@@S0ilStudios Problem is that you can easily get into situation where you have for example 10 counters and 4 cards left in the deck - thus are locked out from using the Ring to enable Thassa's Oracle win. Given the fact that Mind Over Matter combos with everything and the kitchen sink that akwardness means you just use a different card.
Also think people are undervaluing the ring. I will personally run it in cEDH and in every deck that can gain life or reliably get rid of it in a pinch. Untaping or bouncing is cute but not needed to make it good.
The one ring is a minimum of $50, who's undervaluing it?! 😂
With orcish bow masters they talked about a sac outlet and a blood artist effect on the board in addition turning a wheel (22 damage) into 44 damage. However. Imagine a mirkwood bats and a sac outlet in play. That's 44 damage to each opponent ON TOP of the 22 damage sent anywhere else
Mirkwood isn't that good of a card to be totally honest. Yes, it's going to win games, but it's a four mana card that doesn't do any thing by itself. There is a HUGE difference between two mana and four mana, especially for cards that's primary purpose is to just be a combo piece and nothing else.
@@tonysmith9905 what is the point of your comment
@@travisclarke3912 If you can't figure it out then your reading comprehension skills are lacking.
@@tonysmith9905 ah, I understand now, you're the kind of commander player who when presented an idea to, becomes unkind when you disagree
If you didn't have an army amassed already the mirkwood bats and OB could function without a sac outlet, dealing one damage to every opponent per card drawn by targeting your own army with OB every trigger.
Great timing claiming the ring hasn’t been found 😁
It made me laugh
This was probably recorded before it was
@@matthewwhale4514it absolutely was. This was probably recorded about a week ago
@@travisbrandt8663 can you confirm with evidence that it was found AND announced before this video was shot?
@@matthewwhale4514This needs a lot of editing and producing process, its obvious that this has been recorded before has been released. Duh
32:22 One thing about dawn of the new age is that it draws the card at the end of the turn. Meaning even if it dies immediately it was a cantrip. That is not something that these effect ussually do and makes it a lot better. For a Boros or Mono White token strategy it is great. Even though it feels like we got tons of these effects recently I struggle to find enough of them to fill the deck so this fits great there.
I think what might be fun about Spiteful Banditry is if it changes the calculus on otherwise straightforward decisions. Are you still going to chump, knowing you’re giving someone a treasure? Is it still the right play to sac that creature? Either it sits there and generates incidental value all game, or it makes opponents play around it.
I think you could play Spiteful banditry at X=0 and be ok
I love any time Atsushi is brought up in treasure maker conversations. He's in a special spot in my heart. If I were in Yu-Gi-Oh, he'd be my Red-Eyes/Blue-Eyes/Dark Magician etc
1st main phase, call for aid. Combat, attack a player. Second main phase, decent of the dragons. "Destroy any amount of target creatures. For each creature destroyed this way, it's controller puts a 4/4 flying dragon creature token into play".
Niceeeee
Sting, the glinting dagger went straight into my Krenko, Mob Boss deck. It was made for Krenko.
Nice ! Just looked again at card, and the fact that it’s untapping each combat (including opponents) makes this very fun for krenks. I also run thousand year elixir , but ur comment makes me wanna revisit krenko
@@MarcusWelbyJr Exactly! If it survives a single 4 player turn cycle you could turn 5 goblins at the start of your turn into 80 goblins by the end of the 4th persons turn. In my Krenko build I lean heavy into ETB/LTB damage effects so this can often be lethal within a couple turns. It pretty much requires that someone remove it or krenko or everyone dies. If you've got boots on Krenko and you keep a deflecting swat in your hand after casting this and it's a good day for gobbos. This card should be in every single Krenko deck ever.
@@spamcan2284 nice !! I’m really enjoying this lotr set, already built a fun green heavy Aragorn uniter deck, green Dorks and then greens overrun abilities, so fun 🤩 running craterhoof , overwhelming stampede and other doozie green fatties that give trample (including that crazy green guy who has partner and gives overrun each turn to creatures / makes lands creatures) . That and i built two Sauron decks… one box I pulled three orcish bowmasters. Good times indeed !
Im surprised horn of Gondor is featured, the multiplication ability has been insane in my pre-release, but sealed power just isn't the same
"Horn of Gondor" is nuts in Limited. You need only one additional Human to get it to start up faster, then six mana and you have 4 Humans and ...
I dunno. Krenko for Humans is pretty good.
Food chaining your opponents creatures after call for aid, because it's exile not sac
I think they have brutally underrated the one ring, it’s insanely good colorless card draw that is very repeatable+theres very little artifact exile effects
Mithreal Coat is comparable to darksteel plate and Hammer of Nazahan. It's best paired with a commander that has to attack for its abilities, but you don't want to risk it
I will continue to shout out my boy Wulfgar. Everybody loves Isshin, but the fact you have access to green ramp is severely undervalued. Horn of the Mark will be great, and Doors of Durin was MADE for him.
i love hearing these people talk about Magic cards. keeps me coming back.
Ancient Copper Dragon and Cavern-Hoard Dragon are both illustrated by the same artist, that's a fun coincidence. Or more likely not a coincidence and in fact a deliberate decision because the art on ACD is really good and wizards thought, correctly, "this guy draws good dragons".
I like "Rise of the Witch-King" - very powerful effect in many Golgari decks.
With a lot of the recent sets I think they have someone who plays nekusar working on design, and they're just making cards to play in their own deck
This was so cool what I really noticed with the chaos card whims of fate you could play it and relie on not being able to sacrifice the opponent cards before combat and swing at the other players.
These are the kind of moments where I realize how different our games are in commander. Mirkwood bats has been played a couple times in games with friends, and it's always been just a set it out and hope it deals damage over a long duration.
I'm right in the middle of brewing an Obeka, Brute Chronologist deck and Call for aid would be a great add for that!
Elven Chorus is going into my pet deck, Gyome, Master Chef. It's a creature heavy (38) deck that loves low mana creatures to make as much food as possible. I run a ton of +1/+1 counter synergy as well as the built in foodristocrats theme. I've currently got Long List of the Ents in there, and that's probably what's getting cut for Elven Chorus.
Reprieve looks great
I'm building a LOTR Emperor set, and I'm going to have The One Ring start in the middle and treat it like an emblem that gets passed around like The Monarch. When someone deals combat damage to a player, they get the ring.
Marneus Calgar is similar to Mirkwood bats.
Master Tactician - Whenever one or more tokens enter the battlefield under your control, draw a card.
I think he wants Lotho and maybe mirkwood bats.
But they were all of them deceived, for the One Ring was pulled. In the time of PreRelease, the Lucky One [insert_name] graded the serialized ring, to control all others. And into this ring they poured their legal representation, their time, and their will to fetch the highest bounty. One Ring to rule them all!
Honestly I love military intelligence in my Kangee deck swing with birds and profit. The horn of the mark will be going in too! 53:57
I don't understand the perspective on Spiteful Banditry. It's like a mana rock that you can kick to turn into a board wipe. The mana is inconsistent but you can save it up and later in the game you could easily be getting multiple treasures a turn.
I think it's a red staple. It's a board wipe that's very easy to slot into your deck.
Here's a thought for Orcish Bowmasters: Keep its stats and cost, but separate its Amass ability from its damage ability so that the former is only on ETB while the latter only on enemy draws. Still powerful? Yes. Still probably gonna be a staple? Yes. Anywhere near as abusable as getting both on both? No.
Ring was literally just found today lol. Psa approved!
Imagine getting a 1 of 1 and it gets graded a 9 lolz
@eduardoramirezjr1892 well, if you're not going to get a 10 might as well get it on a card that is literally impossible to find a better copy 😅
Spiteful banditry is great for my erinis/street urchin deck. Helps me get around graveyard decks by exiling instead of destroying but also fuels itself for the next activation
I got one Orcish Bowmaster in each Set Box I opened…
…they’re going to be seen!
Have Josh and Jimmy switch seats to see if seating placement matters!
Man o man! Rachel + Josh is making the best Command Zone, Magic the Gathering content ever. How much do I need to donate for you two to be hosting every episode?
I am definitely putting Dawn of a New Age in my Tom Bombadil, since its all about counter manipulation I can ensure that I keep hope counters on it while I ramp!
Totally agree with her on spiteful banditry, probably great in a plunderqueen deck too, another great green red synergy
One card to consider for "Call for Aid" is "Throne of the God-Pharaoh". If you grab someone's super wide board and swing them all you can order them so Throne sees all the tapped creatures before they go back and deal a ton of damage
Another might be Discontinuity, all triggers on the stack go away so you keep the board.
I put dawn in my deck with atraxa with lots of proliferating because it’s a hope counter. So every end step you can add one after taking one.
Call for aid with one of the "choose any number of creatures and exchange them" would go great in my eleven and Mike deck that I'm building
Last March of the Ents has been doing great work in my Doric legends matter deck.
I have a white black legends matter deck using Yoshimaru and Tevesh Szat partner commanders and there’s so many cards that have functionality I like, but I’m still not sold on UB.
I put last March of the ents in my Ur Dragon deck. I had a dragon tempest on the Board then played this card I instantly won the game because I ended up with 20 dragons with haste that ping for 1 for each dragon as they enter.
the one ring, one of the most expensive cards in recent history in Brazil
Of course the blue player would hate Orkish Bowmasters. 😂
My reasoning for why it's a necessary evil, it punishes "draw my entire deck and win" players, value players, and some aggro decks.
Without feeling too bad, like a notion thief, or that one white card that doesn't allow more than one draw a turn, even smothering tithe.
2 cmc is fine as a way to punishes aggro decks when your in a mid-rangey/ staxy deck.
I love this set. So much fun to draft
Thanks for bringing the Palantir to my attention. it's perfect for my Rodolf Angel Reanimator deck.
Ive got a Slicer voltron deck, spiteful banditry to clear out token/chump blocks and swing to attack seems great. Plus the treasure generation is much more likely with Slicer swinging.
Whenever I hear Rachel's voice all I keep thinking about how much I liked her saying
"Botha'some Quasit" with that slight accent lol.
dawn of a new age + lurrous seems aiight
Spiteful Banditry is going in my prosper deck. The reason why is it's flexibility: playing this turn 2 will be great value over time, while if drawn 5-8 will be an answer to mass tokens (a weakness with this deck). May do some testing and replace Reckless endeavour with this (snake-eyes)
Last March of the Ents gets played nicely, Instantly, with Omnispell Adept.
Subjugate the Hobbits will affect token creatures that are not copies, for example Angle, Eldrazi, Artifacts & Dragon tokens (like Smaug). If you're up against decks that make heavy use of tokens this may be a win-con, if not it's not as good but still a good way of cleaning the board of those opponent value pieces.
I would see spiteful banditry like this: How many times in a game do you see a 1 toughness creature you'd like to be gone? You can play this spell for effectively 2 mana (cause you get 1 treasure back) and kill it but also everything else with toughness 1. Then for as long as you have this card on the battlefield, you continously get treasures. Your opponents will most likely not remove it because there will be better targets. I would consider this card to be ramp and small stuff removal that goes around hexproof.
Myriad works great with “call for aid”; Myriad creates attacking tokens, you’re technically “not” attacking the player you stole the creatures from… you just have to spawn creatures in an already attacking states that s gonna deal damage to them 😊
I really love rising of the day. Nice enchantment that gives haste and has a +1 bonus for legendary
Mithril Coat is good for commanders that have built-in protection like Sauron, the Dark Lord who are more susceptible to board wipes.
Can you cast multiple Call of the Ring enchantments (or create copies of it in Commander) and thus get multiple "the Ring tempts you" triggers at the start of each of your upkeeps? Likewise, with multiple Call of the Ring enchantments in play, can you draw multiple cards each time you choose a ring-bearer?
Horn of the Mark is great in my Isshin deck. Got to look thru almost half my deck and find 6 creatures 👍
Dont hate on Rebuff the wicked! It's good in Sram voltron - it can protect Sram or greaves or good equipment that gets targeted as well.
Elven Chorus is going straight to my Inga & Esika deck which is a creature heavy deck with mana doublers like mana reflection and related cards …. as often I have mana that’s wasted or if they kill my commander I can continue with the strategy of the deck with out worrying about the commander tax.
Taunt from the Rampart might works very well with Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
I was curious with the call for aid and phase out interaction would the cards you stole phase in tapped under your opponents control?
Having tinkered with the commander precons, Subjugate the Hobbits is REALLY great when you have someone playing a go-wide token army and REALLY lame when you're not... either very happy to see it in hand or very disappointed and very little in between
On the Orc Bowmasters, if it truly is just in every black deck without thinking, they do ban for that sometimes.
Also in a world of badass elves and even some humans, why are the crazy archers not a legendary creature from those races?
Omg no, someone using that as their commander in a game of commander would be terrifying! This card was very much balanced for commander and modern to BE the black strat this set.
Looking forward to putting Spiteful Banditry in my Mahadi deck. Wipe board. Make treasure, Cast Mahadi, and make more treasures.
I think you just play Dawn of a New Age as soon as you have 2 creatures. 2 mana to draw 2 and gain 4 is good. If you wait too long to maximise its value, you run the risk of getting little to no value at all because the game's only got 1 or 2 more turns left, or you've been board wiped.
This vid convinced me to buy back the cavern hoard dragon I opened
Perhaps I missed it, but did they talk about interaction of Call For Aid and turn-ending, like Sundial of the Infinite?
what about spiteful banditry for x = 0? it makes decisions very awkward for you opponents in terms of attacking/blocking/saccing and all spot removal (although the best are exile) nets you a treasure
Why not use Mycosynth Lattice with Cavern-Hoard Dragon
Only an hour in so far. I for one really like these long videos even if it takes me a bit to watch. Just wanted to point out Kyren Negotiations would be alright paired with Call for Aid.
For my Magus Lucea Kane deck making copies of spiteful banditry sounds like a good time.
Putting spiteful banditry into my Mirrym dragon deck that runs several board wipes aimed at clearing away smaller creatures so I don't get teamed up on.
My Hans Ericsson deck loves Mithril Coat. He draws creatures from the top of my deck and has to fight them before attacking my opponent.
Will "call for aid" bring all the counters on creatures with them or wil it in effect blink all creatures of an opponent and remove all their counters? And what happens to token creatures?
Spiteful Banditry and several of the other red cards from this set are excellent in Torbran.
Mirkwood Bats has put in work in my Vampire deck. I threw some boots on him and 1:12:45 I created and sacrificed 8 blood tokens in a turn. 😅
I think Mithril coat is still very good on every commander deck that wants its commander to attack. Attack triggers with a commander thats a 2/5 are hard to pull of in later turns (Ghired). Being indestructible protects you from removal, but also from combat damage!
Call of the Ring is spiking hard here in Brazil. It went from R$20 to R$150 out of nowhere.
Mirkwood Bats seems like a decent addition to Korvold decks.
Does Korvold really need the help though? lol
@@TheMonsterClips it doesn’t at all but options are nice lol
If you steal with call for aid and then phase out your opponents creatures after attacking would the phase back in tapped on their side or untapped
dawn of a new age can also be blinked for great effect.
I feel like There and Back Again saga card is seriously overlooked, a three-step saga for a token that generates 14 treasure tokens?! How are we not talking about that lol
Palantir is easily my favourite card in the set, you scry so you make sure that there’s gas on top and just let the guy know, “hey can I draw a card or do you want to take a ton of damage?” Who knows if your lying or not. I had a guy mill me for 2 and they were Dig through time and ethersworn sphinx and dealt him 17 damage on turn 4
Call for Aid in a Marchesa dethrone deck would still let you steal and keep creatures if they die. You just can’t steal from the person with the most life. I will probably put it in my Karlach, multiple combats, deck so I can swing with them 2 or 3 times.😊
Not great in marchesa because you can't sac them. Insurrection is much better
Last March of the Ents + Kresh in my Ball Lightning Tribal deck
Commander Zone out here trying to raise LOTR Singles prices since the Ring has been found.
Good luck... the market is flooded
Guys. Guys. Guys.
Indestructible doesn't say "save your guy from removal." (Though it does incidentally work that way against the majority of green, red, colorless, and even black creature removal.)
What it says is, "freely swing with whoever you want, and don't worry about blocks".
Alternatively, it's "block all day with your little flying lifelinker/deathtoucher, and don't worry about what it is they're blocking (as long as it doesn't have trample or menace)."
Elven chorus immediately got added to my Go-Shintai deck.
Do "End the Turn" cards not work with Call for Aid? I thought those basically skip you past the trigger that would send the creatures back to their owner.
I plan to put spiteful boundary in my all lands deck.
Mithril coat is really good in my Toralf deck
The One Ring + Seedborn or unwinding clock X opponents equals great value
@ 1:50:22 , I think reprive is good becasue, its still white card draw and a delay at instant speed for 2 mana
Magda, Brazen Outlaw has to wipe drool from her face whenever someone talks about Cavern-Hoard Dragon.
I play panaltir in my solphim deck. doubles the damage if they choose to not let you draw. good luck if I hit blasphemous act lol
Do the tokens created by Galadhrim Ambush get to attack when theyre brought in?
Cavern Hoard Dragon in a Miirym, Sentinem Wyrm dek is disgustingly good. Even at 6 mana with Miirym on board once it doubles the card will be more than worth it! Add in something like Shadow in the warp and/or herald's horn and it'll be all the better!
I opened this and it immediately went into my miirym deck. I have yet to draw it in game but I can't wait!