Interview with Calvin Robinson
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 ส.ค. 2024
- Carl sits down with Calvin Robinson to discuss the myriad issues facing not only the country, but also us as individuals in the present day.
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It would be great if Father Calvin had his own Lotus Eaters segment. Even if it's a monthly segment. Maybe a Christian Corner or something like that. Hearing him speak feeds my soul.
He tag-teamed with Connor once. It was brilliant.
Rather be with Satan than trapped in a Heaven surrounded by fools like Calvin Robinson.
Horrific.🤮🤮
He does now lol.
I'm from the future. He does now!
Food for the soul. Calm, reasonable, same today and tomorrow. Clear thinking.
I chose to stop believing in God for about a decade for the same reason Carl. I felt like I was being dishonest because I was skeptical and wasn't a full believer. I realize now it led to a decade of misery and caused me to fall into sinful behaviors that caused a lot of suffering that I am still dealing with today. After being at an extremely low point in my life due to losing multiple jobs to the lockdowns and vaccine mandates and just having a load of despair related to all of the Covid insanity, about a year and a half ago I decided to force God back into my life whether I fully believed or not. My life has turned around completely since doing that and my outlook has changed substantially. I still can't say I fully believe in God but I am trying to live my life as if he does exist as best as possible. I ask for signs of his existence and sometimes I do feel like I get an answer, but so far I haven't crossed into that space where I truly 100% believe. I think God will forgive us for that.
I’m in the same boat there with you, and I’ve been strengthened by listening to devout Priests who even say that they struggle all the time with these sorts of issues. The yoke of modernity is strong and encourages us to dive back into our old sinful existences, we must rebel and repent. God bless brother
It is definitely a process. In my experience if you continue to seek God daily, you will grow in your faith and you will continue to see changes in your thoughts, emotions, and behavior (all for the better)
@getthepoo, I forget the chapter and verse, but there's a passage in the new Testament where Jesus asks a guy, "do you believe?" (In regards to healing, if I recall) and the guy responds, "lord I believe, help my unbelief."
That this conversation was seen as worth recording is, I think, important. Our belief wouldn't seem to need to be perfect in order for it to be enough.
We all struggle with doubt, even those of us closest to Christ. Remember how Peter doubted Jesus while standing atop stormy waters, or how Thomas doubted the witness of the other apostles, or how James and John fled with the others when Jesus was arrested.
It is part of our sinful nature to doubt and be unsure. Often, it seems as though God lets us wander just so we appreciate Him all the more. He is never absent, though, and He promises that those who seek will find.
Pray for faith and discernment, for yourselves and one another. God is generous, but His ways are often confusing and unpleasant.
@@robertbeisert3315maybe you wouldn't all struggle with doubt and require all this affirmation from each other if your story was ya know ....true.
Remember this Christians, you operate in the real world as if there is no supernatural...because you don't have a choice. It's only in the abstract, you can wonder if it's true but that's as real as it's ever going to get.
Calvin is great, when Carl pauses to think from his questions to process what he wants to say, best moments hands down.
"I really liked the parts of the talk where they stopped." lol
@@thetruth45678Christ why are you like this my brotha😂
@@user-ns4zm8qe9p because i kno de wae, my brudda
Just another gay guy hiding behind the cloth.
It's interesting to see such a staunch atheist like Carl/Sargon be now so uneasy about about his atheism and even letting his wife baptize his children. It seems like the youtube atheism scene is crumbling by the minute.
Calvin is the embodiment of what made Britain great! His genuine concern for Carl's relationship with Christ deeply touched me. He is the real deal.
Fundamentally he's still just another social vampire trying to convert people to his cause, his "Concern" is shallow.
@@grimnir8872 Wow what a cynical worldview.
@@castratedbob He's also right. He's not British. As a foreigner, he's fine but ultimately, he's not from here.
@ALeaud il tell you one thing, he's worth the entirety of Pakistan as far as England migration is concerned.
@@castratedbob Of course it's a cynical worldview, because I am an English person watching some Christian try to take credit for the cultural and philosphical ideas that my people created and Christianity absorbed. I do not want to think the only future this country has is either a globalist hellhole or a papacy state. The Church proved to be a failure when it happy bent itself over for every politically profitable cause in Europe. The Church is the whore of philosphy, I refuse to lay with it.
Great conversation! Carl is in my prayers. I am so happy to hear that he is at least raising his children Christian even if if he isn't there yet himself. The Lord is clearly working on him, and I have faith he will come to know the Lord one day. God bless you both.
One of my favorite interviews. Love when Father Calvin Robinson is on LE. He is my favorite guest. I always watch any videos he’s in.
he's a Tory agent and controlled opposition
Calvin belongs to an Evangelical sect, outside the Church of England, where only High-Church Anglo-Catholic priests are referred to as 'Father'.
@@saltburner2 So what would you call him then? Pastor Robinson?
Sorry to disagree. Robinson why churches are emptying. At least Islam gets things done. 😂😂
Lately, I don't have much time to watch longer videos, but when Fr. Calvin is the guest, I MAKE the time! 💖
Always happy to hear Father Calvin.
More of these chats please gents. Much love from South Africa 🇿🇦
And appreciation from Malawi.
Absolutely. Best of luck to you and go boks 🇿🇦 🏴
Love from the Andaman Islands.
Brilliant!
I'm a Canadian who was raised in a denomination that has become very progressive. There was no difference between them and the world. I wandered to some dark places in my personal life and saw that the world offers nothing.
In my 40s I started finding my way back to Christ. I researched Christian history, patristics, and theology. I am now a confirmed Catholic. How I wish I had that structure and community when I was younger. How I wish I had been in an environment that fosters virtue and a relationship with God.
Now I look at Canadian society and see what a mess we are in. It is full of people who are as lost as I was a decade ago. At least I am old enough to remember when society had more stability, truth, and tradition. Will today's children even understand what they have lost?
In Canada, you know our leadership is corrupt, arrogant, and self-interested. It is futile to place hope in them.
I do pray for Christ to return to the centre of our society. I feel only He can help us now. And I pray for my husband who like Carl, is a good man, but does not believe.
If you have to have a religion, it is best to have one with a very long pedigree.
@@saltburner2 Yeah, a pedigree of putting Pulpet before the word and being hilariously corrupt and twisting in the political wind, what a good pedigree, Catholics should either shut the fuck up or get beaten with a stick for their hypocrisy.
Good luck, I too was raised in a very leftist denomination, but in America.
🙏
The debate between Carl and Jonathan Pageau opened my husbands heart and mind to God. Definitely worth popping on one day and seeing if it plants some seeds ❤
More conversations between these two men please. Never mind the timber of their voices, the way they hold conversations is like comfort food.
Afro priest should be pope.
Isn't it 'timbre'?
Both of you are spot on with how men should dress. I am 23 and this topic has been weighing on my mind for some time now. This was a nice push in the right direction. Thank you.
I must say.. this was a very honest conversation.. myself as an American very much removed from my religion that has been practiced for generations prior.. except my parents really.. and where my fathers father was a preacher.. and an uncle.. and likely many others previously I am not even aware of.. I have found myself looking to my lost faith recently.. having children will make you consider your own missteps..
It is nostalgia for the past - in which many things were better. But religious doctrines have been scrutinised more closely in recent decades (at least since the publication of 'Honest to God' by Bishop John Robinson in 1963) and for most of us today do not hold water. People may blame Richard Dawkins for making religion unbelievable, but actually it was Honest to God that did it.
@@saltburner2Honestly? For most of these people, these atheists, they have zero reasoning abilities when it comes to God. For the vast majority it's "someone did something bad, therefore God doesn't exist". In reality, for this majority, it's an excuse to live as if their only moral restrictions come from "within", which is a total load.
@@SeanWinters I strongly disagree. All the educated atheists I have known personally had excellent reasoning capacities - several were university professors. None of them believed that God can be disproved (one cannot prove a negative), they simply deny that there is any evidence or good reason to believe in a God or gods. Neither does the positing of God solve any problems - it simply creates more. The existence of evil, including moral evil, neither proves not disproves the existence of God - though some have argued that natural evil disproves a loving God. If the rejection of God were simply a licence for moral turpitude, it would be disgraceful. We need better reasons for choosing good over evil, and that is the thriving of human society, something we all (apart perhaps for a few psychopaths) presumably consider desirable and constituting a moral obligation upon us.
@@SeanWintersI don't think so, I think for most of us it's "I haven't seen anything supernatural, nobody has seen anything supernatural so therefore no god"
@@SeanWinters how about this...
Atheism isn't saying = there is no god therefore immigration... but Christians are saying there is a god therefore immigration...
Atheism isn't saying forgive your enemies or to just be nice and keep your head down because you will be rewarded for it after you die.
Christianity does all this and more. What exactly does it do to help? Tell us not to get jealous and kill our neighbor? Ooo so profound
Wonderful discussion - my thanks to Carl and Calvin for their honesty and openness. I’m not religious myself, but this conversation touched on so much that seems deep, hard to articulate and crucially important. Thanks guys!
Do you find yourself nonreligious for similar reasons as Carl or is there something else?
This was intense! It was 10 min and then the ultimate question about being with his kids in heaven. I wasnt expecting a full discussion quite like this on behalf of Christianity. Its speaking to me directly, as i know I have not been living a life a Christian should be living. man. . this video/episode is just wow.
That’s because every conservative ultimately fools themselves into believing in the supposed necessity of Christianity, courtesy of PragerU. The root cause: Pathological natalism.
You aren't going to live forever, that's childish.
Amen amen. We all fall short of the glory of God though, so don't be too hard on yourself. It is an opportunity to grow and become a better Christian. Keep the Lord in your thoughts and He will stay close to you, help and guide you to becoming a better you. Go to church, partake in communion (whatever your tradition calls it, the Lord's Supper, Eucharist, etc.), read the Scriptures, live the Christian life, and the world will improve as a result. Don't listen to hard-hearted people like our lost friend above me. The Lord keeps His promises, and He said "For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.” (John 6:40)
@@suzukisixk7 it literally costs you nothing to be a Christian and believe in God, except your degenerate vices. Such as the arrogance and hubris you've displayed here.
Grow up.
It was amazingly heartfelt. Rev. Robinson obviously lives and breathes the Christian message with more enthusiasm and humility than 99% of his brethren.
However, when seeking to convert others (especially those of a sceptical nature like Carl), emphasising heaven isn't the best tactic. There is no evidence for any afterlife and by definition is something that we won't know until we are dead. Instead, focus on how Christianity builds better, morally stronger communities and families in the here and now.
Father Calvin is an inspiration 🙏 I'm an old man; he reminds me of the old parish priests of my childhood. They lived, breathed and believed the Christian faith 🙏
Where your parish priests the sort who loved their choir boys?
@@rogersmith8339 Do you mean 'were'? Criticism of Christianity is probably one of the most easiest things to criticise. Well done 👍 I'm in awe of your intellect 🧠
@@aaddy5157 At least God will forgive me for my spelling (or rather auto-complete) error. It does seem that religions are often strongly linked to certain things, regardless of which god they worship. That said, I have not heard of Buddhists being linked to such activities although that doesn't mean it doesn't / hasn't happened.
@@aaddy5157 "Most easiest" is that correct English?
@@rogersmith8339 You obviously haven’t heard about Tibet
God bless you both for this excellent discussion. Praying for Carl to truly know the Lord. He knows so much, and yet doesnt really know what hes missing.
I had listened to this about a month ago and man, the two of them play off each other nicely. One of the best guests they've had. Hi from America!
Thank you for this conversation gentlemen. Please do it again. 🙏
God bless you both ✝️
Two of the most thoughtful minds in the country chewing the fat. A fascinating and very deep conversation. Thanks both.
God Bless Calvin...
Much love from 🇨🇦. We’re suffering similar issues, and Father Calvin is such a blessing.
Having Calvin and Connor in his life will do great things for Carl! They are a blessing! They crazier this world gets, the more we all desire and feel the need for God’s guidance!
The crazier this world gets, the more convinced I am that religious folly of all persuasions are what makes it so. I feel no desire to pretend to know the unknowable. I instead gravitate towards the practical wisdom of Marcus Aurelius.
All God's are invented by man, God's guidance is man's guidance.
@ibecoco Very true, the nightmarish hellscape secularism and materialism have wrought opened my eyes, and eventually lead me to God. I hope Carl may be following a similar path, it is like a sailor drowning in the dark clawing to find solid ground and escape the suffocating destruction
Calvin is an absolute diamond, very level headed and logical
Logical?? He's preaching made up rubbish 😂
Ok liberal!
@@psj7776it's not hard to see he is very intelligent. Even if you have no faith whatsoever.
@@REACHINGthePEAK how do we determine what the truth is? Someone telling me that its true, is not enough for me. It needs to be demonstrated to be true.
Its not unlikely that religion is a useful invention to keep low IQ people in line. did you ever think that you might one of the ones its aimed at?
I always find it funny when people insinuate that atheists are atheists in order to justify their immorality.
Mr Robinson Is A Class Act...
Love this conversation.
Two good men.
Calvin is such a great man, role model for a lot of young men.
I love full and honest conversations.
That was very enjoyable. I like dressing up for holidays and family gatherings and my wife is always, “My family is blue collar, you’ll embarrass them.”
I reply back, “I’m blue collar too, and anyway, this is my way of honoring God.”
Usually, I compromise and don’t wear the tie or wear jeans with a nice shirt, but I’m sure the thing is, her family wouldn’t care.
I want Calvin as our next Archbishop of Canterbury.
Not a chance 'cos he's not a gay Marxist.
Would be a dream however he would need to convince the blasphemous bishops of the Church of England to even allow him to join the church.
Or J ewish
@@evolassunglasses4673 Very interesting Wiki biography about our current archbishop of Canterbury.
Turns out he was raised J ewish and didn't know who his real father was.
A bit like Jebus.
More importantly, he is not a member of the Church of England. which I think is still a requirement?
@@raypurchase801 The similarity ends there!
This was so very calming. Two gentleman of differing views. Civilisation, literally comes from the old French term 'politeness at the rulers table', agreement to preserve a shared place at all costs, or we eat on the floor, uncooked food like animals. Perhaps do a segment on the roots of Western civilite?
One of the most thought provoking and intelligent conversations I have listened to for a long time. I lack any sort of religious belief but totally agree with Calvin that Christian values were the fundamental bedrock of British society and that we will not be able to restore what we had unless we embrace them again. Carl and Calvin should make this into a series.
Forgive me for intruding, but if by any chance you find yourself unable to believe because you need more evidence, you’ll likely find exactly what you’re looking for on Inspiring Philosophy’s channel. It’s a heartbreakingly beautiful paradigm shift when what you know intellectually about science and what you know intuitively about morality and society harmonize.
It's like Mulders poster: "I want to believe".
But instead of aliens, it's a picture of Jesus.
"I think you see the truth in Christianity"
If he's anything like me, he sees the *value* in it.
A very important and often overlooked distinction!
@@saltburner2 Yes, "the truth in Christianity" is just solipsism at play, it's the same as postmodernist commies saying "my truth", they're both solipsistic nonsense. Being culturally Christian is fine, hell even Richard Dawkins says he's culturally Christian.
Quote or the year
_”a funeral isn’t about you, you’re gone…”_
- Carl Benjamin
It is for the mourners, but it is still about you!
This was fantastic - particularly loved the discussion at the start.
Very enjoyable discussion, so lovely to listen to two lovely, honest men talk about something that few have the courage to tackle. As someone who was raised as a Catholic, I left the church many years ago as a young adult but returned to it in my 30s. I left again when I learned the truth about the church's corruption and involvement in our slavery. I cannot walk into my village church knowing what I now know. Yet, I believe in Jesus, the Man and the Divine Ascended Master. I am closer to my Divine Creator now more than at any time in my life. I think Atheism is the greatest achievement of the Khazarian Mafia. They have capitilised on man's sinful arrogance (ego) to believe that he is the greatest entity in the Universe by using propaganda and brainwashing to underpin such an egregious lie. I have great faith that the truth about our salvation will soon be forthcoming and that our churches will one day flourish again, safe in knowledge and love. Ministers like Father Calvin are leading the way and I thank God for him and those like him.
Khazar story is BS. Only the elite there was Jewish and had to import Rabbis from elsewhere. I wish they had lasted because they protected a strategically important position keeping away the Islamic hordes
Carl, we're loving all of these extra shows and interesting interviews along with our daily dose of the Lotus Eaters. ❤
Thoroughly enjoyed this one. Thanks chaps
Two brilliant men. I enjoyed this
I'm now 45 years old and I have not felt part of any community or anything else for that matter for as long as I can remember, but in all of that time I have never had any thoughts of becoming a criminal or woke communist degenerate so I personally do not regard anything that has been said here as an excuse to be one.
Not everyone is like you. This is the mistake Harris and Dawkins made. They thought since they could be ethical without religion that everyone could and that’s not the case.
@@richardaaron4454 alright I have no choice but to accept that I have read 4 holy books from 4 of the worlds major religions and since they are not all that dissimilar I do accept the words of the holy texts as instructions of how to lead a good life by people, I am not religious in the slightest but was brought up in a strict Jewish family just for some context and most of my beliefs and morals stem from that, but I tell you truly no communist and his/her laws will ever change them.
@@Set-ri6rsI’m almost in the same boat as you. I’m not Jewish but I’m also 45 and I love philosophy and religious studies. I studied ethics for over a decade. Only recently have I started believing in God and it’s difficult because I have doubts. There are times when I see things that seem beyond coincidence and everyone does, that’s why people believe in simulation theory or why I personally used to believe life was a dream. I’ve basically been trying to “fake it ‘til I make it” and I hope it works in the long run.
I have Christian friends who say if they didn’t go to church that they’d be worse people, that going to church reminds them to be good and treat people good and I believe them. I don’t get that out of it but many do.
I’m not sure why I became a good person and cared so much about virtues. I know that when my peers idolized characters like Scarface that I was obsessed with King Arthur and The Knights of The Round Table and perhaps emulating them made me ethical but the story is Christian based and therefore my ethics are truly Christian at their core even if I didn’t consider myself Christian.
@@richardaaron4454 Just like some of us could live in a society without laws, most of us cannot. So some people can be ethical without religion, most people cannot.
@@chaptermasterpedrokantor1623Exactly
Following from Adelaide Australia
This was great🕊🙏🏻🕊🙏🏻🕊
I see the flicker of the idea of a dress code being implemented at The Lotus Eaters in Carls eyes.
This is a great conversation. Thanks from the US from a boomer who tried to keep a finger in the dike of modernism.
What a high quality conversation, great great stuff
I was moved by the words of King Charles at the opening of the coronation ceremony. After being welcomed in the name of the King of Kings (the Lord Jesus Christ), His Majesty replied saying “In His name and after His example, I come not to be served, but to serve.” I deeply hope that he truly meant that.
Man I wish I could find a Pastor like Mr. Robinson, I'd be going to church religiously. Literally.
"For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountain of ignorance and he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he's greeted by a band of theologians who've been sitting there for centuries."
Robert Jastrow, astrophysicist.
Love this quote. Scientism is a scurge on humanity.
@@MrHorsesongs05 what is scientism?
@@dncbot the idea that natural science is the only real knowledge. Leaves out metaphysics and we get weird nonsense like the big bang and 1000 genders.
@@dncbot A faith that takes science and elevates it into a religion. Just like socialism is a form of religion based on politics. It is not science itself that is at fault, but most people just cannot live a life without religion. So they elevate science, or politics, of whatever into a religion to sate their religious cravings.
@@chaptermasterpedrokantor1623 I see a lot of science wrongly elevated to authority, but not to religion? This from an atheist who believes science is necessary for knowledge about our shared existence.
Hypocrisy is not a sin. Dishonesty is. A parent who smokes and punishes their kid for having a cigarette is a hypocrite, but is also perfectly justified.
@@saltburner2 But it's not strictly fallacious.
@@saltburner2 Ah, so that's what the backside of your script says. So... it's a fallacy unless I point out that it's not, then it's not? I didn't write that sentence you're illustrating. I do like the old straw hat you have it wearing, though the pants could use some more stuffing.
@@troyhailey That's exactly what hypocrisy is. Do learn what words mean before you try to use them.
Not all hypocrisy is equally bad.
@@mikeallan7740 Some of it is downright good.
So much to say about this lovely chat with these men. But I'll be brief and leave it at this: live by principles, not by lies. These gents are doing just that and the world is a slightly better place for them having committed to doing so. Thank you to you both; I hope you get together to do it again soon.
Loved this interview. Both of you spoke from the heart.
Fantastic discussion. Carl's position sums up the dilemma perfectly. There are a lot of us who grew up in the post-Christian West who simply struggle to embrace what for previous generations was intuitive. Modernity strips away every guideline and principle and we're all a product of that.
The west is not post Christian, it's post an American theme park version of Christianity.
AY UP LOTUS EATERS
6 years ago God changed my heart. I was in a truly desperate situation so wiht all other options exausted I crossed my hands and yelled at the heavens. Instantly my anxiety, my aching, headache and stomach pains were gone. My body was filled with a warmth and confort, and I looked for it's source and could stare directly at the setting sun. It was a moment I'm unlikely to ever feel again in this life.
I didn't convert back to faith that day, I was still too stubborn, but over the next years God kept softening my heart and I began to see the truth in everyday life. Finally around the time of last easter I was convinced by the historical argument for Jesus' ressurection, from which logically followed that He is God and Christianity is true. Once you take that leap of faith its almost surreal how obvious the truth of Christianity becomes. You just see pieces of evidence everywhere and feel dumstruck that you couldn't or refused to connect the dots earlier.
I see Carl being in much the same place where I was a few years ago regarding faith. See sees all the benefits, the beauty and want's it, yet can't get himself yet to take that final step. Praying that God will keep softening his heart to Him. 🙏
And then everyone clapped and the birds started singing in English.
Calvin is such a beautiful person. Thank God for him.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder!
5:18
"No one can complain about people like that."
Actually, there are plenty who still manage it.
Dawkins did, his 'creationists under the bed' approach in the 1990s (amplified by the BBC) was clearly an attack on those types of people.
Here is my problem, and this is a genuine challenge to believers I'm looking input.
If we are believing not because it is TRUE, but merely because it has social utility, isn't that just desperately cynical?
Carl I have been praying for you for years now. I am so glad to see you closer than ever. I think you may as well surrender like C.S. Lewis as the most reluctant convert in Christendom. 😊😊😊😊
I have been a nonbeliever my entire life. I'm also a non-Christian. If I was not an atheist, I would still not be a Christian. As a citizen of a largely Christian nation, it would put me at even more of a disadvantage than I am already in.
I am a materialist extremist. I do not believe anything to exist beyond the natural world. Inevitably, I think about death every day. I exist, my family exists, my community exists, but one day I and everyone I've ever met will be dead. One day I and everyone I've ever met will be forgotten. I do not have a nice and neat conclusion to this thought, but it is necessary to mention when talking about religion.
The religious influences of my family were varied throughout my childhood. Former believers, former atheists, lifelong believers, lifelong atheists. My parents, never interested in committing to giving me a religious upbringing themselves, gave up paying lip service to their parents early on, but they were laissez-faire about religion. I was not subjected to state atheism at their hands. I could have gone either way growing up.
I believe what I believe whether I want to or not. My beliefs simply are. They may change, but it is not by my will, they change as a result of changing values or changing information. Or perhaps by violent persecution. Everyone has a breaking point. I do not trust Christians not to return to inquisition. Christianity is only a few crowns short of being another Islam.
Every time a Calvin Robinson video comes out, I see an overwhelming majority of comments pushing Christianity, and I have the urge to represent atheist thought. Someone has to do it. From Carl's perspective as a nonbeliever, he has not gifted his children the promise of Heaven, he has gifted them with the belief of the promise of Heaven. He can't give to his children that which he does not believe exists. I'm actually kind of disappointed he didn't make this point himself. He has expressed concern for the preservation of England's traditions, including the Christian ones. That makes perfect sense in terms of his politics, but it also speaks to a mercenary motivation to participate in religious activities. I think the reason Carl doesn't push back on Calvin is because, despite his lack of belief, he still wants Calvin to spread Christianity, because Carl believes Christianity is an important element of Englishness. But that does not in the slightest suggest faith on Carl's part. I wonder if Carl feels like he's less English than other Englishmen on account of his atheism.
On a final related note, I feel that it's important to remember that not every religion has a homeland. For me, living anywhere other than America would be stranding me in a foreign place of a foreign culture, and possibly a foreign language, where I don't know anyone and would effectively have to start from zero. America's most important proposition ensures I have a place in American culture regardless of faith. It was so important in the eyes of the founding fathers that they put it before the freedom of speech.
Carl doesn't provide much push back when nonsensical claims are made against atheism despite being an atheist because he knows it may hurt his viewer base. Unfortunately the right is not the friend of any atheist because the right is mostly Christian and it doesn't matter how many things you agree with them on you'll always be seen as the enemy, ideology is poison.
@@mikeallan7740 I prefer to be challenged than pandered to by the people I agree with. Being pandered to is just entertainment. Christians have a rich history of not sharing that virtue. Of course I have to be careful not to fall into a trap where I get an irrational ideological love-of-the-other, but that's on me. What isn't on me is two thousand years of killing for God. But, you know, don't worry, that wasn't _real_ Christianity!
Very interesting interview. Getting right to the nub of things...as usual. thanks for putting it together. 👍
Think the issue is with people. I am an atheist, but I have plenty of faith, just not in God. I value a lot of things Christians would claim as Christian values. Most Christians I know (anecdotal) don't, the only thing they value is belief in God because that will get them into heaven.
I would say they aren’t really Christians then? If you don’t even attempt to take seriously the doctrines of a faith or can’t articulate them, how could you be what you claim? This is common and not sure why people claim this but it is frustrating to me as a Christian who tries to do what I indicated above
Expert in all seven forms of Cardinal Sin? Don't worry, you won't go to Heaven.
@@Tyler_WI "I would say they aren't really Christians then?"
That's what every christian says about someone who doesn't believe the same as them, just like the woke nutters.
@@Wolfways It's the classic no true Scotsman fallacy.
@@Tyler_WI gatekeeping religion never works, you can't say they aren't Christian.
“Men thrive when they are in awe of the divine, in fear of the gallows and subject to the good example of their neighbours” - Goethe
When I was Baptized as an infant, I don't recall having any deep internal dialogues about theological authenticity. Carl, just do it! Accept that the meaning is mysterious. Calvin is a wonderful presenter of Christian truth. God bless.
" mysterious " = made up.
This was a fantastic conversation. Well done good sirs, would you consider making a short series out of this?. There is so much profound material to expand upon. I think it would be a great success.
Honestly, one of the biggest hinderances I have to dressing in a suit is that I am worried about being ostracized by the leadership at my office. If I show up in a suit, and the CTO is dressed in a T-Shirt and tennis shoes, what are the odds he is going to see me as arrogant? Quite high in our world today... It's only a matter of time before I go ahead and do it, but the fear is real.
I always wore a suit to work, like all my male colleagues, as it was expected by the court. It never seemed like an imposition. After retirement, I rarely wore a suit - only for very formal occasions.
Calvin is right on. If you’re looking for absolute proof of God, it’s not there - if it was then everyone would believe. But that would also remove the need for faith and free will. We must choose God, despite doubts.
I now wear Shirts, trousers and leather shoes whenever I leave the house. Thank you Calvin.
Carl, I can see the Holy Spirit working on you. Those who were being baptised by John in preparation of the coming of the Messiah weren't sure either. The Church needs men like you.
I think you mean you can imagine the Holy Spirit working on Carl. By definition, the Holy Spirit cannot be seen (despite the Pentecostal legend of the dove descending). The Athanasian Creed, (which you may think has less authority than the Scriptures), is quite uncompromising on the issue.
Eyes glazed over levels of religious cringe.
This is a great and strong showing from two men that mean what they and actually respect each other.
Father Calvin is so authentic. No wonder parts of the church find him a problem.
Had a similar lack of any sort of traditional pressure as a young man to grow up, get married, have kids etc. Fortunately I did have my Catholic faith to guide me, so I do have a family and I do goto church and wear proper shoes! But wish I'd started many years earlier. At least these days there is content like this that can give young men a bit of guidance.
I feel like this is the conversation that Carl will remember that made him a believer later on.
Men should not wear shorts/sneakers (trainers for the Brit’s) outside of athletic endeavors or beach/swim attire. I said this to a few of my friends who had shorts on at the Pub and they looked at MEEEE like I was the crazy one.
Because you are.
I will only go to the supermarket in my dinner jacket and bow tie. Standards must be maintained.
Father Calvin is an unstoppable force
Carl is a 'cultural Christian' like most of the population of the UK, very few of whom (less than 10%) ever go to Church, and even fewer of whom actually believe in the Christian Creeds or formal teachings (even among Catholics, I have discovered). Calvin's views are rejected by the majority of the Anglican Bishops and clergy - which is why he was denied Ordination.
Bishops yes, though many of them are women and thus is schism with apostolic succession, the clergy are less sure as the Christian ones tend to keep a low profile. He is however mostly in line with Christian dogma while much of the Church of England is openly heretical even by the lower standards of Protestantism.
@@lensflares9901 Chocolate is very harmless, compared to belief in eternal damnation, which Darwin considered a 'damnable doctrine', and the reason he no longer considered himself a Christian. This part of his autobiography was deleted by his wife, Emma, but re-instated by his granddaughter, Nora Barlow.
We know most people reject Christianity that's why we are in this mess.
We haven't created something to place it.
@@vorynrosethorn903 All sects were branded heretical at first in one way or another, now they're recognised as legitimate faiths, gatekeeping religion never works.
@@evolassunglasses4673 Ideologues always blame the loss of their ideology's power and influence for society's woes, the commies did and you're doing it. It's lazy and lacks nuance.
Revivals come, often when we don't expect one.
Usually in times of social upheaval or national crisis.
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Also normally after a pandemic if there is not a false religion being pushed by every institution and the media...
My parents gave me the choice to get Christened which I was at the age of 12. I have always been religious but always held back on the proverbial leap of faith. In mid-2020 during lockdown, curfew, travel restrictions and mask mandates, the truth of Jesus Christ hit me like a slap on the face. I took the leap and looking back it was a small step. Let's hope it is a small step our Carl takes one day.
Well said. Our Carl. I love that. He IS our Carl. I think God is with him every step of the way.
Keep your mits off of Carl weirdo, he's ours.
@@racheljames7 Thank you Rachel! I grew up in Australia and we never use the term "our" but I watched a lot of British sitcoms as a kid and I heard it all the time. It just stayed with me :-)
@@zoltanrudolf Yay, jumping further into ideology, what could go wrong?
@@mikeallan7740 Politics is ideology, religion is not.
To the host: I wish everyone was as honest as you. Very refreshing. Like Calvin, I am also a Christian, and I am deeply encouraged by your attitude.
Bless you Calvin. Always a joy to hear from you and Carl, of course. Being 50+ so much of this conversation rang true (perhaps pushing at an open door or preaching to the choir?). Anyway, thank you guys. I look forward to more in a similar vein. 😊❤
p.s. A lot of us “old gals” still have a great deal of respect and love for our men folk. We wouldn’t be here without them.
Calvin and Carl thrive on this.
Carl is growing up right before us ❤
Praying for you Carl!
On the farm, my dad wore a suit to work. In a cold climate, his old suit and respected.
@15:19 THIS is the way to get things back on track in a nutshell…
✝️ 🍞 💧 🍷 🕊
Every time I hear this man speak I'm impressed.
Calvin is one of new fav people. Always respected him. I don't always agree 100% with him but he's just so sincere, good energy and has great knowledge and wisdom and he genuinely cares for all people and is brave enough to put himself on the line for the sake of whats right and good, much ❤🙏
On the topic of clothing, many American GIs went into battle in World War II in jacket, shirt, and tie.
I love Calvin and I'm an Anglo-Southerner (American). He is one of several inspirations that persuaded me into an ACNA church.
I think what Carl is trying to say about not wanting baptism for himself is that if he were to do so now of his own volition, he would be in a sense admitting that it's a selfish act to save his soul. An act of dishonest self preservation.
And as Marcus Aurelius said (i think): if there is a god and he is virtuous, it only matters that you are good. If he isnt virtuous he doesnt deserve your worship, and if there is no God, living a good life is still a good thing for those all around us.
@@Wintermute909 A god who denies people a place in a spiritual afterlife because they did not prescribe to his particular flavor of religion is not a god worth worshiping. If anything why would a god demand that people worship him in the first place? We know from cults of personalities, like Hitler, Stalin, Mao, the Kim dynasty, how f***ed up it makes those people. A god who demands worship, or even allows worship is an immoral being. As such the Marcus Aurelius quote holds true. You live a good virtuous life as it is a good thing for both yourself and the people around you. Not because you fear some supernatural bogeyman.
So you support evil, got it.
God should treat a poor beggar child and a sadistic pedo who killed them the same in the afterlife, what a warped morality your prefect image of God must be.
If you are meaning do you go to hell for things you don't want to observe then that isn't up to anyone but God himself, repentance and the significance of the sin matters as do wider circumstances. Two soldiers might kill in war but one go to hell for enjoying it without remorse while the other is safe for considering it his duty. Likewise looters who steal food may be at risk while those who do so out of genuine desperation are deemed justified. To put it simply you have to be a good person in reality rather than fulfilling the minimum social requirements to look such.
@@Wintermute909 You seem to discount the possibility that his children may come round to his position.
@@chaptermasterpedrokantor1623Well, you could make an argument that a God should request a form of worship, like an acknowledgement that he is indeed a God. Those who deny his existence but are virtuous won't be punished so long as they remained virtuous. those who do believe in a God are simply requested to remind themselves of their place in the universe.
Maybe what I'm saying doesn't make sense but it's how I see it, God doesn't require worship for worship's sake but as a reminder of our place in the universe, part of nature, not its master.
@@gustaveardila6286 You can always argue that a God is so far beyond our comprehension that his motivations are incomprehensible to us. But if my children would kiss my ass every day, telling me how awesome and special I am, I'd feel like a failure as a parent in delivering a human being into this world who is mentally adult and can take care of himself, instead I created a sycophant who could not survive for 10 seconds without me. If we are God's children then God would take immense pleasure in seeing that we are well rounded beings who can survive on our own without needing his help all the time. Only a being that is evil demands lesser beings to worship him at the price of eternal torment if they disobey him.
Ah a full episode of the suit shaming of Carl. Get a suit already lad!
Its a good meme, all the grey npcs with their hands on Carl "Get a suit Sargon"
Suits suck, especially ties
How did the old saying go again? Good times create weak men, weak men lead to bad times, bad times produce strong men, strong men create good times, and so the cycle continues. So how can we have good times that are hard enough to help society stay in shape?
Thank you so much Calvin. I appreciate 🙏 the word
I feel that way as a later in life convert that my parents who later re-converted after me deprived me of the opportunity of a Christian childhood. Now I’ll never share a connection with other Christian’s who did have that childhood. Not bitter or anything but I did miss out. The time I would have spent at church I just spent watching cartoons 😕 so… Maybe children aren’t the best judge for these things.
Same. I missed in church to watch TV
great conversation. I do agree that the country has lost it's faith in God and that is why the country is in such a state. But I would also say that we have lost our connection to the land, particularly of farming and the natural rhythm of the seasons. So many people have no connection with the land and along with their lost faith in God, has brought the country to where it is now.
Not religious, but I do get that loosing connection with the land & nature. Sadly like so many people of today they are a product of modernity & technophilla. This is where the older generation can come in and step up and show the kids alternatives.
Which God ?
@@snowflakemelter1172Whatcha mean which God? If God is the creator of life the universe and everything then why would God have an identity crisis? God would know who God is or isn't. Just take humanity out of the equation before a time they existed. No man, no religion, but the basic question still stands. What if anything created life the universe and everything before man and his religions existed.
Hope was the final thing to come out of Pandora's Box! It attaches to the heart and drains the soul. Faith is what will support the soul.
Great discussion, I’ve come to expect that from the Lotus Eaters.
“God”, but I have had it with these comments pestering Carl about his spirituality. “You’re so close but I can feel you holding back”, etc.
Having this level of personal investment in another person’s religiosity is part of the reason why people turn away from organised religion. I find it intrusive and not at all conducive to one’s ‘journey to Christ’, which is seemingly supposed to be a deeply personal and authentic one, and not merely a case of convincing someone to join your cult.
You find it intrusive that people wish for you to experience the blessings of the Lord? That's a rather odd take. Do you tell off the person at the register who wishes you a nice day too?
@@nethrelm If every interaction between a religious person and a non-believer had the same degree of investment from the atheist side of things: "Oh, he's so close to letting go", etc... then i'd understand if religious people started not liking to engage with non-believers.
It would mean a (hopefully productive) conversation about the nature of morality or the importance of systems that uphold morality, etc. is perceived by one side as an oportunity to make people join them rather than take the lessons from the interaction to improve as people, or deepen their perception on what they believe in. If the interaction has something like this in its subtext, it means there's a lack of respect for the other person's viewpoint.
A person at a register telling you to have a nice day is not the same as what's happening in this comment section. It is closer to an atheist celebrating that a religious person didn't pray for one week, or that they're having doubts about their faith.
P.S. Bloodborne is great. No clashes on that
Reminder that saint thomas the apostle also said “i want to believe but cant” and christ came back to show him the proof that he needed. stay on the royal path carl, youre not alone.
You get that is part of the story, like Dyionysus turning water into wine and healing the sick. I hope you're not shocked that the story of your character involves a story that the character shows evidence to other characters THAT EXIST IN THE STORY.
What if faith was the most dishonest position it was possible to hold?
What if god exists, but considers 'faith' to be an insult to their being, for instance? The priests wouldn't tell you that, even if it was true. Their jobs depend on it.
@@MINDYOUROWNBUISINESSand yet the people who worshipped dinosious switched to worshipped jesus
@@kingoflebanon1986 No.
Argument from popularity wouldn't be a valid argument even if I said yes, but no. Replacing one mythic character for bad reasons with a different mythic character for bad reasons is STILL a mythic character and STILL for BAD REASONS.
Being someone who is so immersed in history, it's surprising to me that Rev. Robinson doesn't at least consider converting to Catholicism given the theological foundation of the C of E.
Are you aware of so called Anglo Catholicism? The part of Anglicanism which kept most things, excluding the pope. Anglicanism is basically more of a genealogical term than a doctrinal one
@@napoleonfeanor Yes, I am aware of it, and it is indeed a beautiful church. However, if one does not acknowledge the authority of the Pope, he/she is not Catholic no matter how similar the doctrine and rituals are at the church he/she attends. It really is that simple.
There is a nice Interview with Calvin on the 'Pints with Aquinas' TH-cam podcast. That was the first time I'd seen him.
Walked past Calvin a few weeks ago on Queens Park High Street. The bloke is a giant.
I'm kind of having a conflicting feeling about Calvin's framing of atheism on this one; like atheism is just some flaw to over come. And Carl conceding that it's a flaw of his liberal upbringing.
To me atheism needs no defense, nor Christianity any offense. Christianity makes very much sense on how it came about, the right belief system for the right time. I'd wager that if it was a belief of a neighboring nation to the early Roman republic than it would have simply been wiped out like so many other cultures and mythologies that fell to the Romans. But it didn't, it came to Rome when it was receptive to ideas, and there was pre-existing societal dysfunction. And it makes sense why it has lasted so long, a belief system that merges moral code, cultural history, societal functions, and a "weather the storm" attitude, all without the need for outward aggression. And such an attitude to come about during the dawn of the bronze age collapse is just perfect timing; it survived the hardships.
And to how it has persisted in the modern age. It is a belief system perfect for societies bigger than mere tribes. It promotes common decency even to strangers, to be willing to welcome strangers into your fold. This facilitating ideas like civic duty and being neighborly. I can appreciate this all from the perspective of a life long atheist.
I believe that societies do need the feeling of "bigger purpose" and belonging, and to many, spirituality. But I do not tell myself that Christianity is the only way, it's just the most time tested way.
I do not wish to invalidate all other cultures and belief systems nor do I wish to nihilistically plunge into cultural relativism but I am quite content with seeing humans as being the by product of natural selection, and Christianity was just the same for culture; the right stuff in the right spot.
excuse my pedantic rambling...
If Calvin thinks atheism is some flaw to overcome then he's an idiot.