Manifesto from the Provisional Government of Macedonia - 1881. President, Vasil Chomo Secretary, Nikola Trajkov. "'our beloved fatherland is calling to you my faithful children you descendants of Aristotle and Alexander the great you and whose veins flow Macedonian blood." -- this means that we are Macedonian descendants of Aristotle and Alexander. They were not Slavs -- they were Macedonians = We are Macedonians, not Slavs. Please stop this Slavic Communist propaganda For us Macedonians.
so in 1830 when king otto of bavaria united the hellenic tribes why didn't they choose the name macedonia mr john bitove speaks the truth with pride and emotion
Manifesto from the Provisional Government of Macedonia - 1881. President, Vasil Chomo Secretary, Nikola Trajkov. "'our beloved fatherland is calling to you my faithful children you descendants of Aristotle and Alexander the great you and whose veins flow Macedonian blood." -- this means that we are Macedonian descendants of Aristotle and Alexander. They were not Slavs -- they were Macedonians = We are Macedonians, not Slavs. Please stop this Slavic Communist propaganda For us Macedonians.
ridiculous person. he is talking and he is laughing cause he knows he is trying to lie. haha! And with his arguments only idiots can be convinced. Canada is a very large country. Befor it was this country there was many smaller parts. So somebody who is born in Quebec in Canada can say I am not a Canadian but an Quebecian? Alexander United Greece and spread Hellenismus and Greek culture not the Skopian.
Manifesto from the Provisional Government of Macedonia - 1881. President, Vasil Chomo Secretary, Nikola Trajkov. "'our beloved fatherland is calling to you my faithful children you descendants of Aristotle and Alexander the great you and whose veins flow Macedonian blood." -- this means that we are Macedonian descendants of Aristotle and Alexander. They were not Slavs -- they were Macedonians = We are Macedonians, not Slavs. Please stop this Slavic Communist propaganda For us Macedonians.
Why were the Macedonians styled as "Greeks" in the 19th Century? As the ancients knew well that the Macedonians were not Greeks but a distinct nation, and as the overwhelming evidence shows that the Macedonians did not regard themselves as Greeks, nor were regarded as Greeks by the Greeks, the question must be asked - why would some 19th century western writers (full 20 centuries after the end of the Macedonian kingdom), make a 180 degree bold move to consider the Macedonians as "Greeks"? The answer of this question reveals two main reasons for it: 1) Personal political motivations, and 2) Lack of sufficient ancient evidence at the time. Late nineteenth and early twentieth century western historians who were inamorata with anything Greek, and saw ancient Greece as the cradle of the Western civilization, could not possibly imagine that uncouth and brute people like the ancient Macedonians could topple the Greek states (specifically Athens) and build an empire of the likes that Europe has not seen yet. They regarded Philip II of Macedon and his Macedonians as destroyer of "Greek spirit and culture", as people who extinguished the flame from the Athenian glory. Athens in particular, and the rest of the Greek city-states in general, were culturally and physically exhausted. Hogarth says that they suffered from "premature senility", incapable of growth and re-organization of its citizenry. The enthusiasm for Hellas in a cultivated modern age, and the romanticism with Greek art and culture, created an atmosphere of hatred for the person and the people (Philip and his Macedonians) who destroyed Greek autonomy. In the backdrop of such a poisonous milieu, the ancient Macedonians "could not possibly be perceived as masters of the world", for if anybody should achieve such a supreme act, they must be Greek. These people could not accept the fact that the organism in the Greek city-state, as they have come to know and appreciate, no longer breathed any signs of life, and that the Macedonians as a non-Greek nation possessed power, discipline, and inner strength to conquer not only the Greeks but the Persians too. Thus, subsequent reference to ancient Macedonians as Greeks should not come to a great surprise. Having this in mind, some 19th century western historians, specifically German historians led by J. Droysen, saw parallelism between events which occurred in Greece and Macedonia 22 centuries ago, with those in Prussia and Germany. The 19th century is the birth of nationalism in Europe, and as Italy was unifying, Prussia was the advocate of the German unification. Therefore for the German writers: · When Philip II and his Macedonians conquered the Greeks after Chaeronea it was not a conquest but a "unification of Greece" (contrary to all ancient sources). · When Alexander the Great invaded Asia, it was the "Greek conquest and vengeance", not the Macedonian plan for action (contrary for all sources that point that the Greeks played no role in the conquest and that Alexander fought for the glory of Macedonia). · When the Macedonian Army conquered territories from Greece to India, it was the "Greek Empire" that received the recognition, not the Macedonian Empire (although Alexander's empire had never been called Greek in any ancient source, but specifically Macedonian). · More modern inventions were added - that with the conquest of Asia the "Greeks were spreading Hellenism", and that the Macedonian kingdoms after Alexander, (which were ruled till their end by Macedonians, not by Greeks), were "Hellenistic kingdoms", and so on, and so on... Those western historians from the modern age (the ones following J. Droysen), by denying Philip and his Macedonians the merit that they so rightfully deserve, have simply ignored the writings of the ancient biographers and chroniclers. However, even with this occasional omission on their part, the inevitable recognition of Macedonians as a separate people from the Greeks does occur nevertheless in their very own works. Professor Eugene Borzawho is credited as "Macedonian specialist" by the American Philological Association, and who has done extensive studies regarding the ethnicity of the ancient Macedonians, had also presented in-depth analysis on this "Greek position" which claims that the ancient Macedonians were Greek. In his In the Shadow of Olympus, The Emergence of Macedon (p.91-92) he writes: "Thus, long before there was a sufficient ancient evidence to argue about the ethnic identity--as revealed by language--of the ancient Macedonians, there emerged a "Greek" position claiming that the Macedonian language was Greek, and that thus the inhabitants were Greek." The 19th century western writers, including J. Droysen, have therefore, developed a position that the Macedonians were Greek and invented the words Helenism and Hellenistic, long before there was sufficient ancient evidence to argue about their ethnicity. But today modern historiography had long abandoned this prematurely established "Greek" position and returned to consider the Macedonians as distinct nation just like the ancients did. The whole revisionist movement launched against the false historical interpretations and led by historians Ernst Badian from Harvard University, Borza, Bosworth, Green, and Jouguet and Hogarth and others before them, finally put an end to the historical inaccuracies and proved once for all that the Macedonians were not Greeks, did not consider themselves as Greeks, but were a proud distinct nation who kept the Greeks enslaved for centuries. Google Web www.historyofmacedonia.org www.historyofmacedonia.org/ConciseMace…/timeline.html Greece has no right in demanding a name change of Republic of Macedonia and also the Veto against Macedonia entering the EU unless the name is changed....Considering the geographical position of Republic of Macedonia located on the exact position of ancient Macedonia and the ancient history in detail clearly stands against the claims that Greece makes.....Negotiations about the name Macedonia should stop as this demand is way out of order and should not be considered...
No that's where you're wrong my father is what is called a Pontiac Greek or Black Sea Greek the Black Sea Greeks have their own language it is a form of Greek if you take a Greek man from Athens and you take him into a Pontiac Village and he listens to what is called Pontiaka or Black Sea Greek he will not be able to understand it. Maybe 50% or 60% understand it just like the Greeks of Cyprus and the Greeks of Crete they have their own language the macedonians ancient macedonies that is were able to participate in the Olympic Games because they were able to prove that the lineage from Argos Argos is the area in southern Greece Peleponese Alexander the Great spread Hellenistic culture throughout the world why didn't he spread the so-called Macedonian culture on TH-cam you can listen to the Pellan dialect. When I listen to it it doesn't sound Slavic at all in fact I recognize a great portion of it and I only speak the modern Greek so at the end of the day from Outsiders who don't understand Greeks or when they see the ancient Greeks denying that the the ancient macedonians were Greek they don't understand there's a lot of infighting Greeks are very clannish people however you have Herodotus as well as strabo and many other Greeks of that time of that era confirming that the ancient macedonians war of the Hellenistic stock now that being said once again an outsider when they they see how the evidence of Macedonian speaking a different language and the Greeks from the south don't understand hear what you must understand almost every Greek city-state had its own language and it wasn't till Alexander the Great made it where all the Greeks have to speak the Greek that is spoken in Attica AKA Athens so in fact he unified us and then when before he conquered the Persians he was voted by Pan Hellenic group Coalition for him to lead against the Persians member Alexander the Great stated many times that his father was Zeus himself and that Hercules he used that name Hercules for his son so the macedonians worship Greek gods they went to Delphi for how much Alexander the Great make coins in Greek he spread Greek culture but yet you say he wasn't Greek but one thing's for sure even BORZA are and other so-called specialist that shall keep parading that says that that say that the macedonians the ancient macedonians were not Greek here's one thing that is Unified on both Mr borza and all the others you point out like Peter Green they all stayed that the Slavic macedonians have nothing to do with Alexander the Great nor the ancient Macedonian people in fact look up Mr borza on Wikipedia scroll down and you'll see that he doubted the Slavic Macedonian claims and this is the guy that y'all go to or you'll point out as the number one guy to debunk all the great claims. But let's look at what other people called Alexander the Great and the ancient macedonians the Persians called the ancient macedonians Greeks with funny hats that is the fact you have Outsiders of Greece calling the ancient macedonians Greek so there's this every one person that you may see that you may throw up and say hey this person said this and this I can give you 10 that could confirm that they were Greek remember Herodotus is the first historian and he classifies them as Greek of course ancient macedonians had their own customs same thing with the Pontiac Greeks or AKA Black Sea Greeks same thing with the Cypriot Greeks. Even the Greeks today are clannish 100 years ago when Greeks were coming from turkey and they're being kicked out of the Greeks from the mainland were saying they weren't true Greeks so this is how my people are so when you have Demostenes attacking Philip II this in front of my eyes and any other Greek is coming this is what Greeks do they shoot each other in the foot but an outsider does not understand this but one thing we can agree upon the current macedonians have nothing to do with the ancient macedonians and I challenge you to show me one college professor whether he be from England or China or Japan or India or whatever you show me one that states the Slavic macedonians of today are the descendants of Alexander the Great and the ancient macedonians you won't find one.
Watched this again years later, damn Bitov ruined this gyro man, and i still cant stop lauging that the greek guy said that Gligorov was on the side of hitler in ww2
Manifesto from the Provisional Government of Macedonia - 1881. President, Vasil Chomo Secretary, Nikola Trajkov. "'our beloved fatherland is calling to you my faithful children you descendants of Aristotle and Alexander the great you and whose veins flow Macedonian blood." -- this means that we are Macedonian descendants of Aristotle and Alexander. They were not Slavs -- they were Macedonians = We are Macedonians, not Slavs. Please stop this Slavic Communist propaganda For us Macedonians.
Manifesto from the Provisional Government of Macedonia - 1881. President, Vasil Chomo Secretary, Nikola Trajkov. "'our beloved fatherland is calling to you my faithful children you descendants of Aristotle and Alexander the great you and whose veins flow Macedonian blood." -- this means that we are Macedonian descendants of Aristotle and Alexander. They were not Slavs -- they were Macedonians = We are Macedonians, not Slavs. Please stop this Slavic Communist propaganda For us Macedonians.
Manifesto from the Provisional Government of Macedonia - 1881. President, Vasil Chomo Secretary, Nikola Trajkov. "'our beloved fatherland is calling to you my faithful children you descendants of Aristotle and Alexander the great you and whose veins flow Macedonian blood." -- this means that we are Macedonian descendants of Aristotle and Alexander. They were not Slavs -- they were Macedonians = We are Macedonians, not Slavs. Please stop this Slavic Communist propaganda For us Macedonians.
Greece as country was form by England 1820 so it is only 200 years old country but they are claiming 4000 thousands years of history. They never used the the name Macedonia or the Macedonian flag (have you seen any Greek demonstrating with Macedonian flag?) Since 1820 they change about 20 flags(check it out) Also all there kings where from Austria Germany Holland Italy. And all of kings where kicked out of Greece because none of the kings had Greek blood. Lots of Greeks know this. Thank you.
yet they speak the language of alexander and his forefathers , use the same alphabet , can read and understand what thousands of historic proof was found .THE very names of their past mean something in the greek language .greeks were never a singe country but have been a single ethnicity for thousands of years dont get confused
What to correct, Macedonians used force and false pedigree to be part of the olimpics, and second if you free your brothers and sisters, why you made them change their names, why change names of towns, why killed those who didn't want to change that, and why you bring half a million people to settle those "Greeks" lands, if they were Greeks they will still be there Greeks, you didn't had to populate those lands. And exile those who lived there
how can you prove that macedonians used false pedigree ? thats propaganda .greeks didi not change names of places they just started using the preexisting ones ,the ones that otoman empire changed to erase former memory.after liberating macedonia the names were simply restored . after the balkan and 1 world war there was a population exchange .i have relative families that were living in bitola and were relocated just as slavs were taken away from greek soil . i am tying to understand your point of view .all i see is propaganda
Greece is an Artificial state! The London Conference of 1832, result of this became The Kingdom of Greece; First Greek King was Prince of Germany Otto of Bavaria (1832 - 1862) ------------------ The first President of Greece was an Albanian who could not speak a word of modern Greek. Georgios Kountouriotis Γεώργιος Κουντουριώτης (1782 - 1858) 🇲🇰Do not try to steal our history🇲🇰 Македонија на Македонците👌
Let the Archaeologists and scholars debate this issue!!! The evidence and truth is buried in the ground and cannot be falsified!!! No need for anyone's history books!
Bucharest Agreement - signed on August 10, 1913. between the warring parties in the Second Balkan War: Serbia, Montenegro, Romania and Greece on the one hand and Bulgaria on the other. * With the Bucharest "peace" agreement, Macedonia was divided as follows: * The Aegean part, with an area of 34,356 km2 was occupied by Greece, * The Vardar part with an area of 25,342 km2 was occupied by Serbia, * The Pirin part with 6,798 km2 occupied Bulgaria and * The southern shore of Lake Ohrid - Mala Prespa with 1,115 km2 and were assigned to Albania. * The importance of that catastrophic agreement for Makedonika expired in 2003. Now the occupied parts must be united in a united Macedonia within the borders as before 1913. that is why we need a real Macedonian leader who will coordinate us all Macedonians from the parts; The Aegean, Pirin, Vardar and Mala Prespa with Golo Brdo in a united Macedonia. Macedonia eternal and united❤️🇲🇰👌
Thanks John I'm proud that I'm Makedonec and there are proud Macedonians and we can stand there with a proud culture. Not only that We are the source of the Kirilic Analfabet since Greeks changed few letters since Isocrat had the problem with that. Even to the neighbours we give to them analphabetic knowledge and they also like the geckos want of Makedonia. Makedonia for Makedonians.
Manifesto from the Provisional Government of Macedonia - 1881. President, Vasil Chomo Secretary, Nikola Trajkov. "'our beloved fatherland is calling to you my faithful children you descendants of Aristotle and Alexander the great you and whose veins flow Macedonian blood." -- this means that we are Macedonian descendants of Aristotle and Alexander. They were not Slavs -- they were Macedonians = We are Macedonians, not Slavs. Please stop this Slavic Communist propaganda For us Macedonians.
In the 19th century, the great powers began to show interest in the Balkans. With the revolt of the Greeks in 1821, Europe became philhellene, driven by romanticism. This interest, initially literary and romantic, turned into a historical and geopolitical argument and became the basis of the ideology of Western colonization. To justify the superiority of their "white race" in their work of colonization, the Westerners (especially the Germans) chose as the ancestors of the cities the Hellenes, for classical culture, and the Macedonians for their conquests of the ancient known world, giving them the generic name of the Greeks. It was in this sense that the Prussian Johann Gustav Droysen, concerned about the problems of German unification, reconstructed the history of the ancient history of the southern Balkans, which he later called the "History of Hellenism". and then confused the two. Instead of appropriately calling the period after Alexander the Great the Macedonian period," he chose to call it the "Hellenistic period," effectively depriving the Greeks of their African roots.
Whatever Greeks are claiming is simply untrue, falsified or pre-written. The truth is that people were living in this region for tens of thousands of years as for example, the Indians, people which Christopher Columbus 'discovered' in America .. It is known that Macedonia, in the ancient times, was the first established state in the world, with its own administration,army etc and most probably if not surely with its own language.. . And it is also known that it was formed 200 years before Athens and 800 years before Rome. I suggest to all Greeks to not only read their fairly tales but read the unbiased sources.
unbiased sources ???? like the ones that write of alexanders love of greek mythology , grek gods , greek ejucation , greek language . The guy started an expedition to avenge persians for invading greece .what part of all this do not proove his greek origin
@@kalathasl terms like greek/greece were not known in the time of Alexander, even Philip the 5th asked the Roman general Flaminininus in his letter, 'what is this Greece you want me to evacuate and how do you define greece'! 🙂 Meaning, Alexander admired PELASGIAN history. And Olymp, the Panteon was on Macedonian territory.
@@user-yz6ec6ou5s how could he not make such a question , since greece is a name given to us by romans.originating from a near rome hellenic population that they referred to as greci.Philip wouldn't have known that by the time ,as any other hellin .we dont refer ourselves as greeks only as hellenes .our current democracy from its start is called hellenic the country hellas .The name greece or greeks is for foreigners only ,it has been for 200 years now.We simply don't mind like the germas who dont call themselves germans in germay .Get it ? So Philip as any other "greek" or hellin would have the same question
@@kalathasl you are close to the point, greeks were population that spoke language that native Pelasgians could not understand, they were migrants. Probably Danai or Egyptians. Macedonians and Elines were relatives and they spoke same language only different dialects. And it is confirmed that the Pelasgian language was slavophone language. Today's Greek language is not the same as this language which they spoke. Today's Greek language is an artificial language and it's made from the ancient koine language which was an esperanto language, lingua franca language made for trading purposes around the Mediterranean.
@@user-yz6ec6ou5s you are so wrong, greeks were hellenes settled in today italy ,the did not refere to themselves as greeks since the roman named them this way.their langage survives even today (visit cicily and the area of magna grecia as they call it )and i as any other hellin can understand ,same language different dialect. So spare me with the propaganda i have living proof .pelasgian from the hellelic or greek (the same nowadays) Πελασγός have nothing to do with slavs (great culture by the way ).the slavs didn't exit until 1000 years later. Repeating 1000 years later .Any effort of relating those 2 comes from modern propaganda and has no archeological findings. CAN YOU SPEAK PELASGIAN.Modern hellenic language has a proven (by written textures)continuation through the ages .The funny thing is that if we had a time macine i would be able to converse with alexander the great ,what would you do use your hands?Even if you did ,what would you tell him ,that he was no greek ?you would have met his sword and fury like the rest of the barberians .
Risently i visited Greece. on the border, the polisman ask me ;where do you go, i sayed Makedonija , in retun he sayed in greek Makedonia ine edo{i sayd yes ta ine]jas bev vo grcia 11meseci vo 1962 godina kako begalec, i znam nesto grki , togas jas rekov oti odam vo Makedonia toj mi veli mMakedonia e ovde nazad, a jas odgovoriv da ce bide. mi go zede Australiskiot pasapord me drza 5 sati na granica,togas jas e telefonirav Australiskata Ambasada vo Atina polse kratko vrem me pusti. Od togas ako me prasa kaj odam jas mu velam odam vo Hanburg i nemam problem. Do den denes se fasisti krvavi
@@d1shiesty321 actually we do, the ancient Macedons called the general of the army/military Chelnik, we use that word to this day (Gradonachalnik =mayor/ Nachalnik depending on the context etc)
Bravo John. We are Macedonians 3000 Year History For Aristotle Alexander Homer Hercules Olympia etc. Yes We are Macedonians Not slavs. Not slavs. Slavs conquered Makedonija And destroyed our Ancient original Macedonian (Greek) alphabet language cultural architecture civilization. We are Macedonians, We are Little Similar to Ancients greeks --- But We are Macedonians. And especially, We are not slavs. Alexander Aristotle Never Used Word Slav.
Mr John bitove is the greatest macedonian patriot of all time!he was also a great businessman!foussias is not a real Greek!he’s a prosfiga/pontio from Asia Minor!
Manifesto from the Provisional Government of Macedonia - 1881. President, Vasil Chomo Secretary, Nikola Trajkov. "'our beloved fatherland is calling to you my faithful children you descendants of Aristotle and Alexander the great you and whose veins flow Macedonian blood." -- this means that we are Macedonian descendants of Aristotle and Alexander. They were not Slavs -- they were Macedonians = We are Macedonians, not Slavs. Please stop this Slavic Communist propaganda For us Macedonians.
Indeed Alexander was Macedonian. Leonidas was Spartan, Pericles was Athenian. All of them were GREEK tribes as well as Corinthians, Thespians, Mycenaeans all those great Hellenes created the glorious history of Greece. It is worldwide known that Alexander is considered Greek as he come from a tribe of Greeks, Macedonians. All those kingdoms were called city-states and they are recognized as modern Greece. You have nothing to do with them, you are Slavs who came to the region centuries after his death. As every communist regime has its propaganda, Tito bombarded you with false facts that because you inhabit a tiny bit of the ancient Macedonian kingdom that makes you descendants of ancient Macedonians.... thats plain bullshit mate. You speak a slav dialect you call "Macedonian" and your names and surnames are the same as the rest of the slavs. If you are Macedonians then all Bulgarians are also Macedonians, since you can understand each other. Dont fool yourselves, you all know you are totally irrelevant with Alexander. He spoke the Greek language, believed in Greek gods, took part on the Olympics (only Greeks were allowed), his teacher was the famous Greek Aristotle, his mother Olympia and father Philipos were 100% Greeks. In Greek dialect 'Philos' means friend and 'Ippos' means horse Phillipos means the one who handles horses well. We understand ALL names of Macedonian kings and personalities. HOW CAN YOU SAY THAT ANCIENT MACEDONIANS WERE NOT GREEKS BUT SLAVS ? ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MINDS ?
That's your problem. Macedonia was monarchy, Athens wasn't, and find ancient Greek writings they all hate Macedonia, those are barbarians, those people are not Greeks, not speaking Greeks, 4000 years of not wanting nothing to do with mkd. But since 1912. 1913 Greek change theirs opinion, now mkd is Greek, wow who's using propaganda and self interest, read yours history, no Macedonian was ever greek
""....Macedonians could not be Greek. They were not Greek by origin, customs nor by characteristics.Their rulers did not have anything hellenic . Their history was similar with one of the Illyrian, Trace, and Peonic population, with whom they bordered in Belomorska Macedonia, but not with the history of Hellenic city-states...." (Arthur de Cobineau, Histoire des Perses, Paris, 1870p.76)
that's th opinion of one peson reffering to people from 2500 years back. the later historic and archeologic findings proved him wrong. the guy formed an opinion before even Pela was excavated, is that your case ???? really????
Manifesto from the Provisional Government of Macedonia - 1881. President, Vasil Chomo Secretary, Nikola Trajkov. "'our beloved fatherland is calling to you my faithful children you descendants of Aristotle and Alexander the great you and whose veins flow Macedonian blood." -- this means that we are Macedonian descendants of Aristotle and Alexander. They were not Slavs -- they were Macedonians = We are Macedonians, not Slavs. Please stop this Slavic Communist propaganda For us Macedonians.
@@macedonia3321 as i already wrote, archeological findings , Pella for example ,prove beyond any discussion , macedonians were hellenes, anyone who claims otherwise 2000 years later has no clue about history, sorry your claims simply don't have any proof, backing them up with speeches and unproven imaginary theories won't cut it in the real world
With all due respect Mr. Bitove Sr. you just undressed yourself and your people when you said "Slavic" labguage, you are Slavophones (Bulgarians} and have no connection and relation to Macedonia and the rest of Greece apart for the fact you have lived there.
Manifesto from the Provisional Government of Macedonia - 1881. President, Vasil Chomo Secretary, Nikola Trajkov. "'our beloved fatherland is calling to you my faithful children you descendants of Aristotle and Alexander the great you and whose veins flow Macedonian blood." -- this means that we are Macedonian descendants of Aristotle and Alexander. They were not Slavs -- they were Macedonians = We are Macedonians, not Slavs. Please stop this Slavic Communist propaganda For us Macedonians.
Alexander the Great Macedonian showed the athenians what a Macedonian sword looked liked after they called him a barberian that wasn't even fit to be a slave. He showed them how fit a young Macedonian king was. God bless the late John Betove. Amen.
@@svetlanakostadinova5026 Let's just keep it simple forget about if Alexander the Great was Greek or not even though his mother was GREEK, but forget about it for just 1 minute let's look at any college professor whether he be from Canada, America, South America, Mexico, England, Germany, Japan, India, ETC., whatever show me 1 COLLEGE PROFESSOR that states that the ancient Macedonians are related or are the ancestors of the current Slavic Macedonians YOU will NOT find one if I'm wrong show me 1 please don't show me some slavic professor. I am looking for a third party particularly an Asian Professor like 1 from Japan or India.
Bobi nestoroski Macedon rip sir bitov look at the Greek trying as hard as he can to try and keep a straight face creating nonsense fact with a guilty face
You dint liberate Macedonia you occupied and carry genocide of the population as a fascist state When greeks come to Macedonian people pray for the ottomans return. I was i Greece in 19, it was prohibited by fine to speak their language i was there for 11 months and not allowed to matching the ward M
Mister Fusios Greek professor. I think u don't even know your history. Let me tell you When it first become Greece. Australia already got 2 century and Greece they thy haven it is a fact. You cam and talk to me abot greeck history and I will put you in a bottle of agony since I know the back bone of greek histori. Sinc you don't even now your family and talk about Macedonia. Filip Whay he was imprisoned in Delphi and you talk that we got some ting in common and you threthemn Macedonia. Just rememba Kozani becous you will be skinet Kozani
Bravo John. We are Macedonians 3000 Year History For Aristotle Alexander Homer Hercules Olympia etc. Yes We are Macedonians Not slavs. Not slavs. Slavs conquered Makedonija And destroyed our Ancient original Macedonian (Greek) alphabet language cultural architecture civilization. We are Macedonians, We are Little Similar to Ancients greeks --- But We are Macedonians. And especially, We are not slavs. Alexander Aristotle Never Used Word Slav.
John Bitove deserves to be remembered as a LEGEND ❤❤
Amen
Manifesto from the Provisional Government of Macedonia - 1881.
President, Vasil Chomo
Secretary, Nikola Trajkov.
"'our beloved fatherland is calling to you my faithful children you descendants of Aristotle and Alexander the great you and whose veins flow Macedonian blood."
-- this means that we are Macedonian descendants of Aristotle and Alexander.
They were not Slavs -- they were Macedonians = We are Macedonians, not Slavs.
Please stop this Slavic Communist propaganda For us Macedonians.
@@boskomarkoski1503 Amin*
so in 1830 when king otto of bavaria united the hellenic tribes why didn't they choose the name macedonia
mr john bitove speaks the truth with pride and emotion
@NMT NMT keep dreaming... grikk
@NMT NMT read again my name genius, is that sounding slavic to your ears?!!
Hey fake portogull does it suck to be bulgarian in denial ?
@@ΒανιαςΒανιοσοβgrego vai dar banho ao cão que é a única coisa que sabes fazer...
@NMT NMT u are genius a true Sherlock Holmes...
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GREAT SPEECH FULL OF FACTS BY MR.JOHN BITOVE
Manifesto from the Provisional Government of Macedonia - 1881.
President, Vasil Chomo
Secretary, Nikola Trajkov.
"'our beloved fatherland is calling to you my faithful children you descendants of Aristotle and Alexander the great you and whose veins flow Macedonian blood."
-- this means that we are Macedonian descendants of Aristotle and Alexander.
They were not Slavs -- they were Macedonians = We are Macedonians, not Slavs.
Please stop this Slavic Communist propaganda For us Macedonians.
John Bitove macedonian legand RIP...
Bulgarian*
Long live MACEDONIA! Bitov's legacy will live forever!
Pozeetronic Design what legacy haha he didn't even know what he was saying he has a Bulgarian last name haha confused old man
ridiculous person. he is talking and he is laughing cause he knows he is trying to lie. haha! And with his arguments only idiots can be convinced. Canada is a very large country. Befor it was this country there was many smaller parts. So somebody who is born in Quebec in Canada can say I am not a Canadian but an Quebecian? Alexander United Greece and spread Hellenismus and Greek culture not the Skopian.
Manifesto from the Provisional Government of Macedonia - 1881.
President, Vasil Chomo
Secretary, Nikola Trajkov.
"'our beloved fatherland is calling to you my faithful children you descendants of Aristotle and Alexander the great you and whose veins flow Macedonian blood."
-- this means that we are Macedonian descendants of Aristotle and Alexander.
They were not Slavs -- they were Macedonians = We are Macedonians, not Slavs.
Please stop this Slavic Communist propaganda For us Macedonians.
Why were the Macedonians styled as "Greeks" in the 19th Century?
As the ancients knew well that the Macedonians were not Greeks but a distinct nation, and as the overwhelming evidence shows that the Macedonians did not regard themselves as Greeks, nor were regarded as Greeks by the Greeks, the question must be asked - why would some 19th century western writers (full 20 centuries after the end of the Macedonian kingdom), make a 180 degree bold move to consider the Macedonians as "Greeks"? The answer of this question reveals two main reasons for it: 1) Personal political motivations, and 2) Lack of sufficient ancient evidence at the time.
Late nineteenth and early twentieth century western historians who were inamorata with anything Greek, and saw ancient Greece as the cradle of the Western civilization, could not possibly imagine that uncouth and brute people like the ancient Macedonians could topple the Greek states (specifically Athens) and build an empire of the likes that Europe has not seen yet. They regarded Philip II of Macedon and his Macedonians as destroyer of "Greek spirit and culture", as people who extinguished the flame from the Athenian glory. Athens in particular, and the rest of the Greek city-states in general, were culturally and physically exhausted. Hogarth says that they suffered from "premature senility", incapable of growth and re-organization of its citizenry. The enthusiasm for Hellas in a cultivated modern age, and the romanticism with Greek art and culture, created an atmosphere of hatred for the person and the people (Philip and his Macedonians) who destroyed Greek autonomy. In the backdrop of such a poisonous milieu, the ancient Macedonians "could not possibly be perceived as masters of the world", for if anybody should achieve such a supreme act, they must be Greek. These people could not accept the fact that the organism in the Greek city-state, as they have come to know and appreciate, no longer breathed any signs of life, and that the Macedonians as a non-Greek nation possessed power, discipline, and inner strength to conquer not only the Greeks but the Persians too. Thus, subsequent reference to ancient Macedonians as Greeks should not come to a great surprise.
Having this in mind, some 19th century western historians, specifically German historians led by J. Droysen, saw parallelism between events which occurred in Greece and Macedonia 22 centuries ago, with those in Prussia and Germany. The 19th century is the birth of nationalism in Europe, and as Italy was unifying, Prussia was the advocate of the German unification. Therefore for the German writers:
· When Philip II and his Macedonians conquered the Greeks after Chaeronea it was not a conquest but a "unification of Greece" (contrary to all ancient sources).
· When Alexander the Great invaded Asia, it was the "Greek conquest and vengeance", not the Macedonian plan for action (contrary for all sources that point that the Greeks played no role in the conquest and that Alexander fought for the glory of Macedonia).
· When the Macedonian Army conquered territories from Greece to India, it was the "Greek Empire" that received the recognition, not the Macedonian Empire (although Alexander's empire had never been called Greek in any ancient source, but specifically Macedonian).
· More modern inventions were added - that with the conquest of Asia the "Greeks were spreading Hellenism", and that the Macedonian kingdoms after Alexander, (which were ruled till their end by Macedonians, not by Greeks), were "Hellenistic kingdoms", and so on, and so on...
Those western historians from the modern age (the ones following J. Droysen), by denying Philip and his Macedonians the merit that they so rightfully deserve, have simply ignored the writings of the ancient biographers and chroniclers. However, even with this occasional omission on their part, the inevitable recognition of Macedonians as a separate people from the Greeks does occur nevertheless in their very own works. Professor Eugene Borzawho is credited as "Macedonian specialist" by the American Philological Association, and who has done extensive studies regarding the ethnicity of the ancient Macedonians, had also presented in-depth analysis on this "Greek position" which claims that the ancient Macedonians were Greek. In his In the Shadow of Olympus, The Emergence of Macedon (p.91-92) he writes:
"Thus, long before there was a sufficient ancient evidence to argue about the ethnic identity--as revealed by language--of the ancient Macedonians, there emerged a "Greek" position claiming that the Macedonian language was Greek, and that thus the inhabitants were Greek."
The 19th century western writers, including J. Droysen, have therefore, developed a position that the Macedonians were Greek and invented the words Helenism and Hellenistic, long before there was sufficient ancient evidence to argue about their ethnicity. But today modern historiography had long abandoned this prematurely established "Greek" position and returned to consider the Macedonians as distinct nation just like the ancients did. The whole revisionist movement launched against the false historical interpretations and led by historians Ernst Badian from Harvard University, Borza, Bosworth, Green, and Jouguet and Hogarth and others before them, finally put an end to the historical inaccuracies and proved once for all that the Macedonians were not Greeks, did not consider themselves as Greeks, but were a proud distinct nation who kept the Greeks enslaved for centuries.
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Greece has no right in demanding a name change of Republic of Macedonia and also the Veto against Macedonia entering the EU unless the name is changed....Considering the geographical position of Republic of Macedonia located on the exact position of ancient Macedonia and the ancient history in detail clearly stands against the claims that Greece makes.....Negotiations about the name Macedonia should stop as this demand is way out of order and should not be considered...
No that's where you're wrong my father is what is called a Pontiac Greek or Black Sea Greek the Black Sea Greeks have their own language it is a form of Greek if you take a Greek man from Athens and you take him into a Pontiac Village and he listens to what is called Pontiaka or Black Sea Greek he will not be able to understand it. Maybe 50% or 60% understand it just like the Greeks of Cyprus and the Greeks of Crete they have their own language the macedonians ancient macedonies that is were able to participate in the Olympic Games because they were able to prove that the lineage from Argos Argos is the area in southern Greece Peleponese Alexander the Great spread Hellenistic culture throughout the world why didn't he spread the so-called Macedonian culture on TH-cam you can listen to the Pellan dialect. When I listen to it it doesn't sound Slavic at all in fact I recognize a great portion of it and I only speak the modern Greek so at the end of the day from Outsiders who don't understand Greeks or when they see the ancient Greeks denying that the the ancient macedonians were Greek they don't understand there's a lot of infighting Greeks are very clannish people however you have Herodotus as well as strabo and many other Greeks of that time of that era confirming that the ancient macedonians war of the Hellenistic stock now that being said once again an outsider when they they see how the evidence of Macedonian speaking a different language and the Greeks from the south don't understand hear what you must understand almost every Greek city-state had its own language and it wasn't till Alexander the Great made it where all the Greeks have to speak the Greek that is spoken in Attica AKA Athens so in fact he unified us and then when before he conquered the Persians he was voted by Pan Hellenic group Coalition for him to lead against the Persians member Alexander the Great stated many times that his father was Zeus himself and that Hercules he used that name Hercules for his son so the macedonians worship Greek gods they went to Delphi for how much Alexander the Great make coins in Greek he spread Greek culture but yet you say he wasn't Greek but one thing's for sure even BORZA are and other so-called specialist that shall keep parading that says that that say that the macedonians the ancient macedonians were not Greek here's one thing that is Unified on both Mr borza and all the others you point out like Peter Green they all stayed that the Slavic macedonians have nothing to do with Alexander the Great nor the ancient Macedonian people in fact look up Mr borza on Wikipedia scroll down and you'll see that he doubted the Slavic Macedonian claims and this is the guy that y'all go to or you'll point out as the number one guy to debunk all the great claims. But let's look at what other people called Alexander the Great and the ancient macedonians the Persians called the ancient macedonians Greeks with funny hats that is the fact you have Outsiders of Greece calling the ancient macedonians Greek so there's this every one person that you may see that you may throw up and say hey this person said this and this I can give you 10 that could confirm that they were Greek remember Herodotus is the first historian and he classifies them as Greek of course ancient macedonians had their own customs same thing with the Pontiac Greeks or AKA Black Sea Greeks same thing with the Cypriot Greeks. Even the Greeks today are clannish 100 years ago when Greeks were coming from turkey and they're being kicked out of the Greeks from the mainland were saying they weren't true Greeks so this is how my people are so when you have Demostenes attacking Philip II this in front of my eyes and any other Greek is coming this is what Greeks do they shoot each other in the foot but an outsider does not understand this but one thing we can agree upon the current macedonians have nothing to do with the ancient macedonians and I challenge you to show me one college professor whether he be from England or China or Japan or India or whatever you show me one that states the Slavic macedonians of today are the descendants of Alexander the Great and the ancient macedonians you won't find one.
Watched this again years later, damn Bitov ruined this gyro man, and i still cant stop lauging that the greek guy said that Gligorov was on the side of hitler in ww2
Macedonia - Cradle of Culture, Land of Nature, Apostle of the Bible, Source of Civilization!
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Eternal and United❤️🇲🇰👌
All the details are in this video.
Long live Macedonia and Macedonians.☀️🇲🇰☀️🇲🇰☀️
You look Albanian
BRING DNA INTO THE GAME , AND MACEDONIA IS 100 % WINNER , YOU SMART WORLD LEADERS , IT IS YOUR TURN TO DO THE RIGHT THING
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That would settle it once and for all.
@@SpartanLeonidas1821 no we are direct descendant of macedonians
Manifesto from the Provisional Government of Macedonia - 1881.
President, Vasil Chomo
Secretary, Nikola Trajkov.
"'our beloved fatherland is calling to you my faithful children you descendants of Aristotle and Alexander the great you and whose veins flow Macedonian blood."
-- this means that we are Macedonian descendants of Aristotle and Alexander.
They were not Slavs -- they were Macedonians = We are Macedonians, not Slavs.
Please stop this Slavic Communist propaganda For us Macedonians.
@@pg_makedon_2960 Сънувай
What an individual, John Bitove The great Macedonian
Manifesto from the Provisional Government of Macedonia - 1881.
President, Vasil Chomo
Secretary, Nikola Trajkov.
"'our beloved fatherland is calling to you my faithful children you descendants of Aristotle and Alexander the great you and whose veins flow Macedonian blood."
-- this means that we are Macedonian descendants of Aristotle and Alexander.
They were not Slavs -- they were Macedonians = We are Macedonians, not Slavs.
Please stop this Slavic Communist propaganda For us Macedonians.
MACEDONIA UNITED cradle of holiness,democracy, culture and history.☀️☀️☀️🇲🇰.
Triumphant Powerful Golden Kingdom of MACEDONIA 🔆🔆🔆
Manifesto from the Provisional Government of Macedonia - 1881.
President, Vasil Chomo
Secretary, Nikola Trajkov.
"'our beloved fatherland is calling to you my faithful children you descendants of Aristotle and Alexander the great you and whose veins flow Macedonian blood."
-- this means that we are Macedonian descendants of Aristotle and Alexander.
They were not Slavs -- they were Macedonians = We are Macedonians, not Slavs.
Please stop this Slavic Communist propaganda For us Macedonians.
Falsios falsely accused gligirov of fighting on hitlers side. This is a reflection of the credibility of his words
Thank you for telling the world about the Greek lies!
Miserable fail for the representative from the country formerly known as Morea. 👎
Bravo Mr Bitove. 👍
Greece as country was form by England 1820 so it is only 200 years old country but they are claiming 4000 thousands years of history. They never used the the name Macedonia or the Macedonian flag (have you seen any Greek demonstrating with Macedonian flag?) Since 1820 they change about 20 flags(check it out) Also all there kings where from Austria Germany Holland Italy. And all of kings where kicked out of Greece because none of the kings had Greek blood. Lots of Greeks know this. Thank you.
yet they speak the language of alexander and his forefathers , use the same alphabet , can read and understand what thousands of historic proof was found .THE very names of their past mean something in the greek language .greeks were never a singe country but have been a single ethnicity for thousands of years dont get confused
What to correct, Macedonians used force and false pedigree to be part of the olimpics, and second if you free your brothers and sisters, why you made them change their names, why change names of towns, why killed those who didn't want to change that, and why you bring half a million people to settle those "Greeks" lands, if they were Greeks they will still be there Greeks, you didn't had to populate those lands. And exile those who lived there
how can you prove that macedonians used false pedigree ? thats propaganda .greeks didi not change names of places they just started using the preexisting ones ,the ones that otoman empire changed to erase former memory.after liberating macedonia the names were simply restored .
after the balkan and 1 world war there was a population exchange .i have relative families that were living in bitola and were relocated just as slavs were taken away from greek soil .
i am tying to understand your point of view .all i see is propaganda
Greece is an Artificial state!
The London Conference of 1832, result of this became The Kingdom of Greece; First Greek King was Prince of Germany Otto of Bavaria (1832 - 1862)
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The first President of Greece was an Albanian who could not speak a word of modern Greek.
Georgios Kountouriotis
Γεώργιος Κουντουριώτης
(1782 - 1858)
🇲🇰Do not try to steal our history🇲🇰
Македонија на Македонците👌
Let the Archaeologists and scholars debate this issue!!! The evidence and truth is buried in the ground and cannot be falsified!!! No need for anyone's history books!
DNA proved that those from Athens have ethiopian dna. Nothing wrong..but true.
@iu5eak47 if you want to go on a DNA test you'll find out that you're slavs. Please go on
@@drasticchanges5082 Damn, I didn't know that all of Greece is "Athens" (and no, they don't have "eithiopian" DNA)
MACEDONIA FOR THE MACEDONIANS WHO SPEAK THE MACEDONIAN LANGUAGE :)
yeah...Greek as it always has been!!!
Greeks are all Turks🖕🏻
@@stavros19743 you mean Phoenician gypsies?
Bucharest Agreement - signed on August 10, 1913. between the warring parties in the Second Balkan War: Serbia, Montenegro, Romania and Greece on the one hand and Bulgaria on the other.
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With the Bucharest "peace" agreement, Macedonia was divided as follows:
* The Aegean part, with an area of 34,356 km2 was occupied by Greece,
* The Vardar part with an area of 25,342 km2 was occupied by Serbia,
* The Pirin part with 6,798 km2 occupied Bulgaria and
* The southern shore of Lake Ohrid - Mala Prespa with 1,115 km2 and were assigned to Albania.
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The importance of that catastrophic agreement for Makedonika expired in 2003. Now the occupied parts must be united in a united Macedonia within the borders as before 1913. that is why we need a real Macedonian leader who will coordinate us all Macedonians from the parts; The Aegean, Pirin, Vardar and Mala Prespa with Golo Brdo in a united Macedonia.
Macedonia eternal and united❤️🇲🇰👌
SALONICAE = Sa Lo Ni CaE = SLNCE = SUN (THIS IS TRANSLATION FROM MACEDONIAN LANGUAGE, NOT GREEK)
You can’t steal to what’s in your heart
Clown
@@HeroManNick132 Foussias absolutely
Thanks John I'm proud that I'm Makedonec and there are proud Macedonians and we can stand there with a proud culture. Not only that We are the source of the Kirilic Analfabet since Greeks changed few letters since Isocrat had the problem with that. Even to the neighbours we give to them analphabetic knowledge and they also like the geckos want of Makedonia. Makedonia for Makedonians.
Manifesto from the Provisional Government of Macedonia - 1881.
President, Vasil Chomo
Secretary, Nikola Trajkov.
"'our beloved fatherland is calling to you my faithful children you descendants of Aristotle and Alexander the great you and whose veins flow Macedonian blood."
-- this means that we are Macedonian descendants of Aristotle and Alexander.
They were not Slavs -- they were Macedonians = We are Macedonians, not Slavs.
Please stop this Slavic Communist propaganda For us Macedonians.
Propaganda
In the 19th century, the great powers began to show interest in the Balkans. With the revolt of the Greeks in 1821, Europe became philhellene, driven by romanticism. This interest, initially literary and romantic, turned into a historical and geopolitical argument and became the basis of the ideology of Western colonization.
To justify the superiority of their "white race" in their work of colonization, the Westerners (especially the Germans) chose as the ancestors of the cities the Hellenes, for classical culture, and the Macedonians for their conquests of the ancient known world, giving them the generic name of the Greeks.
It was in this sense that the Prussian Johann Gustav Droysen, concerned about the problems of German unification, reconstructed the history of the ancient history of the southern Balkans, which he later called the "History of Hellenism". and then confused the two.
Instead of appropriately calling the period after Alexander the Great the Macedonian period," he chose to call it the "Hellenistic period," effectively depriving the Greeks of their African roots.
When was this debatte? Year?
Whatever Greeks are claiming is simply untrue, falsified or pre-written. The truth is that people were living in this region for tens of thousands of years as for example, the Indians, people which Christopher Columbus 'discovered' in America .. It is known that Macedonia, in the ancient times, was the first established state in the world, with its own administration,army etc and most probably if not surely with its own language.. . And it is also known that it was formed 200 years before Athens and 800 years before Rome. I suggest to all Greeks to not only read their fairly tales but read the unbiased sources.
unbiased sources ???? like the ones that write of alexanders love of greek mythology , grek gods , greek ejucation , greek language . The guy started an expedition to avenge persians for invading greece .what part of all this do not proove his greek origin
@@kalathasl terms like greek/greece were not known in the time of Alexander, even Philip the 5th asked the Roman general Flaminininus in his letter, 'what is this Greece you want me to evacuate and how do you define greece'! 🙂
Meaning, Alexander admired PELASGIAN history. And Olymp, the Panteon was on Macedonian territory.
@@user-yz6ec6ou5s how could he not make such a question , since greece is a name given to us by romans.originating from a near rome hellenic population that they referred to as greci.Philip wouldn't have known that by the time ,as any other hellin .we dont refer ourselves as greeks only as hellenes .our current democracy from its start is called hellenic the country hellas .The name greece or greeks is for foreigners only ,it has been for 200 years now.We simply don't mind like the germas who dont call themselves germans in germay .Get it ?
So Philip as any other "greek" or hellin would have the same question
@@kalathasl you are close to the point, greeks were population that spoke language that native Pelasgians could not understand, they were migrants. Probably Danai or Egyptians. Macedonians and Elines were relatives and they spoke same language only different dialects. And it is confirmed that the Pelasgian language was slavophone language. Today's Greek language is not the same as this language which they spoke. Today's Greek language is an artificial language and it's made from the ancient koine language which was an esperanto language, lingua franca language made for trading purposes around the Mediterranean.
@@user-yz6ec6ou5s you are so wrong, greeks were hellenes settled in today italy ,the did not refere to themselves as greeks since the roman named them this way.their langage survives even today (visit cicily and the area of magna grecia as they call it )and i as any other hellin can understand ,same language different dialect. So spare me with the propaganda i have living proof .pelasgian from the hellelic or greek (the same nowadays) Πελασγός have nothing to do with slavs (great culture by the way ).the slavs didn't exit until 1000 years later. Repeating 1000 years later .Any effort of relating those 2 comes from modern propaganda and has no archeological findings. CAN YOU SPEAK PELASGIAN.Modern hellenic language has a proven (by written textures)continuation through the ages .The funny thing is that if we had a time macine i would be able to converse with alexander the great ,what would you do use your hands?Even if you did ,what would you tell him ,that he was no greek ?you would have met his sword and fury like the rest of the barberians .
Risently i visited Greece. on the border, the polisman ask me ;where do you go, i sayed Makedonija , in retun he sayed in greek Makedonia ine edo{i sayd yes ta ine]jas bev vo grcia 11meseci vo 1962 godina kako begalec, i znam nesto grki , togas jas rekov oti odam vo Makedonia toj mi veli mMakedonia e ovde nazad, a jas odgovoriv da ce bide. mi go zede Australiskiot pasapord me drza 5 sati na granica,togas jas e telefonirav Australiskata Ambasada vo Atina polse kratko vrem me pusti. Od togas ako me prasa kaj odam jas mu velam odam vo Hanburg i nemam problem. Do den denes se fasisti krvavi
is this even a debate???
Yes its a fact
explain the villiages in Agean macedonia speaking macedonian? they are macedonian so is the land, MAKEDONIJA ZA MAKEDONCITE
Bruh modern macedonian isn't even connect to ancient macedonian explain that
@@d1shiesty321 actually we do, the ancient Macedons called the general of the army/military Chelnik, we use that word to this day (Gradonachalnik =mayor/ Nachalnik depending on the context etc)
Bravo John.
We are Macedonians 3000 Year History For Aristotle Alexander Homer Hercules Olympia etc.
Yes We are Macedonians Not slavs. Not slavs.
Slavs conquered Makedonija And destroyed our Ancient original Macedonian (Greek) alphabet language cultural architecture civilization.
We are Macedonians, We are Little Similar to Ancients greeks --- But We are Macedonians. And especially, We are not slavs.
Alexander Aristotle Never Used Word Slav.
This guy called us as Macedonians” terrorists” lol
How do you believe in humanity foussais when you are not even human.
Black Tengu
Bark bark
So you are claiming that if an elk lives in wolf territory, will born a wolf?
you are realy moron ha,ha,ha !
Mr John bitove is the greatest macedonian patriot of all time!he was also a great businessman!foussias is not a real Greek!he’s a prosfiga/pontio from Asia Minor!
Greece had colonies even in France.. So ignorant...
@@antikokalis and greece had colonies in Canada!keep dreaming mr.pontio!
U speak the truth let the workd no tbe tryth tbank u.
Manifesto from the Provisional Government of Macedonia - 1881.
President, Vasil Chomo
Secretary, Nikola Trajkov.
"'our beloved fatherland is calling to you my faithful children you descendants of Aristotle and Alexander the great you and whose veins flow Macedonian blood."
-- this means that we are Macedonian descendants of Aristotle and Alexander.
They were not Slavs -- they were Macedonians = We are Macedonians, not Slavs.
Please stop this Slavic Communist propaganda For us Macedonians.
Bitove sounds like a politician.
Indeed Alexander was Macedonian. Leonidas was Spartan, Pericles was Athenian. All of them were GREEK tribes as well as Corinthians, Thespians, Mycenaeans all those great Hellenes created the glorious history of Greece. It is worldwide known that Alexander is considered Greek as he come from a tribe of Greeks, Macedonians. All those kingdoms were called city-states and they are recognized as modern Greece. You have nothing to do with them, you are Slavs who came to the region centuries after his death. As every communist regime has its propaganda, Tito bombarded you with false facts that because you inhabit a tiny bit of the ancient Macedonian kingdom that makes you descendants of ancient Macedonians.... thats plain bullshit mate. You speak a slav dialect you call "Macedonian" and your names and surnames are the same as the rest of the slavs. If you are Macedonians then all Bulgarians are also Macedonians, since you can understand each other. Dont fool yourselves, you all know you are totally irrelevant with Alexander. He spoke the Greek language, believed in Greek gods, took part on the Olympics (only Greeks were allowed), his teacher was the famous Greek Aristotle, his mother Olympia and father Philipos were 100% Greeks. In Greek dialect 'Philos' means friend and 'Ippos' means horse Phillipos means the one who handles horses well. We understand ALL names of Macedonian kings and personalities. HOW CAN YOU SAY THAT ANCIENT MACEDONIANS WERE NOT GREEKS BUT SLAVS ? ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MINDS ?
That's your problem. Macedonia was monarchy, Athens wasn't, and find ancient Greek writings they all hate Macedonia, those are barbarians, those people are not Greeks, not speaking Greeks, 4000 years of not wanting nothing to do with mkd. But since 1912. 1913 Greek change theirs opinion, now mkd is Greek, wow who's using propaganda and self interest, read yours history, no Macedonian was ever greek
Greeks like our history im. Proud :D
No Athens was a monarch and then it became a democracy I think you need to read a little bit more
Dr Fousios is deluded.
""....Macedonians could not be Greek. They were not Greek by origin, customs nor by characteristics.Their rulers did not have anything hellenic . Their history was similar with one of the Illyrian, Trace, and Peonic population, with whom they bordered in Belomorska Macedonia, but not with the history of Hellenic city-states...."
(Arthur de Cobineau, Histoire des Perses, Paris, 1870p.76)
that's th opinion of one peson reffering to people from 2500 years back. the later historic and archeologic findings proved him wrong. the guy formed an opinion before even Pela was excavated, is that your case ???? really????
Manifesto from the Provisional Government of Macedonia - 1881.
President, Vasil Chomo
Secretary, Nikola Trajkov.
"'our beloved fatherland is calling to you my faithful children you descendants of Aristotle and Alexander the great you and whose veins flow Macedonian blood."
-- this means that we are Macedonian descendants of Aristotle and Alexander.
They were not Slavs -- they were Macedonians = We are Macedonians, not Slavs.
Please stop this Slavic Communist propaganda For us Macedonians.
@@macedonia3321 as i already wrote, archeological findings , Pella for example ,prove beyond any discussion , macedonians were hellenes, anyone who claims otherwise 2000 years later has no clue about history, sorry your claims simply don't have any proof, backing them up with speeches and unproven imaginary theories won't cut it in the real world
Politics as usual
With all due respect Mr. Bitove Sr. you just undressed yourself and your people when you said "Slavic" labguage, you are Slavophones (Bulgarians} and have no connection and relation to Macedonia and the rest of Greece apart for the fact you have lived there.
Bravo magnificent person and he deserves total respect from Macedonian people.
Manifesto from the Provisional Government of Macedonia - 1881.
President, Vasil Chomo
Secretary, Nikola Trajkov.
"'our beloved fatherland is calling to you my faithful children you descendants of Aristotle and Alexander the great you and whose veins flow Macedonian blood."
-- this means that we are Macedonian descendants of Aristotle and Alexander.
They were not Slavs -- they were Macedonians = We are Macedonians, not Slavs.
Please stop this Slavic Communist propaganda For us Macedonians.
Ти си българка!
Alexander the Great Macedonian showed the athenians what a Macedonian sword looked liked after they called him a barberian that wasn't even fit to be a slave. He showed them how fit a young Macedonian king was. God bless the late John Betove. Amen.
@@SpartanLeonidas1821 go pay your respects to your Turkish great grandfather & your Albanian great grandmother bre hellunatic hell ass.
@@boskomarkoski1503 go back to Bulgaria goose
@@thomaszioudros181 go back to Turkey or albania
@@boskomarkoski1503 Macedonia is in GREECE always has been in Greece
Not really. Macedonia had it's own kingdom
Bulgarian
I am from Macedonia in Greece and speak Hellenic Macedonia is in GREECE not Vardaska were Skopje is bunch of liars
From Macedonia stolen by greeks?
@@svetlanakostadinova5026 Let's just keep it simple forget about if Alexander the Great was Greek or not even though his mother was GREEK, but forget about it for just 1 minute let's look at any college professor whether he be from Canada, America, South America, Mexico, England, Germany, Japan, India, ETC., whatever show me 1 COLLEGE PROFESSOR that states that the ancient Macedonians are related or are the ancestors of the current Slavic Macedonians YOU will NOT find one if I'm wrong show me 1 please don't show me some slavic professor. I am looking for a third party particularly an Asian Professor like 1 from Japan or India.
Macedonia is Greek
Yes Macedonia did conquer all of Hellas you're right you're just gypsies living on our land.
Only in greek dream 😂
@@svetlanakostadinova5026 Ти си българка
Greece wins.
Alkimahos only in video games
Bobi nestoroski Macedon rip sir bitov look at the Greek trying as hard as he can to try and keep a straight face creating nonsense fact with a guilty face
You dint liberate Macedonia you occupied and carry genocide of the population as a fascist state When greeks come to Macedonian people pray for the ottomans return. I was i Greece in 19, it was prohibited by fine to speak their language i was there for 11 months and not allowed to matching the ward M
Mister Fusios Greek professor. I think u don't even know your history. Let me tell you When it first become Greece. Australia already got 2 century and Greece they thy haven it is a fact. You cam and talk to me abot greeck history and I will put you in a bottle of agony since I know the back bone of greek histori. Sinc you don't even now your family and talk about Macedonia. Filip Whay he was imprisoned in Delphi and you talk that we got some ting in common and you threthemn Macedonia. Just rememba Kozani becous you will be skinet Kozani
What makes you an expert I know you are an expert bullshit artists that's all you people are
Bravo John.
We are Macedonians 3000 Year History For Aristotle Alexander Homer Hercules Olympia etc.
Yes We are Macedonians Not slavs. Not slavs.
Slavs conquered Makedonija And destroyed our Ancient original Macedonian (Greek) alphabet language cultural architecture civilization.
We are Macedonians, We are Little Similar to Ancients greeks --- But We are Macedonians. And especially, We are not slavs.
Alexander Aristotle Never Used Word Slav.