Helical Machining: Rifling with the Norris Chuck (TIS094)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 ต.ค. 2024
- The Idahoan demonstrates his so-called "Norris Chuck," a device that facilitates machining helical surfaces on cylindrical work pieces, by making a rifling button and driving it through a piece of DOM tubing to make a barrel blank.
Great video. It is so refreshing to find a presenter that doesn't repeat himself endlessly - making a six minute video go 30 minutes long. Thanks!!
Great job. Working myself in the machine tool business for over 30 years and always appreciate to see great solutions!
Oh my goodness... If someone like Mr Idahoan is able to build such a complex metalworking device he knows who Mr Morse with his tapers and also factory was and you can be sure he is just playing with words.
Well done Mr. Idahoan show.. I never saw a better homemade rifling device with such a widespread possibility of use.
I hear that Norris chuck is so strong, it actually holds the world, and spins it around the workpiece.
Love the audio improvement.
the world needs more people like you, I love your videos, keep them coming
that rifling looks absolutely beautiful. you are an artist man. also ive been looking for a setup like that for a long time for machining my own helical end mills without any CNC. thanks for making this video.
that right there is why i love youtube. it is incredible to see what people can come up with. very well done
Amazing quality and great work.
This type of video is why I'm a subscriber. The sound quality never bothered me before, but now it is more professional. Keep up the good work.
Very good idea and machining of fish. Congratulations. Angel
some mighty clean rifling! also the "Norris Chuck" is pretty novel, well done.
A unique and fascinating rifling pattern. I would suggest replacing the friction belt with a gear belt. If the friction belt slips, you mess up your spiral. And swapping out gear pulleys makes it possible to quick change twist rates.
Yes, toothed pulleys and a timing belt to give positive drive would be better.
Such an elegant (almost ironic) juxtaposition of sophisticated precision machining and that thumpy bumpy sledge hammer on an old stump. I love it. One uniquely interesting human being.
Wow your mistake with the rifling spacing looks really nice, like a signature. Beautiful.
Thank you!
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Don't use it in crime.... The forensics will pin it on you in a jiffy with thumb print rifling like this!
😂😂😂😂
@@Igotknobblies lol that's what I was thinking. They wouldn't even need one of those comparator machines they use, you could just look down the bore, look at the bullet, and go "yup this is the one".
Turned out wonderfully. I was surprised that it pounded through so uniformly helical. Love your machining equipment - great 'Norris Chuck' . Appreciated that editing you did too - made it quick while saving the coolness of the machining process in fast motion. And yes sound was much better. Thanks.
Thanks for your effort, the sound is much better indeed. Thanks for sharing your "experiments"
wow, driving the rifling button with a hammer was a crazy idea for me, but it worked pretty well! thanks for sharing!
Man I absolutely love your setup that you have on the mill with that indexer thats cool as hell ill have to get me a set up like that for my mill iv been thinking about doing something like that for awhile now. Good work keep it up look forward to see more of your work be safe
To say I'm jealous of this set up is an understatement, there is very few things you can't make with this.
Great content and the 'I can do it' approach is a breath of fresh air.
Very interesting. I've always wondered how you rifle a barrel. I really like the Norris Chuck set up.
Very creative use of the equipment. Thanks again for linking me to this.
You're welcome!
you're the exact type of person,
who made america,
the wonderful place,
it is.
Thank you! I am flattered!
molly clock ..... good one i like your attitude i would be flattered also.
good point
：）
So an immigrant, slave or native american?
Sound is much better now, thanks! And thank you for all the work you put into these videos!
El mejor video que he visto para hacer estrias manualmente. Exelente video.
Most people would go to the hardware store for a pulley. This guy makes one in less time than going to store. Kudos mate!
Sound is much better, and the rifling is beautiful
LOL, They are MORSE TAPERS AND TOOLS. Along with an indexing plate you can do anything imaginable.Man, you are rude and crude and that is why I came back and sub'd. We don't all have all the stuff after retiring eh. Well done fella. If you ever get an indexing head you will have to put a spare bunk/bed in yer shop. You will love it !
What a character, what a nice guy, what a machinist, we need more of this guy in the world.
Your shop is amazing. You are a very lucky man my friend.
Edit: interesting the high # of views....must the the Chuck Norris connection.
Excellent craftsmanship Sir.
Thank you!
I dont know how you don't have 1,000,000+ subscribers.
Man I knew Chuck Norris was tough, but this is next level!!!
Audio is a great improvement, I am in the process of building a small recording studio myself and it definitely steps up the total quality. Great video as well.
Excellent work! I'm impressed with how well the rifling came out, but you might consider revising the design of your spiral drive from using pulleys to using gears. Reason being that in the even that you get oil or grease on either the pulleys or the belt they will slip and the helical path will become irregular and unpredictable.
Good suggestion, I was thinking about belt slip also. When I built my CNC router, (video on my channel) I wanted to have the option to change ratios on the leadscrew drives, with no slip. I used cheap nylon timing belt pulleys from SDP/SI in Hyde Park, New York. Nothing in the main setup would have to change, just order the pulleys with the right size hubs in the desired ratio combinations, and pop on the timing belt.
I had a great idea that makes the expense of timing pulleys and belts unnecessary, and greatly simplifies the setup. If twist is one in 9, for example, make a pulley with circumference of 9 (pi x diameter = circumference). This pulley is attached directly to the workpiece chuck. 1/16 in steel cable is anchored to the pulley and wrapped around it the number of times needed for the length of the workpiece. The cable then goes through a idler pulley mounted to the table angled such that the cable now goes in the same direction of table travel. The end of the cable is anchored to a stationary surface. Now, as table moves forward, the cable is unspooled from the pulley that is attached to the workpiece.
This works in only one direction, of course, but a little ingenuity will lead to a cable coming off both sides of the pulley, anchored in the opposite direction as the first one.
For perfect accuracy, subtract the diameter of the cable from the diameter of the pulley.
Great work that looked like some cool rifling who know what we come up with during our experiments it’s always interesting.
If you have a patreon I would be glad to support your channel that has so much to offer
Thank you! I am indeed on Patreon.
www.patreon.com/TheIdahoanShow
i am rgsven 35yrs retired machinist...proud of you dude!
but listen....morse taper ...get
a machinist handbook.
Oops--you're right, it is a morse taper, not a morris taper that is used on drill chucks, but oh well, it still made for a comical play on words. Morse sounds a lot like 'Morris' when you say it out loud, and I guess I've heard it spoken more than I've seen it in print.
Actually, if you follow the principle of advancing the letter by one you would get a "Norse" chuck. Conjures visions of Vikings. Sort of a modern, hi tech Thor, God of Thunder, or in this case, thunder stick, replacing swords with guns. (I gotta switch to decaf.)
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That rifling like that look like it may be very accurate. Thumbs up.
Wow, thanks for Listening about the echo, I really like your videos and because of a slight hearing problem I couldnt hear anything with the echo, Love the Dubbed format. Please keep up the awesome videos.
Sounds great and the barrel is killing!
Another awesome video. I want to make an internal throttle assembly for a motorcycle build I’m doing. It needs a long helical cut on a a piece of tubing. This was the answer.😄 I’m going to start drawing up plans for my mill.
How did it go mate? I have 1968 CZ with that style of throttle. How did you do an internal cut in a tube with a mill????
A good way to drive a button with a short stroke press is to get some hardened steel dowel pins about 2" long and one size smaller diameter than the bore. Run one in all the way, then stack another on top of it, and so on till you are all the way through. I've seen buttons shatter trying to drive them with a hammer.
First video, already a subscriber; keep up the good work!
Beautiful job! Great improvement in sound quality! so stoked to see this in action
I'm currently building a similar thing to this, although I'm controlling mine using an arduino and stepper motor. It takes an input from the DRO scale and for every certain number of pulses (13 for roughly 1:16" with 5um scales and 1/32 Microsteping) it will send a pulse to the Microstep driver and stepper motor. I'll make sure to record it and upload a video of it to TH-cam.
The rifling came out so clean...
Nice job, l have very poor hearing so it is very good to hear a clear voice and excellent English. Thanks
Perfectly! Wonderful machine! Several gadgets - and you can cut small trunks with better quality right on it!
now this rifling looks damn good. so much talent.
Brilliant,,,,,simply brilliant.I have a workshop and I have often given thought to this job of rifling barrels.The use of a mill and the way you connected it to the table feed is just pure genius.Perhaps you show how to alter the system for making helical cogs?I needed a helical cog a while back and although I managed to make it work, it was in fact a dogs breakfast.The cost of getting helical cogs made is massive, real expensive. Your fantastic idea could produce these cogs very nicely.Rarely I say this,,,,,,,,,,I AM impressed
Thank you! Yes, I would think you could use a system like this to make helical gears. I will have to give that a try one of these days.
Seen several of your videos. You are very talented sir. I do have questions:1) Why do you cool the metal with an air nozzle instead of quenching it in water ? 2) What material did you use to the make the buttons ? 3) Do you think kasnite hardened mild steel quenched in water would be hard enough for a button ? THX for any replies because I know this is an old posting.
probably an air hardening tool steel like a-2
@@ronalddavis Thx for the reply. I'll have to look that up.
Damn that rifling is beautiful
Any bullet would be proud to spin it's way down that barrel.
Can't hear an echo, so much improved.
Good to see a good old Idaho boy making things with his hands
Happy to oblige!
guess you should be using timing belts with tooths instead of v belts for syncing purposes. non toothed belts are intended for power transmission and have a slip so you might lose sync between the input shaft and the output shaft.
holy, I am watching this 6 years later and came back to say the same thing just to see that I already said it, lol
Very very cool! Im super jealous and your super badass! Haha thanks for sharing !!
The best part of this video is imagining you calling a tool supplier asking for tools with a "morris" taper.
Yeah, I realized after I posted this that I had misspelled "Morse." Maybe I should have called this a "Norse Chuck" instead, but that might have been confusing, since it was made in Idaho, not Scandinavia. And in terms of the play on words, that begs the question: was there ever a viking named "Chuck Norse?"
Sound is fine :) Awesome videos! Greetings from Sweden.
I have often wondered how a barrel is rifled. Cool video.
High tech then an old hammer outside. Crazy juxtaposed weird man! Works every time.
You make it look so easy. Nice.
This is a very interesting video! Well done!
This I love! Thank you for a great video. I've always wanted to do something like that but sadly have very little creative ability.
Great video thank you for sharing, yes the audio was much better my ears thank you as well.
Can you do a more in dept video on how you figured the pulley size to time the turn. I truly love how you made this and i want to learn more. Thank you
Morse, not morris. No such thing as a Morris taper. Sorry to be "that guy". But this is really cool. Thanks for posting.
So that would make this setup a Norse Chuck.
I thought he was just doing a Chuck Norris pun.
Jay Besser He was. But it's a stretch since there's only one syllable in Morse. And jokes get less funny when you have to explain them, as he did. When that explanation labors the point that the initial term was misunderstood it really loses a lot. "Norris Chuck" is funny. The explanation of its etymology isn't.
Jon Miller he clearly said "morris taper" and "morris chuck". Listen to it carefully. It is a common error.
If only Stephen A. Morse had been Stephen A. Morris...
You are so Amazing, Scary Smart. And God Bless you Sir!!!
Thank you!
I am not sure if the lack of any reverb or the slow frame rate of the rendered video is more disturbing, but I have found in live audio recording some reverb and noise is fitting with the surrounding visual ambiance to make it sound more realistic.Also, I was thinking the reverb was a contributory stylistic effect. It is a little excessive and may be overly distracting. You could control it with some inexpensive evaporative cooler pads, burlap... spread around your recording area to break up hard flat acoustically reflective surfaces. You could be surprised with how little is needed to reduce it to an acceptable level.
How do you determine the twist rate? Just by changing some pulleys I guess? Great video and process, I wish I had the means to do the same.
"naming a chuck 'norris' just seemed appropriate somehow"
absolute legend
Good audio, it makes big difference.
That was the coolest GUN ANYTHING I’ve ever seen!!!
Impressive work, stay at it!
unreal Skills you have Sir!
At 6:05 when you began the displaying of the successful rifling, that result looked absolutely 5 Star quality!!!!! I enjoy seeing your equipment, and your descriptions are excellent. ZERO issues with the sound in this video; you should be very satisfied, as I know that I am as a subscriber! If I may inquire, are you up near Canada, in the middle latitude region, or in southern Idaho? How long of a piece of bar stock can YOU deep drill so as to make a rifle barrel? { Chuck "Norris" better be a tough piece of your kit!!! }
Thanks! I'm more or less centrally located in Idaho. As to the longest bore I can drill, that's a good question. I think the longest I've drilled out yet was about 10 inches, but I'm sure I could (and eventually will) make something longer than that.
Wow that is so impressive.
Greetings from Austria
Thank you!
Chuck Norris would approve
Add a roll pin to your bar stock to index on your chuck jaw for an accurate position for a second button. Leave them connected to cut 6 equal spaced grooves.
Nicely done. Just curious, but what twist rate did you settle on for the barrel? Hard to tell, but appeared close to 1 in 10...
Very Good Video. Now the question. HOW do you get your equipment cleaned up after you use it? Maybe you ought to make a video about that?
Sou ferramenteiro e frezador ; sem maquina e sem inteligen como voce nada funciona e nimguem aprende mais como voce parabens pela sua mente .
The shot panning around the mill was so flickery it made me feel car sick. I don't know if this is on my end or yours, but it really made me feel sick. Yes I'm pretty susceptible to motion sickness and simulator sickness, but ya know, 4 frames per second isn't a great artistic choice regardless :P
But it's a great piece of kit you made :D
what steel is that barrel made of,? is it of 4140? I would like to make a button for a muzzle loader barrel, I also watched your video on deep hole drilling... very fasinating. one of my favorite channels please keep them coming.
This barrel was made from DOM tubing, so 1020 or 1026 steel.
i was waiting for Chuck Norris to machine steel with just his stare. im certainly let down lol
awesome video! wish you kept the buttons together to make a progressive cut similar to how a step bit works. Also curious if you have tried something similar to a jack hammer to drive buttons? would it be cleaner that way or potentially vibrate the tool steel to death?
Great job, great sound, great video!!
well done. you make it look so easy and for you maybe it is so..., do this for me. make your button with 5 sides instead of 3. you will only need one pass and it will be like most factory barrels.
edit: is the chuck that the 3 buttons were in not strong enough to handle pushing a button on a shaft through a barrel? better than hammering it through.
I do intend to try out some different button styles in the near future. As for pushing the buttons with the chuck, I don't think it would be strong enough for that. However, I do intend to make a hydraulic press for rifling barrels in the near future.
really great one. is there anything to consider at the hardening process? how do you know when its enough? can you tell something about that i mean the hardening in general
All I did to harden it was heat it up until it glowed bright orange and then cool it off with compressed air until it was cool enough to touch. This heat treating method may not be very scientific, but it seems to work ok on rifling buttons made from A2 tool steel.
I wonder how button rifling was done in John Browning's time?
Thanks Mr. Idahoan, your genius in taking out complexity!
Very complicated machines powered by belts off a steam engine, see this TH-cam video: th-cam.com/video/iK82_gqi9dw/w-d-xo.html
Nice video and work!
How did you determine the size of the pulleys you needed to get the right twist rate? Love your channel and appreciate the knowledge you have and share.
Well, I made the first two pulleys the same size, providing a 1:1 ratio, and measured the horizontal travel of the table for one revolution of the chuck, which came out to about 10 inches, so if I want a 1:20 twist rate (for example) that means I need a 1:2 pulley ratio, so I make one pulley twice as big as the other.
Ok, gotcha. That makes perfect sense. Thanks for the reply! Again, love your channel.
Norris first name Chuck doesn't use a machine. He just pisses the perfect rifling in any barrel.
Cool vid. However your other video gave me an idea
You can just use a triangular file , round off the edges heat till red give it a small twist then cut off the part with the correct correct calibre. I tried it yesterday seems to work well!!!
Thanks for your how to vids
Thank you for sharing this. Really helped me out.
Fitting a button to a bore/bullet: ABOUT how much 'oversize' does the button need to be to leave proper size Grooves in the barrel? Will 1 or 2 thou be enough to press the groove to finish 'correct' diameter for caliber, or does it need more than that (ignoring the bore/lands for the moment).
Great work sir! God Bless.
My following questions. Is did you twisted the bottom rifle while you where getting hot or you just template's to getting harder
Good job 👏👏👏
Have you got plans for this? This is really cool.
Groovy... Literally!