What Makes Load Cell Pedals Better? A Look At The Telemetry (Fanatec Clubsport V3 vs Logitech G29)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 ก.ย. 2020
- Chances are you’re currently researching load cell pedals for sim racing. Maybe you already own some, maybe you don’t...but you’re either trying to justify the purchase or figure out where the performance can be found. If you made it this far and are taking the time out to read this video description then let me try and help you a little.
Up until very recently I knew nothing other than Logitech. Pretty much every video on this channel was made using a Logitech G29 wheel and pedal set...but then I went and upgraded to a shiny new set of Fanatec Clubsport V3 pedals. I’m still getting used to them and learning how they feel but the difference is night and day!
But what exactly has improved and how is it having an impact on my in-game inputs? Luckily, I have a known reference point and in this video I attempt to find out. My last ever run on my G29 pedals was the Porsche Carrera Cup Deutschland 2019 car at Oschersleben in RaceRoom Racing Experience and I had the luxury of recording my telemetry for those runs too.
So time to fire up the exact same combo and record some more telemetry with one difference. The Fanatec Clubsport V3 Pedals.
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You deserve more subs this is high quality
Thanks mate, that's very kind of you...suf 😉 although it's quite difficult to get subs on TH-cam unless you have a specific video that goes big and draws a lot of new viewers in. Most of the people who subscribed to my channel came from maybe 2 or 3 specific videos, despite me putting out over 100 videos/streams so far this year already...it's a tricky one predicting what will be popular. That also causes a lot of burnout too, trying to make videos that will be a big success. If a video doesn't gain enough momentum after 2-3 days of release then the TH-cam algorithm kind of just forgets about it and doesn't show it on people's feed anymore so it's all about how many people watch and interact in the very early days. And also if you stop putting out content regularly then TH-cam puts you down the list too 😬
Anyway, sorry for the ramble, not sure where that came from 😅 but hopefully gives you an idea of what's involved in trying to make a channel like this work on TH-cam. Really appreciate the support and glad you enjoyed the video.
This is the first of your videos I’ve seen and you are the first channel I’ve ever subscribed to after just 1 video. The professionalism, objective analysis of actual data, and overall great positive attitude put a real smile on my face. Thank you for the great video and keep it up!
Thank you very much for the kind words Alec 😁 that's massively appreciated! Glad you enjoyed this one, it's been a few years since I recorded it so plenty more to catch up on. Although the majority of my content is live streams of actual racing, there are a few more of these informational type videos sprinkled in between 👍
i gotta say your fist in hand example really clarified it, trying to remember where that fist was physically at when applying 75% force vs just applying 75% force makes it much clearer. well done on an excellent and very quality detailed video! great job!
Thanks mate 😁 glad it came in useful! After nearly 12 months of using these pedals now I can confirm that pressure memory is definitely a thing, my leg almost instinctively knows how hard to press now and it feels very natural. I might have to dig out the old Logitech pedals and give them another try just to see how they feel after getting used to a load cell 🤔
Wow, happy i stopped by for this video. So far you are the only one explaining the advantage with pure data. This helps so much, thank you! You got my sub!
I can't guarantee that it's 100% scientifically accurate or that I always know what I'm talking about 😅 but it's my best observations from the data at least, glad to hear it could help you out! Thanks for the sub, I'll have a look at doing some more videos like this in the future again hopefully 👍
This was a great help for me even a year after your posting. I'll definitely use your link when I'm ready to get the uprated pedals.
I guess the data is still as relevant today as it was when I made this video, although a big improvement since recording is that these pedals are now rig mounted and much more sturdy 👍 I haven't recorded many laps in the past few months so it'd be interesting to revisit this again now I'm much more used to how the Fanatec pedals feel. No doubt they'd be even smoother! 12 months on and I honestly can't fault them, I still use them every day and couldn't recommend more highly 😁
I was almost tempted to use drivehub for a different set but adding up the costs, I may do better just looking for a set of the V3s.
You really did a great presentation..I ordered these pedals 2 days ago, along with the CS V2 & BMW wheel..I wish I would have seen your link sooner..I hope you can get the entire setup soon.
Thanks for the kind words and I'm glad my ramblings came in useful for you 😉 I'd be interested to know your thoughts on the new braking feel once you're up and running. Still saving up here for the DD wheel though 👍 although having a wedding and honeymoon since then hasn't exactly helped the bank balance 😅
Been 2 years since you uploaded this video and I learned alot from this. Currently using Thrustmaster T300RS GT setup and could not figure out why I am per lap up to 2 seconds slower then most streamers. This video really helped alot understanding why.
Happy to know this video is still proving useful to this day 😉 thanks for the kind words mate!
As always, educational indeed and well represented! As of the day of watching this video, I am on my third day of my new T-LCM pedals. As of today, I received a brake mod kit to help in the progressive feel to the breaking action. The info contained in this video reinforces my decision to have made the upgrade recommended by others but with visual proof. Thanks again DDF!
Awesome news about the upgrade mate, it makes such a big difference doesn't it? Takes a little getting used to at first because of the increased pressure needed and progressive nature of the load cell, but it'll help massively with being able to ride the brakes on the limit and avoid lockups, and therefore increase your consistency over time as well 👍
Have been looking at these for a few weeks now to use with my g29 wheel until I can afford the CSL DD. You've made my mind up!!
Oh mate, the pedals are definitely the one thing you should upgrade first! A new steering wheel would be nice in terms of enjoyment, but the pedals have the biggest difference in terms of performance 😉 specifically consistency instead of outright pace.
Also, shameless plug 😅 but feel free to use the affiliate link in the video description if you'd like to help the channel out a little 👍
@@DDFRacer yep i will!!
Great comparison video and explanations as well! Thanks for the video!
No problem 😎 glad you found it useful mate
Awesome video. Very interesting. Can't wait for my load cell pedal to arrive
Thanks for the kind words and congrats on your new purchase 🥳 which pedals did you end up going for?
@DDFRacer I just upgraded my csl pedal to the loadcell. It arrived yesterday and the difference is crazy. Can finally drive without abs! 🙌
This is a great video as I research upgrading my pedals. I specifically am looking at moving up to the same v3 pedals from my starter set that came with my Thrustmaster T150. Eventually I'll upgrade the wheel too, but you sold me on the v3 Fanatec pedals. (I'll be using your link if its still active). Just here to say this was a great video, well done, and I will be back to share my experience after I complete the upgrade. Cheers.
Awesome stuff Jordan, glad you found this useful mate! Pedals are definitely the priority when thinking about upgrades since they probably make the biggest difference to your driving inputs, well worth it. Still rocking the G29 wheel here (although with an aftermarket rim which arrived last week) but hoping to upgrade to a direct drive when my funds allow it. The link is still valid too 👍 so if you decide to use it then thanks for helping the channel out mate 🤩
Fabulous video and analysis! I have been playing around and spent hours modding my G920 pedals, trying a multitude of configurations. They are now mounted inverted with the break pedal on the outside and clutch in the center. I have also settled on half the rubber stop in the break spring. They are better but still not consistent so I was considering load cell pedals and your video has convinced me lol 😆.
Completely agree about the 'fake' rubber stopper in the G29/920 brakes, it was so strange to get used to at first but I could see what is was trying to emulate in that the harder you press down the more resistance there is, but in a nonlinear fashion towards the end of the travel. The problem here is that the resistance point didn't always correspond with the car in the sim, so you might be locking the brakes way before you hit that rubber stopper, or might need to slam on to even get close...it was a bit inconsistent.
With these new V3 loadcell brakes it feels so much more intuitive, especially since the travel is reduced and the force required has been increased too. It was a little tricky at first getting my brain used to the new feeling but now that my muscles and my brain has adapted, the consistency is a lot better than before
And, of course, don't forget to use that link in the video description if you're considering getting Fanatec pedals 😉
Came to this video, because I just ordered these, to replace my G29 pedals. Your excellent analysis, convinced me I’ve made the right decision👍 Thanks 🙏🏻
Always good to have some reassurance once you've spent the money 😉 nothing worse than being unsure about a decision. Happy to report that almost a year on and these things are still going strong, although I had to lubricate some of the joints a couple of weeks ago since they started squeaking. A minor complaint really.
This is the best analysis I have seen and I have immediately ordered my Clubsport v3. Data always convinces
Congrats on your new purchase Steven 🥳 I hope they don't take too long in the post mate!
Really nice and interesting video mate!! Glad you like your new pedals!! :)
I'm loving them mate, such a good upgrade! Although they'll be even nicer when my K2-R rig turns up and I can mount them into position so they don't lift up all the time 🤣
@@DDFRacer 💪😃👌
Great video! I'm currently on a G27 and was considering exactly this upgrade. Pedals first, V3.. Your insight and detailed analysis is exactly what I needed. I'll use your link when I'm ready to buy.. just waiting to see if there happens to be any BF deals first. And subscribed :)
Sometimes you just need someone else who's been in the same situation to tell you the grass _is actually_ greener on the other side 😉 and when I was doing my research I found a lot of videos saying the V3s were great... But without much hard analysis or evidence as to exactly _why_ . That was my thought process behind using telemetry to break it down 👍 so I'm glad you found it useful mate. Thanks for the sub!
@@DDFRacer Even without the telemetry you did an excellent job articulating how much of improvement the feel was going from the logitech pedals. And I completely agree, why doesn't anyone talk about the rumble! I was wondering exactly that when trying to decide between the Fanatec Elite LC pedals and the Clubsport V3! Your telemetry analysis obviously substantiated it all, and put the review into a top tier quality bracket. A lot of other reviews out there do a really great job reviewing the product and quality etc.. But I haven't seen anyone take the angle you did... again, very well done!
Are you planning on going to the Clubsport v2.5 wheel base at some point, or do you have something else in mind? That's my long game setup target, all Fanatec Clubsport gear. I race in VR as well (Index).
@@saulb77 Hey hey sorry for the late reply! I'm planning on saving up and skipping the belt driven wheels, going straight to direct drive instead. Most of the people I've talked to say that if you get a belt wheel you'll probably upgrade to a direct drive eventually anyway, so best to save some money and only purchase once 👍
Just ordered the v3 myself to go with my g27,
Did you make the purchase?, how did you get on?
@@davidmabbley9924 I ended up going with the HE Sprints instead, along a VRS DirectForce Pro wheel base. Loving it all so far!
Thank you so much it was a fantastic vid i have just this second orderd a pair from fanatec . You have done a fantastic job of explaneing the pedals and you have gaind another subscriber :) awsome keep up the good work i will be watching through your vids tomorow off to bed for me :) .
Awww bollox reading through the comments and i didn't use your link :( sorry . well in a few months i will be ordering a v2.5 so i will use it then 100%
No worries, glad you enjoyed it and found it useful 😉 the majority of my other videos are races and livestreams in RaceRoom, but the more recent ones feature these pedals along with my new rig so should give the telemetry analysis some context! And don't stress about the link, it's all good mate 👍 look after yourself and maybe see you out on track sometime soon.
Amazing, thank you! All the best!
You're welcome 😎 glad you enjoyed the video and found it useful!
I'm thinking about getting the pedals for fanatec first then maybe the wheel later, you've helped me make my mind up :P
Awesome stuff, glad to hear my ramblings and data actually came in useful! Can confirm the pedals made a huge difference in the feel of the driving...and something I didn't really touch on too much in this video was the feeling of consistency over time. I had a race in the classic Porsche Carrera last night and managed to save the car from spinning so many times thanks to the pedals, but also on some of my longer races I've really noticed the overall variation in my laptimes coming down too, since it's much easier to hit the same marks lap after lap.
PS. If you *do* decide to go with Fanatec for the pedals then make sure you use the link to their store in my video description below 👍 Fanatec are pretty cool when it comes to people helping them out and have agreed to give me a split of any sales that come from this video, so perhaps I might be able to review the wheel for you too after all 😉
good call, good freakin call
Thanks Daniel. Good video. Inspired me to take a look at some of my recent traces (using G29 and pedals) and saw similar problems. My lazy footwork and poor setup of my inputs in the game.
Took the X-Bow back to Bathurst and knocked 1.5 seconds off my Hotlap time.
Fun times ahead :) (edit-missed a word)
That's awesome to hear and it's amazing how much time can be found so easily/quickly just by having a quick look over the data. Things that aren't obvious when you're driving the car suddenly become as clear as night and day when you're sat back with a cuppa and not trying to survive by the seat of your pants over the top of the mountain.
Hi Dan. Once again great video. I'm pretty sure the V3's use a hall sensor for accelerator and clutch and the brake is the only one with the load cell. I've found myself quicker with them.
Cheers JB, was amazed when I sat down and had a look at the data. I was expecting a bit of a difference, but not this much! You're spot on about the hall sensor too 👍
Bro I gotchu! I very much enjoyed the video! I’m currently using csl elites with load cell kit. I don’t think these are the v2’s but they look like them.. anyways, I plan on staying with the fanatec ecosystem since I bought the podium dd1 (3 weeks ago) so I could use it on PlayStation as well. Once I’m ready to make my purchase I’ll use your link. Thank you and great video! Just got into sim racing a few weeks back.
Ah mate, welcome to the addiction of sim racing 🤣 it's good to have you! Thanks for the kind words and all the best for your upgrades when you get there 👍
@@DDFRacer I can’t wait! I plan on buying a trak racer trx on Black Friday
@@DXCXV should get in touch with their marketing department and name it 'Trak Friday' 👀
Great video. Subbed and bought the pedals because of your video.
Thank you Cody 😁 glad you found it useful! Hopefully the new pedals don't take too long to arrive 🤞
Great video nice job. The v3 pedals are a great improvement. I went from the thrustmaster pedals to the v3 pedals and honestly I wish I had just brought them first. Only 150 more and so worth it. My children use them now and its help improve their times on the real life tracks. Also that program you are using looks awesome to. For once I could see the improvements and the information it gave you in the brake points section wow that helps a lot. Thanks once again.
A massive improvement, both in terms of feel and consistency 👍 pedals were definitely the right upgrade to make first although it'll be interesting to see if a better shifter can help me out too since I always struggle with crunching the gears when doing H pattern manual shifting. After feeling the difference between the G29s and V3s in terms of build quality and solidness, it's really hitting home how 'plasticky' the G29 can be. But then again, if it's all you've ever known then you'd have no idea what you're missing out on, right?
As for the software, this is the Z1 Analyser tool I tried out in my previous telemetry video. I've had a lot of comments about it actually, I might have to put a quick tutorial together 😉
Your kids are driving on real life tracks?
Yeah they do karting 😎👍
@@DDFRacer My dumbass was imagining a toddler ripping down nordschleife in an 800 hp beast😭
That video very well explained and showed the differences, Dan. Very interesting! Great Fanatec gave you that store link, I would definitely use it. But probably I will not upgrade my hardware soon, would have no more excuse for beeing so slow. 😂 Of course, with your Logitech gear, desk and comfy chair, you were the perfect example for "it's not the gear, it's the ear", ahem, "...driver". Will be interesting to see over the next time, how much you get even better when gradually upgrading your equipment.
Although I'm happy that I can finally start upgrading, especially when you consider the amount of racing/videos I do, it does make me sad that I won't be able to use my 'home-made budget' setup any more now I have these new pedals and once my Simetik K2-R arrives. It was such an endearing feeling to know I was the plucky underdog, sticking it to the big boys on the super rig setups 😂 kind of like Red 5 taking out the Death Star almost. Moving forwards I think the only thing that will improve my pace would be a wheel, but the cost of a Direct Drive is **ridiculously expensive** and won't be happening any time soon.
@@DDFRacer Yes, that "underdog" approach is (or, soon, "was") very nice. But your personality, enthusiasm, kindness and humor is much more important for your channel, so I'm sure you and we the viewers, won't miss that approach too much. I believe it at applies here too: it's not the gear. (With one big exception, of course, your headset. If you should get a new one, you have to put that sticker on again...)
Great video and breakdown of why the type of interface matters. Logitech is nearly always about using the cheapest internals possible and spending most of the budget on marketing, packaging, aesthetics, and other things that don’t really matter.
The interface is the only connection between you and the software, much like the tyres are the only connection between the car and the road...and we all know how important the tyres are 😉
A lot of logi wheels including mine are going strong after 10 years
and reliability
Excellent explanation, good job my dude. (The racing car rock solid brake pedal is something of a myth tho', they like sim racers have different preferences)
Thanking you kindly good sir 🧐 glad you enjoyed it! It's been a few years since I made this so could be quite an interesting topic to return to now I have a bit more experience on the load cell. Still running the V3 pedals and they've been absolutely faultless 👌
Think i've worked out what i'll invest in next year then! Been using my G29 pedals for a loooong time
I can relate to that 😅 and with a limited budget it was a question of which upgrade would be the most beneficial. All of the research said the pedals, and can confirm it makes such a difference over the G29s 👍 I'd dread to think how quick you'd be on a decent set...
These v3 pedals look so god damn good. I cant wait to try them out!
Can confirm after more than 12 months using them that they're still working great 👍 absolutely changed the way I go racing for the better, particularly my consistency.
Realy good idea to just change the pedals. I was thinking of a full upgrade: wheel + pedals. But this seems like a good option.
I would have liked to change both at once but my budget didn't allow it unfortunately. After lots of research it was quite clear that many people said pedals were their best investment so that's why I decided to go that way 😉 still saving up for that DD though...
My buddy have the full fanatec csl elite setup with the v3 pedals and I own the logitech g920 he told me just get the pedals it will help you improve alot
very well explained ! .... i think fanatec would benifit by using your video to promote there pedals! ....[they should send you a wheel for your efforts!!!]
Just need to find a way to get their attention somehow 🤔 usually people direct message on Twitter but I got rid of my account a few years ago. Perhaps their Facebook page...
Great video. Only bit that I think is wrong is that all 3 pedals on the v3 use Hall sensors, but only the brake has the load cell, which is a non-electronic mechanism used to get progressive resistance.
Well, you learn something new every day 😉 thanks mate. Always happy to be corrected where I'm wrong so I don't give out any false information in future videos 👍
Very smart of you to upgrade your pedals first. Most go straight for a new wheel. The V3's are awesome pedals. Easily the best product Fanatec makes, both in terms of quality and bang for the buck. I did the same as you, I went from G29 to V3's, and now I'm using HPP PRX-SE's. I remember when I upgraded to the V3's it made the G29's feel like toys. And that's not a knock on the G29, it's a great setup, but the V3's are on another level. A piece of advice, if I may: When you are ready to upgrade your wheelbase, skip the higher end belt driven bases and go straight to a DD. I had a Clubsport V2.5 and it was definitely nice, but for a guy like you who is obviously a serious sim racing enthusiast, it'll be a waste of money you could spend on a DD. Be patient, it'll be worth it. Love the channel! Cheers!
I'm quite careful with my money (probably because I don't have a lot of it really 😅) so wanted to make sure I made the wisest investment considering it might be a while until I can afford the next upgrade. The overwhelming majority of advise I received told me to get new pedals before anything else so...I did. And yep, like you say, it was 100% the correct choice!
Completely agree about the wheel too. I'm very impressed with Fanatec so far, especially the shifter which was a very recent addition too, and I have my eyes on a Podium DD wheel but that might be a long way off at the moment. When you consider the cost of a good belt vs DD wheel there's not a massive difference so it's definitely worth spending that little extra instead of purchasing two very expensive pieces of gear in quick succession.
Love the Logitech VS Fanatec Backdrop light thingy there. Shows how much u care bout ur quality :D Great Vid mate can only underline basically everything u said d-(OvO)
Aaah thanks Lev 🤩 Mrs DDF got me that light as a birthday gift, she knows me so well! It's always tricky finding things to say though as the combinations of letters you can use are rather limited, need to get creative sometimes 😉
I still have the cheap CSL pedals gas and brake only, no loadcell, but the travel on the brake (which is the clutch when you have the loadcell) is way larger than on the G29. Took some getting used to as I had to press way farther. Also the spring is stronger on the CSL, so when it feels like I'm fully braking with the G29 I'm only like braking 50% with the CSL. Sounds like the loadcell makes a lot of difference!
With the non-loadcell pedals it measures the distance the pedal moves, meaning that if you want to brake 50% then you move the pedal 50%. It makes sense from a numbers point of view but your brain is memorising fixed positions instead of force applied. You could gradually apply pressure with your foot and reach 50% or you could slam on hard and fast and reach 50% much quicker...you're still moving the pedal to the same position. With a load cell, however, the pedal is measuring the amount of force applied which is much more like how you would drive an actual car and feels a lot more natural. I hardly have any movement in my brake pedal on the V3s but they're super stiff so I really have to press hard to get the car slowed down, but at the same time I also have the ability to apply really fine movements by being gentle despite the amount of travel in the pedal being the same as a heavy braking zone. It's an odd feeling to get used to at first but feels so much better after a few laps 👍
Thanks mate beautifully explained, gonna stiffen up mine see if it helps, did you use the red and green cell inserts?
Hey Jason, no inserts for me 👍 the kit was out of stock when I ordered so I could either get the pedals by themselves in a week or get the kit and wait for three months until everything shipped.
Enjoyed this one :) I'd love to try out a set of V3s to compare them to the TLCM... V3s look very nice!
Likewise, it'd be interesting to have a go on some Thrustmasters just to see what the comparison is like! One thing about these Fanatec V3s is they feel absolutely solid and I'm not even anywhere near full potential. Once the rig gets here and I can mount them securely in place it'll be fascinating to see how much I can push them.
@@DDFRacer oh you're going to love the rig! It really does make a difference!
Awesome video, still relevant and very helpful, thanks! Questions 1) how is V3 pedals working for you today in terms of reliability? 2) are you still using the original PU foam for load cell, or have you moved onto using harder elastomers (brake performance kit)? Thanks in advance.
Thanks for the kind words, glad the video was useful! To answer your questions, the pedals haven't skipped a beat since I installed them. I haven't had any issues with them at all and have used them rather extensively as I'm sure you can imagine 👍 although I do make sure they're well lubricated and the dust doesn't build up too much. Nothing worse than pedal squeak on a two hour race 😂
About the load cell configuration, I'm still using the 100% stock standard setup. When I purchased these pedals the brake performance kit wasn't in stock for another few months and would have delayed the shipping so I just didn't bother getting it.
D*mn. I didn’t expect this tbh. Very informative content
Thanks Rocky, glad you found it useful mate!
I have a G29, will definitely upgrade to V3 ! Thanks for your video
No problem Julien, glad you found it useful mate 😁
_PS. (shameless self promo: if you do upgrade, don't forget to use the Fanatec affiliate link in the description to help the channel out a little!)_
Potentiometers are like anything else, you get what you pay for. Good quality ones are still in use for many applications and load cells aren't inherently better. When it comes down to the brake pedal of a sim racing pedal tho' they are, because of the limits of the simulation, better as they enable your muscle memory to develop and that's a huge advantage over any position based system. Happily a couple of years after this was filmed, Fanatec now have the best load cell brake pedal available for under £300, the CSL Elite V2 has one of the best load cell brake pedals you can get for under a grand, and yes it blows away the their more expensive Clubsport brake pedal, even if it's got the available upgrades fitted, the clutch pedal isnt as good as the Clubsport clutch and there's no adjustment on either throttle or clutch, but those pedals are fine on the CSL Elite V2, they're well made from cast aluminium and the brake pedal is outstanding. If you're new to sim racing but drive IRL then you'll get it fast, and soon see your lap times decrease. Happy racing people.
Very interesting what you said about the CSL Elite V2 pedals 🤔 I might have to look in to that...
Great video . I have the v3 pedals but haven’t used them yet . Please would you mind sharing any important settings you used eg pedal travel ?
Sure thing Andrew, nice and easy to answer this one 😉 I'm using the pedals as stock standard apart from dialling up the preload on the brakes to about 5 or 6 (can't remember off the top of my head and I'm at the office at the moment). Apart from that, no mods to the springs or the performance kit, or dampers.
DDF Racer thank you so much I will try and get them sorted this week :-)
Nice video! Thanks for that. Just a quick question - I went from g29 to v3s pedals with brake performance kit. What do you think about brake pedal stiffness? Would a stiffer pedal helps maintain consistency?
Cheers Matias, glad you enjoyed it 👍 I ran the pedals at default when I first got them but noticed myself stiffening them up constantly, to the point now where my preload on the brakes is almost wound all the way out. I don't have the brake performance kit (out of stock in Australia) so can't comment exactly on how that behaves, but having stiffer brakes certainly helped me. I found it much easier to get to full brakes and also easier to modulate the brakes too...having a softer pedal just felt like I was lacking control and consistency.
Great vid mate was the z1 analyser easy to set up only been sim racing about a year . an lol knew nothing about pc etc before then either . fanatec use hall sensors for clutch n accelerator hence more precise .
Cheers Stephen, glad you liked it mate! Z1 Analyser was so easy to set up, especially for RaceRoom, but it works with a load of other sims too. A few people have been asking about it in the comments actually, it might be worth putting some sort of tutorial together? 🤔
I am using old CSR elite pedals, but a loadcell brake just feels so much better and natural than a potentiometer one
I agree having had both and also as I have a large family the v3 pedals they use last. The other cheaper ones the kids broke fast. Worth the money as a parent too.
There's just something about the physical sensation of the loadcells and the increased stiffness/reduced travel which just feels...right. Although it was tricky adapting at first from the G29s but I think it's kind of like learning to play guitar wrong for years and then having a professional tutor show you the proper way to do things 😉
Hi Daniel. Thanks for the video, I have the V3's been trying to get the beat out of them. Dose the Z1 Analyser work with Gran Turismo ?
Hey Steve, sorry for the delayed response mate, have been away for a few days! As far as I know, Z1 Analyser is a PC only tool so unfortunately it wouldn't work with Gran Turismo since that's not available on PC from what I can see. Then again, I'm not 100% sure as I've never used Gran Turismo so don't quote me on that 😉
@@DDFRacer Hi Daniel, I looked up Z1 web site and you are right , Z1 doesn't work with Gran Turismo. Great. Thanks.
Hi @DDF Racer, great video! Is there any way to send the pedals output directly into the G29 so I can also use the pedals with my PS5 games? Or could I use a USB hub on the PS5 and add them separately like on PC?
Hey Trev 👋 unfortunately, as far as I'm aware, I don't believe there is a way to use multiple input devices on console. Using a USB hub wouldn't work since it doesn't combine their inputs into one device, the PS5 would still detect a Fanatec wheel and some Logitech pedals instead of just one grouped device. You might be able to get a better answer or a potential workaround on the Fanatec forums though but I can't make any promises.
@@DDFRacer you can but U need a Cronus to map the buttons from your USB device to your console controller and probably have to make your own scripts
On the G29 you can set the deadzone of the pedals to lower the force and travel needed to get max brake force. You can do that in games settings. The downside is thatyou will lock your brakes sooner. I am curious to make the same update at some point. Do you need an adapter to use the pedals without a wheelbase?
No adapter required, these pedals plug straight in using an USB connection and are completely independent, they show up as an additional device. I'm still using my G29 wheel and there are no issues using two devices at the same time...actually I use three since my X52Pro HOTAS doubled up as a button box/replay camera controller 😉
About the deadzones on the G29, sure you can limit them, and that's what I was doing too. While it does reduce the travel it also reduces the force needed to get to max which is bad...you need to be super delicate on the brakes and micro movements make a massive difference. With the V3 loadcell brake, by increasing the stiffness it reduces the travel but **doesn't reduce the force** which means you don't need to be delicate. It's quite hard to explain but it feels so much better.
Hey, how did you sync video(replay) frim game to telemtry or it is the part of that software ?
Thx m8 👍🏻👍🏻
You can't load a replay file directly into the software unfortunately, but if you record a video clip you can then import the video. There are then options to sync up a specific point in the video with the exact time you cross the finish line and start your lap. It's a little fiddly and time consuming, you have to record your own video, but it's a nice feature to have.
Sorry for being so late to post but I just bought this pedal set and I’m struggling to wrap my brain around load cells.
Are you supposed to set it up so that you cannot read the end of pedal travel? Because if you’re on the stop, you can’t add more pressure and according to the design spec, they don’t care about the position.
Thanks
Hey mate 👋 sorry for the late reply too! As far as I'm aware you shouldn't be able to reach the end of the travel on these pedals since the harder you press, the more the fluid inside pedal compresses and you get diminishing returns being able to move it less. You can adjust the stiffness on the Fanatec pedals too, so you reach that point much sooner if you like. Most racing cars are set up this way with very little travel 👍
No corrections needed, it's the Shell Curve/Chicane. Nobody knows if it's a S-Section or a Chicane :D
Way better lap you've put together. A lot less pumping on the throttle and better braking. Sector 1 has improved massively.
T7 after Triple Left was much better. Nothing more to say.
The Turn 8-10 passage seems to be faster like that, so it's alright (G29 pedal try was smoother though, I liked that ;) ). If it's faster, it's faster!
Last turn seems to be your Nemesis. Have you tried 3rd gear? Works for me, but taste is different here. Common thing people do is seeing T14 as a hairpin, but it rather is a medium speed turn thanks to it's larger radius and run-off.
I think you can get half a tenth out of that lap, but that really doesn't matter at this point (I won't get there in the near future)
Greetings
There he is! I knew I could count on you to pop up here 😂 glad I passed the test and didn't need correcting, that does make me feel quite happy now...almost as happy as that lap! Like you say though, that final turn is by far my weakest point on the circuit and I'm not quite sure how to improve it. The medium-speed mentality thing could work, might have to give that a try next time whenever that might be 🤔
Hey bud I’ve got a a question about the pedals, is the fanatec v3 pedals able to go standalone on console with the adapter, im using a g920 on Xbox and the wheel is fine but the pedals are limiting me a lot and I don’t have a pc
Hey mate, I'm honestly not too sure unfortunately 🤔 I haven't got an Xbox so it's not something I'm able to test out at my end and wouldn't want to give you advice which would steer you in the wrong direction. Have you tried searching the Fanatec forums?
@@DDFRacer Not yet I’ll try going in the forums, thanks for the help!
Hello,there is some mod to improve logi pedal for better feel.
Do you have some in your or it's stock?Maybe the gap is less than you think if your pedal is not stock.
The fisr thing you can do without spending money is sawp clutch spring with accelerator.
It will will require more force to press,you can have better modulation.I have done it on my g27 but personaly the clutch spring is not hard enough (by lack of speed feel/car connexion,i need restistance under my feet,like you have demonstrate with your fist) but better than original gaz spring.
i Saw on software for g29 you can claibrate the maximum pedal position,helpfull for the brake.(still the pressure to apply problem i know)
My old G29 pedals were completely stock, although I'd worn the potentiometers out and had to replace them about a year ago. I saw a few tricks where you could change the springs and the rubber perhaps, but ultimately it was still using a potentiometer and not a load cell sensor. The potentiometer on the G29 is position based, whereas the loadcell on the V3 is pressure based so depends entirely on how *hard* you press, not how *much* you press. It takes a little getting used to, but I feel like my braking is _much_ more consistent now than it ever used to be 👍
agreed with others on the high quality analysis here
Thanks Kham 😁 happy to hear you found it useful!
How long did it take to get time down as im 3s of my best since going to lc and ive never been of the track so much. Ready to ditch them
It took me a few sessions to get used to the new feeling and match my old times but once I did, I noticed that I could be much more consistent than on the Logitech G29s 👍 stick with it mate, you'll get there!
The V3's only have a load cell on the brake pedal the clutch and gas pedal use magnetic contactless sensors so its cool you still noticed an upgrade on the throttle
The increased resistance makes a huge difference since you don't just feel like you're stomping on a piece of plastic any more, you actually have to apply a fair amount of pressure to keep the pedals down. The way the clutch has a simulated biting point as well is great with the variable resistance throughout the travel. The fact you can adjust the force required and travel on the brakes is just the icing on the cake. Nine months on and I have absolutely no complaints whatsoever 👌
these "science" videos are really nice 👍 big difference in the Throttle resolutions, that was little surprising. I know it was a difference. But not that much.
I try to be as scientific as possible and let the data to the talking, but I always end up talking too much anyway 😂 always thinking of new ideas for things to compare though and if I ever get any new gear I'll probably be doing something similar again. I've done VR vs Monitor, G29 vs V3...but not sure what to do next 🤔 anything you'd like to see?
Thanks. Any vid on how to get the indicators (brake, accelerator) on the screen? Thnaks
Hey Tamas, glad you enjoyed the video mate...are you referring to the telemetry on the screen (the data which shows how fast the car is travelling and also how much brakes i'm using) when you say indicators? If so, I'm using a piece of software called Z1 Analyser which I've only recently discovered but is absolutely fantastic 😁 many people have asked about it in the comments so I might have to make a tutorial about it...
DDF Racer yes. Thank you. Much appreciated. I’d like to see how much pressure I apply at a certain time. Acceleration and braking as well.
I think you're missing the point here somehow. First of all i completely agree, that a loadcell brake is THE most important upgrade in most cases. Although a loadcell gives you a little advantage in terms of finer control over the brakes this is not the main point. The main advantage of a load cell is the muscle memory, which you stated correctly, lets you memorize specific brakeforce appliance much better than a certain foot position. So my point here is: You certainly get a little faster due to more control over the brake, but you ABSOLUTELY get more consistent and gain more trust to brake later, which is much more important in my opinion, and this is what you should've demonstrated in your video. I mean there are tons of reasons why you where faster in the newer lap, you where braking at completely different spots and in a different manner, your accelerator appliance is very different ect. This MIGHT be related to the braking, but not necessarily HAS TO. You could've done that with your logitech brakes as well.
Maybe do another video, where you compare the braking of multiple laps on one pedal set and multiple laps of the other, to demonstrate the lower deviation.
So, TL/DR: Don't expect a loadcell to gain you seconds right away, just expect to be able to brake more consistently and thus be able to move your braking point further into the curve because you gain more confidence.
I've been meaning to do a follow up video after a few months of usage on these pedals with a more comprehensive review of how they feel different and what the benefits are...turns out it's been over six months already 😅 so I'm definitely overdue for that.
Completely agree about the consistency you mention, that's something big that I've noticed since racing with these pedals. At the time of making this video I was only about a week or two into using the Fanatec V3s (my first ever load cells, actually) so was still finding my feet, if you'll pardon the expression. With a little more experience though I can definitely see that my laptimes are closer together and I tend to make less mistakes due to having more of an understanding of what's going on underneath me which was much harder to judge on my G29 pedals 👍
Having a transition period with my T-LCM pedals, should I go stiffer to get a smoother break?
Tips please.
Hey Mr J, depends on what you're struggling with at the moment. I found the V3s to be quite spongy by default so I stifferend them up quite a bit to reduce the travel distance, meaning I still need to apply the same pressure but my foot moves less. I found it much easier to be consistent when I did that 👍
thank you mate
You're welcome 😉 glad it came in useful!
@@DDFRacer yeah you already know you are the best👌 keep going i like your videos
I have a G29 wheel but want to use it with the clubsport V3 pedals to my PS5 for Gran turismo 7. Is this possible?
I don't _think_ this is possible, but then again I don't have a PS5 so can't confirm. You can have the G29 wheel and V3 pedals as separate inputs using two different USB ports on PC but I'm not sure whether you can do this on a PS5 unfortunately, your best bet might be posting up on the GT7 forums to ask for advice 👍
Great review Dan. You may have just cost me money :)
Thanks Mark, they're well worth it in my opinion! If you're thinking about upgrading to Fanatec then don't forget to use that link in the description 😉
@@DDFRacer I will use that link if I do bite the bullet, just got to work out discretionary budget after buying some expensive stuff for my other hobby :)
Was that the famous "Loafer Senna TC V1" at work? @1:15 😂
It sure was 😉 couldn't think of a better example of fancy footwork!
Can you tell me if you are able to use a Thustmaster T500 with Fanatec V2?
Hey Greg, unfortunately I don't think I can be much help to you since I don't own either of those devices. I only have the Logitech wheel you see in this video and my pedals are the never V3 model so...it's a bit of a tricky one. Hopefully you can get something sorted out though 👍 have you tried the Fanatec forums?
Have you considered the Trustmaster load cell pedal set? Cheaper and good reviews.
I'd considered Thrustmaster but figured if I was going to spend the money, I might as well spend a little extra and make a proper investment. The Thrustmasters looked good but the reviews for Fanatec were a little better, the build quality looked better and also the ability to add the rubber performance kit/mod springs/damper kit really swung me towards that decision.
Don't underestimate smoothness. The car is a lot more settled and easier to control, the smoother you are. If you can accelerate and break smoother...wow.
100% agree. It's been a while since I made this video and I think my technique has definitely improved since then, although probably getting used to the Fanatec pedals (and now also running a CSL DD) helps with my inputs 😉
@@DDFRacer I have ordered the V3 pedals from Fanatec, but will still use a Logitech wheel. This video was one of the reasons that I ordered the pedals. Eventually I want a full rig and starting with the pedals seems to be the biggest initial upgrade.
Im happy because this video is amazing and informative, im sad because its making me spend more money
That's some serious mixed emotion going on right there mate 😅 but if you *do* decide to get some pedals (or anything else for that matter), don't forget to use the Fanatec link in the description to help me out a little 👍
How much does the vibrating pedals matter vs load cell? If I get load cell minus the vibrating pedals do you think there is a huge difference or marginal?
The vibrating pedals are a nice touch but you can definitely live without them. The key thing you're after is the load cell since this directly affects the feeling of pressure you apply on the brake, whereas the vibration is a nice feedback effect to give you a more subtle pointer. I've not been able to get it working with rF2 yet and, to be honest, once I'm driving for a few laps I forget all about it.
@@DDFRacer Thanks!! I'm going to be honest. I ordered the same pedals after watching your vid. The motec part is what got me. I looked at mine after watching yours. My brake application looked like a saw blade!!! Throttle off was a smooth downward curve but my brake application both on and off is as jagged as can be. I'm pretty sure that that's the last half second that I couldn't find before. Thanks man!!
@@southernaviator7010 Yeah that blew my mind a little as well, seeing the actual digital input on a graph and how little fidelity there was. Previously I'd just blamed my feet (and to be honest I still do 😅) but in my 1-on-1 training session with Mike Epps he pointed out to me and it'd been one of the first things I wanted to check on the telemetry.
Congrats on your purchase as well 😉 and thank you for using the link! Can't wait to see what you make of them mate!
how in the heck did I miss this video??
Not sure mate, but you found it now...right? 😅
Can I use the cubsport petals for Logitech g920
You sure can 👍 you don't connect the pedals to the wheel like the old G29 pedals. Instead, you plug the pedals into a separate USB port on the PC and they register as a new additional device.
Dude where did you get that sweet shirt?
That was the last item of clothing I purchased in the UK about five years ago before I moved to Australia for the grand total of...£2! It's in the wash right now so I can't check but pretty sure it was from Topshop. Doubt there'd still be any on the shelf though 😅
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Why only 800 likes and 200 comments. This video was good
For some reason your comment was marked as spam so I've only just seen it 🤔 but thank you for the kind words Daniel! This is actually one of my better performing videos to be honest, I guess I just haven't made content that the TH-cam algorithm has decided is worth pushing like crazy 😉
@@DDFRacer keep on it :)
Are you still using vibration for the pedals? Or is that just a gimmick that’s cool at first
Yep, still using vibration here and loving it! It's a subtle feeling but something you subconciously adapt to once you get used to the feeling, it's a clear indicator of when you're being an idiot and pushing the car beyond the limit of grip 👍 has probably saved me understeer scrubbing along the track on several occasions.
That said, I still haven't got it working properly with rF2 or ACC yet...but RaceRoom and AMS have the feature integrated so it just works automatically.
@@DDFRacer Thank you! But can you turn it off if you want?
Any opinion about Fanatec dampers?
Unfortunately not Fernando, I have a damper lying around from my initial purchase but I've never gotten around to installing it! Maybe in the next month or so, now that I'm used to the 'standard' feeling I'll be able to notice the 'damper' feeling much more easily 🤔
Thanks
I second all the positive reviews below, you've sold me. Now I'm going to bed so I don't make a rash decision. Will probably do it anyway :D It's great to see you're still using a Logitech wheel, you're practicing what you preach, it makes you a more relateable person in my newbie sim racing eyes.
Thank you so much Andrew for the tip 😁 glad you found the video useful! Funny you mention about the Logitech wheel, as my new CSL DD arrived the other day and I'm in the process of editing the unboxing/setup footage 😅 I'm keeping the G29 though as it'll be good to hook it up every now and then to keep things real.
Nice analysis, thanks! However, I don't see how you are not reaching 100% breaking on the logitech pedals in the areas where you should be applying 100%; on a potentiometer pedal 100 and 0 are the easiest points to hit, in between is a different story...
With the logitech g29 there's a little piece of rubber inside the brake pedal which attempts to create some of that non-linear feel and gets progressively harder to press the more force you apply. I also drove the Oreca LMP2 in rFactor 2 for a year which had the twitchiest brakes of any sim car I've ever known 😅 so perhaps I'm just a little mentally scarred from that too...
Hmmm, fascinating. I've been rocking the G27 for a long time now, and have been thinking about load cells. There seems to be a bit of a disadvantage with others whom I know have load cells. May have to look into compatibility issues. Thanks Dan, even more to think about.
Something which I think may help you in particular is trail braking, which I didn't really cover too much in this video. Although the pedals are stiff and don't travel much on a V3 (especially the way I have them configured) it's also quite easy to just brush up against them and drag the brakes ever so slightly, which could be super useful for the low grip skating-mobiles you're so fond of 😉 just a touch of left foot through the corner to help balance the car. On the G27s it's kind of hit and miss when you're trying to apply just a dab of the brakes.
Just out of curiosity, what compatibility issues and disadvantages have you researched?
@@DDFRacer Yes, you know me so well 😎 I am fairly sure more modern pedals wouldn't be usable on my old Windows XP computer, so I've been thinking about moving GPL to my new Win 10 machine, and I have read that Ckubsport V3 pedals will work on that combo, but not sure yet if Pedals will only work through the Fanatec wheel. Alternatively there may be a way to up convert my spare set of G27 pedals to have a load cell. Is it worth spending on that or just go with pedals that have the cell built in. Lots more to ponder.
The pedals go straight into the PC via a USB and show up as an additional device so no need to connect or convert anything 👍 I'm still using the G29 wheel and the pedals plugged in no dramas first time, up and running easy as.
@@DDFRacer Hi, is there any way to send the pedals output directly into the G29 so I can also use the pedals with my PS5 games? Or could I use a USB hub on the PS5 and add them separately like on PC?
What hud are you using?
I'm using 'SimHub' for all of my in-game overlays when I race, they give my race positions and lap timing etc...but this program I'm using here to look at the data is called 'Z1 Analyser'. Both are completely free to download and use 👍 although the free version of Z1 Analyser will stop working every 15 minutes and need to be restarted.
How are you using fanatec pedals with logitech wheel?
The Fanatec pedals just connect directly to the PC using USB mate :)
@@aidan7294 you need an adapter. The pedals use ethernet cables. Just learned that lol. Too late I already bought a full kit xD
My pedals connect directly to the PC with a USB cable. You need an Ethernet adaptor for things like a shifter, but the pedals connect directly and register as a separate device to the g29 completely 😉
@@DDFRacer my pedals... I swear to God are ethernet on the end. I could have gotten an adapter still damn. Oh well my fanatec is being RMA'd right now for a shaking issue. If I dont like it when it comes back ill as for a refund and maybe just keep the pedals or send it all back and get the best pedals they have
@@DDFRacer I still need the loadcell kit and logitech already sent me a FREE WHEEL thats sitting in a box brand new so I can sell it later.
I don't even get this comparison lol I grt dough an overview of both products or a review but def not a comparison as if they are competing lol good video regardless tho
Simple answer is yes you can be more consistent with better pedals and that in turn does make you faster for sure
I think that although the Fanatec pedals are much better than the Logitech ones, many people who've never used load cells before wouldn't necessarily know _why_ they're better which is the angle I was going for with this video 👍 highlighting the differences as 'scientifically' as I could with a little help from some telemetry.
Assume you're still using the Logitech wheel with the Fanatec pedals?
Yep that's right Kyle, still rocking the G29 these days 👍 man those DD wheels are _expensive_ right? Might take me a little while longer to save up enough for my next upgrade...
@@DDFRaceri wish I could do the same but they're not compatible with one another on console sadly!
When I bought my gear I went straight to the top I skipped logitech and thrustmaster and bought all fanatec stuff, if you don’t have the performance kit $29.99USD that turns the brake into a true load cell when you buy it it’s not a true load cell
I would have very much liked to have done that too, but my bugdet didn't particularly allow it 😉 however rocking the Logitech gear for around 10 years and _then_ upgrading really makes you appreciate how good the gear gets once you start spending a little more money. Still saving up for that Direct Drive though...
It's actually the resolution of the
Pedal the controls the movement
Having a better resolution helps so much with having smoother inputs 👍 but the way the pedal feels on your feet is definitely the biggest improvement with the Fanatec gear that I found. Being able to use more force and having more resistance is great, especially compared to the Logitech pedals...although you don't know these things until you try them, I was quite happy with the G29 for many years.
@@DDFRacer Have you tried the thrustmaster loadcell pedals . . .
@@azzazz4549 I haven't mate, only pedals I've ever owned or used are the Logitech ones and these new Fanatecs
Really fantastic content mate. You've got a good way with words, and have begun burning a fucking hole in my wallet. Is that affiliate link valid for a while? ...I need to save up
Cheers Chris! Apologies for the wallet hole situation mate 😬 I know that feeling all too well...
Regarding the link, as far as I'm aware it'll run for eternity and should, theoretically, outlast the entirety of the human race. Which is kind of daft because then there'd be no one left to actually use it and I doubt any interstellar visitors would be able to get their heads around the Paypal verification process 👽
@@DDFRacer Thanks for the reply mate - keep up the good work!
@@DDFRacer What do you think about the thrustmaster TLCM's?
@@cambuurleeuwarden Not much unfortunately since I've never had the opportunity to try them, sorry I couldn't be much more help mate!
Why did G29 not get flimed vs you in VR with loadcells? I don't understand this video at all.
I already recorded my G29 lap with the exact same car track combo in a previous video and already had the data so didn't need to do it again, have a look at my video titled "Become a better simracer by using to telemetry" 👍
Where’s the K2 ?
It's been delayed a little apparently. Had a chat with Nuno from Simetik and he said they were just finishing off the manufacturing on the new style keyboard/mouse/monitor attachments since the old ones from the K2 aren't compatible with the new K2-R that they make now. Should have been finished at the end of last week though so I might check in again and see where they're up to...will take another couple of weeks to ship over to me in Australia too. All being well, hopefully it should be here by the end of the month 🤞
I still don't quite get the reasoning behind the difference. Logitech pedals aren't "empty", they have a spring that resists your pressure, and as we know from Hooke's law, the force you apply on a spring and the distance it compresses/extends are directly related. So it doesn't matter what you measure - distance or force; if you know one, then you can calculate the other. And since there's a spring, your body can also learn what pressure you need to apply for X percent gas/brake, it's not solely distance and anything else.
I do get why people would prefer loadcell pedals anyway: at the very least they allow for more adjustments, you can make them feel exactly how you like it, and that makes them more comfortable and precise for you. Probably the overall quality also plays its role, the more solid and reliable they feel, the more you trust them.
Also the use of the rubber insert and the adjusted firmware for the latter half of the braking force makes them great to use regarding trail braking. I will be getting some thrustmaster t lcm pedals when they are back in stock though.
The adjustment in the V3s is a big plus compared to the G29s. Having the increased preload setting which bumps up the stiffness and reduces the travel helps massively with the braking feel. That said, how that analog physical input is converted into a digital signal makes a big difference. If the V3s used a potentiometer then it would have a much more limited range of values compared to a load cell, since the pedal would only be moving a little bit and positionally there wouldn't be much variation. You'd see an even more exaggerated effect of that notchiness I noticed in the throttle through the telemetry. However since the loadcell measures the pressure applied (not physical distance) then you can get a much better range of values, despite the reduced travel...which means a greater resolution on the data and also better smoothness too. This pressure reading also stays consistent if you then decide to soften up or stiffen the pedal even more.
I think the problem with the standard G29 springs is not that they're empty but that they're pretty weak, much like the shifter feels too. They don't provide enough meaningful resistance when under compression to provide meaninful feedback through the leg/foot so you can be left guessing a little at times. Sure an after market stronger spring upgrade can be fitted but by the time you've spent the money on these bits and installed them you might as well have spent the money on the better pedals, especially considering the increasing price of Logitech gear and narrowing price gap to brands like Thrustmaster and Fanatec.
You're spot on when you say overall quality and solidness plays a role though, since you can really apply a lot of force to the V3s and get away with it. Infact, at the moment I can't apply anywhere near maximum pressure since I haven't got the pedals bolted down and anytime I try and stamp on them super hard the whole pedal base lifts up 😅
@@DDFRacer one viable option to get that brake feel for g29 pedals is the axm true brake that srg reviewed a couple months back. Its not stupidly expensive at ~£60 and it has a much better pot to give you that sensitivity along with the shorter pedal travel. Sure its not a set of fanatecs but it can save you £100 and do a decent job from what i have seen.
@vsm1 One person here gets it, lets go!
I'm using good old G27 pot with HALF the bitrate (7bit) and it still would be "enough" precision for relatively high gamma (high stiffness) braking IMHO. It really comes down to construction. People compare properly done load cell installation to crappy "haven't put much effort into making sure it fits my rig correctly" pot brakes and feel like they spent money well.
Also yeah load cells don't really measure "pressure" any different than pots (by changing resistance with distance), the difference is only with the stepping. Nor they provide more "feedback" than a pot. That depends on apparent pedal stiffness, which changes with pedal spring, rig strength and seating position, not with sensor tech.
I'll buy load cell when i find somebody that can consistently outbrake me on my shitty modded half rate G27 pedals with them, hasn't happened yet.
(Not denying quality advantages of load cells over pots, but the hype around them is just stupid.)
@@lingSpeed and this is what I love about sim racing, there's no particular one way that's right or wrong, it all comes down to personal preference. Some of the fastest people out there use Logitech gear so it's clearly good enough, it's ultimately just a matter of using it properly and driver skill...if you're good enough then you're good enough, no matter what gear you use.
I can confirm I'm definitely not good enough so having something that's much better built definitely helps, but maybe the video should be more along the lines of 'V3 vs G29' instead of 'Potentiometer vs Loadcell' 🤔 I don't know, still working this out as I go really, I've only had these pedals a few week.
Although I liked what you said about "making sure it fits my rig correctly" as I'm currently using these V3s underneath a cheapo wooden desk, on top of the box my oculus came in and some foam from the Fanatec box to prop the angle up a little 😂 definitely far from a rig set up. The G29s were in exactly the same position with the same setup so, as far as my own personal experience goes at least, this is as direct a comparison as I can get.
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Cheers Paul, glad you enjoyed it! Thank you so much for signing up as a channel member too 😁
Me, racing on a controller:
A few years ago I raced in a series called the Virtual Endurance Championship in rFactor 2, sharing an LMP2 car with a couple of other drivers for races between 6 and 12 hours. One of those guys was Lazaros Fillipakos, one of the fastest guys I've ever known in sim racing and he was consistently able to set the fastest times in our car...using a controller 😉 so don't let that hold you back mate. If you're good enough you'll always rise to the top, no matter the equipment you use 👍
@@DDFRacer I'm slowly figuring things out, there's plenty of good motivation going around these days. I just wanted to point some fun lol
This video is so easy to translate.
I bought some new pedals that work in a different way, I want to show why they are better by using evidence which proves nothing other than I have become a better driver which may or may not be due to the pedal change, because of the change it can't be proven either way. Correlation and Causation are very different things.
Muscle memory is muscle memory regardless of it being distance or pressure, none of the systems are better that the other, they simply have a different feel.
In terms of pure data, the V3 pedals are definitely an improvement over the G29. You can see on the throttle and brake traces in the video, they're smoother and less blocky/bitty due to the better quality (and higher resolution) sensors. I was also able to modulate my inputs much more effectively. The two laps between G29 and V3 were done pretty much back to back which eliminates the possibility of me becoming a better driver between pedal sets, although that said, this video was recorded over two years ago when I had a *lot* of experience on the G29 and was still fresh on the V3s. Surely that would have skewed the data in favour of the Logitech pedals since they would have so much muscle memory attached to them? No doubt my driving has improved in the last few years, if I was to run the laps again on both Fanatec and Logitech gear I suspect the results may be even more in favour of the Fanatec pedals. Besides, if changing pedals makes me a better driver, then doesn't that validate the whole point of this video being 'What Makes Load Cell Pedals Better?'
In terms of feel, the V3 pedals are definitely an improvement too, as the build quality is a noticeable upgrade and the adjustable springs/dampers also give you the ability to tailor the forces required to your preferences. If you press a G29 brake pedal down, you'll reach the end of the travel with a certain amount of pressure, usually not much unless you third party mod it with extra rubber inserts, whereas with the V3 you'll always be able to apply more pressure regardless of the pedal position. The upper limit on what the software considers 100% input is based on how hard you can stomp your foot when you calibrate it. The adjustable amount of travel to reach that pressure also gives you much better control over how much braking you can apply and how progressively you reach that amount.
Managing the weight transfer more effectively in the braking zone and corner entry is the key to getting the car to stick more throughout the corners and can gain a significant amount of lap time 👍 in my opinion, based on my personal experiences from over 15 years of sim racing, a better brake pedal is the single most effective upgrade you can make.
@@DDFRacer Hey great reply.
It was an old video, but to me it was a new watch.
At no point did I say it wasn't an upgrade, or even better equipment. I upgraded from logitech pedals a long time ago too.
I criticized the evidence which was being presented as validation because it is/was meaningless.
When you apply brake is nothing to do with hardware, if you don't brake at 100% when 100% is the easiest amount to be absolute with on the Logitech, only you can be at fault, how much you accelerate is nothing to do with hardware. you are comparing your personal performance and correlating it to the hardware. To compare the hardware the human needs to be removed.
A more accurate better and more honest video would have been.
I have bought this fanatec pedal set and it has given me the confidence to drive harder so I am improving my lap times.
With so much (good) explanation you failed on the most important; how much... Because in the end everything is about the price (for some of us) .... Sorry if you reveal the price later in the video at that time I lost interest....
Hey Luis, thanks for the comment mate 👍 I intentionally left the price aspect out of the video because it was more of a comparison between the specific performance on track than an overall product review. Also, the cost of equipment depends on where you're based in the world, which retailer you're purchasing the pedals from (also the different models available eg. inverted vs non-inverted) and can change rather quickly depending on the supply or release of new products. For example, the price I paid less than 12 months ago is now $100AUD more expensive than I can currently purchase these pedals for.
Sit on your hands dude.
I tried that once, but I couldn't steer the car very well 🤔
Why do the Fanatecs look uglier than the Logitechs, lol
Not sure sure what you mean there 🤔 I mean, I've personally never even considered the aesthetic value of sim racing pedals before so I'm genuinely interested what does or doesn't make them good looking.