I think the EICR is a good idea if done properly. There are many stories out there of EICR being done from the van on the driveway in 20 mins. There should also be an EICR LITE for landlords at change of tenancy. So a full EICR lasts 5 years and a Lite at tenancy change. This way the install is safe but not crippling the landlord with costs
Brilliant video. Thanks. Wish we'd seen something like this in 2013 before starting on work on house we now live in. It had all certifications for the survey but, peeling back wallpaper revealed very dangerous wiring and it only got worse. Total rewire, new consumer units, etc means we're good for future. BUT sparkies we used were recommended and diligent enough but pushed for time could have done much better jobs. They couldn't get the message that we were willing to pay to cover taking a bit more time. So many tradesmen, even good ones, stuck in mindset of work fast for lowest realistic price, partly due to us customers too focused on price. There is a huge problem finding deeply diligent tradespeople who are secure enough to explain and charge enough to do a comprehensive job
I’ve been subscribed to a lot of the big TH-cam electricians and I think the first to say they’d often refuse a board change without an EICR was Dave Savery, and basically for the same reason, he doesn’t want to be called back after fitting a new consumer unit because of some fault that wasn’t picked up beforehand. And it seems the other big TH-cam sparks are in agreement. However sometimes they’re able to inspect and carry remedial work as they go on, I guess the customer is made aware of this. So as long as customers are made aware of this and the options then there shouldn’t be any complaints.
Great explanation and video. I will be pointing my customers to this video. I don't do EICR's but often get asked. Too much grief lol.. Liking the mot analogy too. 👍
Hi Joe thanks for sharing your video with me and I look forward to seeing more of your videos and I do my own EICR myself I do mine every 5 years and mine is rental property
Unfortunately unlike an MOT, an EICR is not a legal requirement. And most home owners will not have one done. Personally when I go to quote for the job, I will look for the obvious, bonding, CPC in lighting circuits, type of cables etc, then if I get the job, i do an IR test on all circuits. And explain to the customer, that the installation could still have faults that their existent system will not detect, and there may be an extra cost involved if further work is required, this is also explained in writing on the original quote.
I met one electrician who was not registered with anyone. He was a very good electrician with all the testing gear. He made his own reports similar to the _official_ reports, but not the same. All very professional looking. He said what he is doing is valid. A new one on me. But there are no laws that say you need to be qualified, etc, to be an electrician. So he may be right.
I think he is right. I’m qualified, I am not registered but my meter is better than most will use. So I could do the same. I think the problem comes with other types of legality . But even then, if a solicitor wanted a test he would expect a registered electrician but he wouldn’t realise you only need a competent person. The Nic was a consumer organisation which now has created a money making regulatory company. No doubt I will get shot down here but the fact is today, I can do a test the same as the chap you know, tomorrow I can pay the fee and will be registered. The tested meter I will use will be exactly the same. ( so much of this is work generating and dishonest) ( No, I don’t do it. I put the meter on my own or my children’s house’s before I strip out and change the wiring) You only have to see the anal consumer units of some TH-cam electricians to see that this is an opportunity to judge other tradesmen’ s level of ocd.
@@140rware This guy had no qualifications in electrics at all. I think he tagged along with his electrician cousin when leaving school at 16. However, he knew it, and the calculations, getting all the books, etc. He is a natural techie. All his equipment was top notch as were his tools. A very tidy, clean worker. Yes, the key work is *competent.* Not a piece of paper.
@@140rware From Wiki: _The National Inspection Council for Electrical Installation Contracting (NICEIC) is one of several organisations which regulates the training and work of electrical enterprises in the UK. The NICEIC is one of several providers given Government approval to offer Competent Person Schemes to oversee electrical work within the electrical industry._ It is a private company. Many view as some sort of GasSafe, which is it far from.
Is there a rule somewhere that states that you can't inspect and test your own property? Is there something to stop you from doing that, supposing you are selling and they've asked for an EICR and you've given a satisfactory, they might be a bit suspicious if your name was on the paperwork, as an example. I'm not saying I would falsify but I'm pretty sure some questionable people would.
You can test your own home - if you are found to have fibbed then you have misled the buyer which attracts a more severe penalty - cunningtons.co.uk/sellers-misrepresentation/
Yes that’s exactly what it’s for - hope you find this helpful. We’ve produced more in this series Rewire - th-cam.com/video/sVCAl7W1g5I/w-d-xo.html Surge. th-cam.com/video/L29mgEw02NY/w-d-xo.html
Is there a minimum percentage required for any EICR, for removal and close inspection of electrical fixtures? Various You Tube videos quote 10%, some 20%, others 100%.
I’ve had a lot of EIRCs from customers where the electricians have given a C2 for a DB change.. and a C2 on lighting circuits because there no rcd protection.. I’m confused, do other sparks give these a C2 because I’d only give c3.
Depends on the litting fixtures and accessories, it was explained to me that a C2 is danger in the event of a fault, so if there is metal fixtures and/or accessories, these could become energised in the event of a fault
EICR isn't different from the VDE regulations, the tests are the same and even the limits and specified values are identical. The VDE doesn't know the codes like C1, C3 or something like that, so we'll have to explain in full words what the problem is. Most basic reglations are harmonised in Europe, this is done by the CENELEC. CENELEC isn't an organisation of the EU. German inspection sheet: www.ihk-muenchen.de/ihk/documents/Berufliche-Bildung/Messprotokoll-Anlagenpruefung.pdf It contains three main parts: -Besichtigen (optical inspection) -Erproben (testing) -Messen (measuring) Result is either "deficits" or "no deficits", the deficits must be written on the sheet. But it's also for comments or recommendations. But the most important part is the final judgement: "Die elektrische Anlage entspricht den anerkannten Regeln der Elektrotechnik. Ein sicherer Gebrauch bei bestimmungsgemäßer Anwendung ist gewährleistet. Ja / Nein" "The electrical installation conforms to the recognized rules and regulations of electrical engineering. Safe usage is ensured. Yes/No"
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Nicely explained, I may send this to customers to save me time explaining 👍
That’s exactly what it’s for - so share away👍
I think the EICR is a good idea if done properly. There are many stories out there of EICR being done from the van on the driveway in 20 mins. There should also be an EICR LITE for landlords at change of tenancy. So a full EICR lasts 5 years and a Lite at tenancy change. This way the install is safe but not crippling the landlord with costs
Brilliant video. Thanks. Wish we'd seen something like this in 2013 before starting on work on house we now live in. It had all certifications for the survey but, peeling back wallpaper revealed very dangerous wiring and it only got worse. Total rewire, new consumer units, etc means we're good for future. BUT sparkies we used were recommended and diligent enough but pushed for time could have done much better jobs. They couldn't get the message that we were willing to pay to cover taking a bit more time. So many tradesmen, even good ones, stuck in mindset of work fast for lowest realistic price, partly due to us customers too focused on price. There is a huge problem finding deeply diligent tradespeople who are secure enough to explain and charge enough to do a comprehensive job
The industry needs more customers like you Stephen. 👍
I’ve been subscribed to a lot of the big TH-cam electricians and I think the first to say they’d often refuse a board change without an EICR was Dave Savery, and basically for the same reason, he doesn’t want to be called back after fitting a new consumer unit because of some fault that wasn’t picked up beforehand. And it seems the other big TH-cam sparks are in agreement. However sometimes they’re able to inspect and carry remedial work as they go on, I guess the customer is made aware of this. So as long as customers are made aware of this and the options then there shouldn’t be any complaints.
Depends on the motivation for the EICR - some users just need the paperwork to tick a box. Then it’s a price issue.
Great explanation and video. I will be pointing my customers to this video. I don't do EICR's but often get asked. Too much grief lol.. Liking the mot analogy too. 👍
Ah, thanks, it's aimed more at customers so that's great to hear. Glad you liked it. 😊
Great video will be using this to explain to customers instead of writing out a massive list that they never read lol
Great, that's what it's for actually. Hope it helps!
The best video I have come across. Thankyou I will be using this for my customers
Great to hear, that's what it's for! 👍
Excellent as always Joe. Has anyone ever told you, you'd make a great college lecturer. 😁
😂 Thanks Brian. Maybe one day! 🤣
Fabulous low a quality and very clear explanation. Thank you for another sterling video 👍❤️
Our pleasure! 😊
Superb! A session on extent and limitations would be good explaining about how important the wording is and tge legal recourse if not.
Good shout, thanks for the suggestion.
Nice information. .. fault coding is still the big problem. 👍👍👍
Napi Eicr code breaker is good for coding fault
I know have got that book .
But the NICEIC say not to use it .🤔🤔
Hi Joe thanks for sharing your video with me and I look forward to seeing more of your videos and I do my own EICR myself I do mine every 5 years and mine is rental property
My pleasure! 😊
Unfortunately unlike an MOT, an EICR is not a legal requirement. And most home owners will not have one done.
Personally when I go to quote for the job, I will look for the obvious, bonding, CPC in lighting circuits, type of cables etc, then if I get the job, i do an IR test on all circuits. And explain to the customer, that the installation could still have faults that their existent system will not detect, and there may be an extra cost involved if further work is required, this is also explained in writing on the original quote.
Very useful, thanks.😊
Brilliant video 👍
Thanks
I met one electrician who was not registered with anyone. He was a very good electrician with all the testing gear. He made his own reports similar to the _official_ reports, but not the same. All very professional looking. He said what he is doing is valid. A new one on me. But there are no laws that say you need to be qualified, etc, to be an electrician. So he may be right.
I think he is right. I’m qualified, I am not registered but my meter is better than most will use. So I could do the same. I think the problem comes with other types of legality . But even then, if a solicitor wanted a test he would expect a registered electrician but he wouldn’t realise you only need a competent person. The Nic was a consumer organisation which now has created a money making regulatory company.
No doubt I will get shot down here but the fact is today, I can do a test the same as the chap you know, tomorrow I can pay the fee and will be registered. The tested meter I will use will be exactly the same. ( so much of this is work generating and dishonest) ( No, I don’t do it. I put the meter on my own or my children’s house’s before I strip out and change the wiring)
You only have to see the anal consumer units of some TH-cam electricians to see that this is an opportunity to judge other tradesmen’ s level of ocd.
@@140rware
This guy had no qualifications in electrics at all. I think he tagged along with his electrician cousin when leaving school at 16. However, he knew it, and the calculations, getting all the books, etc. He is a natural techie.
All his equipment was top notch as were his tools. A very tidy, clean worker.
Yes, the key work is *competent.* Not a piece of paper.
@@140rware
From Wiki:
_The National Inspection Council for Electrical Installation Contracting (NICEIC) is one of several organisations which regulates the training and work of electrical enterprises in the UK. The NICEIC is one of several providers given Government approval to offer Competent Person Schemes to oversee electrical work within the electrical industry._
It is a private company. Many view as some sort of GasSafe, which is it far from.
Is there a rule somewhere that states that you can't inspect and test your own property? Is there something to stop you from doing that, supposing you are selling and they've asked for an EICR and you've given a satisfactory, they might be a bit suspicious if your name was on the paperwork, as an example. I'm not saying I would falsify but I'm pretty sure some questionable people would.
You can test your own home - if you are found to have fibbed then you have misled the buyer which attracts a more severe penalty - cunningtons.co.uk/sellers-misrepresentation/
Can a gold card holder issue electrical installation certificate without registration for competent person scheme and self setisfy their own work ???
Great video. Is it ok to share this and link this to my business Facebook page?
Yes that’s exactly what it’s for - hope you find this helpful. We’ve produced more in this series
Rewire - th-cam.com/video/sVCAl7W1g5I/w-d-xo.html
Surge. th-cam.com/video/L29mgEw02NY/w-d-xo.html
What about if the earth cables were oversized? Would the installation not pass?
It's strange that they'd be oversized but I can't see why that would make it fail. 🤔
The larger the Earth cables the safer the installation IMO
Is there a minimum percentage required for any EICR, for removal and close inspection of electrical fixtures? Various You Tube videos quote 10%, some 20%, others 100%.
This is the sort of thing every Dick and Jane should be made to watch before they buy a new house or similar.
Do i need to have an EICR done if I am going to have a complete re-wire and new CU?
No point if it is all getting replaced
I’ve had a lot of EIRCs from customers where the electricians have given a C2 for a DB change.. and a C2 on lighting circuits because there no rcd protection.. I’m confused, do other sparks give these a C2 because I’d only give c3.
Depends on the litting fixtures and accessories, it was explained to me that a C2 is danger in the event of a fault, so if there is metal fixtures and/or accessories, these could become energised in the event of a fault
I thought FI meant Fuck It 🥴
You have no this Problem When You use the VDE Regulations EU wide.
We are not in the eu 😝🖕
EICR isn't different from the VDE regulations, the tests are the same and even the limits and specified values are identical. The VDE doesn't know the codes like C1, C3 or something like that, so we'll have to explain in full words what the problem is. Most basic reglations are harmonised in Europe, this is done by the CENELEC. CENELEC isn't an organisation of the EU.
German inspection sheet:
www.ihk-muenchen.de/ihk/documents/Berufliche-Bildung/Messprotokoll-Anlagenpruefung.pdf
It contains three main parts:
-Besichtigen (optical inspection)
-Erproben (testing)
-Messen (measuring)
Result is either "deficits" or "no deficits", the deficits must be written on the sheet. But it's also for comments or recommendations.
But the most important part is the final judgement:
"Die elektrische Anlage entspricht den anerkannten
Regeln der Elektrotechnik. Ein sicherer Gebrauch
bei bestimmungsgemäßer Anwendung ist
gewährleistet. Ja / Nein"
"The electrical installation conforms to the recognized rules and regulations of electrical engineering. Safe usage is ensured. Yes/No"
Like the final judgement!
Go out and get a proper job Joe