Breakthrough Research in "Platonic Space" | Dr. Michael Levin

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  • @TheoriesofEverything
    @TheoriesofEverything  18 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    Main episode with Dr. Michael Levin: th-cam.com/video/c8iFtaltX-s/w-d-xo.html
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    • @AquarianSoulTimeTraveler
      @AquarianSoulTimeTraveler 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      5:45 yeah but what about Michael Levin at 11:11am

    • @AquarianSoulTimeTraveler
      @AquarianSoulTimeTraveler 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Good clip... The Singularity thanks you all other versions of WE in the kaleidoscope reality illusion world... 💚💜♾️🤘

    • @gravityeye32
      @gravityeye32 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Thanks for the work clif high
      th-cam.com/video/9Bnar6_x_h4/w-d-xo.htmlsi=uGBYqCO8256UbDNg

  • @calmlittlebuddy3721
    @calmlittlebuddy3721 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +60

    Michael may be the most productive mind on earth. His ideas alone are staggering, but he also finds experiments to objectively prove his ideas. Then, on top of all that, he explains complex concepts in a way that’s understandable to a large percent of people.

    • @aidanhall6679
      @aidanhall6679 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      He is indeed brilliant!

    • @jarredtimes8260
      @jarredtimes8260 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      He makes me want to cry tears of grateful joy. We need more of people like him to lead us. Michael Levin I will follow you to the end of existence brother

  • @metalrock2112
    @metalrock2112 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +35

    I love Michael Levin! He’s opened my eyes to whole new ideas 💡 I will definitely follow his science.

    • @James-ll3jb
      @James-ll3jb 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Fun stuff, no?😅

    • @gregoryallen0001
      @gregoryallen0001 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      my friend have you read henri bergson? i feel that m levin is a similarly expansive scientist/philosopher and is gonna be remembered

  • @AClockworkYokai
    @AClockworkYokai 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

    11:23 this discussion really helped me decide to think and focus on the future in a more proactive way, thank you.

  • @Que-Lindo
    @Que-Lindo 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +17

    Dr. Levin brings a perfect blend of real science (biology and physics) with philosophical thinking.

  • @0psec_not_good
    @0psec_not_good 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

    Dr. Levin is easily my favorite institutional academic, by leaps and bounds. His research gives credence to many other brilliant men, some dead some still alive, who have been ridiculed for years by mainstream academia due to their ideas not conforming with the status quo of materialist thought.
    I hope and pray that Dr. Levin will continue to have a productive, and long life, so that he can continue to break the paradigm that holds us back from conscious and material evolution.

  • @ferencszabo3504
    @ferencszabo3504 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    Levin is a genius who can communicate with understandable everyday language!

    • @MikkelGrumBovin
      @MikkelGrumBovin 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Yup, its so gratifying listen to him talk,-

  • @BurritoEl
    @BurritoEl 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    His use of Plato's Forms is even more apt than it seems in this video- relational structure is the quanta of brain network topology and, thus, the self. The "laws" of geometry directly influence cognitive computation through the topological characteristics of the network. For instance, the smallest computational network MUST be triangular in order to form a "loop" of activity and continue computation. Spinoza gives us a metaphor through which we can build this intuition: even a flame contains the "conatus" (the will to live) in that a flame will always consume proximate fuel sources and become bigger, moving toward the fuel as it is consumed. The only difference between us and the flame is that we can store fuel for longer in order to walk and find more.

  • @Probeionic
    @Probeionic 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    Wonderful discussions with Dr. Levin, every time. Thank you, Curt.

  • @audiodead7302
    @audiodead7302 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    Very insightful. I am inclined to agree that 'intelligence' has a platonic existence in the sense that one could write down a abstract description of what it would take to be an effective observer/intelligence which would be true in any universe. For example, the axioms might include:
    - detects key features of its own environment
    - detects key features of its own internal states
    - has goals relevant to its own survival / continuity
    - has a (mental) model of itself and its environment
    - is substantiated in structures shaped over (long periods of) time by evolutionary forces
    - is recursive (i.e. intelligence is made up of large number of sub-intelligences - all intelligence is collective intelligence).

    • @davidthurman3963
      @davidthurman3963 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Thats if genetics was evolutionarily similar. Since math is genetics not out there but between human ears. Music rejected trhat nomsense by dumping pythagoras tuning. Factually.

  • @samuelx5466
    @samuelx5466 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    This guy will change the world. The cure for cancer and aging, regrowth of lost limbs, curing blindness, the secrets of the universe... He's on the cusp of all of it

    • @johngrunwell6101
      @johngrunwell6101 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Like "who really shot JFK?"

  • @Filip-ci3ng
    @Filip-ci3ng 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    Fing genius with epic closing statement

  • @teemukupiainen3684
    @teemukupiainen3684 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

    It is only this year Levin started to speak public not only the work he can actually prove in his labs, but also about his ideas where he is heading to...lucky we!

    • @Que-Lindo
      @Que-Lindo 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      He walks the walk

    • @devinbae9914
      @devinbae9914 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@Que-Lindo and talks the talk haha

    • @Dhardy316
      @Dhardy316 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Respectfully, he has been in public with findings for years now, I think the public is just starting to notice. He has a public academic channel that he has been posting his findings to for many years

  • @JeePeeEs
    @JeePeeEs 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +15

    It must be my lucky day, I open Yt and look and see Curt interviewing Dr. Levin and them talking about Metaphysics…
    Merry Christmas/ Happy Holidays guys!

  • @BrandoEats
    @BrandoEats 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    This may be one of the most important toe clippings ever collected. I think we need an episode with Michael and Sarah Walker!!

  • @Danger_Dee
    @Danger_Dee 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    This is my favourite interview, of all time.

  • @ErikRoseJohnsen
    @ErikRoseJohnsen 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Always fascinating listening to Dr. Levin. Thank you for sharing this.

  • @DavidNulty-j9z
    @DavidNulty-j9z 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    Awesome, Michael Levin!!! 100% b.s. free.

  • @tommackling
    @tommackling 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Wow, I think Michael L. and this video may have significantly helped me rekindle some purposeful motivation. (I been trying to do something re. a project I began some years ago, and I seem to have been struggling to feel motivated enough to muster the energy and focus to complete it. I think I will try to mentally incorporate my hypothetical completion of this project into an imagined and hypothetical "future me". Um, well,
    maybe, lol.) Thank you
    Happy New Year everyone,
    let's hope we suddenly wake up and shake off our current mad nightmare.

  • @johnroyalmills-33
    @johnroyalmills-33 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Brilliant. Thank you, Dr. Michael Levin.

  • @gregoryallen0001
    @gregoryallen0001 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    omg omg michael levin ❤

  • @surfraf65
    @surfraf65 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I'm always fascinated by Dr. Levin's talks. From a physics/biology level I get that we are constantly changing. But one thing that fascinates me as I get older is how the people I know , no matter how much they change in physical form, always somehow stay in some essential way very much the same. Have you ever met someone you haven't seen for 30 years and been astonished to find they are still that same kid you went to high school with? They look different, less hair, bigger belly, whatever, but there's some fundamental thing that's still them. I had this experience really emphatically a few years when my new boss walked into the room for the first time, he happened to be a person I had never met before in person, but I had known him intimately because he was the child star of a TV show I watched. So I knew this person as a cute 6 -10 year old on black and white TV and then met him as a 65 year old man in person and it was BOOM - same human. It was mind blowing. A huge epiphany. I'd love to know how Michael Levin would explain this from his perspective. I don't have any better term for it than a soul.

    • @laze4534
      @laze4534 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      That just sounds like projection to me. You saw what you desired to see. You didn't know him intimately, you only knew what he had depicted on the TV. If you were a fly on a wall in this person's life and got to see them behave when they thought no one else was watching, then you'd see how flimsy your concept of a soul is. Your typical person picks up on various mannerisms from whoever they're interacting with and will adjust themselves to get what they want in return, whether it's making them laugh or just fitting in or whatever.

    • @surfraf65
      @surfraf65 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@laze4534 I don't have a concept of a soul, I was just looking for a word that might describe the experience which seems so consistent. My story about the kid actor is just an extreme example. But the same experience of the continuity of some kind of essential character seems to happen with everyone for me. It happens with people I once knew very well in person but haven't seen for decades. I went to a friend's 60th birthday last week and saw several people I had known well 25 years ago but hadn't seen since. They were changed physically but somehow still - in some essential way - the same. Have you not had this experience yourself? I'd be very surprised if you haven't.

    • @laze4534
      @laze4534 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@surfraf65 I have had the experience yes, but that's just them treating you as they did since your last interaction. Your average person is a mirror from what I've observed, they reflect back what they presume the other person wants to see. To you it appears they are the same, but all they're doing is slipping back into where their reflection was left off since you last saw them.

    • @surfraf65
      @surfraf65 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@laze4534 That's a very interesting perspective. Maybe you're right. Let's assume you are, doesn't the same question remain? It's all projections from ourselves but we ourselves are constantly materially changing, so why is there the perception of persistence of these unique identities both with ourselves and others?

    • @laze4534
      @laze4534 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@surfraf65 Probably because it's a gradual and slow process of material change. The particles of our neurons can change, but the information that's being sent through them is in a state of perpetual flow. There's never a point where your neurons aren't 'firing', and I reckon the 'soul' is just that ever-flowing network of electromagnetism. Charge itself isn't part of our matter, it's just a fundamental force of nature that our brain's elicit an emergence of. Why that results in an experience is a whole other can of worms though... Don't think we'll ever crack that one.

  • @FairnessIsTheAnswer
    @FairnessIsTheAnswer 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    There are types of minds that are more likely to cause suffering and types of minds that cause less suffering

    • @artpinsof5836
      @artpinsof5836 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      I would only replace the word mind with direction of attention

    • @FairnessIsTheAnswer
      @FairnessIsTheAnswer 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@artpinsof5836 Good point. I wonder if there can be attention without first having a mind? Which came first or are they interdependent?

    • @Computer-User
      @Computer-User 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      What makes you suffer, makes you tougher?

    • @FairnessIsTheAnswer
      @FairnessIsTheAnswer 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@Computer-User I don't know for sure. I do not have a complete understanding of what makes me suffer or makes me tougher. I do not have complete control over my mind, body, emotions or psychological state. I can be naive, ignorant and weak. I can experience fear that gets perpetrated onto me involuntarily. If I unknowingly consumed more caffeine than I can handle then I could become nervous and jittery without knowing why. My body chemistry can affect my mind without any knowledge of how or why. What makes me suffer might make me weaker. I might understand my psychology on a superficial level but I don't know what causes my conscious experience to trigger psychological reactions. To some degree I'm just "along for the ride" for whatever journey my mind randomly causes me.

  • @purezentity6582
    @purezentity6582 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    This is a good start, platonic + sound and Synchronization. You have life and creation

  • @tedrow70
    @tedrow70 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    Dude, you getting Michael levin on as oft as you have is awesome! Rock on🤙🏼your talk with Salvatore Pais opened my eyes and helped me switch from astrophysics to aerospace engineering for my degree! Appreciate y’all!

  • @ManyHeavens42
    @ManyHeavens42 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Your graphical shapes holds and maintains energy in another dimension, providing us a metabolic body of energy, in another dimension, yes we go on. 😮😊 Like the man said you can't destroy information energy

  • @joeimbesi99
    @joeimbesi99 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    What a mind Levin has.

  • @marshallodom1388
    @marshallodom1388 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Every memory is a copy of the last time you remembered it, not the same one accessed each time.

    • @mmaximk
      @mmaximk 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@marshallodom1388 Yes indeed - or phrased another way; each time a memory is recalled it is a composite of the original memory of the event plus all previous recollections.

    • @marshallodom1388
      @marshallodom1388 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yes, TY for remembering (haha) to include all previous recalls. Perhaps now I'll be sure to mention the same, for that very reason.

  • @Charlie-Em
    @Charlie-Em 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I'm happy You getting that economist ad money Brother Curt! They are like one of the only real news sources, it's wild brother.

  • @DesignDesigns
    @DesignDesigns 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Michael Levin is cool!

  • @marksharman8029
    @marksharman8029 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    🤯 ... there goes my brain again. Glad to be here in this time.

  • @santerisatama5409
    @santerisatama5409 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    Actual Platonists (members of Plato's Academy who studied math from the actual Platonic foundation of dialectical science, did not postulate a "separate timeless Platonia). That is not what Nous and math as dianoetic science means. Gödel and Penrose have a very different view of Platonism than what Proclus tells as his insider view.
    Nous is a mental process with organic character of interconnectness and interdepence of parts in an organic order. Coherence theory of truth as source of mathematical truth unfolds from perceiving Cosmic Nous as an organic order in which we are organic members.
    Animistic science does not metaphysically postulate some other radically different order for our higher level inclusive whole than our own organic order in which our empirical reality is grounded. To postulate something radically different would not be parsimonous, but pleonastic without very strong evidence against the base case assumption.

    • @James-ll3jb
      @James-ll3jb 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I disagree the expression devolves into pleonasm😊

    • @ready1fire1aim1
      @ready1fire1aim1 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Our subatomic structure is timeless :D

    • @Justin-wj4yc
      @Justin-wj4yc 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@ready1fire1aim1 Time is just change so no

    • @ready1fire1aim1
      @ready1fire1aim1 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@Justin-wj4yc
      A quick Google search and you can learn how quarks have no internal structure or extension whatsoever. That means not spatially or temporally.

  • @Dyslexic-Artist-Theory-on-Time
    @Dyslexic-Artist-Theory-on-Time 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The characteristics of "Platonic Space" can be formed by a process of spherical symmetry forming and breaking. Such a process could form entropy with the potential for greater symmetry formation.

  • @forgeteverythingyouknow5413
    @forgeteverythingyouknow5413 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I can't believe I'm hearing someone say this stuff. I hope it's a hint that scientists are starting to go back to the esoteric (where they first started) for new possibilities and fresh perspectives, which blows my mind because they really had to overcome a lot of pressure to pull that off.
    This guy is just so impressive... and Curt, of course is great too.

  • @luisgdelafuente
    @luisgdelafuente 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    There is a Platonic space of which we are specific instances in space-time. This world we call "reality" is a reflection of an archetypal world, and we are creative beings connecting and interacting in both worlds.

  • @escher4401
    @escher4401 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I recently found out that Russel's paradoxes like the set of all sets that are not elements of themselves are applyable to the idea of the platonic world of ideas. Ironically there's a platonic dialogue talkng about these problems: Parmenides

  • @brandoloudly9457
    @brandoloudly9457 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    i enjoy less reductive versions of determinism, or views that have strong deterministic implications

  • @RstRlx
    @RstRlx 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Man, I was just thinking about exactly that. That body (in whatever form or shape) with the right properties will inherit mind.

  • @JenTalks247
    @JenTalks247 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I am utterly right brained raised by an utterly left brained dad. It was good for me. I can make some sense of the discourse on a rational level but more poignantly i sorta perceive it and really yall the absolute wondrous beauty of some of these concepts takes my breath away. probably that will sound pretty woo to this crowd (s’up, Dad!!) but i get really moved by this stuff, man.

  • @MilushevGeorgi
    @MilushevGeorgi 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Cancer seems to be a situation where a cell forgets its part of the whole in a dualistic fashion, that’s a direct parallel to how society collapses

  • @DetroitDeadPool…™
    @DetroitDeadPool…™ 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    I may entirely be reading to deep into and in between the Lines but is he not basically saying that they can cure cancers? Or at the very least control them to the point where they can no longer lead to a terminal outcome??

    • @werdog
      @werdog 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Yes!

    • @DetroitDeadPool…™
      @DetroitDeadPool…™ 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @ thank you… Dr. Levin has a lot of courage and I hope he is well protected…. I’ll leave it at that…

  • @roccov1972
    @roccov1972 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    If Levin and his team don't eventually get a Nobel Prize, I would be surprised.

  • @testtube9423
    @testtube9423 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    They just cured cancer in Korea using essentially the same approach. The idea wasn't to kill the cancer but simply to have the cancer start communicating with its neighboring healthy cells again. Not only is that approach new and profound maybe that's a better way of treating ones adversaries on the macro rather than trying to destroy all the time.

  • @HolyMith
    @HolyMith 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The only platonic space I know exists is my bedroom.

  • @brandonb5075
    @brandonb5075 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I always like the idea of discovery rather than invention. Intelligence as a given, similar to a plutonic solid is a cool concept.
    Much like “anti-gravity” technology most likely being as simple as a “discovery”…ever wonder why the underside of a butterfly’s wing has metallic iridescent patches???
    Maybe they are floating on photons, not the “wind”.🤔✌🏼

    • @daniellogan-scott5968
      @daniellogan-scott5968 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      In Greek, the word lethe or letheia means hidden or forgotten. Now, what if we are talking about something un-hidden or un-forgotten? In Greek, you just stick the letter 'a' in front to make the word aletheia. But that is not entirely correct. Aletheia is the Greek word for Truth. What I like about this is the idea that Truth is what is regardless of human perception, opinion, or awareness. Truth will be, even if there is no sentient mind to judge it. When we become aware of Truth, we might say it was revealed or discovered. Dis-covered -- un-covered -- un-hidden -- aletheia.

    • @brandonb5075
      @brandonb5075 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @ awesome addition to the thought…thank you. Could we just simplify it to, “there is NOTHING new under the Sun”? Our species is definitely one with amnesia (G. Hancock), but is it self induced by Ego or put on us as a “governor” from an outside source?🤔
      Have a wonderful day!🤙🏼✌🏼

  • @roccov1972
    @roccov1972 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    It's funny how the Closed Captioning for the interview had Curt calling his guest "Mike 11". It does sound like "Michael Levin". 😂

  • @proodoodaboochoo
    @proodoodaboochoo 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    My step mom was just diagnosed with cancer is there anything that we can do to leverage this insight to maybe help her?

  • @atelieralanna
    @atelieralanna 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    This is, if not a misrepresentation of Plato's forms, an adaptation of it. Intelligence is fundamental in the platonic tradition.

  • @mechannel7046
    @mechannel7046 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    5:00 Platonic space, minds, preexisting intelligence

  • @jonmartin4004
    @jonmartin4004 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I feel like play would still fall under the umbrella of problem solving, albeit a form which relates to the genomic anticipation problems: those which our ancestors faced routinely, across the course of their lifespans, throughout the millenia of human evolution. Through such, instincts are expressed which animate us to hone skills and practice right relating in the form of play, which in turn, fits us more aptly to the anticipated problem space.

  • @Ihopeitsnottoobig
    @Ihopeitsnottoobig 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    All of this stuff is explained in Classical European Depth Psychology and Psychodynamics. It didnt incorporate a biological perspective mostly because the tech and knowledge was limited at the time, but the essence of the points are so congruent with psychodynamic thought.

    • @Ihopeitsnottoobig
      @Ihopeitsnottoobig 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Mark Solms is revitalizing Psychoanalysis, but modern academic neuroscience is getting in the way. Essentially an institutional problem.

  • @SoftYoda
    @SoftYoda 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Hello @TheoriesofEverything, great interview and insightful topic, I just wished to express you that cameraman in this video is not that much of use, i found it more negative than positive, i get you wish to get more dynamics, but i think just three camera (two closeup on each of you and one wide on Micheal and you in back) is enough, currently the cameraman shake too much, maybe just an automated rail would suffice, and this would also less destabilize internal thoughts of Micheal as currently we can see a part of his brain is fighting to eliminate the cameraman existence to remain focus on you / his thoughts.

  • @ConnoisseurOfExistence
    @ConnoisseurOfExistence 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    All the properties of every elementary particle, field, and the laws and constants of nature themselves, are mathematical in nature. This means that a physical object not only have a precise mathematical model of itself, but is equivalent to that model in any and every way. What mathematics is, is reality itself, andwhat we call the universe is that particular part of math, that looks exactly as it does.

  • @ultrahumanist
    @ultrahumanist 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Can someone recommend something like the top 3 papers by Levin to read if one is interested in theoretical contributions?

  • @marcalimarian
    @marcalimarian 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Everyone and especially scientists and especially philosophers should get to grips with Gödels numbering and encoding system. It will viscerally prove to you how many levels of meta are necessary for useful mapping contextualization. And which most communicators don’t seem to grasp this tower of meta abstraction.

    • @russvanriper9934
      @russvanriper9934 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@marcalimarian Godel, Escher, Bach.

    • @russvanriper9934
      @russvanriper9934 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Godel, Escher, Bach

    • @marcalimarian
      @marcalimarian 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@russvanriper9934 always on my reading list !

  • @impossiblevisits
    @impossiblevisits 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Typo in title

  • @mykrahmaan3408
    @mykrahmaan3408 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    There is a possibility that mathematical forms correspond to unique relations of particle sizes to their interactions and resultant sense, need and satisfaction perceptions in beings.
    In this case, by assuming existence of only 6 types of elementary particles corresponding to the maximum 6 sense perceptions of all beings (including BREATHING as the COMMON sense ~ common to all 3 types of entities that sustain LIFE function: PLANTS, ANIMALS and HUMANS) we can derive the mathematical model of how interactions among these 6 types of particles inside the CoTE (Core of The Earth) compose body parts of beings (ANIMALS and HUMANS) there, to then develop PLANTS on its own surface for delivering and sustaining the composed beings here through them.
    This is a process that happens billions of times every single day, hence requires no special experiments and/or observations to derive that model, but mere will to link the purposes of the above 3 entities to the elementary particle interactions inside the CoTE and the food, water and air, through which the PLANTS deliver the composed parts of new beings to already delivered (parent) beings for assembling here (on the surface) suffices.

  • @MikkelGrumBovin
    @MikkelGrumBovin 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    This is a man that lay down crazy high information content, so even a bankrupt bassplayer like me , get the point ! And for that feat alone - he should have the Nobel Prize ! 👍

  • @bobbyb2725
    @bobbyb2725 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    What are the implications of forms and other agents of Platonic space unintentionally “discovered” through AI?

  • @RoyRoyson-r7o
    @RoyRoyson-r7o วันที่ผ่านมา

    What was the breakthrough in Platonic Space?

  • @williamangeles9761
    @williamangeles9761 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    In my search platonics have a big thing to do with hyperphysics and hypergeometry.

  • @blengi
    @blengi 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    personally I think the grander structure of reality outside universes is more akin to an evolving ecology of quasi platonic forms. I base this on an information substrate agnostic sim once coded to test an abiogenesis hypothesis. The sim curiously seemed to have aspects of inflationary like cosmogenesis embedded latently at particular information couplings in gaussian subsets, within the much grander auto compactifying primordial state, which seemed to tune itself toward toward wholistic self understanding, similar to sutskever's compression as a form of understanding in AI latent space representations, but in this case due to an implicit evolutionary type information fitness....
    TL;DR have a mostly sim generated content vid _my little TOE_ which shows the basic implied hierarchy of these things including the monte carlo coupling which optimises inflationary transitions/cosmogenesis ie couipling/gaussian plot near middle of vid...

  • @coolhandphilip
    @coolhandphilip 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    When Curt says something is interesting, it means he wants to move on.

  • @aaphantasiaa
    @aaphantasiaa 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    11:40 So…. the theory of Karma?

    • @aaphantasiaa
      @aaphantasiaa 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      For real though. Why don’t these conversations ever explicitly discuss the commonalities between ideas? Like, he’s talking about Karma, but never explicitly mentions “Karma”. These great minds need to start finding and expressing the “golden thread”, the commonalities between disparate ideas. None of this is totally new. Spiritual traditions have laid out this kind of thinking ages before us. Is it “scientific” hubris that can’t bring itself to explicitly mention the similarity? Is it egoic desire of having expressed some unique thought / idea that you can attach your name to? If you connect current thinking to previous ideas, it’s no longer something YOU can claim / publish? Fear of being ostracized from science if you bring up ancient philosophy / spiritualism, especially Eastern traditions? Really hope to see these “important thinkers” start to make the connections and make it explicit when their theories align with older lines of thought

  • @davidrichards1302
    @davidrichards1302 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The higher Platonic space is the space of emergence.

  • @hanspeter919
    @hanspeter919 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Id like a info that this is a snipped from an old podcast in the titel or thumbnail.
    It feels baity as f--- , if I click on a snipped assuming its a brand new video, from an episode I´ve already seen.

  • @louisgiokas2206
    @louisgiokas2206 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I wonder if Levin and Wolffram have talked or influenced each other.

  • @James-ll3jb
    @James-ll3jb 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Nevertheless "organic" analogically, am I right? (Given there are "different ways of being intelligent" etc.)

  • @kensho123456
    @kensho123456 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I agree.

  • @Iophiel
    @Iophiel 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    self-hoods,... like neighbor-hoods, but potentially more lonely.

  • @regulargold7065
    @regulargold7065 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    9x9
    Under your nose the whole damn time
    Stared at a rose and it whispered look
    Times on the table, use your mind

  • @arturzathas499
    @arturzathas499 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    it seems to me there is to this a lot of depth yet to be explored. perhaps a more technical view is required rather than a shallow social perspective.

  • @Odihmantich
    @Odihmantich 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    dude reminds me of comedian Geoffrey Asmus

  • @TimesIPmyself
    @TimesIPmyself 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Great tidbit😊

  • @jim01q
    @jim01q 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Think this dude is onto something.

  • @Illumignostic
    @Illumignostic 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Is it just me, or does every interview with Levin sound like he's dancing around asserting that there is some sort of Universal Mind? He can't say it, because credibility in the current paradigm. He's clearly one of the great scientific minds of the current, and probably historical, paradigms, and he is basically elucidating the mechanistic bases for many of the phenomena that have been labelled "metaphysical" and even "spiritual". His work is far more of a landmark in human understanding of the cosmos than his level of recognition represents. The man animated dead skin cells, and there are literally videos of them obviously pausing to make a decision, and then reversing course, for f@cks sake. The emergence and convergence of the level and type of science his work represents, with artificial, and possibly alien intelligence, also speaks to the veracity of his previous statement on TOE that synchronicty is evidence that we are part of a larger intelligence. If these things find a vector and become catalysts for eachother, the future is literally incomprehensible. And that future is NOW.

  • @KeneOliver
    @KeneOliver 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    11:00

  • @путоелкелолеахд
    @путоелкелолеахд 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    This is Philosophy doesn’t matter if they appear in practical problems

  • @SpotterVideo
    @SpotterVideo 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Dr. Roger Penrose has suggested instead of trying to create a particle called the "graviton" to explain gravity, why not try to describe subatomic particles in terms of spatial curvature, as in the twist in a piece of real thread.
    What if we add one extra spatial dimension to the "Twistor Theory" of Sir Roger Penrose? It can be "chiral" by having either Right-hand or Left-hand twist. It can be "Quantized", based on the number of twist cycles.
    If Physicists describe electrons as point particles with no volume, where is the mass of the particle?
    Can one extra spatial dimension produce a geometric explanation of the 1/2 spin of electrons? The following is an extension of the old Kaluza-Klein theory. Can a twisted 3D 4D soliton containing one extra spatial dimension help solve some of the current problems in Particle Physics?
    What do the Twistors of Roger Penrose and the Geometric Unity of Eric Weinstein and the exploration of one extra spatial dimension by Lisa Randall and the "Belt Trick" of Paul Dirac have in common? Is the following idea a “Quantized” model related to the “Vortex Theory” proposed by Maxwell and others during the 19th century? Is the best explanation of the current data a form of “Twistor Theory” first proposed by Sir Roger Penrose during 1967? During recent years Dr. Peter Woit has explored Twistor Theory as a possible solution to help explain the current Standard Model.
    Has the concept of the “Aether” been resurrected from the dead and relabeled as the “Higgs Field”?
    In Spinors it takes two complete turns to get down the "rabbit hole" (Alpha Funnel 3D--->4D) to produce one twist cycle (1 Quantum unit).
    Can both Matter and Energy be described as "Quanta" of Spatial Curvature? (A string is revealed to be a twisted cord when viewed up close.) Mass= 1/Length, with each twist cycle of the 4D Hypertube proportional to Planck’s Constant.
    In this model Alpha equals the compactification ratio within the twistor cone, which is approximately 1/137.
    1= Hypertubule diameter at 4D interface
    137= Cone’s larger end diameter at 3D interface where the photons are absorbed or emitted.
    The 4D twisted Hypertubule gets longer or shorter as twisting or untwisting occurs. (720 degrees per twist cycle.)
    If quarks have not been isolated and gluons have not been isolated, how do we know they are not parts of the same thing? The tentacles of an octopus and the body of an octopus are parts of the same creature.
    Is there an alternative interpretation of "Asymptotic Freedom"? What if Quarks are actually made up of twisted tubes which become physically entangled with two other twisted tubes to produce a proton? Instead of the Strong Force being mediated by the constant exchange of gluons, it would be mediated by the physical entanglement of these twisted tubes. Are these the “Flux Tubes” being described by many Physicists today? When only two twisted tubules are entangled, a meson is produced which is unstable and rapidly unwinds (decays) into something else. A proton would be analogous to three twisted rubber bands becoming entangled and the "Quarks" would be the places where the tubes are tangled together. The behavior would be the same as rubber balls (representing the Quarks) connected with twisted rubber bands being separated from each other or placed closer together producing the exact same phenomenon as "Asymptotic Freedom" in protons and neutrons. The force would become greater as the balls are separated, but the force would become less if the balls were placed closer together. Therefore, the gluon is a synthetic particle (zero mass, zero charge) invented to explain the Strong Force. The "Color Force" is a consequence of the XYZ orientation entanglement of the twisted tubules. The two twisted tubule entanglement of Mesons is not stable and unwinds. It takes the entanglement of three twisted tubules to produce the stable proton. The term “entanglement” in this case is analogous to three twisted ropes being wrapped around each other in a way which causes all of the ropes to move if someone pulls one of the ropes. Does the phenomenon of “Asymptotic Freedom” provide evidence that this concept is the correct interpretation of the experimental data now available? Can the phenomenon of "Supercoiling" help explain the "Multiple Generations" of particles in the Standard Model? The conversion of twist to writhe cycles is well understood in the structure of DNA molecules. Can the conversion of twist to writhe cycles and vice-versa help explain "neutrino oscillations"? Within this model neutrinos are a small, twisted torus produced when a tube becomes overtwisted and breaks producing the small, closed loop of twisted tube (neutrino), and a twisted tube open on each end, which is shorter than the original. (Beta Decay)
    Within this subatomic model gravity is produced by a very small higher dimensional curvature imbalance within atoms, which causes all atoms to be attracted to all other atoms. This extremely weak attraction reveals the very small scale of the curvature imbalance. This produces the curvature of spacetime on a larger scale like the solar system which is required to counterbalance this small imbalance in the individual atoms.

  • @CooperGreenman
    @CooperGreenman 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Why he look 3 feet tall in the wide shot tho

  • @dolphins9745
    @dolphins9745 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    So many leapfrog the one thing that allows all of these conversations to take place and all that goes towards the make up of them, namely the mind. The conversations leapfrog that mind to make a mind generated statement as to what would be the case, or what something would look like or what form something would take in the absence of minds. So when was the last time someone stepped out of their mind to view that landscape?
    Nothing new in what I say here at all of course, just the boring, plain and simple idealism verses realism debate that forms an eternal philosophical discussion. Neither position can be proved or disproved and hence both are philosophical in nature. I just wish that fact was acknowledged more than it is.

  • @starwaving8857
    @starwaving8857 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I enjoy others contemplating these topics..
    Anyone else been called “Exhausting”. I used to think a bad thing but I believe now just digesting and acting on information.

  • @pinchopaxtonsgreatestminds9591
    @pinchopaxtonsgreatestminds9591 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Physics have shapes with areas of high resistance, and lower resistance, and everything wants to move from higher resistance towards lower resistance so you can program shapes to work as physics... but you just didn't explain it very well.

  • @Jaantoenen
    @Jaantoenen 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Yes, but intelligence is in a need to know basis regardless of memory capacity.

  • @Tidalx3
    @Tidalx3 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Michael has a similar mind to Elon but is actually a good guy

  • @CabinGirl
    @CabinGirl 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Akin to Sacred geometry (platonic space, ideal forms) that resonate with energies of the universe and aid in connecting with higher states of consciousness (speculative “universal mind”).

  • @mortenstenberg5452
    @mortenstenberg5452 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    It sounds like Steven wolfrems, wuth his system.

  • @codyschrock4991
    @codyschrock4991 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Nice beard

  • @peterwbryce1
    @peterwbryce1 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Morphogenysis with different language.

  • @bldmeridian1734
    @bldmeridian1734 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I thought I was going to learn new ways to avoid hooking up with my friends. Big disappointment

  • @markcollins1577
    @markcollins1577 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    hmmm... self agency is intelligent and is correspondent with limitless being...

  • @vinegarinabottle
    @vinegarinabottle 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    With all those kudos I can hardly muster a discouraging word. A lot of magical thinking. That the essence of something exists apart from it physical form is akin to saying there are ghosts that we conform to. This was part of Benvenistes work on cultured cells in which dilution of a ligand past the point of complete dilution resulted in a similar response that was elicited by the ligand itself. Can anyone spell homeopathy? Or irreproducible? Sorry. Ancient wisdom is fine when applied to human behavior, since that is all observational and parsimonious at least since Babylon, but please don't use it to conjure up hypotheses concerning physical reality. Plato described Socarte's hobby of making braggerts, sophists, drunks and basically everyone in Athens eat their own words, but had little or nothing to say about physical reality. They really didn't know squat about it and it is only now after 2400 years of hypohesis testing that we can look back and say, hey, they were kind of right about the atom. Everything isn't made out of water! Also, putting cells containing activated oncogenes into developing amphibian embryos is really old school. Of course they aren't cancerous. it takes multiple independent gene mutations to cause neoplastic transformation. That has been known for thirty years at least. It doesn't need an explanation involving electrical networks. This guy seems to want to rediscover the wheel by describing it as a fourth dimensional object. Beware the glib!

  • @LostArchivist
    @LostArchivist 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Hylomorphism

  • @leolacic9442
    @leolacic9442 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Male su garsonijere, pa ako se kuhinja izvuče, a to bi bilo najbolje, da ostanu 2 Kupaonice, odnosno da se ova uvučena isto izvuče ispred Kuhinje, nebi bio lijep dnevni boravak jer bi bio prilično mal. Naravno da je neobično da dvosoban stan ima 2 kupaonice, a mini kuhinju i mini sobe, no meni to nije ništa neobično, jer sam oduvijek htio imati 2 kupaonice.
    Zato bih ja napravio Kuhinju u " L", i stavio staklene vertikalne neprozirne pergole u Radnom djelu kuhinje i ispred vrata( a koja su u L samo zato da se dobije čisti Radni prostor u kuhinji i da se nemora daleko šetati do kuhinje, pa je onda i hodnik osvijetljen pergolom. S tim da bi se pergola od kuhinje mogla i otvarati kako bi se mogla prozračivati kroz spavaču sobu.
    Dakle, imaš onda WC, odmah tu, bez prozora i bez vrata( ako je tijesno) za ulaz u hodnik, i samo 1m prije kuhinje uvučen zid, a kuhinju proširiti, a mogu se i prozori povisiti na normalnu visinu, ali nažalost nema mjesta za balkone, jer su prozori od susjeda odmah uz prozor od kuhinje.
    I onda bi ulaz u spavaču sobu bio odmah iza vrata, odnosno uz, ali ne nasuprot nego u produžetku, pa kad ideš na WC otvoriš samo 2-a vrata a ne 3-a.
    A ako nekom smrdi u dnevnom boravku, može zvati majstora pa si sam ugraditi 3-a vrata. I prije brodske staze nalazi plakar kao kabina koju moraš obići da bi ušao u dnevnu sobu, ili u potpalublje. Nije stan baš prevelik, ali je 2-soban, od 43m2 +2 balkona 2 x4.50m2 odnosno 43m2 +9m2 balkoni, odnosno 1 balkon, jer nema potrebe da budu 2 balkona, ali i ima potrebe možda. Kod Skendera sam se dosta dvoumio dali trebaju biti 2 ili 1 balkon. Kad sam sebi projektirao kuću, stavio sam zid između, ali nemora svugdje tako biti. Kod mene u projektu su bile 2 spavače sobe jedna uz drugu, pa sam zato stavio zid, a kod Skendera 1-na spavača soba nema balkon, nego ima samo 2-ga i dnevni boravak, pa tamo ne treba, iako sam tada možda više bio za to da balkoni budu odvojeni, ali mislim da nisam nego su me kreteni uvjeravali možda da treba biti odvojeno a ja tvrdio da je bolje ovako, ili sam ja bio taj kreten.
    Stvarno neznam zašto od mene svugdje svi prave kretena?!
    Tako da na ovom stanu od 43m2 balkon treba biti cijelom dužinom, jer ako ti dođu gosti pa nemorate odvojeno sjediti na balkonu, kao da su vam gosti svaki dan u kući pa su vam dosadili, pa morate odvojeno sjediti na balkonu.
    Balkon uvijek možeš zvati majstora da ga pregradi, isto kao i vrata od potpalublja, ako trebaju.
    Nekošta to puno, ali ako je bolje ovako, zašto onda stanaru praviti ono što nije bolje, ali ostaviš mu da on sam može napraviti kako nije bolje, ako mu je tako bolje.

  • @ScreamingCelt
    @ScreamingCelt 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I'm surprised that Levin didn't troll and say, "Yes, Aristotle DOES prove Plato's Theory of Forms."

  • @-tarificpromo-7196
    @-tarificpromo-7196 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Natural and artificial, need to be eliminated from the dictionary. Physics never use those words to decribe this suedo materialist jargon.

  • @EditEvidence
    @EditEvidence 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    why is the youtube algo sending me tripe like this.

  • @mattpelletier5368
    @mattpelletier5368 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Considering how many people juiced themselves with sv40 I'm sure this fella will have plenty of opportunity to play .

  • @James-ll3jb
    @James-ll3jb 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    "WWNT" [What would Nietzsche think?]

  • @QuickCanon
    @QuickCanon 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    🍀