I just purchased my first scale trains diesel engine. It is a dash 9 in the Union Pacific colors. First thing I noticed out of the box was that the brakeman side ditch light was not working ditch lights were not working. I contacted scale trains and they told me it's an easy fix. They told me how to remove the shell, when I remove the shell I found out what the problem was. The inner shell that contains the weight was not screwed onto the bottom chassis. The screws were there but they were never put on. Once I put the screws back on and tested it both ditch lights came on. Also I noticed when I had the shell off there was a detail piece that had broken off. The glue was there but the peice wasn't. I also noticed glue gobbs and plastic flashing on the locomotive. Over the years I have collected dozens of Athearn and Lifelike locomotives both their premium and they're cheap ones. Even in there cheap ones I never had a broken or missing piece or flashing on detail parts. I strongly believe that one reason is because their quality controls are super tight. Athearn in particular are Nazis when it comes to their quality control. Scaletrains should take a page out of Athens quality control play book it'll be much better for Scaletrains, for us and the hobby in general.
I absolutely LOVE these T4 locomotives. The only problem that I have is that the lights were either way too dim, or didn't work at all. That's why I'm replacing all of my ScaleTrains lights with LEDs and optic fibers. They are really good for these engines.
I am a newbie getting into model railroading...it has been 35 years since I have even played with model trains. I was looking for someone who showed how they modeled their track from the beginning. I found your videos, the 2.0 version, and was instantly gratified. I binged on them for the past week. I learned a lot from your travails over the two years you video'd. It was also really cool to see your honesty in dealing with life (outside calling, motorcycling, just worn out, money issues) while also having a thrill, most of the time, in creating your layout. I hit #18, which was video'd 2 yrs ago and then there was a void. So I searched for your most recent posting and it was this one. So two points...thank you for your videos regarding making a layout happen, the ins and outs and the ups and downs. I truly learned a lot! Second, as with the others below, I hope all is well in your world these days. Whether you post again or not, I hope all is well...Know you can!
Have a fleet of 7 of those T4's, 6 of those girls are BNSF and the other the GECX. Love em. With the combination of both Intermountain and Scaletrains I will have a fleet of 12 T4's, definitely monster pullers. Both Intermountain and Scaletrains did a bang up job with the T4's, glad Athearn didn't throw their hat into the T4 ring.
Thank you for the video brother. You have a new subscriber! As for the sounds of this loco winding up: this is how turbo diesel engine sounds, it's super prototypical and i actually like it. Ill be purchasing 2 of these different numbers of course. Keep up the videos
Thanks man! As far as the sound, I was used to hearing the other sound file that is available and installed in the "other" brand. :) Thanks for subscribing. I need to get another one of these and some more Dash 9's
Hey Deryk, great review on the Scaletrains Gevo Tier 4 . I recently bought one, I guess I was a sucker for the see thru grills . Very happy with the model visually but thought there maybe something wrongful with the sound on mine especially when notching up, it sounds like a rocket blasting off with static . Thanks for sharing your experience on this train , now I know that this is typical on this model , I was ready to ask for another one at the hobby shop. Anyhow talk care , stay safe my friend.
Thanks buddy. Yes it turns out it is the correct sound file and there is nothing wrong with it. I still don't like it though, so since I have the Lok Programmer, I uploaded a different tier 4 file from ESU. Sounds much better. I always recommend the programmer to people if they are going to use ESU decoders a lot. It's totally worth it.
@@DGModelworks Hey Deryk thanks for getting back, yes I've heard of people programming the sound file from the Intermountain Tier 4 instead of the scaletrains sound files. Will definitely look into that .
The locomotive is fantastic! Very well detailed. The hollow grilles are a differentiator. The only thing left was the brake chain (this plastic chain, divided into two pieces, was a breeze). But, aside from that detail, the locomotive is superb. I want one!
Regarding that sound. I have the loco and I questioned the same sound. I think scale trains tried to simulate the “rumble” sound heard when the actual loco notches up. However, their simulation came across like crackling and popping. I have the Intermountain version. It’s nice all the way around; sound, lights, cosmetics, I like it best.
Thanks for the review. Always enjoy your comments. I have two Intermountain tier 4 Gevos and I'm very happy with them. Based on your review and others I've viewed , I think I'll pass on the Scaletrains. Too many "little thing" wrong with them. Yours and many others.
Good Review! I purchased one of these smh ..... next to Intermountain what I sacrificed for price I gave up detail and quality....scale trains is cheaper takes longer for delivery .... around 159 for dcc and sound vs $239 for dcc Intermountain sound I choose Intermountain... scale trains takes a month Intermountain 3 days max as far as rolling stock scale trains does an excellent job! But you have to wait a month before you can roll your stock!
Great review, bummer that yours came with the missing grill piece on the one side. I wouldn't mind having the Scale Trains version of the Tier 4 Gevo, but after seeing this review, and others, when I get one of the Tier4's I'll be purchasing another brand first.
Awesome review! I got a BNSF one and am really happy with it. Only thing is they installed the wrong front safety rails on my version like the molded yellow ones you were talking about. They put the NS version on instead of the BNSF. But they said on the next couple weeks they should have replacement parts.
great review, sorry to hear about the quality issues, it seems like everyone is having the same problems,I'll be getting mine next weekend,thanks for sharing....
nice shirt. just saying. you did a good review. this time I passed on buying any of these loco's so nice to see what others have purchased. thanks for sharing
I had the same issue with the ditch lights. CV 112 sets how fast they flash and CV 132 sets how long they flash AFTER the horn is blown. Me personally, I set CV 112 to 16 and CV 132 to 180 for a more "realistic" flash rate and speed. Another great review too!
Got my CN "sisters" today. Very happy. Sound files do all appear to sound the same. Sounds like a Peterbuilt notching up, to me. Don't have nearly the amount of glue on my shells. Maybe because they are the CN 'see through' grates that they took better care to install. Yeah, I was bummed out that the walkway light does not light and the truck chains aren't metal, but I can change the chain easy enough if I want to. The three things that made ME decide not to do Intermountain are: they didn't have a 2016 production of a CN model, really - really didn't like the way the exhaust looked, and the one thing that I have noticed with a number of Intermountain bogeys - you can see the gearing (and wiring) quite clearly. So I'm satisfied. Also, now I have a full ScaleTrains oil tanker unit train, with buffer cars and with DPU lights.
Very cool! Glad everything worked out for you and that you are happy. That's all that matters. I do agree about the IM gearing and wiring showing, that is a little bummer. ~Deryk
I bought 2 of these locomotives as well, i also had the missing grill issue but i was lucky to find it in the box, and with the sound, I have see 2 of these units together and that is actually how they sound when they notch up, I thought the same thing at first but then i looked at my videos and it was correct
Glad you were able to find your grill. Thanks for the info on the sound. I guess it's prototypical, but I'm still not a fan of it. I think I will reprogram it to a different Tier 4 sound file from Loksound. ~Deryk
Nice review Deryk! Those spinning bearing caps are COOL!! The level of detail is incredible too. As far as volume, I don't think that the factory has them turned up. That's easily fixed. A few other people with hearing problems don't seem to like the sound.... I think it's the BEST sounding modern Locomotive I've EVER heard! 👍👍 It actually sounds like it's got a Diesel engine - not just a series of whines. It's great that you're able to get nice stuff like this. I hope that never changes my friend. Oh, and the 2-piece chain is to negotiate 22" radius curves, without self destructing!! Carmine 🚂
I am still waiting on my CSX Tier 4 from ST. I Model the New Haven in the 50s but just had to have a Tier 4. This is the first time I heard of any sound issues. I am sure ST will send you another Grill and take care of any other issues you have. Nice review
Thanks! Apparently that is how it's supposed to sound, and it's supposed to be prototypical, but I'm not a fan of it. I will be programming it to another sound file.
Don't rely on ScaleTrains couplers to hold a long train together when going up a grade. As always, you'll want to replace most factory couplers with Kadees.
I have a 62 car tangent coal train at 4.8oz. per car and my scaletrains SD40-2's coupler on the trailing loco pulls these cars all day up 2% grades but i do hace a bunch of Kadee 158's on standby! lol
I agree that Scaletrains' Tier 4 Gevo has mostly position things going for it. But, I think I'll go with Intermountain's version. As always, you do excellent reviews!
At 20:24 and 21:38, it sounds like a distortion canceling the sound out the prime mover. If you want to, buy the sugar cube speaker, these stock speakers from what I have notice tend to be the issue. I hear that sugar cube speakers and scale sound speakers are the best.
Yep , the notching up is a mess.Normally the loksound does it way better and clear.At least at my SD40-2´s.The other flaws are not nice and for that price tag not acceptable.
I just received my CSX Tier 4 last week. I took it out of the box and noticed a little grill in between the box plastic. I set it aside and had to look all over the thing to find out where it came from. It looks like it had popped out of the same spot as yours did. There's two tabs that are supposed to hold it in place under spring tension. I stuck mine back in. It stayed, but it's not too tight. Will probably have to glue it. Mines a DCC ready version because I'm going to install a Railpro LM-3S in it with my own speaker. I'll be interested to see if there's a light issue on mine as well. Thanks for the review.
I've heard the same thing now from various people. Must be a common issue with these. I didn't find my grill anywhere, but who knows, maybe I overlooked it somewhere.
...... I've noticed that several manufacturers are making dimmer headlights. Maybe it's to get the right color, I don't know. I do know from whenever I was able to railfan, the real headlights can be seen, brightly, from over a half mile away. That's also why I prefer to build my own. I HOPE I'll be able to start doing that again...
The details and paint quality are hard to beat when it comes to scale train models. But Athearn genesis have a very good led lighting system in newer genesis releases
Hey where have you been? We miss you around these parts. I know all to well life happens but I’m here to keep you encouraged my friend. Give us a shout or something to let us know your ok
I have two that are CSX they make that same sound when notching up I think that they were trying to simulate that heavy rumble they make it might need a better speaker for that. when it comes to the lights, they're not that prototypical.
Do you know if Scale Trains addressed the issues that you pointed out in their latest run? Thanks for the detailed reviews and helping us making informed decisions. I appreciate your contribution to the modelers.
You have the LOK programmer, you can adjust the lighting intensity there to your liking. That static sound, sounds like the exhaust, you can also adjust this sound independently in the LOK programmer, what I suggest is turning your main volume down first. Is it possible that grill popped off when you removed the shell?
Yeah, there will be some major program changes. I'm not sure about the grill, I didn't find it anywhere. I see someone else had the same issue, but his was laying in the box.
My CN version has the same Garbled sound throughout the notching. I don't like it either but it does kinda grow on ya after a while especially in a consist. I don't have a lok programmer yet but plan on getting one. I just put a new V4.0 in my Athearn RTR SD40-2 that I detailed and I can honestly say I like the motor control and the drive hold feature of the Lok decoders I feel I have more control over my locomotives vs the other decoders in my other locomtives. So I will be converting the rest of my fleet to lok sound but that's just my personal preference. Let's hope lok sound comes out with an improved sound version for this new Tier 4? :)
You will be happy to know the ESU today just release the version 2 of the Tier 4 engine sounds. It sounds much better that the first sound attempt. That is why I love ESU, if a mistake is made they will address it quickly.
Where have you been miss looking at your videos did you finish your room layouts I had to take mine down because I live in an apartment building the new landlords and didn’t want me to have fun just checking on you and your family
In February 2019 they are releasing another run of the Tier 4 gevo and hopefully the ditch lights are fixed i lowered the flash rate a tad and that helped a lot cv 112 default 39 mines at 25 and it helps
Maybe the legendary carpet monster took that bit of grill for its own when you took the shell off Mr DG !! Thanks , Ive now seen this Scale Trains model in two liveries and two reviews now. This model is nice and ordinarily would take the tape . But lets just say "a competitor " has been at "mountain altitude training" and has buzzed down the finishing straight !!
I believe it is a different soundset than whats in the intermountain, however this isnt much of an issue as with a lokprogrammer you could easily change the prime mover sounds
Hey Deryk, I just got my BNSF and UP Scaletrains Tier 4's in today and i have the same exact sound issue on my UP..... Which soundfile are you going to try out, Intermountains? let me know bro, Great review as always!
I like both of them but i can't compare them to Intermountains because i haven't purchased there version. I have 2 of the past release ES44's Intermountain made and they sucked but i know they really stepped up the game on these Tier 4 models. I have a Museum Quality Big blow Turbine, 4 different SD40-2's, Water Tenders, a few Crude oil Tank Cars and a Kit Classics Boxcar all from ScaleTrains and i absolutely love them! These 2 Tier 4 loco are the first purchases I've made from ScaleTrains that i have a found a few issues that are a little disturbing but i can live with them and make adjustments myself. The sound file is like yours and low volume, lighting is definitely to dim which i think i can adjust with lokprogrammer and a few small paint issues. I think the quality control dropped on the release of these compared to there past models, ScaleTrains definitely needs to catch this pronto before it hurts there rep which so far has started on a really good foot.
hey man hows it going been a while i dont do the model rail road much anymore no room for it so i got into building all kinds of models cars, planes, military i do have my trains still
Deryk, what is happening. You haven’t posted a video update on your layout. Have you left the model railroading hobby? I sure did grad quite a few of your ideas through the years from your channel. Sure would like to know if you will be doing any updates. Thanks Dieter
I've run these kind of locos. 1:1 scale lol. All GE's have a pretty horrible way of not being able to tell when you "grab a notch" in sound. It's hard to tell unlike the EMD's. But even with that, I do agree these sound very choppy in their sound. Hope it helps.
Thanks for the info Matt, I appreciate it! Yeah it sounds a little 'rough' on notch up. Other than that it sounds Great! I love GE sounds actually. Thanks again, and be safe out there! ~Deryk
I bought the six CSX roadnumbers when they came out. I test ran some of them, the sound on them did not sound right to me at all. One was missing a grille piece, another had a grille piece pop out, and a third unit had a cracked step. I sent them all back and got a refund. Probably won't buy from ScaleTrains again.
If it was me it would go back. Sounds like it going to brake down. Or maybe gear grind. For the money to many problems. However I do agree that it a very nice model. You just got a lemon. It happen. good luck with it.
What FPS value are you delivering the videos at? The framerate seems to be the cause for jerky slow motion. I've seen this thing creep in real life and it definitely doesn't surge like that video opener.
I was referring to the actual video. When things get transcoded, we often see a 23.97 FPS conversion. By foring a 29.97 / 30 FPS transcode, things end up much smoother.
A general comment..."Rivet Counter" just doesn't apply to any out of the box factory model, however, A lot of really well detailed trains are available these days. Still, they all need a little something. Regards, Solomon
LEDs are not nearly as good with flashing effects as bulbs. At notch one it seems to be jerky instead of running smooth. Your headlight & missing grill is a horrible job on QC's part. Not a fan of Loksound, wish they put Tsunami 2 in them. Does it double bell if you have the bell on and use the air horn? I prefer the real chain like some of my older Atlas models had and yes it sucks to have to remove the shell but I only had to do it once. And what's the deal with the glue? It's a common issue on their units, are they using a bulky hot glue gun especially where the main body meets the walkway's. The Tsunami 2 notch transition is very smooth sounding and when you turn the bell off it has a realistic sustain to it instead of cutting off sharp.
Front headlight looks yellow as compared to the ditchlights looking white. Switch the front and rear light controls? Have you heard a Tier 4 GEVO notch up in real life? I'm sure ScaleTrains would send you a replacement grill! Roy
Do you by chance know how to turn the volume up on one of these scaletrains gevos I have the same one you do the NS horse head scheme any help would be appreciated thanks derek
Weight of the loco is good...bearing caps look good but do roll properly. Parts dont appear strong and as per video they are loose and breaking. Alternate lights are not appearing noticable. There is something wrong with the sound on notch up. Is scale trains models worth buying. Please advise.
Scaletrains makes some really great models. With all the extra details and parts that manufacturers are installing on these models you run the risk of having loose or missing parts. Every manufacturer has this problem. The highly detailed models look fantastic, but there is also the risk involved with that. Scaletrains has great customer service though, and they will take care of any issues that might arise. As for the sound when notching up, that was a custom sound file that was created for Scaletrains locomotives. It is supposed to be an accurate sound, but I agree with you, I don't like it. If you have any knowledge with the ESU Lokprogrammer, you can reprogram the decoder with a different sound file from ESU. I did that, and it sounds much better.
I love my scale trains tier 4 engine. I actually have the sister of your 3610 I have 3611 I got mine back in March of this month and last night I decided to run it just to see what it would do put it on the track let it start up started out fine. Went to takeoff and it shut off and it would not cut back on. Someone told me that I needed a different track and different controller to start it up. He’s had the same issue I did, and he said his started out fine after that if you could tell me what I did wrong I would greatly appreciate it. If I can’t figure out the problem I have to send it back to get see what’s wrong hopefully what that gentleman had told me is hopefully the problem. Thanks in advance. Let me know please
FWIW, I sprung for a Scale Trains BNSF model after having purchased an Intermountain NS unit. Very disappointed in the ST run. The speakers in my unit are defective. Worst sounding locomotive I ever purchased. My roller bearing caps are installed off-center so they wobble. Windshield window glazing pretty bad as evidenced on this video. No window tint to speak of... too light. Paint & details good, but grills appear to be over-sized to allow for show through screens?? The BNSF paint color and printing is really good. Did I mention glue globs on BOTH sides of my unit? Lighting is not what I expected. Light bleed on my unit just as in this review. The IM unit does have independently controlled number board lighting and their walkway lights (fore & aft) are pretty cool. The ditch light housings, while prototypical just looks too big and chunky too me. Overall, a below average model for all the hype and the $. To me, my ST GEvo just looks like it was rushed through production. My Scale Trains SRR & NS SD40-2's had some of these issues (like with glue, sanding lines, lighting to some extent, and even a cab-to-body glitch on the SRR units), but overall I could handle that with the collective appearance & performance of the locomotives.
I agree, these are a disappointment for me too. For me, about the only thing that is a really positive is... the drive and the fact that it has ESU's powerpak (Keep alive)
Yeah my 2 N scale Tier 4's Sound the same. I've been on many of the prototypes. I can say they really dont sound like that when you notch them up. I think it's the speaker/ sound file. I love the engine but don't care for the sound. But the horn and bell sound is dead on. The ditch lights prototypicaly should flash for 30 seconds.
I'm good! I took a break from hobby for a little bit, focusing on some of my other interests. I have NOT left the hobby and I will be back. Thanks for checking in! :)
Hi Deryk, glad to hear that you are doing well. Love your videos. Know that you are missed. Looking forward to seeing more videos when and if the time is right for you.
The sound on mine is exactly the same. The model is great but the sound is the worst I've ever heard! Such a let down after their Sd40-2. I was expecting great things but it's real bad!! Guess I'm have to get it re blown.
A good review. I have four of these locos and notch up sound is the same on all four. It doesn't sound authentic to me, but can anyone comment on this who has actually heard the real thing?
Thank you! Yeah same here..... If you have a Lokprogrammer, you can change the sound file. ESU has 2 versions you can download and use. Scaletrains uses a V4.0 decoder, so download the appropriate file. ~Deryk
DG Modelworks Hello Deryk I truly Appreciate you Resubscribing Back to my Channel Very much, This means a lot to me I have always enjoyed watching, You Video's Hope to see some new Video's From you In the coming months, Question I bought One Exactly like yours Scale Trains Rivet Counter HO scale Mine is a GE Tier 4 GEVO ET44AC NORTHFOLK SOUTHERN HORSEHEAD ESC LOKSOUND DCC AND SOUND EQUIPPED THE CV'S SETTINGS DO YOU NEED TO GO TO CV 32 ENTER AND THEN ENTER 1 for the volume CV's And those sounds Are they Random settings, Or can you Just Adjust, the CV's separately Those Random sounds of the Compressor The Prime mover, Or The Valve Air Release Mine Didn't come from Scale Trains like yours did, Thank you Deryk For Getting back on my channel Your One Good Man Thanks
I just purchased my first scale trains diesel engine. It is a dash 9 in the Union Pacific colors. First thing I noticed out of the box was that the brakeman side ditch light was not working ditch lights were not working. I contacted scale trains and they told me it's an easy fix. They told me how to remove the shell, when I remove the shell I found out what the problem was. The inner shell that contains the weight was not screwed onto the bottom chassis. The screws were there but they were never put on. Once I put the screws back on and tested it both ditch lights came on. Also I noticed when I had the shell off there was a detail piece that had broken off. The glue was there but the peice wasn't. I also noticed glue gobbs and plastic flashing on the locomotive.
Over the years I have collected dozens of Athearn and Lifelike locomotives both their premium and they're cheap ones. Even in there cheap ones I never had a broken or missing piece or flashing on detail parts. I strongly believe that one reason is because their quality controls are super tight. Athearn in particular are Nazis when it comes to their quality control. Scaletrains should take a page out of Athens quality control play book it'll be much better for Scaletrains, for us and the hobby in general.
I've run into quality control issues from almost every manufacturer recently. Not sure if it's because of all the extra detail parts or what.
I absolutely LOVE these T4 locomotives. The only problem that I have is that the lights were either way too dim, or didn't work at all. That's why I'm replacing all of my ScaleTrains lights with LEDs and optic fibers. They are really good for these engines.
I am a newbie getting into model railroading...it has been 35 years since I have even played with model trains. I was looking for someone who showed how they modeled their track from the beginning. I found your videos, the 2.0 version, and was instantly gratified. I binged on them for the past week. I learned a lot from your travails over the two years you video'd. It was also really cool to see your honesty in dealing with life (outside calling, motorcycling, just worn out, money issues) while also having a thrill, most of the time, in creating your layout. I hit #18, which was video'd 2 yrs ago and then there was a void. So I searched for your most recent posting and it was this one. So two points...thank you for your videos regarding making a layout happen, the ins and outs and the ups and downs. I truly learned a lot! Second, as with the others below, I hope all is well in your world these days. Whether you post again or not, I hope all is well...Know you can!
Great review Deryk! Thanks for bringing us these vids!
Thank you for the support!
~Deryk
Have a fleet of 7 of those T4's, 6 of those girls are BNSF and the other the GECX. Love em. With the combination of both Intermountain and Scaletrains I will have a fleet of 12 T4's, definitely monster pullers. Both Intermountain and Scaletrains did a bang up job with the T4's, glad Athearn didn't throw their hat into the T4 ring.
Thank you for the video brother. You have a new subscriber!
As for the sounds of this loco winding up: this is how turbo diesel engine sounds, it's super prototypical and i actually like it. Ill be purchasing 2 of these different numbers of course.
Keep up the videos
Thanks man! As far as the sound, I was used to hearing the other sound file that is available and installed in the "other" brand. :) Thanks for subscribing. I need to get another one of these and some more Dash 9's
I really like the see through radiator, very nice.
It's the only model I've seen with rolling roller bearing caps.Great Detail.
Hey Deryk, great review on the Scaletrains Gevo Tier 4 . I recently bought one, I guess I was a sucker for the see thru grills . Very happy with the model visually but thought there maybe something wrongful with the sound on mine especially when notching up, it sounds like a rocket blasting off with static . Thanks for sharing your experience on this train , now I know that this is typical on this model , I was ready to ask for another one at the hobby shop. Anyhow talk care , stay safe my friend.
Thanks buddy. Yes it turns out it is the correct sound file and there is nothing wrong with it. I still don't like it though, so since I have the Lok Programmer, I uploaded a different tier 4 file from ESU. Sounds much better. I always recommend the programmer to people if they are going to use ESU decoders a lot. It's totally worth it.
@@DGModelworks Hey Deryk thanks for getting back, yes I've heard of people programming the sound file from the Intermountain Tier 4 instead of the scaletrains sound files. Will definitely look into that .
like it a lot! Horn and current keeper are great. Thanks DG Modelworks.
I agree, they are a plus!
~Deryk
Great review. Love the roller bearing detail.
Thanks Bryan!
The locomotive is fantastic! Very well detailed. The hollow grilles are a differentiator.
The only thing left was the brake chain (this plastic chain, divided into two pieces, was a breeze).
But, aside from that detail, the locomotive is superb. I want one!
very nice loco, fantastic detailing, great sound, ESU is my favourite sounddecoder, too. Thanks for sharing, cool 😎 review.
I am also a big fan of ESU!
Thanks!
~Deryk
Great review! I have one coming in the mail and hopefully it does not have some issues.
Again Deryk great review.. thanks for sharing and keep up the great work.. Lance
Regarding that sound. I have the loco and I questioned the same sound. I think scale trains tried to simulate the “rumble” sound heard when the actual loco notches up. However, their simulation came across like crackling and popping. I have the Intermountain version. It’s nice all the way around; sound, lights, cosmetics, I like it best.
I've heard that but nobody said that but Mr. Deryk here.
Thanks for the review. Always enjoy your comments. I have two Intermountain tier 4 Gevos and I'm very happy with them. Based on
your review and others I've viewed , I think I'll pass on the Scaletrains. Too many "little thing" wrong with them. Yours and many others.
Thanks! Can't go wrong with Intermountain's Tier 4....
Good Review! I purchased one of these smh ..... next to Intermountain what I sacrificed for price I gave up detail and quality....scale trains is cheaper takes longer for delivery .... around 159 for dcc and sound vs $239 for dcc Intermountain sound I choose Intermountain... scale trains takes a month Intermountain 3 days max as far as rolling stock scale trains does an excellent job! But you have to wait a month before you can roll your stock!
Great review, bummer that yours came with the missing grill piece on the one side. I wouldn't mind having the Scale Trains version of the Tier 4 Gevo, but after seeing this review, and others, when I get one of the Tier4's I'll be purchasing another brand first.
Awesomeness! I have a BNSF and a GECX from them I have absolutely no problems with them thus far. Yes, it ducks that yours has issues.
Sucks*
Awesome review! I got a BNSF one and am really happy with it. Only thing is they installed the wrong front safety rails on my version like the molded yellow ones you were talking about. They put the NS version on instead of the BNSF. But they said on the next couple weeks they should have replacement parts.
OH wow, guess QC missed that. Glad to hear they are making it right. They seem to have good customer service.
DG Modelworks Yea
great review, sorry to hear about the quality issues, it seems like everyone is having the same problems,I'll be getting mine next weekend,thanks for sharing....
Oh man, I hope you don't have any issues with yours...
Great video I ordered NS 3431today, can’t wait
Awesome! Thanks Starling and enjoy your new loco!
~Deryk
nice shirt. just saying. you did a good review. this time I passed on buying any of these loco's so nice to see what others have purchased.
thanks for sharing
Thanks Sparky! I wonder where I got that shirt? OH.... I remember...another kickass modeler sent it to me! :)
People replace the speaker with double dumbo mini cube speakers with great results. Thanks for the review.
I had the same issue with the ditch lights. CV 112 sets how fast they flash and CV 132 sets how long they flash AFTER the horn is blown. Me personally, I set CV 112 to 16 and CV 132 to 180 for a more "realistic" flash rate and speed. Another great review too!
Thanks for the info brother! I will be doing some major reprogramming for sure.
~Deryk
I did the same, I maxed the CV132. Always useful to have these CV Values on speed dial lol
Got my CN "sisters" today. Very happy. Sound files do all appear to sound the same. Sounds like a Peterbuilt notching up, to me. Don't have nearly the amount of glue on my shells. Maybe because they are the CN 'see through' grates that they took better care to install. Yeah, I was bummed out that the walkway light does not light and the truck chains aren't metal, but I can change the chain easy enough if I want to. The three things that made ME decide not to do Intermountain are: they didn't have a 2016 production of a CN model, really - really didn't like the way the exhaust looked, and the one thing that I have noticed with a number of Intermountain bogeys - you can see the gearing (and wiring) quite clearly. So I'm satisfied. Also, now I have a full ScaleTrains oil tanker unit train, with buffer cars and with DPU lights.
Very cool! Glad everything worked out for you and that you are happy. That's all that matters. I do agree about the IM gearing and wiring showing, that is a little bummer.
~Deryk
I bought 2 of these locomotives as well, i also had the missing grill issue but i was lucky to find it in the box, and with the sound, I have see 2 of these units together and that is actually how they sound when they notch up, I thought the same thing at first but then i looked at my videos and it was correct
Glad you were able to find your grill. Thanks for the info on the sound. I guess it's prototypical, but I'm still not a fan of it. I think I will reprogram it to a different Tier 4 sound file from Loksound.
~Deryk
Nice review Deryk! Those spinning bearing caps are COOL!! The level of detail is incredible too. As far as volume, I don't think that the factory has them turned up. That's easily fixed.
A few other people with hearing problems don't seem to like the sound.... I think it's the BEST sounding modern Locomotive I've EVER heard! 👍👍
It actually sounds like it's got a Diesel engine - not just a series of whines.
It's great that you're able to get nice stuff like this. I hope that never changes my friend. Oh, and the 2-piece chain is to negotiate 22" radius curves, without self destructing!!
Carmine 🚂
And, I think there's a conspiracy against you!!! WHY are you getting all the defective locomotives??? 😱😨
Thanks Carmine! The 2 piece chain is actually to make it easier for shell removal, according to Scaletrains.
~Deryk
Well, that's what I heard. Anyway, replacing a chain should be no big deal. I'm sure your curves are plenty wide enough! 😋
That's a good question! It's rare for me to get a loco with no defects.
...... They're just testing your model in skills!!! LOL!! 😀😋😀😜
I am still waiting on my CSX Tier 4 from ST. I Model the New Haven in the 50s but just had to have a Tier 4. This is the first time I heard of any sound issues. I am sure ST will send you another Grill and take care of any other issues you have. Nice review
Thanks! Apparently that is how it's supposed to sound, and it's supposed to be prototypical, but I'm not a fan of it. I will be programming it to another sound file.
Very good Review, Deryk ! I prefer the IMR one
Thanks Matthias!
~Deryk
Deryk, you look like a kid and Xmas and sound like it also. Thanks for the review. Waiting to get my SD40-2's
D. Muse
Did I really look that excited? HAHAHA
i got the CN one it had no problems sounded great
Awesome! Glad to hear it!
Looks like a great unit Deryk lots of great details dispite the missing parts !
Thanks David!
~Deryk
Your welcome Deryk !
I Just ordered this last night (mine is numbered 3656 however) And im excited to see how it turns out.
Awesome!
Don't rely on ScaleTrains couplers to hold a long train together when going up a grade. As always, you'll want to replace most factory couplers with Kadees.
I have a 62 car tangent coal train at 4.8oz. per car and my scaletrains SD40-2's coupler on the trailing loco pulls these cars all day up 2% grades but i do hace a bunch of Kadee 158's on standby! lol
Or Sergeants if you want something much more realistic.
The extra hoses on each end of the Loco is ECP brake hoses. Currently NS only runs ECP brakes on certain coal trains and requires an extra brake hose.
Thanks for the info Josh. I appreciate it....I have some catching up to do with that.
~Deryk
I agree that Scaletrains' Tier 4 Gevo has mostly position things going for it. But, I think I'll go with Intermountain's version. As always, you do excellent reviews!
Thanks man! You can't go wrong with that decision.
~Deryk
Great review!
Thank you!
At 20:24 and 21:38, it sounds like a distortion canceling the sound out the prime mover. If you want to, buy the sugar cube speaker, these stock speakers from what I have notice tend to be the issue. I hear that sugar cube speakers and scale sound speakers are the best.
Yep , the notching up is a mess.Normally the loksound does it way better and clear.At least at my SD40-2´s.The other flaws are not nice and for that price tag not acceptable.
I love your videos. I am so glad you did a review on the Norfolk Southern version from ST!
Thank you very much!!
also you can fix sound on yours by changing the volume it should get rid of that noise
I just received my CSX Tier 4 last week. I took it out of the box and noticed a little grill in between the box plastic. I set it aside and had to look all over the thing to find out where it came from. It looks like it had popped out of the same spot as yours did. There's two tabs that are supposed to hold it in place under spring tension. I stuck mine back in. It stayed, but it's not too tight. Will probably have to glue it. Mines a DCC ready version because I'm going to install a Railpro LM-3S in it with my own speaker. I'll be interested to see if there's a light issue on mine as well. Thanks for the review.
I've heard the same thing now from various people. Must be a common issue with these. I didn't find my grill anywhere, but who knows, maybe I overlooked it somewhere.
...... I've noticed that several manufacturers are making dimmer headlights. Maybe it's to get the right color, I don't know.
I do know from whenever I was able to railfan, the real headlights can be seen, brightly, from over a half mile away.
That's also why I prefer to build my own. I HOPE I'll be able to start doing that again...
The details and paint quality are hard to beat when it comes to scale train models. But Athearn genesis have a very good led lighting system in newer genesis releases
Everyone is stepping up their game for sure!
Hey where have you been? We miss you around these parts. I know all to well life happens but I’m here to keep you encouraged my friend. Give us a shout or something to let us know your ok
I have two that are CSX they make that same sound when notching up I think that they were trying to simulate that heavy rumble they make it might need a better speaker for that. when it comes to the lights, they're not that prototypical.
ESU has a couple sound files for these, the other one doesn't make that sound like that. So if anyone has the Lokprogrammer they can swap files.
I think it be cool if you did a compairson video of the intermountain tier 4.
Do you know if Scale Trains addressed the issues that you pointed out in their latest run? Thanks for the detailed reviews and helping us making informed decisions. I appreciate your contribution to the modelers.
I am not sure. I haven't seen any from the subsequent runs.
Okay bud I trust your opinion.......Who did it better Intermountain or Scale Trains? Great review
You have the LOK programmer, you can adjust the lighting intensity there to your liking. That static sound, sounds like the exhaust, you can also adjust this sound independently in the LOK programmer, what I suggest is turning your main volume down first. Is it possible that grill popped off when you removed the shell?
Yeah, there will be some major program changes. I'm not sure about the grill, I didn't find it anywhere. I see someone else had the same issue, but his was laying in the box.
LOK sound in my opinion is better about distinguishing sounds in one channel which at the same time can make it seem overwhelmed.
My CN version has the same Garbled sound throughout the notching. I don't like it either but it does kinda grow on ya after a while especially in a consist. I don't have a lok programmer yet but plan on getting one. I just put a new V4.0 in my Athearn RTR SD40-2 that I detailed and I can honestly say I like the motor control and the drive hold feature of the Lok decoders I feel I have more control over my locomotives vs the other decoders in my other locomtives. So I will be converting the rest of my fleet to lok sound but that's just my personal preference. Let's hope lok sound comes out with an improved sound version for this new Tier 4? :)
You will be happy to know the ESU today just release the version 2 of the Tier 4 engine sounds. It sounds much better that the first sound attempt. That is why I love ESU, if a mistake is made they will address it quickly.
Thank goodness! I don't like this one at all!
I'm a big ESU fan also!
Thanks for the review, I have BNSF units but review still good. Question, are you working on layout? Enjoyed your layout vids but have not seen any.
Thanks! I will be getting back to the layout around the Holidays, whenever I have some time off work...
~Deryk
GO, GEVO, GOOOO!
Where have you been miss looking at your videos did you finish your room layouts I had to take mine down because I live in an apartment building the new landlords and didn’t want me to have fun just checking on you and your family
i got my trains to day all i did was look in the box and wow look so cool but look's is not all got to see how good the trains run and sound
Awesome!
In February 2019 they are releasing another run of the Tier 4 gevo and hopefully the ditch lights are fixed i lowered the flash rate a tad and that helped a lot cv 112 default 39 mines at 25 and it helps
Thanks Drew for the info. I apprecaite it!
hey where are ya man. haven't seen an update on your layout in a long time. hope you are doing OK there. looking forward to seeing your progress.
I notice they don't put an "F" decal on the white line under the cab... And the Cab Number Font is wrong, under the windows...
Maybe the legendary carpet monster took that bit of grill for its own when you took the shell off Mr DG !! Thanks , Ive now seen this Scale Trains model in two liveries and two reviews now. This model is nice and ordinarily would take the tape . But lets just say "a competitor " has been at "mountain altitude training" and has buzzed down the finishing straight !!
I couldn't agree more! I haven't been able to find the grill anywhere....even in the carpet monster, LOL
On the engine staticy part, is it a poor sample of the turbo spooling up
I believe it is a different soundset than whats in the intermountain, however this isnt much of an issue as with a lokprogrammer you could easily change the prime mover sounds
That's exactly what I will be doing.
Hey Deryk, I just got my BNSF and UP Scaletrains Tier 4's in today and i have the same exact sound issue on my UP..... Which soundfile are you going to try out, Intermountains? let me know bro, Great review as always!
I will probably go with the Intermountain sound file. Also, how do you like your locos?
~Deryk
I like both of them but i can't compare them to Intermountains because i haven't purchased there version. I have 2 of the past release ES44's Intermountain made and they sucked but i know they really stepped up the game on these Tier 4 models. I have a Museum Quality Big blow Turbine, 4 different SD40-2's, Water Tenders, a few Crude oil Tank Cars and a Kit Classics Boxcar all from ScaleTrains and i absolutely love them! These 2 Tier 4 loco are the first purchases I've made from ScaleTrains that i have a found a few issues that are a little disturbing but i can live with them and make adjustments myself. The sound file is like yours and low volume, lighting is definitely to dim which i think i can adjust with lokprogrammer and a few small paint issues. I think the quality control dropped on the release of these compared to there past models, ScaleTrains definitely needs to catch this pronto before it hurts there rep which so far has started on a really good foot.
hey man hows it going been a while i dont do the model rail road much anymore no room for it so i got into building all kinds of models cars, planes, military i do have my trains still
Hey man how have you been? It's been some time since your last upload. Just checking up on ya! Hope all is well!
Hey man I'm buying my first tier 4 gevo what do u suggest scale trains or intermountain
I enjoy your vids. It’s been a while. Will you be posting again?
Deryk, what is happening. You haven’t posted a video update on your layout. Have you left the model railroading hobby? I sure did grad quite a few of your ideas through the years from your channel. Sure would like to know if you will be doing any updates. Thanks Dieter
I've run these kind of locos. 1:1 scale lol. All GE's have a pretty horrible way of not being able to tell when you "grab a notch" in sound. It's hard to tell unlike the EMD's. But even with that, I do agree these sound very choppy in their sound. Hope it helps.
Thanks for the info Matt, I appreciate it! Yeah it sounds a little 'rough' on notch up. Other than that it sounds Great! I love GE sounds actually. Thanks again, and be safe out there!
~Deryk
What's the camera inside the locomotive for
what kind of camera do you use? I like the quality of your videos. Thinking about getting a new one.
I just use a Sony Handycam...believe it our not...
Thanks!
Thanks for your message :-)
Thanks for the reviews... How is the layout coming???
Thanks, once I have some time off work, I will be getting back to the layout. Probably around Thanksgiving and Christmas.
Hey Derrick what has been going on with layout? Haven't seen a video in a while just curious.
I bought the six CSX roadnumbers when they came out. I test ran some of them, the sound on them did not sound right to me at all. One was missing a grille piece, another had a grille piece pop out, and a third unit had a cracked step. I sent them all back and got a refund. Probably won't buy from ScaleTrains again.
Wow! I'm very sorry to hear that. Seems they need to work on QC for sure!
If it was me it would go back. Sounds like it going to brake down. Or maybe gear grind. For the money to many problems. However I do agree that it a very nice model. You just got a lemon. It happen. good luck with it.
What FPS value are you delivering the videos at? The framerate seems to be the cause for jerky slow motion. I've seen this thing creep in real life and it definitely doesn't surge like that video opener.
Timpraetor if I mention in the video about jerkiness, it's while I'm looking at the locomotive, not while looking through the camera.
I was referring to the actual video. When things get transcoded, we often see a 23.97 FPS conversion. By foring a 29.97 / 30 FPS transcode, things end up much smoother.
Timpraetor yeah that was the camera. I will have to check the frame rate.
Looks like the windshields are not seated fully and the engineer side windshield has the top corner missing at least it appeared that way.
I will have to check, might have just been a glare.
A general comment..."Rivet Counter" just doesn't apply to any out of the box factory model, however, A lot of really well detailed trains are available these days. Still, they all need a little something. Regards, Solomon
Yeah, but that's what Scaletrains calls this version.
Not sure but I think that's a Nathan K5la.. I want one on my truck... hahah like the grill comment too
Where did you go?
LEDs are not nearly as good with flashing effects as bulbs. At notch one it seems to be jerky instead of running smooth. Your headlight & missing grill is a horrible job on QC's part. Not a fan of Loksound, wish they put Tsunami 2 in them. Does it double bell if you have the bell on and use the air horn? I prefer the real chain like some of my older Atlas models had and yes it sucks to have to remove the shell but I only had to do it once. And what's the deal with the glue? It's a common issue on their units, are they using a bulky hot glue gun especially where the main body meets the walkway's. The Tsunami 2 notch transition is very smooth sounding and when you turn the bell off it has a realistic sustain to it instead of cutting off sharp.
Front headlight looks yellow as compared to the ditchlights looking white. Switch the front and rear light controls? Have you heard a Tier 4 GEVO notch up in real life? I'm sure ScaleTrains would send you a replacement grill! Roy
Do you by chance know how to turn the volume up on one of these scaletrains gevos I have the same one you do the NS horse head scheme any help would be appreciated thanks derek
Master Volume is CV 63 You can set a value of 0-192 Try that.
DG Modelworks thank you
Did it work?
Weight of the loco is good...bearing caps look good but do roll properly. Parts dont appear strong and as per video they are loose and breaking. Alternate lights are not appearing noticable. There is something wrong with the sound on notch up. Is scale trains models worth buying. Please advise.
Scaletrains makes some really great models. With all the extra details and parts that manufacturers are installing on these models you run the risk of having loose or missing parts. Every manufacturer has this problem. The highly detailed models look fantastic, but there is also the risk involved with that. Scaletrains has great customer service though, and they will take care of any issues that might arise. As for the sound when notching up, that was a custom sound file that was created for Scaletrains locomotives. It is supposed to be an accurate sound, but I agree with you, I don't like it. If you have any knowledge with the ESU Lokprogrammer, you can reprogram the decoder with a different sound file from ESU. I did that, and it sounds much better.
@@DGModelworks Thanks for reverting 👍
I love my scale trains tier 4 engine. I actually have the sister of your 3610 I have 3611 I got mine back in March of this month and last night I decided to run it just to see what it would do put it on the track let it start up started out fine. Went to takeoff and it shut off and it would not cut back on. Someone told me that I needed a different track and different controller to start it up. He’s had the same issue I did, and he said his started out fine after that if you could tell me what I did wrong I would greatly appreciate it. If I can’t figure out the problem I have to send it back to get see what’s wrong hopefully what that gentleman had told me is hopefully the problem. Thanks in advance. Let me know please
Oh wow, I'm sorry to hear that. I'm not sure what would cause that. What controller are you using?
The loco's are nice looking but they still seem to have quality control issues. The sound seems to be off to me.
My thoughts exactly!
~Deryk
Hi Deryk. Haven't heard from you in awhile now. Are you ok ? Ray L.
Just checking on ya, hope all good, later
If the springs on the trucks were real it would be amazing.
Our HO scale FRA inspector has inspected the wheels and condemned the unit for thin wheels...lol.
FWIW, I sprung for a Scale Trains BNSF model after having purchased an Intermountain NS unit. Very disappointed in the ST run. The speakers in my unit are defective. Worst sounding locomotive I ever purchased. My roller bearing caps are installed off-center so they wobble. Windshield window glazing pretty bad as evidenced on this video. No window tint to speak of... too light. Paint & details good, but grills appear to be over-sized to allow for show through screens??
The BNSF paint color and printing is really good. Did I mention glue globs on BOTH sides of my unit? Lighting is not what I expected. Light bleed on my unit just as in this review. The IM unit does have independently controlled number board lighting and their walkway lights (fore & aft) are pretty cool. The ditch light housings, while prototypical just looks too big and chunky too me.
Overall, a below average model for all the hype and the $. To me, my ST GEvo just looks like it was rushed through production. My Scale Trains SRR & NS SD40-2's had some of these issues (like with glue, sanding lines, lighting to some extent, and even a cab-to-body glitch on the SRR units), but overall I could handle that with the collective appearance & performance of the locomotives.
I agree, these are a disappointment for me too. For me, about the only thing that is a really positive is... the drive and the fact that it has ESU's powerpak (Keep alive)
Mine sounds the same. I don't like it. I have their SD40-2 and I like the sound much better.
I agree! Apparently it's the prototypical sound for it, but I don't like it. I'm going to reprogram it to another Tier 4 sound file from Loksound.
Yeah my 2 N scale Tier 4's Sound the same. I've been on many of the prototypes. I can say they really dont sound like that when you notch them up. I think it's the speaker/ sound file. I love the engine but don't care for the sound. But the horn and bell sound is dead on. The ditch lights prototypicaly should flash for 30 seconds.
How have you been doing, haven't heard from you in a while, everything ok I hope, miss watching your videos can't wait to see the next one,
I'm good! I took a break from hobby for a little bit, focusing on some of my other interests. I have NOT left the hobby and I will be back. Thanks for checking in! :)
Hi Deryk, glad to hear that you are doing well. Love your videos. Know that you are missed. Looking forward to seeing more videos when and if the time is right for you.
Do they make these in N Scale?
Yes they do!
How much is the NS T 4 can I buy the PTC Antenna details kit
You will have to check with Scaletrains.com
@@DGModelworks ok thanks
The sound on mine is exactly the same. The model is great but the sound is the worst I've ever heard! Such a let down after their Sd40-2.
I was expecting great things but it's real bad!!
Guess I'm have to get it re blown.
A good review. I have four of these locos and notch up sound is the same on all four. It doesn't sound authentic to me, but can anyone comment on this who has actually heard the real thing?
Thank you! Yeah same here..... If you have a Lokprogrammer, you can change the sound file. ESU has 2 versions you can download and use. Scaletrains uses a V4.0 decoder, so download the appropriate file.
~Deryk
Do you live in maryland
Nope, Pennsylvania.
DG Modelworks Hello Deryk I truly Appreciate you Resubscribing Back to my Channel Very much, This means a lot to me I have always enjoyed watching, You Video's Hope to see some new Video's From you In the coming months, Question I bought One Exactly like yours Scale Trains Rivet Counter HO scale Mine is a GE Tier 4 GEVO ET44AC NORTHFOLK SOUTHERN HORSEHEAD ESC LOKSOUND DCC AND SOUND EQUIPPED THE CV'S SETTINGS DO YOU NEED TO GO TO CV 32 ENTER AND THEN ENTER 1 for the volume CV's And those sounds Are they Random settings, Or can you Just Adjust, the CV's separately Those Random sounds of the Compressor The Prime mover, Or The Valve Air Release Mine Didn't come from Scale Trains like yours did, Thank you Deryk For Getting back on my channel Your One Good Man Thanks