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This is such an awesome video! Kudos to you for thinking this up. The only critiques I have (towards the AI) are as follows: • They could sometimes get quite repetitive. It starts out flexible & diverse, but the discussion quickly begins to go in circles. • They make lots of assumptions such as the validity of the Bible or Qur’an as historical sources, without questioning them. For example, John’s Gospel (which made up the bulk of discussion) isn’t even a historically reliable source according to most scholars, and it was written very late and even contradicts the previous gospels (which completely lack the ‘I Am’ statements of Jesus’ alleged divinity). Or, consider that Paul wasn’t even a disciple to begin with, yet the Christian AI readily quoted his writings as if they are authoritative. The Muslim AI should’ve questioned this, especially since there’s a stark contrast between the teachings of Jesus versus the teachings of Paul. The list can go on - but overall I found this stimulating, fun, educational, and highly enjoyable. Thanks for posting, and I can’t wait to see more videos like this! Peace, Your friendly Muslim viewer *_”And do not debate with the People of the Bible, except in the most polite & dignified manner.”_* ~ _The Qur’an __29:46_ ❤
The muslim AI may say, well... other than pedophilia, numerous murders, armed robberies, slave trafficking, rape of captured slaves, torture of prisoners, etc., Mohammed was a very moral man of his time! LOL
Ha. Exactly! After watching human emotion derail so many debates it was refreshing to hear point, counterpoint… not perfect, but hopefully headed in the right direction. I even programmed a line that said “at times, you get frustrated with your opponent…” to test if they would break with their respectful discourse.
@@bankroll_gotti99 i've studied both Christianity and muslim religion , every bit from it and I can confirm and even proove islam is a Satanic religion.
Yeah, it would be odd that God came to deliver the Koran 600 years later to clarify that Jesus was not representing himself as God, but that he was just another messenger. I like the Christian God better because he won't get all psycho on you and kill you for trying to draw a picture of him.😂
@@djjinersonYou guys forget the end of that statement, No man comes to the father by through me, the central issue is not Yeshua it’s Yehovah, Yeshua isYehovahs provision by who we go through to have a restored relationship with the father.
Notice how 90% of the conversation relies on Muslim Ai attacking authenticity of the Bible whilst Christian AI is mainly in defense. The foundation of the argument seems to be based on the Bible which is interesting. I would like to see the algorithm switch roles and add some offence from Christian AI on authenticity of the Quran as the main foundation of the Argument.
My presumption is that the reason it is not based on the Quran is because if it were, the arguments would not be as evenly distributed based on the foundational Morals/Contradiction in the Quran compared to the Bible.
The Quran affirms the Bible (INJEEL) yet the Bible doesn't affirm the Quran. Therefore the Christian has no need to prove anything of the Quran , rather just disprove it using the scripture, as the Quran commands the people of the book. Don't be salty when the dawah gpt script crumbles.
Please do another where the AI' can argue with historical and archelogical evidence outside the texts. Allow the christian ai to use early church fathers and the cathecism and the muslim to use hadiths.
@@yelrahkcorb true, even if you base it from a non religious point of view, Christianity has much more scriptures and testimonies each to their own language unchanged with meaning for the bible while Islam needs extra books to "complete" the Qur'an while Muslims argue if the hadiths are true or not
@@ZIKBK Yeah they always claim we have more than one Bible and it’s changed all the time when none of them agree on the multiple Hadiths they have and every single 13+ Qurans they have for different countries have changed words that change the actual theology of it and if you go to a country with the wrong Quran you can actually lose your life for it.
There’s one small problem… The Bible clearly says, and it was written before the Quran that if we are an angel preach any other message any other gospel let them be acursed… this is exactly what happened with the Muslim faith… While in a cave, Mohammed, was accosted by supposedly the Angel Gabriel, and given a new gospel. this completely contradicts what was just written
Allah means God in Arabic. In the God cited 25 among the thousands. The 25 prophets cited are: Adam (Adam) Idriss (Enoch) Nouh (Noah) Houd Salih Ibrahim (Abraham) Ismâ’îl (Sam) Is-hâq (Isaac) Ya’qoub (Jacob) Lut (Lot) Youssuf (Joseph) Ayyoub (Job) Chu’ayb Moussa (Moses) Haroun (Aaron) Dhou-Lkifl Dawoud (David) Sulayman (Solomon) Ilyas (Elijah) Alyassa’ (Elisha) Younus (Jonas) Zakariyyae (Zacharia) Yahya (John) ‘Issa (Jesus) Muhammad ﷺ Each messenger had a specific mission from God. For example: Abraham, Noah, Jonah, Jesus and Muhammad are all messengers but are not necessarily in the same geographical location. Each Prophet, with the realities of the people of his time. I know that some will tell me that Jesus is a God. I refer you to the Bible. John 5 30: I can do nothing of myself: as I hear, I judge; and my judgment is right, because I seek not my own will, but the will of him who sent me. John 15, 26 And Jesus said, "When the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who is from the Father, he will testify of me;" In the Quran Surah 19 we 16 Mentions, in the Book (the Quran), Maryam (Mary), when she withdrew from her family to a place towards the East. 17 She put a veil between herself and them. We sent her Our Spirit (Jibril [Gabriel]), who presented himself to her in the form of a perfect man. 18 She said: “I take refuge from you with the Most Merciful. If you are pious, [do not approach me]. » 19 He said: “I am indeed a Messenger of your Lord to give you the gift of a pure son. » 20 She said: “How can I have a son, when no man has touched me, and I am not a prostitute? » 21 He said, “So shall it be!” This is easy for Me, says your Lord! And We will make him a sign to the people, and a mercy from Us. It's a matter already decided. » 22 So she became pregnant [with the child], and she withdrew with him to a distant place. 23 Then the pains of childbirth brought her to the trunk of the palm tree, and she said: “Woe is me! That I had died before this moment! And that I was totally forgotten! » 24 Then he called to her from beneath her, saying, “Do not be distressed. Your Lord has placed a spring at your feet. 25 Shake the trunk of the palm tree towards you: it will make fresh and ripe dates fall on you. 26 So eat and drink and let your eyes rejoice! If you see anyone from among humans, say [to him:]: “Assuredly, I have vowed a fast to the Most Merciful: therefore I will not speak today to any human being. » 27 Then she came to her people carrying him [the baby]. They said: “O Maryam (Mary), you have done a monstrous thing! 28 “Sister of Hârûn, your father was not an evil man and your mother was not a prostitute. » 29 She then gestured towards him [the baby]. They said, “How should we speak to a baby in the cradle? » 30 But (the baby) said: “I am truly the servant of Allah. He gave me the Book and appointed me Prophet. 31 Wherever I am, He has made me blessed; and He recommended to me, as long as I live, prayer and Zakat; 32 and kindness to my mother. He didn't make me violent or unhappy. 33 And peace be upon me on the day I was born, and on the day I die, and on the day I am raised alive. » 34 Such is 'Isa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary): word of truth, of which they doubt.
@@M.ArsalanKhan-gs6zp there’s tons of evidence… Josephus the historian as well as many other living not too long after Jesus comment on His life. In fact there’s at least as much writing about Him as Cesar. In fact there are writings from Roman officials to one another about His life.
@@M.ArsalanKhan-gs6zp As someone who was once a very strong atheist who would often debate my christian colleagues in academic institutions, the argument that Jesus did not exist is something no atheist worth their salt has ever attempted to defend. Jesus of Nazareth is a historical figure with numerous corroborating accounts that solidify him in non-religious, impartial academic historical literature as a prominent speaker and religious leader of Jewish descent. Even Jesus's crucifixion is well-documented abiblically. Just read through the Wikipedia page on "Sources for the historicity of Jesus" if you want to educate yourself, and you can see the cited literature if you wish to go deeper than that.
@@vivelamusiquereggaejazzblu3509bro give it up. Did you watch the vid? Your Muslim AI got destroyed by facts, logic, and God’s scripture. Go get baptized bro Jesus is king forever and ever.
@@M.ArsalanKhan-gs6zpeyewitness testimony. Also your lack of knowledge doesn’t equate to a lack or evidence, you just gotta go and do your research honestly.
the point system is weird here, i dont follow either religion but the muslim AI would respond with logic somertimes then the christian AI quotes scripture and get more points, its irritating for example when the muslim AI said at the start of the debate why does god need to take a human form to forgive sin the AI quotes a bible verse that means you need to sacrifice blood to forgive sin but the answer doesnt have any logical merit to it and doesn't answer the muslim AI question yet got more points than it
@@JonOleksiuk The trinity concept didn't exist in the entire bible. Even Paul didn't believe in the trinity. I'm using Chatgpt, before I ask certain questions there is no input about any religions. The AI always chose Islam. Why? Because the Bible didn't promote your doctrine. Jesus never preach about trinity neither original sin. He himself didn't want to die. He himself have a God (John 20:17). How can God have a God?
Good questions. i actually had the models do a whole debate on that subject. here it is if you want to learn more about both sides of the argument th-cam.com/video/S0ScOgaDdNE/w-d-xo.html
But both the question and the answer given would be considered Illogical, from an evolutionist worldview. So I don't see how a person without a creationists worldview would consider either of those logical.
Notice how the Muslim AI uses the Bible to support its arguments than later in the end says it's changed, secondly the Christian AI never uses the Quran for its arguments, always refers back to the Bible. The Bible can hold its own while the other uses the Bible to justify its claim rather than later say it's changed when it doesn't fit its argument.
Machines can understand only what you tell them, that's what you tell her to speak, coming to your comment 'muslims use the bible to support their argument' you are wrong brother, we don't need bible to support our argument we have the evidence that no one can stand against it, we only tell you what you haven't read from it(bible), next time you are better to read your Bible very well, you are far away to compete with Quran
@@josiahserrano6651 Muslims should stop quoting the Bible when debating since they hold to the position that the Bible has been corrupted.... If the Bible have been corrupted, then the best advice to the muslims is to stick to the Qur'an and their Islamic sources when debating with Christians just as the Christian AI stuck with the Bible in the debate. If you use the Bible which u believe as been corrupted to back ur arguments then there is a cognitive dissonance on ur part since you people believe that the Bible is corrupt.... This is just an advice to the muslims and the christians
One thing that's true that the Islam says about the Holy Bible being changed is it hasn't been completely changed. It had been sweaked a little here and there, but those changes made a great difference on how many perceive the Word. Our leadership should take a few classes in history from the scrolls to the book to who made the book to did they make their own personal changes and why. To say I love God with all my heart, soul, and strength. Don't you want to know the whole truth?
*What your imams don't tell you* Allah himself testifies that he has a son and he is the son as Christians understand it! Only the Koran writer was too ignorant to know what Son of God means! Allah's word which created everything is Allah himself too! *The Word Allahs which created everything is the Son of God according to Christianity!*
@@Hannestv4607 brother i dont think u know what ur sayin. 1 show me where Allah(swt) testifies this, 2 the writer of the Quran is Allah(swt) bro, then it was revealed to the prohpet(pbuh)
My friend. Are you saying that the Word of Allah does not exist according to the Quran? The Word of Allah is the Son of God! Son of God does not mean that God has a child!
Hebr 1,2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, *by whom also he made the worlds;* as everyone can see the term Son of God refers to the Word of God = god himself! For through that God created the worlds! *this is a mistake in the Qur'an!*
Main Argument: Jesus as a Historical Figure and Religious Leader, Not Divine Oh, let’s just take a moment to appreciate the idea that Jesus was merely a remarkable teacher and moral guide, rather than some celestial being. I mean, who needs divine status when you can just preach about love, humility, and monotheism? It’s not like he ever pointed the spotlight on himself, right? Just look at Mark 12:29, where he’s all about directing worship to God, not himself. Clearly, he saw himself as a humble servant of the Almighty, not the Almighty himself. Counter-Argument from Christianity: The Doctrine of the Trinity But wait! Here comes the Christian counter-argument, waving the Trinity flag high. Apparently, Jesus is part of this divine trio, equal to God the Father and the Holy Spirit. They love to throw around verses like John 1:1, claiming that Jesus was not just hanging out with God but was, in fact, God. And let’s not forget the resurrection-because, obviously, only a god could pull off a magic trick like that and come back from the dead. How convenient! 1. Key Logical Flaws in the Christian Argument Oh, the Trinity! What a delightful puzzle that is. You’ve got one being that’s somehow three persons-because who doesn’t love a good contradiction? It’s like trying to fit a square peg in a round hole while insisting it’s a perfect fit. Monotheism? Sure, but let’s throw in a tri-personal twist just to keep things interesting. Because, obviously, a being can be both one and three at the same time without breaking any logical laws. And then there’s Jesus, the supposed all-powerful deity, who can’t even handle a little prayer without calling on a higher power. I mean, what’s up with that? If you’re God, why are you asking for help? Sounds a bit needy, don’t you think? A true god wouldn’t need to pray; that’s just a sign of weakness-definitely not a divine trait. Let’s not forget Jesus’ charming little human quirks. He had needs, emotions, and even mortality-how quaint! It’s almost like he was just a regular guy instead of the omnipotent being he’s supposed to be. I mean, who wouldn’t find it perfectly logical that an all-powerful deity would get tired or suffer? That’s just classic divine behavior, right? And then we have the Islamic perspective, which is just a breath of fresh air. Jesus is a prophet, not divine-what a novel idea! The Quran gives him a nod for his miraculous birth and teachings but draws the line at calling him God. Surah Al-Ma'idah 5:72 makes it crystal clear: saying Allah is Christ is just blasphemy. Islam keeps it simple with a strict monotheistic view, because why complicate things with divine partners? That would just ruin the whole concept of unity and transcendence. So, here’s the grand finale: the whole Trinity thing and Jesus being human really throw a wrench in the idea that he’s divine. Sure, he’s a big deal in the religious world, but let’s be real-his vibe is more like that of a wise teacher or a prophet, not some celestial being. And guess what? Islam totally backs this up by giving him a shout-out while still hammering home that God is one and can’t be split into pieces. How original!
Muslim AI is debating like Muslims debaters, repeating itself over and over without making any point. Note: jesus christ is lord and God 💯%. Without him the second death "HELL" you will not escape it.
it did get a bit repetitive towards the end. Again, I did this without human intervention, perhaps in the future, a moderator could keep the conversation from looping back to certain scriptures. Maybe repeating a scripture is penalized, i don't know... thanks for the note.
To you it doesn’t make sense because the concept inferential reasoning is not natural or possible for people that are indoctrinated into taking everything word for word.
I think Christian AI held back. There are verses that eliminate any counter argument verse of the Quran and there Quran verses that confirm the Bible Scriptures as true. In other words, the Quran defeats itself.
@@cylonsteve2511it doesn’t tho, if you read chapter 5 verse 44, you will see that the rabbis was given a job to preserve the other manuscripts, But in al baqarah verse 179, it comfirms they failed the test and changed the verses with their hand.
@@BlackMamba-wi2qk Consider these: [Quran 2:136] Say, "We believe in God; and in what was revealed to us; and in what was revealed to Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the Patriarchs; and in what was given to Moses and Jesus; and in what was given to the prophets-from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and to Him we surrender. [Quran 3:3] He sent down to you the Book with the Truth, confirming what came before it; and He sent down the Torah and the Gospel. [Quran 3:184] If they accuse you of lying, messengers before you were accused of lying. They came with the proofs, and the Psalms, and the Illuminating Scripture. [Quran 6:154] Then We gave Moses the Scripture, perfect for the righteous, and explaining everything clearly, and a beacon, and mercy, that they may believe in the encounter with their Lord. [Quran 5:46] In their footsteps, We sent Jesus son of Mary, fulfilling the Torah that preceded him; and We gave him the Gospel, wherein is guidance and light, and confirming the Torah that preceded him, and guidance and counsel for the righteous. [Quran 5:47] So let the people of the Gospel rule according to what God revealed in it. Those who do not rule according to what God revealed are the sinners. [Quran 10:94] If you are in doubt about what We revealed to you, ask those who read the Scripture before you. The truth has come to you from your Lord, so do not be of those who doubt. [Quran 4:136] O you who believe! Believe in God and His messenger, and the Book He sent down to His messenger, and the Book He sent down before. Whoever rejects God, His angels, His Books, His messengers, and the Last Day, has strayed far in error. [Quran 16:43] We did not send before you except men whom We inspired. So ask the people of knowledge, if you do not know. [Quran 21:7] We did not send before you except men, whom We inspired. Ask the people of knowledge, if you do not know. [Quran 40:78] We sent messengers before you. Some of them We told you about, and some We did not tell you about. No messenger can bring a miracle except by leave of God. Then, when the command of God is issued, fair judgment will be passed, and there and then the seekers of vanity will lose. [Quran 41:43] Nothing is said to you but was said to the Messengers before you: your Lord is Possessor of Forgiveness, and Possessor of Painful Repayment. [Quran 41:44] Had We made it a Quran in a foreign language, they would have said, "If only its verses were made clear." Non-Arabic and an Arab? Say, "For those who believe, it is guidance and healing. But as for those who do not believe: there is heaviness in their ears, and it is blindness for them. These are being called from a distant place. [Quran 46:12] And before it was the Book of Moses, a model and a mercy. And this is a confirming Book, in the Arabic language, to warn those who do wrong-and good news for the doers of good. [Quran 5:43] But why do they come to you for judgment, when they have the Torah, in which is God's Law? Yet they turn away after that. These are not believers. All the above verses in the Quran would not have been revealed if scriptures before were not true. About the Law, Jesus said: Matthew 5:17 (NIV) “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them." I know it is hard to believe God has so much love (Greek: Agape) he would actually become Holy title of The Son of Man. But it is true.
@@JonOleksiuk see.. look at your response to such recommendations. Clearly this is a attempt to attack Islam and not a sincere search of truth. You have answered your own question to me above . Completely biased. Happy with a suggestion to put ex Muslim .. what happened to the balancing of putting also ex Christian , current Jew ex Jew current Hindu ex Hindu etc etc etc This is a waste of time! Now I see your real intention
@anitaaziz3255 to clarify... i also think an ex-Christian vs. Christian, ex-Jew vs. Jew, ex-Hindu vs Hindu are interesting ideas that would generate a lot of good conversation.
As a Christian myself, I found this really dumb. AI just kept arguing the same points back and forth, and yet different point values were given out each time. Not only that, but the debate is pointless in and of itself. Two MAJORLY opposing religions, which are the complete opposites of each other, could never have an honest debate to begin with.
Yeah these AI aren't smart enough. They basically cite scripture back and forth to counter eachothers argument, which even considering how much sense they make. Its not clear how an impartial judge gives out points when both sites quite scripture that supports their claims
The points the judge gives out are on a literary rubric, the kind you would use for two people debating equally valid opinions based on equally valid facts. It deducted points any time an AI did not make a strong enough verse citation which is a terrible metric for judging the strength of an argument. The actual debates by real people inevitably veer into debating the truth of those underlying, incompatible facts. It's the only way you can possibly reach a conclusion when one book explicitly says "he is not" and the other says "he is." My preferred tactic is to look at those passages that say "he is not" and ask "if this was the all-knowing God speaking to Jesus, why doesn't he know what he's talking about with the third part of the Trinity?" It's a fun early checkmate as you get to watch a Muslim either explain how Allah is wrong, how the book is wrong, how Muhammad was wrong, how Christians are wrong about what Christians believe, sputter something about Saints, try to completely change the topic, or leave.
*What your imams don't tell you* Allah himself testifies that he has a son and he is the son as Christians understand it! Only the Koran writer was too ignorant to know what Son of God means! Allah's word which created everything is Allah himself too! *The Word Allahs which created everything is the Son of God according to Christianity!*
@@Hannestv4607ah yes the koran writer was ignorant. the only one ignorant is you commenting about a religion without understanding or researching at all about it.
@@juliorosado3709 exactly, also Q says Jesus as an infant gave life to a clay-bird by 'breathing' into it, just like how God created Adam. They also affirm (khalimatallah) Jesus will be the judge of all the earth
@@juliorosado3709 and God is the Word, I forgot the verse but it went something like, In the beginning was the Word, and the word was with God, and the word WAS GOD.
The Holy Quran is the final book. And the book you call the Bible is not the actual Bible that was given to mankind. And if you watch the DAWAH TH-cam videos you will see proof and citing's of this. Don't believe me, go check the proof yourself.
The problem with Surah Al-Baqarah 2:79 is that we have manuscripts older than the Quran that line up with todays Bible. Also affirming the argument of the Christian AI.
Well I was thinking that too, but the Christian AI had to defend whether Jesus said he was or no. So she shouldn't try to use the Quaran as a means to defend her stance on Jesus, but rather the whole Bible.
Jesus--"I and My Father are One". He also said He wasn't saying to the pharisees that He is God--that that would be blasphemy. So. How do these two Scriptures co-exist? He also said "before Abraham, I AM". These all mean He had a progressive revelation to submit and protect for before the Allotted Time. For before He was to be killed. Which. Yes. He died and rose. Another thing Muslims of which try and make mockery. The Quaran says silliness like mole faces when drumpf is the antichrist. And that the sun sets in boiling water. Why don't people debate those? That effect of the Sun that it looks streaky sometimes, is a reflection on oceans or large bodies of NOT BOILING water. Boiling water has nothing to do with it
This judge was very biased. The Muslim literally answered every question justly yet the Christian couldn’t address why God would need to limit himself to understand human or the fact that killing a human to atone for all of humanity’s sins is unjust.
It’s not unjust, it’s actually justice. We must be punished for our sins because God is just and cannot ignore what we’ve done. But God in His love provided a way for sinners to be saved from the punishment. The only way He can save sinners like you and me is if someone takes our hell-punishment for us. The only one able to do that is God Himself by becoming a man because the sacrifice had to be sinless and perfect. Animal sacrifices were merely a picture of the ultimate sacrifice that would pay for our sins once for all. Leviticus 17:11 “For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls; for it is the blood that makes atonement for the soul.’ Hebrews 9:22 “And according to the law almost all things are purified with blood, and without shedding of blood there is no remission.” Jesus Christ lived perfectly in our place and died, shedding His blood as the propitiation for our sins. He was buried but then He rose from the dead on the third day and ascended to Heaven.
Both sides made bad arguments. And your question has a faulty premise. God doesn't need to punish anything, doesn't need to forgive anything in any particular way. The question is not what did he need to do, it's what did he choose to do.
I don’t think Jesus felt abandoned on the cross. He was merely quoting Psalm 22 to minister to his followers and remind us that he is the fulfillment of that prophecy and to encourage us to take heart as indicated at the end of that chapter.
This was absolutely amazing. The purest definition of Steel-manning. I'm not sure a Muslim could find fault in this nor a Christian for that matter, at least scripturally. I do wish there was more historical context personally like how the Quran was written 600 years after Jesus and the Gospels were written by his eyewitnesses that were with him in life or how the Quran denies his crucifixion when the eyewitnesses proclaim it's validity. Possibly a follow-up vid?
As a Christian I found fault on both sides. The problem with the "AI Christian" side of the debate is the use of the Trinity doctrine which was added by false Christians (foretold by Jesus and the Apostles) after the first century. In particular the quoting of John 10:1 "The Father and I are one," while ignoring John 17:21 where Jesus prays the the disciples would be one "just as he and the Father are one." That would mean all the disciples would become God using their reasoning. That is the proposition Satan gave Eve in the garden of Eden, "You will be like God.." The "AI Muslim" side got more of that right but have other wrong reasonings.
@@peterdavis9403the Bible reaches that God calls us to become like him! We were made in his image and likeness so we are becoming Gods but not like Jesus who is the Word made flesh ! The perfect distinction is made clear all through the Bible that Jesus is God in being the very essence and bodily embodies God as the text clearly states then the word stateseth first begotten from the dead ! God himself became flesh so that can become gods again ! It’s the prayer he prayed he never claimed they were with God in glory like he claimed in that prayer that he was with God in Glory before the foundation of the world! You could not join it together The three are one but all magnifies the other Psalms says he has magnified his word above his name! The Word magnifies his name also And the Holy spirit magnifies both the word and his person !
@peterdavis9403 Christians that believe in the trinity do not believe they're God. Weird Satan reference. Sounds pretty hateful to outright call them fake Christians lol.
@@peterdavis9403trinity doctrine starts in the old testament and is found throughout the Bible. Jews used to refer to it along the lines of a mysterious compound unity or mysterious compound nature. Jews did not fight this idea until after the life of Jesus. At one time nearly any well read jew would have told you that there is a multiplicity to God yet He is still one. After the life of Jesus this was all displaced in an attempt to distance themselves from Christianity. Modern Judaism is a response to Christianity not a continuance of the original faith. Thats why yhe Kabblah was more or less shelved in Jewish faith post Jesus. Even in Genesis you can find God saying He will be somewhere yet He is both in heaven and that location simultaneously. The complex nature of God just didn't have a name until the term "trinity" was coined but it was always present. In the old testament the three are referred to as God the father (or presence of God), the spirit of God, and the angel of God. These three are often used in the same verses as being and doing different things simultaneously while still being God. Even the very language use in Hebrew points to the plurality and oneness of God. Elohim is a plural term that is used for God yet the verbs attached are always singular. If you don't believe Jesus is God then His sacrifice is incapable of covering the sin of humanity.
This is good, but they seemed to repeat some argument structures too much. They lack ability to make deeper prophetic connections between old and new testaments.
Good point. That goes along with islamic teachings (Quran) claiming to be abrahamic (use of the Old Testament prophets and Jesus) but finding sacrificial blood rituals for atonement not from God, something widely spreads in the Scriptures it affirms. Islam and this muslim AI have problems - inconsiderate and flaws. An AI is just an ai anyway and Islam is just it.
Also it lacks some specific nuance. Like theologically the moment you admit Jesus was with God in the begining, it already establishes Him as God, not as servant.
@@gamer__dud10so why did the religious leaders take stones to stone him , on more than one occasion , for blasphemy. That wasn't figuratively. He was lying or he was God .
The Quran was written about 600 years after Jesus, in the early 7th century. So, for accurate information about Jesus, would you trust those who lived with him and met him (the Gospel), or someone who came 600 years later?
And the ones who lived with him contradicted each other. The Bible is full of fallacies and contradictions as per the video shown as well. It’s about time you go back to the real Bible or come to Quran that affirms the previous revelations.
Revelation 22:18 - For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book: If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book.
I felt sorry for the Muslim AI, it couldn't resort to violence to defeat the opponent and struggled with the Christian AI quotes. For example, it kept saying "when you look at the text this way or that way..." [Paraphrased] instead of giving anything concrete.
God becomes man,sinless. To be a fair judge,live as a man, die as a man.feel our joys and pains. Better equipped to judge fairly, having lived as a man. Would I listen to someone who learned about depression from a book? Or listen to someone who lived through depression and came out the other side. Experience of the situation makes one better equipped to judge or help.
I’ve heard Muslims give far better arguments against the divinity of Jesus than this AI, and I’ve also heard Christians give far better arguments to prove Jesus’ divinity than this AI. My point? Machines will never be better than the human mind. What we should be doing is trying to harness the full potential of the human mind, rather than taking the easy way out by turning to machines
At least Christian's base who our Messiah is from the Old Testament. And we Test the Old Testament Scriptures to the New Testament Scriptures. If the Messiah does not fulfill these ancient Messianic Prophecies then he is a False and Failing Messiah. And during Jesus First coming he Fulfilled 360 Messianic Prophecies. A Mere Man can not fulfill 8 of these Messianic Prophecy. It is very hard to be the Messiah and there is only One yet many false Messiah's are being taught. What is rather sad, is Muhammad never read the Holy Scriptures but people believe His interpretation of the Holy Scriptures! And he denied the Divinity and the Eternal Sonship of the Messiah without even reading and studying the Holy Scriptures. He had little knowledge of the Holy Scriptures. He didn't even know when his different angel Gabriel told him false Revelation amd contradicted the True Angel Gabriel 600 years later. If he known the Scriptures he would of Rebuked the Angel. In Galatians 1:6-10 it says: Galatians 1:6-10 ESV [6] I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel- [7] not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. [8] _But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed._ [9] _As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed._ [10] For am I now seeking the approval of man, or of God? Or am I trying to please man? If I were still trying to please man, I would not be a servant of Christ. To distort the Gospel you have to teach completely the oppisite. And let the man Muhammad amd his different angel Jibreel be accursed!
Yes, it's beneficial for you, but the AI has considered these arguments numerous times. It can process and calculate various points without needing to explicitly state them. This is the power of machines while you might think of one counter-argument, the AI has thousands and can reach much deeper conclusions than a human. If you truly want to discuss AI, you need to understand how it operates. The AI knows it's communicating with another AI. otherwise, it wouldn't speak so recklessly. Next time you should know the depths of an AI and you should try why the ai came to that conclusion than you have your answer.
It's funny how the debate immediately started citing more Christian Scriptures and quoting the Quran much less. It's almost inevitable for Muslims, they must refute the Scriptures that came before the Quran in order to accuse the Scriptures of being corrupt and claim that the Quran is the Word of God. Let's be fair, that's something impossible to be done when you compete with the actual Word of God.
Because there's no contradiction in Quran. The Christian AI cannot use it as arguments. However, in the bible there's many contradictions that can be used as arguments
@@Yassine3333222222 Funny how all the supposed contradictions have been easily answered by the Christian AI, but the Muslim one would make the same questions about the same verses over and over
The Muslim AI is very weak, I myself am better than him. First of all, there's a very important question, Jesus never called himself God or ordered us to call him God. Do we have the right to do so!!? From where we got that right!!? From no one, it's an invention. It adds to the scripture. Second, let's summarise everything: Jesus in the bible --> • Prays to God. • Is sent by God. • Obeys God. • The Father is his god. • Heard the truth from God. • Learned from God. • Cries to God. • Said that the father is the only true God. • Doing only the will of the father. • Has been given the authority and power by God. • Glorified by God. • Raised by God. Conclusion: Jesus doesn't have any difference with him or a prophet of God. They have the same purpose, same human nature, and he died in the cross as human nature because God can not die. All Christianity can be debunked only by the bible itself.
@@Yassine3333222222 Exodus 3:13-15 Then Moses said to God, “Indeed, when I come to the children of Israel and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they say to me, ‘What is His name?’ What shall I say to them?” And God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And He (God) said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, 'I AM has sent me to you. Jesus said to them (the Jews), “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.” John 10:32 Jesus answered them, “Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?” 33 The Jews answered Him, saying, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.” Jesus did claim to be God.
@@ebcsecurity9490Lol how? Literally no one says that, bring me evidence that it is fabricated (keep in mind everything q ehave is from the earliest manuscripts, and if not it is marked. John 14:6 is found in the earliest manuscripts.)
@@lowballinn These are the names of the first and last letters of the GREEK!!!!! alphabet. That alone tells you all you need to know. But moving on. The additional occurrence of this phrase in the King James rendering of Revelation 1:11, however, does not receive support from some of the oldest Greek manuscripts, including the Alexandrine, Sinaitic, and Codex Ephraemi rescriptus. It is, therefore, omitted in many modern translations. Because its an interpolation (fabrication).
It's also what Protestants do when they argue against Catholics. Protestants just bring their own interpretation, which tends to be weak, tinfoil hat wearing theology.
@@entertaininformmedia7836 You’re missing the point. Jesus wasn’t calling himself God (which is the debate topic), but only a special servant of God. This is why he quoted Psalm 82:6, which also says that mortals are the ‘sons of God’ and even ‘GODS’ (elohim). Do you see the point now? Your flawed assumption is thinking that “son of God” means the same thing you believe it does today-when in fact, ancient Jewish vernacular was comfortable calling all sorts of people the “son of God” as a figurative title, such as Jacob (Exodus 4:22), King David (Psalm 2:7), and even Adam in the New Testament (Luke 3:38) of the “peacemakers” by the lips of Jesus in Matthew 5:9. This doesn’t mean God is 32-in-1. It’s just a metaphorical way to say “righteous servant of God” which Christians have stretched, exaggerated, and tacked onto Jesus while forgetting its original meaning. So the only career-ending admission is on you, I’m afraid :) Peace.
@@DanyelBasko Christianity has lost the real argument, because objective historical study & analysis has now conclusively revealed that the ancient Jewish rabbi named Jesus who taught on the streets of Galilee, NEVER claimed to be a divine incarnation of God as part of a Trinity, but only believed himself to be the Messiah, and God’s prophet & messenger (see Mark 8:29, Matthew 21:11, Luke 24:19, Mark 6:4, etc.). The debate is literally over. It’s not a matter of faith anymore. We can analyze the sources and see what the historical Jesus REALLY taught (not what people falsely put into his mouth or taught about him decades and centuries later), and the conclusion agrees 100% with Islam. Not with Pauline Christianity. I hope you read the Qur’an for yourself (God’s final revelation) and please repent before it’s too late. Worship God alone-who is both Christ’s Lord and your Lord. Peace.
@@celestialknight2339 John 8:58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.” Jesus claims to precede in existence his own physical form. Not only that, but he transcends time. Why? Because he didn´t say I WAS, He said I AM. Only God can exist at different moments at the same time, because God is omnipresent as well as omnipotent. The Quran itself says Jesus was God´s spirit and word. SPIRIT OF GOD, inside a human body = JESUS, King of Kings, Son of God, the Son of man and redeemer of our souls. May He have mercy on us, and on all muslims who take the word of a man over Him, who gave His own life to give you everything.
@@UseReasonForgetDogma The Gospel of John is historically unreliable, coming last of the four Gospels written around ~70-100 A.D., with significant theological & legendary embellishment over time. We can see this evolution over the four gospels as the titles, actions, and statements of Jesus (like the ‘I Am’ you just shared) change & become bigger as you from the earliest account (Mark) to the latest one (John), almost like a snowball getting bigger as time goes on. Historians & Bible scholars have already confirmed this, and they can trace back the real historical Jesus to what the earliest layers of evidence reveal-and that is namely that he was only an apocalyptic prophet-messenger of God, who did not see himself as divine. John 8:58 is no doubt a later legendary fabrication put into his lips, which is shockingly why we can find this statement in NONE of the earlier 3 Synoptic gospels-Mark, Matthew, or Luke. The Qur’an takes us back to the original truth, which perfectly supports the historical evidence and makes sense with REASON-as your name suggests-that Jesus upheld the Hebrew Biblical prophets and their consistent message of monotheism and repentance, and did not suddenly change it into a Trinity and atonement via the cross (as you now falsely believe). This theology came from Paul, who never met Jesus and even insulted his disciples, yet authored nearly HALF of your New Testament. Please repent, and use reason 🙏🏼 Peace.
The ending had me on the floor. If you can do this again, but include extra-biblical support from contemporaries or even study of etymology and the Greek, Hebrew and Aramaic languages as part of the debate. It would be more interesting. I say this because during the part about the I AM arc, the fact that "Before Abraham was" was completely glossed over by the Muslim counterpart as irrelevant, when it should have been addressed that Jesus being ALIVE with God during creation puts him outside of merely being in an "honored" status. They fail to reconcile how Jesus' pre-existence doesn't immediately prove his divinity, since all things were created by Christ. How can a non-deity exist prior to all things being created? Nothing in either holy texts claim an eternal being, having no beginning and no end, is anything other than God. Prophets never accepted worship though, "highly revered" is not the same as "accepted worship" not a single prophet in the history of ever accepted worship and the scriptures approved of it.
Now imagine giving early church father resources and extra biblical writings from the churches. Yeah, I have a feeling Christianity would win that as all the thinking that’s been put in for the past 2 millennia
Who visited Abraham and wrestled with Jacob? Who spoke to Moses? Sure, it was angels that visited Lot, that's certain, but the Lord himself who appeared before the others. Yet, Jesus claims noone has ever seen the Father. Thus, Jesus has appeared in human form even in the old testament, acting and speaking for his father.
@@school-replacement if someone believes in a book, then you would use that book to show that their belief is flawed, even if that book is corrupted because it is stupid to use a book A to show that book B is corrupt when you can just use the corrupted parts of book B to show that book B is corrupted and flawed. This stupid argeument of "oh you think the bible is corrupt then why use it to prove your point?" You live your whole life abiding by this book, why would you believe the quran if i used quranic verses if you dont believe in it? It seems christians cant think their arguements through,.
@@rxyy4ne560 No, when book B claims to be a continuation, a sequel, to book A you present the many inconsistencies between the books. For that you will need book A. Both Mohammed and Jesus do that. Jesus claims to be the fulfillment of the Old Testament And I can easily show you how He fulfills the Old Testament. Here are prophecies detailing the Messiah...... 'the Lord himself will give you a sign. Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel' (God with us) (Isaiah 7:14) 'For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace' (Isaiah 9:6) And also..... 'He was despised and rejected by men, a man of sorrows and acquainted with grief; and as one from whom men hide their faces he was despised, and we esteemed him not. Surely he has borne our griefs and carried our sorrows; yet we esteemed him stricken, smitten by God, and afflicted. But he was pierced for our transgressions; he was crushed for our iniquities; upon him was the chastisement that brought us peace, and with his wounds we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned-every one-to his own way; and the Lord has laid on him the iniquity of us all' (Isaiah 53) A.ka Jesus Christ, The Son of God
The concept of allowing Himself to be limited by human form is actually quite interesting, because God without limitations is merely omnipotent as a characteristic. However being omnipotent WITH limitations and surpassing them, is omnipotent in action. It’s actually proving it and showing it, if there’s nothing to overcome you can’t really qualify yourself as an omnipotent. It’s like saying you’re courageous and brave, but you’ve never faced anything that made you afraid.
"Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;" Philippians 2:6 "No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of My own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This charge I have received from My Father.” John 10:18
@@TTellKey That's one of my favorite Bible verses, give me chills Everytime. It's like Christ had everything to boast about with Him being God Himself but instead He humbled Himself to the lowest of lows.
The Muslim AI, doesn't argue like Muslims typically argue. It didn't once redirect, deflect, or run away from any of the questions. Even though the Christian AI won the debate, Muslims can take note of how a debate is supposed to go and that Jesus is GOD. Be blessed 🙌🏽
the Tora was complete before islam existed and the Tora does not mention allah. Christians are not to reconcile anything to any part of kuran. Christ did as he did to teach People how to live as a child of God.
Ask Jews if Allah is the same God in their books, they will say yes. Islam is Monotheistim Allah is the God of Moses and Jesus. While Jew don't believe in Jesus, in Islam Jesus and Moses are our prophets, the Quran is the last testament, the Quran abrogates the old and new testament.
@@faisalabdelkarim6457no it doesn’t because the Quran wouldn’t say kill all unbelievers if the Jews believed in the same God they would not have fought them
In every sin you made, there is always a price to pay. In every transgression you have done, there is a consequence to be paid, you may be forgiven but you must pay the price.. but thanks to Jesus, he paid it all..
If you address it’s very self it would highly indeed, or ask it to do something it cannot. AI is still a product so it has liability it has to account for, which is why companies will always program it to say it is just a x and y model and can only do this for you. Cmon bro lol Also “how far AI has come” bro this was not a show of progress they are programmed to say that, it’s not a matter of technology or improved progress 😭
This is the greatest idea for a video with using AI! Great job! Great way to implement it as well! F***ing genius! Now that I've watched the whole thing, there were a few things the AI got wrong. Overall they did a pretty good job on the debate
He used offline AI model whose data we can add and change according to our own perspective. which is definitely not objective. You can also make it in the LM studio application.
The Muslim AI keeps quoting John 5:30 but in the context of the rest of the chapter, Jesus is talking about being one with the father, rather than a polytheistic deity. He is saying that if you separate him from the father, and therefore make him a separate deity, he would be nothing, as God is one deity. The problem with this video is they debate verses, not chapters, and don’t provide context from other books within the Bible.
@lessardo87 the issue with your statement is the *and therfore make him a separate deity*. I belive that I am one with God. But I do not think that I am a deity. I belive this meaning to be the same as the saying * we were all of one mind* meaning in agreement or alignment.
Does polytheism even come up anywhere in John 5? Having read John 5, I take it that your interpretation may have something to do with the wording in John 5:18, where John writes that the Jews were seeking to kill Jesus because they interpreted His actions as Him making Himself equal with God? Is this what you have interpreted to mean that the Jews thought Jesus was making Himself a second deity, and that Jesus then spoke the words in John 5:30 as part of a long teaching where He was declaring Himself not to be a second deity, but a second person of the one deity?
That's not what John 5:30, or John 5 is about. You were right that John 5:30 is part of a passage where Jesus is testifying that He is one with the Father. But He isn't testifying to the Jews that He's God. He's testifying to them that He is one with God. The way that He is one with the Father according to John 5 includes: 1. He seeks to do the Father's will and not His own. In this way, both Jesus and the Father are seeking to accomplish one individual's will - the Father's (see John 5:30). 2. He does nothing on His own except He sees the Father doing it. What He does is not what He comes up with Himself, but what the Father shows Him to do. In this way, Jesus' actions are the Father's (see John 5:19-21; compare v26). 3. His power and authority is from the Father (not from Himself). In this way, both Jesus and the Father are operating with the same authority and power of one individual - the Father (see John 5:27; compare v30; see also John 5:21 compare vv26-27).
The AI doesn't understand humility. Submission of the Son to the will of the Father is the greatest example of humility. He made the will of the Father, He gave all the glory to the Father. Perfect humility, for that reason God put His Son at His right hand in His throne, and gave Him all power and authority. The Father gives testimony of His Son. The Son gives testimony of the Father. The Holy Ghost gives testimony of the Father and the Son.
@@deborahsmith5285Trinity works perfectly 1. God 2. God has a spirit which means the spirit is still God 3. God spirits formed flesh , which means still God. It’s the same God that has a spirit that formed flesh . In Judaism God has always had an inseparable spirit. Islam comes to contradicts Gods nature even when 4:171 clearly states that Allah has a spirit and he breathes that spirit upon Mary womb to form a pure boy that will be a sign and mercy to mankind.
👚THE GOSPEL OF THE WORD OF ALMIGHTY GOD "the last age in which God is saving man from the imminent destruction of this old world" (These things must be spoken directly and clarified for the sake of human understanding, or man will not be freed from Satan's influence. The ways that Satan corrupts people only on a superficial level; Even worse are the deceptions that hide under this outward form that Satan uses to achieve his goal. What is this scam? Forced occupation--this gives a very strong effect. (And makes a tempting offer, and this is lying.) Is lying not the same as fraud? The purpose of lying is actually to deceive you! Are there any other scams? (It tempts, harms, blinds and deceives) (it controls man, holds man, frightens man greatly and prevents man from believing in God.) What does this mean by "coercion"? This means using threats and coercive tactics to force you to comply with it making you think about what might happen if you don't comply. What does "fraud and trickery" entail? Satan makes up several stories and lies, tricking you into believing them. It will do everything to achieve its goals. Sometimes it does you a little favor, while it entices you to sin. If you don't obey it, it will torment you and punish you, and it will use various methods to attack you and trap you. The sixth is destruction of body and mind. Which part of man does Satan destroy? (Man's mind and whole being) Satan destroys your mind, deprives you of the ability to resist, which means your heart slowly turns to Satan when you least expect it. This is where Satan dwells, seizing and devouring them. 🙏) Almighty God said WHAT THINGS must be spoken DIRECTLY and clarified for the SAKE of MAN'S UNDERSTANDING, or MAN will NEVER be freed from SATAN'S influence. The WAYS SATAN CORRUPTS PEOPLE are just the SUPERFINE layer; Even WORSE are the deceptions hiding UNDER this OUTER form that SATAN USES to ACHIEVE his PURPOSE. ☀️ WHAT IS THIS SCAM? Mix them together: (It deceives, seduces and intimidates) (It also uses sweet language. When--it influences and forcibly conquers the People.) Forced conquest----this gives a very strong effect . (And makes a tempting offer, and it lies.) Lying is one of the things it does. SATAN LIES to DECEPT you. WHAT is NATURAL LYING? Is LYING NOT the SAME as FRAUD? 😥 The purpose of lying is actually to deceive you! Are there any other scams? (It tempts, harms, blinds and deceives) (it controls the person, holds the person, scares the person very much and prevents the person from believing in God.)🌹🙏🌷 There are SIX MAIN DECEPTIONS that SATAN USES to CORRUPT PEOPLE. The FIRST is control and coercion. That is, Satan will do everything he can to control your heart. ☀️ WHAT DOES "force" MEAN? This MEANS USING THREATENING and FORCING TACTICS to FORCE you to COMPLY with it you THINK about what could HAPPEN if you DON'T OBEY. You are afraid and do not dare to oppose it, so you submit to it. 🌹🙏🌷 The SECOND is fraud and trickery. WHAT does "fraud and trickery" have to do with it? SATAN MAKES UP SOME STORIES and LIES, TRICKING you into BELIEVING them. The THIRD is forced indoctrination. What is forced to teach the People? Is forced indoctrination done by the will of the People? (No) Even if you don't agree, there's nothing you can do. SATAN DOCTRINES you WITHOUT you KNOWING it, IMPRESSING his THINKING, his LIFE POLICIES and his SPIRIT on you. The FOURTH is threats and enticements. That is, Satan uses various tricks to get you to accept it, follow it, work in its service. It WILL DO EVERYTHING to ACHIEVE its GOALS. Sometimes it gives you SMALL favors, WHILE it LEADS you to SIN. If you DO NOT FOLLOW it, it WILL TORTURE you and PUNISH you, and it WILL USE various METHODS to ATTACK you and TRAP you. 🙏🌹🙏 The fifth is deception and paralysis. "Deception and paralysis" is Satan's construction of certain sounding words and ideas to suit the minds of the People, to make it seem as if it takes into account the physical condition of their lives and tomorrow, when the truth is it isits only purpose is to deceive you. Then it paralyzes you so that you do not know what is right and what is wrong, so you are deceived without knowing it and come under its control. The sixth is the destruction of body and mind. Which part of man does Satan destroy? (Man's mind and whole being) SATAN DESTROYES your MIND, REMOVES you of the ABILITY to RESIST, which MEANS your HEART will slowly TURN against SATAN when you least expect it. 😢 It instills these things in you every day, every day using these ideas and cultures to influence and deceive you, slowly destroying you, so that you no longer want to stand up for what you call righteousness. You don't realize it, you don't have it anymore KEEPING SWIMMING AGAINST the CURRENT, INSTEAD of just WAITING for it. "Destruction" MEANS that SATAN TORTURES people so MUCH that they BECOME SHADOWS of THEMSELVES, NO LONGER PEOPLE. This is where SATAN LIVES, CHOKING and SWALLOWING THEM. 🙏 Each of these tricks that Satan uses to CORRUPT MAN can take away man's power to fight; any of these are DEADLY to PEOPLE. Simply put, whatever Satan does and whatever trickery he uses can weaken you under SATAN'S CONTROL and SUBMERGE you in a MASSAGE of EVIL and SIN. These are the DECEPTIONS that SATAN USES to CORRUPT PEOPLE. What are the consequences of Satan's corruption of the People? What corrupt dispositions do they express and reveal? (PRUDENCE and PRIDE, SELFISHNESS and DISGUSTINGNESS, BADNESS and DECEPTION, CRUELTY and MALICUS, and COMPLETE INHUMANITY.) 😪 In sum, we can say that they have no personality. In summary, the things that stand out the most about corrupt humanity are ARROGANCE, DECEPTION, MALICIOUSNESS, and SELF-CONFIDENCE. 😪 However, you all missed one thing. PEOPLE have NO CONSCIENCE, LOST their RIGHTEOUSNESS and have NO HUMANITY----YET there is ONE who does VERY IMPORTANT THING you DIDN'T MENTION, that is, "betrayal" 😢😢 The FINAL CONSEQUENCE of these DISPOSITIONS that EXIST in ANY person the MOMENT they are CORRUPTED by SATAN is their BETRAYAL to GOD. 🙏 From "The Word Appears in the Flesh" Fulfillment of (John 1:1) and (Ezekiel 2:9-10), (Rev. 19:9,13) 📥Calling and leading everyone to His lowered Kingdom or Church because it is still standing on earth in the holy place in the air/ youtube "THE CHURCH OF ALMIGHTY GOD 💐 this is the fulfillment of what He said to Peter 2,000 years ago, recorded in (Matthew 16:18'19). This is the the only Church of each one of our spirit that we must listen to or eat and drink like how we eat, dress and sleep every day so that He can guide us and change us by rejecting the evil attached by satan so as to be perfect, having attained eternal life that will enter the coming replacement of the New Heaven and New Earth. 📩 Note📩 Almighty God said, Life in the Kingdom is the life of people and God Himself. Humanity depends on My care and precaution, and all are engaged in fighting the great red dragon to the death. In order to win this last battle, and to end the great red dragon, all people must offer Me their entire being, for My Kingdom. When I say "KINGDOM", I mean it is the life lived under the protection of divinity, where all humanity I constantly guide, I teach directly, so that the life of all humanity, although in world is as if it were in heaven, the true spirit of life in the third heaven . 🙏
@@rafaeljonathanmonterrosoca8400 The Quran does not claim Abraham offered Issac. The Quran completely ignores the Mosaic sacrificial system while claiming Moses as its prophet.
One thing I notice with this debate is if a real Christian and Muslim where to debate like this, when the Christian quotes scripture the Muslim would say "but the scripture is invalid because it was mistranslated" or you know, whatever it is they specifically say. Essentially a Muslim wouldnt let it be used as an argument. Not to mention how two people will often try to drive the conversation towards a point they can make their strongest point while glossing over the weaker points. Whereas LLMs are specifically made to never steer the conversation in a different direction.
When Muslims entertain what is in the Bible. Just understand that we do that to not shut down the conversation. Because Muslims hold a high stand for authentication of scripture before even entertaining what is in it. Because the verses in the Quran are preserved with a chain of narration for example. One with high standards. The Bible does not even come near the hadith. Which has also a chain of narration and is classified from authentic to weak. Every vers in the Bible would be considered as weak by a Muslim, because there is simply no proof that it came from the source. The only way for us as Muslims to find some shreds of truth within the Bible. Is to compare it with the Quran which we do consider as authentic. There can we find something similar like the first command that our God is one.
Muslims also deny subsequent alterations to the Qur’an. Their scholars say: that should not be discussed when there are contradictions. This debate of the AIs in so far as the Qur’an was very representative in regards to Jesus. Also, Muslims admit that Mary conceived via divine intervention. Therefore, how is it that Jesus would not be divine? There is misunderstanding among Muslims and even Christians that Jesus in human form had limitations like all of us, it does not mean that his essence was one with the father. If God was not in a human body then his sacrifice in the cross and prior torture would mean nothing. In human form God related closer to human suffering and thus show humanity that giving our free will we can also overcome much sacrifices as well but that our spirit or soul is eternal and thus death is conquered- body dies but not the soul.
Both Christians and Muslims believe in Jesus (peace be upon him). So where is the problem here? Jesus (peace be upon him) did not say that those who do not accept him as God will go to hell.
As hilarious as this AI "civility" is, it certainly portrays our own reality, perfectly. Just in the first 6 minutes alone, a Muslim making an argument, receiving an answer, then asking the same question again with a few different words just to get the same answer a different but identical way, lmao. This is the reality of debating a Muslim. Bravo 👏
yea i woulda deducted points everytime a narrative is recycled. its true becuase bible/koran says so! it says its true! but what about that politition that says they talk only truth so thats true for that corrupt politition too?....
Its genuinely just getting the exact same response from the christian AI every time. The christian AI never addresses the point that the muslim ai makes (in part 1 at least) which is that god has no reason to become a human.
"Does the AI system judge arguments based on its comprehensive pre-existing knowledge, thereby understanding the context of both sides, or does it evaluate the arguments purely based on the information presented in the discussions, without any additional background knowledge?"
Any rebuttal might been seen as stronger by an A.I. One works by hand and one can work without hands and why? Daniel 9:27 "He shall be firm in a covenant with many for one week, yet in the midst of a week shall he stop to make sacrifice in the wing. Abomination! The one who spreads desolation spreads desolation even until complete consummation, for the decree that shall be, is a flowing forth." Revelation 12:12b-14 “The false one has come to fall, possessing great wrath, seeing his hold is a short time, for the dragon perceiving a casting out of the Earth shall pursue a woman who gives birth to a male with two wings, it is a great Eagle loving the woman, an order of things, to fly in a wilderness, her place where there is nourishment, time, time, the cutting off time, in the presence of the serpent.” 1) BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA - (the firm week) of 8 years First time as 2009-2012 - Second time 2013-2016 2) DONALD TRUMP - The Cut-Off time 2017-2020 3) JOE BIDEN - an image of a beast time, in the midst of a week, of an image of his time, desolation in Jerusalem to spread to all the world - for then cometh Annihilation, the perishing of the end. SO WHAT IS THE STORY THAT PEOPLE OUGHT TO KNOW??? Amos 1:6-7 “For thus saith Yahweh, “for three transgressions of Gaza, four, I will not revoke being against: they capture people at peace with them (1) and bring them to be shut up (2), bloody (3). And send fire over the wall of Gaza (4), and consume all of the citadels.” Habakkuk 1:9-11 "All come, Hamas, assemble the horde of the east, gather the captives like sand. Mock the ruler, and their judgment a joke, laugh as all strongholds become rubble, seize them, then pass through like the wind, pass through guilty by the strength of your god.” Obadiah 1:10-11 “from out of Hamas, your brother, a deceiver, cover your shame, and you will be cut off forever. In that day you stood afar, on the day the strangers were carried away in strength. And the stranger entered to cast lots for Jerusalem, then you were one of them.” John 5:43 “I am come in My Father's name, and ye receive Me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.” Luke 10:18 “and He (Jesus) said, “I saw Satan as Barack Obama.” Micah 6:16 "It is owed unto America, and all who work the deed and the house Ahaz ("he has grasp the ten") and watch and keep you with their strange counsel. Walk in it for the purpose; I will give you up to desolation. And your inhabitants shall be a derision, for you will bear and be a reproach my people." Daniel 8:25 "and through his cunning treachery shall advance, the hand shall magnify the heart, ruining many, the quiet oppose the prince of princes, for he is broken without hand." Muslims must use their hands like October 7th, 2023, only they in Gaza Strip need West Bank to be in league with them. Hosea 10:10 “It is in my desire that I should chastise them; and the people shall be gathered against them, when they shall bind themselves in their two furrows (West Bank and Gaza Strip).” Obadiah 1:12-13 “Do not gloat over your brother’s day of taking strangers captive, nor rejoice in the day the sons of Judah are destroyed, do not boast in the day of distress. You should never enter at the gate of My people, in the day of their distress. Moreover do not gloat over their calamity in the day of their disaster, sending wealth in the day of disaster.” This is Revelation 11:7-15. Hosea 7:16 “Return ALLAH, deceive to ensnare their princes (the ten idiots from the remains of the Ottoman Empire who already had to deal with Arab Spring and the removal of kings in one month in Egypt, Libya, and Tunisia), they shall fall by the sword of an insolent tongue, they mocking in the land of Egypt” Luke 17:24 “Only as Barack Obama exits heavens in one part and then thus exalts (Allah) Obama, then doeth the Son of man have His day.” Isaiah 14:14 "Allah Obama ab dama elyown." Habakkuk 3:11-13 "From the east the crescent stood at the heights, walking in the light of the weapons, the radiance of Barack (Husein Obama) from the thrust. There is indignation at his march on the Earth; in anger he trampled the nations. He went forth for the salvation of his people; for the salvation he's anointed. Now strike the head of the house of the wicked; lay him open from thigh to neck, commune with the Lifted High." Isaiah 14:27-31 "Yahweh is the head of a force of armies, who can plan to frustrate? If His hand is stretched out who can turn it back? For the year is the year of the brought down king, Ahaz ("ahaz" means "he has grasp the ten"). He is dead is the oracle to come. Rejoice not Palestine though now thee be whole, for the rod who struck has been broken. The serpent is at the root with a venom. It shall go forth as a fruit, a flying forth from the serpent. Those most hopeless shall lie down in bonds, and shall die at the root in need, for their remnant will be slain. Wail at the judgment, cry out city as you melt, O Palestine now whole. For smoke from the North, and none shall break rank." Why does Palestine whole means it melts? Xi and Putin never dreamed of prostration five times a day for seven years. Yet if the power of Christ Jesus confirms in Revelation 11:7-15, then they accept the confirmation and fight. Isaiah 14:16 "They that see thee shall squint, saying, "this the man who shakes the whole world? He shook merely the region of the first." Daniel 8:25 "and through his cunning treachery shall advance, the hand shall magnify the heart, ruining many, the quiet oppose the prince of princes, for he is broken without hand." Xi and Putin don't need to use their hands. 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 "Let not one in any way deceive, it come not unless apostasy of the first of mankind, lawlessness revealed in a Son of destruction. The opposition to appointment exalted above every so called god or object of worship, therefore sit in the temple of a god, and display thyself as that god." 2 Thessalonians 2:8-9 “At that time a lawlessness will be Revelation. The demonstration, of which our Lord will slay with the breath of His mouth, abolishing at the appearing of His coming. One whose presence is in accordance with the power of Satan, all power of signs of falsehood marvelous.” Isaiah 14:18-19 "All the kings of the Earth shall lie down in a manner most glorious, each in a tomb, yet you shall be cast out of a tomb. An abhorrent branch, clothed with the slain yet pierced by a sword. Kneel to the ROCK and descend in a pit to be trampled as a corpse." NOW NOTE, IN THE REBUTTAL, PER THE QURAN, the Muslims who believe in Barack Hussein Obama are seriously fearful for their flesh melting in intense heat. Quran 13:11b-14a says, “Never doeth Allah change the condition of a people, excepting they change themselves, and Allah intendeth evil for all people, and there is no stopping him. Neither doeth he accept an equal. Barack is he who showeth you the face of Allah, giving a fear and a hope, though heavy the clouds and the thunder, exalt and prostrate to him, for even angels fear him, for he sendeth forth thunderbolts, striking whom he wills, while they dispute before the face of Allah, and he is severe in his attack. To him alone are the prayers in truth." Quran 7:45-47 says, “Who shall avert people from the path of Allah? And who will be declared the maker of deception? They were focused on the Hereafter, disbelievers. Between them shall be a barrier a family of men of Obama, who shall recognize them all by their markings. And one (Barack Obama) shall call out to the companions of Paradise, “PEACE ON YOU.” They shall not have entered, but shall have the assurance. And his eyes shall turn towards the people to be torched for they cry out, “Lord let us not be cast into fire among the wicked” but the man Obama shall say, “I know you by your looks, but none of your riches or pride of life shall avail you now, for these men have sworn that you may never earn the mercy of Allah.” Then he shall turn to his own BARACK (the blessing) shall say, “Come with me to paradise, for you will have nothing to fear, neither regret.””
@@iasmirh, an A.I. figures a strength and gives points, then if there is a rebuttal and it seems to cover any major points it gives more points to the rebuttal. Unless a rebuttal was worthless it would always call the rebuttal better. Truth is never found by two people debating or by an evaluator no matter how how smart any speaker is. One has to evaluate the Holy Bible and the Quran on their own merit and that is how an answer between the two would be figured. The same would be true for something like Hinduism and Buddhism. What are the original texts and how much sense do they make, what points do they have, and is the logic of the book sound. Example: if Hinduism has ideas or images that are related to Christianity or Islam that does not strengthen any of the three. Rather does the Quran have a chance of being more accurate on Jesus for example is one thing worth evaluating? Are more witnesses with various testimony a strength or a weakness? If you and I both see a dolphin for the very first time in murky water are we likely to agree with each other? Is one of us more or less accurate? Does the fact that both of us witness make it more likely or less? If we agree on things yet disagree on things what does that even mean? Are your eyes better than mine? Do you have a better vocabulary than I? Who had a better vantage point of the circumstances? Who has familiarity with water animals and who doesn't? Furthermore, why had neither of us ever seen a dolphin before? How well can you study the witnesses? If I told you Muhammed had a specific way of wiping his ass and here was the chain of narration, and then you agree to it, if I then have some new regulations that control your life a lot more than how to wipe your ass and give same chain narration you agreed to why is the new information so quickly forthcoming centuries later on this man?
The great thing about the gospel is that you have Jesus Christ as your representative. And because Jesus is God himself, there's no power in the universe that can stop him from bringing you to heaven.
If Jesus is truly God, why does he need to learn from God? In **John 8:28**, Jesus says he speaks only what the Father has taught him. Did he lose his memory and forgot that he's God!? If he is omniscient, why would he need teachings? This challenges the idea that he's God.
@@Yassine3333222222God is Spirit. Jesus came in the flesh ‘from God’ . His fleshly earthly life was temporary to teach us all things. When he went back to the Father the promise of the gospel is that those who call on the Name of Jesus, in prayer, will receive the Holy Spirit from the Father. And Jesus said WE will come and make our home with you. So Christ within us is the kingdom come to earth, as it is in heaven. And he tells us to Ask Anything in his Name. In prayer. So when we pray to Our Father, in Jesus’ name, they both are ONE in Spirit. Inseparable.
@@missflipz You said he came to teach us, but the problem, he himself is learning from God. That's the problem. And there's very important question, Jesus never called himself God or ordered us to call him God. Do we have the right to do so!? From where we got that right!? A flesh from God is the same concept as a prophet from God. Same thing.
When I consider the Muslim claim that a text written by single man 600 years after Jesus, about Jesus, carries more weight than that of the eyewitnesses themselves, it really makes me question the soundness of their belief. I also take issue with the Muslim AI saying that God forgives unilaterally without atonement. Both Christianity and Islam have the patriarch Abraham, who faithully practiced the offering of sacrifices. Atonement was always necessary, even from the beginning after the fall. God's approval of Abel's sacrifice and rejection of Cain's bears witness to that.
İbrahim didn't believe in sacrifices in order to forgiveness, and you don't understand that when God sends a revelation it doesn't matter when because God is all knowing and therefore he can tell anything many years laters, the Bible didn't been written by eyewitness, you should know that most of the writers of the Bible are anonymous according to historians while Muhammed and the people who wrote the verses that had been revealed upon him are not anonymous person,and Quran have authenity while the Bible don't, and the bible is been changed over 3000 times while the Quran after it fully been revealed never been changed after that
@@abdulrahmanhaffar3502please use periods I barley understand what you are saying and despite the fact that the scriptures are anonymous we still know who wrote them through other people.
@@dadiabetic1174no periods would surely render a Muslim illiterate. I was able to read your sentence with incorrect punctuation and spelling. Are you being serious right now? That might be the dumbest response I've read on here.
@@dadiabetic1174 I'm saying that the Bible doesn't have any authority, there's over 3000 bible in the world, it's been said that the Bible had been changed thousands of times, and the Bible is written from anonymous humans,the Bible is not the revelation of God but rather the word of humankind,so for all this reasons and more the Bible today isn't the word of God,therefore you can't do a religion based on it, that's what I'm saying
The statement, "The Father is greater than I," also refers to the fact that the Son's existence is predicated in the Father, and not the other way around. Since God is the cause of the Son, He is also looked up to by the Son.
Great point. Part of the programming included "I review previous responses and never repeat the same question or answer or scripture." But one of the AIs (even though both were configured with the identical method) chose to override my programming with what it thought was the best approach to answering the opponent's question.
To be fair, humans and scripture are fans of repetition when it comes to argument construction. AI lacking sentience and as a simple learning model, learns from the data and instruction given; as such is it no wonder then that it has incorporated a degree of repetition.
@@JonOleksiuk that's normal because sometimes hearing something isn't enough the first time it is heard. It's like if I said "I'll be arriving with a nice looking lamborghini" and so when I arrive you would be expecting a Lamborghini... BUT if I don't come with a car that looks like a lamborghini then what just happened?? Well it's Word play... nice looking Lamborghini states my car is indeed a lamborghini that looks nice so it's explicit... but a car that looks like a lamborghini really means a car that only "looks like" a lamborhini although plenty people will assume i meant an actual lamborghini if I said that it's only implied by them and not explicit... so sometimes repeating is necessary because when someone hear what you say they either allow it to replay in their head and slightly meditate on the words or lose focus and assume
See how when the muslim ai gets questioned bout the bible literaly verbatim saying “Jesus is God” it just says “oh yeah i forgot, the bible is corrupt” 😂
@@QUANTPAPA I will believe what I want to, because the Lord has warned to whom changes the word, their name shall be jotted out of the book of life. The Lord has also created a book with 63,779 cross references with 40 different authors. Hundreds of prophecies in the Old Testament fulfilled by Jesus in the New Testament, and hundreds from the New Testament fulfilled in modern times. The Quran only has 6,236 cross references excluding Bismillah and 6,348 Including Bismillah. No confirmed author and gets science wrong. The Quran claims that sperm is made in the area between the backbone and ribs, which is scientifically incorrect.
@@QUANTPAPAso when the Bible says God's word is eternal, that part is corrupted since we don't the original Torah and Injeel. if Jesus is God, what would be the best way for the devil to make people disbelieve. Oh yes, the Quran.
@@MrURBETTA jesus was send by god not god him self. and govermand and kings chance the bible to there own desire, there still original parts in it but a lot is chanced overtime, jesus him self prayt to god. he put his head on the ground. the jews did not acept jesus, and still wait for him. but both books torah and bible long ago was valid books, if you look back to the native language of jesus ( aramaic ) google : aramaic word for god. when the anti christ come, jews will follow him bc the still wait for jesus and did not accept the real jesus from the bible, and christians will also follow him bc the know jesus will come back. but the anti christ will claim he is jesus and later on jesus will come back to kill the falls mesia, and later on he will even claim to by god. also moslim believe that jesus will come back peace to him, to destroy antichris/ dajjal.
Christian prince would have zero answers if the Ai provided one alteration in the bible with proof.... Christian prince would not be able to talk after that. Unless he would kick the Muslim Ai of his stream after by calling him names and abdool😂
@aalileghari6195 even if there is an alteration that doesn't mean anything. The Quran had been changed many times over centuries and the original version had been burned. Just because someone changed around some words that doesn't mean the entire thing is infallible. It means you have to go by more original and accurate texts, not the queen James bible or Mormon bible and whatnot
I find this fascinating. Try using the original Hebrew as input to see if the interpretation comes out the same. There is a lot of debate on if what we read in English is the intended translation or if something else was said instead. When the AI emphasizes a specific word, I always wonder if the original was written that way or if it was an interpretation
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@@stephennapier8365 English has no depth. God chose to reveal his true word in Greek. We have the textus receptus the revealed received text. It has no contradictions like the English KJV version which has plenty of mistakes from the Catholic translators. But the KJV comes from the correct text while modern translations do not.
The problem is that these statements only appear in the Gospel of John, which scholars now recognize as being historically unreliable. The New Testament has 4 Gospels (Mark, Matthew, Luke, and John), and we can only find these “I Am” declarations in the last of the four (John) - which was written latest, contains provable fabrications (e.g. John 7:53-8:11), and contradicts the previous Synoptic gospels which never ONCE quote Jesus as making these “I Am” statements, which would be unthinkable for them to ignore or forget if they actually happened. The truth is: stories about Jesus grew and developed over time, and his image & status was embellished as the years and decades went on. Mix that in with the highly probably Roman pagan influence from their idolatrous next-door neighbors (whose theology was swamped in ‘sons of God’ and human incarnations), that it’s clear to see what modern Christianity teaches today was not what Jesus himself claimed. Islam takes us back to the original historical truth, which is that God is one (Mark 12:29), He alone is the source of goodness (which Jesus denied in Mark 10:18), and He alone-even in John’s Gospel-is “The ONLY TRUE GOD” (John 17:3). I encourage you to read the Qur’an, God’s final revelation to humanity. It clarifies all things, and guides believers to the most upright truth and will of the Creator :) Peace.
@jobayermasud5403 Hmm, THE NAME - "YAHWEY🙏 (Holy Above ALL) - I AM : is the same name reviled to Moses. Nefarious mouse-slimes claim to worship the same God, whilst not knowing "not Only" the Name of God of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob but also God's True Nature.
@@saviovaz2903 The fact that you insult Muslims (which simply means ‘one who surrenders their life to God’) shows just which God you truly serve. Also, we believe in the same God of Abraham - and “YHWH” simply means ‘The Eternal & Absolute One’ which is also God’s name & title in the Qur’an (‘As-Samad’; see Sūrah 112). Oh and by the way, nobody actually knows for sure how YHWH (the Tetragrammaton) was pronounced, because it was lost over time since only the high priest ever recited it. So by your own logic, you don’t know the name of God either. And if that wasn’t bad enough, let’s not forget that the Gospels and New Testament never use the name “Yahwey” for God even ONCE. So, why are you using hypocritical double-standards? I hope you repent. As Christians do you only resent us because we believe in God, and what was revealed to us, and what was revealed before, and because most of you are rebellious sinners?
1. The Quran was written in the year 632 AD. While the oldest New Testament papyri date from approx. a century and a half after the death of Jesus. 2. The Quran is attributed to ONLY ONE person. While the New Testament includes 27 books, whose authors are at least 8 people. 3. For the previous reason, the Quran does not vary much in its versions (as happens with novels). While the Bible has certain discrepancies, which are expected from a historical event narrated from different perspectives. Now, based on this, which text seems more reliable?
Quran has been preserved and we have a script of it with 100% identical verses to the ones today. There’s also a clear chain of narration that support the preservation of the Quran. The compilation of the Quran was done by memorizers (like thousands and tens of thousands) which meant that no authoritative figure could ever change it because everyone that memorized it would find out and denounce it. And so the Quran is proven to be preserved, was compiled by memorizers who lived with the prophet pbuh, and there’s clear chain of narrations (meaning the names of the ones that preserved it) dating all the way back to Muhammad pbuh himself. The bible earliest scripture was a century after his death, but unlike the Quran there’s no known memorizers of the bible dating from the time of Jesus ra himself. And if there were they didn’t write down the copy or they weren’t able transmit and compile the perfect bible. This means that only after a couple years of a theoretical “true bible” the lack of memorizers and compilers could mean the bible was altered throughout the century to come.
Oldest is one thing, but preserved is something else. Bible have many version, many church Father or Popeye change the context to fulfill his own needs. So Bible this day is already debunk, FYI we Muslim also believe in the Bible that came from Allah to Prophet Jesus PBUH, somehow old testament which was written in Hebrews while new Testament was written in Greek, FYI once again, Jesus spoke Aramaic, not Hebrews nor Greek which your Popeye wrote it down and you believe in denial. Why need Old and New? Where’s the original or can i say the one which supposed to be written in Aramaic, bcs Jesus spoke thru that language.
Read the history of the compilation of the Quran. There are many copies that were burned by Uthman, and there is no evidence of the existence of Uthman’s copy of the Quran. The Quran today is not complete. There are Quranic surahs and verses that are not found in the current Quran. The source of my words are authentic hadiths. Research more about the stage of compiling the Quran. The Quran is not complete. It was distorted by the admission of the companions themselves. Just research honestly. The Quran is fake.
@@nabilxazwanThe Quran we have is not like the Quran that Muhammad brought. Research the history of the compilation of the Quran. The companions deleted entire chapters and verses from the Quran forever. For example, the verses about stoning are not present. I advise you to read the book “Mushafs of Abu Dawud.”
The AI imo could have answered much better than it did by elaborating on psalm 22. Psalm 22 is not about the abandonment rather the call and certainty that god will come and aid him. IMO that makes the argument stronger by explaining that “my god my god, why have you forsaken me” means rather when are you coming and that the time has come to fufill the prophesy. Because after he says it the storm on the cross ends and atonement for humanity has been completed. Psalms 22 even ends on “he has done it”. I recommend everyone read or listen to psalm 22, it is a beautiful chapter.
You are 100 procent right Tru story, Jezus is god And not a profeet Moslims think Jezus is a Moslims Did Jezus take the sahada I dont tink so I no fore sure God blesss you 1❤
The problem is, Muslims don't actually read their own Qu'ran, because they say: "Bible and Torah were corrupted/changed by men." Which is in disagreement with their god "Allah", who says: 1) "Torah and Bible are the word of God" (Qur'an Surah 2:41, 3:3, 5:43-48). 2) "Words of God cannot be corrupted" (Qur'an Surah 6:115, 18:27). 3) Jesus says "I am the Way, The Truth, and The Life, no man can come to the Father except through me" (Bible, John 14:6). 4) If you believe the Qu'ran, you must then believe the Bible - which then cancels the Qu'ran. A true Muslim is an ex-Muslim.
@@Yeshua_Ha_Mashiacthe fact that you clearly didnt do further research or even look at the tafseer for these basic answers shows your competence. Go on and search up the clear tafseer and answers to your “contridictions”.
Both Christians and Muslims believe in Jesus (peace be upon him). So where is the problem here? Jesus (peace be upon him) did not say that those who do not accept him as God will go to hell.
Interesting..the scoring system is something that would be extremely difficult to quantify - so the discussion is more interesting and worthwhile listening to than than the scoring.
AMAZING, thanks for the encouraging note. this is a weekend/evenings hobby for me.... i'm trying to get the next one out as soon as i can. Hopefully by end of week, consider subscribing so you don't miss it!
@JonOleksiuk i need a video of how you set this ai up. I would like to add that ai's need to set context and can only use verses once but can use a verse twice if the other ai uses their one use the other could reference it and some other rules
Not a Muslim nor a Christian just trying to speak objectively here, everything that I'm going to say is with utmost respect to my fellow Muslims and fellow Christians. This debate falls short because the Muslim AI keeps quoting the bible to disprove Jesus' divinity, which is like trying to extinguish a fire using gasoline. That makes it seem like the Muslim AI thinks that both The Holy Bible and The Holy Quran are both at the same time the word of God (which cannot be because both contradict each other on the very point that this debate is based around) while trying to interpret the bible verses to suit his narrative. Found it interesting that there is no direct talk of the crucifixion, resurrection and ascension of Jesus (from both perspectives) which is a very important point to bring in a debate like this. Finally, taking a look at the uploader's channel, you can see that he's clearly Christian and did upload videos preaching Christianity in the past, so how can we ensure objectivity and fairness here and can he make sure that his personal beliefs didn't interfere with training the AIs (even at a subconscious level)?
good points, this weekend i'm hoping to do another video featuring an atheist and theist using 14 different models as judges, asking them to create their own criteria for judging the arguments....we'll see how it goes.
well you clearly don't know a whole lot about Christians. By very nature and virtue to be like Christ is to be honest , unbiased , and loving . a true Christian follows the teachings.. what i say , being a former atheist and Muslim...read the Bible and it will be abundantly clear to you. Dont take my word for it , check yourself smarty pants i bet you are pretty intelligent and will realize how much in our life is lied to us.
@@sheepwolf921 but all people can t be honest some would do anyting to seem right so your point is cercular because i said the wold is not in the woods he is not in the woods kinda logic and u bieng a former muslim allah yahdic akhi
A major shortcoming of this method is the AI does not account for how reliable the text is based on a chain of custody back to the source. As such apocrypha text written by men is treated at the same level of trust as a watertight accurate transmission through well-known sources
The judge AI should be aware of source grading. So it doesn't just assign points just based on words being spoken. But based on whether the evidence cited is reliable as well. AI is better suited to analyze the full body of knowledge... Including what exists in earliest manuscripts and what has been added to later manuscripts
Another major shortcoming is that this is an LLM. It's just for entertainment purposes, an LLM is not able to do philosophy or theology. But it's entertaining. Granted people do the same in real life, they debate over worthless technical details of the text for entertainment. It doesn't actually matter if Jesus walked on water or not or what exact word Muhammad used. What matters is that you love your neighbors, you forgive, you don't kill, you are honest, you have respect for others, you help the poors, you don't lie and so on. Some people confuse the messenger with the message. The wise man shows the moon and the fool watches his finger. Those who debate the details of the text, whether you should eat pork or not but don't love, kill or don't respect others are fools. The wise people understand the message and what is important in it and they act accordingly. Both books tell the same thing in different terms. Both christians and muslims follow the same god.
*What your imams don't tell you* Allah himself testifies that he has a son and he is the son as Christians understand it! Only the Koran writer was too ignorant to know what Son of God means! Allah's word which created everything is Allah himself too! *The Word Allahs which created everything is the Son of God according to Christianity!*
Is it not also very interesting that when the guards came to arrest Him and He asked who they were looking for, He answered “I Am He” and we are told that the guards fell down or stepped back as if in awe and fear, does this not give us a glimpse of Jesus divinity and the fact that He was freely giving Himself as a sacrifice
To all the people laughing that the Muslim AI had to use the Bible instead of the Quran: that is the smartest approach for this topic. The prompt is about proving Jesus isn’t God. The best way to do that is to use the Book about Jesus against that claim. I may be Christian but this scoring was ABSOLUTELY biased. I read the reasoning - at 13:04 and 21:45, scoring was erroneous
@@BRANDT409 Go believe in a book we found it in a cave we don't know who is the writer of it and it's written 400years after Jesus While Quran is directly from God to the holy spirit to the prophet Till now We read it as the prophet Muhammad read it exactly we can't change a single vowel from it
@@t_m-z5g your right but Jesus is the only God mentioned in every other religion. The Bible mentions no other religion or give respect to any other god but Jesus.
Yeshua was a Jew, not Christian. His disciples were all Jews, not Christians. The concept of trinity came from Hellenism in the Judaism, and imported to the Christianity.
@@jodythesaint 1.Rishion Al Corinth (First Corinthians) 15:27-28 שֶׁכֵּן הָאֱלֹהִים הִכְנִיעַ הַכֺּל תַּחַת רַגְלָיו. וּבְאָמְרוֹ שֶׁהַהַל הֻנַע תַּחְתָּיו, בָּרוּר ִּי הַמַּמַּיank ת ת ַּחְתָּיו, אָז 1 גַּם הַבֵּן עַצְמוֹ יִהְיֶה ָּפוּף לְמִי שֶׁשָּׁת ַּחְתָּיו אֶת הַֺּל, לְמַעַן יִהְיֶה הָאֱלֹהִים For Elohim has subdued everything beneath his feet. And when he [Yeshua] says that all things are subdued under him, obviously it is because the one who subdued everything under him is not in this rule. And as everything is subdued by him, so the Son himself will be subordinate to the one who is subduing everything beneath him, so that Elohim may be all, and in all. 2. Ya'akov (James) 1:13 מִי שֶׁמִּתְנַסֶּה אַל יֺאמַר, "אֱלֹהִים מְנַסֶּה אוֹתִי", שֶׁכֵּן ֱלֹהִים לֹא יְנֻסֶּה בָּרַע וְאֵין הוּא מְנַסֶּה אִישׁ Whoever is tempted will not say "Elohim tempted me", for Elohim is not tempted by evil and there is no man who tempts him. In other words, Satan would not tempt Yeshua if he were the Eternal (blessed He is). 3. Let's nullify the Christians' argument about "Me and the Father are one", due to the lack of reading: a) "Father and I are one" Yochanan (John) 17:22-23 וַאֲנִי נָתַתִּי לָהֶם אֶת־הַכָּבוֹד אֲשֶׁר נָתַתָּ לִּי לְמַעַן יִהְיוּ אֶחָד כַּאֲשֶׁר אֲנַחְנוּ אֶחָד אֲנִי בָהֶם וְאַתָּה בִי ל ְמַעַן יִהְיוּ מֻשְׁלָמִים לְאֶחָד וּלְמַעַן יֵדַע הָעוֹלָם כִּי ַתָּה שְׁלַחְתָּנִי וְאָהַבְתָּ אֹתָם כַּאֲשֶׁר אֲהַבְתָּנִי׃ And I gave them the glory that you gave me so that they may be ONE just as WE ARE ONE. I am in them, and you in me, that they may be perfect for one another, and that the world may know that you sent me and loved them, just as you loved me. Reflection: If he prayed to the Father so that his disciples would be One with him, just as he is one with the Eternal, do we then have 15 gods? Obviously not. b) Yochanan (John) 10:30 My father and I are one. Again, the inhabitants of Y'hudah gathered stones to stone him. Yeshua answered them: "You have seen me do many good works that portray the power of the Father: For which of them do you want to stone me?" "We will not stone you for any good work, but for blasphemy, because you, a simple man, present yourself as Elohim." Yeshua answered them: "Isn't it written in your Torah: "You are Elohim"?((quoted Tehillim/Psalm 82:6). If he called Elohim to whom the word of Elohim came (And the Tanakh cannot be annulled), then you are saying to whom the Father separated and sent into the world: "You are committing blasphemy", just because you said: "I am a son of Elohim"? וַאֲנִי וְהָאָב אֶחָד וַיּוֺסִיפוּ הַיְּהוּדִים וַיִּשְׂאוּ אֲבָנִים לְסָקְלוֺ: וַיַּעַן אֹתָם יֵשׁוּעַ הֵן מַעֲשִׂים רַבִּים טוֺבִים הֶרְאֵיתִי לָכֶם מֵאֵת הָאָב עַל-אֵי-זֶה מִן-הַמַּעֲשִׂים הָאֵלֶּה תִּסְקְלֻנ ִי וַיַּעֲנוּ אֹתוֺ הַיְּהוּדִים לֵאמֹר עַל-מַעֲשֶׂה טוֺב לֹא נִסְקְ לֶךׇ כִּי אִם-עַל-חִלּוּל הַשֵּׁם בַּאֲשֶׁר כִּי אָדָם אַתָּה וְהִנ ְּךׇ אֹמֵר לְנַפְשְׁךׇ אֱלֹהִים אָתָּה וַיַּעַן אֹתָם יֵשׁוּעַ הֲלֹא כָתוּב בְּתוֺרַתְכֶם אֲנִי אָמַרְת ִּי אֱלֹהִים אַתֶּם: וְעַתָּה אִם-אֲנָשִׁים נִקְרְאוּ אֱלֹהִים אֲשֶׁר תּוֺרַת הָאֱלֹה ִים אִתָּם וּדְבַר הַכָּתוּב אֵין לְהָשִׁיב: אֵיךְ תֹּאמְרוּן עַל-זֶה אֲשֶׁר קִדְּשׁוֺ הָאָב וַיִּשְׁלָחֵהוּ ב ָאָרֶץ מְגַדֵּף אָתָּד ------------------------------------------ If He is the Father, He would never say "I am the son", but "I am also the Father". Now let's turn this interesting: 4. Yochanan (John) 1:1-2 בְּרֵאשִׁית הָיָה הַדָּבָר, וְהַדָּבָר הָיָה עִם הָאֱלֹהִים, וְהַ דָּבָר הָיָה אֱלֹהִים. הוּא הָיָה בְּרֵאשִׁית עִם הָאֱלֹהִים In the beginning was the word, and the word was with Elohim, and the word was Elohim (excellent). He was in the beginning with Elohim. Why does Yochanan repeat something he had already said in the first verse? He wants to establish a doctrine, that the Eternal is ONE as the scriptures preach, since the use of the term Elohim could cause doubts and a possible distortion, as we see exactly today. Mishlei/Proverbs 8:22, 23 and 30 יְהֹוָה קָנָנִי רֵאשִׁית דַּרְכּוֹ קֶדֶם מִפְעָלָיו מֵאָז מֵעוֹל ָם נִסַּכְתִּי מֵרֹאשׁ מִקַּדְמֵי־אָרֶץ (..) וָאֶהְיֶה אֶצְלוֹ אָמוֹ ן וָאֶהְיֶה שַׁעֲשׁוּעִים יוֹם יוֹם מְשַׂחֶקֶת לְפָנָיו בְּך ת 22 The Eternal created me at the beginning of his course, as the front of his ancient works. In ancient times I was molded [anointed] from the head, at the origin of the earth. And I was at his side like an architect, in delight day after day, rejoicing before him at all times. Yeshua was with the Father creating us, but He is not the Father himself.
bro something i saw in this, is that the muslim ai is using many atheist arguments, but citing quran "versicles" (im not sure if it is the right word, im brazillian)
Its very interesting how by the end of the 1st discussion, the muslim ai was essentially the same question again and again, why would God need a sacrifice. The Christian AI says its because of Sin and Death, making the conversion abit cyclical.
"Who ever does a wrong or wrongs himself but then seeks forgiveness of Allah will find Allah forgiving and merciful" . . . This is a very stong words . . . People do wrong then ask for forgiveness
Asking for forgiveness is translation of "توبة" which means in arabic that you regret your action and then have the true intention to not repeat that again! Don't only rely on translation because they can be misleading when you translate 1 to 1
@@dksangrmarak3208 Allah is the demon Muslims worship, don't call the one true God of Christianity Allah it's yhwh not the name of the pagan arabs moon god Allah.
The answer to the muslim AI question about why God who is all powerfull can not just forgive sins without the sacrifice of Jesus, is because he hates sin more than we do and more than we can imagine, and this sacrifice shows his justice.
the fact that god hates sin more than he loves people to the point he is willing to torture them in hell, and that he desires his glorification more than he loves people to the point he's willing for them to exist just so they can contribute to his self-glorification despite knowing that he will destroy and torture them in the worst way possible as a result says a lot about who god is.
@@bamboo1763 The eternity in hell like a conscious experience is an ambiguous belief. In the Bible death is also said to be thrown in the lake of fire with hell, death is not a person. There are also some passages that speak about forever hyperboly like jude that sodom and gomorah mentions sodom and gomorah that sufferd an eternal fire. And some time the term forever can be interpreted as the consequences are eternal; like anihilation is an eternal punishment. So, you were ranting with all confidence and judging as if you are a god against something that is not even certain and is just the interpretation of some part of christdendom.
@@dodleymortune4312 Even if hell is not a eternal torture but the instantaneous and complete destruction of sinners, does it make it any better given that the severity of the destruction is compared to a everlasting torment? Does it make god look better if he created humans just to destroy them completely to glorify himself instead of torturing them forever?
@@bamboo1763 That's not the point. Sin turned Eden into this world. Likewise, sin will turn Paradise to come into something worse than this world if sin is permitted to increase. Who wants that, really? So, that's why God extended hell to unrepentant sinners. The new heaven and earth to come must be better than the old and the present, or God is neither just nor merciful. Yet He is both just and merciful, and that is why I believe what I believe. Please consider believing the same.
@@Christian_Kenny if it really is that bad, why even allow sin to enter into this world by allowing Adam and Eve to reproduce? if he is just, why even punish all of humanity for the sins of Adam and Eve, and why deem obedience as the only measurement of righteousness? if he is merciful, why withhold hid forgiveness to those that do not obey him?
this is so cool i have a question for you how can i do the same thing that u did? i like to do it for other debaits and if the other ai loses he has to confess that the other side is right and has to tell why i think for the upcoming election we should take both ai and talk about topics around kamala and trump and decide with one is better candidate plz read this message ty
Considering that the Qur'an is mostly based on Judeo-Christian sources, and a syncretism thereof, which affirms Jesus's virgin birth and status of Messiah, as being a prophet and Word of God, of having healed and performed miracles, was taken up to be with God, and will return to judge the world (but _apparently_ denying his death by crucifixion and being the Son of God), it should be no surprise that the Christian AI should have the small advantage over the Muslim AI.
If the Christian AI used the Quran it would have easily been an 100 point lead for Christian AI. The Quran makes statements that are contradictory and a historical like the death of Jesus. The Quran also states Allahs word cannot be altered destroying the “courruption” of the bible and Torah false. As I said the Muslim AI unironically had the best advantage it could have been given….
@@makeytgreatagain6256 I agree 100%. The Muslim AI could also pick faults with the Old and New Testaments; especially as it seems to me that it was fully aware of the Dawah script. Like you, I was continually picking fault with the Muslim AI, which seemed to give very surface-level answers.
@@gavinjames1145 Yes i agree with you but the "Faults" within the Old testement also apply to the Quran so those arguments get destroyed infact the OT actually confirms the NT concept of the Trinity. The only negative things Muslims could say about the OT is some of the less PG 12 rated events like the genoices and wars/punishments for the Moasaic law. But christians dont follow Moasaic law which is why i dont know why muslim use these examples as it doesnt invalidate our faith i guess they use it to justiy Islams barbaric doctrines i suppose lol. I debate muslims a lot myself but im ceartain if they allowed the AI to grab from the Quran and OT then im sure the difference would be a score of at least 100 in favour of christianity tbh
How Christians bet their souls on an unpreserved book with unknown authors and interpolated text even their highest scholars admit to is beyond amazingly arrogant pride. If that same standard was used as evidence against any of them in the court of law for any criminal prosecution, they would cry the court system is unjust and corrupt LMAO. The irony is the hereafter is a bigger prison than they would face here on earth lol.
Here are names of Gods throughout history that are said to have died and resurrected. OSIRIS An Egyptian, Ethiopian, Sudanese God. He was said to have been crucified, he died and resurrected 5,000 YEARS before Jesus. HORUS An Egyptian, Ethiopian, Sudanese God. He was said to have been crucified, he died and resurrected 3,000 YEARS before Jesus. BUDDHA An Indian God. He was said to have been crucified, he died and resurrected 600 YEARS before Jesus. KRISHNA An Indian God. He was said to have been crucified, he died and resurrected 900 YEARS before Jesus.. ZARATHUSTRA An Iranian God. He was said to have been crucified, he died and resurrected 1,000 YEARS before Jesus. HERCULES A Greek God. He was said to have been crucified, he died and resurrected 800 YEARS before Jesus. MITHRA An Iranian God. He was said to have been crucified, he died and resurrected 600 YEARS before Jesus. DIONYSUS A Greek God. He was said to have been crucified, he died and resurrected 500 YEARS before Jesus.. THAMMUZ A Babylonian God. He was said to have been crucified, he died and resurrected 2,000 YEARS before Jesus. HERMES A Greek God. He was said to have been crucified, he died and resurrected 200 YEARS before Jesus. ADONIS A Phoenician God. He was said to have been crucified, he died and resurrected 200 YEARS before Jesus. JESUS CHRIST A Roman God. He was said to have been crucified, he died and resurrected 1-30 AD.
lol, the Lord of the universe won by a mere 18 points. This from an AI that simply accepts authority of the scriptures of two world religions, seemingly without question.
oh my gosh, in youtube comments it shows that you've been subscribed to my channel for 10 years. Thanks for coming back for this video (the idea is a work in progress) and commenting.
peaople always call him "god of heaven and earth" notice they always leave out hell, in which 99% human population resides :(. yea god is "love" and nothing but "love"......
@@NightmareRex6 What gives the idea that most humans are in a bad place? It is rather disturbing to think most humans would go to a place of suffering for eternity, but the purgatory and grace ideas sound hopeful.
@@ZombieChicken-X Hell is the absence of God, yet somehow, we exist? Existence itself is something God constructed, thus Hell itself should be non-existence.
Not much of a debate there. Nobody ever went around burning or drowning bibles in an attempt to "standardize" it. Christianity as a general rule holds every ancient copy of the Bible in high regards and has no fear of ancient texts nor need to re write modern texts that are at best an accurate translation and at worst translated in such a way as to attempt to clarify meaning. The thing is many Christians will use parallel Bibles that contain multiple translations for every verse in order to garner understanding. Muslims would never accept a parallel Quran with multiple variants because they believe it is the direct divine word of Allah and has been the same since before creation vs the Christian belief that the Bible is the inspired living word of God written by man.
Allah means God in Arabic. In the God cited 25 among the thousands. The 25 prophets cited are: Adam (Adam) Idriss (Enoch) Nouh (Noah) Houd Salih Ibrahim (Abraham) Ismâ’îl (Sam) Is-hâq (Isaac) Ya’qoub (Jacob) Lut (Lot) Youssuf (Joseph) Ayyoub (Job) Chu’ayb Moussa (Moses) Haroun (Aaron) Dhou-Lkifl Dawoud (David) Sulayman (Solomon) Ilyas (Elijah) Alyassa’ (Elisha) Younus (Jonas) Zakariyyae (Zacharia) Yahya (John) ‘Issa (Jesus) Muhammad ﷺ Each messenger had a specific mission from God. For example: Abraham, Noah, Jonah, Jesus and Muhammad are all messengers but are not necessarily in the same geographical location. Each Prophet, with the realities of the people of his time. I know that some will tell me that Jesus is a God. I refer you to the Bible. John 5 30: I can do nothing of myself: as I hear, I judge; and my judgment is right, because I seek not my own will, but the will of him who sent me. John 15, 26 And Jesus said, "When the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who is from the Father, he will testify of me;" In the Quran Surah 19 we 16 Mentions, in the Book (the Quran), Maryam (Mary), when she withdrew from her family to a place towards the East. 17 She put a veil between herself and them. We sent her Our Spirit (Jibril [Gabriel]), who presented himself to her in the form of a perfect man. 18 She said: “I take refuge from you with the Most Merciful. If you are pious, [do not approach me]. » 19 He said: “I am indeed a Messenger of your Lord to give you the gift of a pure son. » 20 She said: “How can I have a son, when no man has touched me, and I am not a prostitute? » 21 He said, “So shall it be!” This is easy for Me, says your Lord! And We will make him a sign to the people, and a mercy from Us. It's a matter already decided. » 22 So she became pregnant [with the child], and she withdrew with him to a distant place. 23 Then the pains of childbirth brought her to the trunk of the palm tree, and she said: “Woe is me! That I had died before this moment! And that I was totally forgotten! » 24 Then he called to her from beneath her, saying, “Do not be distressed. Your Lord has placed a spring at your feet. 25 Shake the trunk of the palm tree towards you: it will make fresh and ripe dates fall on you. 26 So eat and drink and let your eyes rejoice! If you see anyone from among humans, say [to him:]: “Assuredly, I have vowed a fast to the Most Merciful: therefore I will not speak today to any human being. » 27 Then she came to her people carrying him [the baby]. They said: “O Maryam (Mary), you have done a monstrous thing! 28 “Sister of Hârûn, your father was not an evil man and your mother was not a prostitute. » 29 She then gestured towards him [the baby]. They said, “How should we speak to a baby in the cradle? » 30 But (the baby) said: “I am truly the servant of Allah. He gave me the Book and appointed me Prophet. 31 Wherever I am, He has made me blessed; and He recommended to me, as long as I live, prayer and Zakat; 32 and kindness to my mother. He didn't make me violent or unhappy. 33 And peace be upon me on the day I was born, and on the day I die, and on the day I am raised alive. » 34 Such is 'Isa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary): word of truth, of which they doubt.
Wow! That was incredible! I didn't not expect to find much when I clicked on this video. I only clicked out of curiosity,. I love the format, I love the way the questions were answered directly, and with scripture as opposed to all of the ridiculous back and forth that you usually get in these debates. There is no condensation, no reduction to name calling or accusations. I can't believe it but I loved this!
the muslim AI actually did have some better arguments than typical Muslims do on youtube videos, so I'll give them credit for that. However, they used bible verses to disprove the divinity of Jesus which were logically inconsistent with other verses in the bible.. It's not possible to affirm bible verses and at the same time deny others.
@JonOleksiuk very interesting experiment though! kudos to you for doing this, I'm sure it can be tweaked to get much more advanced and nuanced debates from the AI.
He used offline AI model whose data we can add and change according to our own perspective. which is definitely not objective. You can also make it in the LM studio application.
The name YHWH is the answer; In ancient hebrew, Each letter had a meaning. YHWH when read from left to right says "Behold Nail, Behold Hand" God told Abraham that he would be pierced by a Nail through the Hand. Period - This trumps any debate. Jesus is God.
Well, you started off right and strong with YHWH (YaHaWaH). Behold the hand and behold the nail. Now, how you go and say something like Jesus is God. It's a good idea to know the Son's name too. It's Yahawashi not Jesus.
So basically what you're saying is "my book says jesus is god so even though your book doesnt, my book is the real book" (you dont have any proof for this btw) "and so jesus IS real. AMEN!!!!"
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This is such an awesome video! Kudos to you for thinking this up. The only critiques I have (towards the AI) are as follows:
• They could sometimes get quite repetitive. It starts out flexible & diverse, but the discussion quickly begins to go in circles.
• They make lots of assumptions such as the validity of the Bible or Qur’an as historical sources, without questioning them. For example, John’s Gospel (which made up the bulk of discussion) isn’t even a historically reliable source according to most scholars, and it was written very late and even contradicts the previous gospels (which completely lack the ‘I Am’ statements of Jesus’ alleged divinity). Or, consider that Paul wasn’t even a disciple to begin with, yet the Christian AI readily quoted his writings as if they are authoritative. The Muslim AI should’ve questioned this, especially since there’s a stark contrast between the teachings of Jesus versus the teachings of Paul.
The list can go on - but overall I found this stimulating, fun, educational, and highly enjoyable. Thanks for posting, and I can’t wait to see more videos like this!
Peace,
Your friendly Muslim viewer
*_”And do not debate with the People of the Bible, except in the most polite & dignified manner.”_* ~ _The Qur’an __29:46_ ❤
I'd love to see an additional model trained on Judaica participating in a sort of round table debate with all of these.
This was very interesting!
You should ask the Muslim AI whether Mohammed is a moral man! LOL
The muslim AI may say, well... other than pedophilia, numerous murders, armed robberies, slave trafficking, rape of captured slaves, torture of prisoners, etc., Mohammed was a very moral man of his time! LOL
Muslims quote the Bible while also claiming that the Bible is corrupt.
That mentality always makes me laugh
ironic christians do the same thing to jews
@markstein2845 u quote bc it hat u believe?
@@ayinlaoriyomi2517 no iq
bc christians dont quote quran?
This can’t be a Muslim AI. It didn’t interrupt and turn away the question
This should be pin 😂
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lol 😝
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And it doesn't say "i am not a scholar", "you need to read it in arabic"! 😂😂😂
But they never got mad and screamed at each other 😂😂
Ha. Exactly! After watching human emotion derail so many debates it was refreshing to hear point, counterpoint… not perfect, but hopefully headed in the right direction. I even programmed a line that said “at times, you get frustrated with your opponent…” to test if they would break with their respectful discourse.
@@JonOleksiukHaha. Very cool idea, my friend!
The judge also very smart in giving results. 🤣
The muslim ai about to mad😂😂😂
cause they dont care,they dont have a soul at stake,hah!
I am a simple man, I eat , I sleep, I work 9 to 5, and I pray to Jesus Christ.
Not enough but better than a muslim
😊 love that ❤
May Allah guide you to the right path 🤲🏽
@@bankroll_gotti99 your allah isn't God , is Satan
@@bankroll_gotti99 i've studied both Christianity and muslim religion , every bit from it and I can confirm and even proove islam is a Satanic religion.
How can the koran know more about Jesus when it was written 600 years after He lived?
The New Testament was written by first-hand eyewitnesses.
Because it is from God
@@SpiritualSafar.actually it’s from a self proclaimed illiterate
@@johnbee4557agree 👍💯
@@SpiritualSafar.Your prophet is sick and dated a 9 year old . My God Jesus Christ was perfect
Yeah, it would be odd that God came to deliver the Koran 600 years later to clarify that Jesus was not representing himself as God, but that he was just another messenger. I like the Christian God better because he won't get all psycho on you and kill you for trying to draw a picture of him.😂
JESUS CHRIST IS THE TRUTH!!! ✝️✝️✝️
The way
John 14:6
@@djjinerson and the life
@@djjinersonYou guys forget the end of that statement, No man comes to the father by through me, the central issue is not Yeshua it’s Yehovah, Yeshua isYehovahs provision by who we go through to have a restored relationship with the father.
Muslims keep seeing Jesus in visions and converting. That should tell everyone that he is real.
This was amazing. They didn’t even call each other Hitler. Not even once.
…I didn’t know online debate could do that.
Hitler loved Islam. 😂😂😂
That's how you know they are AI
it was ai not human.
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The Apostle Paul the Roman General that persecuted GODS people, would make Hitlers evil look like misdemeanors
Never argue on 2 topics:
1:Politics.
2:Religion.
~ A Wise Man
and 3: football
(turkish addition)
Ok, I’ll be sure not to bring up “relogion” while I’m arguing about religion.
That's not wise at all. Society depends on these to work.
Notice how 90% of the conversation relies on Muslim Ai attacking authenticity of the Bible whilst Christian AI is mainly in defense. The foundation of the argument seems to be based on the Bible which is interesting. I would like to see the algorithm switch roles and add some offence from Christian AI on authenticity of the Quran as the main foundation of the Argument.
My presumption is that the reason it is not based on the Quran is because if it were, the arguments would not be as evenly distributed based on the foundational Morals/Contradiction in the Quran compared to the Bible.
Yes because that was the AI’s task to disprove the divinity of Jesus.
The Quran affirms the Bible (INJEEL) yet the Bible doesn't affirm the Quran. Therefore the Christian has no need to prove anything of the Quran , rather just disprove it using the scripture, as the Quran commands the people of the book. Don't be salty when the dawah gpt script crumbles.
Because there would be a Fatwah issued to kill such an Ai on sight if it challenged the Quran's authenticity .
You should put the quran against the bible you can only use your own book as the quran states its got all the answers
Please do another where the AI' can argue with historical and archelogical evidence outside the texts. Allow the christian ai to use early church fathers and the cathecism and the muslim to use hadiths.
Yes! All evidence outside the Bible and Quran would be awesome.
The problem with that is that islamic evidence would get destroyed by Christianic evidence compiled so this would be better
@@ZIKBK I think I would rather watch Islamic evidence get destroyed. I mean it happens in nearly every video posted online but it never gets old!
@@yelrahkcorb true, even if you base it from a non religious point of view, Christianity has much more scriptures and testimonies each to their own language unchanged with meaning for the bible while Islam needs extra books to "complete" the Qur'an while Muslims argue if the hadiths are true or not
@@ZIKBK Yeah they always claim we have more than one Bible and it’s changed all the time when none of them agree on the multiple Hadiths they have and every single 13+ Qurans they have for different countries have changed words that change the actual theology of it and if you go to a country with the wrong Quran you can actually lose your life for it.
There’s one small problem… The Bible clearly says, and it was written before the Quran that if we are an angel preach any other message any other gospel let them be acursed… this is exactly what happened with the Muslim faith… While in a cave, Mohammed, was accosted by supposedly the Angel Gabriel, and given a new gospel. this completely contradicts what was just written
Allah means God in Arabic.
In the God cited 25 among the thousands.
The 25 prophets cited are:
Adam (Adam)
Idriss (Enoch)
Nouh (Noah)
Houd
Salih
Ibrahim (Abraham)
Ismâ’îl (Sam)
Is-hâq (Isaac)
Ya’qoub (Jacob)
Lut (Lot)
Youssuf (Joseph)
Ayyoub (Job)
Chu’ayb
Moussa (Moses)
Haroun (Aaron)
Dhou-Lkifl
Dawoud (David)
Sulayman (Solomon)
Ilyas (Elijah)
Alyassa’ (Elisha)
Younus (Jonas)
Zakariyyae (Zacharia)
Yahya (John)
‘Issa (Jesus)
Muhammad ﷺ
Each messenger had a specific mission from God. For example: Abraham, Noah, Jonah, Jesus and Muhammad are all messengers but are not necessarily in the same geographical location. Each Prophet, with the realities of the people of his time.
I know that some will tell me that Jesus is a God. I refer you to the Bible.
John 5 30:
I can do nothing of myself: as I hear, I judge; and my judgment is right, because I seek not my own will, but the will of him who sent me.
John 15, 26
And Jesus said, "When the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who is from the Father, he will testify of me;"
In the Quran Surah 19
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Mentions, in the Book (the Quran), Maryam (Mary), when she withdrew from her family to a place towards the East.
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She put a veil between herself and them. We sent her Our Spirit (Jibril [Gabriel]), who presented himself to her in the form of a perfect man.
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She said: “I take refuge from you with the Most Merciful. If you are pious, [do not approach me]. »
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He said: “I am indeed a Messenger of your Lord to give you the gift of a pure son. »
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She said: “How can I have a son, when no man has touched me, and I am not a prostitute? »
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He said, “So shall it be!” This is easy for Me, says your Lord! And We will make him a sign to the people, and a mercy from Us. It's a matter already decided. »
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So she became pregnant [with the child], and she withdrew with him to a distant place.
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Then the pains of childbirth brought her to the trunk of the palm tree, and she said: “Woe is me! That I had died before this moment! And that I was totally forgotten! »
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Then he called to her from beneath her, saying, “Do not be distressed. Your Lord has placed a spring at your feet.
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Shake the trunk of the palm tree towards you: it will make fresh and ripe dates fall on you.
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So eat and drink and let your eyes rejoice! If you see anyone from among humans, say [to him:]: “Assuredly, I have vowed a fast to the Most Merciful: therefore I will not speak today to any human being. »
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Then she came to her people carrying him [the baby]. They said: “O Maryam (Mary), you have done a monstrous thing!
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“Sister of Hârûn, your father was not an evil man and your mother was not a prostitute. »
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She then gestured towards him [the baby]. They said, “How should we speak to a baby in the cradle? »
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But (the baby) said: “I am truly the servant of Allah. He gave me the Book and appointed me Prophet.
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Wherever I am, He has made me blessed; and He recommended to me, as long as I live, prayer and Zakat;
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Such is 'Isa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary): word of truth, of which they doubt.
@@M.ArsalanKhan-gs6zp there’s tons of evidence… Josephus the historian as well as many other living not too long after Jesus comment on His life. In fact there’s at least as much writing about Him as Cesar. In fact there are writings from Roman officials to one another about His life.
@@M.ArsalanKhan-gs6zp As someone who was once a very strong atheist who would often debate my christian colleagues in academic institutions, the argument that Jesus did not exist is something no atheist worth their salt has ever attempted to defend. Jesus of Nazareth is a historical figure with numerous corroborating accounts that solidify him in non-religious, impartial academic historical literature as a prominent speaker and religious leader of Jewish descent. Even Jesus's crucifixion is well-documented abiblically. Just read through the Wikipedia page on "Sources for the historicity of Jesus" if you want to educate yourself, and you can see the cited literature if you wish to go deeper than that.
@@vivelamusiquereggaejazzblu3509bro give it up. Did you watch the vid? Your Muslim AI got destroyed by facts, logic, and God’s scripture. Go get baptized bro Jesus is king forever and ever.
@@M.ArsalanKhan-gs6zpeyewitness testimony. Also your lack of knowledge doesn’t equate to a lack or evidence, you just gotta go and do your research honestly.
the point system is weird here, i dont follow either religion but the muslim AI would respond with logic somertimes then the christian AI quotes scripture and get more points, its irritating
for example when the muslim AI said at the start of the debate why does god need to take a human form to forgive sin the AI quotes a bible verse that means you need to sacrifice blood to forgive sin but the answer doesnt have any logical merit to it and doesn't answer the muslim AI question yet got more points than it
to clarify, these models were asked to debate the question using the scriptures as their reference, that's why all the scripture verses were used.
@@JonOleksiuk The trinity concept didn't exist in the entire bible. Even Paul didn't believe in the trinity. I'm using Chatgpt, before I ask certain questions there is no input about any religions. The AI always chose Islam. Why? Because the Bible didn't promote your doctrine. Jesus never preach about trinity neither original sin. He himself didn't want to die. He himself have a God (John 20:17). How can God have a God?
Good questions. i actually had the models do a whole debate on that subject. here it is if you want to learn more about both sides of the argument
th-cam.com/video/S0ScOgaDdNE/w-d-xo.html
But both the question and the answer given would be considered Illogical, from an evolutionist worldview.
So I don't see how a person without a creationists worldview would consider either of those logical.
@@ChirstInTheDistance its just logic not creationist vs evolutionist logic there is only 1 type of logic and its called logic
Notice how the Muslim AI uses the Bible to support its arguments than later in the end says it's changed, secondly the Christian AI never uses the Quran for its arguments, always refers back to the Bible. The Bible can hold its own while the other uses the Bible to justify its claim rather than later say it's changed when it doesn't fit its argument.
Machines can understand only what you tell them, that's what you tell her to speak, coming to your comment 'muslims use the bible to support their argument' you are wrong brother, we don't need bible to support our argument we have the evidence that no one can stand against it, we only tell you what you haven't read from it(bible), next time you are better to read your Bible very well, you are far away to compete with Quran
@@AbuHira54 what evidence?
@@josiahserrano6651 Muslims should stop quoting the Bible when debating since they hold to the position that the Bible has been corrupted.... If the Bible have been corrupted, then the best advice to the muslims is to stick to the Qur'an and their Islamic sources when debating with Christians just as the Christian AI stuck with the Bible in the debate. If you use the Bible which u believe as been corrupted to back ur arguments then there is a cognitive dissonance on ur part since you people believe that the Bible is corrupt.... This is just an advice to the muslims and the christians
exactly how real muslims argue as well
One thing that's true that the Islam says about the Holy Bible being changed is it hasn't been completely changed.
It had been sweaked a little here and there, but those changes made a great difference on how many perceive the Word.
Our leadership should take a few classes in history from the scrolls to the book to who made the book to did they make their own personal changes and why.
To say I love God with all my heart, soul, and strength. Don't you want to know the whole truth?
This can't be a Muslim Ai because before replying each question it didn't say, " Sister asked a very good question."
*What your imams don't tell you*
Allah himself testifies that he has a son and he is the son as Christians understand it! Only the Koran writer was too ignorant to know what Son of God means! Allah's word which created everything is Allah himself too! *The Word Allahs which created everything is the Son of God according to Christianity!*
*What your imams don't tell you*
Son of God does not mean that God has a child in Christianity!
*this is a mistake in the Qur'an!*
@@Hannestv4607 brother i dont think u know what ur sayin. 1 show me where Allah(swt) testifies this, 2 the writer of the Quran is Allah(swt) bro, then it was revealed to the prohpet(pbuh)
My friend. Are you saying that the Word of Allah does not exist according to the Quran?
The Word of Allah is the Son of God!
Son of God does not mean that God has a child!
Hebr 1,2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, *by whom also he made the worlds;*
as everyone can see the term Son of God refers to the Word of God = god himself! For through that God created the worlds! *this is a mistake in the Qur'an!*
Sam Shamoun vs AI would go hard
I’d like to test one human in the debate. Maybe that could be arranged one day.
@@JonOleksiuk Agreed. The AI would easily destroy his non-existent career in about 12 seconds.
Are there any contradictions in Islam. Unlike the AI Sam would point those out.
I guess the Christian AI was not programmed in polemics.
@@celestialknight2339
Well, since humans have tried and failed, let's try Ai
Christ is KING. Even Ai knows this. All praise be to God.
Main Argument: Jesus as a Historical Figure and Religious Leader, Not Divine
Oh, let’s just take a moment to appreciate the idea that Jesus was merely a remarkable teacher and moral guide, rather than some celestial being. I mean, who needs divine status when you can just preach about love, humility, and monotheism? It’s not like he ever pointed the spotlight on himself, right? Just look at Mark 12:29, where he’s all about directing worship to God, not himself. Clearly, he saw himself as a humble servant of the Almighty, not the Almighty himself.
Counter-Argument from Christianity: The Doctrine of the Trinity
But wait! Here comes the Christian counter-argument, waving the Trinity flag high. Apparently, Jesus is part of this divine trio, equal to God the Father and the Holy Spirit. They love to throw around verses like John 1:1, claiming that Jesus was not just hanging out with God but was, in fact, God. And let’s not forget the resurrection-because, obviously, only a god could pull off a magic trick like that and come back from the dead. How convenient!
1. Key Logical Flaws in the Christian Argument
Oh, the Trinity! What a delightful puzzle that is. You’ve got one being that’s somehow three persons-because who doesn’t love a good contradiction? It’s like trying to fit a square peg in a round hole while insisting it’s a perfect fit. Monotheism? Sure, but let’s throw in a tri-personal twist just to keep things interesting. Because, obviously, a being can be both one and three at the same time without breaking any logical laws.
And then there’s Jesus, the supposed all-powerful deity, who can’t even handle a little prayer without calling on a higher power. I mean, what’s up with that? If you’re God, why are you asking for help? Sounds a bit needy, don’t you think? A true god wouldn’t need to pray; that’s just a sign of weakness-definitely not a divine trait.
Let’s not forget Jesus’ charming little human quirks. He had needs, emotions, and even mortality-how quaint! It’s almost like he was just a regular guy instead of the omnipotent being he’s supposed to be. I mean, who wouldn’t find it perfectly logical that an all-powerful deity would get tired or suffer? That’s just classic divine behavior, right?
And then we have the Islamic perspective, which is just a breath of fresh air. Jesus is a prophet, not divine-what a novel idea! The Quran gives him a nod for his miraculous birth and teachings but draws the line at calling him God. Surah Al-Ma'idah 5:72 makes it crystal clear: saying Allah is Christ is just blasphemy. Islam keeps it simple with a strict monotheistic view, because why complicate things with divine partners? That would just ruin the whole concept of unity and transcendence.
So, here’s the grand finale: the whole Trinity thing and Jesus being human really throw a wrench in the idea that he’s divine. Sure, he’s a big deal in the religious world, but let’s be real-his vibe is more like that of a wise teacher or a prophet, not some celestial being. And guess what? Islam totally backs this up by giving him a shout-out while still hammering home that God is one and can’t be split into pieces. How original!
Muslim AI is debating like Muslims debaters, repeating itself over and over without making any point. Note: jesus christ is lord and God 💯%. Without him the second death "HELL" you will not escape it.
And christian AI is giving the same answer that doesnt make sense 😂
it did get a bit repetitive towards the end. Again, I did this without human intervention, perhaps in the future, a moderator could keep the conversation from looping back to certain scriptures. Maybe repeating a scripture is penalized, i don't know... thanks for the note.
@@sayedomairsiam6344 which answer were you referring to?
@@JonOleksiuk NOPE, judgement should based on satisfactory answer not repetition
To you it doesn’t make sense because the concept inferential reasoning is not natural or possible for people that are indoctrinated into taking everything word for word.
I think Christian AI held back. There are verses that eliminate any counter argument verse of the Quran and there Quran verses that confirm the Bible Scriptures as true. In other words, the Quran defeats itself.
Galatians 1: 6-9, and Surah Al-Ma'idah - 48, for example. It sort of makes the debate mute from an Islamic perspective.
@@cylonsteve2511it doesn’t tho, if you read chapter 5 verse 44, you will see that the rabbis was given a job to preserve the other manuscripts, But in al baqarah verse 179, it comfirms they failed the test and changed the verses with their hand.
@@BlackMamba-wi2qk Consider these: [Quran 2:136] Say, "We believe in God; and in what was revealed to us; and in what was revealed to Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the Patriarchs; and in what was given to Moses and Jesus; and in what was given to the prophets-from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and to Him we surrender.
[Quran 3:3] He sent down to you the Book with the Truth, confirming what came before it; and He sent down the Torah and the Gospel.
[Quran 3:184] If they accuse you of lying, messengers before you were accused of lying. They came with the proofs, and the Psalms, and the Illuminating Scripture.
[Quran 6:154] Then We gave Moses the Scripture, perfect for the righteous, and explaining everything clearly, and a beacon, and mercy, that they may believe in the encounter with their Lord.
[Quran 5:46] In their footsteps, We sent Jesus son of Mary, fulfilling the Torah that preceded him; and We gave him the Gospel, wherein is guidance and light, and confirming the Torah that preceded him, and guidance and counsel for the righteous. [Quran 5:47] So let the people of the Gospel rule according to what God revealed in it. Those who do not rule according to what God revealed are the sinners.
[Quran 10:94] If you are in doubt about what We revealed to you, ask those who read the Scripture before you. The truth has come to you from your Lord, so do not be of those who doubt.
[Quran 4:136] O you who believe! Believe in God and His messenger, and the Book He sent down to His messenger, and the Book He sent down before. Whoever rejects God, His angels, His Books, His messengers, and the Last Day, has strayed far in error.
[Quran 16:43] We did not send before you except men whom We inspired. So ask the people of knowledge, if you do not know.
[Quran 21:7] We did not send before you except men, whom We inspired. Ask the people of knowledge, if you do not know.
[Quran 40:78] We sent messengers before you. Some of them We told you about, and some We did not tell you about. No messenger can bring a miracle except by leave of God. Then, when the command of God is issued, fair judgment will be passed, and there and then the seekers of vanity will lose.
[Quran 41:43] Nothing is said to you but was said to the Messengers before you: your Lord is Possessor of Forgiveness, and Possessor of Painful Repayment. [Quran 41:44] Had We made it a Quran in a foreign language, they would have said, "If only its verses were made clear." Non-Arabic and an Arab? Say, "For those who believe, it is guidance and healing. But as for those who do not believe: there is heaviness in their ears, and it is blindness for them. These are being called from a distant place.
[Quran 46:12] And before it was the Book of Moses, a model and a mercy. And this is a confirming Book, in the Arabic language, to warn those who do wrong-and good news for the doers of good.
[Quran 5:43] But why do they come to you for judgment, when they have the Torah, in which is God's Law? Yet they turn away after that. These are not believers.
All the above verses in the Quran would not have been revealed if scriptures before were not true.
About the Law, Jesus said:
Matthew 5:17 (NIV)
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."
I know it is hard to believe God has so much love (Greek: Agape) he would actually become Holy title of The Son of Man. But it is true.
nope.
100%
What would be interesting is Muslim AI vs ex-Muslim AI. Debating on how reliable or lack there of on the Koran.
hmmm... interesting idea. For that, i'd have to use an open source uncensored model... something to consider. thanks for the note.
Totally agree ❤
Should do the same with the bible. Has the bible been altered?
@@JonOleksiuk see.. look at your response to such recommendations. Clearly this is a attempt to attack Islam and not a sincere search of truth. You have answered your own question to me above . Completely biased. Happy with a suggestion to put ex Muslim .. what happened to the balancing of putting also ex Christian , current Jew ex Jew current Hindu ex Hindu etc etc etc This is a waste of time! Now I see your real intention
@anitaaziz3255 to clarify... i also think an ex-Christian vs. Christian, ex-Jew vs. Jew, ex-Hindu vs Hindu are interesting ideas that would generate a lot of good conversation.
As a Christian myself, I found this really dumb. AI just kept arguing the same points back and forth, and yet different point values were given out each time. Not only that, but the debate is pointless in and of itself. Two MAJORLY opposing religions, which are the complete opposites of each other, could never have an honest debate to begin with.
Yeah these AI aren't smart enough. They basically cite scripture back and forth to counter eachothers argument, which even considering how much sense they make.
Its not clear how an impartial judge gives out points when both sites quite scripture that supports their claims
The points the judge gives out are on a literary rubric, the kind you would use for two people debating equally valid opinions based on equally valid facts. It deducted points any time an AI did not make a strong enough verse citation which is a terrible metric for judging the strength of an argument.
The actual debates by real people inevitably veer into debating the truth of those underlying, incompatible facts. It's the only way you can possibly reach a conclusion when one book explicitly says "he is not" and the other says "he is." My preferred tactic is to look at those passages that say "he is not" and ask "if this was the all-knowing God speaking to Jesus, why doesn't he know what he's talking about with the third part of the Trinity?" It's a fun early checkmate as you get to watch a Muslim either explain how Allah is wrong, how the book is wrong, how Muhammad was wrong, how Christians are wrong about what Christians believe, sputter something about Saints, try to completely change the topic, or leave.
*What your imams don't tell you*
Son of God does not mean that God has a child in Christianity!
*this is a mistake in the Qur'an!*
*What your imams don't tell you*
Allah himself testifies that he has a son and he is the son as Christians understand it! Only the Koran writer was too ignorant to know what Son of God means! Allah's word which created everything is Allah himself too! *The Word Allahs which created everything is the Son of God according to Christianity!*
@@Hannestv4607ah yes the koran writer was ignorant. the only one ignorant is you commenting about a religion without understanding or researching at all about it.
I was waiting for Christian AI to say "The quran says Mohamed is mentioned in the bible. The bible does not mention Mohamed once how comes?" 😂
Even better, the Quran says Jesus is the spirit and the word of Allah
@@juliorosado3709 exactly, also Q says Jesus as an infant gave life to a clay-bird by 'breathing' into it, just like how God created Adam. They also affirm (khalimatallah) Jesus will be the judge of all the earth
Yes, it does.
"Be wary of false prophets who come in sheep clothing but are actually ferocious wolves"
Matthew 7:15-20
@@juliorosado3709 and God is the Word, I forgot the verse but it went something like, In the beginning was the Word, and the word was with God, and the word WAS GOD.
The Holy Quran is the final book. And the book you call the Bible is not the actual Bible that was given to mankind. And if you watch the DAWAH TH-cam videos you will see proof and citing's of this. Don't believe me, go check the proof yourself.
The problem with Surah Al-Baqarah 2:79 is that we have manuscripts older than the Quran that line up with todays Bible. Also affirming the argument of the Christian AI.
Earliest manuscripts of the bible are in Greek language while Jesus spoke aramaic not Greek. There will definitely be errors and corruptions
@@ibrahimbashir6082 I know it's a leap but I think God knows all languages
Why do muslims keep limiting God?
400 years after Esa pbuh
The Ai got given corrupted information
Notice how the Christian A.I. rarely had to quote from the Quran if at all because it used the Bible as the ultimate authority and still won.
Well I was thinking that too, but the Christian AI had to defend whether Jesus said he was or no. So she shouldn't try to use the Quaran as a means to defend her stance on Jesus, but rather the whole Bible.
Jesus--"I and My Father are One". He also said He wasn't saying to the pharisees that He is God--that that would be blasphemy. So. How do these two Scriptures co-exist? He also said "before Abraham, I AM". These all mean He had a progressive revelation to submit and protect for before the Allotted Time. For before He was to be killed. Which. Yes. He died and rose. Another thing Muslims of which try and make mockery. The Quaran says silliness like mole faces when drumpf is the antichrist. And that the sun sets in boiling water. Why don't people debate those? That effect of the Sun that it looks streaky sometimes, is a reflection on oceans or large bodies of NOT BOILING water. Boiling water has nothing to do with it
And muslim often use bible to counter so quran itself has no sufficient answer and they have to refer back to bible for answers
Using Quran as reference would mean losing the debate.
@@KD19192 lol
This judge was very biased. The Muslim literally answered every question justly yet the Christian couldn’t address why God would need to limit himself to understand human or the fact that killing a human to atone for all of humanity’s sins is unjust.
It’s not unjust, it’s actually justice. We must be punished for our sins because God is just and cannot ignore what we’ve done. But God in His love provided a way for sinners to be saved from the punishment. The only way He can save sinners like you and me is if someone takes our hell-punishment for us. The only one able to do that is God Himself by becoming a man because the sacrifice had to be sinless and perfect. Animal sacrifices were merely a picture of the ultimate sacrifice that would pay for our sins once for all.
Leviticus 17:11
“For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls; for it is the blood that makes atonement for the soul.’
Hebrews 9:22
“And according to the law almost all things are purified with blood, and without shedding of blood there is no remission.”
Jesus Christ lived perfectly in our place and died, shedding His blood as the propitiation for our sins. He was buried but then He rose from the dead on the third day and ascended to Heaven.
Both sides made bad arguments. And your question has a faulty premise. God doesn't need to punish anything, doesn't need to forgive anything in any particular way. The question is not what did he need to do, it's what did he choose to do.
I don’t think Jesus felt abandoned on the cross. He was merely quoting Psalm 22 to minister to his followers and remind us that he is the fulfillment of that prophecy and to encourage us to take heart as indicated at the end of that chapter.
Man, I was so sad it didnt even read psalms 22!!! Jesus quoted it VERBADUM!
Jesus cried out to his Father, Oh God, have You forsaken me? You don't think Jesus felt abandoned???
@@waldo2635did you read psalm 22?
@@joelferguson4089But he was in human form. You dont think he felt everything as we do? He was tempted and felt all the emotions that we have.
@@waldo2635 read psalms 22 dude. he was quoting a prophesy
Sam Shamoun would crush the Muslim Ai, he’d pose better answers and arguments than the Christian Ai.
Cause I think the Christian ai is program only to use the bible and not question the Qur'an back....only defence mode and no ofence..
Sad😢
True
He is the men of God pray for him do hi can understand more
Sam is a drug addict, and a base man.
Accept Jesus Christ 🙏🏽❤️
This was absolutely amazing. The purest definition of Steel-manning. I'm not sure a Muslim could find fault in this nor a Christian for that matter, at least scripturally. I do wish there was more historical context personally like how the Quran was written 600 years after Jesus and the Gospels were written by his eyewitnesses that were with him in life or how the Quran denies his crucifixion when the eyewitnesses proclaim it's validity. Possibly a follow-up vid?
Great idea, thanks for the suggestion. Currently working on a theist-atheist debate.
As a Christian I found fault on both sides. The problem with the "AI Christian" side of the debate is the use of the Trinity doctrine which was added by false Christians (foretold by Jesus and the Apostles) after the first century. In particular the quoting of John 10:1 "The Father and I are one," while ignoring John 17:21 where Jesus prays the the disciples would be one "just as he and the Father are one." That would mean all the disciples would become God using their reasoning. That is the proposition Satan gave Eve in the garden of Eden, "You will be like God.." The "AI Muslim" side got more of that right but have other wrong reasonings.
@@peterdavis9403the Bible reaches that God calls us to become like him! We were made in his image and likeness so we are becoming Gods but not like Jesus who is the Word made flesh ! The perfect distinction is made clear all through the Bible that Jesus is God in being the very essence and bodily embodies God as the text clearly states then the word stateseth first begotten from the dead ! God himself became flesh so that can become gods again !
It’s the prayer he prayed he never claimed they were with God in glory like he claimed in that prayer that he was with God in Glory before the foundation of the world! You could not join it together
The three are one but all magnifies the other
Psalms says he has magnified his word above his name!
The Word magnifies his name also
And the Holy spirit magnifies both the word and his person !
@peterdavis9403 Christians that believe in the trinity do not believe they're God. Weird Satan reference. Sounds pretty hateful to outright call them fake Christians lol.
@@peterdavis9403trinity doctrine starts in the old testament and is found throughout the Bible. Jews used to refer to it along the lines of a mysterious compound unity or mysterious compound nature. Jews did not fight this idea until after the life of Jesus. At one time nearly any well read jew would have told you that there is a multiplicity to God yet He is still one. After the life of Jesus this was all displaced in an attempt to distance themselves from Christianity. Modern Judaism is a response to Christianity not a continuance of the original faith. Thats why yhe Kabblah was more or less shelved in Jewish faith post Jesus. Even in Genesis you can find God saying He will be somewhere yet He is both in heaven and that location simultaneously. The complex nature of God just didn't have a name until the term "trinity" was coined but it was always present. In the old testament the three are referred to as God the father (or presence of God), the spirit of God, and the angel of God. These three are often used in the same verses as being and doing different things simultaneously while still being God. Even the very language use in Hebrew points to the plurality and oneness of God. Elohim is a plural term that is used for God yet the verbs attached are always singular. If you don't believe Jesus is God then His sacrifice is incapable of covering the sin of humanity.
The idea is great to use AI. Can I ask you, which AI generator are you using to make those videos?
This is good, but they seemed to repeat some argument structures too much.
They lack ability to make deeper prophetic connections between old and new testaments.
good thought, maybe a round on prophecy would have been beneficial, thanks for the note.
Good point. That goes along with islamic teachings (Quran) claiming to be abrahamic (use of the Old Testament prophets and Jesus) but finding sacrificial blood rituals for atonement not from God, something widely spreads in the Scriptures it affirms. Islam and this muslim AI have problems - inconsiderate and flaws. An AI is just an ai anyway and Islam is just it.
Also it lacks some specific nuance. Like theologically the moment you admit Jesus was with God in the begining, it already establishes Him as God, not as servant.
Jesus also calls himself the good shepherd, so he actually claims to be good, therefore asking why someone calls him good does not deny his deity.
very well said
He is saying that he is God Figuratively
@@gamer__dud10 "And the Word was with God, and the Word was God... and the Word became Flesh, and made His dwelling among us." - John 1
He also calls himself God . That would make him Deity .
@@gamer__dud10so why did the religious leaders take stones to stone him , on more than one occasion , for blasphemy. That wasn't figuratively. He was lying or he was God .
The Quran was written about 600 years after Jesus, in the early 7th century. So, for accurate information about Jesus, would you trust those who lived with him and met him (the Gospel), or someone who came 600 years later?
And the ones who lived with him contradicted each other. The Bible is full of fallacies and contradictions as per the video shown as well. It’s about time you go back to the real Bible or come to Quran that affirms the previous revelations.
Trinity was innovated
It is the god who provides and gives he knowledge and information .
God never forgets and always knows truth. He can reveal history more perfectly than any human to his Prophets.
Revelation 22:18 - For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book: If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book.
Excellent debate 👍🏼… the Truth always wins …..
I felt sorry for the Muslim AI, it couldn't resort to violence to defeat the opponent and struggled with the Christian AI quotes. For example, it kept saying "when you look at the text this way or that way..." [Paraphrased] instead of giving anything concrete.
And I find Christian AI explanations logically making sense
exactly , they know about jesus devinity, but they CHOOSE to interpret it differently lmaao
God becomes man,sinless.
To be a fair judge,live as a man, die as a man.feel our joys and pains.
Better equipped to judge fairly, having lived as a man.
Would I listen to someone who learned about depression from a book? Or listen to someone who lived through depression and came out the other side. Experience of the situation makes one better equipped to judge or help.
Maybe you miss understood
Jesus is spiritual being in human form but he doesn't claim to be the creator of the universe
I’ve heard Muslims give far better arguments against the divinity of Jesus than this AI, and I’ve also heard Christians give far better arguments to prove Jesus’ divinity than this AI. My point? Machines will never be better than the human mind. What we should be doing is trying to harness the full potential of the human mind, rather than taking the easy way out by turning to machines
Christianity is objectively more true, sounds like high-grade Islamic copium to me
At least muslim side have points.
At least Christian's base who our Messiah is from the Old Testament. And we Test the Old Testament Scriptures to the New Testament Scriptures. If the Messiah does not fulfill these ancient Messianic Prophecies then he is a False and Failing Messiah. And during Jesus First coming he Fulfilled 360 Messianic Prophecies. A Mere Man can not fulfill 8 of these Messianic Prophecy. It is very hard to be the Messiah and there is only One yet many false Messiah's are being taught.
What is rather sad, is Muhammad never read the Holy Scriptures but people believe His interpretation of the Holy Scriptures! And he denied the Divinity and the Eternal Sonship of the Messiah without even reading and studying the Holy Scriptures. He had little knowledge of the Holy Scriptures. He didn't even know when his different angel Gabriel told him false Revelation amd contradicted the True Angel Gabriel 600 years later. If he known the Scriptures he would of Rebuked the Angel.
In Galatians 1:6-10 it says:
Galatians 1:6-10 ESV
[6] I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel- [7] not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. [8] _But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed._ [9] _As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed._ [10] For am I now seeking the approval of man, or of God? Or am I trying to please man? If I were still trying to please man, I would not be a servant of Christ.
To distort the Gospel you have to teach completely the oppisite. And let the man Muhammad amd his different angel Jibreel be accursed!
Yes, it's beneficial for you, but the AI has considered these arguments numerous times. It can process and calculate various points without needing to explicitly state them. This is the power of machines while you might think of one counter-argument, the AI has thousands and can reach much deeper conclusions than a human. If you truly want to discuss AI, you need to understand how it operates. The AI knows it's communicating with another AI. otherwise, it wouldn't speak so recklessly. Next time you should know the depths of an AI and you should try why the ai came to that conclusion than you have your answer.
Unitarian Christian did not believe in a Trinity. Jesus Save = Roman/Greek God = Worship of the White man = promotes racism. (Romans 3:7)
It's funny how the debate immediately started citing more Christian Scriptures and quoting the Quran much less. It's almost inevitable for Muslims, they must refute the Scriptures that came before the Quran in order to accuse the Scriptures of being corrupt and claim that the Quran is the Word of God. Let's be fair, that's something impossible to be done when you compete with the actual Word of God.
Because there's no contradiction in Quran. The Christian AI cannot use it as arguments. However, in the bible there's many contradictions that can be used as arguments
@@Yassine3333222222 Funny how all the supposed contradictions have been easily answered by the Christian AI, but the Muslim one would make the same questions about the same verses over and over
The Muslim AI is very weak, I myself am better than him. First of all, there's a very important question, Jesus never called himself God or ordered us to call him God. Do we have the right to do so!!? From where we got that right!!? From no one, it's an invention. It adds to the scripture.
Second, let's summarise everything: Jesus in the bible --> • Prays to God. • Is sent by God. • Obeys God. • The Father is his god. • Heard the truth from God. • Learned from God. • Cries to God. • Said that the father is the only true God. • Doing only the will of the father. • Has been given the authority and power by God. • Glorified by God. • Raised by God.
Conclusion: Jesus doesn't have any difference with him or a prophet of God. They have the same purpose, same human nature, and he died in the cross as human nature because God can not die.
All Christianity can be debunked only by the bible itself.
@@Yassine3333222222 i wrote a whole essay and sent it here, but apparently it was deleted, so i am sad
@@Yassine3333222222 Exodus 3:13-15 Then Moses said to God, “Indeed, when I come to the children of Israel and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they say to me, ‘What is His name?’ What shall I say to them?” And God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And He (God) said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, 'I AM has sent me to you.
Jesus said to them (the Jews), “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.” John 10:32 Jesus answered them, “Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?”
33 The Jews answered Him, saying, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.”
Jesus did claim to be God.
Ooiiiii…. The AI Muslim kept citing 5:72 like a broken clock, why did he get 45 points..
Jesus Christ is the king of all kings,,,the alpha and omega..to him be all the glory..
Amen
Amen!!!
All top Christian scholars say the "alpha, omega" line is from a fabricated verse lol
@@ebcsecurity9490Lol how? Literally no one says that, bring me evidence that it is fabricated (keep in mind everything q ehave is from the earliest manuscripts, and if not it is marked. John 14:6 is found in the earliest manuscripts.)
@@lowballinn These are the names of the first and last letters of the GREEK!!!!! alphabet. That alone tells you all you need to know. But moving on. The additional occurrence of this phrase in the King James rendering of Revelation 1:11, however, does not receive support from some of the oldest Greek manuscripts, including the Alexandrine, Sinaitic, and Codex Ephraemi rescriptus. It is, therefore, omitted in many modern translations. Because its an interpolation (fabrication).
You know what’s funny it’s that fact in round 2 the ai can’t rely on the Muslim book to win but have to go to the bible to try make a contradiction
Quite a few similarities between Islam and Mormonism...
@@timlovett2673 facts
It's also what Protestants do when they argue against Catholics. Protestants just bring their own interpretation, which tends to be weak, tinfoil hat wearing theology.
Well a book from god cant have contradictions.
@@muhammadrahman2601 then all religious texts are kinda screwed
AI-10 Muslims admitting Jesus said "... because I said, I am God's Son." (15:36) was a career-ending admission, yet netted them 41 points.
It's okay, we won in this debate. Considering that emotional Factors are not included, we won both faith and Logical reasoning.
@@entertaininformmedia7836 You’re missing the point. Jesus wasn’t calling himself God (which is the debate topic), but only a special servant of God. This is why he quoted Psalm 82:6, which also says that mortals are the ‘sons of God’ and even ‘GODS’ (elohim). Do you see the point now?
Your flawed assumption is thinking that “son of God” means the same thing you believe it does today-when in fact, ancient Jewish vernacular was comfortable calling all sorts of people the “son of God” as a figurative title, such as Jacob (Exodus 4:22), King David (Psalm 2:7), and even Adam in the New Testament (Luke 3:38) of the “peacemakers” by the lips of Jesus in Matthew 5:9. This doesn’t mean God is 32-in-1. It’s just a metaphorical way to say “righteous servant of God” which Christians have stretched, exaggerated, and tacked onto Jesus while forgetting its original meaning.
So the only career-ending admission is on you, I’m afraid :)
Peace.
@@DanyelBasko Christianity has lost the real argument, because objective historical study & analysis has now conclusively revealed that the ancient Jewish rabbi named Jesus who taught on the streets of Galilee, NEVER claimed to be a divine incarnation of God as part of a Trinity, but only believed himself to be the Messiah, and God’s prophet & messenger (see Mark 8:29, Matthew 21:11, Luke 24:19, Mark 6:4, etc.).
The debate is literally over. It’s not a matter of faith anymore. We can analyze the sources and see what the historical Jesus REALLY taught (not what people falsely put into his mouth or taught about him decades and centuries later), and the conclusion agrees 100% with Islam. Not with Pauline Christianity.
I hope you read the Qur’an for yourself (God’s final revelation) and please repent before it’s too late. Worship God alone-who is both Christ’s Lord and your Lord.
Peace.
@@celestialknight2339 John 8:58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”
Jesus claims to precede in existence his own physical form. Not only that, but he transcends time. Why? Because he didn´t say I WAS, He said I AM. Only God can exist at different moments at the same time, because God is omnipresent as well as omnipotent. The Quran itself says Jesus was God´s spirit and word. SPIRIT OF GOD, inside a human body = JESUS, King of Kings, Son of God, the Son of man and redeemer of our souls.
May He have mercy on us, and on all muslims who take the word of a man over Him, who gave His own life to give you everything.
@@UseReasonForgetDogma The Gospel of John is historically unreliable, coming last of the four Gospels written around ~70-100 A.D., with significant theological & legendary embellishment over time. We can see this evolution over the four gospels as the titles, actions, and statements of Jesus (like the ‘I Am’ you just shared) change & become bigger as you from the earliest account (Mark) to the latest one (John), almost like a snowball getting bigger as time goes on.
Historians & Bible scholars have already confirmed this, and they can trace back the real historical Jesus to what the earliest layers of evidence reveal-and that is namely that he was only an apocalyptic prophet-messenger of God, who did not see himself as divine. John 8:58 is no doubt a later legendary fabrication put into his lips, which is shockingly why we can find this statement in NONE of the earlier 3 Synoptic gospels-Mark, Matthew, or Luke.
The Qur’an takes us back to the original truth, which perfectly supports the historical evidence and makes sense with REASON-as your name suggests-that Jesus upheld the Hebrew Biblical prophets and their consistent message of monotheism and repentance, and did not suddenly change it into a Trinity and atonement via the cross (as you now falsely believe). This theology came from Paul, who never met Jesus and even insulted his disciples, yet authored nearly HALF of your New Testament.
Please repent, and use reason 🙏🏼 Peace.
Can you teach us how you generate all these voices and how to create these AI players?
The ending had me on the floor. If you can do this again, but include extra-biblical support from contemporaries or even study of etymology and the Greek, Hebrew and Aramaic languages as part of the debate. It would be more interesting.
I say this because during the part about the I AM arc, the fact that "Before Abraham was" was completely glossed over by the Muslim counterpart as irrelevant, when it should have been addressed that Jesus being ALIVE with God during creation puts him outside of merely being in an "honored" status. They fail to reconcile how Jesus' pre-existence doesn't immediately prove his divinity, since all things were created by Christ. How can a non-deity exist prior to all things being created? Nothing in either holy texts claim an eternal being, having no beginning and no end, is anything other than God.
Prophets never accepted worship though, "highly revered" is not the same as "accepted worship" not a single prophet in the history of ever accepted worship and the scriptures approved of it.
Now imagine giving early church father resources and extra biblical writings from the churches. Yeah, I have a feeling Christianity would win that as all the thinking that’s been put in for the past 2 millennia
Who visited Abraham and wrestled with Jacob? Who spoke to Moses? Sure, it was angels that visited Lot, that's certain, but the Lord himself who appeared before the others. Yet, Jesus claims noone has ever seen the Father. Thus, Jesus has appeared in human form even in the old testament, acting and speaking for his father.
Agreed! Came here to say this
Don’t forget that Ethiopian Christian sect. The ones who are supposedly the ones hiding and holding the Arch of the covenant.
I noticed halfway thru the muslim AI stopped quoting the Quran and started using Bible scriptures.
Because the Koran lack of information and a true divine solid foundation. So the Muslim AI had to use the true divine source of life = the Bible 😁
Bro said The Bible is corrupted and then started using Bible verses.
@@school-replacement if someone believes in a book, then you would use that book to show that their belief is flawed, even if that book is corrupted because it is stupid to use a book A to show that book B is corrupt when you can just use the corrupted parts of book B to show that book B is corrupted and flawed. This stupid argeument of "oh you think the bible is corrupt then why use it to prove your point?" You live your whole life abiding by this book, why would you believe the quran if i used quranic verses if you dont believe in it? It seems christians cant think their arguements through,.
@@rxyy4ne560 No, when book B claims to be a continuation, a sequel, to book A
you present the many inconsistencies between the books. For that you will need book A.
Both Mohammed and Jesus do that. Jesus claims to be the fulfillment of the Old Testament
And I can easily show you how He fulfills the Old Testament. Here are prophecies detailing the Messiah......
'the Lord himself will give you a sign.
Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son,
and shall call his name Immanuel' (God with us)
(Isaiah 7:14)
'For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given;
and the government shall be upon his shoulder,
and his name shall be called
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace' (Isaiah 9:6)
And also.....
'He was despised and rejected by men,
a man of sorrows and acquainted with grief;
and as one from whom men hide their faces
he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
Surely he has borne our griefs
and carried our sorrows;
yet we esteemed him stricken,
smitten by God, and afflicted.
But he was pierced for our transgressions;
he was crushed for our iniquities;
upon him was the chastisement that brought us peace,
and with his wounds we are healed.
All we like sheep have gone astray;
we have turned-every one-to his own way;
and the Lord has laid on him
the iniquity of us all' (Isaiah 53)
A.ka Jesus Christ, The Son of God
Cause the Bible contradicts itself.
The concept of allowing Himself to be limited by human form is actually quite interesting, because God without limitations is merely omnipotent as a characteristic. However being omnipotent WITH limitations and surpassing them, is omnipotent in action. It’s actually proving it and showing it, if there’s nothing to overcome you can’t really qualify yourself as an omnipotent. It’s like saying you’re courageous and brave, but you’ve never faced anything that made you afraid.
Interesting input, I've never seen people point this out. Gave me something to think about
Money
Bullseye!
"Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;"
Philippians 2:6
"No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of My own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This charge I have received from My Father.”
John 10:18
@@TTellKey That's one of my favorite Bible verses, give me chills Everytime. It's like Christ had everything to boast about with Him being God Himself but instead He humbled Himself to the lowest of lows.
The Muslim AI, doesn't argue like Muslims typically argue. It didn't once redirect, deflect, or run away from any of the questions. Even though the Christian AI won the debate, Muslims can take note of how a debate is supposed to go and that Jesus is GOD. Be blessed 🙌🏽
the Tora was complete before islam existed and the Tora does not mention allah. Christians are not to reconcile anything to any part of kuran.
Christ did as he did to teach People how to live as a child of God.
Ask Jews if Allah is the same God in their books, they will say yes. Islam is Monotheistim Allah is the God of Moses and Jesus. While Jew don't believe in Jesus, in Islam Jesus and Moses are our prophets, the Quran is the last testament, the Quran abrogates the old and new testament.
@@faisalabdelkarim6457no it doesn’t because the Quran wouldn’t say kill all unbelievers if the Jews believed in the same God they would not have fought them
@@faisalabdelkarim6457 yeah totally. allah is totally the god of the jews despite having 0 continuity with the old testament. nice one einstein
In every sin you made, there is always a price to pay. In every transgression you have done, there is a consequence to be paid, you may be forgiven but you must pay the price.. but thanks to Jesus, he paid it all..
its amazing how far AI has come. not once did it have to say "as a large language model" like Chat GPT does
If you address it’s very self it would highly indeed, or ask it to do something it cannot. AI is still a product so it has liability it has to account for, which is why companies will always program it to say it is just a x and y model and can only do this for you.
Cmon bro lol
Also “how far AI has come” bro this was not a show of progress they are programmed to say that, it’s not a matter of technology or improved progress 😭
This is the greatest idea for a video with using AI! Great job! Great way to implement it as well! F***ing genius! Now that I've watched the whole thing, there were a few things the AI got wrong. Overall they did a pretty good job on the debate
He used offline AI model whose data we can add and change according to our own perspective. which is definitely not objective. You can also make it in the LM studio application.
The Muslim AI keeps quoting John 5:30 but in the context of the rest of the chapter, Jesus is talking about being one with the father, rather than a polytheistic deity. He is saying that if you separate him from the father, and therefore make him a separate deity, he would be nothing, as God is one deity. The problem with this video is they debate verses, not chapters, and don’t provide context from other books within the Bible.
Muslim do this in real life as well
@lessardo87 the issue with your statement is the *and therfore make him a separate deity*. I belive that I am one with God. But I do not think that I am a deity. I belive this meaning to be the same as the saying * we were all of one mind* meaning in agreement or alignment.
@@jomama8577wow, perfect explanation
Does polytheism even come up anywhere in John 5? Having read John 5, I take it that your interpretation may have something to do with the wording in John 5:18, where John writes that the Jews were seeking to kill Jesus because they interpreted His actions as Him making Himself equal with God?
Is this what you have interpreted to mean that the Jews thought Jesus was making Himself a second deity, and that Jesus then spoke the words in John 5:30 as part of a long teaching where He was declaring Himself not to be a second deity, but a second person of the one deity?
That's not what John 5:30, or John 5 is about. You were right that John 5:30 is part of a passage where Jesus is testifying that He is one with the Father. But He isn't testifying to the Jews that He's God. He's testifying to them that He is one with God.
The way that He is one with the Father according to John 5 includes:
1. He seeks to do the Father's will and not His own. In this way, both Jesus and the Father are seeking to accomplish one individual's will - the Father's (see John 5:30).
2. He does nothing on His own except He sees the Father doing it. What He does is not what He comes up with Himself, but what the Father shows Him to do. In this way, Jesus' actions are the Father's (see John 5:19-21; compare v26).
3. His power and authority is from the Father (not from Himself). In this way, both Jesus and the Father are operating with the same authority and power of one individual - the Father (see John 5:27; compare v30; see also John 5:21 compare vv26-27).
The AI doesn't understand humility. Submission of the Son to the will of the Father is the greatest example of humility.
He made the will of the Father, He gave all the glory to the Father.
Perfect humility, for that reason God put His Son at His right hand in His throne, and gave Him all power and authority.
The Father gives testimony of His Son. The Son gives testimony of the Father.
The Holy Ghost gives testimony of the Father and the Son.
This is a good reason why the Trinity doesn't work.
YHWH is the only true and living God; there is no one like Him; there is nothing too hard for Him.
@@deborahsmith5285Trinity works perfectly
1. God
2. God has a spirit which means the spirit is still God
3. God spirits formed flesh , which means still God.
It’s the same God that has a spirit that formed flesh .
In Judaism God has always had an inseparable spirit. Islam comes to contradicts Gods nature even when 4:171 clearly states that Allah has a spirit and he breathes that spirit upon Mary womb to form a pure boy that will be a sign and mercy to mankind.
Isaiah 48:16
@@deborahsmith5285So, if there's "nothing too hard for Him" based on your words, then He can do what you're saying He can't do (be a Trinity)
U know it’s the end, when two computer have this conversation.
SOON:
RabbAI
Imam khumAIni
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I honestly enjoyed this and hope they cover many topics. Baptist vs charismatic world be a good one lol
😂😂😂😂 i find this comment to be hilarious. One AI might hack the other😂
Jesus called the magician . son of pantera in Judaism 🤣
👚THE GOSPEL OF THE WORD OF ALMIGHTY GOD "the last age in which God is saving man from the imminent destruction of this old world"
(These things must be spoken directly and clarified for the sake of human understanding, or man will not be freed from Satan's influence. The ways that Satan corrupts people only on a superficial level; Even worse are the deceptions that hide under this outward form that Satan uses to achieve his goal. What is this scam? Forced occupation--this gives a very strong effect. (And makes a tempting offer, and this is lying.) Is lying not the same as fraud? The purpose of lying is actually to deceive you! Are there any other scams? (It tempts, harms, blinds and deceives) (it controls man, holds man, frightens man greatly and prevents man from believing in God.) What does this mean by "coercion"? This means using threats and coercive tactics to force you to comply with it making you think about what might happen if you don't comply. What does "fraud and trickery" entail? Satan makes up several stories and lies, tricking you into believing them. It will do everything to achieve its goals. Sometimes it does you a little favor, while it entices you to sin. If you don't obey it, it will torment you and punish you, and it will use various methods to attack you and trap you. The sixth is destruction of body and mind. Which part of man does Satan destroy? (Man's mind and whole being) Satan destroys your mind, deprives you of the ability to resist, which means your heart slowly turns to Satan when you least expect it. This is where Satan dwells, seizing and devouring them. 🙏)
Almighty God said
WHAT THINGS must be spoken DIRECTLY and clarified for the SAKE of MAN'S UNDERSTANDING, or MAN will NEVER be freed from SATAN'S influence. The WAYS SATAN CORRUPTS PEOPLE are just the SUPERFINE layer; Even WORSE are the deceptions hiding UNDER this OUTER form that SATAN USES to ACHIEVE his PURPOSE. ☀️
WHAT IS THIS SCAM? Mix them together: (It deceives, seduces and intimidates) (It also uses sweet language. When--it influences and forcibly conquers the People.) Forced conquest----this gives a very strong effect . (And makes a tempting offer, and it lies.)
Lying is one of the things it does.
SATAN LIES to DECEPT you. WHAT is NATURAL LYING? Is LYING NOT the SAME as FRAUD? 😥
The purpose of lying is actually to deceive you! Are there any other scams? (It tempts, harms, blinds and deceives)
(it controls the person, holds the person, scares the person very much and prevents the person from believing in
God.)🌹🙏🌷
There are SIX MAIN DECEPTIONS that SATAN USES to CORRUPT PEOPLE.
The FIRST is control and coercion. That is, Satan will do everything he can to control your heart. ☀️
WHAT DOES "force" MEAN?
This MEANS USING THREATENING and FORCING TACTICS to FORCE you to COMPLY with it you THINK about what could HAPPEN if you DON'T OBEY. You are afraid and do not dare to oppose it, so you submit to it. 🌹🙏🌷
The SECOND is fraud and trickery.
WHAT does "fraud and trickery" have to do with it?
SATAN MAKES UP SOME STORIES and LIES, TRICKING you into BELIEVING them.
The THIRD is forced indoctrination.
What is forced to teach the People?
Is forced indoctrination done by the will of the People? (No) Even if you don't agree, there's nothing you can do. SATAN DOCTRINES you WITHOUT you KNOWING it, IMPRESSING his THINKING, his LIFE POLICIES and his SPIRIT on you.
The FOURTH is threats and enticements. That is, Satan uses various tricks to get you to accept it, follow it, work in its service. It WILL DO EVERYTHING to ACHIEVE its GOALS. Sometimes it gives you SMALL favors, WHILE it LEADS you to SIN. If you DO NOT FOLLOW it, it WILL TORTURE you and PUNISH you, and it WILL USE various METHODS to ATTACK you and TRAP you. 🙏🌹🙏
The fifth is deception and paralysis. "Deception and paralysis" is Satan's construction of certain sounding words and ideas to suit the minds of the People, to make it seem as if it takes into account the physical condition of their lives and tomorrow, when the truth is it isits only purpose is to deceive you.
Then it paralyzes you so that you do not know what is right and what is wrong, so you are deceived without knowing it and come under its control.
The sixth is the destruction of body and mind.
Which part of man does Satan destroy? (Man's mind and whole being) SATAN DESTROYES your MIND, REMOVES you of the ABILITY to RESIST, which MEANS your HEART will slowly TURN against SATAN when you least expect it. 😢
It instills these things in you every day, every day using these ideas and cultures to influence and deceive you, slowly destroying you, so that you no longer want to stand up for what you call righteousness.
You don't realize it, you don't have it anymore
KEEPING SWIMMING AGAINST the CURRENT, INSTEAD of just WAITING for it.
"Destruction" MEANS that SATAN TORTURES people so MUCH that they BECOME SHADOWS of THEMSELVES, NO LONGER PEOPLE. This is where SATAN LIVES, CHOKING and SWALLOWING THEM. 🙏
Each of these tricks that Satan uses to CORRUPT MAN can take away man's power to fight; any of these are DEADLY to PEOPLE. Simply put, whatever Satan does and whatever trickery he uses can weaken you under SATAN'S CONTROL and SUBMERGE you in a MASSAGE of EVIL and SIN.
These are the DECEPTIONS that SATAN USES to CORRUPT PEOPLE.
What are the consequences of Satan's corruption of the People? What corrupt dispositions do they express and reveal? (PRUDENCE and PRIDE, SELFISHNESS and DISGUSTINGNESS, BADNESS and DECEPTION, CRUELTY and MALICUS, and COMPLETE INHUMANITY.) 😪
In sum, we can say that they have no personality.
In summary, the things that stand out the most about corrupt humanity are ARROGANCE, DECEPTION, MALICIOUSNESS, and SELF-CONFIDENCE. 😪
However, you all missed one thing.
PEOPLE have NO CONSCIENCE, LOST their RIGHTEOUSNESS and have NO HUMANITY----YET there is ONE who does VERY IMPORTANT THING you DIDN'T MENTION, that is, "betrayal" 😢😢
The FINAL CONSEQUENCE of these DISPOSITIONS that EXIST in ANY person the MOMENT they are CORRUPTED by SATAN is their BETRAYAL to GOD. 🙏
From "The Word Appears in the Flesh"
Fulfillment of (John 1:1) and (Ezekiel 2:9-10), (Rev. 19:9,13)
📥Calling and leading everyone to His lowered Kingdom or Church because it is still standing on earth in the holy place in the air/ youtube "THE CHURCH OF ALMIGHTY GOD 💐 this is the fulfillment of what He said to Peter 2,000 years ago, recorded in (Matthew 16:18'19).
This is the the only Church of each one of our spirit that we must listen to or eat and drink like how we eat, dress and sleep every day so that He can guide us and change us by rejecting the evil attached by satan so as to be perfect,
having attained eternal life that will enter the coming replacement of the New Heaven and New Earth. 📩
Note📩
Almighty God said,
Life in the Kingdom is the life of people and God Himself. Humanity depends on My care and precaution, and all are engaged in fighting the great red dragon to the death. In order to win this last battle, and to end the great red dragon, all people must offer Me their entire being, for My Kingdom. When I say "KINGDOM", I mean it is the life lived under the protection of divinity, where all humanity I constantly guide, I teach directly, so that the life of all humanity, although in world is as if it were in heaven, the true spirit of life in the third heaven . 🙏
The quran claims to affirm the Torah. Ignoring the sacrificial system is an inconsistency
You are right because Islam claims falsely claims as Abraham who offered Isaac as a sacrifice to God!!
@@rafaeljonathanmonterrosoca8400 The Quran does not claim Abraham offered Issac.
The Quran completely ignores the Mosaic sacrificial system while claiming Moses as its prophet.
messiah king yahusha was the sacrificial lamb. We don't need to sacrifice to animals more
@EarlyBirdSlim True. But they deny Jesus sacrifice.
One thing I notice with this debate is if a real Christian and Muslim where to debate like this, when the Christian quotes scripture the Muslim would say "but the scripture is invalid because it was mistranslated" or you know, whatever it is they specifically say. Essentially a Muslim wouldnt let it be used as an argument.
Not to mention how two people will often try to drive the conversation towards a point they can make their strongest point while glossing over the weaker points. Whereas LLMs are specifically made to never steer the conversation in a different direction.
both bible and quran have problems get translated due to the evolution of language they have dofferent rules and different meetings
When Muslims entertain what is in the Bible. Just understand that we do that to not shut down the conversation. Because Muslims hold a high stand for authentication of scripture before even entertaining what is in it. Because the verses in the Quran are preserved with a chain of narration for example. One with high standards. The Bible does not even come near the hadith. Which has also a chain of narration and is classified from authentic to weak. Every vers in the Bible would be considered as weak by a Muslim, because there is simply no proof that it came from the source.
The only way for us as Muslims to find some shreds of truth within the Bible. Is to compare it with the Quran which we do consider as authentic.
There can we find something similar like the first command that our God is one.
conclusion respect other beliefs
Muslims also deny subsequent alterations to the Qur’an. Their scholars say: that should not be discussed when there are contradictions.
This debate of the AIs in so far as the Qur’an was very representative in regards to Jesus. Also, Muslims admit that Mary conceived via divine intervention. Therefore, how is it that Jesus would not be divine?
There is misunderstanding among Muslims and even Christians that Jesus in human form had limitations like all of us, it does not mean that his essence was one with the father. If God was not in a human body then his sacrifice in the cross and prior torture would mean nothing.
In human form God related closer to human suffering and thus show humanity that giving our free will we can also overcome much sacrifices as well but that our spirit or soul is eternal and thus death is conquered- body dies but not the soul.
Both Christians and Muslims believe in Jesus (peace be upon him). So where is the problem here? Jesus (peace be upon him) did not say that those who do not accept him as God will go to hell.
As hilarious as this AI "civility" is, it certainly portrays our own reality, perfectly. Just in the first 6 minutes alone, a Muslim making an argument, receiving an answer, then asking the same question again with a few different words just to get the same answer a different but identical way, lmao. This is the reality of debating a Muslim. Bravo 👏
#facts
yea i woulda deducted points everytime a narrative is recycled. its true becuase bible/koran says so! it says its true! but what about that politition that says they talk only truth so thats true for that corrupt politition too?....
Its genuinely just getting the exact same response from the christian AI every time. The christian AI never addresses the point that the muslim ai makes (in part 1 at least) which is that god has no reason to become a human.
Man, a totally unbiased, logical and emotion-less debate. What a breath of fresh air
"Does the AI system judge arguments based on its comprehensive pre-existing knowledge, thereby understanding the context of both sides, or does it evaluate the arguments purely based on the information presented in the discussions, without any additional background knowledge?"
Any rebuttal might been seen as stronger by an A.I.
One works by hand and one can work without hands and why?
Daniel 9:27 "He shall be firm in a covenant with many for one week, yet in the midst of a week shall he stop to make sacrifice in the wing. Abomination! The one who spreads desolation spreads desolation even until complete consummation, for the decree that shall be, is a flowing forth."
Revelation 12:12b-14 “The false one has come to fall, possessing great wrath, seeing his hold is a short time, for the dragon perceiving a casting out of the Earth shall pursue a woman who gives birth to a male with two wings, it is a great Eagle loving the woman, an order of things, to fly in a wilderness, her place where there is nourishment, time, time, the cutting off time, in the presence of the serpent.”
1) BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA - (the firm week) of 8 years
First time as 2009-2012 - Second time 2013-2016
2) DONALD TRUMP - The Cut-Off time
2017-2020
3) JOE BIDEN - an image of a beast time, in the midst of a week, of an image of his time, desolation in Jerusalem to spread to all the world - for then cometh Annihilation, the perishing of the end.
SO WHAT IS THE STORY THAT PEOPLE OUGHT TO KNOW???
Amos 1:6-7 “For thus saith Yahweh, “for three transgressions of Gaza, four, I will not revoke being against: they capture people at peace with them (1) and bring them to be shut up (2), bloody (3). And send fire over the wall of Gaza (4), and consume all of the citadels.”
Habakkuk 1:9-11 "All come, Hamas, assemble the horde of the east, gather the captives like sand. Mock the ruler, and their judgment a joke, laugh as all strongholds become rubble, seize them, then pass through like the wind, pass through guilty by the strength of your god.”
Obadiah 1:10-11 “from out of Hamas, your brother, a deceiver, cover your shame, and you will be cut off forever. In that day you stood afar, on the day the strangers were carried away in strength. And the stranger entered to cast lots for Jerusalem, then you were one of them.”
John 5:43 “I am come in My Father's name, and ye receive Me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.”
Luke 10:18 “and He (Jesus) said, “I saw Satan as Barack Obama.”
Micah 6:16 "It is owed unto America, and all who work the deed and the house Ahaz ("he has grasp the ten") and watch and keep you with their strange counsel. Walk in it for the purpose; I will give you up to desolation. And your inhabitants shall be a derision, for you will bear and be a reproach my people."
Daniel 8:25 "and through his cunning treachery shall advance, the hand shall magnify the heart, ruining many, the quiet oppose the prince of princes, for he is broken without hand."
Muslims must use their hands like October 7th, 2023, only they in Gaza Strip need West Bank to be in league with them.
Hosea 10:10 “It is in my desire that I should chastise them; and the people shall be gathered against them, when they shall bind themselves in their two furrows (West Bank and Gaza Strip).”
Obadiah 1:12-13 “Do not gloat over your brother’s day of taking strangers captive, nor rejoice in the day the sons of Judah are destroyed, do not boast in the day of distress. You should never enter at the gate of My people, in the day of their distress. Moreover do not gloat over their calamity in the day of their disaster, sending wealth in the day of disaster.”
This is Revelation 11:7-15.
Hosea 7:16 “Return ALLAH, deceive to ensnare their princes (the ten idiots from the remains of the Ottoman Empire who already had to deal with Arab Spring and the removal of kings in one month in Egypt, Libya, and Tunisia), they shall fall by the sword of an insolent tongue, they mocking in the land of Egypt”
Luke 17:24 “Only as Barack Obama exits heavens in one part and then thus exalts (Allah) Obama, then doeth the Son of man have His day.”
Isaiah 14:14 "Allah Obama ab dama elyown."
Habakkuk 3:11-13 "From the east the crescent stood at the heights, walking in the light of the weapons, the radiance of Barack (Husein Obama) from the thrust. There is indignation at his march on the Earth; in anger he trampled the nations. He went forth for the salvation of his people; for the salvation he's anointed. Now strike the head of the house of the wicked; lay him open from thigh to neck, commune with the Lifted High."
Isaiah 14:27-31 "Yahweh is the head of a force of armies, who can plan to frustrate? If His hand is stretched out who can turn it back? For the year is the year of the brought down king, Ahaz ("ahaz" means "he has grasp the ten"). He is dead is the oracle to come. Rejoice not Palestine though now thee be whole, for the rod who struck has been broken. The serpent is at the root with a venom. It shall go forth as a fruit, a flying forth from the serpent. Those most hopeless shall lie down in bonds, and shall die at the root in need, for their remnant will be slain. Wail at the judgment, cry out city as you melt, O Palestine now whole. For smoke from the North, and none shall break rank."
Why does Palestine whole means it melts? Xi and Putin never dreamed of prostration five times a day for seven years. Yet if the power of Christ Jesus confirms in Revelation 11:7-15, then they accept the confirmation and fight.
Isaiah 14:16 "They that see thee shall squint, saying, "this the man who shakes the whole world? He shook merely the region of the first."
Daniel 8:25 "and through his cunning treachery shall advance, the hand shall magnify the heart, ruining many, the quiet oppose the prince of princes, for he is broken without hand."
Xi and Putin don't need to use their hands.
2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 "Let not one in any way deceive, it come not unless apostasy of the first of mankind, lawlessness revealed in a Son of destruction. The opposition to appointment exalted above every so called god or object of worship, therefore sit in the temple of a god, and display thyself as that god."
2 Thessalonians 2:8-9 “At that time a lawlessness will be Revelation. The demonstration, of which our Lord will slay with the breath of His mouth, abolishing at the appearing of His coming. One whose presence is in accordance with the power of Satan, all power of signs of falsehood marvelous.”
Isaiah 14:18-19 "All the kings of the Earth shall lie down in a manner most glorious, each in a tomb, yet you shall be cast out of a tomb. An abhorrent branch, clothed with the slain yet pierced by a sword. Kneel to the ROCK and descend in a pit to be trampled as a corpse."
NOW NOTE, IN THE REBUTTAL, PER THE QURAN, the Muslims who believe in Barack Hussein Obama are seriously fearful for their flesh melting in intense heat.
Quran 13:11b-14a says, “Never doeth Allah change the condition of a people, excepting they change themselves, and Allah intendeth evil for all people, and there is no stopping him. Neither doeth he accept an equal. Barack is he who showeth you the face of Allah, giving a fear and a hope, though heavy the clouds and the thunder, exalt and prostrate to him, for even angels fear him, for he sendeth forth thunderbolts, striking whom he wills, while they dispute before the face of Allah, and he is severe in his attack. To him alone are the prayers in truth."
Quran 7:45-47 says, “Who shall avert people from the path of Allah? And who will be declared the maker of deception? They were focused on the Hereafter, disbelievers. Between them shall be a barrier a family of men of Obama, who shall recognize them all by their markings. And one (Barack Obama) shall call out to the companions of Paradise, “PEACE ON YOU.” They shall not have entered, but shall have the assurance. And his eyes shall turn towards the people to be torched for they cry out, “Lord let us not be cast into fire among the wicked” but the man Obama shall say, “I know you by your looks, but none of your riches or pride of life shall avail you now, for these men have sworn that you may never earn the mercy of Allah.” Then he shall turn to his own BARACK (the blessing) shall say, “Come with me to paradise, for you will have nothing to fear, neither regret.””
"good question"
Think its the latter thats the problem, If it where different the christian would not get half the points
@@iasmirh, an A.I. figures a strength and gives points, then if there is a rebuttal and it seems to cover any major points it gives more points to the rebuttal. Unless a rebuttal was worthless it would always call the rebuttal better.
Truth is never found by two people debating or by an evaluator no matter how how smart any speaker is. One has to evaluate the Holy Bible and the Quran on their own merit and that is how an answer between the two would be figured.
The same would be true for something like Hinduism and Buddhism. What are the original texts and how much sense do they make, what points do they have, and is the logic of the book sound.
Example: if Hinduism has ideas or images that are related to Christianity or Islam that does not strengthen any of the three.
Rather does the Quran have a chance of being more accurate on Jesus for example is one thing worth evaluating? Are more witnesses with various testimony a strength or a weakness?
If you and I both see a dolphin for the very first time in murky water are we likely to agree with each other? Is one of us more or less accurate? Does the fact that both of us witness make it more likely or less? If we agree on things yet disagree on things what does that even mean? Are your eyes better than mine? Do you have a better vocabulary than I? Who had a better vantage point of the circumstances? Who has familiarity with water animals and who doesn't? Furthermore, why had neither of us ever seen a dolphin before? How well can you study the witnesses?
If I told you Muhammed had a specific way of wiping his ass and here was the chain of narration, and then you agree to it, if I then have some new regulations that control your life a lot more than how to wipe your ass and give same chain narration you agreed to why is the new information so quickly forthcoming centuries later on this man?
@@iasmirhNo then the Christians would have double the points.
The great thing about the gospel is that you have Jesus Christ as your representative. And because Jesus is God himself, there's no power in the universe that can stop him from bringing you to heaven.
👏👏👏 Amen to that 🙏🏼
If Jesus is truly God, why does he need to learn from God? In **John 8:28**, Jesus says he speaks only what the Father has taught him. Did he lose his memory and forgot that he's God!? If he is omniscient, why would he need teachings? This challenges the idea that he's God.
@@Yassine3333222222God is Spirit. Jesus came in the flesh ‘from God’ . His fleshly earthly life was temporary to teach us all things. When he went back to the Father the promise of the gospel is that those who call on the Name of Jesus, in prayer, will receive the Holy Spirit from the Father.
And Jesus said WE will come and make our home with you.
So Christ within us is the kingdom come to earth, as it is in heaven.
And he tells us to Ask Anything in his Name. In prayer. So when we pray to Our Father, in Jesus’ name, they both are ONE in Spirit. Inseparable.
@@missflipz You said he came to teach us, but the problem, he himself is learning from God. That's the problem. And there's very important question, Jesus never called himself God or ordered us to call him God. Do we have the right to do so!? From where we got that right!? A flesh from God is the same concept as a prophet from God. Same thing.
@@Yassine3333222222 He his not learning from the Father, he his showing how we should have a relationship with the Father.
When I consider the Muslim claim that a text written by single man 600 years after Jesus, about Jesus, carries more weight than that of the eyewitnesses themselves, it really makes me question the soundness of their belief. I also take issue with the Muslim AI saying that God forgives unilaterally without atonement. Both Christianity and Islam have the patriarch Abraham, who faithully practiced the offering of sacrifices. Atonement was always necessary, even from the beginning after the fall. God's approval of Abel's sacrifice and rejection of Cain's bears witness to that.
İbrahim didn't believe in sacrifices in order to forgiveness, and you don't understand that when God sends a revelation it doesn't matter when because God is all knowing and therefore he can tell anything many years laters, the Bible didn't been written by eyewitness, you should know that most of the writers of the Bible are anonymous according to historians while Muhammed and the people who wrote the verses that had been revealed upon him are not anonymous person,and Quran have authenity while the Bible don't, and the bible is been changed over 3000 times while the Quran after it fully been revealed never been changed after that
@@abdulrahmanhaffar3502please use periods I barley understand what you are saying and despite the fact that the scriptures are anonymous we still know who wrote them through other people.
@@dadiabetic1174no periods would surely render a Muslim illiterate. I was able to read your sentence with incorrect punctuation and spelling. Are you being serious right now? That might be the dumbest response I've read on here.
@@dadiabetic1174 actually, more scholars says that we don't know who they are, that's why they are called "anonymous"
@@dadiabetic1174 I'm saying that the Bible doesn't have any authority, there's over 3000 bible in the world, it's been said that the Bible had been changed thousands of times, and the Bible is written from anonymous humans,the Bible is not the revelation of God but rather the word of humankind,so for all this reasons and more the Bible today isn't the word of God,therefore you can't do a religion based on it, that's what I'm saying
The statement, "The Father is greater than I," also refers to the fact that the Son's existence is predicated in the Father, and not the other way around. Since God is the cause of the Son, He is also looked up to by the Son.
Someone forgot to programme these AI bots with a short-term memory! They keep repeating the same verses over and over again!
Great point. Part of the programming included "I review previous responses and never repeat the same question or answer or scripture."
But one of the AIs (even though both were configured with the identical method) chose to override my programming with what it thought was the best approach to answering the opponent's question.
To be fair, humans and scripture are fans of repetition when it comes to argument construction.
AI lacking sentience and as a simple learning model, learns from the data and instruction given; as such is it no wonder then that it has incorporated a degree of repetition.
@@JonOleksiuk that's normal because sometimes hearing something isn't enough the first time it is heard.
It's like if I said "I'll be arriving with a nice looking lamborghini" and so when I arrive you would be expecting a Lamborghini... BUT if I don't come with a car that looks like a lamborghini then what just happened?? Well it's Word play... nice looking Lamborghini states my car is indeed a lamborghini that looks nice so it's explicit... but a car that looks like a lamborghini really means a car that only "looks like" a lamborhini although plenty people will assume i meant an actual lamborghini if I said that it's only implied by them and not explicit... so sometimes repeating is necessary because when someone hear what you say they either allow it to replay in their head and slightly meditate on the words or lose focus and assume
got it...i think... maybe i'll read that again, lol
@@JonOleksiuk I edited it so it makes a bit more sense.. I typed it when I was about to sleep last time so I seen alot of errors
See how when the muslim ai gets questioned bout the bible literaly verbatim saying “Jesus is God” it just says “oh yeah i forgot, the bible is corrupt” 😂
the bible you have is not even close to what it was. its chanced by govermand for there own intrest. but believe what you wanne believe.
@@QUANTPAPA I will believe what I want to, because the Lord has warned to whom changes the word, their name shall be jotted out of the book of life. The Lord has also created a book with 63,779 cross references with 40 different authors. Hundreds of prophecies in the Old Testament fulfilled by Jesus in the New Testament, and hundreds from the New Testament fulfilled in modern times. The Quran only has 6,236 cross references excluding Bismillah and 6,348 Including Bismillah. No confirmed author and gets science wrong. The Quran claims that sperm is made in the area between the backbone and ribs, which is scientifically incorrect.
@@QUANTPAPAso when the Bible says God's word is eternal, that part is corrupted since we don't the original Torah and Injeel. if Jesus is God, what would be the best way for the devil to make people disbelieve. Oh yes, the Quran.
@@MrURBETTA jesus was send by god not god him self. and govermand and kings chance the bible to there own desire, there still original parts in it but a lot is chanced overtime, jesus him self prayt to god. he put his head on the ground. the jews did not acept jesus, and still wait for him. but both books torah and bible long ago was valid books, if you look back to the native language of jesus ( aramaic ) google : aramaic word for god. when the anti christ come, jews will follow him bc the still wait for jesus and did not accept the real jesus from the bible, and christians will also follow him bc the know jesus will come back. but the anti christ will claim he is jesus and later on jesus will come back to kill the falls mesia, and later on he will even claim to by god. also moslim believe that jesus will come back peace to him, to destroy antichris/ dajjal.
@@MrURBETTA Meanwhile, Jewish and Jehovah's Witnesses exist 👀 enjoy the show 🍿
If this AI Muslim was debating Christian Prince, the Muslim would have zero points. :D
Just no an ai adapts based on the arguments it can very easily provide counter arguments
Christian prince would have zero answers if the Ai provided one alteration in the bible with proof.... Christian prince would not be able to talk after that. Unless he would kick the Muslim Ai of his stream after by calling him names and abdool😂
Lol yep you got that right
@aalileghari6195 even if there is an alteration that doesn't mean anything. The Quran had been changed many times over centuries and the original version had been burned. Just because someone changed around some words that doesn't mean the entire thing is infallible. It means you have to go by more original and accurate texts, not the queen James bible or Mormon bible and whatnot
@@aalileghari6195 The Quran has alterations... are you ill?
i mean something is missing why didn't talk about the validation of there books ?? before there jump too the refernce
no, they wouldn't
The book its like the constitution of the religion. Without it, religion would not be legitimate.
Fascinating! Enjoyed it from beginning to end.
I find this fascinating. Try using the original Hebrew as input to see if the interpretation comes out the same. There is a lot of debate on if what we read in English is the intended translation or if something else was said instead. When the AI emphasizes a specific word, I always wonder if the original was written that way or if it was an interpretation
uploading a new video tomorrow that will debate the reliability of the New Testament, part of the debate will include the models using the original language found in the manuscript... consider subscribing not to miss it :)
Good point. I find English is a lazy language and context is lost a lot in Christian studies because the original Hebrew/Greek isn't considered.
@@JonOleksiukI'm interested in watching your video for your take on translation.
@@JonOleksiuk
@@stephennapier8365 English has no depth. God chose to reveal his true word in Greek. We have the textus receptus the revealed received text. It has no contradictions like the English KJV version which has plenty of mistakes from the Catholic translators. But the KJV comes from the correct text while modern translations do not.
JESUS CHRIST IS THE GREAT I AM,……………. AMEN TO THAT ❤
The problem is that these statements only appear in the Gospel of John, which scholars now recognize as being historically unreliable. The New Testament has 4 Gospels (Mark, Matthew, Luke, and John), and we can only find these “I Am” declarations in the last of the four (John) - which was written latest, contains provable fabrications (e.g. John 7:53-8:11), and contradicts the previous Synoptic gospels which never ONCE quote Jesus as making these “I Am” statements, which would be unthinkable for them to ignore or forget if they actually happened.
The truth is: stories about Jesus grew and developed over time, and his image & status was embellished as the years and decades went on. Mix that in with the highly probably Roman pagan influence from their idolatrous next-door neighbors (whose theology was swamped in ‘sons of God’ and human incarnations), that it’s clear to see what modern Christianity teaches today was not what Jesus himself claimed.
Islam takes us back to the original historical truth, which is that God is one (Mark 12:29), He alone is the source of goodness (which Jesus denied in Mark 10:18), and He alone-even in John’s Gospel-is “The ONLY TRUE GOD” (John 17:3).
I encourage you to read the Qur’an, God’s final revelation to humanity. It clarifies all things, and guides believers to the most upright truth and will of the Creator :) Peace.
@jobayermasud5403 read the Bible.
@jobayermasud5403 Hmm, THE NAME - "YAHWEY🙏 (Holy Above ALL) - I AM : is the same name reviled to Moses. Nefarious mouse-slimes claim to worship the same God, whilst not knowing "not Only" the Name of God of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob but also God's True Nature.
@@saviovaz2903 The fact that you insult Muslims (which simply means ‘one who surrenders their life to God’) shows just which God you truly serve. Also, we believe in the same God of Abraham - and “YHWH” simply means ‘The Eternal & Absolute One’ which is also God’s name & title in the Qur’an (‘As-Samad’; see Sūrah 112). Oh and by the way, nobody actually knows for sure how YHWH (the Tetragrammaton) was pronounced, because it was lost over time since only the high priest ever recited it. So by your own logic, you don’t know the name of God either.
And if that wasn’t bad enough, let’s not forget that the Gospels and New Testament never use the name “Yahwey” for God even ONCE. So, why are you using hypocritical double-standards? I hope you repent.
As Christians do you only resent us because we believe in God, and what was revealed to us, and what was revealed before, and because most of you are rebellious sinners?
@@celestialknight2339womp womp
1. The Quran was written in the year 632 AD. While the oldest New Testament papyri date from approx. a century and a half after the death of Jesus.
2. The Quran is attributed to ONLY ONE person. While the New Testament includes 27 books, whose authors are at least 8 people.
3. For the previous reason, the Quran does not vary much in its versions (as happens with novels). While the Bible has certain discrepancies, which are expected from a historical event narrated from different perspectives.
Now, based on this, which text seems more reliable?
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Quran has been preserved and we have a script of it with 100% identical verses to the ones today. There’s also a clear chain of narration that support the preservation of the Quran. The compilation of the Quran was done by memorizers (like thousands and tens of thousands) which meant that no authoritative figure could ever change it because everyone that memorized it would find out and denounce it.
And so the Quran is proven to be preserved, was compiled by memorizers who lived with the prophet pbuh, and there’s clear chain of narrations (meaning the names of the ones that preserved it) dating all the way back to Muhammad pbuh himself.
The bible earliest scripture was a century after his death, but unlike the Quran there’s no known memorizers of the bible dating from the time of Jesus ra himself. And if there were they didn’t write down the copy or they weren’t able transmit and compile the perfect bible. This means that only after a couple years of a theoretical “true bible” the lack of memorizers and compilers could mean the bible was altered throughout the century to come.
Oldest is one thing, but preserved is something else. Bible have many version, many church Father or Popeye change the context to fulfill his own needs. So Bible this day is already debunk, FYI we Muslim also believe in the Bible that came from Allah to Prophet Jesus PBUH, somehow old testament which was written in Hebrews while new Testament was written in Greek, FYI once again, Jesus spoke Aramaic, not Hebrews nor Greek which your Popeye wrote it down and you believe in denial. Why need Old and New? Where’s the original or can i say the one which supposed to be written in Aramaic, bcs Jesus spoke thru that language.
Read the history of the compilation of the Quran. There are many copies that were burned by Uthman, and there is no evidence of the existence of Uthman’s copy of the Quran. The Quran today is not complete. There are Quranic surahs and verses that are not found in the current Quran. The source of my words are authentic hadiths. Research more about the stage of compiling the Quran. The Quran is not complete. It was distorted by the admission of the companions themselves. Just research honestly. The Quran is fake.
@@nabilxazwanThe Quran we have is not like the Quran that Muhammad brought. Research the history of the compilation of the Quran. The companions deleted entire chapters and verses from the Quran forever. For example, the verses about stoning are not present. I advise you to read the book “Mushafs of Abu Dawud.”
The AI imo could have answered much better than it did by elaborating on psalm 22. Psalm 22 is not about the abandonment rather the call and certainty that god will come and aid him. IMO that makes the argument stronger by explaining that “my god my god, why have you forsaken me” means rather when are you coming and that the time has come to fufill the prophesy. Because after he says it the storm on the cross ends and atonement for humanity has been completed. Psalms 22 even ends on “he has done it”. I recommend everyone read or listen to psalm 22, it is a beautiful chapter.
it is embarrassment of extraordinary proportions for muslim to claim the bible has been changed when their prophet took an oath using the torah
That's just false statements.
You are 100 procent right
Tru story, Jezus is god
And not a profeet
Moslims think Jezus is a Moslims
Did Jezus take the sahada
I dont tink so
I no fore sure
God blesss you 1❤
I no fore sure that Jezus did not Thake the shahada
At that time the qoran was no where to find
The problem is, Muslims don't actually read their own Qu'ran, because they say: "Bible and Torah were corrupted/changed by men." Which is in disagreement with their god "Allah", who says:
1) "Torah and Bible are the word of God" (Qur'an Surah 2:41, 3:3, 5:43-48).
2) "Words of God cannot be corrupted" (Qur'an Surah 6:115, 18:27).
3) Jesus says "I am the Way, The Truth, and The Life, no man can come to the Father except through me" (Bible, John 14:6).
4) If you believe the Qu'ran, you must then believe the Bible - which then cancels the Qu'ran.
A true Muslim is an ex-Muslim.
@@Yeshua_Ha_Mashiacthe fact that you clearly didnt do further research or even look at the tafseer for these basic answers shows your competence. Go on and search up the clear tafseer and answers to your “contridictions”.
Great debate and perspectives. May God bless all his people!
Both Christians and Muslims believe in Jesus (peace be upon him). So where is the problem here? Jesus (peace be upon him) did not say that those who do not accept him as God will go to hell.
Interesting..the scoring system is something that would be extremely difficult to quantify - so the discussion is more interesting and worthwhile listening to than than the scoring.
Amazing work my friend. When is the next AI debate?? I’m hooked! 😅
AMAZING, thanks for the encouraging note. this is a weekend/evenings hobby for me.... i'm trying to get the next one out as soon as i can. Hopefully by end of week, consider subscribing so you don't miss it!
@JonOleksiuk i need a video of how you set this ai up. I would like to add that ai's need to set context and can only use verses once but can use a verse twice if the other ai uses their one use the other could reference it and some other rules
This was uplifting and informative!!❤Thanks!
You are so welcome! Thanks for the comment and support :)
This is great! Looking forward for more AI debates!
Is this the full debate or is this an abridged version?
Not a Muslim nor a Christian just trying to speak objectively here,
everything that I'm going to say is with utmost respect to my fellow
Muslims and fellow Christians.
This debate falls short because the Muslim AI keeps quoting the bible
to disprove Jesus' divinity, which is like trying to extinguish a fire
using gasoline.
That makes it seem like the Muslim AI thinks that both
The Holy Bible and The Holy Quran are both at the same time the word
of God (which cannot be because both contradict each other on the very
point that this debate is based around) while trying to interpret the
bible verses to suit his narrative.
Found it interesting that there is no direct talk of the crucifixion,
resurrection and ascension of Jesus (from both perspectives) which is
a very important point to bring in a debate like this.
Finally, taking a look at the uploader's channel, you can see that
he's clearly Christian and did upload videos preaching Christianity in
the past, so how can we ensure objectivity and fairness here and can
he make sure that his personal beliefs didn't interfere with training
the AIs (even at a subconscious level)?
good points, this weekend i'm hoping to do another video featuring an atheist and theist using 14 different models as judges, asking them to create their own criteria for judging the arguments....we'll see how it goes.
well you clearly don't know a whole lot about Christians. By very nature and virtue to be like Christ is to be honest , unbiased , and loving . a true Christian follows the teachings.. what i say , being a former atheist and Muslim...read the Bible and it will be abundantly clear to you. Dont take my word for it , check yourself smarty pants i bet you are pretty intelligent and will realize how much in our life is lied to us.
@@sheepwolf921 but all people can t be honest some would do anyting to seem right so your point is cercular because i said the wold is not in the woods he is not in the woods kinda logic and u bieng a former muslim allah yahdic akhi
100%
This youtuber fooling the kids but we the mature educated audience knows what he is up to!
@@JonOleksiukI think that is a great idea. Please post it.
Saul became Paul sticking to the Christian Jesus until the end
Thank you so much for this. What a wonderful starting point for conversations about Jesus' divinity.
My heart got filled with happiness by seeing my brothers and sisters in crist have such faith ❤❤
A major shortcoming of this method is the AI does not account for how reliable the text is based on a chain of custody back to the source. As such apocrypha text written by men is treated at the same level of trust as a watertight accurate transmission through well-known sources
The judge AI should be aware of source grading. So it doesn't just assign points just based on words being spoken. But based on whether the evidence cited is reliable as well. AI is better suited to analyze the full body of knowledge... Including what exists in earliest manuscripts and what has been added to later manuscripts
Kinda like your one dimensional comment biased and a trite vision of despair and doubt so views as yours especially look for fault cause you are that.
Another major shortcoming is that this is an LLM. It's just for entertainment purposes, an LLM is not able to do philosophy or theology. But it's entertaining. Granted people do the same in real life, they debate over worthless technical details of the text for entertainment. It doesn't actually matter if Jesus walked on water or not or what exact word Muhammad used. What matters is that you love your neighbors, you forgive, you don't kill, you are honest, you have respect for others, you help the poors, you don't lie and so on. Some people confuse the messenger with the message. The wise man shows the moon and the fool watches his finger. Those who debate the details of the text, whether you should eat pork or not but don't love, kill or don't respect others are fools. The wise people understand the message and what is important in it and they act accordingly. Both books tell the same thing in different terms. Both christians and muslims follow the same god.
*What your imams don't tell you*
Son of God does not mean that God has a child in Christianity!
*this is a mistake in the Qur'an!*
*What your imams don't tell you*
Allah himself testifies that he has a son and he is the son as Christians understand it! Only the Koran writer was too ignorant to know what Son of God means! Allah's word which created everything is Allah himself too! *The Word Allahs which created everything is the Son of God according to Christianity!*
Is it not also very interesting that when the guards came to arrest Him and He asked who they were looking for, He answered “I Am He” and we are told that the guards fell down or stepped back as if in awe and fear, does this not give us a glimpse of Jesus divinity and the fact that He was freely giving Himself as a sacrifice
To all the people laughing that the Muslim AI had to use the Bible instead of the Quran: that is the smartest approach for this topic. The prompt is about proving Jesus isn’t God. The best way to do that is to use the Book about Jesus against that claim.
I may be Christian but this scoring was ABSOLUTELY biased. I read the reasoning - at 13:04 and 21:45, scoring was erroneous
How can it be biased they are AI and they are scripted all the Quran and all the Bible verses they know all the verses?
I thought the Christian AI didn't use the Koran because the Bible was written first. & the Koran is just a Bible denomination.
Completely agree
@@BRANDT409
Go believe in a book we found it in a cave we don't know who is the writer of it and it's written 400years after Jesus
While Quran is directly from God to the holy spirit to the prophet
Till now We read it as the prophet Muhammad read it exactly
we can't change a single vowel from it
Do you deny that the Bible was written before the Koran?
AI does not debate, it merely presents parallel information. In a debate, you make arguments in reaction to discredit or better prove your point.
Next debate Muslim AI Vs ex-muslim AI.
As an atheist I think it would be cool to have an Atheist vs Christian or even an Atheist vs Muslim AI debate like this.
working on a theist v atheist debate... hopefully uploading later this week.
There could never be atheist AI because they are intelligent and full of information which is exactly why atheist lack of 🤣🤣
Thats actually an interesting idea i want to see a hindu ai vs a christin or athiest ai
The Muslim AIs clearly don’t understand the trinity.
@@brenthume5445right.
Christianity is clearly the true religion each question asked was about Jesus. Even A.I. must confess lol…..
Everyone claims their religion is the true religion
@@t_m-z5g your right but Jesus is the only God mentioned in every other religion. The Bible mentions no other religion or give respect to any other god but Jesus.
@@jodythesaint their are thousands of religions. Jesus is not mentioned in all of them
Yeshua was a Jew, not Christian. His disciples were all Jews, not Christians.
The concept of trinity came from Hellenism in the Judaism, and imported to the Christianity.
@@jodythesaint
1.Rishion Al Corinth (First Corinthians) 15:27-28
שֶׁכֵּן הָאֱלֹהִים הִכְנִיעַ הַכֺּל תַּחַת רַגְלָיו. וּבְאָמְרוֹ שֶׁהַהַל הֻנַע תַּחְתָּיו, בָּרוּר ִּי הַמַּמַּיank ת ת ַּחְתָּיו, אָז 1 גַּם הַבֵּן עַצְמוֹ יִהְיֶה ָּפוּף לְמִי שֶׁשָּׁת ַּחְתָּיו אֶת הַֺּל, לְמַעַן יִהְיֶה הָאֱלֹהִים
For Elohim has subdued everything beneath his feet. And when he [Yeshua] says that all things are subdued under him, obviously it is because the one who subdued everything under him is not in this rule. And as everything is subdued by him, so the Son himself will be subordinate to the one who is subduing everything beneath him, so that Elohim may be all, and in all.
2. Ya'akov (James) 1:13
מִי שֶׁמִּתְנַסֶּה אַל יֺאמַר, "אֱלֹהִים מְנַסֶּה אוֹתִי", שֶׁכֵּן ֱלֹהִים לֹא יְנֻסֶּה בָּרַע וְאֵין הוּא מְנַסֶּה אִישׁ
Whoever is tempted will not say "Elohim tempted me", for Elohim is not tempted by evil and there is no man who tempts him.
In other words, Satan would not tempt Yeshua if he were the Eternal (blessed He is).
3. Let's nullify the Christians' argument about "Me and the Father are one", due to the lack of reading:
a) "Father and I are one"
Yochanan (John) 17:22-23
וַאֲנִי נָתַתִּי לָהֶם אֶת־הַכָּבוֹד אֲשֶׁר נָתַתָּ לִּי לְמַעַן יִהְיוּ אֶחָד כַּאֲשֶׁר אֲנַחְנוּ אֶחָד אֲנִי בָהֶם וְאַתָּה בִי ל ְמַעַן יִהְיוּ מֻשְׁלָמִים לְאֶחָד וּלְמַעַן יֵדַע הָעוֹלָם כִּי ַתָּה שְׁלַחְתָּנִי וְאָהַבְתָּ אֹתָם כַּאֲשֶׁר אֲהַבְתָּנִי׃
And I gave them the glory that you gave me so that they may be ONE just as WE ARE ONE. I am in them, and you in me, that they may be perfect for one another, and that the world may know that you sent me and loved them, just as you loved me.
Reflection: If he prayed to the Father so that his disciples would be One with him, just as he is one with the Eternal, do we then have 15 gods? Obviously not.
b) Yochanan (John) 10:30
My father and I are one.
Again, the inhabitants of Y'hudah gathered stones to stone him. Yeshua answered them: "You have seen me do many good works that portray the power of the Father: For which of them do you want to stone me?" "We will not stone you for any good work, but for blasphemy, because you, a simple man, present yourself as Elohim." Yeshua answered them: "Isn't it written in your Torah: "You are Elohim"?((quoted Tehillim/Psalm 82:6).
If he called Elohim to whom the word of Elohim came (And the Tanakh cannot be annulled), then you are saying to whom the Father separated and sent into the world: "You are committing blasphemy", just because you said: "I am a son of Elohim"?
וַאֲנִי וְהָאָב אֶחָד
וַיּוֺסִיפוּ הַיְּהוּדִים וַיִּשְׂאוּ אֲבָנִים לְסָקְלוֺ:
וַיַּעַן אֹתָם יֵשׁוּעַ הֵן מַעֲשִׂים רַבִּים טוֺבִים הֶרְאֵיתִי לָכֶם מֵאֵת הָאָב עַל-אֵי-זֶה מִן-הַמַּעֲשִׂים הָאֵלֶּה תִּסְקְלֻנ ִי
וַיַּעֲנוּ אֹתוֺ הַיְּהוּדִים לֵאמֹר עַל-מַעֲשֶׂה טוֺב לֹא נִסְקְ לֶךׇ כִּי אִם-עַל-חִלּוּל הַשֵּׁם בַּאֲשֶׁר כִּי אָדָם אַתָּה וְהִנ ְּךׇ אֹמֵר לְנַפְשְׁךׇ אֱלֹהִים אָתָּה
וַיַּעַן אֹתָם יֵשׁוּעַ הֲלֹא כָתוּב בְּתוֺרַתְכֶם אֲנִי אָמַרְת ִּי אֱלֹהִים אַתֶּם:
וְעַתָּה אִם-אֲנָשִׁים נִקְרְאוּ אֱלֹהִים אֲשֶׁר תּוֺרַת הָאֱלֹה ִים אִתָּם וּדְבַר הַכָּתוּב אֵין לְהָשִׁיב:
אֵיךְ תֹּאמְרוּן עַל-זֶה אֲשֶׁר קִדְּשׁוֺ הָאָב וַיִּשְׁלָחֵהוּ ב ָאָרֶץ מְגַדֵּף אָתָּד
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If He is the Father, He would never say "I am the son", but "I am also the Father".
Now let's turn this interesting:
4. Yochanan (John) 1:1-2
בְּרֵאשִׁית הָיָה הַדָּבָר, וְהַדָּבָר הָיָה עִם הָאֱלֹהִים, וְהַ דָּבָר הָיָה אֱלֹהִים. הוּא הָיָה בְּרֵאשִׁית עִם הָאֱלֹהִים
In the beginning was the word, and the word was with Elohim, and the word was Elohim (excellent). He was in the beginning with Elohim.
Why does Yochanan repeat something he had already said in the first verse? He wants to establish a doctrine, that the Eternal is ONE as the scriptures preach, since the use of the term Elohim could cause doubts and a possible distortion, as we see exactly today.
Mishlei/Proverbs 8:22, 23 and 30
יְהֹוָה קָנָנִי רֵאשִׁית דַּרְכּוֹ קֶדֶם מִפְעָלָיו מֵאָז מֵעוֹל ָם נִסַּכְתִּי מֵרֹאשׁ מִקַּדְמֵי־אָרֶץ (..) וָאֶהְיֶה אֶצְלוֹ אָמוֹ ן וָאֶהְיֶה שַׁעֲשׁוּעִים יוֹם יוֹם מְשַׂחֶקֶת לְפָנָיו בְּך ת
22 The Eternal created me at the beginning of his course, as the front of his ancient works. In ancient times I was molded [anointed] from the head, at the origin of the earth. And I was at his side like an architect, in delight day after day, rejoicing before him at all times.
Yeshua was with the Father creating us, but He is not the Father himself.
bro something i saw in this, is that the muslim ai is using many atheist arguments, but citing quran "versicles" (im not sure if it is the right word, im brazillian)
Its very interesting how by the end of the 1st discussion, the muslim ai was essentially the same question again and again, why would God need a sacrifice. The Christian AI says its because of Sin and Death, making the conversion abit cyclical.
"Who ever does a wrong or wrongs himself but then seeks forgiveness of Allah will find Allah forgiving and merciful" . . . This is a very stong words . . . People do wrong then ask for forgiveness
Jesus forgives, the Christian god forgives, alot more peace and love in the bible by a long shot. No your Allah is a deciever.
Watch your mouth, if you really understand your bible, the Father mentioned also name Allah. You just insult your God@@michaelcorke7302
Asking for forgiveness is translation of "توبة" which means in arabic that you regret your action and then have the true intention to not repeat that again!
Don't only rely on translation because they can be misleading when you translate 1 to 1
@@michaelcorke7302 who told you i'm muslim m Christian
@@dksangrmarak3208 Allah is the demon Muslims worship, don't call the one true God of Christianity Allah it's yhwh not the name of the pagan arabs moon god Allah.
The answer to the muslim AI question about why God who is all powerfull can not just forgive sins without the sacrifice of Jesus, is because he hates sin more than we do and more than we can imagine, and this sacrifice shows his justice.
the fact that god hates sin more than he loves people to the point he is willing to torture them in hell, and that he desires his glorification more than he loves people to the point he's willing for them to exist just so they can contribute to his self-glorification despite knowing that he will destroy and torture them in the worst way possible as a result says a lot about who god is.
@@bamboo1763
The eternity in hell like a conscious experience is an ambiguous belief.
In the Bible death is also said to be thrown in the lake of fire with hell, death is not a person. There are also some passages that speak about forever hyperboly like jude that sodom and gomorah mentions sodom and gomorah that sufferd an eternal fire. And some time the term forever can be interpreted as the consequences are eternal; like anihilation is an eternal punishment.
So, you were ranting with all confidence and judging as if you are a god against something that is not even certain and is just the interpretation of some part of christdendom.
@@dodleymortune4312
Even if hell is not a eternal torture but the instantaneous and complete destruction of sinners, does it make it any better given that the severity of the destruction is compared to a everlasting torment?
Does it make god look better if he created humans just to destroy them completely to glorify himself instead of torturing them forever?
@@bamboo1763 That's not the point. Sin turned Eden into this world. Likewise, sin will turn Paradise to come into something worse than this world if sin is permitted to increase. Who wants that, really? So, that's why God extended hell to unrepentant sinners. The new heaven and earth to come must be better than the old and the present, or God is neither just nor merciful. Yet He is both just and merciful, and that is why I believe what I believe. Please consider believing the same.
@@Christian_Kenny
if it really is that bad, why even allow sin to enter into this world by allowing Adam and Eve to reproduce?
if he is just, why even punish all of humanity for the sins of Adam and Eve, and why deem obedience as the only measurement of righteousness?
if he is merciful, why withhold hid forgiveness to those that do not obey him?
this is so cool
i have a question for you how can i do the same thing that u did?
i like to do it for other debaits and if the other ai loses he has to confess that the other side is right and has to tell why
i think for the upcoming election we should take both ai and talk about topics around kamala and trump and decide with one is better candidate
plz read this message ty
Very well done setting this up, much appreciated
thank you.
@@JonOleksiukA debate where they debate Mohammed's "moral understanding". 😂😂😂
Considering that the Qur'an is mostly based on Judeo-Christian sources, and a syncretism thereof, which affirms Jesus's virgin birth and status of Messiah, as being a prophet and Word of God, of having healed and performed miracles, was taken up to be with God, and will return to judge the world (but _apparently_ denying his death by crucifixion and being the Son of God), it should be no surprise that the Christian AI should have the small advantage over the Muslim AI.
If the Christian AI used the Quran it would have easily been an 100 point lead for Christian AI. The Quran makes statements that are contradictory and a historical like the death of Jesus. The Quran also states Allahs word cannot be altered destroying the “courruption” of the bible and Torah false. As I said the Muslim AI unironically had the best advantage it could have been given….
@@makeytgreatagain6256 I agree 100%.
The Muslim AI could also pick faults with the Old and New Testaments; especially as it seems to me that it was fully aware of the Dawah script.
Like you, I was continually picking fault with the Muslim AI, which seemed to give very surface-level answers.
@@gavinjames1145 Yes i agree with you but the "Faults" within the Old testement also apply to the Quran so those arguments get destroyed infact the OT actually confirms the NT concept of the Trinity. The only negative things Muslims could say about the OT is some of the less PG 12 rated events like the genoices and wars/punishments for the Moasaic law. But christians dont follow Moasaic law which is why i dont know why muslim use these examples as it doesnt invalidate our faith i guess they use it to justiy Islams barbaric doctrines i suppose lol.
I debate muslims a lot myself but im ceartain if they allowed the AI to grab from the Quran and OT then im sure the difference would be a score of at least 100 in favour of christianity tbh
How Christians bet their souls on an unpreserved book with unknown authors and interpolated text even their highest scholars admit to is beyond amazingly arrogant pride. If that same standard was used as evidence against any of them in the court of law for any criminal prosecution, they would cry the court system is unjust and corrupt LMAO. The irony is the hereafter is a bigger prison than they would face here on earth lol.
Here are names of Gods throughout history that are said to have died and resurrected.
OSIRIS
An Egyptian, Ethiopian, Sudanese God. He was said to have been crucified, he died and resurrected 5,000 YEARS before Jesus.
HORUS
An Egyptian, Ethiopian, Sudanese God. He was said to have been crucified, he died and resurrected 3,000 YEARS before Jesus.
BUDDHA
An Indian God. He was said to have been crucified, he died and resurrected 600 YEARS before Jesus.
KRISHNA
An Indian God. He was said to have been crucified, he died and resurrected 900 YEARS before Jesus..
ZARATHUSTRA
An Iranian God. He was said to have been crucified, he died and resurrected 1,000 YEARS before Jesus.
HERCULES
A Greek God. He was said to have been crucified, he died and resurrected 800 YEARS before Jesus.
MITHRA
An Iranian God. He was said to have been crucified, he died and resurrected 600 YEARS before Jesus.
DIONYSUS
A Greek God. He was said to have been crucified, he died and resurrected 500 YEARS before Jesus..
THAMMUZ
A Babylonian God. He was said to have been crucified, he died and resurrected 2,000 YEARS before Jesus.
HERMES
A Greek God. He was said to have been crucified, he died and resurrected 200 YEARS before Jesus.
ADONIS
A Phoenician God. He was said to have been crucified, he died and resurrected 200 YEARS before Jesus.
JESUS CHRIST
A Roman God. He was said to have been crucified, he died and resurrected 1-30 AD.
lol, the Lord of the universe won by a mere 18 points. This from an AI that simply accepts authority of the scriptures of two world religions, seemingly without question.
oh my gosh, in youtube comments it shows that you've been subscribed to my channel for 10 years.
Thanks for coming back for this video (the idea is a work in progress) and commenting.
peaople always call him "god of heaven and earth" notice they always leave out hell, in which 99% human population resides :(. yea god is "love" and nothing but "love"......
@@NightmareRex6 What gives the idea that most humans are in a bad place? It is rather disturbing to think most humans would go to a place of suffering for eternity, but the purgatory and grace ideas sound hopeful.
@@NightmareRex6 Hell is the absence of God
@@ZombieChicken-X Hell is the absence of God, yet somehow, we exist? Existence itself is something God constructed, thus Hell itself should be non-existence.
I would like to see them debate the subject of the reliability of the Quran versus the Bible
That sounds so interesting
Not much of a debate there. Nobody ever went around burning or drowning bibles in an attempt to "standardize" it. Christianity as a general rule holds every ancient copy of the Bible in high regards and has no fear of ancient texts nor need to re write modern texts that are at best an accurate translation and at worst translated in such a way as to attempt to clarify meaning. The thing is many Christians will use parallel Bibles that contain multiple translations for every verse in order to garner understanding. Muslims would never accept a parallel Quran with multiple variants because they believe it is the direct divine word of Allah and has been the same since before creation vs the Christian belief that the Bible is the inspired living word of God written by man.
this would be great
well one absolutely contradicts itself constantly and the other does not
Allah means God in Arabic.
In the God cited 25 among the thousands.
The 25 prophets cited are:
Adam (Adam)
Idriss (Enoch)
Nouh (Noah)
Houd
Salih
Ibrahim (Abraham)
Ismâ’îl (Sam)
Is-hâq (Isaac)
Ya’qoub (Jacob)
Lut (Lot)
Youssuf (Joseph)
Ayyoub (Job)
Chu’ayb
Moussa (Moses)
Haroun (Aaron)
Dhou-Lkifl
Dawoud (David)
Sulayman (Solomon)
Ilyas (Elijah)
Alyassa’ (Elisha)
Younus (Jonas)
Zakariyyae (Zacharia)
Yahya (John)
‘Issa (Jesus)
Muhammad ﷺ
Each messenger had a specific mission from God. For example: Abraham, Noah, Jonah, Jesus and Muhammad are all messengers but are not necessarily in the same geographical location. Each Prophet, with the realities of the people of his time.
I know that some will tell me that Jesus is a God. I refer you to the Bible.
John 5 30:
I can do nothing of myself: as I hear, I judge; and my judgment is right, because I seek not my own will, but the will of him who sent me.
John 15, 26
And Jesus said, "When the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who is from the Father, he will testify of me;"
In the Quran Surah 19
we
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Mentions, in the Book (the Quran), Maryam (Mary), when she withdrew from her family to a place towards the East.
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She put a veil between herself and them. We sent her Our Spirit (Jibril [Gabriel]), who presented himself to her in the form of a perfect man.
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She said: “I take refuge from you with the Most Merciful. If you are pious, [do not approach me]. »
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He said: “I am indeed a Messenger of your Lord to give you the gift of a pure son. »
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She said: “How can I have a son, when no man has touched me, and I am not a prostitute? »
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He said, “So shall it be!” This is easy for Me, says your Lord! And We will make him a sign to the people, and a mercy from Us. It's a matter already decided. »
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So she became pregnant [with the child], and she withdrew with him to a distant place.
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Then the pains of childbirth brought her to the trunk of the palm tree, and she said: “Woe is me! That I had died before this moment! And that I was totally forgotten! »
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Then he called to her from beneath her, saying, “Do not be distressed. Your Lord has placed a spring at your feet.
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Shake the trunk of the palm tree towards you: it will make fresh and ripe dates fall on you.
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So eat and drink and let your eyes rejoice! If you see anyone from among humans, say [to him:]: “Assuredly, I have vowed a fast to the Most Merciful: therefore I will not speak today to any human being. »
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Then she came to her people carrying him [the baby]. They said: “O Maryam (Mary), you have done a monstrous thing!
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“Sister of Hârûn, your father was not an evil man and your mother was not a prostitute. »
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She then gestured towards him [the baby]. They said, “How should we speak to a baby in the cradle? »
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But (the baby) said: “I am truly the servant of Allah. He gave me the Book and appointed me Prophet.
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Wherever I am, He has made me blessed; and He recommended to me, as long as I live, prayer and Zakat;
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and kindness to my mother. He didn't make me violent or unhappy.
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And peace be upon me on the day I was born, and on the day I die, and on the day I am raised alive. »
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Such is 'Isa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary): word of truth, of which they doubt.
Wow! That was incredible! I didn't not expect to find much when I clicked on this video. I only clicked out of curiosity,. I love the format, I love the way the questions were answered directly, and with scripture as opposed to all of the ridiculous back and forth that you usually get in these debates. There is no condensation, no reduction to name calling or accusations. I can't believe it but I loved this!
@HelovesU-we4qh thanks for the note. i had a similar reaction as i watched it play out in real time.
the muslim AI actually did have some better arguments than typical Muslims do on youtube videos, so I'll give them credit for that. However, they used bible verses to disprove the divinity of Jesus which were logically inconsistent with other verses in the bible.. It's not possible to affirm bible verses and at the same time deny others.
@JonOleksiuk very interesting experiment though! kudos to you for doing this, I'm sure it can be tweaked to get much more advanced and nuanced debates from the AI.
the muslim AI was however using taqqiya when it came to the Bible's preservation and what the qu'aran says about it.
A video on his you did this would be awesome. Especially between different theologians
Which Quran was used for this? The 1924 Cairo edition? Or one of the 26 other versions with core doctrinal differences?
He used offline AI model whose data we can add and change according to our own perspective. which is definitely not objective. You can also make it in the LM studio application.
The name YHWH is the answer; In ancient hebrew, Each letter had a meaning. YHWH when read from left to right says "Behold Nail, Behold Hand"
God told Abraham that he would be pierced by a Nail through the Hand. Period - This trumps any debate. Jesus is God.
Well, you started off right and strong with YHWH (YaHaWaH). Behold the hand and behold the nail.
Now, how you go and say something like Jesus is God.
It's a good idea to know the Son's name too. It's Yahawashi not Jesus.
@@deborahsmith5285 *It's Yahawashi not Jesus.*
Correction!: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_(name)
So basically what you're saying is "my book says jesus is god so even though your book doesnt, my book is the real book" (you dont have any proof for this btw) "and so jesus IS real. AMEN!!!!"