I Can't Prove God Exists, But Can You Prove Fish Exist? | Talk Heathen: Throwback
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A fish won't send you to hell for the petty crime of not believing in it.
The great aquarium in the sky
You haven't met fish jebus yet....if you aren't a good fish you will end up on a hook. 😂😂😂
And they are real😂
I like the placebo comparison. We know the placebo itself is not doing anything, just like God isn't doing anything. All it's missing is the part where believing in God makes things happen.
The callers faith would be more akin to sitting on the river bank with no rod or line and praying a fish will jump out of the water into your lap becausd you read a book claiming thats what will happen.
With no tangible evidence at all, that fish are real, or that they exist in this specific body of water, or that they can indeed jump into your lap.
"Can you prove to me fish exist" just derailed this entire conversation.
Another analogy - going fishing, catching nothing but you can't go home because you need to wait until you have enough 'faith' to catch a fish. 🙂
Fishing is based on patience not on faith
I've seen and even held a fish. I've never seen nor held a god.
@@nightwalkerj puny god! Hulks best MCU line
This is when an apologist thinks he has clever expertly fined tuned analogies for the existence of his god. But in actuality its the exact opposite, and painfully so at that lol
I cast out my line, week after week, year after year, at a variety of different fishing spots, but never caught a single fish! Eventually, I stopped going fishing & stopped calling myself a fish-ist.
Which is why I’m now an a-fish-ist.
Trout to the face!😂😂😂
A fishing analogy? Oh, I have one too!!!
You go fishing in the pond. You didn't catch anything. But it was not because there are no fish in this pond - you failed to catch anything because you didn't believed the fish are there hard enough.
People don't fish by putting rocks in a bucket and throwing it in a lake because we have studied fish in the past, learned what they are attracted to and what they eat. That is why we have fishing poles and lures and bait because repeated attempts and study have shown this is the most reliable way for an occasional fisher to legally catch fish. We have no such reliable methods to talk to a god because we have never seen one. I can guarantee that if you throw the bucket with the rocks into the water you will not catch a fish, even if you pray constantly while doing this
That's why I never catch anything!
So Michael is just dishonest, at least to himself. There's no way he doesn't understand that "you can't be entirely certain you'll catch a fish" is even remotely comparable to believing in a god without any kind of evidence.
There's No Such Thing As A Fish is a great podcast
If you are a good fisherman they allways bite in the proper setting.
The god fishing net is called a shitter bowl😮
Hey Mikey…he likes it! 😊
Fishing would be more equivalent to faith if I kept fishing, even though nobody around had ever caught a fish or even seen a fish, because an old book claimed that you will catch a fish if you follow the magical fishing ritual to make the fish happy.
Belief in a personal god can give someone confidence which can lead to positive results. For instance, an addict who believes a god is helping them stay sober may find staying sober easier. This in no way demonstrates that the god actually exists. It is also possible to utilize the power of positive thinking without a god belief.
03:32 I'm very familiar with the Placebo Effect, it's the sole cause of my Pure Morning
Heads up to the channel admins that the current top comment is a scam.
Ask them once do they think that after life is nicer than earth.and all the fun we have and see and enjoy here etc weather we are believers or not.
Off topic - I've a question - does any theist argue that there's no such thing as bad or evil because everything works according to their loving god's will? That'd mean all sorts of pleasures & pains are part of the god's plan which is intrinsically, objectively good. I welcome responses.
I have caught hundreds, if not thousands of fish all over the world but not once in my 72 years have I seen a 'god' no one has even come close to proving it exists.
Is it moral to yank these poor creatures out of the water? Don’t you have any qualms as to the consequences of your sport for the poor fishes? 😢
@@jcrosby4804 It is in that vile immoral book, the wholly fable that the creatures are for us to take and consume, so you should question that.
To be fair, I'm not sure he's advocating the Law Of Attraction as such (i.e. the nonsense about Source Energy and manifesting outcomes, etc.). I think he's talking about positive thinking.....visualising an outcome, etc. The sort of thing sports people do just before an important event to get themselves "into the zone", so to speak.
Fishing is also based on water temp, ph, and time of year. Not faith.
How would you know it’s a perfect location without background knowledge that fish are there and regularly bit.
There’s no faith needed to come to a logical conclusion that you will likely catch a fish.
There’s 1000s of years on studies of the best methods to catch fish , through trial and error.
It’s not a faith based belief.
Fish aren't real.
What do you mean by "Fish"...
Is there even a consistent definition...
There's no such thing as a 'fish'.
No... honestly. Look it up.
What is going on in the comments? WTH?
If you ask Forrest Valkai he'll say fish don't exist.
Isn't he a biologist?
It's a classification thing.
"Fish" is not a valid term due to how species are classified.
Fish is a culinary term and description of where stuff lives, or,
Everything with a spinal chord is a fish. That's what he'll actually say, but "there's no such thing as a fish / most animals are fish" is fine in informal conversation
"The fish never had a bad day in their lives!"
@@Braindnc1 Until some selfish person with a rod yanks it out of the water for no reason at all other than sport.
I’m so good at cold calls. I did cold calls on oilfield rig locations and pumpers and company men at 18. 18 year old girl. I rocked!!! Bring cute didn’t hurt, but I’m just one of those people that makes friend everywhere I go. Not something everyone can do. My husband and I built a very large trucking company and I’m not sure he’s met half of our customers. Not his part!!! I’m the visitor, he’s the worker bee. Haha.
Retiring this year because of all the red hat weirdos that work for us. Some of these guys have been with us for 15 years or more. 3 went to the capital. We’re shutting it down. Getting too old for crazy!!!! Heartbreaking.
You are a fish.
Repent of your sins. Believe in Jesus for salvation and be born again, becoming a new person in this life. Luke 24:47, 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, 2 Corinthians 5:17 KJV
Can I ask a genuine question not to make fun of you, do you have all these channels on notifications just to make sure you can comment your fairy tales right away?
Same book which endorses slavery, genocide, and revenge killings of children? Silly azz...
Why should I care what a book that says donkeys can talk has in it?
"Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life" Leviticus 25: 22-26
Your book is immoral trash.
Stop killing each other, man. Let's just smoke a blunt --Tupac, Reality 1:1