Would've been nice to hear the rails in direct comparison to their normal counterparts with the same rig, even if it's a different guitar. We all know the impulse response is doing the heavy lifting of those nice trebles lol
If they’re the same pickup, they’re gonna do the same thing. And with the amount of gain and everything else he piles on, you’re not gonna hear a difference anyway, even if he uses a completely different brand of humbucker.
For the reasons you mentioned is why I installed the Bill and Becky Lawrence OBL 500xl pickup in my 1996 Hamer Californian. Railed pickups are one of my favorite!
I have a pair JB and Jazz pickups in my guitar. Really works out for me. Now I piqued to see what's better with those rails. Looks like I need another pair of JB and Jazz ... in the rail version.!
Well, now....this is just what I was looking for!😊 After having placed a Hot Rails in my Strandberg Salen, i was beginning to wonder if Seymour Duncan could make/offer/sell a full-size humbucker version.
Oooh I have the JB/Jazz set on a 2005 guitar of mine, I love this one already (the neck tone for leads is so good), so even clearer ?! Your mix sounds HEAVY af ! And that guitar is looking gooooooooooood
Love the JB! I'm thinking of upgrading a guitar's pickups and a JB was going to go in the bridge, but I just might have to try the Rail version thanks to this video. Appreciate the demo.
You could respond politely and informatively to clarify the mix-up. For example: "Hi [Name], it looks like there might be a small mix-up. Seymour Duncan and Fishman are actually different brands. If you're a Seymour Duncan artist, the pickup in the link should ideally be from Seymour Duncan. Could you check that and update the information if needed? Thanks!"
@@mattdylan664 Im not an expert. So the room for error and comedy is great. However it would be nice to be knowledgeable on the idea that fluence fishman's have a line level digital component to them that doesn't compete quite well with the analog of the pickup system. I know that Seymour duncans are completely analog. Sorry for being generic.
@@Hojo-g9iyou are completely wrong. Theres nothing digital in a fishman. Its layers of circuit board instead of windings. But thats still 100% analog dude. Even the built in active preamps are analog. Theres no such thing as a digital pickup….well maybe those synth pickups roland makes. But fluences are active. And sound different, they are not digital
I like Seymour Duncan pickups. I have four of them in two guitars. Duncan Distortion, Duncan Distortion Neck, JB, and P-Rail. They all do what I was going for, and more. Always like to see what else they come up with. I don’t have any plans for a pickup swap, but if they made pickups that fit in a Gibson EB (or a copy) I would look into those.
@@sirspongadoodle hmm, that’s funny, because the guitars sounded very different after the new pickups were installed, especially the one with the cheaper pickups. Maybe it’s a semantic thing?
I have the old JB in the bridge position of my Ibanez RS and it sounds good, but this new version on the JB sounds great. Maybe I change the pickups and I put the new JB in the bridge position and a Back Winter in the neck position....
a jb rail sounds freakin amazing! i always thought the distortion was a better overall pickup for metal but i liked the clarity and sound of the jb, just wish it had more output. BOOM!! JB RAIL!!
Curious... JB Rail is listed as AlNiCo 8 on the Seymour Duncan website and has more DCR and more output than the "standard" model (which is AlNiCo V). I don't know a ton about rail construction. Is there no traditional magnet in the humbucker itself?
I like that Schecter, is that a Solo or Hellraiser? These pickups remind me of the ones they would sell to fit in a single coil slot for tele or strat. I noted too the pictures with lines on them all over the room, must be sound reflection control of some kind, kind of like the "sound chamber" ones you see.
Seymour dimebucker was my go to for years... have since discovered bare knuckle, mojo & sunbear pickups. These still sound the nuts though!!! But that could be the player being awesome :)
I want an Alnico 2 JB… so… the opposite of this 😂😂. I have a few JBs kicking around and do love them though so will likely nab one of these - love the idea from SD!
@@sirspongadoodle brother, each pickup model has a different EQ curve, output level etc. thus altering the tone of the signal before it enters the amp/rig. Get off glen fricker's pole if that's where you are being fed the "pickups don't alter tone" bs
Always cool to hear a Duncan novelty but individual slotted and threaded poles allow to tweak the output for each string. I wouldn't want to bypass that ability to balance the tone.
I am not sure how the hell you guys fit those in those pick up rings?I just wasted my money on these pickups and tried them with six different pick up rings and they will not fit inside any of them.
Sounds the same as every other pickup demo he does. When are people gonna realize the pickups don’t affect tone, especially with the kind of music he plays?
@@madmikemikeso you would 10$ pickup? That doesnt even make grammatical sense, but yes i would matter of fact i played a gig with a 150$ guitar and was told by many people there that i sounded better to there ears then the band with 1000+$ guitars
Well, I was already looking to buy the Hot Rodded Humbucker set, but hearing the new rail version in this video may have just sold me on getting these instead. I feel like you should have mentioned that they are now using alnico 8 magnets instead of alnico 5. That's where the noticeable tone difference comes from.
@@MickH60 I've seen other's tests, I've done my own tests. From what I know, pickups don't make that much of a difference. He is making pretty bold claims here, and I just ask for the proof so that he does not mislead the consumer. The samples in this video exist in a vacuum. We're hearing his signal chain, not the guitar or pickups. If he were to play a different guitar or pickup set through the same signal chain for a comparison, then we'd be able to test the validity of his claims. Until then, one could assume that he is lying to the consumer in an effort to sell a product.
Sounds killer, but was never a big fan of the look of the rails. I also had an Alternative 8 in a ‘91 custom years ago and though it was louder, it was also super midrange heavy (wrong mids for me)…..I went back to a Gibson 498T….
Pretty sure Bill Lawrence patented this design in 1982. It’s bad enough he already got taken for a ride by “Bill Lawrence Pickups” but for Duncan to jump on this band wagon I’m surprised. I suggest anyone interested check out Wilde Pickups L500 over these.
The main point of rail magnets is so that your signal doesn’t choke out from bending a string outside the magnetic field of a pole piece. Output has nothing to do with it. If you’re only doing subtle vibrato or gentle bends, standard pole pieces are fine, but if you’re practically yanking your strings off the fretboard, rail magnets are the way to go. Side note: I’ve tried three different audio playback devices and don’t notice any difference in tone from his other pickup demos. But man’s gotta earn a paycheck, I guess 🤷🏻♂️
I appreciate that fact that rail pickups are one spacing. No more TB/SH
Watching everything on 2x is so much better than original speed it turns rock demos into grindcore/thrash demos 😂
When did Fluff’s right hand game turn into Hetfield? 😂😂😂
Lol you are correct❤
hahaha
Would've been nice to hear the rails in direct comparison to their normal counterparts with the same rig, even if it's a different guitar. We all know the impulse response is doing the heavy lifting of those nice trebles lol
If they’re the same pickup, they’re gonna do the same thing. And with the amount of gain and everything else he piles on, you’re not gonna hear a difference anyway, even if he uses a completely different brand of humbucker.
I play a Duncan Wes Hauch Jupiter rail, in my Strat of all things, and its a beast, I love it.
For the reasons you mentioned is why I installed the Bill and Becky Lawrence OBL 500xl pickup in my 1996 Hamer Californian. Railed pickups are one of my favorite!
I put the same pickup in my Laguna and it screams! Awesome pickup.
I have a pair JB and Jazz pickups in my guitar. Really works out for me. Now I piqued to see what's better with those rails.
Looks like I need another pair of JB and Jazz ... in the rail version.!
That full mix demo is definitely the best mix I have heard you do!!
Well, now....this is just what I was looking for!😊 After having placed a Hot Rails in my Strandberg Salen, i was beginning to wonder if Seymour Duncan could make/offer/sell a full-size humbucker version.
Oooh I have the JB/Jazz set on a 2005 guitar of mine, I love this one already (the neck tone for leads is so good), so even clearer ?!
Your mix sounds HEAVY af ! And that guitar is looking gooooooooooood
I love the Dimarzio X2N for similar reasons.
God that Schecter looks cleeeeean
Clean enough to eat off of.
Love the JB! I'm thinking of upgrading a guitar's pickups and a JB was going to go in the bridge, but I just might have to try the Rail version thanks to this video. Appreciate the demo.
That sound of the guitar in the mix was the best that you've had on this chanel for years
It’s the same one he’s had for years 🥱
@@damienalvarez2957 Before with Fishmans it used to be too quacky
Awesome. No more having to worry bout trembucker and f-spacing.
We need Mike Stamper to do comparisons of the original vs rail versions
"I am a Seymour Duncan Artist" - has a link to "My Signature Fishman Pickup" in the description 😂
You could respond politely and informatively to clarify the mix-up. For example:
"Hi [Name], it looks like there might be a small mix-up. Seymour Duncan and Fishman are actually different brands. If you're a Seymour Duncan artist, the pickup in the link should ideally be from Seymour Duncan. Could you check that and update the information if needed? Thanks!"
@@Hojo-g9i how would that be funny?
@@mattdylan664 Im not an expert. So the room for error and comedy is great. However it would be nice to be knowledgeable on the idea that fluence fishman's have a line level digital component to them that doesn't compete quite well with the analog of the pickup system. I know that Seymour duncans are completely analog. Sorry for being generic.
@@mattdylan664 P.S: I haven't tried them at length just very briefly. The FishyMangs thajt IS, but look i Forward to testing them.
@@Hojo-g9iyou are completely wrong. Theres nothing digital in a fishman. Its layers of circuit board instead of windings. But thats still 100% analog dude. Even the built in active preamps are analog. Theres no such thing as a digital pickup….well maybe those synth pickups roland makes. But fluences are active. And sound different, they are not digital
Glenn loved this video
I like Seymour Duncan pickups.
I have four of them in two guitars.
Duncan Distortion, Duncan Distortion Neck, JB, and P-Rail.
They all do what I was going for, and more.
Always like to see what else they come up with.
I don’t have any plans for a pickup swap, but if they made pickups that fit in a Gibson EB (or a copy) I would look into those.
Pickups dont change the tone of your guitar and this has been proven by people like glenn fricker
@@sirspongadoodle hmm, that’s funny, because the guitars sounded very different after the new pickups were installed, especially the one with the cheaper pickups. Maybe it’s a semantic thing?
Sweet looking guitar and the rails sound awesome as well. Well done on this vid. Until next time 🙂
That demo track was pure FILTH. Great demo as always. Would love to see how these sound compared to the original versions with pole pieces.
Real tight sounding! I dig them.
Great sounding pickups.
I have the old JB in the bridge position of my Ibanez RS and it sounds good, but this new version on the JB sounds great. Maybe I change the pickups and I put the new JB in the bridge position and a Back Winter in the neck position....
“Lemme buy the same pickup twice because I’d rather chase tone than practice.”
a jb rail sounds freakin amazing! i always thought the distortion was a better overall pickup for metal but i liked the clarity and sound of the jb, just wish it had more output. BOOM!! JB RAIL!!
Great review. Any chance of doing the Naz / Sent version too?
Love my Dimebucker! No signal loss during bends sounds like a violin.
Curious... JB Rail is listed as AlNiCo 8 on the Seymour Duncan website and has more DCR and more output than the "standard" model (which is AlNiCo V). I don't know a ton about rail construction. Is there no traditional magnet in the humbucker itself?
It has an alnico 8 bar magnet. Likely a part of the design goal of clarity.
Very nice!
I like that Schecter, is that a Solo or Hellraiser? These pickups remind me of the ones they would sell to fit in a single coil slot for tele or strat. I noted too the pictures with lines on them all over the room, must be sound reflection control of some kind, kind of like the "sound chamber" ones you see.
Sick rails brah. I’m bout to cop one of those couch riff shirts 👌
I absolutely love your Fishman sig, especially voice 2. Is the JB Rail in the same ballpark as that? What’s in Tealy Dan now that you’re with SD?
I feel like the real star in this video...are those green pants 😍
I say 🧐 is this the guitar he mentioned in his Limited Run Solo 6? It has the fancy headstock logo.
Man i reaally dig how those rail pickups looks
I was so excited for this, but it seems like they don’t make the Nazgûl sentient combo in the 8 string variant I believe I need for my multiscale 7.
Seymour dimebucker was my go to for years... have since discovered bare knuckle, mojo & sunbear pickups. These still sound the nuts though!!! But that could be the player being awesome :)
No pickups dont alter tone
@@sirspongadoodle my boy everything effects tone to a degree only a fool would think otherwise.
Hi, magnificent video ,excuse me about my ignorance,but what is the model of that Schecter,so beautiful guitar!
Clean-ass Shecter 👌🏼👌🏼👌🏼
I wish it can come with covers
without the pole pieces, you can do step dad unison bends and boomer pent blues solos without loosing your hair metal power in the bent note.
I need to try them on my baritone. 🤨
Wes Hauch Jupiter Pickups my love 😈
awesome video - I need to get some
So Fluff..
Would you change your original JBs with this rail version on your four guitars?
I am changing some of them out yeah
Rails pinch harmonics go hand in hand with standing up while playing. "
@@RiffsAndBeardspickups dont change tone
I prefer the sound of rails. I also visually prefer the symmetry of rails.
Better yet, put some radiator covers on them, and rails look AMAZING!
Placebo since pickups dont alter tone
Very comfortable w the jb and jazz set, I have one in my ec-1000. The rails are SO UGLY though 😭😭 I would get there but only if they had pickup covers
Put on some Bare Knuckle style radiators.
FLUFF!!!! Can you please tell someone at Schecter to put an Evertune on the Solo II Custom!!!
I want an Alnico 2 JB… so… the opposite of this 😂😂. I have a few JBs kicking around and do love them though so will likely nab one of these - love the idea from SD!
These sound amazing. Almost like an active pickup. A JB on steroids.
No they dont since pickups dont alter tone
@@sirspongadoodle brother, each pickup model has a different EQ curve, output level etc. thus altering the tone of the signal before it enters the amp/rig. Get off glen fricker's pole if that's where you are being fed the "pickups don't alter tone" bs
@@Ryan_Sens disprove his tests...
@@sirspongadoodle haha knew it, a glen pole rider. I dont have to prove or disprove anything, its fact
it is basically the Firebird pickup design, so I'm thinking it could be awesome for blues and pop, not just djent/metal.
I Wonder what seperates this pick up from SD's Alt-8 pickup?
Holy 2014 fluff!
Always cool to hear a Duncan novelty but individual slotted and threaded poles allow to tweak the output for each string. I wouldn't want to bypass that ability to balance the tone.
Looks like my Seymour Duncan Dimebag pickup.
I am not sure how the hell you guys fit those in those pick up rings?I just wasted my money on these pickups and tried them with six different pick up rings and they will not fit inside any of them.
First whats up this thing sounds brutal love seeing more schecters on the channel coming from a lefty player
I like right handed guitars and brands that make guitars left handed people can’t play
No one asked you phil, check your tone
The JB was already my favorite pickup, and they made it even clearer?
Sounds the same as every other pickup demo he does. When are people gonna realize the pickups don’t affect tone, especially with the kind of music he plays?
Pickups do affect the tone, Even when you don‘t like them ;)
@@damienalvarez2957 so you would $10 pickup in your guitar? Since it doesn't affect tone?
@@madmikemikeso you would 10$ pickup? That doesnt even make grammatical sense, but yes i would matter of fact i played a gig with a 150$ guitar and was told by many people there that i sounded better to there ears then the band with 1000+$ guitars
@@madmikemikebecause PICKUPS DONT CHANGE TONE
7 string Rail Custom would be dope.
You not using the blackjack solo is criminal after getting it back
Hey Fluff, what modern pickups do you recommend to get that Zappa tone? It's missing in en everything that I try that's modern.
You need a switching layout that allows out of phase operation
@@RiffsAndBeards thanks Fluff! You rock
Well, I was already looking to buy the Hot Rodded Humbucker set, but hearing the new rail version in this video may have just sold me on getting these instead. I feel like you should have mentioned that they are now using alnico 8 magnets instead of alnico 5. That's where the noticeable tone difference comes from.
The “noticable tone difference” is completely placebo since its proven by glenn fricker that there is no tonal difference
@@sirspongadoodle Glenn says a lot of stuff. I guess you should never swap pickups in your guitar again, if you believe him.
No longer with fishmen?
Oh wow!
So they're making a Dimebucker rail version?!!
oh wait
I suppose this would negate the need for a Trembucker, huh?
Correct
I've never liked the JB, but this one does sound better than the classic JB
Thats placebo, pickups all sound the same
I do like rails
1:14 - care to back up any of these claims?
Go learn about pickups ...
@@MickH60 I've seen other's tests, I've done my own tests. From what I know, pickups don't make that much of a difference. He is making pretty bold claims here, and I just ask for the proof so that he does not mislead the consumer. The samples in this video exist in a vacuum. We're hearing his signal chain, not the guitar or pickups. If he were to play a different guitar or pickup set through the same signal chain for a comparison, then we'd be able to test the validity of his claims. Until then, one could assume that he is lying to the consumer in an effort to sell a product.
@@MickH60you said “go learn about pickups” when you dont even know they dont change your tone…
Waiting for the Rail Invader
Waiting for Glenn to call this marketing hooey and say that all pickups sound the same
Which he is correct about
BLACK WINTER RAILS WHEN
Sounds killer, but was never a big fan of the look of the rails. I also had an Alternative 8 in a ‘91 custom years ago and though it was louder, it was also super midrange heavy (wrong mids for me)…..I went back to a Gibson 498T….
Pretty sure Bill Lawrence patented this design in 1982. It’s bad enough he already got taken for a ride by “Bill Lawrence Pickups” but for Duncan to jump on this band wagon I’m surprised. I suggest anyone interested check out Wilde Pickups L500 over these.
DiMarzio has been making rail pickups since the '80's.
All dont alter tone anyway
What what? I thought u were a fishman artist?
they sound just like humbuckers installed on a guitar!
Yup. Sound like every other rail pickup I've ever heard.
Would the new rails be good for real music like blues and country music?
Did you watch the video?
Yeah, probably.
@@emartinezrFluff never said they couldn't be used for that.
Just that he wasn't playing that.
Yep, they’re pickups.
So they learned some lessons from Dimarzio
Seymour duncan made rail puckups a looooong time ago…
Looks like they kinda copied the X2n
Nothing new for us Lawrence users, been using Lawrence pickups since 81
The main point of rail magnets is so that your signal doesn’t choke out from bending a string outside the magnetic field of a pole piece. Output has nothing to do with it.
If you’re only doing subtle vibrato or gentle bends, standard pole pieces are fine, but if you’re practically yanking your strings off the fretboard, rail magnets are the way to go.
Side note: I’ve tried three different audio playback devices and don’t notice any difference in tone from his other pickup demos. But man’s gotta earn a paycheck, I guess 🤷🏻♂️
No the point is to sell a new product, nobody needs to upgrade there pickups and i mean nobody unless they are damaged…
There’s so many effects used these days like how can u really tell it’s the PU or the effects ??
Mmmmm...they sound like marketing.
Wake me when they make a 7 string Dimebucker. And no the Jupiter does not count.
Pickups are a waste of money and have been proven to be a waste of money
Sure if pickups don't matter, then go ahead and use cheap microphonic sounding pickups 😂
@@Gearslayer92 use arguments instead of emojis you childish baby…
@sirspongadoodle I don't need to argue with anyone, especially someone who has childish manners.
@@Gearslayer92 then dont try to argue, really not hard to understand…