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Now that I've come close to understanding it, this is ingeniously made. Like damn
Please explain it to me, even after a couple of watches I'm still having difficulty with some aspects.
Nolan was working on the script for TEN YEARS. He's not some connect the splosions with stupid plot about Family to make people get emotional type screenwriter hack. He says his way of working is to start a script - then every time he encounters a problem - Go back to the very beginning and start again and try to get a little bit further than last time. I'm sure most Hollywood action scripts are just set piece set piece set pice set piece - then try to join them together later with rhetorical dialogue that sounds good for trailers.
@@andybagles4156 Which ones exactly ?
Even now, in 2023, after three years of rewatching it, this stuff is f*cking mindblowing! 🥴😱😅
Lol, imagine if Sator just decided not to toss the orange case to the Protagonist and create a paradox.
The problem even with this type "scientifically explained" (take Interstellar, while the mathematics and theoretical ideas of the concept of black hole are valid, entering one is nonsense for human being) films is that generally free will does not exist. So, there would be no paradox since he would never throw and the whole continuity would be different from the beginning.
@@magnuskallas Well in this case it you can have free will, but only and only if you're the most present version of yourself. You can create paradoxes everyday of the week as long as the future version of yourself works to resolve them.
@@flopsinator5817 the idea of "the most present version" does not make sense. All instances of you exist at the same time. Free will is simply an illusion in a universe like this, i.e. decision making is just another chemical process subject to the causal loop.
Time must be thought of as another spatial dimension. An observer in the 5th dimension would see this sequence of events as a closed trajectory in 4D space
What’s happened has happened
Perhaps in another universe he did, or forgot, and then that universe was promptly snuffed out because he created a paradox. Maybe it is simply that every other universe where he did not resolve this paradox was not allowed to exist - leaving us with only one possibility.
THIS is finally the video that has allowed me to understand. Thank you.
Still no clue what's going on. But thanks for trying.
This is from Sator perspective
How
@@daddy_doug Sator was hiding in the room found before entering the red room, and was waiting for the events to play out, before fully entering the red room, going through the turnstile, to enter the blue room/past
@@MOTM1234 This is the scene I have the most trouble with. Just for a - where does it start and end - type deal. When Sator ignites the petrol - thats the end of his involvement in that event and he goes off to his yacht 10 days ago.
Everybody gangsta until this scene comin'...
I wonder if the scene would've been clearer if the car was blue. Or any color, really, since silver or black is kinda boring. Only to help the audience keep track of where things are.
Indeed, in my second watch I mentally label each scenes/items with the inverted as blue and the normal time as red. It helps a lot especially in the final battle at Stalsk.
But I guess some people enjoy the moment when they are able to comprehend the perplexity (me included)
To be fair, it was _intended_ to be confusing, for both the audience and the Protagonist. Remember, the protagonist doesn't know that Sator was inverted. From Sator's POV, he _knew_ that he wasn't gonna kill Kat, and was simply counting _up_ just to fuck with the protagonist. But from the protagonist's POV, he was counting _down,_ and it didn't occur to him that Sator might be inverted.
@@rapidreaders7741 yeah that scene is extremely powerful on first watch exactly because you have no clue what is going on...sator just appears in this weird moving car and all of a sudden protagonist is fucked...that scene really hit me hard first view when he has a gun to her head....the face-mask didn't make sense to me, but it reminded me of Frank Booth from blue velvet....just really powerful imagery here that wouldn't have hit as hard had we known what was going on...and yeah figuring it out later is beyond satisfying...when you are finally able to view the event from both directions, it's really quite an achievement
Sator says over the radio collect the algorithm from the Freeport when he was in reverse. Interesting, so he was part of the freeport scene then.
Sator was lied to about where the algorithm was, forcing him to drive back through the event to see where it went. He finally does see that it went into inverted TP's car, so he knows that if the event is reverted, the car will unflip, drive backwards to the freeport, TP will get out and revert with Ives and team. There is a window of time where the car is just sitting outside with the algorithm in the back seat. He realizes this and tells his men to simply drive there and pick it up.
4:02 HOT HOT HOT HOT HOT
lol but its actually "og og og og og"
Randy Marsh taking the huge shit
4:57 crazy
So, basically inverted Sator gets in the SUV, throws the orange box at TP, flips inverted TP's car, then counts from 1 to 3 with his fingers and drives off as if being chased. That just doesn't make sense from this perspective.
Yeah I felt the same way I think it’s cause they were being cinematic with the car chase in the beginning. If they would have left him counting to 3 but made the first chase slower and closer to the Freeport car crash it would’ve made more sense
They are doing a temporal pincer, so basically after Sator interrogated TP in the turnstile room he went to find the algorithm piece in the glovebox but since TP is lying, it's not there so Sator jumps to the moving SUV to go back to when TP was throwing the orange box, and then he saw uninverted TP throwing the algorithm piece to the inverted TP's car, so by inversion logic in this movie, I assume one of Sator's man was called by inverted Sator telling him that the algorithm piece was in the car that TP was using. So sator already got a hold of the algorithm piece before he chased uninverted TP and burned/freeze inverted TP's car.
Correction: one of Sator's man was notified in the past by future Sator after he uninverts himself.
From sator's perspective in the chase he was being followed, until they got ahead enough to pull the turn and make the forward car forget about him
@@Segregationist you can hear him radio someone that it’s in the Saab so I guess someone that was moving forward just reversed his radio call to understand the backwards talk and went and grabbed it in the saab
Great upload, my dude!
I must be missing something. The capsule was in the Saab because forwards Protagonist threw it in, did inverted Protagonist forget about it? Did Sator invert himself again to go get it from the Saab in the past? Did someone invert the Saab? If so, who and when?
The Protagonist didn't know who was in the Saab, it was an attempt to get the Capsule away from Sator as much as possible. When inverted Protagonist goes in the Saab, you can actually see him look in the backseat, seeing the Capsule there. Sator told his team to go get the Capsule from the Saab. He most likey told the driver of the Mercedes. 4:14 you can see that the Driver there is actually not inverted, we see that he doesn't have an Oxygen Mask. And because of the Interragation scene, they have the technology to reverse the audio. 6:39 You can hear Sator tell his team that the Capsule is at the Saab.
For your last question: the Saab was likely inverted by the Tenet soldiers off screen because the inverted Protagonist wanted to use it ("Cowboy shit"). We don't see it happen, but it's probable.
I still don't understand why the vehicles are driven reverse and forward, but all vehicles in same direction
because if you put in gear 1, you car goes forward, and when you are inverted forward becames backward. You don't wanna drive a backward car, so the inverted person use Reverse gear to make the car goes backward, hence inverted means forward.
I don't understand how Audi was put into it's place. This car is a biggest paradox.
Why did Sator shoot Kat?
I believe the Saab unflipped to satisfy TP's world line or causality.
So it flipped over going forward because sator flipped it going backwards. One thing I don’t understand after all of the analysis videos and rewatch etc. How did they rescue the protagonist?
4:57 I wonder how the Saab coup was filmed from two angles without filming the film crew. One angle was shot from BMW, that's understandable. But why can't you see the crew that was filming behind Saab at that moment? After all it is impossible to flip 2 Saabs in the same way with two takes
In the Film industry, Everything is Planned out really really well. And in the case of stunts, the production team needs to be really careful for safety and such. While the film shows that the Audi flips the Saab, to create it in the Movie, they probably have everything, from wires, hydraulics, pistons, and whatever. In the Behind scenes video, something you can find on TH-cam, You can actually see the screen-tested version of the car crash.
Magic of movie making
I found the answer to my own question. He's in this video: th-cam.com/video/hmC2YfkPlgc/w-d-xo.html
They just erased a filming Mercedes
It makes no sense when the black SUV is "chasing" them from behind, as why would the SUV driver maneuver as if he is the one being chased? This video confirms this thought I had when I saw the movie. Thanks!
Interesting point, I hadn’t given it much thought but your right it is strange. Thinking about it now though makes a little more sense than my initial response to it. At the time the SUV is “behind” the protagonist in forward time we view it as chasing, however in inverted time Sator was trying to cut them off rather than chase them since they had the algorithm piece, so the movements are strange but its basically just what you get with a vehicle traveling inverted trying to cut off a vehicle traveling backwards. Either way one direction will be chasing while the other will be blocking/cutting off. So your right it looks weird but I wouldn’t say it’s actually wrong, at least I don’t think so lol.
@@christian11111 But when you are trying to cut off someone you either invade their lane at an angle, or be in front of them and slam the breaks or you could also try ramming their rear tire, in this case front tire, to do a Pit manuever, none of these seem to be attempted but instead we see the diver maneuvering just to stay in front of the movement of the car (which in this case is the rear of the car) then after a while the SUV just speeds up, turns around and completely ignores them on the way back, which completely opposes the intent of cutting them off.
Also, without even talking about how the SUV anticipated all the moves of the BMW, which were actually caused by the BMW trying to avoid the SUV.
Although, having read your comment, I think maybe the SUV driver did try to slam the breaks on them to rear end them, but due to the nature of them being reversed, the SUV driver found it very hard to position the SUV, gave up and couldn't come up with a better solution to stop them???
What the SUV should've done is to try the pit maneuver by hitting the BMW's front tire with the front of the SUV. This would've giving us a more interesting shot in forward time as we would see the SUV moving in reverse but with its front side towards the front of the BMW, trying to ram their front tire from the sides.
@@Mastario Actually both Sator and TP vehicles are chasing each other depending on the perspective. In forward time its clear enough Neil is being chased by backwards SUV but in Sator's perspective he just figured out the algorithm is in the Saab so he is finished and must escape.
Therefore that when the SUV breaks the mirror is an attempt to fool TP and Neil because he switched to reverse gear and drove back down the highway to the freeport.
i.e. Sator chasing TP in forwards time is actually Sator's escape in reverse time.
In addition Sator was told exactly what happened as it happened whilst he was non-inverted so he could've just been following what his henchman told him
@@Blader2600 I agree that both could be seen as chasing each other, but to me it makes much more sense that they would do this facing each other instead of back to back.
I just watched a video of a police chase where the cops do the pit maneuver and played it on reverse, and if you just imagine the back of the chased car is the front, it looks so much better and makes more sense for both chases.
It's just odd that you would position your car in front of another with your back to it and anticipate all its moves. Instead of positioning your car behind the other car (reverse front) and try to ram it. And from the protagonists perspective it would look like they are chasing a car going in reverse but that it's actually taking swings at them with it's rear (reverse front)
Now I'm even more confused..
thank you
=)) спасибо!!!))
I'm still not clear when inverted Sator gets the Algorithm piece. Isn't it in the flipped silver car? But we don't see him get it before lighting TP on fire. Someone suggested on another video that he keeps going back in time and picks it up from the truck but that doesn't make sense because then it wouldn't have been there when they first got it from the truck. So it has to have been with inverted TP in his flipped car, right?
It doesn't matter to him to have it in the past, he needs to have it in the future. So reverse Sators job is to find out where it will be when he begins his journey, then communicate it to his goons so they can pick it up. Then from his perspective it needs to be handed back to TP and put back in the vault in the security truck, those are the counter-intuitive steps he has to take to steal it in forwards direction.
It's never in the flipped car; the flipped car reverse-crashes onto the road, then the plutonium is thrown into it. In the future it ends up in the backseat of the parked silver car on the docks. Once they know that, Sators people just have to wait for inverted TP to bring it back there, park it, and walk into the turnstile, then they can pick it up in the future.
Kabitu1 holy shit something actually kinda makes sense for once...
@@Kabitu1 Exactly. His goons retrieve it in the future from the car reversed TP used. Which means he put it there in reversed perspective before the reversed car chase. Satars whole reverse mission was to do that.
I wish Nolan put Sator's Man perpective into movie, it would clear all confusion how Sator gets 241. It could be funny as SM could drive non-inverted Saab, follows iTp to the freeport, waits as iTp and rest of team invert, steals 241, invert himself and Saab, leave Saab for iTp and go back in time to final battle 8)
No, when the car gets flipped, it's already flown out the window and is back in the car with Neil and the protagonist
Just revrse the whole movie
Too much headache 🤕
I still don't understand how the Audio SUV was powered? who pressed the gas?
cruise mode exist for every car.
@@MikeE_wf now I feel stupid
It's because in inverted perspective, the protagonist unpressed the breaks, the brakes were released and the car starts to move. Remember that the AUDI is also inverted, hope this helps.
So why Sator still chase them when he saw the handoff? Why he still pointing the gun on her? Why at 5:32 he counts 1 to 3 when he already know where is the algorithm?
My understanding is that he needs to convince the protagonist that he didn't find the algorithm. If the protagonist knew he found it, he would've removed it from the car when he inverted. Since he didn't know, and he was in a hurry to save Kat, he just left it there without thinking too much about it.
@@foop145 Thank you
He saw the Protagonist's future inverted self(masked version) in the Saab car and now knew it was the present version. And he also saw the algorithm piece ricocheting from the car back into the Protagonist's past self. He knows that if time is reverted, the past Protagonist will throw the piece into the Saab car, and the future inverted Protagonist will inversely drive the Saab car back to the Freeport, where after inverted Sator tells his men where the piece is, his men will take the piece from the parked Saab.
Я не могу понять одно. Вкакую сторону поехал сатор, после того как бросил спичку??
Sator went to Vietnam, to the 14th.
why did Kat need to wear a mask even though she wasn't inverted
She was brought inside the blue room, which had inverted oxygen, which is why sator could breathe in it.
Can anyone explain when Sator fired at Kate?
He shot her in the Red Room/Blue Room.
How and why that black SUV with Kat on board leaves
Cause and effect! It‘s about the perspective
@@enrique99100 yeah the perspective of the reversed black Audi Suv... when it leaves, with Kat on board. From the reverse perspective of the car the protagonist stops pushing the brake and it starded...
@@jokerfull4865 exactly! And i still don‘t get it! The more i think about it, the more i‘m confused!
It‘s also from the perspective of sator and the inverted TP
And how and why does TP get sucked out of the car with Cat in it?!🤯
We dont want to know what happened we want to know why it all happened
haven't you watched the movie lol
Honestly. I don't know what I want to know
It's brilliantly executed, but the logic is broken. Smartest people in the world don't understand it because it breaks its own rules no matter which order you play it.
Nolan's a great filmmaker but don't let him gaslight you into thinking the film's genius just because he broke logic so bad no one can understand it. Genius is when the impossibly complex suddenly becomes clear. This is just gaslighting. I love the movie, but it's utter nonsense.
Before you ask:
1. Sator's car (inverted) spawns out of a crash, driverless, with Kate in the back. Sator (inverted) then jumps into the inverted car and resumes control. This makes exactly as much sense as if a regular car spawned out of a crash and was hijacked by its driver mid-transit.
2. Sator's inverted lighter ignites inverted engine fuel, which should freeze its surroundings and burn only the protagonist. Instead, it freezes only protagonist and burns everything else. Not to mention, even if the heat is inverted into freezing, it should be a mirror amount of damage to the Protagonist, and yes, extreme freezing is just as gruesome as extreme heat, freezing shouldn't be a safety buffer for him. Not to mention, the air itself is not inverted, so just as he can't function without inverted air, the inverse fire should be equally untenable.
3. Protagonist sees inverted silver car spawn out of a crash, with a driver. Inverted silver car drives up neatly between inverted Sator and normal Protagonist. Now this is the first and second time Protagonist has ever seen an inverted car, and Sator seems to be cooperating with it, and thus far, Protagonist assumes that Sator is the only one doing time shenanigans this overtly, (he's later surprised that TENET has their own inversion chambers). So by Protagonist's account, he should assume that inverted silver car is working for Sator, just as he still assumes that the inverted soldier at the Freeport was working for Sator. Throwing the algorithm into the Silver car and sending Sator an empty case would then be a minor inconvenience for Sator, at best. Suppose Protagonist intended to then chase Silver car, using it as a buffer between him and Sator. Fair enough. What'd be even more fair enough is if Protagonist just dropped the algorithm between his knees, sent the case, and kept the algorithm right there with him rather than attempt a simultaneous trick-shot into a moving car that is 99% likely to be an enemy.
4. Protagonist proceeds to step into the same exact car, and not stop for two seconds to check if, maybe, the algorithm he just chucked into a Sator-inverted car is in this perfect identical Sator-owned car right next to Sator's building. For all he knows, Sator's goon didn't notice the algorithm being chucked, and the whole gang then ditched the vehicle not realizing what was in it. Though Protagonist has a lot on his plate, so I'll give him an out. Still weird he doesn't even raise an eyebrow at the car being so identical to the one he just threw his mission into.
the logic isn't perfect but it's still genius... completely original story and incredible filmmaking... this movie got in my head like few others have done -- and clearly it got to you too :)
@@shizzyfinn It did get to me. I really like it. But I disagree with the general assumption that it's genius for being impenetrably nonsensical. Feels like rewarding writers for doing less work; regardless of how much I love the premise and fight choreography and soundtrack.
Hey, I'm just trying to understand exactly what it is you're saying here.. could you specify, with a screen time in the video that shows it, which car it is that spawns out of a crash?
@@foundfindfinding5377 Sator's inverted car drives backwards into a busy intersection. Protagonist has to hurry to rescue Kat from the inverted vehicle before it reaches the intersection; implying it's going to "crash". However, this being an inverted vehicle, the crash it's bound for is _in the vehicle and Sator's past._ Meaning, from Sator's POV, the vehicle spawns out of the crash, and barrels down the street without a driver and Kat alone in the back seat, Sator then drives up in his getaway vehicle and jumps into the moving car to rejoin Kat and hold her hostage.
Note that this part of the events is not shown from Sator's POV, because it doesn't make sense, but the film cuts around it and trusts that the audience will just blame their own confusion rather than calling the movie out.
@@samwallaceart288 Ohhhh, yeah. Why would it start driving before he gets into the vehicle. I see your point. Big plot hole, bummer. Doesn't kill the movie by any means, but it definitely is a hole.