Gilbert Arenas & Josiah Johnson FIX The NBA 75 Team | No Chill with Gilbert Arenas
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 ส.ค. 2024
- 00:00 - Intro
02:00 - Gil's Problems With The Selection Process
06:04 - What Championships REALLY Mean
07:36 - The Dwight Howard Disrespect
11:51 - Gil Brings His Handwritten Notes
24:55 - Alex English
27:27 - T-Mac & A.I.
30:12 - Indochino Ad
31:28 - LMNT Ad
32:46 - Klay Thompson Continued
36:50 - Does Kyrie Irving Belong On The List
40:05 - Does Giannis Antetokounmpo Belong On The List?
43:25 - How To Fix The Voting
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Gil’s criteria for voting:
Everyone is fair game. No grandfathering in. Original 50 out!
Championships are TEAM awards. I’m looking at personal stats and championships are the cherry on top
All NBA > All Star
No predicting or fast-forwarding. No future success based on present stats. Stats are CURRENT stats.
I would just add that the playoffs are the real test. Regular season is one thing, the playoffs show what a player is really made of. Yes, championships are team awards, but what did YOU do when it mattered most, WIN or Lose?
He has to add into context 3 all-nba format wasn’t added until 1988. Before that - from 1946 you had 10 players selected
All I can say is thank y'all for the content... Stop crabbing over there!!!
You have to respect the era of time ahead
@@TeezyfolKKz There also weren’t as many teams back in the day, you had NBA vs. ABA, and a lot of those guys back in the day had second jobs as plumbers and shit. 😒
“The Mikan drill?”
“That’s CUTE”
😂😂😂😂
Dwight got disrespected and i don’t think Dame should be on the list and I’m feeling iffy about AD being on the list
AD got a better resume than a good 15+ players on that list, he should be in fs.
@@ptyten9718 No, he shouldn't.
@@ptyten9718 what has AD done that’s better than 15 people on this list??
AD doesn't deserve to be there. Hes there baed on what he potentially could be
I'm with you
JJ: "I see a trend here..."
GA: "Stop it!"
JJ: "BIG MEN!"
HILARIOUS EXCHANGE!!!
GA was thinkin sum racial motivation
I see Gilbert and I click immediately! Dude is just always brutally honest
He be wrong a lot too
@@carma8475 True, but at least his perspective is refreshing and objective.
He focus on stats way too much.
Dennis Rodman intangibles other contributions don't show up in stats.
There's no hustle stat.
There's also no stat for showing up and hustlin your @ss off.
Harden has stats and that's about it.
@@Peakfreud objective? 😂😂
@@carma8475 Some of those stat lines come when teams were averaging 80pts a game.
Two players in todays NBA can give you close to 80 a game.
@@Wolverinebj3 Yeah Objective, unless you're his psychologist or telepathic, willing to provide some 1/2 @ssed back story in the man's motives.
Every time Gil says “you gotta remember”, take a shot and see how the rest of your day goes. The legend knows what he’s talking about.
There wouldn’t be a “rest of your day” after that many shots lol
Now I’m about to count 😂
Gil wasn’t no damn legend lol. He was aight but definitely not a legend
@@amaziahyaohsharal9840 definitely a legend.
@@neapolitanplug5635 agree to disagree.
Gilbert Arenas is the athlete personality that the culture NEEDS
California Swag
Right
Fosho
Not at all. Dude literally just caters to younger millennials and Gen Xers. Most people born before 1988ish disagree with this dude.
@@HT-sm9dm He definitely disrespects the oldschool for sure, doesn't like anybody from the 80s or before. I can give him that 1950s players and before probably were pretty weak compared to todays NBA, but there's guys in 60s, 70s, 80s who were greats
Could you imagine if Gil was playing now his post game interviews would be legendary 🤣
Fr 😂
2x NBA Champion
NBA finals MVP
6x NBA All Star
4x NBA Defensive first team
4x All NBA
16401 pts
4600 assist
Joe Dumars
Joe Dumars don’t get no love
How many seasons?
He playing like 13-14 years
Didnt know he was a finals mvp. Lillard one of my favourite players to watch but man how did he make this list over this resume...
@@justinchin6291 didn’t play with Rodman, Thomas, or Lambeir
Gil is hilarious. At this rate, he's about to have 5 people on his list
They made the NBA Top 75 Most influential list. Gil hit it on the head
FACT
Popularity contest?
I just love how objective n honest Gil is on his podcast.. this podcast is kinda underrated in comparison to other podcasts... he’s actually severely underrated as a basketball knowledgable person & underrepresented in the basketball world, of media commentating.
If Gil was objective and honest, he would say he doesn't know a thing about the basketball world pre-1985. They should do a post-1985 list, not the full history.
@@penkima4923 he really does disrespect the old heads lol
It's insane that so many people and players disrespect Patrick Ewing...saying Dwight Howard is greater, and Ewing is not top 75, etc. Ewing is an easy top 50, and Howard is a top 75.
Their resumes are debatable, what separates them was the longevity of ewings run. He was a better talent too. But resume wise, obviously due to ewings comp, he lost out on a lot of awards that he would’ve won if not for Hakeem, Robinson, and shaq.
Think about it, Ewing played in the league from 85 through the 90s played in a more defensive era with some of the greatest centers and to me he was the least dominate of them all and dwight was a more defensive minded player so if you put him in that era he dominates even more
Ewing averaged 21pts and 10reb for his career with 2 NBA finals appearances. He is easily top 50.
Ewing is trash
Actually Pat Ewing was a big that could shoot and played Defense. Howard had no offensive game whatsoever
Gotta respect the pioneers and the old school - the game wouldn’t be where it is today if it weren’t for them. There’s a difference between skill and greatness.
Underrated comment so true dabble in 5 areas vs master a few and be great
Fact but it’s many players that are better now, than.
Indeed, that context is needed too.
And they had their huge share of tough stuff too, with the old hard rules on stats, moves etc.
@@4EvurPosters that's not the essence of a top 75. It's not who has the better skill set , it's about how dominant where they in their era. What did you achieve in your era? Can't compare 21st century players to early 20th century players in skillet . Lol at the equipment , sport science, literally how people shoot and dribble have changed . People that argue skillset don't understand anything about a top 75. Tbh the list should have never been done in the first place.
When you think about what Gil says: “would this guy make top 50 off his in game production?” And it makes his bubble players seem legit
The mass media hates when former players debunk their false narratives. 💯
I find it hilarious that the ppl making the lists and giving criticism (cough Steven A) would get cooked by the worst player in the NBA
All FACTS
There's no false narrative here though, just not the best list you could come up with. Some of the old players like Alex English or Bernard King isn't there also so there's no huge biased towards the older players.
I don’t think they care lmao
These dudes keep trying to insult Pat Ewing for Dwight Howard...FOH
Exactly, the battles against the Bulls alone say it all.
West Coast Bias
Naw dwight would dominate ewing in a more defensive era, ewing played in the best era of big men from 85-00 and he was the least dominate and he wasnt a game changer, dwight just off of defensive skill alone dominates that era more then ewing overall game
@@sportstalkwithzo3707 man Ewing had skills, so he would've gave Dwight buckets. Dwight couldn't even slow down the big men he played against, he only blocked the shots of guards in the lane, but the big men gave him buckets. Howard was just athletic, once that slowed down, he fell off..
Dwight over Ewing is nuts 🤦🏾♂️😂😂😂
It's not it's facts
Facts
@@sochillcyp - what facts...🤣🤣
Thank you for putting effort into the list!!!! I lost respect for the nba when they released the biased Popularity75. They did Dwight dirty.
That list should have been tossed in the trash, when they put James Harden on it.
Harden and the Refs are the Best Big
3 ever.
Dwight Howard maybe top 100?
@@Peakfreud stop the cap 👎🏾😂
@@tommartinez3840 stop. That’s disrespectful. He’s top 50 without question. There isn’t 40 players with his resume let alone 75-100.
Lmaoo Dwight Howard is garbage, stop the cap..
Keeping top 50 original was political move.
You call it political, I call it classy.
@@369pendulum Stupid* The game evolves and players from the 50s dont belong in the same sentence of some of the newer players
@@kingshottah4429 This list is meant to pay homage to the history of the league & the players that helped build it. If you don't understand that then nothing I say will matter to you.
@@kingshottah4429 the game evolves players get physically better, but how dominant was that player in that era? Stats and rules are different now. JR Smith is better than everyone in the 60’s but was he a better player during his era than they were in theirs?
@@MNMuscle JR Smith SKILL wise could dominate in the 50s. I know that sounds crazy to say but if you really think about the skill gap between him and the players of the 50s he would be a star. Would it translate to championships probably not but he would dominate other guards of that era. I'm sorry but George Mikan could not and would not be able to guard a guy like Embiid.
You can tell how much more respect Gil has for JJ than the previous cohost makes a much funnier smoother dialogue, salute
What happened to the old co-host? I haven't been keeping up
Bruh don’t disrespect Ewing like that. Gil did you even watch him play? Lol
He had like 10 straight 20 and 10 plus seasons. Carried a franchise for more than a decade.
He played both sides of the ball. Could score inside and out.
Carried? 😂🤦🏽♂️
@@TJAvant95 Uhhh yeaaah carried
@@TJAvant95 yeah Pat carried them. They had good overall teams but Ewing was the man
@@mycitysucks8096 lmao...the man 😭
@@Jboooog18 lmao...man, how that go ? 😂. go ahead and go to google then let me know. Ahead of Dwight, 😂😂 ok
ewing was offensively and defensively better than dwight but D12 still deserve a spot om the lis
No he wasn't defensively. Good try though
@@treyneal8837 Your crazy. Patrick Ewing was averaging 4 blocks and played 82 games. The most Dwight averaged in one season was 2.9 blocks
Dwight Howard is in no way ahead of Patrick Ewing in my opinion.
I love these interviews
Walton is included b/c he DOMINATED college.... MVP..Finals MVP.. 6th man of the year...He may be the only NBA player to have all three...but gill is right his numbers arent what everybody elses are due to injury.
I like how honest they’re being frfr…. Dwight Howard, Tony Parker hell Manu Ginobili could be argued to on this list as well… Dwight Howard not being on is still crazy to me
If you gone argue manu you gotta argue Tmac first
@@TRELL3132 true🔥
Manu and Tony?! FOH! Dwight, definitely!
@@TRELL3132 wait tmac wasnt on the the list??????
@@kevpersau950 nope
I want Gil to make a list of the top 50 basketball players of all time. No talk about championships or accolades. No talk about careers, wins, or longevity. How good were you at your peak? What do you do on the court? Guys like TMac, Carmelo, Kyrie, and Gil, would be on this style of list over the traditional list that typically takes everything but overall skill into consideration.
I love Gilbert’s basketball mind
Totally agree with him on the way to judge this list
More people should take notice of what he says. If Kobe co-signed him then what’s the problem!
I cant wait for the next episode. Also give us 90 minutes from now on
Numbers change through eras though, and some points aren’t as meaningful as other
Great episode I wish it was longer
ALL NBA should weigh more than All Star but All Star is STILL important
Nah All-star is fan vote aka popularity. Gil got it right.
@@xxstract28 Its not 100% fan vote.
Maybe allstar selections in this era but back then like he said there were maybe 8 to 12 total teams. You could put up sub par to average numbers and make it
@@jasonau427 for the starters the fans determine that. Bench players getting coach recognition means nothing. It’s always been all-nba and all-pro over the all star games
@@pandabear1576 If you actually read my comment the FIRST thing I said was ALL NBA should weigh more than All Star. Then, I said All Star voting is not 100% fan vote. It’s not. Fan vote is 50%. Current players and media split the remaining 50%. Read and digest what people are saying BEFORE you respond.
Dame and AD belong on the top 100 list that will come out in 25 years, but not the top 75
Crazy for saying Dwight was above Patrick Ewing. Dwight should be on, but Ewing was doing what Dwight did on Defense and gave you 25pts on offense. He was All NBA 1st or 2nd team 7 times when there were real centers in the league. End of Kareem, Hakeem, Robinson, Parrish, Moses, Alonzo Mourning, Mutombo etc. That’s disrespect to Patrick man.
I dont recall Ewing winning 3 DPOYs, 5 rebounding titles or being the most dominant defensive force in the league for a decade. Lets not get carried away glorifying Alonzo and Dikembe as if they were any better than Blake Griffin and DeAndre Jordan. Ewing had the production of a slightly tougher version of KAT with less skill and a worse jumper
Ewing averages more blocks for his career than Dwight. But Dwight does have him in rebounds, but again Ewing played with a rebounding monster in Charles Oakley for most of his career and still basically averaged 10 for almost 20 years. Different era man, respectfully.
@@SkinsFan902 - would Dwight win those if he was going against Hakeem, David Robinson, Mutombo, Zoe, etc..and he wouldn't have those rebound numbers either so just stop it already..is Dwight good and maybe deserve to be on the list yes ...but everyone that knows basketball knows they would take Ewing over Dwight not even close...Ewing would eat his lunch on both sides of the court with bad knees on top of that....🤣🤣🤣
I meeaaannnnnn, you are right. But I say Hakeem was the best center in his era. Actually was becuz Hakeem was the only Center to win a chip in his era.
Yall forgot about Tony Parker
Absolutely.
And Joe Dumars.
Tony is a Victim of how low key and
Professional that spurs team was.
As I watched this, I kept thinking how great Tmac was and if he wasn’t hurt as much with more winning he would be top 10 all time. Same with Walton.
Take a shot everytime Gil says "put him up there" lol
Wilkins, Ewing, Rodman , worthy are definitely in
If Rodman is in then Ben Wallace is in. Rodman was a great defensive player, other than that he never carried a team night in night out or was the go to guy. Dude made 2 all star teams, and after he left Isiah and Jordon , what was he?? So no Rodman is not top 75.
Rodman and Ewing doesn’t have enough to be there
Besides Wilkins name being attached to Jordan in the dunk contest… what else has he accomplished?
@@agentflipp865 check Nique's stats
Wilkins is number 1 among the group of 4 and he was left off original Top 50.
Tracy McGrady deserves to be on the list.
No, he really doesn't. He doesn't even really belong in the HOF, but the HOF's standards are so low that Vlade Divac is in there. T-Mac ain't top 75.
End of
I disagree. I don't think he even got out of the first round when he was relevant.
I subscribed off this episode!! 🔥🔥
Gil should be on this list for inventing the 1-4 flat
Gil not valuing winning is hilarious 😭😭
Winning is a team stats, This is individual. If you want go by winning then Robert Horry should be top 75.
What can you expect from him playing on Washington Wizards.. His Gannis take.
Love this show
Cause you gotta amember. Lol I thoroughly enjoy this pod.
T-Mac was arguably the best player in the world for about half a decade. He was 7-time all star AND 7-time all-NBA, plus a scoring champ... That's not enough? I feel like being top 3 for 6 or 7 years is just as significant as being top 15 for, say, 12 years. In the same vein, one could make an argument that being an MVP -- i.e., THE (supposedly) best player for a given year -- should automatically qualify someone barring some extreme unforeseen circumstance (i.e., only having 2 or 3 healthy seasons before an injury). Anybody who's a multi-time MVP, it's a no-brainer.
The argument for a dude like Mikan is that he was _far and away_ the best player of his era. It was a crappy era but he was clearly that dude. He shot 40%, sure, but _offense as we know it literally hadn't been invented yet._ People weren't even taking jump shots. Audiences were throwing batteries and stuff... games were played in _cages!_ If you're not going to ding guys for shooting insane percentages now when you can't hand check them, don't ding George for playing during an era where people could body check you and it wasn't even a foul.
1. He was not the best player in the world at any point
2. He never made it out the first round
3. He played no defense
@@ryanhollinsbwood1787 Maybe you're too young to remember him before the injuries but he used to be a MONSTER on defense. Please stop, you're embarrassing yourself.
Also, Mike never made it out of the first round until Pippen got there. He was STILL arguably the best player in the world by his third season. It's funny but total chips didn't factor into his crowning as the GOAT in the early 90s. Once he won ONE it was like "okay he's there."
TMAC was always behind Kobe. Kobe was the best player for almost a decade, right up until Lebron reached his prime lol. I don't no how you would say TMAC was the best for 6 or 7 years.
@@jordanfauntleroy2013 Never said that. He was IN THE DISCUSSION for about half a decade (which is only 5 years). He might have actually been the best for 2. But Kobe himself consistently said that TMac was his equal before the back injuries. You don't know basketball better than Kobe Bryant.
@@MICjordanTPR Never heard TMAC in the discussion. I would hear the Kobe and MJ discussion. Kobe might have felt that he was his equal, however fans and players had Kobe as the best player in the leauge for a decade, just right before Lebron reached his prime.
Good stuff. Gil broke it down perfectly.
Players could make their own list based on current players. But when it comes to all time lists, era bias is gonna be too apparent if players vote
I know Gilbert arenas played in the NBA but their's no way I'm putting dwight howard over Patrick Ewing. It's called the eye test.
The eye argument is only used when nothing else supports your point. It’s funny how the stats are only used when it supports the point people want and than those same stats are thrown out when it doesn’t
Gilbert high for taking Rodman out… 😵
Rodman ain't top 75 💯
@@atmjefe he top 100
the world needed this fellas
Great breakdown of the list
I respect the fuck outta gill. He keeps it real!..the mainstream sport networks don’t want him on T.V!
Kinda inconsistent on the All NBA. If you’re all NBA more than 5x that’s dominating an era lol. Idk see how you’re “on the list”.
I don’t recall Wes Unseld being on his bubble list. Wes has 1 all NBA, 1 title, 5 all star appearances, averaged 10points, 10,624 total points, 13,769 total rebounds.
@@amaziahyaohsharal9840 that’s what I was thinking but they 100% forgot about him💀
This is awesome analysis!
BEST HOOP PODCAST OUT
I think you also have to take into account impact on the game too not just stats
So now I know who the co-host is. Not knowing Josiah Johnson’s name for so long was more ridiculous than the NBA Top 75 Players List.
Thank you. I was looking for it too!
Well I just got used to saying Gil & Ole dude... lol Knowing his name is sort of weirding me out...😂😂
I like his approach!!
This is the best gil discussion so far _👍_
Gil just gave me the Cajones to Question players I didn't even dare to Question. He definitely has a mastererful perspective of Hoopin
Dwight Howard should be on the list no doubt but better then Ewing is blasphemous
Gilbert going old school with the notebook paper. Get a tablet bro. 😂😂😂
George Mikan averaged 28.4 pts in the 50-51 season while the average ppg for the league was 80 pts. That's 35.5% of a teams pts per game. When Harden won the scoring title in 2019 with 36 ppg, the Rockets averaged 116.4. That's only 31% of the team's points. If you adjust numbers by seasons and eras, them Mikan would average well over 40pts per game
its dope that gil was backing up dwight being on the list and just going in on that topic. definitely think that omission from the list definitely diminishes the legitimacy of it. people who watched him when he played know.
This is a perfect example of a deep level thinker debating with a surface level thinker
"I'm gonna put you up there" is hilarious every time
This is great
I feel like career FG percentage/efficiency should be a huge factor in this as well.
Based off of Gil's criteria, Rodman isn't on there; but as a player that actually impacted the game stats don't always tell the story and rodman impacted winning as the ultimate role player in a league where you still had dominant big men and he was 6'7" snatching rebounds and playing physical defense, so he deserves to at least be in there
I like what you said there with Dennis Rodman being the ULTIMATE role player. I consider Bill Russell the ULTIMATE ROLE PLAYER, i dont think hes the GOAT, his 11 rings dont count to me towards his GOAT claim cus he was a part of the most dominating team in the league back then. He was just the center on the greatest team assembled back then. he got mvp's but when you can avg 25 rebs as a role player you have to get recognized for that. but he was ultimately a great team player.
@@BiznessBoog that is a great example. Bill Russell though, even though he had a specific role, he was still the best player on that team, even though he didn't score all the points as someone like wilt, his specific role was different cause he had guys to rely upon to get those buckets. Wilt just had to take the ball and say get out of my way.
@@BiznessBoog bro go watch art of the block it will give you a different appreciation for him
This is fire
Dwight in front of Ewing lol.....stop Gil 🤣🤣🤣
“Name off the player” - Genius. We just need to let Gill vote.
gilbert arenas so funny he literally said lets take winning out of the criteria like the game is about anything else
He forgot earlier players didn't have a shot clock so no they don't have a huge number of points. Other stats weren't counted either. Finally Gil a ...Washington Wizard discounts winning 🤭😅🤣.(please insert joke here).
Championships are team awards
@@vaudou_ and basketball is a team sport
Does Gilbert says hi lol
This was great
Can't wait for the follow ups on this one...
I love Gil’s prospective . His basketball i.q is crazy 💯
Kawhi is definitely on that list, he is top 30.
based on his individual accolades? not even close. 10k career points at 30 and the guy has an injury history.
I don't think Kawhi is top 30, but definitely top 50.
@@QuestionEverything562 if he retired today not even too 100
@@freddycalipari4242 Kawhi literally took the Raptors on his back to a championship title, is one of the most complete efficient 2-way players of all-time, he's easily top 50. What's your case against Kawhi not even being top 100? You honestly think Tony Parker and Manu Ginobli are greater than him? Can you even name 100 players before him?
For sure top 75 2 championships 2 finals mvps 5 time all star 5 time all nba 2 time dpoy 7 time all defense that’s top 75 to me
Really good interview Gilbert arenas is 100% right on what he said about Dwight Howard. A playoff stats should also be a part of this discussion.
The NBA Maestro is at it again . Good work Gil !
Mikan makes the list hands down. The fact it’s even a question is crazy. Yes Mikan has 10k points, he only played 7 seasons in a different era. They also didn’t record rebounds until he almost retired.
Plus he changed rules making the game more modern. Plus, as commissioner of the ABA he invented the 3 point line (tho that's irrelevant on this list).
Impact is irrelevant to how Gil is building his list
Mikan is a big no. Youre going off emotion
@@KXNG_Clee the NBA’s first superstar
@@DavidPerez-re1uk so hes better skillwise than Dwight Howard? Going off your emotions my guy
Anthony Davis shouldn’t be on there man. I don’t know many of those old players but I’ve watched AD and that’s ridiculous
Barring injury he’s been the best power forward ever since he’s been in the league.. Top 3 player in the league right now! I can see him being the best player of the decade if he stays healthy..
@@jour25 ok that’s cute. You can say too 75 talents but not too 75 player of all time
@@jour25 he isn’t better than Steph, Giannis or KD right now. You could even say PG13 is better as of this moment.
Then you have Bron, Kawhi, Butler… Morant has been killing it.
Early days, but AD isn’t top 3 right now.
If this is how you view the best player of the decade? Goodness. You on doobii? Or just casual? Dont throw takes that you cannot sustain!
Too 3 player right now in the League? Simple!! Lebron, Giannis and Steph. Goat Freak and Goat! Kd did almost made it to finals but Steph is the scoring champ.
Dwight is not better then Patrick Ewing.Ewing was a beast with a jumped
I love agent 0 man 🤣🤣🤣🤣 keep going guys 🔥🔥
I disagree on the ewing vs Howard take… people forget ewing was the only reason the knicks was any good fr😂yes they had starks, mason etc but without ewing I don’t think they woulda ever made the playoffs… mans put up 28 10 and 2 with a steal and 4 blocks a game playing all 82 games🤧that’s pretty fuckin tuff lol😂
nah at dwight peak he was in the mvp decision with bron and went to finals. he was the only the magic was anything plus he got chip
@@cloud9nate752 first of all he got a chip cuz of bron and ad and that magic team was stacked.. nelson, carter, hedo turk, pietrus, redick, barnes, rashard lewis, bass, courtney lee… ewing was the only reason the knicks were even close to a playoff team😂 the magic had like 5 guys scoring in double digits dwight the highest at 20 lewis 17 nelson 16 Vince 16, Turk 16, people forget how stacked this team was… shit I did😂I thought they was for sure making the finals
@@cloud9nate752 Ewing took the Knicks to the Finals as well, finished in top 5 MVP race more times than Howard, was the much better offensive player, and anchored a top 10 defense 10x in his great career. Dawg please, D-12 is not even in Ewing's league. Ewing was so much more skilled and reliable than Alley Oop D-12 and his no low post ass game.
Gil bugging with the Ewing comparison. Ewing is better than Dwight. Ewing just played in a Era where he had better competition at his position. But numbers wise he better than Dwight in almost everything. Dwight deserves to be on that list but at the expense of other players like Rodman for sure..
I'm getting real confused at the lack of respect for Rodman. Where is this all coming from? I don't see how any rational and knowledgeable NBA fan could put Howard over Rodman. And to not even mention Nash as a questionable addition is really confusing. I get the 2MVP argument but if he was that great of a player, he should have been able to at least make it to the finals.
@@jimmyrodriguez5670 I can't take what you said about Rodman being better than Dwight serious. It's just ridiculous in so many ways. I'll just say this, name 1 year where Rodman was the best player in his team. Let me help with that NEVER.!!
16:48 lmfao "the Mikan Drill?, That's cute"
14:58 Gill: “Billy Cunningham”
Pause
Gil: Ehhh!
😂😂😂😂
Bruh one of the things says "Does Giannis belong on this list?" why is that even a question, what is gilberts problem?
He made the point early on that he doesn’t like having current players on there aside for guys like Bron and KD. Those guys are stamped. Only thing that throws me off is that he doesn’t hesitate with Harden. Harden and Giannis(taking away his chip) are sort of in that same bracket. So I don’t agree, but you can’t have one and not the other in my opinion.
With current players, you have to compare there current body of work to what others have done. If he stopped playing right now, has he done enough to be top 75? 12500 points, 5 all nbas, 5 time all star, 4 time all defense, 2 time MVP, 1 ring.
@@YoungMajorian DPOY, finals MVP
@@YoungMajorian points wise I get what you saying but accolade wise he kinda already there
Bruh it a bit early for Giannis. Dude will be if he continue and does this for another 3-5 years
If Harden only average like 20 pts this season, it just proves that his stats are inflated due to the foul rules. Then he needs to go out. Btw the All-NBA are voted on by the media too so it's not more valid than All-Star. There needs to be a player vote list. A lot of players in the 60s and 50s have inflated stats too. If anything, gotta take stats and pacing into consideration.
Chang
Your trippin if harden isn’t a top 75 player
I hated Harden for a long time, but after those back to back dunks in Draymond's face during the playoffs, I can't deny his greatness anymore. I'm still not a fan (and never will be), but to deny his greatness is to expose your ignorance of the game.
I see what he’s saying but I think the accolades, and intangibles attached to some of these players names add to them being on the list. Especially if they’re from older eras. This comes into play too if they have different roles where they defer to more dominant players on their team.
I think all nbas, your averages and totals, and finals mvps and regular season mvps should hold more weight. Maybe being a statistical champion in one of the categories should hold weight too. All individual awards and accolades.
It gets hairy when you look at influence and impact as well like being the first to do something or the best at something all time despite your stats.
This was about four Gil Best Pod I completely agree… Gotta take everybody out and start the 75 all over
You can’t just use numbers. Guys like Worthy and Parish played with other all time greats so their career individual weren’t going to be crazy. Also Vince was playing in an era with Kobe, Iverson. This is why you can’t just use one criteria. You gotta factor in a bunch of things that’s why it’s so hard to breakdown.
Vince is the greatest dunker of all time. I can't believe he doesn't just get an automatic ticket.
Defensive player of the year is important to me but its funny how the Nba says the game has changed ,players have to guard 1-5 but give defensive player of the year to Rudy gobert who i watched for years leave jokic open for three and sit under the basket. Then youre gonna say its coaching. Well they’ll never win in Utah. Bam and AD are better defensive players than Rudy Gobert.
Rudy just to slow to guard out there
Facts. Gobert is great, but he's not as versatile as an AD or a Bam.. AD is like prime KG he can lock up on the perimeter and also anchor the defense in the middle, Yet gobert always gets the nod for DPOY.
Rudy’s more of a defensive anchor than a Dpoy.. guys like Hakeem could really guard all 5 positions, Rudy can BLOCK all positions, not guard them though
U gotta post your top 75 my guy!
Where can we find gils list of his 75
Problem is guys like Gil just talk about "stats" and numbers. The greatest players debate is about accolades! Greatest in comparing era's is all about accolades. Stats are affected by rules at that particular time. Accolades are not as much if at all really.
Tracy Mcgrady is a prime example! Great stats and was a killer, but dude could never make it out the first round.
the NFL did this with their top 100.cant make the legends mad and would make the whole top 50 ceremony from back in the day pointless
Most agree with agent , but things in greatest them mean also impact on the game , plus stat
Gilbert’s objectivity is respectable