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- I Made a total war Rome 2 Faction Tier List and Ranked all the factions in there! I will be explaining the strengths and the weakness of every faction. At the End I will be Comparing the Tier list to the Linksi and Gorm Miolneer Tier List.
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Do You Guys agree with the Faction TIer List?
And which Tier List you Agree the most with: Gorm, Linksi or Mine?
And make sure to check their Vids of the Faction Tier List for Different Opinions!
Your tier list is the best but suebi should be god tier
We tested legionaries vs followers the legionaries always win also Egypt > Athens in my opinion
@@biblicalbasher7908 Hahah yeah you right!
@@lukekirkbride9166 Yeah i Agree egypte is stronger that athens but i find athens more usefull bc of the tortes
I would agree with yours! I will know check there vids out
Selucid is underrated in my opinion. They are very strong with a big variety of units. Very good in attacking and defending. For me at least "almost there".
yeah i get it! they have tortoise they have mid tiers and elites but they lack a little o good low tiers + their mid tiers (thorax are not the strongest) but yeah got the 4 syrians.
its definitely a good faction! i think on the edge of almost there and decent
@@FightMeTotalWar yes, they are missing good low tier infantry. But they have shock cavalry, melee cavalry elephants, chariots, tortoise, pikes, syrian archers, hoplites, swords.... They are ready for each situation. But I think, every player has his own ranking and maybe this makes that game so great. I liked to see your ranking, thanks for that.
Np Ehsan! you right that makes the game so nice!
Strangely Seleucid aren't period accurate in this game.
Same
Egypt is absolutely incredible. They are the only faction that can trade by sea on the east and west. The kingdoms to the south pose no threat, and the land there has gold. The variety of units for the general's body guard is just insane too. Any unit weaknesses are easily handled with mercenaries.
It was just multiplayer but in campaign the major powers are the best
Let's not forget immediate access to Iron.
I think you’re really underselling Bactria, amazing selection of cavalry and missile and while slightly lacking in infantry, they’re by no means weak in that department. They’re so hard to beat in a land battle if you use them right, I think people that say they’re bad just don’t necessarily know how best to use them cuz they’re a very unique faction, they don’t play as a typical Hellenistic or eastern faction. They have strong melee and shock cav and pretty good archer cav, a wide selection of archers and javelinmen, royal guard hoplites kinda suck but thorax swords and scale hoplites hold their own
they also have elephants
They are all- rounders like Selucids. Realy strong faction.
Also really strong early game economy just get an army of mid tier units and those Persian archers.
Agreed. Baktria can run much like the Sassanids in the old BI. Hammer and anvil works very well.
I'm surprised you ranked Lusitani so low, I agree they can get gunned down easily, but like you say, once they're in combat, they can tear shit up. Very much an enemy you need to keep at arms length as often as you can
yeah you definitely need to social distance from lusitani :)
I think both of the Iberian tribes (Arevaci and Lusitani) are actually really fucking good but you need a good player to do well with them because of their big vulnerabilities. Once they get into the fight though they kick ass.
They’re similar to the Odrysian Kingdom in a way but less risky imo. All have similar playstyles with Arevaci being the “safest”, Lusitani being the riskier but not riskiEST, and Odrysians having the biggest potential for absolute ass kicking but also being incredibly risky
I think he ranking them on how good they are generally but he also mentioned new players when talking about galatia so I don't think their a good faction in that context
Massilia on campaign is an entirely different experience than multiplayer battles. The massilian hoplites are expensive but can pin the enemy for a long time, and gaul units in the ranks makes this faction very versatile.
In all my campaigns Massalia has always been a power house
I think you're underselling the importance of having melee-capable ranged units. It's not often, but I have turned the tide of major battles by having my ammoless archers charge into the fray. I mean, imagine if when your archers were done they turned into melee infantry? Also in my experience playing with the smallest unit sizes on my laptop sometimes just a few of the enemy cavalrymen can manage to push their way through my line past the rest of their unit and melee capable archers can make the difference between your archers stopping for just a few seconds or your archers stopping long enough for the entire enemy infantry force to arrive at the front unscathed
Siege and open field battles make civs behave very differently. Maybe it should need 2 separate tier lists
Very helpful and nice presentation with in-game units well done
Thanks Man!❤
Yo I've been playing Rome 2 for many years but only campaigns, I recently in the last few months started playing MP siege battles and I gotta say it's really fun so far. Still get my ass kicked a lot but I hold my own in most games now, your videos have helped me so much. I used to not understand why certain units were destroying me and your videos really helped me understand a lot of that.
Yeah thats important to understand and know! Glad to have helped
Very good of you to include other's opinions at the end of the video! Class act.
❤️🤝
I disagree with many choices you made that i dont have the space to describe, but the fact that made me angry , is that Seleucid and Macedon are not god factions ... They literally have everything you need to win in the game . The only bad thing for Seleucid is their bad strategic beginning on the map , being surrounded from many strong factions who hate them , despite the fact that they have their clients...
I think is a mp focused list
Pergamon is also my favorite, and Agema Spears are so nice. They look cool, their unit card is cool, their name is cool and they're usefull. I always feel like I get more value out of my Hippeus lancers on Pergamon.
Feel like I would have placed Iceni much higher but that's my personal bias I think. I just feel like their chariots alone just put them above and in a good position especially when they start off on the map dealing with just barb factions that literally can not deal with chariots at all
Edit: realized only halfway through this tier list was specific to multi-player battles which I know nothing about and don't partake in. My bad. Also appreciate how you put the other two channel tier list at the end. I liked how different they all were and how the different views of different players can validate different factions in different ways
yeah everyone has their factions which they love! But yeah those chariots can be really useful but u got to watch out for pila and arrows!
there not that good
Great video! very informative, thank you :)
Np man glad you enjoyed it!
Loved this video, helped me choosing my next faction
Glad I could help!
No man.., you blew it...
Don't judge a unit because of the price, but for how it does in the battlefield!!!
You flammed some pretty good factions because of that.
I'm currently playing as Macedon and I realy like their pikemen units. I managed to beat Outhsworn units from barbaric factions with minimal losses. Plus their cavalary selection is awsome.
I do think Seleucid should be on Almost there tier really, the fact that they can spam syrian archer is just so good and the silver shield swordsmen is surprisingly pretty damn good too. if used right, silver shield can beat oath sworn 1v1. Another downside aside from lacking low tier melee infantry is they lack mid tier heavy melee cav, but that doesn't matter much in siege.
ye true, bot sure about the 1vs1 with the oath tho
@@FightMeTotalWar the keyword is "used right" because if you just charge them in 1v1, they will just straight up lose xd
ye haha
I love how every time you say axemen the subtitles say "X-Men" (and thorax => "four eggs")
Hahah lol did not reallise
Great video, we al have our preferences , lusitani are pretty good in my book. just form a line and charge!
Thanks Frits! yeah thats also true! But I also think of the risks of a faction and lusitony is very risky in eyes
Nice overview i just have found now. In general i find the CA factions more interesting the the Mehh rated once. But i understand your reasoning. Great video.
Fair enough! Thanks AN!
The list you made is serously rated at multiplayer. In single player especially factions like Crimea have options to make vassels from which they can supplement their ranks. And easily get kick ass armies. Something barbarians lack.
Thanks for the vid!
NP Glad you enjoyed it!
I think why Kush is so op and banned online is because people tend to just go ultra or even more than ultra in terms of funds so their one downside is totally countered out lol.
Yeah I 100% agree! for ultra funds its strong! but for large funds it will become more balanced
Actually I’m impressed. Good video willum thank u :)
Thanks for the Kind words! Yeah I really did my best on this one!
@@FightMeTotalWar pog u
Macedon straight up wins against seleucids and the other successors. Best pikes(highest attack), best shock cav (slow cataphracts < fast companion cav), elephants only good against rome or sword heavy infantry factions + easly countered by flaming arrows. The only thing you can do against macedon is skirmishers since macedon pikes has the worst armor 70 I think, while silver shields have 100! But since you have the best shock cav you can just run down ranged units ez after beating the enemy cav. You finish the battle with the good old hammer and anvil.
Yeah I can understand your thoughts! but against competitive players using pikes and cav will be hard, bc its easy to counter. and against infantry based factions like boii tylis galatia rome etc you will have a hard time.
Bro r u dreaming ? Epirus,egypt have best pikes hellenic royal guard
Seleucids have really good melee infantry, archers, and heavy cavalry as well. Anyone who knows how to play as them can easily counter Phalanx formation.
Online Battles usually follow the rule 124 = 1 Artillery unit, 2 Pike units, 4 Missile units
Some add 7 there aswell, and it means you can only pick 7 Thorax Swordmen or Spartan Hoplite etc.
V well made n constructed vid. Thanks. The odrision luminary should be a tier up I think tho cos CA purposely made them high risk high reward scary factions. N selucid should defo be an almost there faction.
Thanks Toasty! yeah u right, but odrysia is just really risky in competitive game and it never gets pick bc its to risky compare to the rest that why we have it that low on the tier list to make it more attractive.
@@FightMeTotalWar yeah I get where ur coming from ;) I just say that cos sometimes it is fun to take that risk n sometimes it pays off bigtime.
n that should have said lusitani not luminary.
U should do a DEI ( the rome 2 mod ) tier list if ur into that.
yeah i could maybe do that indeed in the futur!
I know the focus is on land armies but I would bump Kush up over barbarian tribes because they have a better fleet. If you play them right you can rush Egypt and aksum at the beginning given you a great start to your campaign
Oh oke didnt know they had a strong fleet! interesting!
I would rate egypte a little higher than athens because of the Karin axemen, egypte also gets the extra nubian which is useful.
Yeah I totally Agree, but i was thinking a little to competitive bc of the tortes but yeah i think egypte roster is way stronger yeah but tortes do be really usefull!
@@FightMeTotalWar fair enough, it would mainly be on my experience with barb maps.
yeah i think i have to agree that egypte is stronger than athens on barb maps!
Thats really good opinion,keep it
you said you use royal spartans and archers for sparta? never discovered how good pikemen are?
Great video!, i agree with most, but man, those northen cavalry factions, such as royal scythia can just kill any troop you want. Put them on skirmish mode + strong arrows and they can beat anyone
I thibk you are underselling cimmeria. They have very strong elite hoplites which have high killing potential and they also have very decent mid tier hoplites. They also have the best archers in the entire game. Where they do lack is that they have no sword infantry and their cav is lacking but besides that they are strong
Nice vid just watched it now… its a litle long for my atention span
thx haha
Nice vid!
Thanks Peter!
baktrien may not have the best units but it has the sick bonus of having -100% penalty on public order when you take over a city so basicly you never have to worry about any sort of rebellion be it the overthrown faction or slaves
This ranking is clearly based on sieges in multiplayer.
Question is: why did you entirely omit open field battles?
As a getae enjoyer I have to shill for them a second. I think, personally, that the falxmen shoulda gotten a mention here cause they are super important to making a good mid table army, as the trick is to mix in high quality with low quality to make up for the lack of good mid tier options. (guideline not a rule). This is how I have had the most success with them as they are basically the faction I one trick in MP. You can out charge a surprising amount of shock cav, and they are there fore great as supports for your flanks. The only issue is that it's difficult to deal with skirmishers with their roster, cause you have no Celtic spearmen equivalent.
I must strongly disagree. Specially about Seleucid, Nabatea, and Maessyli.
1. Seleucid have variety of every type of units, which are also good. You don't need to focuse on Phalanx, you can go with different type of strategy.
They got really good cavalry, archers, good melee and one of the best pikemen(if not the best one).
All that also makes Seleucid balanced enough to fight every single faction.
2. Nabatea got not only desert hoplites, but also good cavalry (shock, skrimisher, etc.). Not mentioning the pikemen, decent infantry roaster, and archer unit.
You're not stuck to use one type of strategy(unlike Massylia, Athens, or Syracuse), and its good balanced.
3. Maessyli (Aka Numidia) beside not having archers, has one of the best variety of units I experienced so far. Having both noble infantry and legionnaire units later on with good cavalry and peltasts makes it pretty much op, even against Rome.
Also, you can spam cheap slave warriors if you feel like it, both mp and campaign.
What’s the best way to use Roman missile units? I’m not too much a fan of javelin as my ranged option so I’m curious. I’m not a well versed Rome 2 player so I appreciate the advice y’all!
The javelins need to be used on a flank (best on left flank to hit the non shield side of your enemy unit)
Slingers just got to sling at everything they can
@@FightMeTotalWar okay yeah I usually put the skrimishers in front of the line infantry like I would slingers or archers! Makes sense though thank you
Never put them on the front and always place them in the flanks. Leave the javelin front line throwing to your roman infantry. Place your javelins to the flanks, to target non shielded or enemy ranged (but I would recommend targeting melee enemies instead), leave the archer sniping to sligers. Javelin can also be used to either cancel or weaken enemy cav charge. Javelin can also kill Elephants before they can even reach your lines. Basically, Javelins are like shotguns, they do deadly damage, but they need to be close and to attack where it hurts. Don't use them as a regular ranged since they won't work that way, they can do damage to shielded units but they don't have enough ammo to damage them enough, they also don't have the range to beat archers and slingers, so their best use is from the sides.
Bro you got the Syrian Archers
@@user-gp4rz1vz4y yeah only once you’ve built auxiliary barracks in Syria too bad that isn’t the case in the beginning. I more meant jav units as that’s what you start with.
What is this tier list based on? Is it based on campaign or multiplayer?
Mostly multiplayer
what are 4 x hoplites?
any faction with pikes is god tier. pike wall ftw. get 16 pike infantry and 4 missiles, make a rectangle pike wall and put the missile units in the middle. (disable skirmish) there's no way you can lose a battle to ai with this setup even if they have a combined army of 4k men
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Ranking Massilia and not taking Massilian hoplites into account is crazy.
Bactria definitely has tortises; their heavy shock cavalry is also top notch
Egypt has a amazing unit roster
I was Sad with Arevci they are so good I beat rome in a 1v1 land battle was pretty close though and Scutari are insane for there price. I love Masealili or as I call them Desert Rome I love there cav and infantry.
If this is for siege battle my only problems have to do with my playstyle vs yours, so great no notes. But if this is for land battle omg, we have problems, too many to go into!
its for sieges ye
Why do you think Baktrian Royal Guard is a bad unit? That unit has Expert Charge Defense plus Frenzied Charge, so you can either charge pretty hard yourself or reflect the damage to a strong shock cavalry or infantry charge . It's my favourite hoplite unit in the game. I think the combination of horse archers/ good skirmirshing cav and heavy hoplites is pretty deadly, imo Bactria is a hell of a faction, at least for campaign.
That said, I really like your tier list.
bactria is indeed a fun faction specially for land battles, but i will have to disagree with the bactian royal guard
I totally disagree with you, Baktrian Royal guard is really that bad
- low melee defense for elite hoplite.
- Not using elite hoplite spear (this is their biggest down fall)
- frenzy charge is next to useless because of high fatigue penalty.
@@TheBikeOnTheMoon I agree that the low armour penetration of their spear is a drawback in comparison to other elite hoplites, but Frenzy Charge is really useful for me. Obviously you don't want an exhausted unit to keep fighting. What I do is a cyclo charge, sending second line reinforcements when the Frenzy Charge bonus fades. That works well for me.
@@alejandrop.s.3942 If you have your gen with 2nd wind ability, I think using frenzy charge once would be fine.
@@TheBikeOnTheMoonidk if you know this, but frenzied charge makes units impossible to route while active. So it’s an amazing skill to use when it’s late in the match and your unit is wavering
should this not be named as faction tier for seiges? cuz some of the faction ranking are off for pitches
Ye thats true
Sickk!!
Thx!
I assume that this all rank thinking with (large) funds? I'm just clarifying for the people who don't quite understand why you're weighting mid-tiers in the ranking so heavy.
Yes Indeed! so not ultra Funds but Large funds! Thanks for the clarification!👍
Impressive!
Thanks Janson!
I think you are looking down on both Baktria and Arvorny
What's the difference between Athens and Syracuse? Aren't they the same?
one has samnites one has cretan archers
I think you might want to make it clear this is focused on MP battles. Maybe make another list focused on campaign, because the list would look radically different then. Still, nice list!
Ye true thanks tho!
@@FightMeTotalWar Think you'd be willing to make one for campaign, actually? Would definitely watch :D
ye for in the future
Parthia and Armenia are top tier factions on open field battles, I have won pretty much all battles against Rome with them just by cavalry superiority
yeah they def stand out in land battles! but i find them a little to bad on sieges and there are still other factions that could possibly beat them on land battles like: colchis, pontus, nabatea, etc but i get what you mean for sure!
That means you are really lucky
If you bring too much calv, your opponent will just box
Yeah true!
@@scorpiontdalpha9799 Mmmmm... I don't think so, that's literally what bad players do. You just need archer superiority too, what is easy to get with parthian foot and horse archers with just enought infantry to hold a bit, in general people don't expect infantry non focused armies. To be completely sincere this is something hard to pull off, you need to micro manage your army a lot, but still posible and has very satisfying results.
yeah indeed!
Seleucid should be right after Rome, and after that should be Parthia.
Next are Arverni if you know how to play
No way man my favorite is parthia i guess i got really good at using arrow horsemen from the huns in attila.
Sucsessor Kingdoms are one of the strongest. They aren't as strong in melee infantry department unlike Rome or "Barbarians" but they have pikes and good cavalry.
Massegatea with them archer horse is a menace.
Yeah true!
No no. Suebi needs to be on the god tier with Rome. Why? Because of the CLUB LEVY
This seems to be the siege battle tier list
Yeah its more focused on siege battles indeed
3 min in still agreeing also another quality video
Thanks Gorm! btw did you fixed the streaming problem?
Nope either the internet is crap out here. My pc may have been damaged in the move. The drives could also be getting old. it's just odd cause it will be fine for a while and then bam lag stream or not
yeah thats unfortunate!
Do a tierlist for Attila too
Oeh yeah maybe in the future yes, am now a little busy with exams so there will be shorter videos up, but in 2 weeks longer videos will be uploaded :)
Every time I play Octavian’s Rome I just roleplay simp for cleopatra to piss off mark antony
Hahaha simp😜
Sad Roxolani noises...
But, happy Getae noises.
an open battle tier list would be so different
yeah true!
@@FightMeTotalWar could you make one plsss
yeah i def can in the soon future I will make more Rome 2 vids
Can you play all fraction straight away
U got to buy dlc
Persia have all selucid units i guess coz i fought against them in campaign. I think rome is OP but any pikeman nation can beat rome easy in right hands
pretty accurate ngl
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total war version mobile or pc, plz answer my questions
It isnt really a question But Yes There is a Total war rome on mobile
In fact, most of the time, the Parthians crushed the Roman armies, like Crassus, despite having much fewer people
Historical indeed, but in rome 2 Parthia is alright but not top tier
romans were unexperienced back then it all quickly changed when Julius came into control
You did broke my heart with Parthia
SRY
@@FightMeTotalWar let's take it to battleground meet me at plain field im on horse back and you on foot sounds good?😂
You should rate campaign faction bonuses
Yeah that could be interesting! This was little more focused on multiplayer and the unit roster strengths.
I've gotta strongly disagree with Bactria. Strongly. I've played a few campaigns with them and dominated fairly easily. If you think they are that bad, you're probably playing them wrong
I dont think they are bad i just think there are more stronger factions compared to bactria
In Multiplayer Baktria is amazing. I've won so many battles with them
Ithink this video is meant for online and not campaign against ai 😅
Bactria is cool because you can run the phalanx / horse archer combo. But their units do have some serious flaws.
egypt is a god faction atleast in single player i love them they have counter to almost everything you put against them
XD just got to the end XD I may have to redo my list its a bit outdated.
Yeah, but its still useful for people to go to your vid and check your opinion i think but yeah you could do an other one for sure! XD
Did this Bruv really put parthia into meh 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀
colquis better than lusitani?? Galatia better that Egypt? cmon men
Is this ranking for multiplayer?
mostly yeah but for few factions it will be similar for the campaign
I win a lot of battles with the dory’s Ian’s and everyone calls them shit there not they have good sword’s and they have good cab good archers and good mercenaries(spear wise)
The stepp factions are way better then you say they are I've never lost using them against people and you don't need to full Sally with them if u team with saba use the drako to cycle masagat marauders and your cav that combo will usually kill 3 full units per a marauder
yeah that could be indeed really strong its just something personal, when i see the steppe factions its always just disturbing hahah but overall could be used in different ways indeed
The main issue with the steppe factions is because they all cavalry they suffer with sieges and you're quite limited, I just think that of all the factions you can use they are definitely bottom of the barrel
bro loves his tortoises
Yes sir very important in multi
I waited until he got to sparta
in my last carthage campaign, rome was destroyed by syracuse and etruscs
Really?! That’s like one in a million chance haga
@@FightMeTotalWar not really lol i did some campaings and in most of them Rome gets destroyed by AI.
Massagetae horribly underrated. I disagree with a lot of your placements, actually. Still, a very interesting video.
yeah they can be a really strong faction! but i personally dislike them, bc when i play against them i get irritated bc its really annoying and if i play the faction my self i feel bad for the other players.
but yeah its for sure a really strong faction!
Hope u enjoyed it!
I assume this is for multiplayer only?
Yes its mostly for units of the factions
Thats what funny about kush there power is there weakness but i think its stronger than carthage.
Haha yeah true!
great vis but you gotta turn that music down bro
Retitle this as "Rankings for new/casual players". Veteran players would see this board change up quite a bit (Baktria 100% worse than Athens? Have you used them properly? The strategy's not even that difficult!). Not a complaint as it's your opinion and your video.
Baktria got bullied so hard 😂💀💀💀🔥🔥🔥
😂😂
Colchis S tier if you want a challenge.
Kush is God tier simply because THC
Rome Op. Fax
Start of the video Rome is god tier. Well considering the name of the game it makes sense😂
Tylis,Boi,Saba,parthia ,armenia, kush are god tier for pvp. God tier players picking these factions. Rome, averni, massaesi, avaraci, nervi, slevkos, galatia gatae, epir almost tier
ah yes, the 1 2 4 siege tier list that has no place in land battles or competitive mp
Haha yeah its more focused on siege battles, but its also for competitive mp siege battles
Macedon in both Total Wars, Mainly R2TW, didn't accurately depict Alexanders Army - Or even the Macedonian Elite Infantry (Not RoYaL pElTaS) such as the Hypaspists, an ELITE Guard Unit ("In terms of weaponry, they were probably equipped in the style of a traditional Greek hoplite with a thrusting spear or doru (shorter and less unwieldy than the sarissa) and a large round shield. As well as this, they would have carried a sword, either a xiphos or a kopis") or the fact that they had HORSE ARCHERS IN REAL LIFE (Alexander Hired Mercenary Horse Archers to Defeat the Indian Army at the Battle of Hydaspes - Similar to how Rome has mercenary Syrian Archers). Lastly, Companion Cav Sucks in R2TW, Did they nerf it because they were the best Cav in RTW - Companion Cav literally conquered the known world. Macedon Should've and could've been an elite faction with the addition of historical units.