Do You Guys agree with the Faction TIer List? And which Tier List you Agree the most with: Gorm, Linksi or Mine? And make sure to check their Vids of the Faction Tier List for Different Opinions!
Selucid is underrated in my opinion. They are very strong with a big variety of units. Very good in attacking and defending. For me at least "almost there".
yeah i get it! they have tortoise they have mid tiers and elites but they lack a little o good low tiers + their mid tiers (thorax are not the strongest) but yeah got the 4 syrians. its definitely a good faction! i think on the edge of almost there and decent
@@FightMeTotalWar yes, they are missing good low tier infantry. But they have shock cavalry, melee cavalry elephants, chariots, tortoise, pikes, syrian archers, hoplites, swords.... They are ready for each situation. But I think, every player has his own ranking and maybe this makes that game so great. I liked to see your ranking, thanks for that.
Egypt is absolutely incredible. They are the only faction that can trade by sea on the east and west. The kingdoms to the south pose no threat, and the land there has gold. The variety of units for the general's body guard is just insane too. Any unit weaknesses are easily handled with mercenaries.
I think you’re really underselling Bactria, amazing selection of cavalry and missile and while slightly lacking in infantry, they’re by no means weak in that department. They’re so hard to beat in a land battle if you use them right, I think people that say they’re bad just don’t necessarily know how best to use them cuz they’re a very unique faction, they don’t play as a typical Hellenistic or eastern faction. They have strong melee and shock cav and pretty good archer cav, a wide selection of archers and javelinmen, royal guard hoplites kinda suck but thorax swords and scale hoplites hold their own
I'm surprised you ranked Lusitani so low, I agree they can get gunned down easily, but like you say, once they're in combat, they can tear shit up. Very much an enemy you need to keep at arms length as often as you can
I think both of the Iberian tribes (Arevaci and Lusitani) are actually really fucking good but you need a good player to do well with them because of their big vulnerabilities. Once they get into the fight though they kick ass. They’re similar to the Odrysian Kingdom in a way but less risky imo. All have similar playstyles with Arevaci being the “safest”, Lusitani being the riskier but not riskiEST, and Odrysians having the biggest potential for absolute ass kicking but also being incredibly risky
I think he ranking them on how good they are generally but he also mentioned new players when talking about galatia so I don't think their a good faction in that context
Lusitani is the first faction I am having success with. Something he did not mention at all is starting position. Lusitani has nothing to fear from the West. I made allies with Carthage and Nova Charthago, so I did not need to worry about the south. I could push and hold territory because all my forces were going north and east.
Massilia on campaign is an entirely different experience than multiplayer battles. The massilian hoplites are expensive but can pin the enemy for a long time, and gaul units in the ranks makes this faction very versatile.
I think you're underselling the importance of having melee-capable ranged units. It's not often, but I have turned the tide of major battles by having my ammoless archers charge into the fray. I mean, imagine if when your archers were done they turned into melee infantry? Also in my experience playing with the smallest unit sizes on my laptop sometimes just a few of the enemy cavalrymen can manage to push their way through my line past the rest of their unit and melee capable archers can make the difference between your archers stopping for just a few seconds or your archers stopping long enough for the entire enemy infantry force to arrive at the front unscathed
No man.., you blew it... Don't judge a unit because of the price, but for how it does in the battlefield!!! You flammed some pretty good factions because of that.
I'm currently playing as Macedon and I realy like their pikemen units. I managed to beat Outhsworn units from barbaric factions with minimal losses. Plus their cavalary selection is awsome.
I disagree with many choices you made that i dont have the space to describe, but the fact that made me angry , is that Seleucid and Macedon are not god factions ... They literally have everything you need to win in the game . The only bad thing for Seleucid is their bad strategic beginning on the map , being surrounded from many strong factions who hate them , despite the fact that they have their clients...
Macedon straight up wins against seleucids and the other successors. Best pikes(highest attack), best shock cav (slow cataphracts < fast companion cav), elephants only good against rome or sword heavy infantry factions + easly countered by flaming arrows. The only thing you can do against macedon is skirmishers since macedon pikes has the worst armor 70 I think, while silver shields have 100! But since you have the best shock cav you can just run down ranged units ez after beating the enemy cav. You finish the battle with the good old hammer and anvil.
Yeah I can understand your thoughts! but against competitive players using pikes and cav will be hard, bc its easy to counter. and against infantry based factions like boii tylis galatia rome etc you will have a hard time.
Seleucids have really good melee infantry, archers, and heavy cavalry as well. Anyone who knows how to play as them can easily counter Phalanx formation.
Online Battles usually follow the rule 124 = 1 Artillery unit, 2 Pike units, 4 Missile units Some add 7 there aswell, and it means you can only pick 7 Thorax Swordmen or Spartan Hoplite etc.
I do think Seleucid should be on Almost there tier really, the fact that they can spam syrian archer is just so good and the silver shield swordsmen is surprisingly pretty damn good too. if used right, silver shield can beat oath sworn 1v1. Another downside aside from lacking low tier melee infantry is they lack mid tier heavy melee cav, but that doesn't matter much in siege.
Yo I've been playing Rome 2 for many years but only campaigns, I recently in the last few months started playing MP siege battles and I gotta say it's really fun so far. Still get my ass kicked a lot but I hold my own in most games now, your videos have helped me so much. I used to not understand why certain units were destroying me and your videos really helped me understand a lot of that.
Feel like I would have placed Iceni much higher but that's my personal bias I think. I just feel like their chariots alone just put them above and in a good position especially when they start off on the map dealing with just barb factions that literally can not deal with chariots at all Edit: realized only halfway through this tier list was specific to multi-player battles which I know nothing about and don't partake in. My bad. Also appreciate how you put the other two channel tier list at the end. I liked how different they all were and how the different views of different players can validate different factions in different ways
I love my Iceni Chariots charges! I do wish they kept more momentum on impact. I do have to wait for the main line to engage first and it sucks seeing them get targeted and then melted or frontal charging rome and the waves of pila nullifying them >.< lost all 6 regiments without any real gain, was a painful lesson.
I think why Kush is so op and banned online is because people tend to just go ultra or even more than ultra in terms of funds so their one downside is totally countered out lol.
Yeah I totally Agree, but i was thinking a little to competitive bc of the tortes but yeah i think egypte roster is way stronger yeah but tortes do be really usefull!
The list you made is serously rated at multiplayer. In single player especially factions like Crimea have options to make vassels from which they can supplement their ranks. And easily get kick ass armies. Something barbarians lack.
Pergamon is also my favorite, and Agema Spears are so nice. They look cool, their unit card is cool, their name is cool and they're usefull. I always feel like I get more value out of my Hippeus lancers on Pergamon.
Nice overview i just have found now. In general i find the CA factions more interesting the the Mehh rated once. But i understand your reasoning. Great video.
I must strongly disagree. Specially about Seleucid, Nabatea, and Maessyli. 1. Seleucid have variety of every type of units, which are also good. You don't need to focuse on Phalanx, you can go with different type of strategy. They got really good cavalry, archers, good melee and one of the best pikemen(if not the best one). All that also makes Seleucid balanced enough to fight every single faction. 2. Nabatea got not only desert hoplites, but also good cavalry (shock, skrimisher, etc.). Not mentioning the pikemen, decent infantry roaster, and archer unit. You're not stuck to use one type of strategy(unlike Massylia, Athens, or Syracuse), and its good balanced. 3. Maessyli (Aka Numidia) beside not having archers, has one of the best variety of units I experienced so far. Having both noble infantry and legionnaire units later on with good cavalry and peltasts makes it pretty much op, even against Rome. Also, you can spam cheap slave warriors if you feel like it, both mp and campaign.
any faction with pikes is god tier. pike wall ftw. get 16 pike infantry and 4 missiles, make a rectangle pike wall and put the missile units in the middle. (disable skirmish) there's no way you can lose a battle to ai with this setup even if they have a combined army of 4k men
I think you might want to make it clear this is focused on MP battles. Maybe make another list focused on campaign, because the list would look radically different then. Still, nice list!
yeah they def stand out in land battles! but i find them a little to bad on sieges and there are still other factions that could possibly beat them on land battles like: colchis, pontus, nabatea, etc but i get what you mean for sure!
@@scorpiontdalpha9799 Mmmmm... I don't think so, that's literally what bad players do. You just need archer superiority too, what is easy to get with parthian foot and horse archers with just enought infantry to hold a bit, in general people don't expect infantry non focused armies. To be completely sincere this is something hard to pull off, you need to micro manage your army a lot, but still posible and has very satisfying results.
I've gotta strongly disagree with Bactria. Strongly. I've played a few campaigns with them and dominated fairly easily. If you think they are that bad, you're probably playing them wrong
V well made n constructed vid. Thanks. The odrision luminary should be a tier up I think tho cos CA purposely made them high risk high reward scary factions. N selucid should defo be an almost there faction.
Thanks Toasty! yeah u right, but odrysia is just really risky in competitive game and it never gets pick bc its to risky compare to the rest that why we have it that low on the tier list to make it more attractive.
@@FightMeTotalWar yeah I get where ur coming from ;) I just say that cos sometimes it is fun to take that risk n sometimes it pays off bigtime. n that should have said lusitani not luminary. U should do a DEI ( the rome 2 mod ) tier list if ur into that.
"They got 80 armour which is bit bad" "They got 80 armour which is really stable" Which is it? Just a honest question, i understand if its good or bad depends on the unit its on. But, is 80 armour alot or not alot of armour?
Great video!, i agree with most, but man, those northen cavalry factions, such as royal scythia can just kill any troop you want. Put them on skirmish mode + strong arrows and they can beat anyone
baktrien may not have the best units but it has the sick bonus of having -100% penalty on public order when you take over a city so basicly you never have to worry about any sort of rebellion be it the overthrown faction or slaves
I know the focus is on land armies but I would bump Kush up over barbarian tribes because they have a better fleet. If you play them right you can rush Egypt and aksum at the beginning given you a great start to your campaign
Why do you think Baktrian Royal Guard is a bad unit? That unit has Expert Charge Defense plus Frenzied Charge, so you can either charge pretty hard yourself or reflect the damage to a strong shock cavalry or infantry charge . It's my favourite hoplite unit in the game. I think the combination of horse archers/ good skirmirshing cav and heavy hoplites is pretty deadly, imo Bactria is a hell of a faction, at least for campaign. That said, I really like your tier list.
I totally disagree with you, Baktrian Royal guard is really that bad - low melee defense for elite hoplite. - Not using elite hoplite spear (this is their biggest down fall) - frenzy charge is next to useless because of high fatigue penalty.
@@TheBikeOnTheMoon I agree that the low armour penetration of their spear is a drawback in comparison to other elite hoplites, but Frenzy Charge is really useful for me. Obviously you don't want an exhausted unit to keep fighting. What I do is a cyclo charge, sending second line reinforcements when the Frenzy Charge bonus fades. That works well for me.
@@TheBikeOnTheMoonidk if you know this, but frenzied charge makes units impossible to route while active. So it’s an amazing skill to use when it’s late in the match and your unit is wavering
I thibk you are underselling cimmeria. They have very strong elite hoplites which have high killing potential and they also have very decent mid tier hoplites. They also have the best archers in the entire game. Where they do lack is that they have no sword infantry and their cav is lacking but besides that they are strong
As a getae enjoyer I have to shill for them a second. I think, personally, that the falxmen shoulda gotten a mention here cause they are super important to making a good mid table army, as the trick is to mix in high quality with low quality to make up for the lack of good mid tier options. (guideline not a rule). This is how I have had the most success with them as they are basically the faction I one trick in MP. You can out charge a surprising amount of shock cav, and they are there fore great as supports for your flanks. The only issue is that it's difficult to deal with skirmishers with their roster, cause you have no Celtic spearmen equivalent.
If this is for siege battle my only problems have to do with my playstyle vs yours, so great no notes. But if this is for land battle omg, we have problems, too many to go into!
Retitle this as "Rankings for new/casual players". Veteran players would see this board change up quite a bit (Baktria 100% worse than Athens? Have you used them properly? The strategy's not even that difficult!). Not a complaint as it's your opinion and your video.
yeah they can be a really strong faction! but i personally dislike them, bc when i play against them i get irritated bc its really annoying and if i play the faction my self i feel bad for the other players. but yeah its for sure a really strong faction! Hope u enjoyed it!
I assume that this all rank thinking with (large) funds? I'm just clarifying for the people who don't quite understand why you're weighting mid-tiers in the ranking so heavy.
It seems that the factions that specialize in using cavalry are not appreciated by you, they are difficult factions and require superior personal skills not for new players. But I quite agree with your ratings, except for Pegamon and Athens. Sorry my english is not very good!
Well he never said that he didnt like them, its just that they are one dimensional which makes them predictable, a big negative in competitive multiplayer. As a singleplayer noob :) I like those faction because they force you to change your playstyle and are refreshing BUT that doesnt change the fact that I will have a way harder time playing a cav only faction than playing a versatile faction
@@FightMeTotalWar I was once of the same mind, that cavalry factions are trash and OP infantry factions are OP. That all changed when I took one of my legions up against an army of 20 units of cavalry. Since then, I have learned, if you make an army of 20 units of GOOD cavalry, the ONLY thing that can hold you back is a walled city. These days, I only play factions with good cavalry and I usually make 40-50% of my armies entirely out of cavalry. I've done this as both Nabataea on GC and Parthia on IA and it's like putting the game on easy mode
@@mitchellgiles6869 Think you and many others have missed the point of the tier list. It's a list based on the factions strength in multiplayer, not when facing against AI or the campaign. In multiplayer, where there are often rules limiting your budget and what you can bring to the battle, cavalry factions are just not effective against real players because they're very predictable and easy to plan for.
I was Sad with Arevci they are so good I beat rome in a 1v1 land battle was pretty close though and Scutari are insane for there price. I love Masealili or as I call them Desert Rome I love there cav and infantry.
Sucsessor Kingdoms are one of the strongest. They aren't as strong in melee infantry department unlike Rome or "Barbarians" but they have pikes and good cavalry.
I'm going to be honest, Ardiaei is not a good faction. The only good units they have are the noble hoplites. That's it. It's one of the weakest factions in the entire game. I have compared them, and they stood no chance against almost all the other factions. They were almost like a warm-up.
Nope either the internet is crap out here. My pc may have been damaged in the move. The drives could also be getting old. it's just odd cause it will be fine for a while and then bam lag stream or not
What’s the best way to use Roman missile units? I’m not too much a fan of javelin as my ranged option so I’m curious. I’m not a well versed Rome 2 player so I appreciate the advice y’all!
The javelins need to be used on a flank (best on left flank to hit the non shield side of your enemy unit) Slingers just got to sling at everything they can
Never put them on the front and always place them in the flanks. Leave the javelin front line throwing to your roman infantry. Place your javelins to the flanks, to target non shielded or enemy ranged (but I would recommend targeting melee enemies instead), leave the archer sniping to sligers. Javelin can also be used to either cancel or weaken enemy cav charge. Javelin can also kill Elephants before they can even reach your lines. Basically, Javelins are like shotguns, they do deadly damage, but they need to be close and to attack where it hurts. Don't use them as a regular ranged since they won't work that way, they can do damage to shielded units but they don't have enough ammo to damage them enough, they also don't have the range to beat archers and slingers, so their best use is from the sides.
@@مؤيدابواليل yeah only once you’ve built auxiliary barracks in Syria too bad that isn’t the case in the beginning. I more meant jav units as that’s what you start with.
@@FightMeTotalWar ahhhhh that's why... nope it's just been me and my cpu in a box [aka whatever room I'm in] playing forever.. never done MP in Total War
Persia have all selucid units i guess coz i fought against them in campaign. I think rome is OP but any pikeman nation can beat rome easy in right hands
The stepp factions are way better then you say they are I've never lost using them against people and you don't need to full Sally with them if u team with saba use the drako to cycle masagat marauders and your cav that combo will usually kill 3 full units per a marauder
yeah that could be indeed really strong its just something personal, when i see the steppe factions its always just disturbing hahah but overall could be used in different ways indeed
The main issue with the steppe factions is because they all cavalry they suffer with sieges and you're quite limited, I just think that of all the factions you can use they are definitely bottom of the barrel
I can't see why you have ranked Syracuse so much lower than Athens. They have the same troops other than the mercenaries. Ranking lower than all the rest because of creten archers when they have samnites and the different mercenary cav
Bruh why are seleucids ranked decent? They are almost there at min or even god tier dude almost as good as Rome. They have every unit that you can want to win, they can easy shit on Rome if you play them well. And their elite pikemen has most base armor of any other pike unit dude they can tank missile for days wtf you underrate Seleucid too much
@@FightMeTotalWar You could try elite spam them their elite swordsman can do work and has shield wall aloot of defence and also has high weapon damage. And Azat knight are one of the best cavalry in game for that money. They deffinetly deserve to be in top at least of all other greek nations just because of how many units they have and i even forgot elephants and they can also build tortoise for seige. If Rome is banned in pvp like normaly is the case , not many can beat them easy.
@@FightMeTotalWar and realy those silver pike men are best in game both for pvp and pve even bots like too shoot pikes with arrows and they can tank so much you wouldnt beleive expetialy in campaign when you upgrade them to golden equipment.
Do You Guys agree with the Faction TIer List?
And which Tier List you Agree the most with: Gorm, Linksi or Mine?
And make sure to check their Vids of the Faction Tier List for Different Opinions!
Your tier list is the best but suebi should be god tier
We tested legionaries vs followers the legionaries always win also Egypt > Athens in my opinion
@@biblicalbasher7908 Hahah yeah you right!
@@lukekirkbride9166 Yeah i Agree egypte is stronger that athens but i find athens more usefull bc of the tortes
I would agree with yours! I will know check there vids out
Selucid is underrated in my opinion. They are very strong with a big variety of units. Very good in attacking and defending. For me at least "almost there".
yeah i get it! they have tortoise they have mid tiers and elites but they lack a little o good low tiers + their mid tiers (thorax are not the strongest) but yeah got the 4 syrians.
its definitely a good faction! i think on the edge of almost there and decent
@@FightMeTotalWar yes, they are missing good low tier infantry. But they have shock cavalry, melee cavalry elephants, chariots, tortoise, pikes, syrian archers, hoplites, swords.... They are ready for each situation. But I think, every player has his own ranking and maybe this makes that game so great. I liked to see your ranking, thanks for that.
Np Ehsan! you right that makes the game so nice!
Strangely Seleucid aren't period accurate in this game.
Same
Egypt is absolutely incredible. They are the only faction that can trade by sea on the east and west. The kingdoms to the south pose no threat, and the land there has gold. The variety of units for the general's body guard is just insane too. Any unit weaknesses are easily handled with mercenaries.
It was just multiplayer but in campaign the major powers are the best
Let's not forget immediate access to Iron.
I think you’re really underselling Bactria, amazing selection of cavalry and missile and while slightly lacking in infantry, they’re by no means weak in that department. They’re so hard to beat in a land battle if you use them right, I think people that say they’re bad just don’t necessarily know how best to use them cuz they’re a very unique faction, they don’t play as a typical Hellenistic or eastern faction. They have strong melee and shock cav and pretty good archer cav, a wide selection of archers and javelinmen, royal guard hoplites kinda suck but thorax swords and scale hoplites hold their own
they also have elephants
They are all- rounders like Selucids. Realy strong faction.
Also really strong early game economy just get an army of mid tier units and those Persian archers.
Agreed. Baktria can run much like the Sassanids in the old BI. Hammer and anvil works very well.
I'm surprised you ranked Lusitani so low, I agree they can get gunned down easily, but like you say, once they're in combat, they can tear shit up. Very much an enemy you need to keep at arms length as often as you can
yeah you definitely need to social distance from lusitani :)
I think both of the Iberian tribes (Arevaci and Lusitani) are actually really fucking good but you need a good player to do well with them because of their big vulnerabilities. Once they get into the fight though they kick ass.
They’re similar to the Odrysian Kingdom in a way but less risky imo. All have similar playstyles with Arevaci being the “safest”, Lusitani being the riskier but not riskiEST, and Odrysians having the biggest potential for absolute ass kicking but also being incredibly risky
I think he ranking them on how good they are generally but he also mentioned new players when talking about galatia so I don't think their a good faction in that context
Lusitani is the first faction I am having success with. Something he did not mention at all is starting position. Lusitani has nothing to fear from the West. I made allies with Carthage and Nova Charthago, so I did not need to worry about the south. I could push and hold territory because all my forces were going north and east.
Massilia on campaign is an entirely different experience than multiplayer battles. The massilian hoplites are expensive but can pin the enemy for a long time, and gaul units in the ranks makes this faction very versatile.
In all my campaigns Massalia has always been a power house
And when you play your political game right your secondary party and politicians can facilitate an upwards of 300% research rate.
Siege and open field battles make civs behave very differently. Maybe it should need 2 separate tier lists
I think you're underselling the importance of having melee-capable ranged units. It's not often, but I have turned the tide of major battles by having my ammoless archers charge into the fray. I mean, imagine if when your archers were done they turned into melee infantry? Also in my experience playing with the smallest unit sizes on my laptop sometimes just a few of the enemy cavalrymen can manage to push their way through my line past the rest of their unit and melee capable archers can make the difference between your archers stopping for just a few seconds or your archers stopping long enough for the entire enemy infantry force to arrive at the front unscathed
Very helpful and nice presentation with in-game units well done
Thanks Man!❤
No man.., you blew it...
Don't judge a unit because of the price, but for how it does in the battlefield!!!
You flammed some pretty good factions because of that.
Very good of you to include other's opinions at the end of the video! Class act.
❤️🤝
I'm currently playing as Macedon and I realy like their pikemen units. I managed to beat Outhsworn units from barbaric factions with minimal losses. Plus their cavalary selection is awsome.
I disagree with many choices you made that i dont have the space to describe, but the fact that made me angry , is that Seleucid and Macedon are not god factions ... They literally have everything you need to win in the game . The only bad thing for Seleucid is their bad strategic beginning on the map , being surrounded from many strong factions who hate them , despite the fact that they have their clients...
I think is a mp focused list
Good luck playing those battles in MP were a player controls the enemy armies. You cant cheese your way through with pikes then.
Macedon straight up wins against seleucids and the other successors. Best pikes(highest attack), best shock cav (slow cataphracts < fast companion cav), elephants only good against rome or sword heavy infantry factions + easly countered by flaming arrows. The only thing you can do against macedon is skirmishers since macedon pikes has the worst armor 70 I think, while silver shields have 100! But since you have the best shock cav you can just run down ranged units ez after beating the enemy cav. You finish the battle with the good old hammer and anvil.
Yeah I can understand your thoughts! but against competitive players using pikes and cav will be hard, bc its easy to counter. and against infantry based factions like boii tylis galatia rome etc you will have a hard time.
Bro r u dreaming ? Epirus,egypt have best pikes hellenic royal guard
Seleucids have really good melee infantry, archers, and heavy cavalry as well. Anyone who knows how to play as them can easily counter Phalanx formation.
Online Battles usually follow the rule 124 = 1 Artillery unit, 2 Pike units, 4 Missile units
Some add 7 there aswell, and it means you can only pick 7 Thorax Swordmen or Spartan Hoplite etc.
@@Floppeddthe best pikes are the foot companions or the silver shields in one on one
I do think Seleucid should be on Almost there tier really, the fact that they can spam syrian archer is just so good and the silver shield swordsmen is surprisingly pretty damn good too. if used right, silver shield can beat oath sworn 1v1. Another downside aside from lacking low tier melee infantry is they lack mid tier heavy melee cav, but that doesn't matter much in siege.
ye true, bot sure about the 1vs1 with the oath tho
@@FightMeTotalWar the keyword is "used right" because if you just charge them in 1v1, they will just straight up lose xd
ye haha
Yo I've been playing Rome 2 for many years but only campaigns, I recently in the last few months started playing MP siege battles and I gotta say it's really fun so far. Still get my ass kicked a lot but I hold my own in most games now, your videos have helped me so much. I used to not understand why certain units were destroying me and your videos really helped me understand a lot of that.
Yeah thats important to understand and know! Glad to have helped
Feel like I would have placed Iceni much higher but that's my personal bias I think. I just feel like their chariots alone just put them above and in a good position especially when they start off on the map dealing with just barb factions that literally can not deal with chariots at all
Edit: realized only halfway through this tier list was specific to multi-player battles which I know nothing about and don't partake in. My bad. Also appreciate how you put the other two channel tier list at the end. I liked how different they all were and how the different views of different players can validate different factions in different ways
yeah everyone has their factions which they love! But yeah those chariots can be really useful but u got to watch out for pila and arrows!
there not that good
I love my Iceni Chariots charges! I do wish they kept more momentum on impact. I do have to wait for the main line to engage first and it sucks seeing them get targeted and then melted or frontal charging rome and the waves of pila nullifying them >.< lost all 6 regiments without any real gain, was a painful lesson.
I think why Kush is so op and banned online is because people tend to just go ultra or even more than ultra in terms of funds so their one downside is totally countered out lol.
Yeah I 100% agree! for ultra funds its strong! but for large funds it will become more balanced
I would rate egypte a little higher than athens because of the Karin axemen, egypte also gets the extra nubian which is useful.
Yeah I totally Agree, but i was thinking a little to competitive bc of the tortes but yeah i think egypte roster is way stronger yeah but tortes do be really usefull!
@@FightMeTotalWar fair enough, it would mainly be on my experience with barb maps.
yeah i think i have to agree that egypte is stronger than athens on barb maps!
The list you made is serously rated at multiplayer. In single player especially factions like Crimea have options to make vassels from which they can supplement their ranks. And easily get kick ass armies. Something barbarians lack.
I love how every time you say axemen the subtitles say "X-Men" (and thorax => "four eggs")
Hahah lol did not reallise
Pergamon is also my favorite, and Agema Spears are so nice. They look cool, their unit card is cool, their name is cool and they're usefull. I always feel like I get more value out of my Hippeus lancers on Pergamon.
All these unit cards are ugly
Nice overview i just have found now. In general i find the CA factions more interesting the the Mehh rated once. But i understand your reasoning. Great video.
Fair enough! Thanks AN!
I must strongly disagree. Specially about Seleucid, Nabatea, and Maessyli.
1. Seleucid have variety of every type of units, which are also good. You don't need to focuse on Phalanx, you can go with different type of strategy.
They got really good cavalry, archers, good melee and one of the best pikemen(if not the best one).
All that also makes Seleucid balanced enough to fight every single faction.
2. Nabatea got not only desert hoplites, but also good cavalry (shock, skrimisher, etc.). Not mentioning the pikemen, decent infantry roaster, and archer unit.
You're not stuck to use one type of strategy(unlike Massylia, Athens, or Syracuse), and its good balanced.
3. Maessyli (Aka Numidia) beside not having archers, has one of the best variety of units I experienced so far. Having both noble infantry and legionnaire units later on with good cavalry and peltasts makes it pretty much op, even against Rome.
Also, you can spam cheap slave warriors if you feel like it, both mp and campaign.
any faction with pikes is god tier. pike wall ftw. get 16 pike infantry and 4 missiles, make a rectangle pike wall and put the missile units in the middle. (disable skirmish) there's no way you can lose a battle to ai with this setup even if they have a combined army of 4k men
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Was always under the impression thorax swords were really good bc PA called the “professionals”. Learning new things every day lol.
I think you might want to make it clear this is focused on MP battles. Maybe make another list focused on campaign, because the list would look radically different then. Still, nice list!
Ye true thanks tho!
@@FightMeTotalWar Think you'd be willing to make one for campaign, actually? Would definitely watch :D
ye for in the future
Parthia and Armenia are top tier factions on open field battles, I have won pretty much all battles against Rome with them just by cavalry superiority
yeah they def stand out in land battles! but i find them a little to bad on sieges and there are still other factions that could possibly beat them on land battles like: colchis, pontus, nabatea, etc but i get what you mean for sure!
That means you are really lucky
If you bring too much calv, your opponent will just box
Yeah true!
@@scorpiontdalpha9799 Mmmmm... I don't think so, that's literally what bad players do. You just need archer superiority too, what is easy to get with parthian foot and horse archers with just enought infantry to hold a bit, in general people don't expect infantry non focused armies. To be completely sincere this is something hard to pull off, you need to micro manage your army a lot, but still posible and has very satisfying results.
yeah indeed!
I've gotta strongly disagree with Bactria. Strongly. I've played a few campaigns with them and dominated fairly easily. If you think they are that bad, you're probably playing them wrong
I dont think they are bad i just think there are more stronger factions compared to bactria
In Multiplayer Baktria is amazing. I've won so many battles with them
Ithink this video is meant for online and not campaign against ai 😅
Bactria is cool because you can run the phalanx / horse archer combo. But their units do have some serious flaws.
V well made n constructed vid. Thanks. The odrision luminary should be a tier up I think tho cos CA purposely made them high risk high reward scary factions. N selucid should defo be an almost there faction.
Thanks Toasty! yeah u right, but odrysia is just really risky in competitive game and it never gets pick bc its to risky compare to the rest that why we have it that low on the tier list to make it more attractive.
@@FightMeTotalWar yeah I get where ur coming from ;) I just say that cos sometimes it is fun to take that risk n sometimes it pays off bigtime.
n that should have said lusitani not luminary.
U should do a DEI ( the rome 2 mod ) tier list if ur into that.
yeah i could maybe do that indeed in the futur!
Thanks for the vid!
NP Glad you enjoyed it!
Great video! very informative, thank you :)
Np man glad you enjoyed it!
"They got 80 armour which is bit bad"
"They got 80 armour which is really stable"
Which is it? Just a honest question, i understand if its good or bad depends on the unit its on.
But, is 80 armour alot or not alot of armour?
80 is a lot when did i say that is wasnt?
Actually I’m impressed. Good video willum thank u :)
Thanks for the Kind words! Yeah I really did my best on this one!
@@FightMeTotalWar pog u
Loved this video, helped me choosing my next faction
Glad I could help!
Nice vid!
Thanks Peter!
Great video!, i agree with most, but man, those northen cavalry factions, such as royal scythia can just kill any troop you want. Put them on skirmish mode + strong arrows and they can beat anyone
should this not be named as faction tier for seiges? cuz some of the faction ranking are off for pitches
Ye thats true
baktrien may not have the best units but it has the sick bonus of having -100% penalty on public order when you take over a city so basicly you never have to worry about any sort of rebellion be it the overthrown faction or slaves
I know the focus is on land armies but I would bump Kush up over barbarian tribes because they have a better fleet. If you play them right you can rush Egypt and aksum at the beginning given you a great start to your campaign
Oh oke didnt know they had a strong fleet! interesting!
Thats really good opinion,keep it
Parthia is much stronger than you think because of having the horse archers
Thats true!
No no. Suebi needs to be on the god tier with Rome. Why? Because of the CLUB LEVY
Great video, we al have our preferences , lusitani are pretty good in my book. just form a line and charge!
Thanks Frits! yeah thats also true! But I also think of the risks of a faction and lusitony is very risky in eyes
an open battle tier list would be so different
yeah true!
@@FightMeTotalWar could you make one plsss
yeah i def can in the soon future I will make more Rome 2 vids
Can you play all fraction straight away
U got to buy dlc
This ranking is clearly based on sieges in multiplayer.
Question is: why did you entirely omit open field battles?
Why do you think Baktrian Royal Guard is a bad unit? That unit has Expert Charge Defense plus Frenzied Charge, so you can either charge pretty hard yourself or reflect the damage to a strong shock cavalry or infantry charge . It's my favourite hoplite unit in the game. I think the combination of horse archers/ good skirmirshing cav and heavy hoplites is pretty deadly, imo Bactria is a hell of a faction, at least for campaign.
That said, I really like your tier list.
bactria is indeed a fun faction specially for land battles, but i will have to disagree with the bactian royal guard
I totally disagree with you, Baktrian Royal guard is really that bad
- low melee defense for elite hoplite.
- Not using elite hoplite spear (this is their biggest down fall)
- frenzy charge is next to useless because of high fatigue penalty.
@@TheBikeOnTheMoon I agree that the low armour penetration of their spear is a drawback in comparison to other elite hoplites, but Frenzy Charge is really useful for me. Obviously you don't want an exhausted unit to keep fighting. What I do is a cyclo charge, sending second line reinforcements when the Frenzy Charge bonus fades. That works well for me.
@@alejandrop.s.3942 If you have your gen with 2nd wind ability, I think using frenzy charge once would be fine.
@@TheBikeOnTheMoonidk if you know this, but frenzied charge makes units impossible to route while active. So it’s an amazing skill to use when it’s late in the match and your unit is wavering
I thibk you are underselling cimmeria. They have very strong elite hoplites which have high killing potential and they also have very decent mid tier hoplites. They also have the best archers in the entire game. Where they do lack is that they have no sword infantry and their cav is lacking but besides that they are strong
Do a tierlist for Attila too
Oeh yeah maybe in the future yes, am now a little busy with exams so there will be shorter videos up, but in 2 weeks longer videos will be uploaded :)
Nice vid just watched it now… its a litle long for my atention span
thx haha
Ranking Massilia and not taking Massilian hoplites into account is crazy.
As a getae enjoyer I have to shill for them a second. I think, personally, that the falxmen shoulda gotten a mention here cause they are super important to making a good mid table army, as the trick is to mix in high quality with low quality to make up for the lack of good mid tier options. (guideline not a rule). This is how I have had the most success with them as they are basically the faction I one trick in MP. You can out charge a surprising amount of shock cav, and they are there fore great as supports for your flanks. The only issue is that it's difficult to deal with skirmishers with their roster, cause you have no Celtic spearmen equivalent.
In fact, most of the time, the Parthians crushed the Roman armies, like Crassus, despite having much fewer people
Historical indeed, but in rome 2 Parthia is alright but not top tier
romans were unexperienced back then it all quickly changed when Julius came into control
This seems to be the siege battle tier list
Yeah its more focused on siege battles indeed
This should be called Multiplayer Tier List
If this is for siege battle my only problems have to do with my playstyle vs yours, so great no notes. But if this is for land battle omg, we have problems, too many to go into!
its for sieges ye
you said you use royal spartans and archers for sparta? never discovered how good pikemen are?
Seleucid should be right after Rome, and after that should be Parthia.
Next are Arverni if you know how to play
colquis better than lusitani?? Galatia better that Egypt? cmon men
Every time I play Octavian’s Rome I just roleplay simp for cleopatra to piss off mark antony
Hahaha simp😜
Retitle this as "Rankings for new/casual players". Veteran players would see this board change up quite a bit (Baktria 100% worse than Athens? Have you used them properly? The strategy's not even that difficult!). Not a complaint as it's your opinion and your video.
Massagetae horribly underrated. I disagree with a lot of your placements, actually. Still, a very interesting video.
yeah they can be a really strong faction! but i personally dislike them, bc when i play against them i get irritated bc its really annoying and if i play the faction my self i feel bad for the other players.
but yeah its for sure a really strong faction!
Hope u enjoyed it!
What is this tier list based on? Is it based on campaign or multiplayer?
Mostly multiplayer
What's the difference between Athens and Syracuse? Aren't they the same?
one has samnites one has cretan archers
I assume that this all rank thinking with (large) funds? I'm just clarifying for the people who don't quite understand why you're weighting mid-tiers in the ranking so heavy.
Yes Indeed! so not ultra Funds but Large funds! Thanks for the clarification!👍
bro loves his tortoises
Yes sir very important in multi
How could Sparta be lower than even Athens(the worst in the game)?!
Sparta is just not a great faction unfortunately
Baktria got bullied so hard 😂💀💀💀🔥🔥🔥
😂😂
It seems that the factions that specialize in using cavalry are not appreciated by you, they are difficult factions and require superior personal skills not for new players. But I quite agree with your ratings, except for Pegamon and Athens.
Sorry my english is not very good!
Your English was btw good!
yeah that's right i havent rated cav factions really high bc they are harder to use and thanks for giving your opinion
Well he never said that he didnt like them, its just that they are one dimensional which makes them predictable, a big negative in competitive multiplayer. As a singleplayer noob :) I like those faction because they force you to change your playstyle and are refreshing BUT that doesnt change the fact that I will have a way harder time playing a cav only faction than playing a versatile faction
@@FightMeTotalWar I was once of the same mind, that cavalry factions are trash and OP infantry factions are OP. That all changed when I took one of my legions up against an army of 20 units of cavalry. Since then, I have learned, if you make an army of 20 units of GOOD cavalry, the ONLY thing that can hold you back is a walled city. These days, I only play factions with good cavalry and I usually make 40-50% of my armies entirely out of cavalry. I've done this as both Nabataea on GC and Parthia on IA and it's like putting the game on easy mode
@@mitchellgiles6869 Think you and many others have missed the point of the tier list. It's a list based on the factions strength in multiplayer, not when facing against AI or the campaign. In multiplayer, where there are often rules limiting your budget and what you can bring to the battle, cavalry factions are just not effective against real players because they're very predictable and easy to plan for.
I was Sad with Arevci they are so good I beat rome in a 1v1 land battle was pretty close though and Scutari are insane for there price. I love Masealili or as I call them Desert Rome I love there cav and infantry.
I think you are looking down on both Baktria and Arvorny
Sucsessor Kingdoms are one of the strongest. They aren't as strong in melee infantry department unlike Rome or "Barbarians" but they have pikes and good cavalry.
I'm going to be honest, Ardiaei is not a good faction. The only good units they have are the noble hoplites. That's it. It's one of the weakest factions in the entire game. I have compared them, and they stood no chance against almost all the other factions. They were almost like a warm-up.
3 min in still agreeing also another quality video
Thanks Gorm! btw did you fixed the streaming problem?
Nope either the internet is crap out here. My pc may have been damaged in the move. The drives could also be getting old. it's just odd cause it will be fine for a while and then bam lag stream or not
yeah thats unfortunate!
Egypt has a amazing unit roster
What’s the best way to use Roman missile units? I’m not too much a fan of javelin as my ranged option so I’m curious. I’m not a well versed Rome 2 player so I appreciate the advice y’all!
The javelins need to be used on a flank (best on left flank to hit the non shield side of your enemy unit)
Slingers just got to sling at everything they can
@@FightMeTotalWar okay yeah I usually put the skrimishers in front of the line infantry like I would slingers or archers! Makes sense though thank you
Never put them on the front and always place them in the flanks. Leave the javelin front line throwing to your roman infantry. Place your javelins to the flanks, to target non shielded or enemy ranged (but I would recommend targeting melee enemies instead), leave the archer sniping to sligers. Javelin can also be used to either cancel or weaken enemy cav charge. Javelin can also kill Elephants before they can even reach your lines. Basically, Javelins are like shotguns, they do deadly damage, but they need to be close and to attack where it hurts. Don't use them as a regular ranged since they won't work that way, they can do damage to shielded units but they don't have enough ammo to damage them enough, they also don't have the range to beat archers and slingers, so their best use is from the sides.
Bro you got the Syrian Archers
@@مؤيدابواليل yeah only once you’ve built auxiliary barracks in Syria too bad that isn’t the case in the beginning. I more meant jav units as that’s what you start with.
Sickk!!
Thx!
I have ~2200 hrs on this game and I have never seen tortoises before 😭 [playing Carthage w/ DEI mod now]
Oh haha thats interesting! Did you play a couple multiplayer matches? bc then you will probably see them
@@FightMeTotalWar ahhhhh that's why... nope it's just been me and my cpu in a box [aka whatever room I'm in] playing forever.. never done MP in Total War
Hahah you should try them they are really fun!
@@FightMeTotalWar it's just the battles tho aren't they ?? I really get immersed in the full package
[Just started a Galatian campaign ha]
yeah its battles only! but alright galatia campaign sounds good! are they diff im DEI?
in my last carthage campaign, rome was destroyed by syracuse and etruscs
Really?! That’s like one in a million chance haga
@@FightMeTotalWar not really lol i did some campaings and in most of them Rome gets destroyed by AI.
Epirus goated bro
You did broke my heart with Parthia
SRY
@@FightMeTotalWar let's take it to battleground meet me at plain field im on horse back and you on foot sounds good?😂
total war version mobile or pc, plz answer my questions
It isnt really a question But Yes There is a Total war rome on mobile
Kush is God tier simply because THC
what are 4 x hoplites?
Impressive!
Thanks Janson!
Persia have all selucid units i guess coz i fought against them in campaign. I think rome is OP but any pikeman nation can beat rome easy in right hands
No way man my favorite is parthia i guess i got really good at using arrow horsemen from the huns in attila.
For this professional player, Part is the best shot🤫
part?
@@FightMeTotalWar Yes that's right
what is Part
The stepp factions are way better then you say they are I've never lost using them against people and you don't need to full Sally with them if u team with saba use the drako to cycle masagat marauders and your cav that combo will usually kill 3 full units per a marauder
yeah that could be indeed really strong its just something personal, when i see the steppe factions its always just disturbing hahah but overall could be used in different ways indeed
The main issue with the steppe factions is because they all cavalry they suffer with sieges and you're quite limited, I just think that of all the factions you can use they are definitely bottom of the barrel
ah yes, the 1 2 4 siege tier list that has no place in land battles or competitive mp
Haha yeah its more focused on siege battles, but its also for competitive mp siege battles
You should rate campaign faction bonuses
Yeah that could be interesting! This was little more focused on multiplayer and the unit roster strengths.
Massegatea with them archer horse is a menace.
Yeah true!
egypt is a god faction atleast in single player i love them they have counter to almost everything you put against them
Sad Roxolani noises...
But, happy Getae noises.
I assume this is for multiplayer only?
Yes its mostly for units of the factions
Is this ranking for multiplayer?
mostly yeah but for few factions it will be similar for the campaign
pretty accurate ngl
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I can't see why you have ranked Syracuse so much lower than Athens. They have the same troops other than the mercenaries. Ranking lower than all the rest because of creten archers when they have samnites and the different mercenary cav
I understand your confusion! The cretens played a pretty big role in that decision! als syracuse cant bring tortoises which played even a bigger role
Yer but they have better mercenaries like the samnites, and the Italian cav
@@mcmuffin9761 syracuse for barb sieges and open battles, athens for civilized sieges purely cuz of torts.
Bruh why are seleucids ranked decent? They are almost there at min or even god tier dude almost as good as Rome. They have every unit that you can want to win, they can easy shit on Rome if you play them well. And their elite pikemen has most base armor of any other pike unit dude they can tank missile for days wtf you underrate Seleucid too much
I can see what you are saying, but their inf just really lack and wont hold out against barb fac specially nor rome
@@FightMeTotalWar You could try elite spam them their elite swordsman can do work and has shield wall aloot of defence and also has high weapon damage. And Azat knight are one of the best cavalry in game for that money. They deffinetly deserve to be in top at least of all other greek nations just because of how many units they have and i even forgot elephants and they can also build tortoise for seige. If Rome is banned in pvp like normaly is the case , not many can beat them easy.
@@FightMeTotalWar and realy those silver pike men are best in game both for pvp and pve even bots like too shoot pikes with arrows and they can tank so much you wouldnt beleive expetialy in campaign when you upgrade them to golden equipment.
yeah thats true, Also ye those silver shields are not bad indeed bc of the 100 armor!
i ban my self from bringing pikes for campaign makes it much more fun and challanging