Delta Flight Attendants Explain Why They're Unionizing
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 ก.ย. 2024
- Delta is the last major airline without a flight attendants union-but not for long. Delta flight attendants have launched a massive union drive that would organize 22,000 workers with the Association of Flight Attendants. They narrowly lost a union election in 2010 but say this time the tide has turned.
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I used to work for Delta, and it was a great experience. They treated me well, and I loved the company, but I am not naive. The flight attendants there definitely need a union. They need their work rules in writing...in a mutually agreed upon contract. I don't think Delta's pilots regret being unionized one bit!
My first day of orientation when hired at Weis Markets which is a large corporate grocery chain in eastern states l was told if l even mention a union l would be fired. Goes to show how evil corporations fear the equality of unions. Power to the people.
I hope you've long since quit that job!
I believe corporate greed causes all the poverty in the US. 1 out 7 Americans deal with food insecurity, meanwhile how much perfectly sellable and edible food and food products go to waste every day from big chain grocery and big box stores??? I can only imagine!
Well... u don't have to work there. People also have a right not to union. The days when union people bully those that didn't join, are over.
@@YourCapyPal_3DPipes1999 yes the meat department in that one store threw out thousands of dollars of food weekly. Take that amount and times 200 stores in just that chain times 52 weeks. Then figure the thousands of other markets in the U.S. and it is an astronomical amount of food wasted.
That's actually illegal. you can talk about unions at your job as long as you are not performing any work duties. It's illegal to be fired for wanting to form a union.
Good for them to unionize. Am a retired RN and worked at a unionized county hospital.
These folks are such an inspiration for so many struggling today.
Solidarity for a better tomorrow.
I still don't get why unions are considered a priviledge instead of a right. There is something sick in that system. In europe unions are default in companies with more than X employees.
@O. M. Union's were neutered by Reagan
Oh wow. Being in the airline industry I thought everything was better at Delta. Everyone wants to work there.. Dang, I guess a lot of Delta FA’s have just been scared to not work… I hope y’all enjoy being Unionized!!!
Exactly a lot of former airline ppl at our company. So many ppl do leave unionized airlines and purposely want to work for us and there's a reason. This is a super one sided piece. But that one side is the one that is most vocal unfortunately . The rest of us typically get shutdown if we dare to speak up or made to feel ostracized. Lots of people forget exactly what you said...that many want to work for us and there's a reason why and it isn't because of a union.
@Flyinghigh are you implying that people intentionally come to Delta to get away from unions? That seems a little silly. I don't know why you wouldn't want protection from getting fired for no reason for example.
It seems like you're also implying that if you're anti union you get ostracized... That's exactly the opposite of how things actually work. The pro union people have to keep quiet to avoid getting fired... Am I reading your comment wrong?
@@ryno4ever433I work at Delta and don’t want a union. Worked for 2 other airlines that has them, and they both sucked. Delta takes care of its people. Ask these same people about profit sharing day…which would vanish if there was a union, along with all the other great things the company does for us they seem to forget. And I have seen people do some STUPID SHIT at work and not get fired. Don’t need a union.
We LOVE being unionized. I left Delta because you are an "at-will" employee there who can be fired for any reason at any time with or without cause or notice. Not only do I make more at United, I have far better job security and much better benefits. Union dues = job security and a contract = respect. Delta will get there eventually, despite the company spinning anti-labor propaganda. You have to be really stupid to buy the corporate lies, placing your employment in jeopardy.
@@chenanigans Actually, I left delta precisely because of the anti-union propaganda spewed by the company. I don't know one person who left United to work for delta, but I can name you two dozen who left delta and now work for United. You are an idiot to work there without a union. Don't cry to me when you get fired.
Go Delta! I'm very proud and happy for them, it's been a long time coming! 👍🏾🛩✈
Attendants have it rough ENOUGH with the public. They sure as hell NEED a union!!! Unite!! Union strong!!🇺🇸
Rough…yeah….ok. Turns out , that’s what they signed up for.
@@justing42 no we didn't. No one signed up for anything like that. but I think it's time to stop responding to the silliness that you talk about. Clearly no one seems to be in agreement with you . YES.. I believe that you are probably managment..
Delta flight attendants need union representation. It will be beneficial for such a large work group.
✊🏽Solidarity and Unity!! I am a union member(SEIU) I stand in support unity and Solidarity in the fight to unionize everywhere!!
Good for you….psssst….unions suck!
Good luck and wishing you the very best!
Don't forget to have them take out your Union Dues from your paycheck.
With great pleasure! Union dues = job insurance. Thank you unions!!!!! And FYI, we still make more than non-union counterparts, so go work at Walmart with the rest of the losers.
Oh…they won’t forget
@@Meyerc-yv2biI make more than UNION counterparts
@@Meyerc-yv2binot being a clown= job security
@@justing42 The company could care less about you, clown or not. You are fucking at a job without protection. Don't come crying to me when you get terminated. Happens all the time.
go union! Props to those Delta workers for organizing.
Be careful what they wish for
Only FA’s in the industry that get paid while passengers are boarding…but they need a union. Lame.
@@justing42 clearly you don't work in inflight.. Maybe a little more research on what we truly are getting and what we lost to get that.. and we had no voice.. in that process. As we don't with the astronomical changes to our healthcare that is the very worst in the entire transportation industry. Maybe it's possible that you have some conversations with the other side.. and get the other perspective. The reality and not what management is sending out to you to read.. We just made a huge profit.. however we laid off many. Have some conversations.. come out to some meet and greets with the union.. Even if you disagree you might get some perspective.. on the reality of what goes on. Right now it appears you are just listening to one radio station.. where only management is speaking to you..Also go through this thread.. look at the likes and dislikes you will see that there are a lot of people in agreement.. YOu ever wonder why?
Thank you, MPU, for helping to spread the word.
There’s a “staffing issue” because they don’t have reserve flight attendants that function solely to fill in - everyone works. When there’s extra need they’re out of luck. Like now
Sarah don’t forget to tell them they can say goodbye to nice bonuses jus sayin
We need more unions in ALL industries
Good Luck Hope it all works out ! I was a Union member my whole working life . You can’t work with them and you can’t work without them. Especially in the transportation business. I worked on railroads my whole life. You should see what goes on there.
I am a Delta mechanic and would seriously reconsider my employment if a union comes to Delta. Worked for 2, and they both were horrible.
@@justing42 This isn't about "a Union coming to Delta" the union is your colleagues. You form and build your unions. You don't work for a union, you work for the company, but you do it with a legally binding contract. Just like every single one of your executives at the airline does. If you didn't like having a union at your other jobs, maybe you should run to be part of the union. This way you can hold yourself accountable to your colleagues.. This is way better than being at the mercy of management making all the decisions.. that are NOT based on your welfare just the profitability of the company. Your company is making way more money that the other airlines.. and you may have some good base salaries, however quality of life and the ability of management to do what and how they want with their employees is deplorable. Union busting says a lot about who your are working for.. and your company does it every day at the expense of all of it's employees..
Absolutely not! Delta treats their flight attendants exceptionally well! They are the only airline that pays flight attendants for boarding, after all. Unions are needed at places where employees are being mistreated by their company. Delta isn’t one of those companies.
Flight attendants there are not unionizing. There is an active effort by AFA to organize them ONLY because that would be an extra $14,000,000 in AFAs pocket every year.
Unionized flight attendants face the exact same issues as Delta flight attendants. The only difference is they pay dues to be rerouted and flown into their off days. Unions have tried to unionize the Delta flight attendant workforce three times already and every time, flight attendants have voted no!
Unions are needed in all industries, not just where workers are mistreated. Companies like Delta only treat us so well because they're terrified that we will unionize. It's also a bit silly to think the CWA is coming in as an outside force to organize people for financial gain... It's a union ffs.
The pay for boarding is nothing but a ploy to prevent the union, which is desperately needed. DL FA's still make less, have fewer benefits, work rules are not enshrined in a contract and are "at will" employees, who can be fired for any reason at any time with or without notification. Speak for yourself, you know nothing about Delta or unions. Go work at Walmart.
Also ramp/cargo agents this long time coming we need this asap
Amen. As well as ground staff, who are horribly abused.
Interesting. It has been my observation that they aren’t required to do a whole lot.
Wait, LAST????
The airlines need to demand better with quality.
Pretty shifty. I cannot imagine under what circumstances I could be forced to fly.
They aren’t…it’s called drama
Get ready to pay... to work. I just never saw the reason to pay a fee to work.
Naive much?
If you participate in the gig economy than you pretty much are paying to work. Whether it be Rideshare or food delivery the overall depreciation and cost of gas, tires, oil changes, and repairs really eats into your profit. I did 45k last year and well over half of that went back into the car. That's why I don't do gig work anymore. It's a scam.
@@frankd.506 nah bro... my money don't fund the mafia. That's my money!
@@Kevin-mk6jo the mafia? They work for you. But if you want to be part of a slave culture and get little money while the rest of us are striving then be a slave.
@@Kevin-mk6jo The 60s called they want their talking points back 🤦♂️ Representation that gives you much much more than you put in ,it's not much more than you having a lawyer in court .
I support Delta's efforts to unionize 100%!!!! Pilots are unionized, no reason why FA's and other employees are not either. Good for you!
And you think unionized people don't have those same problems???!?!?!! 😂😂😂😂 We have an Union, United has an Union, AA has an Union, AND WE ALL HAVE THE SAME PROBLEMS!!! 😅🤦🏻♀️ The problem with lack of workers is due to Covid-19 which - along with the people going like desperate back to flying - has made IMPOSSIBLE to recover to 100%, and that's all along THE WHOLE INDUSTRY...! This is NOT because Delta doesn't have an Union!! 😂 And you think that having an Union will prevent IROPS from happening???!?!?!! 🤯🤯🤯🤯 That's funny! IROPs happens because of weather, accidents, air traffic, LACK OF WORKERS, c'mon!! What's the manipulation???!?!?!! 😂😂😂😂 We ALL risk not having a room on time when there's IROPs, because when that happens, guess what!! EVERYONE goes through it!! Air workers, ground workers, passengers, EVERYONE!!! So, when we want a hotel to have some rest after hours waiting to take off on a flight that NEVER DID, guess what!!! There are hundreds, even thousands of passengers trying to get a room AT THE SAME TIME!!! AND YOU KNOW IT!!!! But you're CHOOSING to say that it's because "you don't have an Union", or that "you're being exploited", only to gain sympathy to get votes PRO Union...! That's called MANIPULATION!!!! And yes, we all wait HOURS to get Crew Schedule on the line to help, because, GUESS WHAT!! EVERYBODY IS CALLING AT THE SAME TIME!!!! 😂😂😂😂 And from several airports at once, and they also have problems with LACK OF PERSONNEL working...! Sooost!! 🤦🏻♀️ This people! You want an Union because of the idea that having an Union helps you work less while being protected anyway. That's being lazy!! How about you start moving that little booty of yours, and keep representing your airline by PERFORMING TO THE SAME LEVEL!! Like THE BEST!! Because, so far, that's what has made YOUR PLACE OF WORK, to be THE BEST of the world..! How about that??? Jeeeezus!! 🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️
I hope you win your election 🙏🏻 the more unions, the better
It's funny how US used to be a union country until Ronald Reagan came along. That's 30+ years ago. There is a generation and a half who do not know what unionizing is like.
@@etee7114I do…I wouldn’t hit a hog in the ass with any union.
These FA's are nuts. Every single issue raised has routinely occurred at unionized airlines as well. It's called Life
All situations happen at all airlines….absolutely true. It how you deal with the situation that makes the difference.
@@delftblue8801 yes very true, yet inserting a third party in between employees and management is not the answer. EVERYTHING must trickle through "union" before the business owner can react. all costs rise, take home pay decreases and the customer also suffers. Ultimately the businesses will fail.
That is how unions function.
@Andy K unions are not a "third party". Workers vote for the things they want. The workers ARE the union. That's why it's called a UNION. The workers are coming together for collective action. How do they have you THIS brainwashed?
@@ryno4ever433 the " Union" that doesn't work at Delta for instance, is already organized elsewhere. That Union is being managed by attorneys and professional organizers.
Every single issue must be handled by the union management. That's why they want problems and those problems aren't resolved quickly because the union management and attorneys make more money the longer it takes.
Unions are a parasite on a business that sucks the life out of it. Unions are on the decrease nationwide. Thank God
Being an "at will" employee is not an issue at an other unionized airline. Educate yourself before posting, because you sound nuts.
I'm just a customer, but I want what is right for the Flight Attendants, because I Love Delta! 😃💞
Ah that classic "do your research" statement. Funny thing it's always coming from someone who's exploiting an opportunity
Flight attendants and Ramp need a union.
Good stuff and good luck!
Worked for 2 AFA airlines (USAir and United), guess what all the problems you all describe were present @ both airlines. When one contacted AFA with a problem the standard response was "Do it and Grieve it!" As recent as two years ago, I separated from United under a Covid Separation program, the company violated my seniority on an issue concerning a health account which was based on seniority; way company figured this amount resulted in losing a year of funds added to this account. When I contacted AFA , their response "Nothing we can do, we weren't consulted on this program". I believe I would rather have $50-$60 more monthly and receive the great benefits Delta offers you,
Not me. I LOVE United and working for them, so good riddance to you. But more importantly, I love my union who has always been there for me. They negotiated our wage increases and got working rules enshrined into a contract along with the best medical plan in the industry. But if you want to be an "at will" employee who can get fired any time for any reason with or without cause or notification, then work at Walmart! The best money I spend every month is on my union dues. It's job insurance, no different from health or car insurance. Everyone should be so lucky to have a union.
@@Meyerc-yv2biI worked for 2 airlines with them, and they both SUCKED. At Delta you can’t just “get fired” contrary to popular belief. Unions do one thing, protect the SLUGS….PERIOD. United….pffffft. We make more than you without one! HAHAHAAAAA!!!
@@justing42 If you are not union, you are an At Will employee, which means you can be fired at any time, for any reason, with or without cause. And it has happened. I am more than happy to call your anti-labor BS out. Any other inane comments?
@@Meyerc-yv2bi Thank you.. Can't wait to be part of AFA.. and work together that all the airlines have the bestest contract for all Flight Attendants..
@@justing42 YOU just can't get fired? That is not true.. I can put you in contact with many many many that have been fired.. and the company doesn't even have to tell you why. Protect slugs by the union.. are you saying we don't have any slugs, or lazy people that ARE protected and get away with things.. that they shouldn't.. YOU know the pilots work for us too.. and nothing about their contract is Pfffft..!!! lOL LOL None of what you say is true.. and you are literally sounding like managements talking piece. So much so.. I wonder where you really work and what you really do.. If you are middle management be careful we just let go of a bunch.. I am sure it had nothing to do with a union.. just it was costing them.. and the profit they announced wasn't enough they had to go cut some more costs..
Maybe i should become a flight attendant. Get paid to fly and travel and rarely assist any passengers. I see you guys sitting in the back for half the flight.
I work for a unionized company. Don’t believe their (Sara Nelson’s) lies. A union doesn’t make the airline any better. The things that happen at Delta also happen at my airline. I’d rather work for Delta because of the fact that they don’t have a union. I actually feel the exact same way with a union now than these Delta flight attendants feel without a union.
If it's the same with and without a union, why would you prefer to not have it? You at least have representation and protections under a union that you wouldn't have otherwise. I hope Delta doesn't ever hire your ass because I wouldn't want a scab as a coworker.
Speak for yourself Cris. We love our union at our airline. But if you want to be an "at will"employee at a non-union airline who can be fired for any reason at any time with or without cause, then leave. Make less, don't have a contract, get fewer benefits while the CEO is making millions off your back. Delta will be far better off with a union than with an anti-labor mouthpiece like you.
@@ryno4ever433you don’t even know what a scab is. Tossing around union bullshit like you are working in a sweat shop somewhere. Tech Ops could get rid of half the employees and the work output wouldn’t change a bit. Scans are the ones from NWA that have 20 plus years at Delta. Turns out you have LOTS of them as coworkers.
@@Meyerc-yv2biturns out, unions suck. As the guys at AA how having multiple unions at the same workplace is. Mechanics working for the same company, with 2 unions with completely different scales, different holiday and vacation allotments…that sounds great to me! NOT!
@@Meyerc-yv2bianti labor…go hang out in the hangar in MSP…there is NO labor going on there…what do you think would happen if a union gets voted in? LESS than nothing! Screw that…protects the slugs….PERIOD. Are you a slug? Do you like working around slugs? Vote union then.
The pilots and dispatchers are unionized but flight attendants and agents arent. Delta Flight attendant's want to have a union instead Delta said "we will pay for boarding". Delta flight attendants will never have a offical union.
There is something inherently wrong with American business and corporations, it is called GREED. This is not an issue in Europe where companies see the well being of employees as something good for business. In America you are disposable, they can get 10 like you to replace you. The airlines got $50 BILLIONS from the government to help them during covid, so they don't have to lay people off. But what did the airlines do? they laid off people and pocketed the money and now they are suffering. Only in America this nonsense happens. Delta and the rest of them are awful companies. The CEO makes millions a year sitting on his fat behind while workers suffer. And american unions are not so great either, they are like the mafia.
I look forward to flying with a Union crew.
You did nothing for United
UNION = U 'n I on the same team working together for better wages and working conditions! Congratulations. (IATSE stagehand)
I have gone up over 20 bucks an hour in 7 years…without a union
AFA does nothing for you 😢
My husband and I are former AA. Both union. I was ramp, he was FA. Please do this. It works. I just applied for Delta FA.
Any update?
I hope they get it in place
What this means is Delta is going under!
I would just hope if the people who want it, finally get it, that a lot of the negativity and bitterness will exit the atmosphere. All I hear these days is complaining and bitterness and this is why we need a union this and this is why we need one that. It makes work more negative than it has to be dealing with all of that. Especially if you aren't one way or the other. I have personally been treated like something was wrong with me for not chiming in on conversations or walking away from them to go mind my business once these convos start. Even hearing someone say as I walked away one day... "oh I guess we scared her away". Unnecessary. And unwelcoming. Or if you do chime in as they expect you to and then say no I'm pretty content and I appreciate what we have as it is....then they diminish your personal experience. Responding with things like "oh you've just never been screwed over" etc etc. Insulting. And personally I don't look at it like that to begin with but either way to not know my story and then to proceed to discount my experience here is rude. It's like everyone is entitled to feel how they feel and I respect that and don't make snarky condescending comments to them yet that same respect toward my views isn't usually reciprocated. At the end of the day I just wanna work and mind my business. Not get caught up in a ball of negativity on top of the stress we already deal with from angry and anxious customers. The only silver lining for me would be that hopefully the culture changes because it's sad how a lot of us are. Time will tell.
You are completely entitled to your point of view, but unless the leadership is corrupt, unions can only benefit workers. There's nothing to lose and a great deal to possibly gain. Maybe your wages and benefits are good now in your view, but if you had a successful union behind you that was doing its job properly you would be able to receive even more. It's just something to consider. Unions help to level the playing field between workers and ownership.
I’ve worked with unions and I’m personally not interested in bringing one in. I’m content with not having a union.
As your fellow coworker, I encourage you to reexamine your position. When COVID hit, Delta fired all of the contractors. This impacted friends of mine and almost impacted me personally. I was hired days before the layoffs. The ONLY reason Delta didn't start firing their own employees is because they received 50 billion dollars from the government with the stipulation that they could not fire their employees. This is why they offered early retirement packages instead. Things might be nice now, but Delta would turn on you in a heartbeat.
Delta used to have a pension plan, but they axed it. We could get that back with a union and protect you from being fired with no say in the matter. I think your opinion is valid but I hope you consider what I have to say too. From my perspective, it's the pro union people who have to stay quiet. Union is a dirty word and speaking it invokes a fear that the company will fire you. I hope you reconsider, coming from your Delta coworker who works at Techops.
@@ryno4ever433 two totally different departments here. Apple and oranges. Your experience is in direct contrast to mine. The pro union flight attendants *are* the most vocal (at least at my base, bases def play a huge role as well in the attitudes of our work groups). So for someone like me who minds my business and doesn't engage I usually offend people simply by not entertaining as stated in my example above. That is not okay to have to come to work to. I always mind my business and smile and nod even if I disagree. But heaven forbid I ever spoke up, I would *not* be treated with that same level of tolerance and respect; I know this from experience, once again, and this is why and how I learned to keep my mouth shut when working. We all just need to respect people opinions and if I don't want to chime in and join the negativity circle then don't make snide comments and be immature about it. We all need to be way less hive and tribal minded. It makes for a very toxic work place. You have no idea at all why my stance is what it is. But regardless my stance is just as valid and I still need to be respected by my co-workers and not seen as the enemy. I am not Delta. I didn't do anything to you. We all are here by choice.
I hope you reconsider pushing your work politics onto others.
@@ryno4ever433 also I just saw the way you responded to some others here. Calling a person who didn't want a union (because he came from one and knew what it was like already) a 'scab'????
See this is the exact issue I'm speaking of. The tribal, hive-mind and toxicity you exhibit toward people who disagree with you is so sad and what makes an already challenging line of work even more challenging.
You just proved my whole point.
Delta is really awful for passengers and employees
Especially 3rd party that they have contracts with. Delta treats them like how UPS is treating their contractors, like dirt.
Not so much.
YES!!
YES. Up the worker 💪
Make sure you get a union!!.
Unions protect the slugs
Finally!
YES, UNION!!! GOOD!!!!
Applied their career application was a joke I’m Korean and there is no Korean as language selection and I’m like disappointed…delta is like as cvs retail mergers after mergers…sounds like what Walgreens is now 😆 bankruptcy
of course delta is the last. fucking hate that airline
Best one in the country