BTW, apparently lasers do dim, but much more gradually than halogen and other incandescent bulbs used in traditional projectors. Many projector makers claim their laser-powered projectors will still be at around 70% brightness after 20,000 hours of use. So at that point, a recalibration would be in order but performance on most projectors would still be pretty good (assuming the rest of the unit holds up as well as the lasers do).
Excellent review. Well done. Trouble is when it comes to black levels the scores don’t properly match actual performance. It depends on the scene chosen especially when dealing with base-black levels. At 2022 MWAVE event, the Sony 7000 couldn’t show the base-black level that JVC NZ8 did. The SONY was essentially blank (solid black with no highlight detail at all.) As was explained by a Sony projector engineer who was commenting, they still had some tweaking to do for the next set of projectors or for a firmware update. See the Shane Lee VLOG to see it in real-time at that event as I did. Meanwhile, an excellent overview as I watched live too via Shane Lee. Waiting on Sony to fix base-black before I splurge on my next Sony projector upgrade. Hopefully, Sony will give me a reason to do this soon?
@@ecoustics The score on firmware updates so far: JVC = 3 in one year. Sony = 0! despite well publicized issues. (As a sony fan, I can only throw up my hands and say: WHY!)
Hi Mates, Congrats on good work 👏👏👏 Not much really good content about projectors at YT. After seeing Your review I know, that I'm gonno get Sony VPL-XW5000ES. Can You advise me some kind of good value motorized 150" screen for it?
These actual scores and breakdown show a much different story than is being presented on YT as JVC is being hailed as the king of projectors. As mentioned the 6000ES is much closer to the NZ8 than the NZ7. The NP5 is a great bulb based projector but interesting to see the NZ7 doesn’t seem to keep up with it in terms of overall score. The NZ8 is really in the 15k and above category for me which puts it out of reach. That said, the 5000ES and 6000ES are the two projectors I am leaning to in the lower priced tiers.
@@ChrisBoylan Thanks. Just trying to be accurate. Meanwhile, considering that Sony took a drubbing on its base-black levels about a year-ago, and since then, are there any hints that Sony will respond with a firmware update or a revised/updated X-series projectors with updated firmware - this year?
@@marvinabugov4579 - my experience with Sony is that they are not the quickest on the draw with firmware updates. Honestly, what impacted Sony more in the VE projector shootout was the default behavior of the video processor. The "Reality Creation" processing was creating something for sure... but it wasn't reality.
@@ChrisBoylan . . . and so I - wait!!! - to replace my 2017 / 285es so that I can buy the WHOLE PIE instead of “A-PIE” with SLICES - MISSING. Suffice to say, if you went to a bakery and your wife’s favourite pie came with slices missing, would you buy it? . . . or pay the full price? Yet, given there behaviour, Sony thinks so and expects everyone to bow down in reverence . . . that is until JVC took them inside bakery and gave them a “masters lesson” to show them how to do it RIGHT. Meanwhile, I still like Sony for my particular use case, but not until its engineering team gives themselves a - swift-kick-in-the-butt - and gets their projectors worthy of my attention and purchase consideration. Two can play this game - too. Sony “mediocrity” just isn’t good enough anymore IMHO given how the projector team thinks of their capability. This time, their vehicle came up with a FLAT-TIRE! (Excuse all my anologies😄🥳
I turned this off about half way through after three false statements. Three strikes you’re out. 1) 4050UB and 5050UB better than cheap 4K laser, (unless you are not talking about LS12000, this is false) 2) 8K source input isn’t allowed on JVC, 3) NZ8 is closer to NZ9 than NZ7. I’ve been around all these projectors multiple times. I certainly do not agree with these statements.
Guess you have to stop half way through many reviews, cause most have errors or opinions in it. Where the projectors you’ve been around all calibrated? What were the rooms you viewed in? Many factors in play, maybe you are a bit quick with your strikes.
@@larsv6144 opinion differences are one matter, but objective facts are another. JVC laser NZ series will take 8K input. Epson 4050 he says is his reference projector at his shop, objectively does not have better contrast or black levels than Epson LS12000. Finally, NZ7 vs NZ8 I’ve seen directly compared 3x. Twice in HT rooms side by side, one time non calibrated out box comparison, once in calibrated comparison at a local enthusiast avsforum shootout, and finally fully calibrated at MWAVE 2022. All three instances side by side comparison. The two are very difficult to tell the difference between. The NZ9, however, is significantly brighter than the NZ8 and has the larger 100mm lens. (NP5 and NZ7 and NZ8 have the same 65mm lens). I saw rhe NZ9 compared to the NZ8, calibrated, at MWAVE 2022. Those three things I mentioned in my original post are objective fact - not a conflict of personal opinion. When a source’s facts are wrong, then the source’s opinions loose value, because one loses confidence in the source.
We appreciate your corrections. We learned after the Shootout, that each of JVC's had gotten new firmware updates (before entering the Shootout) that likely gave them the edge over Sony and increased performance. So it's possible the projectors you compared were running different firmware.
@@ecoustics I guess I should pick up XW7000ES. As we are getting it for $12.5k in India. Yes Brand New from certified dealer. I am really surprised that an electronic gadget exists which costs less in India than in US. LOL
@@jvonengeln I am torn between the Sony XW6000 and the NZ7 would you have a preference as all the shootouts I have seen the JVC never appears to be calibrated correctly, either that or the Sony is just out of the box much better looking picture wise.
BTW, apparently lasers do dim, but much more gradually than halogen and other incandescent bulbs used in traditional projectors. Many projector makers claim their laser-powered projectors will still be at around 70% brightness after 20,000 hours of use. So at that point, a recalibration would be in order but performance on most projectors would still be pretty good (assuming the rest of the unit holds up as well as the lasers do).
Correction, the JVC NZ Series both 2.1 HDMI inputs DO accept 8K/60p and 4K/120p signals. Your statement is Wrong.
Excellent review. Well done. Trouble is when it comes to black levels the scores don’t properly match actual performance. It depends on the scene chosen especially when dealing with base-black levels. At 2022 MWAVE event, the Sony 7000 couldn’t show the base-black level that JVC NZ8 did. The SONY was essentially blank (solid black with no highlight detail at all.) As was explained by a Sony projector engineer who was commenting, they still had some tweaking to do for the next set of projectors or for a firmware update. See the Shane Lee VLOG to see it in real-time at that event as I did. Meanwhile, an excellent overview as I watched live too via Shane Lee. Waiting on Sony to fix base-black before I splurge on my next Sony projector upgrade. Hopefully, Sony will give me a reason to do this soon?
Thanks for tuning in. It seems with firmware updates each brand of projector is capable of getting better.
@@ecoustics The score on firmware updates so far: JVC = 3 in one year. Sony = 0! despite well publicized issues. (As a sony fan, I can only throw up my hands and say: WHY!)
Hi Mates,
Congrats on good work 👏👏👏
Not much really good content about projectors at YT.
After seeing Your review I know, that I'm gonno get Sony VPL-XW5000ES.
Can You advise me some kind of good value motorized 150" screen for it?
These actual scores and breakdown show a much different story than is being presented on YT as JVC is being hailed as the king of projectors. As mentioned the 6000ES is much closer to the NZ8 than the NZ7. The NP5 is a great bulb based projector but interesting to see the NZ7 doesn’t seem to keep up with it in terms of overall score. The NZ8 is really in the 15k and above category for me which puts it out of reach. That said, the 5000ES and 6000ES are the two projectors I am leaning to in the lower priced tiers.
I don’t think you’d be unhappy with either Sony model.
Yes because I always watch movies by whipping my head back and forth violently… 😏
Sorry, the MWAVE event was shown live via Stop The FOMO vlog.
No need to apologize. MWAVE's projector comparison is an entirely different event.
@@ChrisBoylan Thanks. Just trying to be accurate. Meanwhile, considering that Sony took a drubbing on its base-black levels about a year-ago, and since then, are there any hints that Sony will respond with a firmware update or a revised/updated X-series projectors with updated firmware - this year?
@@marvinabugov4579 - my experience with Sony is that they are not the quickest on the draw with firmware updates. Honestly, what impacted Sony more in the VE projector shootout was the default behavior of the video processor. The "Reality Creation" processing was creating something for sure... but it wasn't reality.
@@ChrisBoylan . . . and so I - wait!!! - to replace my 2017 / 285es so that I can buy the WHOLE PIE instead of “A-PIE” with SLICES - MISSING. Suffice to say, if you went to a bakery and your wife’s favourite pie came with slices missing, would you buy it? . . . or pay the full price? Yet, given there behaviour, Sony thinks so and expects everyone to bow down in reverence . . . that is until JVC took them inside bakery and gave them a “masters lesson” to show them how to do it RIGHT.
Meanwhile, I still like Sony for my particular use case, but not until its engineering team gives themselves a - swift-kick-in-the-butt - and gets their projectors worthy of my attention and purchase consideration. Two can play this game - too. Sony “mediocrity” just isn’t good enough anymore IMHO given how the projector team thinks of their capability. This time, their vehicle came up with a FLAT-TIRE! (Excuse all my anologies😄🥳
Chris: . . . and thank you for your response to my questions. Very much appreciated!
Jvc is the best
I turned this off about half way through after three false statements. Three strikes you’re out. 1) 4050UB and 5050UB better than cheap 4K laser, (unless you are not talking about LS12000, this is false) 2) 8K source input isn’t allowed on JVC, 3) NZ8 is closer to NZ9 than NZ7. I’ve been around all these projectors multiple times. I certainly do not agree with these statements.
Guess you have to stop half way through many reviews, cause most have errors or opinions in it. Where the projectors you’ve been around all calibrated? What were the rooms you viewed in? Many factors in play, maybe you are a bit quick with your strikes.
@@larsv6144 opinion differences are one matter, but objective facts are another. JVC laser NZ series will take 8K input. Epson 4050 he says is his reference projector at his shop, objectively does not have better contrast or black levels than Epson LS12000. Finally, NZ7 vs NZ8 I’ve seen directly compared 3x. Twice in HT rooms side by side, one time non calibrated out box comparison, once in calibrated comparison at a local enthusiast avsforum shootout, and finally fully calibrated at MWAVE 2022. All three instances side by side comparison. The two are very difficult to tell the difference between. The NZ9, however, is significantly brighter than the NZ8 and has the larger 100mm lens. (NP5 and NZ7 and NZ8 have the same 65mm lens). I saw rhe NZ9 compared to the NZ8, calibrated, at MWAVE 2022. Those three things I mentioned in my original post are objective fact - not a conflict of personal opinion. When a source’s facts are wrong, then the source’s opinions loose value, because one loses confidence in the source.
We appreciate your corrections. We learned after the Shootout, that each of JVC's had gotten new firmware updates (before entering the Shootout) that likely gave them the edge over Sony and increased performance. So it's possible the projectors you compared were running different firmware.
@@ecoustics I guess I should pick up XW7000ES. As we are getting it for $12.5k in India. Yes Brand New from certified dealer. I am really surprised that an electronic gadget exists which costs less in India than in US. LOL
@@jvonengeln I am torn between the Sony XW6000 and the NZ7 would you have a preference as all the shootouts I have seen the JVC never appears to be calibrated correctly, either that or the Sony is just out of the box much better looking picture wise.
Value Electronic reviews are super biased!