FA20 Engine Swap Bonanza - Scion FR-S Track Build - EP03
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ส.ค. 2024
- This episode we swap out our tired and abused engine with a healthier motor and walk you through the all the steps.
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The fact that this channel has 12k subs is a damn shame. This is seriously one of the best automotive TH-cam channels out there. You guys are well educated and very knowledgeable. It's refreshing to see people that care about quality. Both in content and part selection. I get excited ever time I see your videos popup in my subscription list.
Nic Johnson Wow, so many kind words, thanks Nic! We're really passionate about cars and love to do this stuff despite all the headaches that we run into.
Nic Johnson Agreed
Couldn't have said it better myself 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Nic Johnson Yeah, I agree, but it will get traction. I just think not too many know about it yet.
Nic Johnson I watch everything on their channel, I can't say that about any other channel I sub to.
When I swapped the motor back into my car, I did it slightly differently. I placed the load balancer in the longitudinal direction, rather than the laterally like you guys did it. This let me angle the engine to the same orientation as the transmission. When sliding the motor in, I rotated the crank slightly via a socket on the crank pulley. This let the splines on the input shaft line up and slide in way easier. This way, I was able to get the engine and trans all the way together before threading in any bolts.
I also used the factory manual recommended lift points: The ring on the passenger rear by the harness connectors, and the large threaded hole under the throttle body. Lifting the motor by the plastic intake makes me cringe a little. It looks like it worked out fine for you guys. But it wouldn't be my first choice.
Michael Karr You did it right! We often like to do things the hard way, it seems.
Michael Karr We were going to do the same on the lift points but didnt have the a bolt or the proper hook for the bolt under the throttle body. What did you use for that?
I went to Ace Hardware and got a bolt that fit. I think it was the largest metric fine-pitch they had (It was an M14, I believe)! I threaded it through a length of chain that I bought there too. Also the largest they had.
when you look back and realize he's had the wagon for over 5 years
I'd pay to watch this content. By far my favorite channel on TH-cam. Keep up the great work guys! Looking forward to that rotrex power-adder.
Reece Ramsey Thanks so much Reece! We're working hard to keep the content coming each and every week. Hoping to start on the supercharger install early next week so a video should be dropping really soon!
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I'd throw a couple Timmies into a Patreon for them!
Also that 240z is fucking gorgeous.
Ethanmeister im pretty sure thats a 280, but pretty much the same thing anyways
+Nikki Naydenov its a 260z
The content you guys are producing is so damn good! Top 3 Automative channel easily on TH-cam. So informative, technical and helpful. I'm loving the track focus with the channel and intend on building my own BRZ track car in the future and am definitely keeping some tips I have learnt here. Keep it up, really appreciate your work.
I got deppresed ass hell when he said that the 2j wasnt going in the frs.
Dat Datsun in the back thoo. . . . .
Best TH-cam channel by a big margin. Nothing get close to you guys. Even Drive+ or Motortrend.
Maxime Trepreau MCM?
Maxime Trepreau Thanks Maxime! I don't know if we can compare ourselves to Drive or Motortrend but the fact that you like our channel more is already motivation enough for us to continue to make better videos.
Camhin1 MCM is amazing, we love that channel and pretty much watch every episode they make. Same goes for +Tom's Turbo Garage
MCM is not track focus enough for me. Speed Academy always use the proper track stuff, like APracing Essex sprint or ad08r. It's proper track geek stuff. They take care of suspension geometry while lowering the car. Etc...
you guys need more subscribers, alot of people are missing out. great engine swap! and post a nice vid of the s2k!!!
Officially spent most of today watching every video you guys have put out so far. Keep em' coming guys, love watching these builds.
Forrest Hooker Now that's a productive day haha! Thanks, more vids coming soon.
why swap FA20 to FA20 was the stocker blown?
the original fa20 was built for drift spec and abused b4 being turned back to stock and given to Dave and Pete so they decided to drop in a new lower mileage fa20 instead
I wish they would have put a WRX STI engine in it
The EJ sucks.
For what!
RogueTriumph troll...
They should have made it a 2.2 so it has not such a bad torque dip
@Speed Academy Dave and Peter! Great video series, guys! I've been following your FRS build and just bought an FRS myself! Since you have that Tundra for towing, you guys could bring your race car to 86FEST and run it with the Global Time Attackers on 8/6 at Auto Club Speedway!
Hey Antonio! Glad you like the vids. We'd LOVE to make the trip down but it's just so damn far that we can't sacrifice the time for the trip. Maybe we'll fly out one of these years and cover the show though!
So...that 2J still going in that BMW?
Wow swap in 1 day. This makes me less worried about blowing my motor at the track
I've got a 2.7L flat 6 out of my 981...make it happen! 275HP, a good number for a FRS/BRZ.
2JZ E39 bmw!! I just made a mess... Can't wait for that!!
Daniel P.S We're super excited to start that build to but need to finish these ones off before getting to that one.
You lot are a tease with that little scene.
Speed Academy I know it's a bit early but what engine management are you planning on using for the 2jz?
Garrett Martin I'm thinking either an AEM Infinity or Haltech Elite ECU. I already got a Borg Warner EFR turbo and Full race manifold ready to bolt on, just need to find the time to start this project!
Speed Academy That sounds like a fine setup. I'm going to be using the Infinity in my is300 project along with a BW S362. That looked like an aristo gte you had there. I picked one up myself. I always look forward to more videos from you guys. I wish you the best!
7:13 that's a bad habit to get into to re-use oil filters like that. That filter seal is normally one time use and re-using it like that can cause oil to leak from it. Just my .02.
You guys need to buy a bunch of automotive paint filters. They are like 15 cents each. Works great for checking oil for particles, reusing coolant and making sure race gas is clean
Great idea!
Nice video guys👌 I getting ready to build a track only car, was leaning towards an frs. This video sealed my decision.
You guys are awesome, really enjoy the videos and seeing things come together.
Lifeguy1000 Glad to hear and thank you! We've got more videos coming sooooooooon! :D
thank you guys so much I will get in touch with spec clutch
The RX7 of the back !!!!!!!!
This is extremely easy lol.... Love these cars even more!
Eh watcha the push ey, love the italian accents for the motor install
Hey guys, have you considered the FA20F engine swap? It is the same motor but Subaru developed it with a turbo, I think that would be a cool way to get a turbo FRS. Let me know if you think it could work!
Putting a header on is easy... IFF the header's pipes were routed to let you access the nuts with an extension. It was easy with my Rev Works UEL.
ok i'm a little unpleased. there are a few things missing in this video that needs to be stated for the average joe pulling the motor out. there are guide bolts at the bottom (2) that you have to be careful with. jiggling the motor, prying and what not will bend these bolts. another part is the ac compressor. when pulling it out, it will get tight with it and you need to be careful of puncturing a hole in it or worse. freon is not friendly. slow and steady, use logic and angles to your advantage. just my two cents. big fan btw haha
Kudos to all of you! I did really enjoy all of your channel contents!
Thanks for watching!
This video is extremely helpful. I have to swap the motor on my car next week...
Chris Wilkinson Awesome to hear that it's helped you out!
Doing one tomorrow. My engine blew.. I turboed mine though. I can't wait. I love engije swaps.
Good luck!
+Speed Academy thanks. means a lot getting that from you guys.... got it running. now I have a tiny but major leak where the pieces meet.
+Speed Academy and other problems... I just want to enjoy my car the same way I use to
Sorry for not being engine smart but whats the diffrence on engines? Or was it just engine wear down?
You could swap an old fa20 to fa20dit from 2015wrx or forester instead of fa20
Fa20dit can get you around 300bhp with stock internals and stock turbo which is enoth for brz/frs
TheMaratrix it's a really interesting swap idea, I agree. But we want to explore the limits of the FA20 before we consider a swap to something else.
I don't think it would fit.
Starter is on the wrong side, turbo doesn't fit, wiring is completely different as is the ecu
The new fa20 has an UNBEARABLE amount of turbo lag! (Boost threshold)
I love your channel and all the content, keep up with good work.
Alex Davila Many thanks! Lots of great content coming.
probably the last person to mention it but i believe the oil is 0w20 for the fa20. but any oil beats no oil.
Can someone tell me the difference between the new and the old engine?
+Dimas Matos They replaced with with the same engine, but the "new" one did not go through as much abuse as they put the original one through.
RyMann88 oh ok thanks man :D
Thanks I also had that doubt. I was like isn't it the same???? jajaja
thanks that what i was confused about. I was actually looking for a wrx engine swap into the brz.
Guys keep up the good work.
Both of you are funny and give some useful tips.
Laimis Thanks! We hope to make this stuff fun to learn about.
I wanna see a porsche flat 6 in an 86 it keeps the boxer sympathy and boxsters and caymans are same configuration but right behind you I'd use the porsche manual box to
Porsche gear change is worth the work.
I got the a 2016 aero if your up for this and have an interest in a similar build let's make the first one...
Wow that bmw has been kicking around a while.
2015: 2jz bmw!
2018: winter storage of stock bmw
Is it possible to change the rod bearing without splitting the engine
yall had me worried when you were using the intake manifold to hold the engine on the engine crane. theyre really not meant to take that weight.
What year was the engine and what year the car? And was the engine jdm by any chance?
how did you know it was time to swap the engine? and what sways you to valvoline vs the competition?
shihster88 we compression checked the original motor and it was down near the bottom end of the OE range for acceptable (as outlined in the shop manual), plus we knew from dyno testing it we were down about 10whp compared to most other FA20s we've dyno'd. And the motor took a beating at Targa Newfoundland and had a turbo and NOS on it when VCMC used it for the Scion Tuner Challenge, so all in all the motor didn't own us anything. We'd like to rebuild it over the winter with some forged internals and chuck a bunch more boost at it next year.
As for Valvoline, their a partner of ours on our website, but what impresses us most is their willingness to share technical data with us and anyone else who signs up for the TeamValvoline program, plus they've had tremendous success in motorsports so we know their oils are engineered to the highest level. If you jump on TeamValvoline.com and check out the fact/tech sheets on Pro-V oils, you'll see what I mean. Tons of very good info there. We just got a bucket of Pro-V racing oil in a 0w30 that we'll be running in the FR-S for Ontario1500.
Awesome!
What tear motor an was it plug an play no changes with Ecu??????
Can I buy the original motor if it doesn't have a rod knock @speed academy???
When are we going to get the first BRZ engine in a VW Type 1? It's ideally suited to it. Since it's a rear wheel drive layout, I want to put one in a Ford Anglia.
I have a question on engine swapping like this. I have my frs tuned already and the engine blew if i swap the engine do i need to unmarry my frs to the oft and then marry and then retune the car since its a new engine?
Nice video. I can't help but noticing the FD and 240z in the background. The 240z was a great car back when I was in college, but rust got the best of it. I've owned an FD for a little over 20 years now (original owner here). Damn, it's getting close to becoming a classic. :eek:
tscooter22 There will soon be a video on the FD as we've got some cool stuff we're working on with it. And kudos to you for owning the car for that long, RX7 owners seem to flip them alot since they either blow the engines or can't afford/ don't want to properly maintain them.
Yep, regarding other FD owners, that sums it up perfectly. It's a shame, 'cause they probably get them cheap, hack and beat the shit out of them and dispose of them just like any other expendable. Seem like no-one wants to take care of things anymore. It's like we've transitioned into a disposable world.
tscooter22 Walk through any department store and I have a feeling you'll understand why. Our entire world is built around disposable, cheap, items.
Hold onto that FD, it'll be one of the few good ones left in 10 years time.
Please help! Can a FA20 engine fit into a 2013 FRS ? I’m desperately searching for a engine to get into my car that got rod knock
Could you post a video on the engine harness connectors? Were they aftermarket?
What parts did you end up swapping over? I'm guessing the ECU for the injectors and that's about it ? And the other main things
Why does having an intercooler force the oil cooler to be taken out? Can't you have both?
What's the difference between the engine they put in and the one they took out? Different block?
i think they were the same but the new one had less miles on it
if I'm not mistaken, the FR-S was powered by the Toyota 4U-GSE... and the FA20 is a subaru engine. please correct me if I'm wrong.
BRIKKgoesHAM Dave and I have actually talked about this since you are correct, Toyota calls the engine a 4U-GSE but it's just a name since Subaru builds the engines and when we started filming this series we always referred to it as a FA20 so we've stuck with it to avoid confusion.
oh, okay. are there any differences between the two engines? like dimensions, specs, etc. or are they the same in that aspect too?
BRIKKgoesHAM None, nada, zilch. Like I said, the engines are all built by Subaru so whether you call it the 4U or FA it's exactly the same engine.
thanks for the insight :)
Hey shouldn’t that coolant be blue?
Great vid, I know I will being this eventually being that my BRZ is turbo charged.
that was sick as hell
+H3ntairican Glad you liked it!
I wonder if FA20 out of the 2017 FRS will go into a 2013 FRS as Direct Fit?
After you do engine swap the car will have more top speed so my question is how to know what the new top speed and how to replace the speed gauge with the gauge that has the same top speed?
Muammarvsgaming ROBLOX and more We swapped the engine for the same one so our top speed wont change but if we put a different, more powerful engine in then even with the increased top speed the speedometer in the car reads to 240km/k which would be very hard to hit so keeping the same gauge would not be an issue.
Thx your helping me so much
May I ask why the engine is the same? Wouldn't you have wanted a better one?
I thinks it's just to demonstrate an engine swap
I have a question is there a way to get the engine out with out pulling the transmission on a automatic?
i got a question, the fa20 engines fails with the rocker arms, do you have any advice to solve this problem. can you get a stronger rocker arm ?
Hi Dave, will u be doing any videos on the RX8?
I followed your thread on rx8club.com and been yearning for more.
When i stumbled across this youtube channel and seen the car in the garage.... WOW!
Please do some videos!
Tim from Australia.
tim83h Hi Tim. I'm sorry to report I sold my RX-8, but the good news I sold it to my close friend and rotary engine build Joe Ferguson from RPM Motorsports so there's a good chance the car will make an appearance on our website or here on our YT channel once Joe decides on an engine to stuff under the hood. He may stay Renesis, go 13B-REW, or maybe even the blasphemous V8 route.
Would be great if it got built up and you guys did a head to head to head, RX8 v ASS2000 v FRS. All fantastic lightweight FR cars with their own pros and cons. Hoping the RX8 stays Renesis with that Pettit SC :P
Love your videos! So glad i stumbled across the channel.
David Pratte
Would be great if it got built up and you guys did a head to head to head, RX8 v ASS2000 v FRS. All fantastic lightweight FR cars with their own pros and cons. Hoping the RX8 stays Renesis with that Pettit SC :P
Love your videos! So glad i stumbled across the channel.
Why did you guys do the ac delete on the old engine if you just had to switch it to the new one?
+Nic because we like to do things twice? Haha. We just wanted to show everyone the Raceseng parts in one episode is all. No other reason. We knew we'd have to swap it over, but it's 3 bolts and 2 minutes out of our lives so not a big deal.
haha ok just wondering, love this series tho!
Any idea how much the long block weighed? I am pulling mine today. Did you guys use "eye" bolts to mate the chains to? and if so, where did you put the "eye" bolts. Good video! you guys rock!
Do you know if 2015 impreza wagons share with same unibody aluminum structures with the WRX and sti? also in a couple of years I would like to swap in a sti motor in my impreza wagon, is that doable?
you must be new to the internet.
wait i dont get the motor swap. Isnt that the same motor as the stock one?
nice video... whats the deal with the Datsun in the back?
When you install that engine dose your ac and power steering still work?
Will the stock transmission be compatible with the 3sge?
Where did you guys find another FA20 in ontario
What was wrong with the "tired and abused engine"?
J Lynam The old engine has been through hell and back. Our Targa event last year, Pikes peak the year before, and it had nitrous and been turbocharged before that. We didnt want to take any chances with this one blowing up on us at the Ontario1500 event.
I have a 2013 frs and it takes 0w20 oil and you guys put in 5w20???
+carlos vela actually, we ran Valvoline Pro-V race oil 5w30 in this engine for the Ontario-1500. Based on how quickly we saw the 20 weight breaking down from high heat conditions at the track, we felt a 30 weight would give us a bit of added protection and based on how good the oil looked during and after a week straight of racing at the Ontario-1500 it appeared to be a good choice. But for a regular street driven FR-S that doesn't see extended track use, 0w20 is probably the way to go. Just make sure to use a high quality synthetic oil if you're taking your car to the track, because it can take the heat much better than a non-synthetic oil can.
I don't understand, why swap in the exact same motor?
+Grant Nicholson Because the old motor was tired and worn out. It had been turbocharged and nitrous sprayed into it.
Will the Fa20 from a 2015 work on a 2013 ?
2jz in the frs? so why swap for another fa?
Anything done to the internals of the new FA20 or was it just swapped because it has less miles?
Ethanmeister just swapped in because the original engine in the car has led a very hard life including Targa Newfoundland last year and a bunch of racing the previous year in the hands of the VCMC dudes out in BC. We felt for Ontario1500 it was a good idea to drop a fresher engine in that presumably hasn't seen any race miles (bought it from a wrecker with about 30k km on it).
David Pratte I cant believe FR-s/BRZ/GT86s are already in wrecking yards....I want one sooo bad.
+MechRider89 Buy one. They're easy to work on (as you can see) and their parts actually aren't all that expensive.
+David Pratte What did you do with the old engine? Build it or just sell it?
we still have it. We'd like to build it and turn up the boost a bunch.
Ngl the new engine they put in sounds like it’s broken like how mine sounded when I missed a gear and broke a rod
Its lasted over 4 years now. 👍🏼
Speed Academy that’s good. Btw it wasn’t hate.
You guys make that swap look easy. Keep up the good work. Whats the deal with the red datsun in the background? Looks good
jorges2000 Ha! And here we thought we always make things look difficult. The Z will be featured in a video VERY soon.
I would like to see an ej25 swap in an 86/brz
What was wrong with the old engine?
Scott M. The old engine had a really hard life with nitrous and turbocharging so this way we ensure we have a less-stressed engine to run the Ontario1500 event with.
Can you swap a 2016 motor into a 2013 brz frs?
Was this before the big wing and wheels?
TheReidGuy No sir, if you look you can see the big wing is on there. W took the wheels off because we dont want them getting dinged up.
Speed Academy Ahh gotcha
What about the the z in the back
i know a couple people working at Subaru and they made swapping the engine easy for a bad reason, so they dont have to pay so much for warranty cause they can be very unreliable
ceralkill3r This engine has been through hell and back and is still running so from our experience its been super reliable. The only reason we swapped it out is to not take any chances at this point. We want to ensure we have a worry-free event.
yeah ive heard of the fa20 being supper reliable though but me thinks Toyota had something to do with that, although did you ever get any noises from the direct injection pump i know those were becoming a problem when i was at the dealership
ceralkill3r The engine is designed and built by Subaru so there's no Toyota in that part of it. :) We've heard the loud direct injectors but never a pump but that's a good thing to check out! Thanks!
Hi guy's I have a scion tc with a after marked intake and a TRD exhaust and I'm looking for a new clutch not sure if I should go with Toyota or if there is a specific one that you can recommend that will really help me allot.thank love you're channel guys hope I can heard from you soon.
+Victor Pedraza Yes, we use SPEC clutches and love them. Just stick with a stage 1 and you'll have very stock like feel without the mushy feeling like the stock clutch that is in there now.
+Speed Academy thanks for getting back to me.
what is the red car in the back?
270z Datsun
@speed academy will a 2019 fa20 fit in a 2013 frs
Is it just as hard with the automatic trans. taking the engine out ?
We wouldnt say its hard but the procedure is pretty much the same.
Lots of people have probably already told you this but putting a 2JZ into the BMW is a massive waste of both money and resources. Youd be far better off and itd be far more interesting if you built a turbo M50/54 engine in the BMW instead. They easely hold up for as much power as the 2JZ and parts and kits are everywhere. Plus its BMW, no crossbranding necessary.
I make that chain case at work
+ReaIDeaI1 No kidding! Well it certainly came in handy.
what is wrong with the engine so you replaced it with another?
+Mohammed Omer Abu-talib It was tired since the engine had a turbocharger installed and nitrous. We wanted a fresher engine.
Do you recommend the GT86 with manual transmission as a daily for me ? I always drive fast and I always put the pedal to the floor.
+Mohammed Omer Abu-talib If you enjoy driving then the manual GT86 will be the funner car over an automatic.
Now we can say: "JUNK YARD ENGINES FTW"
Alberto Pettine We'll say that when we dyno tune it and the engine doesn't blow up, haha.
Speed Academy At least the ass2k didnt blow up. This one will pass the test! Good luck!
question is there any solution to the shipping of the engine
+didipong flown A large crate. GM Ships its crate engine in a big wooden boxed crate.
How about a solution to the awful cricket noise that the engine has how do you fix that problem
+didipong flown You mean the ticking from the injectors? Haha, that can't be fixed, welcome to the world of direct injection.
Where did you guys buy the engine ??
what about a Ls swap into a 9c1 police Caprice or brz 🤔🤔
the scion should be have the 2jz!
love this channel hey guys so quick question! why a (swap) on the same engine did something happen to other one... and where did you get the other fa20 engine at !? dealership or what !?
+ricardo juarez We bought it at an auto wrecker and the old engine was tired, had been turbocharged, run at Pikes Peak, Targa Newfoundland and even had nitrous sprayed into it. To be safe, we thought time to swap it with a less abused engine.
hey what was the reason for the swap?? low compression ? i just did the hks v3 kit and plan on doing a full botton end and valve springs over this winter just wonder what you guys have done and what dyne results you have gotten with fi?
+Kyle f The engine was tired, it was turbocharged in the past and had nitrous on it
+Speed Academy wow that's pretty intense for a stock fa20 poor thing lol what are you guys running this year in the 86?