@@CrocO1978 I answered at first same, but @Andi_de said Alpine, and i watched in a bigger computer screen, and compared on images from google, and he is right.. It is the rounder alpine..
I went through the video and tried to catch every single car, in order: VW Polo Mk II + Audi Quattro VW Corrado + VW Polo Mk II VW Golf Mk I Opel Ascona B (the burnout) Opel Kadett E (+ motorbike) VW Polo Mk II (Interior shot) Motorbikes BMW 3 series (E30) BMW 3 series (E21) + Opel Omega A (Nissan 180 SX nope, stand corrected) Alpine A610 (popup lights and the round Alpine logo had me stumped) Mercedes 190E ('Baby-Benz', barrier crash) Motorbikes VW Scirocco Mk II VW Golf Mk II + Porsche 911 (930) Mercedes SL (R129) - I had a summer job in the factory in Bremen where those were built! :D Opel Kadett D (Rollover) Audi 80 (B3 or B4 - they changed details one can not/barely see on this grainy material) Opel Ascona C (rattlecan touchup) VW Golf Mk II BMW 3 series (E36) Mercedes S-class (R126) Renault R5 Turbo (Rallye homologation model with mid-engine layout) VW Scirocco Mk II VW Beetle Motorbike Opel Rekord E2 Mitsubishi Colt GTI (I presume - the details of the wheelarches are lacking in visuals, the car being black) Porsche 911 Cabrio (964) Toyota Celica (T16) BMW 3 series (E30) Opel Kadett D VW Golf Mk I VW Beetle-based buggy kit-car VW Polo Mk III + VW Golf Mk III VW Golf Mk I (some 5 series BMW in the still, then) Lotus Elise Motorbike VW Golf Mk II (Barrier crash) Porsche 911 Cabrio G-model (US spec) Porsche 911 (964) Subaru Impreza Mk II or Mk III (+2 BMW 3 series E30s) In-car footage and exterior of what seems to be a Toyota Carina station wagon Motorbikes Ford Ka
@@theogantenbein7870 those ugly unpainted plastic bumpers say not a 911 anymore, but also no 964 (those had painted, more flush bumpers) Also, the lights mounted in the bumpers.... Theoretically, it could have been a G-model, but those had smaller bumpers.
@@fronterag40What makes you say that? I thought G40's came on BBS wheels and had a red G40 grill badge. Looks kind of base spec with aftermarket wheels to me.
@@eyesodd there was two series of G40s , a preseries of 100 cars around 1987 black coupes with round front lights and little red G40 badges. And the regular series from 1991 to 1993 with square lights and bbs wheels and a red striped on the bumpers…
You should see footage from the 70s. That´s really wild. You´ll see oldschool cars that handle very badly, more flips, people flying out of cars because there weren´t seatbelts etc. Totally badass :D
Yeah , i once saw my Dad in one of those. Not driving , running to an crashed Car to help the one who crashed trough his non savetyglass sidewindow back on his feed.
About twenty years ago, one of my clients was an IAM instructor/examiner and I will always remember the thing he told me about bad drivers. "THE very worst drivers are the ones who think they are really good drivers"
Dunning-Kruger Effect: This phenomenon describes how people who are incompetent in a particular domain tend to overestimate their own abilities and performance. They are often unaware of their own mistakes and lack the skills to recognize their own limitations.
911s were called Widow-Makers. For a reason. With the weight being distributed mostly towards the rear, managing weight shifts - especially in curve-combinations - is a real challenge. The rear loves to take a good look at where you're driving. More modern Porsches have the motor more in the middle of the car, providing MUCH better balance. But the classic 911s were/are, indeed, a handful to drive.
They require a different approach to turns when you're close to the limit, only brake in straights and gradually accelerate out of the corner. The Turbos on the other hand... I hope you learn your torque curve and shifting rev matches perfectly, otherwise, there's going to be surprises when you downshift into the high end of the powerband.
I even slept on the Nürburgring on a nightliner tourbus when our band played at Rock am Ring. Our driver was so happy driving the big double decker bus around the track to get our backstage parking. We had N.E.R.D. Parked on the left of us and Damageplan on the right. Awesome memories!
At that time, it was not possible to memorize the racetrack due playing the track on a console or PC. Most drivers were completely unprepared and had no driving aids at all. Even ABS was anything but common and was only available in the upper and luxury classes.
Where the most of the clips were filmed from is Adenauer forst, the chicane you see is after a very fast section of the track (Fuchsrohre) and is a blind entry hence the snap oversteer fails!
The evil thing about Adenauer Forst isn't even that it's blind, but that the radius of the curve actually changes rather dramatically so when you first spot it and you think "got it" suddenly it tightens up and you end up not gotting it at all. My first few laps of the 'ring I spun out at AF because I was going too fast going in - you actually have to watch for some landmarks and start braking even though there's nothing to see just yet
The cars in order: VW Polo 2 + Audi Coupe, VW Corrado + VW Polo 2, VW Golf 1, Opel Ascona B, Opel Kadett D, BMW 3series e30, BMW 3series e21+ Opel Senator A2, Renault Alpine A610 ( rear mounted V6 shared with the DeLorean DMC12 ) , Mercedes 190E W201 + Audi 80, VW Scirocco 2, Ford Focus + Porsche 911, Mercedes SL R129, Opel Kadett D, Audi 80, Opel Rekord E1, VW Golf 2, BMW 3series e36, Mercedes E Class W124, Renault 5 Turbo 2, VW Scirocco 2, VW Käfer, Opel Rekord E2, Renault Clio + VW Golf 1, Porsche 911, Toyota Celica T16 ( was available in the US and isn´t a Ford Probe but the Probe was available in Europe ) , BMW 3series e30, Opel Kadett D, VW Golf 1, I don´t know but looks like a Buggy kit car based on a VW Käfer chassis, VW Polo 3 + VW Golf 3, VW Golf 1, BMW 5series e12, Lotus Elise, VW Golf 2, Porsche 911, Porsche 911, Subaru Impreza GC8 + two BMW 3series e30, Toyota Avensis T22, Ford Ka .
The late, great Sabine Shmitz but down and awesome lap in a Ford Transit van on Top gear. You may get a kick out of that. The new studio is looking tops too mate👍
In France caca (sounds like kaka) mean poo, so we called that car the Ford kaka because we tought it was ugly 🤣 Also we say Merde for shit and there is a Nissan MR2 that sound exactly like merde in french so they removed the 2 when they selled the car in France and sticked to Nissan MR.
Being Portuguese, I can relate to some similar linguistic mishaps. The Opel Ascona and Hyundai Kona have an intonation reminiscent of the slang name for female genitalia. The Hyundai has been renamed the Kauai.
4:43 True, it is fun. But of you crash your car into someone else’s car or into the barrier you are gonna pay for that! Because insurance is not covering you on the circuit.
I think, nowadays they do, just with a high deductible. Tourist days basically have public road rules, not race rules. You have to let people pass by going right lane and signalling that you saw them, and they have to wait until you blink, for example. Also speed limit on certain spots. And you are not allowed to publish accident footage and lap times.
@@agricolaurbanus6209 I'm sure some might cover it if you pay up. On my insurance however it speciffically mention nurnburg ring as one of the places I'm not covered.
@@DonGorgen I guess, you could get some Ring insurance with the car if you rent one there. And another thing is, on tourist days, since it is considered public road-ish, you are not allowed to run a car in public without insurance. Anyway, if you cause damage, you will pay a certain amount yourself, maybe 20k or so, idk. As for this video, I think, some of the behaviour displayed will get you banned nowadays.
@@agricolaurbanus6209 You need to pay a fee to enter a closed off area wich makes it a closed cicuit, even if the traffic rules are similar to what we have on the road. And yeah there are rental companies that do rent out speciffically for the track, and there are insurance companies that do offer temporary insurance for your track day, but they are quite pricy from what I've heard.
That corner is really famous, it’s like the first sharp turn after a long faster bit of the track so if you don’t know the track it catches you of guard
Don't have stress for posting videos. Seen a lot of nice channels that stopped because they felt the presure of "the internet" to keep posting. But you still seem to have fun and no stress. Nice to see !
6:41 Renault Alpine A310! 🤗 And yes, Porsche 911s require competent drivers. You have to really respect them and their limits or you'll end up in all messes roads can throw at you. The good thing is that they are reliable enough to be pretty high up the range sports cars that are daily drivers. This gives you the opportunity to get experienced with them. Many of the Porsche owners really get to know their cars and Porsches used to be the ones going over the Nürburgring at incredible pace at the Touristenfahrten.
Man, those old cars were all soo softly sprung... :) This corner in particular is excellent for videos like this, it easily catches drivers out, especially beginners. There's tons of videos from there, from all periods. :)
Yep, the quad-S-bend at Adenauer Forst, the place where noobs wipe out. Medium drivers tries to show off at Brünchen anf pay the price. Only once you drive something with real power and have the balls to send it over Flugplatz you'll come into Schwedenkreutz fast enough to cause problems.
Yes, the chassis and tyres of many of the cars shown here were state of the art by the standards of the time. In addition, there were almost no assistance systems, not even ABS was particularly widespread, apart from the really expensive cars here.
Back in the 90s tuning was rare and wheels, brakes and suspension where not made for the track. Today, you buy a BMW M(x), a Ford Focus STi, a Honda Civic Type R or something comparable (every manufacturer has his own "sports" variant) and you have a really nice track car for the streets.
First video in the new studio being about the famous Nürburgring? Couldn't have a better introduction to the new studio on this specific channel than that one!
The second car that came in was a nice old Audi Coupe. I had one of those back in the mid-90s. 2.2-liter five-cylinder, 1000 kilograms of weight, 136 hp, a real fun mobile.
So many people are underestimating that corner back then and still today. The best part is, its relatively easy to take that turn if you know how. The break point of it is kinda unforeseeable as the turn itself is a bit "hidden" meaning you see it a bit late.
Yeah, as a driver, particularly a tourist who's travelled a long way to do some laps, you want it dry and sunny. As a spectator, though, mixed weather conditions create the most interesting races.
There’s a lot of popular corners to spectate, the inside of corner is slightly positive and transitions to negative from middle to outer corner. By you don’t see the camber change untill your on it.
Cars others didn't mention: 5:16 - Opel Kadett 9:40 - Renault 5 Turbo (the same that was used in Group B) 11:33 - Opel Kadett 17:30 - Toyota Avensis SW
I've been there with a friend, who knew what he was doing (he had racing licenses). It was scary, what (or who) drove there. Families with their whole two week vacation luggage, men at any ages full of overestimation (driving Porsches, really significant), busses full of old people or kids (or both) and inbetween motorcycles.
17:57 is a Ford Ka, made as a fun budget model below the Fiesta (that it shared most of it's components with) from 1996 to 2008, before being replaced by a new version based on the same car as the Fiat 500 that was also introduced around 2007/2008. Had a reputation for being a fun litle car with good handling, just like the original mini. Got pretty basic interiors that's like going back to the 1970's (e.g. painted metal along the top of the doors where it meets the bottom of the window)
The thing about Porsche 911 - the pendulum effect. The engine is BEHIND the rear axle. Once you lose the "good" perfect balance on a curve, all the weight ofcthe engine will push the back "to the outside", losing the rear.
did a lap there once and it was about the most fun can have with clothes on. I had no plans to really push it, but there is so much public and cameras pointed at my car. At one point i decided i was not going to be the schlemiel of the day and started pushing it... before almost crashing shortly after. (was lucky to keep it within the lines)
The Nürburgring is technically not a track, it is a public tool road. You car must have valid insurance and safety inspection and you must have a valid drivers licence in order to be able to drive there. If you have a crash you are responsible for the recovery costs to remove your car and you have to pay for any damage to do to the Armco barrier as well as the costs to fix it. I live 3½ hours from the Nürburgring and one day I will go and drive around it. The last car is a Ford Ka and they handle surprisingly well for being a cheap hatchback.
That "burn out car" is an Opel Ascona Type B. I had one of those. Awesome car to drive, you knew exactly how it would behave. (video is a bit "squashed" so hard to recognize all cars) New studio looks real nice!. But it need some backlights. Can be something simple as a lamp laying on the floor pointing up in the corner right behind you, or maybe some led's down the wall corner. Your face is very dark on that side. If you already got some Elgato stuff, its real 'easy' to add light to control to those "boxes" :)
The Blue Car @6:50 is a Renault Alpine ;-) And the open Car @13:27 was a "Buggy" it was a Kitcar that was on a Beetel Platform... like in the 70 - 80 range very popular back in the days..
The new setup looks nice! Misha Charoudin did a video on the Corvertte C8 Z06 on the Nurburgring recently. You might wanna check it out, apparently the car is "too fast" for public sessions 😅 I really want to see that thing on a proper track day, the car is really impressive.
4:50 An Opel Ascona B, which is the sedan version of the famous Opel Manta B. This one specifically has the official colour scheme of the Opel racing division. But, I guess, it only has the 2.0l I4 CIH-engine. Maybe with mods, like 40/45 DCOE Weber carbs and 2,5" (Group A) exhaust and maybe aggressive cam mods, telling by the sound.
Like the new studio! The best lap ever is the much missed Sabine Schmitz in a Transit van The Alpine had the same inherent issues as a 911, engine at the wrong end!
Well, it always looks so easy when racing drivers do it. In my region there is the "Schleizer Dreieck Rennen" and outside of the race it is a normal road. It is really not easy to drive fast on it with a normal car. Check out the videos of the "Schleizer Dreieck"
16:10 - all pre-996 models of 911 had a problem that wasn't really fixed: The rear semi-trailing arm suspension would introduce a rather unfortunate camber change right at the edge of traction, and it got worse with worn-out rubber bushings (hence why many sporty old 911 would go through the ordeal of installing really stiff PU or even uniball bushings, which makes the ride very very harsh and vibratey - but linearizes the handling). It can be said that that is the actual cause of 911 snap oversteer, not the engine placement per se.
you heard right about porsche... they are precision knifes but with the rwd and the engine in the back the have alot of mechanical grip, but when the back kicks out is the moment where you can spot a good driver and one who thinks he is a good driver
Modern Porsche 911 models are fairly save, but in particular some 1970s versions were sometimes referred to as ‘widow makers’ (Witwenmacher). Rear wheel drive, engine behind the rear axle, relatively powerful, no stability controls, compared to toady mediocre tires are not a great recipe for stability. One version that stands out is the first turbo version of the 911 sold. Even more power combined with a very sudden power surge as the turbo kicks in, in the rain you’d want to stay out of the turbo range.
Many of these videos are shot from a corner called Adenauer Forst. That one is particularly tricky because you get there at great speed from a right curve, then there is a very tight left corner getting much tighter in the middle. That is where everyone gets off. It is also one of the few places where there is actual grass to get on, other places just have a very rigid armcomb... And don't forget that most of the kerbstones are not meant to drive on, some are about 20 cm high (a bit like the average American sidewalk height difference). See 11:46 for a great shot of those kerbs.
Dude, your mancave is awesome! I want the blue mini fridge for my drinks 😁 First car is a Opel Corsa mk2 from the early 90's. There could also be a Volkswagen Polo mk2 and a Citroën AX from the early 90's in there as well, the car logo's were removed because that was considered 'cool' in those days. 😅 These little hatchbacks are under 13 feet, no a/c, manual gearboxes, probably no power steering, basic 1,000-1,400cc 4 cylinder engines from around 45-60 bhp. 0-62 times were from 13 seconds up to 20 seconds. These cars weighed between 1,500 to 1,800 lb and could fit 4-5 adults (if you squeezed a bit)😂. Standard versions cost around 8,000-10,000 $ at the time. The last car is a 90's Ford KA with 60 bhp, quite fun/sporty handling car despite its bubbly looks, it did 0-62 in 13 seconds and that's considered 'not slow but just enough' for European standards. We do drive them on highway speeds up to 75 mph, pedal to the metal of course in the slow lane 😂
911s have to be driven differently because of the rear engine layout where you have to trail brake into the corner and through the apex you have to get back on throttle and load up the back wheels to get maximum grip but not too much if it's a turbo or you can break traction which is ok if you know how to control it in a power slide. If you lift mid corner thinking "I'm going too fast for the corner " it will very likely swap ends which is called "lift off oversteer " and many people have come very unstuck from lifting off in the middle of a high speed corner and destroyed their car and a couple of barriers in the process when they could have just stayed committed on the gas and they would have been fine.
@@aphextwin5712 And that's exactly why small cars are fun. Making tyres squeal and rear wheels lift off at 60 km/h gives you all the joy with minimal danger.
2:45 It's a Polo III (which is only a face lift of the Polo 86C). Best engine in it was the G40, a weird innovation of a (VW proprietary) supercharger, that sadly suffered from considerable reliability issues.
If there's ever an unknown hatchback or small saloon/sedan in most 80s or 90s European footage, chances are it's an Opel - they were the common everyperson's brand of car in those countries back then.
Him: ''Hi Darling !'' Her: ''Where have you been ? And why did you go by Taxi ? Where is our car ?'' Him: '' Well Darling... Don`t worry ...I`ll fix that...''
One thing to remember is that Nurburgring public sessions aren’t for pushing your cars. They’re tourist laps, so go there as a tourists not a racing driver
Back in the day when you could pretty much park on the Ring and paint yourself a mural on the track without seeing another car. Then social media hit…..
These are fun because tire tech back the had a lot less grip so people could spin an do minimal damage. You don't want to wreck there as you have to pay for and track damage so sending it these days is a lot harder.
Engine in the back shouldn't be a problem at all, but Ferdinand Porsche decided in his infinite wisdom, to design the 911 with the engine behind the rearaxle, which gives it his signature-(un)drivability.
the early 911 and especially the turbos were very difficult to handle. the newer ones have a lot of electronis that help the driver but you can still spin them...
I'm only halfway through the video and already a couple of rollovers. That looks really dangerous, since I think those were stock cars without a roll cage and the drivers probably didn't even wear a helmet. But a great video, so back to it.
There's a new video(s) I think you'll enjoy, it's from the channel Hubnut, and he did a tour of the Citroën manufacturer collection, because they were going to close it. He's really knowledgeable about Citroens, and the videos will teach you a lot about them.
6:34 Renault Alpine A610
You're right..at first glance looked a 300zx first generation..
i thought it was an alpine
I came to post it's a Renault A610 :)
@@ROBOTRIX_eu i think to Nissan 300zx
@@CrocO1978 I answered at first same, but @Andi_de said Alpine, and i watched in a bigger computer screen, and compared on images from google, and he is right.. It is the rounder alpine..
13:54 "Trust me, I'm a good driver!" Famous last words on the Nürburgring😁
He probably is because he drives a manual too.
I went through the video and tried to catch every single car, in order:
VW Polo Mk II + Audi Quattro
VW Corrado + VW Polo Mk II
VW Golf Mk I
Opel Ascona B (the burnout)
Opel Kadett E (+ motorbike)
VW Polo Mk II
(Interior shot)
Motorbikes
BMW 3 series (E30)
BMW 3 series (E21) + Opel Omega A
(Nissan 180 SX nope, stand corrected) Alpine A610 (popup lights and the round Alpine logo had me stumped)
Mercedes 190E ('Baby-Benz', barrier crash)
Motorbikes
VW Scirocco Mk II
VW Golf Mk II + Porsche 911 (930)
Mercedes SL (R129) - I had a summer job in the factory in Bremen where those were built! :D
Opel Kadett D (Rollover)
Audi 80 (B3 or B4 - they changed details one can not/barely see on this grainy material)
Opel Ascona C (rattlecan touchup)
VW Golf Mk II
BMW 3 series (E36)
Mercedes S-class (R126)
Renault R5 Turbo (Rallye homologation model with mid-engine layout)
VW Scirocco Mk II
VW Beetle
Motorbike
Opel Rekord E2
Mitsubishi Colt GTI (I presume - the details of the wheelarches are lacking in visuals, the car being black)
Porsche 911 Cabrio (964)
Toyota Celica (T16)
BMW 3 series (E30)
Opel Kadett D
VW Golf Mk I
VW Beetle-based buggy kit-car
VW Polo Mk III + VW Golf Mk III
VW Golf Mk I
(some 5 series BMW in the still, then)
Lotus Elise
Motorbike
VW Golf Mk II (Barrier crash)
Porsche 911 Cabrio G-model (US spec)
Porsche 911 (964)
Subaru Impreza Mk II or Mk III (+2 BMW 3 series E30s)
In-car footage and exterior of what seems to be a Toyota Carina station wagon
Motorbikes
Ford Ka
at 10:28 it's a mk1 clio 16v, not a colt gti✌
14:50 Not a 930.
E23 is 7 series. But there was a red E21 somewhere at.. 6:18
@@gaborzsoldos781 my bad, should have read E28.
@@theogantenbein7870 those ugly unpainted plastic bumpers say not a 911 anymore, but also no 964 (those had painted, more flush bumpers) Also, the lights mounted in the bumpers.... Theoretically, it could have been a G-model, but those had smaller bumpers.
2:41 vw Polo
4:59 Opel Ascona
11:05 Toyota Celica
18:03 Ford Ka
Polo G40 🙌
und ein Mitsubishi war auch noch dabei
@@fronterag40What makes you say that? I thought G40's came on BBS wheels and had a red G40 grill badge. Looks kind of base spec with aftermarket wheels to me.
@@eyesodd most of them was regular polo, but there is one or 2 there, the bumpers for exemple, not only the wheeles.
@@eyesodd there was two series of G40s , a preseries of 100 cars around 1987 black coupes with round front lights and little red G40 badges. And the regular series from 1991 to 1993 with square lights and bbs wheels and a red striped on the bumpers…
You should see footage from the 70s. That´s really wild. You´ll see oldschool cars that handle very badly, more flips, people flying out of cars because there weren´t seatbelts etc. Totally badass :D
Yeah those are some narly vids.
Yeah, stupidity and recklessness is totally badass.😂
"Rhapsodie in Blech 1 MPEG2" is one of the videos on youtube
Yeah , i once saw my Dad in one of those. Not driving , running to an crashed Car to help the one who crashed trough his non savetyglass sidewindow back on his feed.
About twenty years ago, one of my clients was an IAM instructor/examiner and I will always remember the thing he told me about bad drivers. "THE very worst drivers are the ones who think they are really good drivers"
Dunning-Kruger Effect: This phenomenon describes how people who are incompetent in a particular domain tend to overestimate their own abilities and performance. They are often unaware of their own mistakes and lack the skills to recognize their own limitations.
Over confident and lack of skills is the most dangerous combination
911s were called Widow-Makers. For a reason. With the weight being distributed mostly towards the rear, managing weight shifts - especially in curve-combinations - is a real challenge. The rear loves to take a good look at where you're driving. More modern Porsches have the motor more in the middle of the car, providing MUCH better balance. But the classic 911s were/are, indeed, a handful to drive.
Only the 911 930 turbo's earned that nickname. "When the rear slides, DO NOT LIFT" was a hard rule. If you lift, it is gone.
They require a different approach to turns when you're close to the limit, only brake in straights and gradually accelerate out of the corner. The Turbos on the other hand... I hope you learn your torque curve and shifting rev matches perfectly, otherwise, there's going to be surprises when you downshift into the high end of the powerband.
I even slept on the Nürburgring on a nightliner tourbus when our band played at Rock am Ring.
Our driver was so happy driving the big double decker bus around the track to get our backstage parking. We had N.E.R.D. Parked on the left of us and Damageplan on the right. Awesome memories!
17:54 is a ford ka.
At that time, it was not possible to memorize the racetrack due playing the track on a console or PC. Most drivers were completely unprepared and had no driving aids at all. Even ABS was anything but common and was only available in the upper and luxury classes.
The blue mistery car is an Alpine A610. Mid-Engine 3l V6 Turbo with 250 PS.
Rear engine, not mid engine. ;-)
The tiny rims were all the rage in the early/mid 90s. They couldn’t be too small, 13“ 12“, the smaller, the better.
Love your new studio! The audio and visual, is perfect.
Where the most of the clips were filmed from is Adenauer forst, the chicane you see is after a very fast section of the track (Fuchsrohre) and is a blind entry hence the snap oversteer fails!
The evil thing about Adenauer Forst isn't even that it's blind, but that the radius of the curve actually changes rather dramatically so when you first spot it and you think "got it" suddenly it tightens up and you end up not gotting it at all. My first few laps of the 'ring I spun out at AF because I was going too fast going in - you actually have to watch for some landmarks and start braking even though there's nothing to see just yet
The blue coupé is à Alpine Renault A610 turbo 🇫🇷😉
I thought it was a Mitsubishi 3000 "something".
Of all the 'Nordschleife Touristenfahrten' videos I've seen, it's always the Economy Cars and Work Vehicles that look like the Most fun. 😂😂
The image quality is so sharp. Amazing. Great improvement!
The cars in order: VW Polo 2 + Audi Coupe, VW Corrado + VW Polo 2, VW Golf 1, Opel Ascona B, Opel Kadett D, BMW 3series e30, BMW 3series e21+ Opel Senator A2, Renault Alpine A610 ( rear mounted V6 shared with the DeLorean DMC12 ) , Mercedes 190E W201 + Audi 80, VW Scirocco 2, Ford Focus + Porsche 911, Mercedes SL R129, Opel Kadett D, Audi 80, Opel Rekord E1, VW Golf 2, BMW 3series e36, Mercedes E Class W124, Renault 5 Turbo 2, VW Scirocco 2, VW Käfer, Opel Rekord E2, Renault Clio + VW Golf 1, Porsche 911, Toyota Celica T16 ( was available in the US and isn´t a Ford Probe but the Probe was available in Europe ) , BMW 3series e30, Opel Kadett D, VW Golf 1, I don´t know but looks like a Buggy kit car based on a VW Käfer chassis, VW Polo 3 + VW Golf 3, VW Golf 1, BMW 5series e12, Lotus Elise, VW Golf 2, Porsche 911, Porsche 911, Subaru Impreza GC8 + two BMW 3series e30, Toyota Avensis T22, Ford Ka .
The late, great Sabine Shmitz but down and awesome lap in a Ford Transit van on Top gear. You may get a kick out of that.
The new studio is looking tops too mate👍
Congrats with the new studio! Awesome!
That last car was Ford Ka it's really good to drive even with this bubble design
love the new set up Ian great work!
Last car is a Ford KA (1st Gen)
In Australia back in the day, if you bought a brand new Ford Falcon. You could buy the Ford Ka for half price.
@@willernst8734 Probably you could tranport it in the boot😄
In France caca (sounds like kaka) mean poo, so we called that car the Ford kaka because we tought it was ugly 🤣 Also we say Merde for shit and there is a Nissan MR2 that sound exactly like merde in french so they removed the 2 when they selled the car in France and sticked to Nissan MR.
Being Portuguese, I can relate to some similar linguistic mishaps.
The Opel Ascona and Hyundai Kona have an intonation reminiscent of the slang name for female genitalia. The Hyundai has been renamed the Kauai.
I had a Ford KA back in '98. It was really nice to drive BUT it came only with 50 or 60 bhp with a 1.3l motor. Nothing for a track day^^
4:43 True, it is fun. But of you crash your car into someone else’s car or into the barrier you are gonna pay for that! Because insurance is not covering you on the circuit.
I think, nowadays they do, just with a high deductible. Tourist days basically have public road rules, not race rules.
You have to let people pass by going right lane and signalling that you saw them, and they have to wait until you blink, for example. Also speed limit on certain spots. And you are not allowed to publish accident footage and lap times.
@@agricolaurbanus6209 I'm sure some might cover it if you pay up. On my insurance however it speciffically mention nurnburg ring as one of the places I'm not covered.
@@DonGorgen I guess, you could get some Ring insurance with the car if you rent one there.
And another thing is, on tourist days, since it is considered public road-ish, you are not allowed to run a car in public without insurance.
Anyway, if you cause damage, you will pay a certain amount yourself, maybe 20k or so, idk.
As for this video, I think, some of the behaviour displayed will get you banned nowadays.
@@agricolaurbanus6209 You need to pay a fee to enter a closed off area wich makes it a closed cicuit, even if the traffic rules are similar to what we have on the road.
And yeah there are rental companies that do rent out speciffically for the track, and there are insurance companies that do offer temporary insurance for your track day, but they are quite pricy from what I've heard.
That corner is really famous, it’s like the first sharp turn after a long faster bit of the track so if you don’t know the track it catches you of guard
Don't have stress for posting videos. Seen a lot of nice channels that stopped because they felt the presure of "the internet" to keep posting. But you still seem to have fun and no stress. Nice to see !
0:08 Congratulations on the new studio equipment
6:41 Renault Alpine A310! 🤗
And yes, Porsche 911s require competent drivers. You have to really respect them and their limits or you'll end up in all messes roads can throw at you. The good thing is that they are reliable enough to be pretty high up the range sports cars that are daily drivers. This gives you the opportunity to get experienced with them. Many of the Porsche owners really get to know their cars and Porsches used to be the ones going over the Nürburgring at incredible pace at the Touristenfahrten.
Man, those old cars were all soo softly sprung... :)
This corner in particular is excellent for videos like this, it easily catches drivers out, especially beginners. There's tons of videos from there, from all periods. :)
Yep, the quad-S-bend at Adenauer Forst, the place where noobs wipe out.
Medium drivers tries to show off at Brünchen anf pay the price.
Only once you drive something with real power and have the balls to send it over Flugplatz you'll come into Schwedenkreutz fast enough to cause problems.
Realising how suspensions evolved in the years
Yes, the chassis and tyres of many of the cars shown here were state of the art by the standards of the time. In addition, there were almost no assistance systems, not even ABS was particularly widespread, apart from the really expensive cars here.
Back in the 90s tuning was rare and wheels, brakes and suspension where not made for the track. Today, you buy a BMW M(x), a Ford Focus STi, a Honda Civic Type R or something comparable (every manufacturer has his own "sports" variant) and you have a really nice track car for the streets.
Set up is looking awsome , not to bad of a work environment 😂. 🤘❤️🇪🇺🇺🇲
6:25 alpine gta
10:53 maybe a ford escort
13:24 perhaps a meyers manx
First video in the new studio being about the famous Nürburgring?
Couldn't have a better introduction to the new studio on this specific channel than that one!
The second car that came in was a nice old Audi Coupe. I had one of those back in the mid-90s. 2.2-liter five-cylinder, 1000 kilograms of weight, 136 hp, a real fun mobile.
911s are known as widowmakers (the old ones).
Its the Porsche 930 Turbo made from 1975 to 1989..
Especially the early turbos, they had the reputation of really requiring you to know what you were doing.
@@rasmuswi Yeah. its almost like Porsche invented Turbo lag :D 930, Crazy cars. All of them
@@JoriDiculous * BMW 2002 Turbo has entered the chat * 😀
@@rasmuswi another (forgotten) gem of a beast !!
Nice, new setup! Looking good and sound is also great 🎉
So many people are underestimating that corner back then and still today. The best part is, its relatively easy to take that turn if you know how. The break point of it is kinda unforeseeable as the turn itself is a bit "hidden" meaning you see it a bit late.
The White and Yellow was an Opel (GM) Ascona. Also made in some very competitive versions. Today French PFA has bought the Brand.
Yeah, as a driver, particularly a tourist who's travelled a long way to do some laps, you want it dry and sunny.
As a spectator, though, mixed weather conditions create the most interesting races.
11:03 Toyota celica gt? remember it from toyota celica gt rally, the game. lol
4th gen Toyota Celica, chassis code T16 ,came as 1.6liter ( AT160 ) , 2.0liter ( ST162 ) and 2.0liter turbo 4WD ( ST165 ) .
There’s a lot of popular corners to spectate, the inside of corner is slightly positive and transitions to negative from middle to outer corner. By you don’t see the camber change untill your on it.
Cars others didn't mention:
5:16 - Opel Kadett
9:40 - Renault 5 Turbo (the same that was used in Group B)
11:33 - Opel Kadett
17:30 - Toyota Avensis SW
I've been there with a friend, who knew what he was doing (he had racing licenses). It was scary, what (or who) drove there. Families with their whole two week vacation luggage, men at any ages full of overestimation (driving Porsches, really significant), busses full of old people or kids (or both) and inbetween motorcycles.
17:57 is a Ford Ka, made as a fun budget model below the Fiesta (that it shared most of it's components with) from 1996 to 2008, before being replaced by a new version based on the same car as the Fiat 500 that was also introduced around 2007/2008. Had a reputation for being a fun litle car with good handling, just like the original mini. Got pretty basic interiors that's like going back to the 1970's (e.g. painted metal along the top of the doors where it meets the bottom of the window)
The thing about Porsche 911 - the pendulum effect.
The engine is BEHIND the rear axle. Once you lose the "good" perfect balance on a curve, all the weight ofcthe engine will push the back "to the outside", losing the rear.
17:50 This "Bubble Car" is a Ford Ka. It was very popular in Germany and Europe.
Great Video and the new look studio looks amazing
did a lap there once and it was about the most fun can have with clothes on.
I had no plans to really push it, but there is so much public and cameras pointed at my car. At one point i decided i was not going to be the schlemiel of the day and started pushing it... before almost crashing shortly after. (was lucky to keep it within the lines)
Of course, I'm an excellent driver.
I love watching this sort of thing. Thanks Ian.
The Nürburgring is technically not a track, it is a public tool road. You car must have valid insurance and safety inspection and you must have a valid drivers licence in order to be able to drive there.
If you have a crash you are responsible for the recovery costs to remove your car and you have to pay for any damage to do to the Armco barrier as well as the costs to fix it.
I live 3½ hours from the Nürburgring and one day I will go and drive around it.
The last car is a Ford Ka and they handle surprisingly well for being a cheap hatchback.
That "burn out car" is an Opel Ascona Type B. I had one of those. Awesome car to drive, you knew exactly how it would behave. (video is a bit "squashed" so hard to recognize all cars)
New studio looks real nice!. But it need some backlights. Can be something simple as a lamp laying on the floor pointing up in the corner right behind you, or maybe some led's down the wall corner. Your face is very dark on that side.
If you already got some Elgato stuff, its real 'easy' to add light to control to those "boxes" :)
The Blue Car @6:50 is a Renault Alpine ;-) And the open Car @13:27 was a "Buggy" it was a Kitcar that was on a Beetel Platform... like in the 70 - 80 range very popular back in the days..
The new setup looks nice!
Misha Charoudin did a video on the Corvertte C8 Z06 on the Nurburgring recently. You might wanna check it out, apparently the car is "too fast" for public sessions 😅
I really want to see that thing on a proper track day, the car is really impressive.
The Green Hell Nurburg Ring 😮 🔥
4:50
An Opel Ascona B, which is the sedan version of the famous Opel Manta B.
This one specifically has the official colour scheme of the Opel racing division.
But, I guess, it only has the 2.0l I4 CIH-engine. Maybe with mods, like 40/45 DCOE Weber carbs and 2,5" (Group A) exhaust and maybe aggressive cam mods, telling by the sound.
This blue one was an Alpine A610 from late 80 ties early 90ties.
Like the new studio!
The best lap ever is the much missed Sabine Schmitz in a Transit van
The Alpine had the same inherent issues as a 911, engine at the wrong end!
The last car (bubble) is a Ford KA
17:50 It's a Ford, we laugh about every Ford over here. 👍🏼
The video that starts at 6:24 is one day shy of 30 years old, that's wild timing.
you really don't realise how harsh those curbs are until you see them for yourself, I spunout 1st time I saw them in person (different track)
wow that video is 30 years old now time flys by
Well, it always looks so easy when racing drivers do it. In my region there is the "Schleizer Dreieck Rennen" and outside of the race it is a normal road. It is really not easy to drive fast on it with a normal car. Check out the videos of the "Schleizer Dreieck"
in 2 days time that video is exactly 30 year sold!!
Yes, awesome. There are so many videos on yt of it. You can watch it even from the 70s. Cars are slower but still hilarious.
7:09
That 'big boat' was the smallest Mercedes model you could buy at the the time.
It's an E190 (W201).
16:10 - all pre-996 models of 911 had a problem that wasn't really fixed: The rear semi-trailing arm suspension would introduce a rather unfortunate camber change right at the edge of traction, and it got worse with worn-out rubber bushings (hence why many sporty old 911 would go through the ordeal of installing really stiff PU or even uniball bushings, which makes the ride very very harsh and vibratey - but linearizes the handling). It can be said that that is the actual cause of 911 snap oversteer, not the engine placement per se.
you heard right about porsche... they are precision knifes but with the rwd and the engine in the back the have alot of mechanical grip, but when the back kicks out is the moment where you can spot a good driver and one who thinks he is a good driver
Modern Porsche 911 models are fairly save, but in particular some 1970s versions were sometimes referred to as ‘widow makers’ (Witwenmacher). Rear wheel drive, engine behind the rear axle, relatively powerful, no stability controls, compared to toady mediocre tires are not a great recipe for stability.
One version that stands out is the first turbo version of the 911 sold. Even more power combined with a very sudden power surge as the turbo kicks in, in the rain you’d want to stay out of the turbo range.
Left of the blue fridge? Is something moving and it drives me crazy because my brain constantly wants to see what’s moving.
It's one of those waving cat figurines.
uh yea super annoying for my brain too
Many of these videos are shot from a corner called Adenauer Forst. That one is particularly tricky because you get there at great speed from a right curve, then there is a very tight left corner getting much tighter in the middle. That is where everyone gets off. It is also one of the few places where there is actual grass to get on, other places just have a very rigid armcomb... And don't forget that most of the kerbstones are not meant to drive on, some are about 20 cm high (a bit like the average American sidewalk height difference). See 11:46 for a great shot of those kerbs.
I watch these clips alot. Always funny and interesting cars and seeing how people run out of talent. Also a bucket list item for me
A lot of the track has inside outside camber across the road because it’s so wide, to drain rain.
Dude, your mancave is awesome! I want the blue mini fridge for my drinks 😁
First car is a Opel Corsa mk2 from the early 90's. There could also be a Volkswagen Polo mk2 and a Citroën AX from the early 90's in there as well, the car logo's were removed because that was considered 'cool' in those days. 😅 These little hatchbacks are under 13 feet, no a/c, manual gearboxes, probably no power steering, basic 1,000-1,400cc 4 cylinder engines from around 45-60 bhp. 0-62 times were from 13 seconds up to 20 seconds. These cars weighed between 1,500 to 1,800 lb and could fit 4-5 adults (if you squeezed a bit)😂.
Standard versions cost around 8,000-10,000 $ at the time. The last car is a 90's Ford KA with 60 bhp, quite fun/sporty handling car despite its bubbly looks, it did 0-62 in 13 seconds and that's considered 'not slow but just enough' for European standards. We do drive them on highway speeds up to 75 mph, pedal to the metal of course in the slow lane 😂
911s have to be driven differently because of the rear engine layout where you have to trail brake into the corner and through the apex you have to get back on throttle and load up the back wheels to get maximum grip but not too much if it's a turbo or you can break traction which is ok if you know how to control it in a power slide. If you lift mid corner thinking "I'm going too fast for the corner " it will very likely swap ends which is called "lift off oversteer " and many people have come very unstuck from lifting off in the middle of a high speed corner and destroyed their car and a couple of barriers in the process when they could have just stayed committed on the gas and they would have been fine.
A famous quote is: People there saw it all. You can´t impress anybody, but you can make everybody laugh.
I love the sound of torturing tyres 😅 The place where I grew up is more curvy and twisty than the Nurburgring. The sound is so familiar and so sweet
One of my first cars was a 1980s VW Polo, on tight curves you could easily and fairly safely make its tires squeal.
@@aphextwin5712 And that's exactly why small cars are fun. Making tyres squeal and rear wheels lift off at 60 km/h gives you all the joy with minimal danger.
10:30 female spectator stating "Der schon wieder?" = "Oh it´s him, again ?" 😅
At 6.40....it's Renault Alpine A610!!!..😊
An Old Porsche is quiet a handfull to drive that is why the old Turbos had the nickname Widowmaker.
2:45
It's a Polo III (which is only a face lift of the Polo 86C).
Best engine in it was the G40, a weird innovation of a (VW proprietary) supercharger, that sadly suffered from considerable reliability issues.
The fact that THIS is still allowed in germany where everything is very regulated and dangerous stuff gets banned never fails to amaze me
Never underestimate a VW Beetle. It is possible to build in a Porsche 911 flat 6 engine into a Beetle. That’s a hell of a sleeper!
Great video! From the technical side, it seems the sound is a bit ahead of the video, at least in the first couple of minutes.
Love the studio!
5:10 Late 80's/early 90's Opel Kadett
5:20 Early 80's Opel Kadett
6:55 That is a Renault Alpine A610 and the recording is 30 years old tomorrow, to the day exactly! The car probably won't exist anymore though....
6:35
It is a beautiful Renault Alpine, the car of the beautiful Misato Katsuragi😍😄
If there's ever an unknown hatchback or small saloon/sedan in most 80s or 90s European footage, chances are it's an Opel - they were the common everyperson's brand of car in those countries back then.
Him: ''Hi Darling !''
Her: ''Where have you been ? And why did you go by Taxi ? Where is our car ?''
Him: '' Well Darling... Don`t worry ...I`ll fix that...''
One thing to remember is that Nurburgring public sessions aren’t for pushing your cars. They’re tourist laps, so go there as a tourists not a racing driver
13:25 dune buggy based on VW Beetle chassis Meyers Manx, custom for grip apparently.
Back in the day when you could pretty much park on the Ring and paint yourself a mural on the track without seeing another car.
Then social media hit…..
These are fun because tire tech back the had a lot less grip so people could spin an do minimal damage. You don't want to wreck there as you have to pay for and track damage so sending it these days is a lot harder.
Engine in the back shouldn't be a problem at all, but Ferdinand Porsche decided in his infinite wisdom, to design the 911 with the engine behind the rearaxle, which gives it his signature-(un)drivability.
the early 911 and especially the turbos were very difficult to handle. the newer ones have a lot of electronis that help the driver but you can still spin them...
In a 911, if you enter a curve too fast, never lose your nerve and let off the throttle or you risk doing a 180°
I'm only halfway through the video and already a couple of rollovers. That looks really dangerous, since I think those were stock cars without a roll cage and the drivers probably didn't even wear a helmet. But a great video, so back to it.
best old style nurburgring vid. is rhapsodie in blech from 1972 to 1974
There's a new video(s) I think you'll enjoy, it's from the channel Hubnut, and he did a tour of the Citroën manufacturer collection, because they were going to close it. He's really knowledgeable about Citroens, and the videos will teach you a lot about them.