Sadly, this is a completely accurate description of how Hollywood thinks medieval battles work. It's right up there with wildly swinging shields around.
@@MightyGachiman Also, the leaders going first on foot doesn't make any sense either... Aren't the generals like the most important people on battlefield that need to be protected as the highest authority?
Its so funny cause this just made me realize that I can think of like 5 different movies where the generals were treated as like genius tacticians and masters at directing their armies and shit just for literally every fight to go just like this and literally no actual tactics to be shown and its just them riding back and forth on a horse yelling inspirational shit to their men while they are all fighting or just sitting on the top of a hill with the other officers or leaders watching from a distance and not directing anything
The only time ive ever thought of a block of soldiers charging into something is when another allied unit is already engaged with the enemy and they're flanking them. Or cavalry running down retreating enemy soldiers or penetrating spear or polearm unit for the foot soldiers to get in
Just minor hint for improvement. You have to put your siege weapons in front of your infantry, so you can't protect them and also make ditches behind your infantry, so that they can't move back. ☝️
@@matteorossi1172 IIRC the Abbasid or Umayyad caliphate did the same when they conquered Iberian peninsula from Visigoth, they burn their ships and manage to won the battle
The funny thing is that this was a tactic that was used very rarely against an unprepared enemy. But not a well prepared enemy that was already on the field
It could work in an ambush, but for this type of battle, no man, it's stupid. I'd rather make a shieldwall and use cavalry to flank enemies formation, at least it seem good to me
One of the absolute greatest weapons is the humble shovel. You'll win a hundred battles with holes. Even today, trenches are a major factor in war. The very earth is your weapon and your shield!
I mean you're not wrong cuz this is really how William Wallace won one of his battles heavily outnumbered by the British as he made a muddy slope and had a pike wall behind it as the British cavalry charged at the smaller Scottish army and then they had had their horses impaled or fell off there horses to get slaughtered
I miss larping. I stopped cause I would get to into it and hurt all the fellow larpers. They still invite me cause they are sweethearts but I feel like I ruin it and its hard to turn off lol.
Game of thrones when Bolton let off all those arrows I was like yeah this actually makes sense from a battle strategy and of course it was the bad guys using it.
But this is it, here is were it all ends up. Sure you move about until you think the charge will work. It also has todo with able commanders, the languages and cultures of the troops, their composition, training, the terrain, and numbers. Battles of this sort tends not to be recorded, but there are hundreds of examples where both armies form up... then just charge eachother, the winner being the one who had better timing.
I mean what else can you do, other than charge when you have a mixed unorganized army. The more basic the tactic, the higher the chance to succeed with it.
Hollywood obviously does battle not with historical accuracy in mind. But then again - it would be hard to convey whats happening to all but a tiny fraction of history nerds. While also probably be confusing and less pleasing to watch.
And they make it seem like the battles went on for hours 😂 im always gassed after like 15 minutes. Granted im a smoker but i feel like there isnt many that van fight in full armor for more than an hour. Could be wrong but i just dont think they fought that long
Meanwhile in reality: phalanx. Shield wall. Cavalry flank charge. Volleyfire. Tactics didn’t really evolve much until the pike and shot era. That’s like 90% of historical warfare tactics.
There is like 200 more tactics implied by different armies with different equipments over the decades but aight just sum up some of the most complicated warfare of our species with 4 tactics often seen in hollywood 😭
@@LocalDeepstateAgent most tactics are variations of that or are counters to it that rely on terrain. Even the Roman’s basically used a smaller more flexible variant of the phalanx during the early republic why? Because it’s the most sane thing to pack men together in tight rows. That didn’t change for the infantry ever. The cavalry was used to break infantry by squeezing them from the front and back ie hammer and anvil. The archers were there to pick off light infantry and cavalry. You see the point I’m making? You could have as many varied formations as you’d like adapted to the field this sums up what you’re going to be doing 90% of the time.
Hoolywood battles lasting 5 minutes with 10,000 men dead in an army of 10,001 Real life battles lasting 5 days with 100 men dead and 5,000 men wounded in an army of 30,000... oh my bad i mean 5,000 men who have a 50 50 chance of dying or living...
Here are some facts... Medieval rulers often relied on the concept of divine right to legitimize their authority. This belief held that monarchs were chosen by God to rule, and therefore, their power was not to be questioned or challenged by their subjects. This notion of divine right played a significant role in shaping the medieval political landscape and influencing the relationships between rulers and their subjects.
Frontal assaults were often used, however, they were usually slow, disciplined, approaches, not just sprinting at the enemy. Also generals even 1000 years ago we’re very familiar with using terrain to their advantage, the importance of having high ground and defensive positions, and how to use different types of trips for different scenarios. There were definitely times when I charge was warranted, however, it was usually not at the beginning of the battle, nor was straight into the enemy.
@@fellandfair Basically. I play a game called Bannerlord, which is basically the POV of an actual army commander. Just a little micromanaging and tactics goes a huge way. Even in battles where I'm outnumbered, I can slaughter the enemy with superior archery and heavily armored soldiers to hold the line.
@@lucascoval828 This sounds like something you just made up. Why would that one guy bother to put on an accent? Why try at all? Plenty of comedy skits on the Internet are done by people who can act. It lends itself to funnier, more believable content.
You have three options, walk towards the enemy, wait for the enemy or charge the enemy. It's not Hollywood, it's the historic reality of warfare with the exception of gorilla warfare. Y'all trying too hard to be clever
Sadly, this is a completely accurate description of how Hollywood thinks medieval battles work. It's right up there with wildly swinging shields around.
Also women on the front lines
At least in Vikings they did shield walls and basic maneuvers
@@MightyGachiman Also, the leaders going first on foot doesn't make any sense either...
Aren't the generals like the most important people on battlefield that need to be protected as the highest authority?
@@ChildofFatherAdonai Not only Vikings everyone Had tactics
@@Sonnenanbeterin1991I think he meant the tv show, not Scandinavians circa 900 AD
Its so funny cause this just made me realize that I can think of like 5 different movies where the generals were treated as like genius tacticians and masters at directing their armies and shit just for literally every fight to go just like this and literally no actual tactics to be shown and its just them riding back and forth on a horse yelling inspirational shit to their men while they are all fighting or just sitting on the top of a hill with the other officers or leaders watching from a distance and not directing anything
The only time ive ever thought of a block of soldiers charging into something is when another allied unit is already engaged with the enemy and they're flanking them. Or cavalry running down retreating enemy soldiers or penetrating spear or polearm unit for the foot soldiers to get in
*crap
That guy has a painted sallet, beautiful
Just minor hint for improvement.
You have to put your siege weapons in front of your infantry, so you can't protect them and also make ditches behind your infantry, so that they can't move back. ☝️
Genius! 😂
They can't escape if they lose, it's morale boosting, isn't it?
@@matteorossi1172 IIRC the Abbasid or Umayyad caliphate did the same when they conquered Iberian peninsula from Visigoth, they burn their ships and manage to won the battle
I mean… he did sack the academy. Probably learned about the frontal charge while staking the teachers to the wall.
The funny thing is that this was a tactic that was used very rarely against an unprepared enemy. But not a well prepared enemy that was already on the field
It could work in an ambush, but for this type of battle, no man, it's stupid. I'd rather make a shieldwall and use cavalry to flank enemies formation, at least it seem good to me
thanks, captain obvious.
One of the absolute greatest weapons is the humble shovel. You'll win a hundred battles with holes. Even today, trenches are a major factor in war.
The very earth is your weapon and your shield!
Average "the greatest estate developer" fan
@@AlexTheAmiable Dirt Armor man
Shit works
I mean you're not wrong cuz this is really how William Wallace won one of his battles heavily outnumbered by the British as he made a muddy slope and had a pike wall behind it as the British cavalry charged at the smaller Scottish army and then they had had their horses impaled or fell off there horses to get slaughtered
I miss larping. I stopped cause I would get to into it and hurt all the fellow larpers. They still invite me cause they are sweethearts but I feel like I ruin it and its hard to turn off lol.
Look for an SCA chapter near you.
@@panpiper SCA?
@@Titantitan001 Society for Creative Anachronism. They wear real armor and hit for real, hard. You'll fit right in.
Test buhurt
Why do larping when you can do buhurt
Can we have a Hollywood side vs the realistic side battle?
Ah yes, the charge into the enemy with a spears length between each men. Also know as „Who would rather return home to wife and children anyway“
The unfortunate part is that it would probably be super cool to see battle tactics in a large battle.
Even Braveheart ends up being this.. but it tried to have some semblance of tactics going on in there....
How Hollywood depiction of medieval warfare be like...
This is awesome
Thing is when you in a skermish team of 22 and u sprint at a group of 5 ppl it's very effective
How’d they get so many people
From my time of watching Jessie I’m assuming they’re larping
It was an event called Training Grounds that they hosted! We made this TikTok before the actual fighting began, lol
@@shelbychopson4022 thanks man!
@Samsa çavuş that’s what I said?? 😭
@Samsa çavuş no no it’s all good ❤️🔥
F1, F3 in Bannerlord be like
Plot twist that guy and that women were formerly a couple and their coping with the break up in this way.
What’ll we do when we get there!? Well i suppose we’ll fight? Yes I suppose . . . Right.
Braveheart made it look so good.
They should've added which soldier is their enemy
Game of thrones when Bolton let off all those arrows I was like yeah this actually makes sense from a battle strategy and of course it was the bad guys using it.
Though historically, charges HAVE worked, take the Polish Winged Hussars for example, who perfected the tactic of charging into nearly an art form.
Charges work… in the context of actual strategy.
Works only for shock cavalry
Can you now do a realistic version pls?
*shakes head in battle of canae*
Keep retreating until your troops encircle the enemies.
Her orders? I thought....
It does look cool 👀
But this is it, here is were it all ends up. Sure you move about until you think the charge will work. It also has todo with able commanders, the languages and cultures of the troops, their composition, training, the terrain, and numbers. Battles of this sort tends not to be recorded, but there are hundreds of examples where both armies form up... then just charge eachother, the winner being the one who had better timing.
This is so facts
Okay but it is pretty cool
Props to the King for not doing this
I would use a flanking squad have them attack and then lead the charge in an arrow/ V formation.
😂 subscribed
that is true and its probably a bad strategy but it was probably really fun.
It does look cool though xD
THIS IS SO ACCURATE because there hardly were any female warriors minus a few
It did look cool, do another.
it doesnt really work but that was probably super fun
one other strategy was the shield wall
The last is to be the writer of the movie
Isso sim e comédia 😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅
I mean what else can you do, other than charge when you have a mixed unorganized army. The more basic the tactic, the higher the chance to succeed with it.
But it looks cool i felt the epic
Plz never say Hollywood and medieval in same sentence😂
Shield wall!
Average barbarian brain 🤪🤪🤪
Rule of cool
What else are you supposed to do, run at them diagonally?
You mean to tell me thats not how they did it?!?! How could Hollywood lie or get it so wrong?!
Hollywood obviously does battle not with historical accuracy in mind.
But then again - it would be hard to convey whats happening to all but a tiny fraction of history nerds. While also probably be confusing and less pleasing to watch.
The design is very… human.
And they make it seem like the battles went on for hours 😂 im always gassed after like 15 minutes. Granted im a smoker but i feel like there isnt many that van fight in full armor for more than an hour. Could be wrong but i just dont think they fought that long
Nice
SCA fun.
uuuhh, american LARP looks good now, thats Like Germany around 2015. (cant say anything, because im Out since than😢)
Meanwhile in reality: phalanx.
Shield wall.
Cavalry flank charge.
Volleyfire.
Tactics didn’t really evolve much until the pike and shot era. That’s like 90% of historical warfare tactics.
There is like 200 more tactics implied by different armies with different equipments over the decades but aight just sum up some of the most complicated warfare of our species with 4 tactics often seen in hollywood 😭
@@LocalDeepstateAgent most tactics are variations of that or are counters to it that rely on terrain. Even the Roman’s basically used a smaller more flexible variant of the phalanx during the early republic why? Because it’s the most sane thing to pack men together in tight rows. That didn’t change for the infantry ever. The cavalry was used to break infantry by squeezing them from the front and back ie hammer and anvil. The archers were there to pick off light infantry and cavalry. You see the point I’m making? You could have as many varied formations as you’d like adapted to the field this sums up what you’re going to be doing 90% of the time.
Hoolywood battles lasting 5 minutes with 10,000 men dead in an army of 10,001
Real life battles lasting 5 days with 100 men dead and 5,000 men wounded in an army of 30,000... oh my bad i mean 5,000 men who have a 50 50 chance of dying or living...
Hollywood vs kings and generals fans
Here are some facts...
Medieval rulers often relied on the concept of divine right to legitimize their authority. This belief held that monarchs were chosen by God to rule, and therefore, their power was not to be questioned or challenged by their subjects. This notion of divine right played a significant role in shaping the medieval political landscape and influencing the relationships between rulers and their subjects.
😂
So how did medieval armies hit the enemy then? If not a direct frontal assault?
Frontal assaults were often used, however, they were usually slow, disciplined, approaches, not just sprinting at the enemy. Also generals even 1000 years ago we’re very familiar with using terrain to their advantage, the importance of having high ground and defensive positions, and how to use different types of trips for different scenarios. There were definitely times when I charge was warranted, however, it was usually not at the beginning of the battle, nor was straight into the enemy.
It wasnt mindless charging for sure!!
@@fellandfair Basically.
I play a game called Bannerlord, which is basically the POV of an actual army commander. Just a little micromanaging and tactics goes a huge way. Even in battles where I'm outnumbered, I can slaughter the enemy with superior archery and heavily armored soldiers to hold the line.
@@fellandfair So the High ground huh 😅
Which medieval army and from which century?
It's not like the medieval age was short or without changes. Not to mention regional differences.
Knightfall thats good its not just soldiers running at each other i hate movies like that got to have some Realism
See, at least it's cool though.
😂😂😂😂😂
So how did they do things? Because i always thought why the fuck they doing that.
Shield walls. Bows. Etc.
The problem with tactics is that they are boring. Effective, but boring.
I mean that didn't not happen...
オウ…試合？が始まる前に、感動で倒れてしまうよ…✨🥺
すごい…えっ、ちょっと待って凄すぎるんですけど。
荘厳なる雰囲気…✨
I appreciate all the attention and work that went into their costumes, but how about some goddamn acting lessons?
This was a skit.
@@lucascoval828 And what’s your point exactly? You don’t act in a skit?
@@jarrodhall3686
No need for decent acting. It's an internet video trying to make a point.
@@lucascoval828 This sounds like something you just made up. Why would that one guy bother to put on an accent? Why try at all? Plenty of comedy skits on the Internet are done by people who can act. It lends itself to funnier, more believable content.
@@jarrodhall3686Is school not going so well lately Jarrod?
Well technically it’s accurate, the French would do the same thing..
Just in the other direction
You have three options, walk towards the enemy, wait for the enemy or charge the enemy. It's not Hollywood, it's the historic reality of warfare with the exception of gorilla warfare. Y'all trying too hard to be clever