The Golf Ball Rollback Is Coming: IT'S OFFICIAL!
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- The golf ball rollback is coming! The USGA and R&A have announced changes to golf ball testing to reduce distance. Discover when the golf ball rollback is happening, how golf ball testing is changing and what it means for the pros and golfers like you!
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I'd say taking 9 yards off an amateur male golfer / LPGA golfer swinging between 95-105 MPH, is a much bigger disadvantage than taking 15 yards off someone hitting 320
You may very well be right.
@@DavidDusek I thought more about this David after posting initially, taking 9 yards off someone who hits their driver 95-105 MPH, means they need to hit 1 club longer on their second/approach shot. I fit into this category and I currently use traditional lofts (34 degree 7 iron, 10.5 degree driver), but with the new ball coming in (higher spin, distance restricted), I would seriously consider changing into a more aggressively lofted set (30-32 degree 7 iron, 9 degree driver) with weighting / tech that are high launch low spin, doing that will mean I can hit the same club into greens. Maybe this is the death of the traditional blade, and the aggressively lofted clubs will continue to rise
First of all, its not going to be 9 yards. Its going to be closer to 12 yards. Moreover, the loss of distance will be lineal (i.e., about 5% across all clubs). A lot of amateurs are going to have to move from short irons to mid irons or mid irons to long irons to reach par fours in regulation. If you research correlation between distance and scoring, you're going to see that amateur scores are going to increase by some meaningful amount by this rollback. As I get older, lack of distance puts more and more pressure on my game. This rule may force me to add golf to the list of games my age will no longer permit me to play competitively.
@@GRFlashbackI think the loss is going to be more like 20-40 yards
I resent the fact that the USGA thinks my smashing 220 yard drive is too long and must be restricted. If the governing bodies of golf want to demoralize recreational players, they have succeeded. Since too much length is only a problem with men’s professional golf, why not require a restricted ball for elite players only! USGA/R&A are making a big mistake that will hurt recreational golf worldwide.
Why am i spending all this money on a longer driver when they limit my distance on a ball? It was a poor decision really.. It makes the whole industry look like a sham!
The Ball companies are against it. It is the USGA and R&A that are to blame
They have got it all wrong!
Make the setup of golf courses tighter, such that ‘bomb & gouge’ is not a viable option for players. Bring ‘skill’ back to the game
The USGA and the R&A can’t control the course setup at venues they don’t control. At the U.S. Open, British Open and events like that, they can certainly pinch the fairways, grow the rough and even make the bunkers more challenging, In their opinion, reducing distance will it more of an emphasis on skill and control. - DD
A good example is the RBC Heritage where there is only a few holes they bomb, skill is required to navigate. I agree
The result is players would be hitting irons off the tee instead of drivers. Removing drivers and woods is obviously not ideal.
Very helpful for senior golfers, thanks USGA!
Thanks for making this video. It is about time these rule makers listened to us amateur golfers. They are killing the joy of playing golf. I am a senior male golfer aged 71 and hit my driver about 180 yards any less I would need to use my hybrid which often makes 170 yards! I play to keep fit enjoy the playing AGAINST PAR not some silly made up course rating as this world handicap system just does not work. I am golf psychologist and to enjoy golf and play in a pure awareness state of consciousness you need to get out of the analytical thinking part of the mind as this limits your full potential and certainly removes any Edge you might like to enjoy in your game. The more rules you have the better for those who wish to dish out penalties etc. I think this only relates to the top pro big hitters. Perhaps the solution is that new longer golf courses are required for the top pros not restricting the distance of the golf ball. Just another stupid rule generated by controllers! I now only play with my golfing buddies and totally enjoy my golf, I play against the course par and that is the end of it for me. Happy golfing
This is very demoralizing for those of us that struggle with distance.
According to the USGA, the average male recreational golfer is only going to lose 4 or 5 yards off the tee with driver, and really nothing else. Time will tell, but that’s what the USGA and R&A claiming. - DD
David, please think about how that makes sense. The general rule of thumb is that you'll gain about 3 yards for every mile an hour of club head speed. Accordingly, if you increase the club head test speed to 125 without moving the distance maximum off of 317 yards, you're looking at about a 15 yard loss of distance, or just under 5% of the 317 yard maximum. Moreover, the physics are linear. In other words, the 5% loss of distance will be consistent across all clubs. These differences are going to move a lot of golfers from short irons to mid irons or mid irons to long irons to reach greens. Its going to push scores up for most amateurs. Anyone who thinks that's a good idea for the game of golf is going to be painfully incorrect. The current golf craze we're experiencing is attributable to the popularity the game gained during the pandemic. As that wears off, and the new rules make it harder for amateurs to score well, we're once again going to see the kind of golf course closure rate we were seeing just before the pandemic.
@@DavidDusekThose numbers are blatantly false that the USGA is throwing out there
David, new to the channel and a new subscriber. Best explanation of the new rule concerning the reduced golf ball. Thank You. Looking forward to the new equipment releases coming soon.
They make it seem like the USGA is gonna be at my local course checking balls . 😂
You (USGA and R&A) want elite players to not hit driver and 3 woods so far? Have the courses they play their tournaments on grow the grass in the fairways 1/4” longer. That would reduce the roll that they get at the end of their tee shots. The pro courses have fairways like most courses putting greens. The ball still rolls a long way, even after it stops bouncing. Most public and private courses don’t have fairways like putting greens. Those players on non tournament courses get less roll. But I don’t know how you get the professional tours to let the fairways have slightly longer grass. They want their “product” (the pro golfers’ impressive length) to be “exciting”. So we all pay a distance penalty because pros are playing on courses with fairways that roll out like putting greens. That stinks.
This, or put hazards at the 300 - 320 marks in the fairway. It wouldn't require additional property, and it would force the pros to keep the drivers in their bags. This makes a lot more sense to me than putting more pressure on the games of amateurs who are getting older and can't hit 5000 balls on the range every week.
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this is fuck up man, it's gonna get appeal for sure. This only affect long PGA hitters and for what. And why does fast swinger need to be punish for being able to swing faster.
Appealed? By who exactly? The RandA and USGA have ruled that this rule will come into effect for anything that they sanction. Who exactly is appealing in your mind?
@@anyexpatThere wont be an appeal the Manufacturers will just tell the USGA and R&a to go pound salt.
With this and the ever complicated world hcp system i think its time to start re-evaluating competition golf for me,,,,,its getting like F1 to many stupud technical rules
Exactly.
Should only apply to professional golf !
Or be like tennis where the tournament provides all the competitors the same ball.
They missed the mark!!!! Should be focusing on the DRIVER, not the ball. Case closed. Reduce the sweet spot so on a missed hit, the ball can spray all over the place, making the pros and Joe's for that matter be more precise and skilled.
I’m ahead of you. I’ve already got a driver that sprays all over the place.
The consumers will pay for research which increase of golf ball prices
Indeed they will. The price of Titleist Pro V1 balls right now is about $54 a dozen. Other premium balls are around $45 a dozen. Those prices are going to either hold firm or gradually increase to offset the cost of additional research and development of the new, slower balls.
Total F UP
The several videos and articles I've read on this topic suggest to me that your numbers are inaccurate. There will be a loss of about 5% of distance. And that 5% will be consistent across all clubs. That means that someone who drives the ball 250 yards will lose about 12-13 yards. That puts his or her drives at 238 yards. With the additional 5% that will be lost on approach shots, shots to the green will now require those players to move down two clubs (from, say an 8 iron, to a 6 iron). That is going to cause a serious decrease in the number of greens hit, and a corresponding increase in scores. Take a look at the correlation between distance and scoring, and you'll see a meaningful difference - distance saves strokes. The point is this: this rollback is going to make short hitters just a little less competitive. The USGA is pushing short hitter scores up to solve a problem to which they are not contributing. I can't understand why anyone thinks it makes sense to punish Rory Mcllroy for his distance by making the game a bit more difficult for me and my fellow amateur duffers.
Everything you wrote in your comment makes sense. After talking with Titleist, Callaway, TaylorMade, Bridgesteone and lots of people who are smarter about this stuff than me, I understand that a distance decrease would work through the bag. The USGA disagrees. When I spoke with the head of equipment standards, John Spitzer, he told me recreational golfers will only see a distance loss with the driver, because their swings with hybrids, irons and wedges is too slow for the distance-reducing ball to have much of an effect. LPGA players and fast-swinging weekend players could see an effect with driver and fairway woods, but not likely much of a change in irons. Finally, he said, top-swinging players will have the distance effect end with 5-iron, so 6-iron, 7-iron etc. should see little to no change. That was news to me. At the end of the day, we're debating a distance loss with a ball that doesn't exist yet. Every player will see different results and balls that pass the new test will vary from brand to brand, as they do today. I don't have data or facts to back it up, but I feel that sub-90 mph swingers (with driver) won't see much of a change, but Rory, Rahm and JT will be slowed down off the tee. Time will tell. Thanks for the comment. - DD
@@DavidDusek I know that to make a driver that exceed .83 cor at slower or faster swingspeeds you make it using multiple compounds so that at the testing speed it complies or higher or slower (depending on who you want to sell to) it performs better than .83. It is entirely possible to make a ball that complies with a driver energy transfer but performs relatively better for slow speeds. All the balls need to do is pass the single test
@@anyexpat i’m sure that will be one of the many things that each manufacturer will look into. However, I have been told this will likely come down to an aerodynamic change rather than a core change for most brands. The dimples on a golf ball play a massive role in spin and launch with driver, and for fast swinging players, fairway woods. I’m not sure many brands will be able to create a ball that passes the test, but performs better in real world circumstances. At least not at first.
@@DavidDusek The dimples are obviously a variable too but these tests do not offer opportunity really as they assume a better launch and spin rate. The reality is the roll back is not 5% it is significantly more due to these subtle changes. I know some company secrets and many company owners. Not spilling any specifics but I know these tests will be skirted
Why punish people for training harder !!!!
They haven’t lifted the basketball rings as people get bigger stronger faster !!!
I don't agree with it. It's bad for golf. And as a recreational golfer it's the only rule I or most recreational golfers will ignore or break. There are millions of found and used golf balls all over the world. And there will be manufacturers that will meet the demand for future non conforming golf balls. I won't buy a rollback ball unless I'm in some scramble or local tournament that actually follows the rule. Then I'll buy a sleeve. In the future people will be finding lost rollback golfballs in the brush and woods. They will throw it back in the woods like a old top-flight. Who wants a crap golf ball that goes nowhere? Lol. The world's a screwed up place. It's like telling a man he can't wear underwear anymore only girls panties because we are not going to make underwear anymore. Nobody is going to buy these balls for recreational play. 90 percent of us don't want them.
I don’t think this is about running out of real estate on golf courses. Keep the balls where they are now, it’s not like people are breaking 60 left and right. So what if some Par 4 greens are driven more frequently, that’s actually exciting and noteworthy. So what if players have shorter approaches to the greens. Golf course architects can do plenty to make a hole more challenging other than making it longer. Keep the balls where they are now, no need to roll back distance.
Many older courses have long since run out of real estate and play nothing like they were designed to. The hazards no longer being hazards and the challenge not being the same as the designer intended. I really do not like the fact that it is so easy to hit 300 yard drives these days, it used to be a real skill
@@anyexpat I get that and I appreciate how the courses were designed originally and that they were set up to challenge the distances of the day but at some point those distances were going to be challenged by things other than the ball and the clubs. Considering all the advancements in tech I’m surprised it’s not going further than it is. Real question, did they design those courses with multiple tee boxes or were they designed with a single tee box? I feel that keeping the ball where it is now is fair. As I mentioned people aren’t breaking 60 left and right. I would be more willing to accept a change in forgiveness on Drivers so you are forced to hit the sweet spot more consistently.
@anyexpat no they havent
What an absolute joke by the USGA and R&A. By their logic why don’t we make the rim higher in basketball since the athletes have trained their bodies to jump higher? It’s a huge slap in the face to the long hitters, they didn’t always hit it that far. Might as well put out a rule saying golf clubs can’t advance their technology either since that will make the ball go farther. As someone who has played the game for 17, competitively I may add, years this is absurd. The USGA doesn’t know how to solve a problem that’s for sure. Make the courses harder, firm greens, softer fairways to reduce distance, longer rough, more bunkers, tighten the OB lines for tournament play. There are so many better options than this nonsense. The club lofts are gonna get dropped even lower than they already are and the distance is gonna be RIGHT back. Very poor choice USGA and way to “grow” the game. Not to mention the millions of golf balls that are gonna be wasted for no reason 👎🏻
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should I just buy a lifetime worth of golf balls in the next couple of years? the only reason stopping me from doing that is thinking that balls are gonna get better in the future. but if I know for a fact that golf balls 20 years from now won't be as good as the ones I am getting today, then why shouldn't everyone just stock up?
Don't worry. If people want them, somebody will keep making them guaranteed.
Some manufacturer will make golf balls just like the ones. We have now and I will go and buy them
No ones going to switch will be hoarding. Good luck selling slower balls.
Very good recap. 2028/2030 feels so far away.. I don't even know how bad my swing will be tomorrow.
So do the ball manufacturers no longer seek to improve distance? Then what kind of improvements can they make with the ball from here on out?
The manufacturers will work to develop the best performing ball that stays within the limits of the new test. In some ways, they do that now. There are guidelines and limits that are currently in place. To your other point, there will not be a lot of motivation to improve as we get into 2026 and early 2027. - DD
I am stocking up. Will have enough balls to last me 10 years past 2028.
I think there will be a massive surge in golf ball demand starting in the spring of 2027 and a mad rush as the end of the year draws to a close. - DD
M8...I was thinking that too...buy a box a month to stock up. But it's just dawned on me....maybe I should just start using the "other" longer illegal long golf balls today (I'm not getting any younger)....lol
Good way to sale golfballs before 2028
Just leave the game alone as it is right now. We are not going to get much stronger. It's the technology that can be held back but from today's technology.
Buying at least 4 dozen a month until then..I will be set.
So visually, how would one know what era ball is one using ?
For the pros it makes sense because they are hitting longer shots than golf courses are built for. I've never golfed in my life and even i can see that this is nuts. This is only going to encourage a new black market for golf balls made in China, that are made to the old standard, so the average golfer can keep playing at their current level.
If it spoils my fun as a senior golfer il will pack in the game simple as that
The truth is this will literally not affect 90% of golfers. Most recreational golfers don’t even play the golf balls that would not conform. There is a 30 yard difference between the left dash and the typical Amateur bought golf ball.
With that said as some one who swings 120+ that will be effected. We will find ways to still hit the ball long, and work around this to gain advantage on the field.
It will affect almost every golfer somewhat. Mygolfspy guessed that perhaps every ball on the market today would not pass the future requirements except for maybe the two lowest compression golf balls like the Wilson Duo and the Callaway Supersoft as they are very low compression and do not generate as high of a ball speed off the driver as all the balls firmer than them do.
@@scottdean27 Yeah but my point is most golfers will literally never notice a single difference as on there best strikes they will see a 5 yard difference than before. I just don’t think this is as big of a deal as it’s being made out to be.
I don't understand why golfer are assigned golf balls that are specifically made for them. This type of change will hurt amateur golfers more than any other group of players. Pros can hit all of their clubs consistently. At the end of the day, long ball hitters will always maintain their advantages off the tees. Not an attractive move.
Maybe have a senior ball that can be used to help on distance
Is 15 yds going to make any difference ? I doubt it.
Also, the longest hitters aren’t winning every tournament and I’d expect a good pro would hit -4 to -6 per round (-16 to -24) - what’s the problem + the game is designed to give a birdie chance per hole ….
If pro’s beat up a course change the par 😎
Distance & future proofing has nothing to do with the ball's flight characteristics. This effectively opens the bandwidth for pro golfers to swing 5% faster. Lowering the compression and velocity of the ball would be permanent; no matter how fast you swing the club, it won’t go any further. Unfortunately, golf would then frankly be a cr@p game and people would just not bother.
They would actually need to swing 7% faster as the reduced spin and increased launch angle also impact the change. It is extremely hard to add 7% to your swing speed. for a 125mph swinger that is 8.75mph. Adding that much speed to your average swing especially when already fast is very close to impossible without in most cases ruining your golf.
Great explanation. I haven’t heard anyone break this down the way you have. I only have one question. What’s stopping the manufacturers from compensating the distance roll back by advancing the technology in the equipment.
The USGA is going to roll back the drivers too
Can golf balls be recycled? I'm envisioning 10 billion golf balls going into landfill in a few years time...
I’m not aware how golf balls can be recycled. They are made with urethane, rubber, paint and some nasty chemicals. - DD
I think all amateurs should protest this by not playing for one year (2028 season), and refuse to watch golf for a year as well. They are selling B.S. This should only affect the pro’s not the amateures
We need new leadership, fire them all! I vote put Tiger at the top and get out of his way!
I think its easy to freak out and hate the idea. Once you play with a conforming ball and so does eveyone else it will be forgotten. Personally it would have been better if they just stop the ball right where it is.
I will change to a shorter distance golf Ever,,,, I’ll use what I want to use,,,I don’t play in tournaments that’s why,,,,,, recreational golfers should not change your balls,,,who cares !
So is Augusta going to shorten #13 now?
This rule will mean the longest 25 hitters on the PGA tour average 317 yards carry off the tee with the NEW ball. If you ask me its not going close to far enough.
I have 129-3mph =126 mph if math is correct
well I guess i am going to see a lot more people out working on their mid and long irons... who am I kidding most people don't even work on the short game or putting. Most golf courses can be navigated at par or better with a 4 iron and a few wedges and a putter. Maybe we all need to learn how to be better golfers.
Actually, i think i'll be playing with my putter...joke appart... just to make sure that the USGA don't say that i'm hiiting to far and that i'm having a better chance than others to do birdies... Come on... if i hit far.. how can it be too far ?.. i have to ajust depending the course.. that's it ! What is the problem for the USGA if i'm playing total a score of 18 on a 72 hole course ( -54) ?.. 🤣😂🤣
Might consume some cost on the ball but we might save on a round of golf beings the courses won't have to lengthen to accommodate the bomb and chop player.
So this means optimal hits only lose 3 to 5 yards for pro but for amateur golfers who hit optimal hits a few times per round we lose 30 to 50 yards?this game is hard enough at 108 swing speeds and to hit optimal shots like pros do all the time is wishful thinking.6 1/2 hour rounds coming soon for us hackers.thanks for making this game harder morons.more simulated golf for me.
Not exactly. The golf ball tests are conducted with a robot under optimal conditions, and pros hit the ball solidly and get close to that optimal condition more than weekend players, so their distance loss should be around 13-15 yards for the heaviest hitters and 9-11 for the average pro. Weekend players are already inefficient with impact, and at their speeds, the distance loss and change will be less. - DD
108 SPEED, DROP THE EGO MATE.
We need distance reduction for golf courses getting to big using too much water and irrigation there countries like Israel and rest of Middle East who less water per square inch used.furthermore us states like Utah have too much water in golf courses they are all 8,000 yards.
If they want to reduce the distance then stop playing launching pad courses with concrete fairways. That is 100% the reason the distances have increased. and all the Ball manucturers have to do is tell the USGA is go pound salt. Make your own balls if you want the rollback. That would make them change their tune. The USGA numbers are blatantly false
LIV should throw a monkey wrench in the engine and state that pros can play the present ball in their events so they can have fun and ultimately save the ball industry.
Such a bs rule. I’m 63 and I’ve already lost a bunch of distance so I guarantee you I will stock up and never play their bs conforming balls.
When are people going to realize, if no one complies.... IT WON'T HAPPEN. Don't do tournaments and refuse to watch anything golf on television.
I have been saying this for years… If you cut back on the balls it works for everybody. Maybe it’s not too late to save our golf courses. Amen
Wrong. Stats show the average male golfer hits their driver 220 yards. So let's make the change because of a handful of players that bomb it 325 yards. Another stupid decision by the lords of golf.🙉
Yup it has become absurdly easy to hit the ball 300 yards, this should have happened a long time ago
Save your courses? There are very few courses that are affected by distance
Next fix cc drivers make 360 form 460 cc drivers 😂😂😂😂
Pros 2028 , regular people2030
This is horrible for Golf. Just say this is the ball that will not be improved upon. You cant put the Genie back in the bottle and have golfers like it. The entire marketing of golf equipment is geared for more distance. I wish the major brands would continue with the ball they have now make a conforming ball and everyone just ignore it and keep on playing the current golf ball.
I don’t know if I got something from it but you did a really good job here.
I for one hope the usga passes a rule that anytime changes are needed to rules or equipment, we do not even entertain bifurcation. We waste so much time every time only to end up not bifurcating, which is the right thing to do not bifurcating the game.
There’s a lot of reasons. I’ll explain a big one:
It is fair that the manufacturers have to suck it up and adjust to standards changes sometimes, like roll backs, because we have to protect the future of the game. But the way we compromise with the manufacturers is by letting them sell pro equipment to rich chumps who never really gain anything from most of these advances.
Most advances with driver and ball are for elite bombers imo. That’s why they keep getting longer and longer while shorter hitters never really gain anything.
So to me this is perfect for now. Everyone under the same rules but the bombers lose some of the unfair advantage they have been gaining for a quarter century.
I can swing around 100. But depending how I feel my distance can range from 250 to well over 300. I really don’t expect myself to notice. And I really don’t think many will notice, even many pros.
I think this makes shorter hitters more competitive.
I do think the usga will have to do more of this not too long from now as this is a compromise and not as far as they know they had to roll it back.
Golfers need to understand this is needed. Not wanted. Needed.
No actually it is not needed or wanted
Mini driver please 🙏 call away.
This is the result of the tiger effect. Golf got huge, courses got longer, pros got faster, joes obsessed over distance, ball got too long
No it hasnt. What has changed is they play launching pad course with concrete fairways. Sure there have been technology gains from equipment but the bigger distance culprit is the concrete fairway, launching pad course with minimal trouble anywhere on the course
Its another gimmick to make more money out of the amateur golfer just like they did when the hot faced drivers were banned in competition so once again us mere mortals will have to shell out again
This will also serve to make it more expensive for every amateur golfer out there. New balls will cost more and all older "one used" balls you might pick up in bulk will be more scarce. Every ball in your bag will become obsolete in '30. F' the USGA, R&A! Hope their memberships plummets.
Great finally
Looking forward to this roll back hopefully we can get some of that big spinner wedges
I’m not concerned about ball distance what I’m more concerned about is the fact that drivers cost $600+. You’re already asking the average golfer to shell out a ton of money for equipment and now you’re saying that our $600 driver goes too far? That’s what’s wrong with this issue.
First they had to Eff with my wedge grooves ,,I refuse to let them mess with my distance no way. I started piling up boxes upon boxes right now! I play alone so I don't care about a conforming ball.
I think this is a peace of nonsense this should be for professional only jj
This is such BS. Simply, like any other sport, progression is important. This will hurt the game long term.
Usga officials need to trade in their Mercedes and BMWs for Hondas and Toyotas
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I think they should have made the test speed 130 mph ! Don’t think the biggest hitters will be affected enough.
So you wanna punish golfers that have worked hard and the ball manufacturers for the R&D that they have done? That makes zero sense
Everything in the current professional game focuses too much on pure distance.
Every single tee shot on tour starts with the commentaries pointing out whether someone can drive the green or not. That's not healthy for the game long term.
You can't just go back in time and replan courses from 50 years ago now that 300yds is an "average" drive... (yes the tour average is over 290 this year)
John Daly was the first pro to ever average over 300yds and not a single other pro was able to average over 300yds with him until 2003.
The only courses affected are the ones that the Tour plays. That narrative is non-sensical
Basically a 1998 golf ball, won’t matter to the recreational golfer. Most don’t hit the ball as far as they anyways!
I encourage everyone to write the USGA DIRECTLY and express your displeasure with their decision!!
I disagree with this idea and I am a 2.0 index 300 yard hitter!! Rolling back the ball will affect every club. The idiots in charge thinks what looks good on paper will work in real life!! They don’t have a fuckin clue how the entire field will be affected
Finally the got it right.
no they didnt
15 yards
By reducing ball distance there will be no reason to buy new clubs. Let's face it, we buy clubs to get more distance. They're putting all club companies out of business.
It needed to happen courses just can't keep getting longer
Courses arent getting longer, only the courses that the Pro Golfers which is a miniscule percentage pf courses around the World
Most golfers wont even notice the reduced distance. So the same rules for everyone
That is blatantly false
Just go back to hickory and persimmon.
2028, not to distant future??? Eh, 4 years by my maths.. In anybody’s life that’s quite a bit off.