I'm glad I got the chance to run the AC 60CW's and the SD70MACS before they disappeared. I really loved the 60CW's to the PRB. Although not full 6000hp they can handle those coal trains with little work and with great ease. If you have three of them on a train like did. Man those units would get you going and take care of you like a newborn baby in it's mother's arm. I send my salute for the 6000s from China where I now run high speed train. I want to show my respects to the locomotive I would always have a honor for and miss when they are gone.
1'st locomotive is a G.E 6044 AC44,00 H.P. convertable Loco and has only one exhaust, The 6000, H.P. has dual exhaust. Most has already been taken out of service, or a trade-in for the new ES 44 AC/DC's.
@BNSF9192 Yes, the cabs are the same, but the radiator section is much longer and has three large grilles and a smaller one on each side. The fuel tanks are the dead giveaway. The angle braces and that big strap by the filler is unique to the Mac-H. EMD's only 4 stroke engine. Crews hated them.
I agree that they were definitely unique. Most of them have been scrapped but PRLX still has a few that they try to lease out. They were not a success in any regard that I can see. Thanks for watching.
It was a lucky catch. I wish I could have heard those units running or seen them back when they were in action on this line. I know they were considered junk by the crews, but they were unique. Thanks
@HyperActive7 The 6000HP engine around are CSX's AC6000CWs, which some have been or are in the process of being converted from the HDL engine to the 16 cylinder GEVO engine. That's pretty much it. I do hope one of these SD90s with the H engine are preserved. It would suck to send the whole fleet to scrap or being converted and sent to foreign countries.
@HyperActive7 I agree. UP Has always had an appetite for big power. I'm sure they were driving the bus and submitted the specs to both EMD and GE. I thought it was awesome to get to see them come through regardless. I'd never seen one in the flesh.
Interesting. I learned a lot about the convertible GEs doing research after making this video. I didn't know the original 6000 hp units had dual exhausts, that's a cool spotting feature. Thanks for the info.
@AJ67901 That's why now you rarely see any true 6000hp power because it was rushed out instead of properly tested. I remember all the hype about the 6000hp locomotives which actually came out as convertibles which did better under the lower horsepower. Had they done more research on mountains and places where the 6000hp was really needed I think it would have been better equipped. You can't just test in flat Erie PA to know if something will work right.
@upconductorgmtx2113 thanks Ken, the 9043s are still in service, these are the 6000hp units the UP retired a few years ago. Look at the fuel tanks - made onto the frame as a single unit, different radiator grilles etc. From what i can tell there are about 30 of these left that havent been cut up.
DPU units go ahead of the TOFC cars because of the amount of tractive effort these units are capable of putting out vs the lighter weight of a single trailer on a spine/flat car.
Man I love it! Your vids make me want to visit this area. Every time I see you KS vids I always say that to myself. That opening scene with the long straight grade and that big clear area there in Liberal look like two perfect locations to watch and shoot trains. And you're right, the DB's on that mid-train DPU sound awesome! The speed at which they spool up and wind down makes them sound just like the DB's on those huge 300+ ton mine haul trucks. Pretty cool catch on the 90MAC's too.
@kmothersil I'm sure the coming Tier 3 emissions regulation will have a great impact on new locomotive engine design, but just like they've done with cars, I have no doubt they'll find ways to keep the HP or improve it while meeting those new regs. Thanks for the comment
@DonGomez007 The DPU on the EB stack was so the train could come to a complete stop on the main line. The westbound was so long he was still hanging out. Once the EB cleared the west switch he could take the main behind the EB and clear up for him to continue. It was the first good catch of a GE in dynamics I'd ever gotten on video. The grade in town is flat as a board. There's some grade east of town where the line crosses the Cimarron River, but probably no more than 1.5%
@guilford681 there's a video posted in january that shows one in lease service in Mexico. I don't know if that was where these were headed or not, but it was cool to catch them after having done a lot of reading about them.
@AJ67901 UP always had an appetite for big horsepower i agree and they came out with alot of legendary engines as a result---the Challanger and big boys in the 1940s-1950s, the gas turbines in the 1950s-1960s and the double diesels (particularly the DD40AX) of the 1960s-1980s. Guess UP was trying to go back to its roots with the AC6000 and SD90MAC-H
@AJ67901 It just shows you. You never know what beast Union Pacific is planning on having EMD and GE build. I can tell it put's those two builders to the test big time. 8000hp in the next few years anyone?
Still cannot believe that this used to be owned by the Rock Island and the route of its Golden State between Chicago and California in conjunction with SP at its westernmost point in eastern New Mexico.
Nope. Just the BHP one's. The CSX units were retrofitted with GEVO-16's, but can only run at 4,400-5,000hp due to EPA restrictions and the GEVO microprocessor control software limits the amount of horsepower generated to the traction motors.
ShmotzGaming The GEVO-16 is rated at 6,000hp (with a gross of 6,250hp), but only operates at full capacity in places like China with their HXN5 locomotives.
@@AJ67901 Good ol Guymon, I used to drive down there to see a friend and I could always tell when I was getting close, the smell of seaboard would hit me miles away...the slaughter houses!
Wow, the last of the units to be retired after being left in storage... funny how two years after this video was uploaded, the CAT/EMD merger was finalized!
@4:46, I lived in Texas for three years, and saw numerous intermodals with mid-train DPU's attached to a string of trailers like that! Why does the UP do said method?
So they just add random strings of trailers with DPU's on select intermodals, or whenever they can transport the trailers? Obviously, they don't run any trailer train services; not since the 80's anyway.
@HyperActive7 Obviously the SD90s had their problems. Crews hated them and they were released before the technology was there to make them work properly. There were design and quality control issues as well. The GEs were far from perfect however. They had crankshaft and engine vibration problems. Had they been such great successes UP would surely have purchased more of them. From what I've read, the EMD Mac-H units were completely different than the 9043s making support very expensive.
If you noticed every one of those 90MACS are on lease because they never performed up to expectations unlike the GE versions. They couldn't lug a train from a dead stop without slipping. GE designed them right while EMD flopped. EMD should of gone back to their SD40-2 and made something from those plans. 90MACS were flops and that's why only two railroads bought them because the others knew something they didn't.
@EMDGM6 that's what's left then. I saw 6 of them headed north in tow on the BNSF mainline in Oklahoma on 4-9-11. Possibly being returned from lease at Ferromex?
thanks for commenting. You would think with the experience that EMD had building reliable 2 stroke engines, a 4 stroke would have been easy to handle. I've read that they are still exporting that engine to China. That's what you call being on the bleeding edge of things and rushing delivery without sufficient R&D and testing. You can bet they lost a fortune on that venture.
AJ - What's with the EB Stack on dynamics? If there is a grade there going eastbound, I cannot detect it...is there a grade and if so, how much (2% or ???) there?
Yes, they are. The HF S200 was the next model after the 100 and incorporated support for a remote control device (vari-zoom etc) and relocated some access doors for the media etc. BasicBill1 uses 3 cameras and has a couple of either the 100 or 200s and I cannot tell the difference when he strings their footage together. The choice of which one to get depends on what you want to do with it as far as remote etc. I think Canon has introduced new models since I bought mine in 2010.
man I have no idea. Given that this was 9 years ago, the odds are not good. I used to see some video of them being stored in KC awaiting their fate, but I've not heard anything about an SD90MAC for a long time. How ironic that the new tier 4 locos use a 12 cylinder version of the H engine in order to meet emissions. I've not heard bad things about them so they must have things sorted out.
AJ67901 yeah! As far as I know, Union Pacific still has its SD9043MAC’s. At least half of them, but most of not all are in storage, and typically used as last resort units.
That is not a c60ac..It is a c6044. The c60ac have the 75** numbers. All other numbers are c6044c. Even the 75** numbers are getting remotored once they have engine problems. I work for Union Pacific.
I'm glad I got the chance to run the AC 60CW's and the SD70MACS before they disappeared. I really loved the 60CW's to the PRB. Although not full 6000hp they can handle those coal trains with little work and with great ease. If you have three of them on a train like did. Man those units would get you going and take care of you like a newborn baby in it's mother's arm.
I send my salute for the 6000s from China where I now run high speed train. I want to show my respects to the locomotive I would always have a honor for and miss when they are gone.
1'st locomotive is a G.E 6044 AC44,00 H.P. convertable Loco and has only one exhaust, The 6000, H.P. has dual exhaust. Most has already been taken out of service, or a trade-in for the new ES 44 AC/DC's.
@BNSF9192 Yes, the cabs are the same, but the radiator section is much longer and has three large grilles and a smaller one on each side. The fuel tanks are the dead giveaway. The angle braces and that big strap by the filler is unique to the Mac-H. EMD's only 4 stroke engine. Crews hated them.
Pretty cool seeing a C41-8W too!
The K3LA on that C60AC is magnificant!
The end of the video is majestic.
I agree that they were definitely unique. Most of them have been scrapped but PRLX still has a few that they try to lease out. They were not a success in any regard that I can see. Thanks for watching.
I don't recall hearing how they found the bad wheel, but you can sure hear it at the first crossing. That was about 12 miles east of Liberal.
It was a lucky catch. I wish I could have heard those units running or seen them back when they were in action on this line. I know they were considered junk by the crews, but they were unique. Thanks
Those look a lot like SD70ACes! Nice video!
@HyperActive7
The 6000HP engine around are CSX's AC6000CWs, which some have been or are in the process of being converted from the HDL engine to the 16 cylinder GEVO engine. That's pretty much it. I do hope one of these SD90s with the H engine are preserved. It would suck to send the whole fleet to scrap or being converted and sent to foreign countries.
Jiminy Conrail, what a loud flat wheel!
PRLX has 22 SD90MAC on its roster
@HyperActive7 I agree. UP Has always had an appetite for big power. I'm sure they were driving the bus and submitted the specs to both EMD and GE. I thought it was awesome to get to see them come through regardless. I'd never seen one in the flesh.
Interesting. I learned a lot about the convertible GEs doing research after making this video. I didn't know the original 6000 hp units had dual exhausts, that's a cool spotting feature. Thanks for the info.
@AJ67901
That's why now you rarely see any true 6000hp power because it was rushed out instead of properly tested. I remember all the hype about the 6000hp locomotives which actually came out as convertibles which did better under the lower horsepower.
Had they done more research on mountains and places where the 6000hp was really needed I think it would have been better equipped. You can't just test in flat Erie PA to know if something will work right.
@upconductorgmtx2113 thanks Ken, the 9043s are still in service, these are the 6000hp units the UP retired a few years ago. Look at the fuel tanks - made onto the frame as a single unit, different radiator grilles etc. From what i can tell there are about 30 of these left that havent been cut up.
Yeah you can hear the bad wheel on the first pass. Great video.
@MrSd40jk Thanks, I couldn't believe they were the real deal, honest SD90's. It was a fun video to make. Thanks for watching and commenting!
Great catch with the Eastbound DPU in dynamic's. :D
Excellent job allround thanks.!
DPU units go ahead of the TOFC cars because of the amount of tractive effort these units are capable of putting out vs the lighter weight of a single trailer on a spine/flat car.
Man I love it! Your vids make me want to visit this area. Every time I see you KS vids I always say that to myself. That opening scene with the long straight grade and that big clear area there in Liberal look like two perfect locations to watch and shoot trains. And you're right, the DB's on that mid-train DPU sound awesome! The speed at which they spool up and wind down makes them sound just like the DB's on those huge 300+ ton mine haul trucks. Pretty cool catch on the 90MAC's too.
@AJ67901 A pleasure to watch. Thank you.
Another beauty Jim, really enjoying your videos mate!
Cheers Gregg
@kmothersil I'm sure the coming Tier 3 emissions regulation will have a great impact on new locomotive engine design, but just like they've done with cars, I have no doubt they'll find ways to keep the HP or improve it while meeting those new regs. Thanks for the comment
Ohh, OK...I did not realize that the EB stack was coming to a stop. Was unclear about grade parameter but now all clear LOL - Keep on shootin"!
@cweis127 Thanks! it was a fun day and a great way to close out 2010.
Its sad to hear about the issues the SD90MACs are having it has a sharp beefy look to them
It's only the H's that have been scrapped. Most SD9043MACs have been upgraded.
@DonGomez007 The DPU on the EB stack was so the train could come to a complete stop on the main line. The westbound was so long he was still hanging out. Once the EB cleared the west switch he could take the main behind the EB and clear up for him to continue. It was the first good catch of a GE in dynamics I'd ever gotten on video. The grade in town is flat as a board. There's some grade east of town where the line crosses the Cimarron River, but probably no more than 1.5%
@guilford681 there's a video posted in january that shows one in lease service in Mexico. I don't know if that was where these were headed or not, but it was cool to catch them after having done a lot of reading about them.
Well done video enjoyed watching.
Nice AC6000 leading :)
@AJ67901 UP always had an appetite for big horsepower i agree and they came out with alot of legendary engines as a result---the Challanger and big boys in the 1940s-1950s, the gas turbines in the 1950s-1960s and the double diesels (particularly the DD40AX) of the 1960s-1980s. Guess UP was trying to go back to its roots with the AC6000 and SD90MAC-H
@AJ67901
It just shows you. You never know what beast Union Pacific is planning on having EMD and GE build. I can tell it put's those two builders to the test big time. 8000hp in the next few years anyone?
I use a Canon HF S100 and HF S200. Thanks for the comments :)
Nice video, I wish it was 2010 again
Now its 2023.
Still cannot believe that this used to be owned by the Rock Island and the route of its Golden State between Chicago and California in conjunction with SP at its westernmost point in eastern New Mexico.
@fixierider97 thanks for the compliment.
The lead unit is actually a converted AC6000CW. All were converted by UP and CSX. The only "true" 6,000hp units are in service with BHP in Australia.
+StarWarsTrains Not entirely true. A lot of AC6000s are still 6000hp.
Nope. Just the BHP one's. The CSX units were retrofitted with GEVO-16's, but can only run at 4,400-5,000hp due to EPA restrictions and the GEVO microprocessor control software limits the amount of horsepower generated to the traction motors.
StarWarsTrains Ah ok thanks, They're planning to make a GEVO engine that puts out 6,000hp making the 6000s ES60CWs or something
ShmotzGaming The GEVO-16 is rated at 6,000hp (with a gross of 6,250hp), but only operates at full capacity in places like China with their HXN5 locomotives.
StarWarsTrains Well CSX should get them at some point right?
@BNSF9192 thanks for the nice compliment!
@AJ67901 Yeah man great video. They are very interesting locomotives, sadly they had trouble in the begining
What you see running through Liberal I see the same thing here in Herington, Ks.
Yes, after it goes through Pratt and Hutch. I'm now further down the line in Guymon. Thanks for watching.
@@AJ67901 Good ol Guymon, I used to drive down there to see a friend and I could always tell when I was getting close, the smell of seaboard would hit me miles away...the slaughter houses!
@@AJ67901 Now its 2023.
Wow, the last of the units to be retired after being left in storage... funny how two years after this video was uploaded, the CAT/EMD merger was finalized!
@4:46, I lived in Texas for three years, and saw numerous intermodals with mid-train DPU's attached to a string of trailers like that! Why does the UP do said method?
So they just add random strings of trailers with DPU's on select intermodals, or whenever they can transport the trailers? Obviously, they don't run any trailer train services; not since the 80's anyway.
@HyperActive7 Obviously the SD90s had their problems. Crews hated them and they were released before the technology was there to make them work properly. There were design and quality control issues as well. The GEs were far from perfect however. They had crankshaft and engine vibration problems. Had they been such great successes UP would surely have purchased more of them. From what I've read, the EMD Mac-H units were completely different than the 9043s making support very expensive.
I believe I used the HF S200 for this whole video. Davis-Sanford tripod and Vari-Zoom rocker controller. Canon external mic with wind filter.
3:57-4:11 Great Echoes
THE 3 Units are going to the bone yard
If you noticed every one of those 90MACS are on lease because they never performed up to expectations unlike the GE versions.
They couldn't lug a train from a dead stop without slipping. GE designed them right while EMD flopped. EMD should of gone back to their SD40-2 and made something from those plans.
90MACS were flops and that's why only two railroads bought them because the others knew something they didn't.
@EMDGM6 that's what's left then. I saw 6 of them headed north in tow on the BNSF mainline in Oklahoma on 4-9-11. Possibly being returned from lease at Ferromex?
UP is renumbering the SD90s to 3600 series and giving the new GE the 8000 & 9000 series
awesome vid
Thank you for the compliment, and thanks for watching!
Why do they look exactly like an sd70ace?
Those 90 MACH's are being towed..didn't see them smoke.
Wow true 6k HP and selling to PRLX?
Got some KATO n Scale U.P. SD 90/43's on my Payout
I think I've heard 8556 turned into an ACe
thanks for commenting. You would think with the experience that EMD had building reliable 2 stroke engines, a 4 stroke would have been easy to handle. I've read that they are still exporting that engine to China. That's what you call being on the bleeding edge of things and rushing delivery without sufficient R&D and testing. You can bet they lost a fortune on that venture.
Was it a detector that found the flat spot ? Up is renumbering all the 90s to the 3500 series
The only thing I don’t like about the 90MAC-HIIs is the weird number boards.
I'd never really paid much attention to them. Does anyone know if there are any of these left or have they all been cut up for scrap?
@@AJ67901 I think most if not all have been scrapped.
Any idea what PRLX will do with them? Maybe throw some caterpillar engines in them? haha
Like a 3,600 horsepower Caterpillar C175 turbo-diesel V20 as well as a 700 horsepower C18 engine.
AJ -
What's with the EB Stack on dynamics? If there is a grade there going eastbound, I cannot detect it...is there a grade and if so, how much (2% or ???) there?
Are you sure that up cw60ac are use HDL-16 Sir?
Yes, they are. The HF S200 was the next model after the 100 and incorporated support for a remote control device (vari-zoom etc) and relocated some access doors for the media etc. BasicBill1 uses 3 cameras and has a couple of either the 100 or 200s and I cannot tell the difference when he strings their footage together. The choice of which one to get depends on what you want to do with it as far as remote etc. I think Canon has introduced new models since I bought mine in 2010.
Are these 90MAC-H’s still with Progress Rail, or scrapped?
man I have no idea. Given that this was 9 years ago, the odds are not good. I used to see some video of them being stored in KC awaiting their fate, but I've not heard anything about an SD90MAC for a long time. How ironic that the new tier 4 locos use a 12 cylinder version of the H engine in order to meet emissions. I've not heard bad things about them so they must have things sorted out.
AJ67901 yeah! As far as I know, Union Pacific still has its SD9043MAC’s. At least half of them, but most of not all are in storage, and typically used as last resort units.
And isnt the 1st engine a AC6000CW?
Yes indeed it is!
which camera did you use at 3:20 - 4:20 ?
okay, but are those 2 camcorders the same? ( Quality )
So the las 4 engines were SD90's ?
Nope. Only the last 3. The one before the SD90MAC's was a C41-8W.
That is not a c60ac..It is a c6044. The c60ac have the 75** numbers. All other numbers are c6044c. Even the 75** numbers are getting remotored once they have engine problems. I work for Union Pacific.
@ktraptor you are correct. I've beaten that horse already in the narrative. thanks.
SD70ACEs
@AJ67901 Only UP has the best K3LAs!
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