It might just be a miscommunication between the writers and the voice actor, but I LOVE the detail of Shivers allegedly "speaking fast because she's afraid" even though she sounds so slow and methodical to our ears. This being what Shivers considers fast and frantic speech really paints a picture of what she’s like normally.
I don't think it is a mistake, it's on purpose. Shivers kicks in when you're learning about the city. "Useless" info that is meant to be taken in slowly. Long stretches of dialogue that seemingly exist purely to provide structure to the world, and have little to no "tactical" gain for Harry. Here, all of the sentences have a very clear, and urgent purpose. She's not urgent in a sense of literal speed, but the way that the words are written is altered. It's something very hard to pin down, but there is panic. If you don't help to create the Return, then she will die. She needs you.
@Kaisogen Furthermore, all of these stimuli happen very quickly as we experience them in the world around us. We take it in and move about our day, since if we were conscious about it all the time, it'd prolly drive the average person nuts. However, if you're interpreting the games skills as an attenuation of a given ideal, proper skill, or internalized ability, having these everyday stimuli being the focus as something the player actively grows more accustomed too, it gives an incredibly interesting perspective on what we, normal everyday people, may consider the "ordinary". Days being a little colder or a little warmer, a change in air pressure. We always feel these things, but "shivers" as a skill is as if you've got your internal radio constantly tuned to that one frequency.
Shivers is the genius loci of Revachol. It is millions, if not billions of years old. If not older. For a being of that age, a hundred years is akin to a single blink for a human - in relation to the time of their existance. The fact that it finishes a whole thought in a few minutes is therefore VERY fast.
@@thehippie3610 It feels like the love of a Goddess to me. Something beyond biological life. Her love is better described in metaphor than through direct human analogues.
"Officer, what happened?" Asks Lt. Kitsuragi, "I danced so hard I heard the city speak to me. She was afraid, Kim." "Yes, I'm ABSOLUTELY sure you did, now let's get back to the murder inv-" "THAT IS ULTRA HARD-CORE! ONE LOVE, ONE CITY, YEAAAAAAAHHH! ULTRA HARD-CORE TO THE MAX! YOU FELT THE HARD-CORE LOVE!"
Just for the sake of info i leave it here: if you have high enough Impossible check Shivers, after you return to the book store to tell to the shopkeeper about the hole in reality in the church, and that is not a curse and an actual hole in reality, you tell her to move to another city for the sake of her and her daughter's safety, the Shivers check says, that it would be pointless for her, for you and the entire Elysium Sorry, if somebody already said it in the comments
Apparently it's a seed of the Pale - which is already consuming most of Elysium as time goes on. So no matter what anyone does, everyone is fucked eventually in this world
Disco Elysium is the alternate history where Harry survived his suicide attempt. Revachol may yet survive in this time, in this place. Keep hope alive.
22 years. Kim will still face prejudice. Jean and Harry relationship may never be the pale. Harry could go back to the bottle without us. The fisher woman could break his heart once more. Cuno could go back to his father. And he has yet to get over her. The world will most likely end in 22 years. And yet Harry is still alive. He could have shaven his Beard He could have help that poor girl reconcile with her mother And he could protect the city.
Spoilers: During the moralist quest, you can hear Kim speak through the static. Kim waves it off as pale storing all info of the past. During the final stretch of the story, Kim speaks the exact dialogue (something to the effect of "Wires are frozen due to a long winter.") meaning the dialogue is from the future. BUT! It is possible as a player to keep Kim out of the island by letting him get shot, thus altering the future. Would this mean that Harry, The Super-star Cop of the Apocalypse, has the potential to protect Revachol from nuclear annihilation using ability to alter future!
If you have high Shivers you can pass a passive check on Klassje's balcony. The gist of the encounter being that when Revachol finally determines self-independance: The Coalition will completely destroy it...
@@bootmanbill2362 yea. the narrative covers two period both after the Spring of '51 that DE is set in. though again, whether or not those events are *inevitable* is another question. as is the novel's completeness itself, as Kurvitz originally wanted to write many more novels set after sacred and terrible air that develops on those ideas
@@Zero60133 there is only one :( and likley wont be more coz of all of ZA/UM stuff, but theres a fan translation thats freely available as a pdf on reddit
considering how shivers ends with ‘you can keep me on this earth’ i wouldnt say the future described here is inevitable, more like a worst case scenario. and also hope is a key theme in this game
In the light of this revelation, Harry ceased to worry about the heat death of the Universe. He ceased to worry about the Pale, the end of the world, the countless and uncountable ways by which this world could end. He ceased to care about the world he didn't know and would never see, because he had been born in Revachol. This city was the only place he had ever been, the only place he has ever been allowed to exist. He was born here. He was going to die here. And they were going to destroy it. Whatever this city was made of, it was the same stuff that had made him, and they were going to burn it all away. So he ceased to fear the end of the world. It was a world that was going to end him, everything he was, first; so why should he mourn his executioner?
man, you have to invest heavily to get to this interaction i love that this game seem to have secrets hidden within it and majority of people even the die hard fans will never know all of them
Absolutely, I thought just getting to speak to the city itself was the end of it, in my 4 playthroughs of the game I had no idea you could get her to speak about an atomic bomb.
@@alexzanfir234Same. Likewise, I’m finding a lot of conversations that would have been most likely to have happened with the character I played, but bad luck prevented me from finding out they were possibilities.
@@Wittemn Just for the sake of info i leave it here: if you have high enough Impossible check Shivers, after you return to the book store to tell to the shopkeeper about the hole in reality in the church, and that is not a curse and an actual hole in reality, you tell her to move to another city for the sake of her and her daughter's safety, the Shivers check says, that it would be pointless for her, for you and the entire Elysium
This check even without the the high enough reaction speed is in my opinion an Epiphany point for Harry and his journey in this world. The man heard the three words that he needed most in these last days if not years, and not only did he hear them, he heard them in the most sincere possible way, it changed my entire outlook of the game of Harry. If I were to write a part of the game as “hard” cannon Harry would still be a drunk suicidal fool until this point, but after, oh man he has one and only one goal left. Protect Revachol and her people, she loves him, truly loves him, he already lost that once he won’t let this one down… he can’t.
As much as I’d like to experience a DE sequel with a similar beginning, imagine a game with you and Cuno, or Jean, or Kim (you could import your save data) where you have to stop the nuclear bomb as old men. Disco Infernum
i have bad news friend, ZA/UM imploded, seems to be due to creative differences. they are hiring for a live service monetization position and lots of key people left the studio
@@yopomo It's so sad. I bought the game to support them and then I found out my money went to assholes that blew them up. Fuck this world. Pirate this game.
In light of the moves being planned at the end of the game (if taken back into the force), it makes me wonder if either the bomb is used by the Coalition or some other anti-Revachol faction in open warfare, or (also why RCM would be able to "protect" against it) planted in the city as an act of terror by some other actor.
RCM captain Ptolemy Price (it's been a while since I last played, I'm not sure if that's the correct name) is planning a revolution to free Revachol from the Coalition. Thus, the Coalition will eventually use a nuclear device in the future to shut down the uprising. The RCM would "protect" the city by standing up and fighting for their freedom, although in vain, knowing the bomb will be dropped anyways. Really in line with everything in Disco Elysium, really sad.
Throughout the game it's implied that something is coming, something *big*. Considering the moves that the Union is taking, and considering the implications of Harry being very near center to it, it's more likely than not that all of Revachol would be involved after a while - not making the prospect of a nuclear bomb, possibly from the Coalition or some other enemy - entirely implausible. I have a feeling that this won't be the end of Harry's story, it only makes me wonder what ZA/UM is planning for the world of Disco Elysium
@@NomadKolibria I get both of the replied above but in 22 years is the "Revolution" on, or has it already won, or has it yet to even happen? In the latter case (and some of the other) the bomb might be from other interests than the Coalition, or... the Revolution botches their own device before using it and destroys Revac- no ho it doesn't bear thinknig about.
During the centrist political quest, you get the chance to speak with high command of the coalition, if you start speaking too much "nonsense" they abduct you and it's a game over because you knew too much. I redid that quest like 5 or 6 times and it was very hard to that outcome and unfortunately don't remember the exact dialogue options you have to choose to get it.
To clarify, yes I know about the RCM plot and that's what I referenced in OP - what I'm wondering is whether the Coalition end up using atomic weapons to defeat that (given that it's decades into the future when it seems the plot is going ahead "now") or if it's an unrelated thing in a future Revachol with or without the RCM having gone with their plan. Just something to ponder and maybe see in future games.
I love her voice she is so methodical and sweet but she seems to really care about harry for some reason weather he is just imaging things or he actually hears the city it really shows that Harry has a deeper relationship with this city than we could ever imagine. and when she ends with that fading and slow "I love you" OgH god simply just chill actually shivers
I love that shivers is like, the only thought Harry has that isnt distinctly his per say, being communicated with shivers being the only thought to have a different voice, La Revacholiere
Stuff like this convinces me that Harry is an actual Innocence. He's legitimaty got super powers. Even if you don't count anything but shivers, he can literally hear the city speak. And we know he isn't imagining it because you can have no Inland and still get Shivers checks, meaning it's a legitimate connection to the world, using the Pale as a through-line. That metaphor of him being a magnet rubbed against the world is completely accurate. Harry is the Innocence of connection, seeing the pain of the people, himself, the world, Revachol, finding gaps in the fabric of reality. He IS Revachol.. Would be really cool if we ever got a sequel (screw the guys who stole the company) to have a small appearance of Harry being an Innocence and saving Revachol from being bombed by the Moralintern after their revolution and independence.
MAJOR Sacred and Terrible Air spoilers below while the "canonness" of the book can be debated, its the only other official Disco Elysium content we have and its not the Moralintern that nukes Revachol (also ending the world as this causes the Pale to rapidly spread and cover the world). Its Mesque under the rule of the new Innocence Ambrosius Saint-Miro who has very strong nihilistic believes.
@@catgirl_warcrimes The main problem that "innocence" is an inevitability, not a bureacratic organisation. They are summoned by collective spirit of the world, unspeakable desire for change. Disko Elysium had too many people that thought that they are at the end of history. The Pale covered Elysium only 5 years after nukes. People just stopped believing in anything and collective desire for it all to end brought everything to nothing. After Elysium-Pale. After Pale-Elysium again.
My impression was that Shivers is sometimes the Phasmid. Though that may have also been in his head. I like to think he just has a seriously vivid imagination, and describes it with beautiful prose. He has a vast vast soul.
@@the_quadracorn There are a few (well, at least one) Shivers messages that are specifically narrations of the Phasmid (without identifying it), talking about it for example picking up and inspecting some item in the reeds (I can't remember what but I think it's what it leaves behind when you meet it.. Lely's helmet maybe?) I think La Revacholière and the Phasmid do speak in a similar style so I see what you mean. Both are actually non-verbal things that Harry's mind gives a voice to (though it's not necessarily just his imagination). It wouldn't be a stretch to say the flora and fauna of the region are a part of her, anyway.
i think the point is that harry cannot save the city in any way, being only but a police officer. the political turmoil and the state of revachol is bigger than he can fix, it's inevitable like death, so harry should stop worrying about those.
Oh, so that's why I don't remember anything about the nuclear bomb. I got this interaction, but my Reaction Speed was way too low to get that particular bit.
I think Revachol generally talks in way, way longer wavelength or perhaps language when she generally presents(talks or communicate) as the city or the land of the people who reside within. Just small interactions like leaves falling, birds flopping, and stuffs that you literally interact as citizen of Revachol The way she usually communicates with her own people must be scattered around herself among mundane life of her people So when Revachol tried speaking directly to Harry(player) in the form of our language, she needed to compensate her preferred way of communication(interaction) Compared to her usuals, she needed to condense and even shorten her language itself, for her beloved resident to successfully understand what she is trying to alert imidiately Therefore, I think the dialogue of Reaction Speed telling the player Levachol is talking 'fast' must be just an indication of herself being urgent and chose to reveal herself in the form of our language, not herself 'literally' talkin fast
I live in the one of the biggest cities in europe. There’s so much to do, but it is also so chaotic and feels so eerily lonely.. I need to go back to my Revachol where my friends, my own happiness inside that grim grey skies, bright green leaves in between great grey concretes and my love for everything there is still reside. I crave the retour.
In a way she also is your mother, or a loving aunt, as she says she is a fragment of the world spirit, the collective unconscious from which all souls, including you, Mr. Dubois, are born.
while books have a set ending, and path to said ending, video games are not such a deterministic medium. I believe there are many Harrys who did not save the city, whose hairs did not stand, nor lungs filled with the cool Revacholian air, but I also believe that there are many Harrys too who spoke to the city, who let her cold, luminescent arms hold him close, and 22 years later returned the favor.
The writing of this game, is phenomenal. Phenomenal is putting it mildly. Every sentence, I can imagine it, I can feel it, I can taste it. And the voice over is perfect, mermelade pours from my ears
Shivers is a weird skill, i still dunno if he (the man shivers) is the city or its representative, or she is (the women shivers) the city or the actual shivers. Also cant wait for disco elysium 2 where this might become a plot point
the skill and the skill name are actually a work of brilliance ,basically the name -refers to the human description of the sensation associated with the skill .at basic unevolved levels ,you are aware of the city only on a very basic level ,you sense when the air is damp ,when it's snowing ,when a high level of "shivers" is attained ,one becomes able to read data from those sensations ,you become a walking -talking baromater and wind gauge,able to take all of that ,data ,and compile it into something inteligeble ,just as the perception skill for the invisible bird states that your WHOLE body is an ear ,shivers basically means your body is able to gather the sensory data from the city ,and interpret it ,this element in the lore ,can be a basis of something beautifull ,like ..just like the material of souls -thoughts of humans can convert to geological phenomenons , geological phenomenons like the isolas and land masses -can have souls -manifasted in the physical layer of the world
The atomic bomb is a plot point from the book set in the Disco Elysium universe, written by the game's creator. So far it is only available in Estonian
Fun fact. Irl the USA nuked two imperial Japanese cities at the end of ww2 to flex on the Soviets at the negotiating table. The imperial forces could've been blockaded into starvation even on the mainland. Just airbomb the farms. The Yankees were never going to invade the mainland. It was about sending a message in time where your enemy couldn't retaliate. Note how in the game the pawnshop owner talked about the people trying to set up nuclear power? If allowed their universe may have had a cold war If inland empire and shivers could elaborate on the matter it would be wild
This is a reference towards the book "Sacred and Terrible Air", [SPOILERS] ...where Mesque, under the command of the new Innocence of nihilism, Ambrosius Saint-Miro, bombs Revachol to speed up the expansion of the Pale. After that, Mesque attacks Graad, and probably all of Moralist International, all for the sake of covering the entire world in Pale.
So me and a friend had a massive argument of if the world in disco elysium is going to end soon or not. We both agree that in disco elysium perception defines reality. (If a tree falls and nobody is around to hear it, it doesn’t make a sound). Unlike real life. It boiled down to my argument that if you have alot of red skills, (which are all obessed with the end of the world) then of course you think the world is going to end soon. And becuae of how reality works in disco elysium it will end soon because you think it is. He was arguing that it will of you think it will or wont, but my 1pys guy never got a any inclination that the world was about to end. And the game very much had thr vibe of "this crap hole will always be a crap hole" That being siad, my friend is the type of guy who thinks every time a person in the military sneezes that ww3 has started and were all going to get nuked any day now. While i think we all have plenty of time on this miserable rock. Funny how disco elysium mirrors your own views back onto you
SPOILERS FOR THE BOOK!!!! Revachol really was nuked 20 years later, during the events of “The sacred and terrible air”. I think it was the ICM’s effort to combat the spread of the pale but it made things worse. It happens during the end of the world, where the pale slowly begins to destroys the mundi of Vaasa, supposedly caused by the 3 protagonists looking for their 4 missing classmates/girl-friends, who went missing 20 years ago. Looking at this game after reading that book breathed new interest for me.
It might just be a miscommunication between the writers and the voice actor, but I LOVE the detail of Shivers allegedly "speaking fast because she's afraid" even though she sounds so slow and methodical to our ears. This being what Shivers considers fast and frantic speech really paints a picture of what she’s like normally.
I don't think it is a mistake, it's on purpose. Shivers kicks in when you're learning about the city. "Useless" info that is meant to be taken in slowly. Long stretches of dialogue that seemingly exist purely to provide structure to the world, and have little to no "tactical" gain for Harry.
Here, all of the sentences have a very clear, and urgent purpose. She's not urgent in a sense of literal speed, but the way that the words are written is altered. It's something very hard to pin down, but there is panic. If you don't help to create the Return, then she will die. She needs you.
@Kaisogen Furthermore, all of these stimuli happen very quickly as we experience them in the world around us. We take it in and move about our day, since if we were conscious about it all the time, it'd prolly drive the average person nuts.
However, if you're interpreting the games skills as an attenuation of a given ideal, proper skill, or internalized ability, having these everyday stimuli being the focus as something the player actively grows more accustomed too, it gives an incredibly interesting perspective on what we, normal everyday people, may consider the "ordinary".
Days being a little colder or a little warmer, a change in air pressure. We always feel these things, but "shivers" as a skill is as if you've got your internal radio constantly tuned to that one frequency.
Makes me think of the tree ents in lord of the rings, where a sentence takes years to say "normally"
Wait, wasn't it reaction speed or so ething like that that truggered the nuke convo?
Shivers is the genius loci of Revachol.
It is millions, if not billions of years old. If not older.
For a being of that age, a hundred years is akin to a single blink for a human - in relation to the time of their existance.
The fact that it finishes a whole thought in a few minutes is therefore VERY fast.
Man dances so hard he See's the future.
The man Dances so hard when romances the fucking city
@@какегоэтот Did it feel romantic? It always felt protective to me.
@@thehippie3610 It feels like the love of a Goddess to me. Something beyond biological life. Her love is better described in metaphor than through direct human analogues.
Been there
So drunk and high he also solves a crime and discovers a new species and world changing scientific discovery lol
"Officer, what happened?" Asks Lt. Kitsuragi,
"I danced so hard I heard the city speak to me. She was afraid, Kim."
"Yes, I'm ABSOLUTELY sure you did, now let's get back to the murder inv-"
"THAT IS ULTRA HARD-CORE! ONE LOVE, ONE CITY, YEAAAAAAAHHH! ULTRA HARD-CORE TO THE MAX! YOU FELT THE HARD-CORE LOVE!"
"INCREMENTAL PROGRESS! YEEAAAAAAH!!!"
@@SciontheDark "ONE - TWO - THREE! SHE DROPPED A NUKE ON ME! YEAAAAAAAHHHH YEOKATTA!!!"
@@SciontheDark "I'M SWIFTY MOVING TOWARD A SOLUTION THAT PLEASES NO ONE!"
HARDCORE TO THE MEGA!
HARDCORE TO THE MEGA!
Just for the sake of info i leave it here: if you have high enough Impossible check Shivers, after you return to the book store to tell to the shopkeeper about the hole in reality in the church, and that is not a curse and an actual hole in reality, you tell her to move to another city for the sake of her and her daughter's safety, the Shivers check says, that it would be pointless for her, for you and the entire Elysium
Sorry, if somebody already said it in the comments
Apparently it's a seed of the Pale - which is already consuming most of Elysium as time goes on. So no matter what anyone does, everyone is fucked eventually in this world
Because all of Elysium will be consumed by the pale. There is, ultimately, nowhere to run.
Unless a miracle happens.
No matter what we do, pale swallows all
She loves us, you guys.
Middle class women are temporary, Revachol is forever
tfw no locus of the world spirit gf
@@FlameQwert Why even live, fml
Disco Elysium is the alternate history where Harry survived his suicide attempt. Revachol may yet survive in this time, in this place. Keep hope alive.
Is it really? I don’t want these characters to just die
22 years.
Kim will still face prejudice.
Jean and Harry relationship may never be the pale.
Harry could go back to the bottle without us.
The fisher woman could break his heart once more.
Cuno could go back to his father.
And he has yet to get over her.
The world will most likely end in 22 years.
And yet
Harry is still alive.
He could have shaven his Beard
He could have help that poor girl reconcile with her mother
And he could protect the city.
@@nerdydude1.882 shaving the beard is a soft requirement for being a fascist, just saying
I cannot perish. Look at me - I cannot end.
Be vigilant. You can keep me on this Earth. I love you.
Spoilers:
During the moralist quest, you can hear Kim speak through the static. Kim waves it off as pale storing all info of the past.
During the final stretch of the story, Kim speaks the exact dialogue (something to the effect of "Wires are frozen due to a long winter.") meaning the dialogue is from the future.
BUT! It is possible as a player to keep Kim out of the island by letting him get shot, thus altering the future.
Would this mean that Harry, The Super-star Cop of the Apocalypse, has the potential to protect Revachol from nuclear annihilation using ability to alter future!
Holy shit. Thanks for sharing that. As if this story couldnt get sadder.
If you have high Shivers you can pass a passive check on Klassje's balcony.
The gist of the encounter being that when Revachol finally determines self-independance:
The Coalition will completely destroy it...
"In 22 years, the first shot will be fired. Not a shot from a gun -- an atomic device that will level all of me. All of me."
The game hinted the city will be nuked 22 years later, and the whole world will be covered by The Pale 27 years later
Uhhh... Based?
@@Potatotenkopfthere's the book called Sacred and Terrible Air written by an author of the game. It's basically how Elysium ends
It makes this dialog all the more tragic when you read the book set in this game's future
Is the sacred and terrible air set In the future?
@@bootmanbill2362 yea. the narrative covers two period both after the Spring of '51 that DE is set in. though again, whether or not those events are *inevitable* is another question. as is the novel's completeness itself, as Kurvitz originally wanted to write many more novels set after sacred and terrible air that develops on those ideas
@@user-jq1mg2mz7o Where could i find those novels?
@@Zero60133 there is only one :( and likley wont be more coz of all of ZA/UM stuff, but theres a fan translation thats freely available as a pdf on reddit
@@Zero60133in the parallel universes
considering how shivers ends with ‘you can keep me on this earth’ i wouldnt say the future described here is inevitable, more like a worst case scenario. and also hope is a key theme in this game
failure, hope and the apocalypse. And how to go on despite them.
Such a Sacred and Terrible Air.
(ba dum tss)
This game is so odd and beautiful. The first time I passed the check for this dialogue I actually got shivers.
“I was born to detect you”
In the light of this revelation, Harry ceased to worry about the heat death of the Universe. He ceased to worry about the Pale, the end of the world, the countless and uncountable ways by which this world could end. He ceased to care about the world he didn't know and would never see, because he had been born in Revachol. This city was the only place he had ever been, the only place he has ever been allowed to exist. He was born here. He was going to die here. And they were going to destroy it. Whatever this city was made of, it was the same stuff that had made him, and they were going to burn it all away. So he ceased to fear the end of the world. It was a world that was going to end him, everything he was, first; so why should he mourn his executioner?
man,
you have to invest heavily to get to this interaction
i love that this game seem to have secrets hidden within it
and majority of people
even the die hard fans will never know all of them
Absolutely, I thought just getting to speak to the city itself was the end of it, in my 4 playthroughs of the game I had no idea you could get her to speak about an atomic bomb.
meh it worked for the first time for me in my first playtrough
@@alexzanfir234Same. Likewise, I’m finding a lot of conversations that would have been most likely to have happened with the character I played, but bad luck prevented me from finding out they were possibilities.
@@Wittemn Just for the sake of info i leave it here: if you have high enough Impossible check Shivers, after you return to the book store to tell to the shopkeeper about the hole in reality in the church, and that is not a curse and an actual hole in reality, you tell her to move to another city for the sake of her and her daughter's safety, the Shivers check says, that it would be pointless for her, for you and the entire Elysium
@@Fatymable again, what does that mean?
Man.. This realy did gave me the strongest shivers I've ever had from the game.
This check even without the the high enough reaction speed is in my opinion an Epiphany point for Harry and his journey in this world. The man heard the three words that he needed most in these last days if not years, and not only did he hear them, he heard them in the most sincere possible way, it changed my entire outlook of the game of Harry.
If I were to write a part of the game as “hard” cannon Harry would still be a drunk suicidal fool until this point, but after, oh man he has one and only one goal left. Protect Revachol and her people, she loves him, truly loves him, he already lost that once he won’t let this one down… he can’t.
As much as I’d like to experience a DE sequel with a similar beginning, imagine a game with you and Cuno, or Jean, or Kim (you could import your save data) where you have to stop the nuclear bomb as old men. Disco Infernum
Why not play...as Cuno? All grown up and in the RCM after years spent learning from Revachol's Finest?
i have bad news friend, ZA/UM imploded, seems to be due to creative differences. they are hiring for a live service monetization position and lots of key people left the studio
I think Disco Infernum is supposed to be the sequel--- you trying to stop the death of Revachol
Don't forget the cocaine skull
@@yopomo It's so sad. I bought the game to support them and then I found out my money went to assholes that blew them up. Fuck this world. Pirate this game.
In light of the moves being planned at the end of the game (if taken back into the force), it makes me wonder if either the bomb is used by the Coalition or some other anti-Revachol faction in open warfare, or (also why RCM would be able to "protect" against it) planted in the city as an act of terror by some other actor.
RCM captain Ptolemy Price (it's been a while since I last played, I'm not sure if that's the correct name) is planning a revolution to free Revachol from the Coalition. Thus, the Coalition will eventually use a nuclear device in the future to shut down the uprising.
The RCM would "protect" the city by standing up and fighting for their freedom, although in vain, knowing the bomb will be dropped anyways. Really in line with everything in Disco Elysium, really sad.
Throughout the game it's implied that something is coming, something *big*. Considering the moves that the Union is taking, and considering the implications of Harry being very near center to it, it's more likely than not that all of Revachol would be involved after a while - not making the prospect of a nuclear bomb, possibly from the Coalition or some other enemy - entirely implausible. I have a feeling that this won't be the end of Harry's story, it only makes me wonder what ZA/UM is planning for the world of Disco Elysium
@@NomadKolibria I get both of the replied above but in 22 years is the "Revolution" on, or has it already won, or has it yet to even happen? In the latter case (and some of the other) the bomb might be from other interests than the Coalition, or... the Revolution botches their own device before using it and destroys Revac- no ho it doesn't bear thinknig about.
During the centrist political quest, you get the chance to speak with high command of the coalition, if you start speaking too much "nonsense" they abduct you and it's a game over because you knew too much. I redid that quest like 5 or 6 times and it was very hard to that outcome and unfortunately don't remember the exact dialogue options you have to choose to get it.
To clarify, yes I know about the RCM plot and that's what I referenced in OP - what I'm wondering is whether the Coalition end up using atomic weapons to defeat that (given that it's decades into the future when it seems the plot is going ahead "now") or if it's an unrelated thing in a future Revachol with or without the RCM having gone with their plan. Just something to ponder and maybe see in future games.
I weep when I reach this point.
It bleeds me mercilessly.
It's beautiful and burnt with longing.
sobbing screaming crying wailing weeping
"In 22 years, the first shot will be fired. Not a shot from a gun -- an atomic device that will level all of me. All of me."
I love her voice she is so methodical and sweet but she seems to really care about harry for some reason weather he is just imaging things or he actually hears the city it really shows that Harry has a deeper relationship with this city than we could ever imagine. and when she ends with that fading and slow "I love you" OgH god simply just chill actually shivers
I love that shivers is like, the only thought Harry has that isnt distinctly his per say, being communicated with shivers being the only thought to have a different voice, La Revacholiere
Stuff like this convinces me that Harry is an actual Innocence. He's legitimaty got super powers.
Even if you don't count anything but shivers, he can literally hear the city speak. And we know he isn't imagining it because you can have no Inland and still get Shivers checks, meaning it's a legitimate connection to the world, using the Pale as a through-line.
That metaphor of him being a magnet rubbed against the world is completely accurate. Harry is the Innocence of connection, seeing the pain of the people, himself, the world, Revachol, finding gaps in the fabric of reality.
He IS Revachol..
Would be really cool if we ever got a sequel (screw the guys who stole the company) to have a small appearance of Harry being an Innocence and saving Revachol from being bombed by the Moralintern after their revolution and independence.
MAJOR Sacred and Terrible Air spoilers below
while the "canonness" of the book can be debated, its the only other official Disco Elysium content we have and its not the Moralintern that nukes Revachol (also ending the world as this causes the Pale to rapidly spread and cover the world). Its Mesque under the rule of the new Innocence Ambrosius Saint-Miro who has very strong nihilistic believes.
@@catgirl_warcrimes The main problem that "innocence" is an inevitability, not a bureacratic organisation. They are summoned by collective spirit of the world, unspeakable desire for change.
Disko Elysium had too many people that thought that they are at the end of history.
The Pale covered Elysium only 5 years after nukes. People just stopped believing in anything and collective desire for it all to end brought everything to nothing.
After Elysium-Pale. After Pale-Elysium again.
My impression was that Shivers is sometimes the Phasmid. Though that may have also been in his head. I like to think he just has a seriously vivid imagination, and describes it with beautiful prose. He has a vast vast soul.
@@the_quadracorn There are a few (well, at least one) Shivers messages that are specifically narrations of the Phasmid (without identifying it), talking about it for example picking up and inspecting some item in the reeds (I can't remember what but I think it's what it leaves behind when you meet it.. Lely's helmet maybe?) I think La Revacholière and the Phasmid do speak in a similar style so I see what you mean. Both are actually non-verbal things that Harry's mind gives a voice to (though it's not necessarily just his imagination). It wouldn't be a stretch to say the flora and fauna of the region are a part of her, anyway.
2 years later and I didn't even know you can do this. Disco Elysium just keeps on giving man.
as long as they are together I believe Harry and Kim can save the city
Give us a whole epic series building up to old men Harry and Kim saving Revachol from nuclear war.
Disco Elysium 2 featuring adult Kuno and Cindy stopping a nuclear bomb from destroying Revachol.
i think the point is that harry cannot save the city in any way, being only but a police officer. the political turmoil and the state of revachol is bigger than he can fix, it's inevitable like death, so harry should stop worrying about those.
Disco Elysium sequel with Cuno as the protagonist sounds great, I can see him becoming an RCM officer in the future, not sure about his partner though
Oh, so that's why I don't remember anything about the nuclear bomb. I got this interaction, but my Reaction Speed was way too low to get that particular bit.
Thank you for posting this!!!
Hits different after reading Sacred and Terrible Air
“I love you.”
Pretty sure you can also trigger the Nuclear Bomb bit with enough Rhetoric.
From that egg head to basically ascension and this.
It was just greatest experience that I could ever asked for video game in my life.
I think Revachol generally talks in way, way longer wavelength or perhaps language
when she generally presents(talks or communicate) as the city or the land of the people who reside within.
Just small interactions like leaves falling, birds flopping, and stuffs that you literally interact as citizen of Revachol
The way she usually communicates with her own people must be scattered around herself among mundane life of her people
So when Revachol tried speaking directly to Harry(player) in the form of our language, she needed to compensate her preferred way of communication(interaction)
Compared to her usuals, she needed to condense and even shorten her language itself, for her beloved resident to successfully understand what she is trying to alert imidiately
Therefore, I think the dialogue of Reaction Speed telling the player Levachol is talking 'fast' must be
just an indication of herself being urgent and chose to reveal herself in the form of our language, not herself 'literally' talkin fast
I live in the one of the biggest cities in europe. There’s so much to do, but it is also so chaotic and feels so eerily lonely.. I need to go back to my Revachol where my friends, my own happiness inside that grim grey skies, bright green leaves in between great grey concretes and my love for everything there is still reside. I crave the retour.
You know, I think he cant do it, I think Harry will actually fucking do it
The only woman (other than my mom) who loves me (Thank you mom and la revacholiere)
In a way she also is your mother, or a loving aunt, as she says she is a fragment of the world spirit, the collective unconscious from which all souls, including you, Mr. Dubois, are born.
This actually made me tear up.
I get goosebumps when she speaks
Major spoilers for Sacred and Terrible Air, the novel published before this game's publication taking place in the same world.
The bomb does drop.
while books have a set ending, and path to said ending, video games are not such a deterministic medium. I believe there are many Harrys who did not save the city, whose hairs did not stand, nor lungs filled with the cool Revacholian air, but I also believe that there are many Harrys too who spoke to the city, who let her cold, luminescent arms hold him close, and 22 years later returned the favor.
Welp, time to stock up on irradiated soda pop, bottle caps, big ass power suits, and replace disco with with 50's Jazz jams!!
I hear Oranje makes a good power suit.
The writing of this game, is phenomenal. Phenomenal is putting it mildly. Every sentence, I can imagine it, I can feel it, I can taste it. And the voice over is perfect, mermelade pours from my ears
This gave me legit Shivers.
If a man can dances so hard he created a future of Revachol being nuked, what's stopping him to create a future where Revachol is not being nuked?
He danced so hardcore that he saw the future, not created it. And in fact Revachol will be nuked in 22 years
Harry is truly a fucking innocence
Shivers is a weird skill, i still dunno if he (the man shivers) is the city or its representative, or she is (the women shivers) the city or the actual shivers.
Also cant wait for disco elysium 2 where this might become a plot point
The male narrator generally reads thoughts, so shivers (the skill) has the same voice as the other skills. The female voice is the actual city :)
the skill and the skill name are actually a work of brilliance ,basically the name -refers to the human description of the sensation associated with the skill .at basic unevolved levels ,you are aware of the city only on a very basic level ,you sense when the air is damp ,when it's snowing ,when a high level of "shivers" is attained ,one becomes able to read data from those sensations ,you become a walking -talking baromater and wind gauge,able to take all of that ,data ,and compile it into something inteligeble ,just as the perception skill for the invisible bird states that your WHOLE body is an ear ,shivers basically means your body is able to gather the sensory data from the city ,and interpret it ,this element in the lore ,can be a basis of something beautifull ,like ..just like the material of souls -thoughts of humans can convert to geological phenomenons , geological phenomenons like the isolas and land masses -can have souls -manifasted in the physical layer of the world
The atomic bomb is a plot point from the book set in the Disco Elysium universe, written by the game's creator. So far it is only available in Estonian
@@KalilIllinois What's the name of the book?
@@domenicosilva9074 Püha ja õudne lõhn (Sacred and Terrible Air), exists only in Estonian.
Who would know that the world would end in just 30 years from '51...
...and only Harry can find and disarm it. Or else... boom.
Imagine if this was the follow up game, fine the nuclear bomb
Basically "Sacred and Terrible Air", one of many chapters.
i love revachol, i hope she loves me too.
Aaaaa,the city love us,how cute☺️☺️
ben bir ceviz ağacıyım revachol parkında
"Lidé, měl jsem vás rád. Bděte!"
the only game that can get me catching feelings for an entire city
I really like her voice.
Who does the voice? Honestly this makes me cry every time I hear it. It’s when she says “all…of me”
We need a sequel game about this!
she loves us 🥺🥺🥺
RHETORIC [Trivial: Success]: Should a mother not love her child?
@@petar4209 Perfect
Mother Revachol loves her sons.
This is like Stalker: Shadow of Chernobyl, with the consciousness machine
Fun fact. Irl the USA nuked two imperial Japanese cities at the end of ww2 to flex on the Soviets at the negotiating table. The imperial forces could've been blockaded into starvation even on the mainland. Just airbomb the farms. The Yankees were never going to invade the mainland. It was about sending a message in time where your enemy couldn't retaliate. Note how in the game the pawnshop owner talked about the people trying to set up nuclear power? If allowed their universe may have had a cold war
If inland empire and shivers could elaborate on the matter it would be wild
Wait I did the dance thing and I don’t remember this
seems you need to pass a godly reaction speed passive check
This is a reference towards the book "Sacred and Terrible Air", [SPOILERS]
...where Mesque, under the command of the new Innocence of nihilism, Ambrosius Saint-Miro, bombs Revachol to speed up the expansion of the Pale. After that, Mesque attacks Graad, and probably all of Moralist International, all for the sake of covering the entire world in Pale.
For Revachol.
This game is a masterpiece
So me and a friend had a massive argument of if the world in disco elysium is going to end soon or not. We both agree that in disco elysium perception defines reality. (If a tree falls and nobody is around to hear it, it doesn’t make a sound). Unlike real life. It boiled down to my argument that if you have alot of red skills, (which are all obessed with the end of the world) then of course you think the world is going to end soon. And becuae of how reality works in disco elysium it will end soon because you think it is.
He was arguing that it will of you think it will or wont, but my 1pys guy never got a any inclination that the world was about to end. And the game very much had thr vibe of "this crap hole will always be a crap hole"
That being siad, my friend is the type of guy who thinks every time a person in the military sneezes that ww3 has started and were all going to get nuked any day now. While i think we all have plenty of time on this miserable rock. Funny how disco elysium mirrors your own views back onto you
SPOILERS FOR THE BOOK!!!!
Revachol really was nuked 20 years later, during the events of “The sacred and terrible air”. I think it was the ICM’s effort to combat the spread of the pale but it made things worse.
It happens during the end of the world, where the pale slowly begins to destroys the mundi of Vaasa, supposedly caused by the 3 protagonists looking for their 4 missing classmates/girl-friends, who went missing 20 years ago.
Looking at this game after reading that book breathed new interest for me.
Apparently Harry changed the timeline with his actions anyway
it was nuked because they started a communist revolution
@@mrlferer The fact he is alive and not die from alcohol poisoning change the timeline already :V.
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Holy shit, Garry the cryptofascist's channel
Quiet?
When does this trigger?