PLEASE do a video on the New Founding Fathers of America from the Purge series! The NFFA is a totalitarian government whose goal is to purge the U.S. of the poor, the sick, the elderly, addicts, and people whom the NFFA feel are too disposable to live in their Utopia!
She did NOT get shot in the stomach. The show runners and Atwood have said this over and over. The shooting location they chose (the hip) was simply because it was easiest to recover from without long term repercussions. Bruce Miller himself has said he was surprised at people’s assumptions she was shot in the stomach and therefore sterile. She’s clearly not. Even Yvonne has said ‘…many people struggle with infertility. Until they don’t.’
What do you want to bet "easiest to recover from" was because the Sons of Jacob turn out to be behind the shooting, with or without the knowledge of Fred. I'm guessing with.
Whether shot or not, wasn't the whole premise of the show that most women including Serena are infertile? That's why they wanted Handmaids in the first place.
Hoisted by one own petard. Serena didn't realize that the rules would apply to her as well. Once the cat was out of the bag it was impossible for her to regain control of it. It's ironic that she was silenced. She wanted other women to be servants and to not have a voice but not herself
I never felt bad for Serena. She is shameless and is willing to sacrifice every other woman and little girl for attention and validation. Women like her are some of the most dangerous women to be around. They think that if they side with the men in these matters and go against other females that they will be put on a pedestal but of course in the show that isn't what happens, even in real life. They face the consequences of their actions and changing out be relatively useless because the damage is already done and it's too late.
Im glad they pick an actress closer to Offred's age than much older. It gives understanding and underlining of what she can and cant do, comparing to Offred
The only way she can ever change is through empathy so Serena should become a handmaid. Then and only then could she approach June, join the resistance then help her take down the system that she helped create. But I still think she needs to experience a lot of pain for June to even hear her out but would love to see it!
Serena should go the the farm that Aunt Lydia threated Janine with. Or the colonies. She doesn't really deserve a relatively cushy life in a Canadian jail.
I think Yvonne is terrific in this role! The age doesn't matter. It's the talent! ... I think Serena got what she deserves. It's her own fault Gilead exists.
Fred must have some serious mommy issues I think. Serena was definitely pulling the strings and I think she thought it would be different for her than it actually was. Now she’ll set her sights on Tuello.
Without knowing much about Serena and how she was before Gilead, it appears at times that she's a victim of circumstances and took advantage of whatever power she was allowed to glean and did, however, go overboard in exploiting those powers. A crux here is that in even today's society, women tend to be more harsh against other women...sad, but true. I think Serena had a near fanatical type of idealism initially and was truly in love with Fred, and had self denial about her idealism when things went south on her. So, she's in a complicated theme and naturally her future is highly charged with question marks. I do believe that she can be reasoned with, but hard to say if she could be trusted to commit herself to a more constructive way of life and influence. I like the Serena character and how she's been presented and would like not to see her destroyed, but to place her in the storyline in a more positive dramatic way. She's a strong character, so reducing her to a colony or ramming her into being a handmaiden just doesn't set well with me.
Adoption trauma is a VERY real thing. Look into the book The Primal Wound. I was adopted at birth and it helped me understand alot. People kid themselves when they say that the baby "wont know". They DO know. We are designed to recognize our mothers when we come out of the womb. Being separated from our mothers as newborns will send the baby into a neurological shock. Which can in turn, cause many issues later in life that can relate to mental health.
A showdown is brewing between Aunt Lidia and Serena. They always had an unspoken rivalry, now Serena without a husband is more vulnerable. Aunt Lidia has held her tongue or gently chided Serena until now, but things may change especially if Serena threatens the safety of June's daughter Hannah.
I'd like to se Serena have a chance to bond with her baby so when she's taken to serve a life sentence in prison the loss will be more palpable to her. I want Serena's baby raised by a family who has zero contact with Serena and take away any hope for Serena ever reuniting with her child. Anything less would be an insult to the harm and devastation she has caused to June, her country, her fellow females, and the world.
She's crazy, I just watched 5:1 and she still thinks she has some kind of rights or power even though she doesn't bc she was the main 1 who advocated for women to be stripped of their rights. Everytime u think she learned something she slips back into her role of good Gilead wife, it's sad bc there's so many women who vote against their own self interests and she seems to embody this thinking
Faye Dunaway played Serena joy in the movie version of the handmaids tale in 1990. Since the character in the book is suppose to be an old woman I think they should have offered the part to Dunaway again! She was fabulous in the part…
In the book, yeah, Serena and Fred and most commanders and their wives are older, 60s-70s...but I prefer this change in detail because it helped highlight the fact that the most indoctrinated (in any religion) is now coming from a younger demographic around the world.
I bet with the way the courts are going the Ladies in the Supreme Court might end up getting dismissed and the Supreme Court could have fewer people and not adding more. The women that are politicians in the house and Senate could be forced to leave.
Serena Joy, according to author Margaret Atwood (who wrote The Handmaid's Tale), is based off of American conservative icon Phylis Schlafly. Schafly was a lifelong conservative and homemaker who believed women had no purpose outside of the home and she led a movement against the Equal Rights Amendment. Her reason for being against equal representation? Women needed men to complete them and protect them from the harsh consequences of equality. She came VERY close to being in former president Ronald Reagan's administration though he eventually nominated and chose someone who was a conservative but still supportive of the ERA. The Handmaid's Tale is a response to the rise of the Christian Right that Reagan paved the way for...in addition to this, Atwood also wrote the book as a response to an absurd and exaggerated rumor that white birth rates were dropping in America and worldwide during the 1980s. In the book, America is overthrown by "religious" extremists known as the Sons of Jacob who believe that women (and men) strayed too far from God and that God was punishing the world for numerous sins: equality, lack of marriage, same sex, lack of faith, etc...There was a white supremacist group known as "The Order" in the 1980s led by the late David Lane--they took this decline of white birth rates rumor and ran with it and were training to overthrow the US government as they saw that as the solution to saving the white race. In the book, "The Committee" (which is based on The Order) is the one who authorizes the overthrowing of the American government and curtailment of civil rights. And with the recent ruling on Roe V Wade, Atwood has since said that aspects of the novel have come to life when she didn't anticipate them to...
Serena finally got pregnan,t.. meaning Fred is sterile.. Big question is .. Is June's baby really Nicks or is she Fred the father? This possibility freaks her out!!
It was established by the Swiss that nick is absolutely Nichole's father back when Fred and Serena were trying to get her back from Canada. The reason that they couldn't get her back was that Nick was the father not Fred and June knows this. Personally I don't even think that Serena's baby is Fred's, there's a line where he says to her "This baby is mine as much as Nichole was yours".
i know i am onna get hate for this but at the end of the day she shouldv known what was going on i do not feel bad for her becase she started it and then she lost then she wanted to get nikole back but then she got pregnant and now hear she is on the run i am sorry but she got ehat she wanted
Is Serena pregnant by her lover mark That's she meets in Canada that's helping her stay out of jail free card and is that her baby daddy I wonder who Nick Nick's wife is is it Hannah or was in another handmaiden that June doesn't know about that he had to marry and she's pregnant with his first kid for second kid like Eden and Serena Joy she's pregnant but I know it's Mark going to help her with her baby if it is his or she's going to stare things up for June and Nick and baby Nicole
She found out pretty quick when they got to Canada that she was pregnant so I don’t see it being Mark’s baby. I do think now that Fred is dead she’ll be hitching her wagon to Mark. Nick is a commander now he wouldn’t marry a handmaid.
@@lissafinn4235 I think that the way things were presented it's very confusing as to the timeline as well as how long Serena had been in contact with Mark prior to getting Fred incarcerated into Canada. My sense here is that we were shown the roaming sexual deviant side of Fred, but nothing about Serena's private life especially after she was betrayed by Fred and had her finger lopped off! Sorry, but even I would reassess my so-called loving marriage if I was daily reminded with a missing pinky! I think when she got Fred's finger delivered to her she probably didn't have any mixed feelings about it and was probably relieved. I'm truly hoping that for Serena's and the baby's sake that the baby is Mark's baby, not Fred's.
It's been confirmed she never slept with Mark Tuello. The showrunner or the actor (can't remember) said that if it was the case we definitely would have seen it by our own eyes, and he also confirmed it is indeed Fred's baby They also confirmed Tuello has no feelings towards Serena and he thinks of her as a dangerous woman
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PLEASE do a video on the New Founding Fathers of America from the Purge series! The NFFA is a totalitarian government whose goal is to purge the U.S. of the poor, the sick, the elderly, addicts, and people whom the NFFA feel are too disposable to live in their Utopia!
She did NOT get shot in the stomach. The show runners and Atwood have said this over and over. The shooting location they chose (the hip) was simply because it was easiest to recover from without long term repercussions. Bruce Miller himself has said he was surprised at people’s assumptions she was shot in the stomach and therefore sterile. She’s clearly not. Even Yvonne has said ‘…many people struggle with infertility. Until they don’t.’
What do you want to bet "easiest to recover from" was because the Sons of Jacob turn out to be behind the shooting, with or without the knowledge of Fred. I'm guessing with.
Whether shot or not, wasn't the whole premise of the show that most women including Serena are infertile? That's why they wanted Handmaids in the first place.
She should be taken back to Gilead and have the baby there and than have it taken from her and make her become a handmaid .
Why punish the baby like that?
The baby won't know
Nah the baby should stay in Canada, let Serena be sent back to be a handmaid or work the colonies lmao
@@LemonSte bet she'd do the job of handmaid with less bratty outbursts than June.
Yeah! Turn her into a handmade. 🙌
Hoisted by one own petard. Serena didn't realize that the rules would apply to her as well. Once the cat was out of the bag it was impossible for her to regain control of it. It's ironic that she was silenced. She wanted other women to be servants and to not have a voice but not herself
“i never thought the face eating leopards would actually eat my face”
I never felt bad for Serena. She is shameless and is willing to sacrifice every other woman and little girl for attention and validation. Women like her are some of the most dangerous women to be around. They think that if they side with the men in these matters and go against other females that they will be put on a pedestal but of course in the show that isn't what happens, even in real life. They face the consequences of their actions and changing out be relatively useless because the damage is already done and it's too late.
Im glad they pick an actress closer to Offred's age than much older. It gives understanding and underlining of what she can and cant do, comparing to Offred
The only way she can ever change is through empathy so Serena should become a handmaid. Then and only then could she approach June, join the resistance then help her take down the system that she helped create. But I still think she needs to experience a lot of pain for June to even hear her out but would love to see it!
When Bradley Whitford said, “Do you have “irony deficiency?”, I thought I was back in the West wing and Aaron Sorkin was doing the writing.
Serena should go the the farm that Aunt Lydia threated Janine with. Or the colonies. She doesn't really deserve a relatively cushy life in a Canadian jail.
The scene of her and Fred quoting the Bible as they pull off their clothes makes me queasy.
I think Yvonne is terrific in this role! The age doesn't matter. It's the talent! ... I think Serena got what she deserves. It's her own fault Gilead exists.
Serena was the brains and Fred just the face but he was weak
Fred must have some serious mommy issues I think. Serena was definitely pulling the strings and I think she thought it would be different for her than it actually was. Now she’ll set her sights on Tuello.
Without knowing much about Serena and how she was before Gilead, it appears at times that she's a victim of circumstances and took advantage of whatever power she was allowed to glean and did, however, go overboard in exploiting those powers. A crux here is that in even today's society, women tend to be more harsh against other women...sad, but true. I think Serena had a near fanatical type of idealism initially and was truly in love with Fred, and had self denial about her idealism when things went south on her. So, she's in a complicated theme and naturally her future is highly charged with question marks. I do believe that she can be reasoned with, but hard to say if she could be trusted to commit herself to a more constructive way of life and influence. I like the Serena character and how she's been presented and would like not to see her destroyed, but to place her in the storyline in a more positive dramatic way. She's a strong character, so reducing her to a colony or ramming her into being a handmaiden just doesn't set well with me.
Yes I think a redemption through speaking out against the extremes of Gilead would be stronger more powerful ending for her.
No, I don’t feel bad for Serena. She’s complicit in what happens in Gilead.
Adoption trauma is a VERY real thing. Look into the book The Primal Wound. I was adopted at birth and it helped me understand alot. People kid themselves when they say that the baby "wont know". They DO know. We are designed to recognize our mothers when we come out of the womb. Being separated from our mothers as newborns will send the baby into a neurological shock. Which can in turn, cause many issues later in life that can relate to mental health.
This! I’m also adopted and always knew
She should become a handmaid herself
A showdown is brewing between Aunt Lidia and Serena. They always had an unspoken rivalry, now Serena without a husband is more vulnerable. Aunt Lidia has held her tongue or gently chided Serena until now, but things may change especially if Serena threatens the safety of June's daughter Hannah.
Reminds me of Linda Sarsour the “Muslim feminist” who promotes sharia law in America.
The irony in this statement made me laugh.
5:04, tell this to the alpha women cast members who thinks that women need to be serving the man (justpearlythings)
She was complicated at points I felt bad others I hated her
I'd like to se Serena have a chance to bond with her baby so when she's taken to serve a life sentence in prison the loss will be more palpable to her. I want Serena's baby raised by a family who has zero contact with Serena and take away any hope for Serena ever reuniting with her child. Anything less would be an insult to the harm and devastation she has caused to June, her country, her fellow females, and the world.
She's crazy, I just watched 5:1 and she still thinks she has some kind of rights or power even though she doesn't bc she was the main 1 who advocated for women to be stripped of their rights. Everytime u think she learned something she slips back into her role of good Gilead wife, it's sad bc there's so many women who vote against their own self interests and she seems to embody this thinking
Faye Dunaway played Serena joy in the movie version of the handmaids tale in 1990. Since the character in the book is suppose to be an old woman I think they should have offered the part to Dunaway again! She was fabulous in the part…
In the book, yeah, Serena and Fred and most commanders and their wives are older, 60s-70s...but I prefer this change in detail because it helped highlight the fact that the most indoctrinated (in any religion) is now coming from a younger demographic around the world.
but it wouldn’t of been as good as it is now would it, the dynamic is different now and interesting
It gives more impact of a young woman's expectations, mirroring each other instead of old gen vs young gen
I bet with the way the courts are going the Ladies in the Supreme Court might end up getting dismissed and the Supreme Court could have fewer people and not adding more. The women that are politicians in the house and Senate could be forced to leave.
Serena Joy, according to author Margaret Atwood (who wrote The Handmaid's Tale), is based off of American conservative icon Phylis Schlafly. Schafly was a lifelong conservative and homemaker who believed women had no purpose outside of the home and she led a movement against the Equal Rights Amendment. Her reason for being against equal representation? Women needed men to complete them and protect them from the harsh consequences of equality. She came VERY close to being in former president Ronald Reagan's administration though he eventually nominated and chose someone who was a conservative but still supportive of the ERA.
The Handmaid's Tale is a response to the rise of the Christian Right that Reagan paved the way for...in addition to this, Atwood also wrote the book as a response to an absurd and exaggerated rumor that white birth rates were dropping in America and worldwide during the 1980s. In the book, America is overthrown by "religious" extremists known as the Sons of Jacob who believe that women (and men) strayed too far from God and that God was punishing the world for numerous sins: equality, lack of marriage, same sex, lack of faith, etc...There was a white supremacist group known as "The Order" in the 1980s led by the late David Lane--they took this decline of white birth rates rumor and ran with it and were training to overthrow the US government as they saw that as the solution to saving the white race. In the book, "The Committee" (which is based on The Order) is the one who authorizes the overthrowing of the American government and curtailment of civil rights.
And with the recent ruling on Roe V Wade, Atwood has since said that aspects of the novel have come to life when she didn't anticipate them to...
Serena finally got pregnan,t.. meaning Fred is sterile.. Big question is .. Is June's baby really Nicks or is she Fred the father? This possibility freaks her out!!
It was established by the Swiss that nick is absolutely Nichole's father back when Fred and Serena were trying to get her back from Canada. The reason that they couldn't get her back was that Nick was the father not Fred and June knows this. Personally I don't even think that Serena's baby is Fred's, there's a line where he says to her "This baby is mine as much as Nichole was yours".
Did I feel bad ???
HELL EFFIN NO!!!!!
Serena is getting whacked. If not this season, definitely next season.
i know i am onna get hate for this but at the end of the day she shouldv known what was going on
i do not feel bad for her becase she started it and then she lost then she wanted to get nikole back but then she got pregnant
and now hear she is on the run
i am sorry but she got ehat she wanted
Let her have her child in Gilad so she can have her happiness 😊 🙂 ☺️ we all need some of that.if not what else will people have to do or live in
Is Serena pregnant by her lover mark That's she meets in Canada that's helping her stay out of jail free card and is that her baby daddy I wonder who Nick Nick's wife is is it Hannah or was in another handmaiden that June doesn't know about that he had to marry and she's pregnant with his first kid for second kid like Eden and Serena Joy she's pregnant but I know it's Mark going to help her with her baby if it is his or she's going to stare things up for June and Nick and baby Nicole
She found out pretty quick when they got to Canada that she was pregnant so I don’t see it being Mark’s baby. I do think now that Fred is dead she’ll be hitching her wagon to Mark. Nick is a commander now he wouldn’t marry a handmaid.
@@lissafinn4235 I think that the way things were presented it's very confusing as to the timeline as well as how long Serena had been in contact with Mark prior to getting Fred incarcerated into Canada. My sense here is that we were shown the roaming sexual deviant side of Fred, but nothing about Serena's private life especially after she was betrayed by Fred and had her finger lopped off! Sorry, but even I would reassess my so-called loving marriage if I was daily reminded with a missing pinky! I think when she got Fred's finger delivered to her she probably didn't have any mixed feelings about it and was probably relieved. I'm truly hoping that for Serena's and the baby's sake that the baby is Mark's baby, not Fred's.
@@helengushue8575 , Apparently the show runner has confirmed the baby is Fred’s, conceived when they were at that farm on their way to meet Tuello.
@@lissafinn4235 Well then, that opens up a lot more drama for sure! I wonder if Serena and Mark will get married to keep the baby in the family.
It's been confirmed she never slept with Mark Tuello. The showrunner or the actor (can't remember) said that if it was the case we definitely would have seen it by our own eyes, and he also confirmed it is indeed Fred's baby
They also confirmed Tuello has no feelings towards Serena and he thinks of her as a dangerous woman
I never had any sympathy for serena. She reeks of buyers remorse.
Hell no!!!