You did not misremember, the book did not lie about how bad it was. I think the show's news reports are minimizing the actual damage, that shockwave was nowhere near ~100-300 kilotons waaaaaay more powerful.
That shot of a mortally wounded Fred Johnson looking out the window as he was floated past it at the wrecked dockyard is incredibly sad. It felt like a tragic call back to when he urged Holden to go build something. In his last moments, Fred knew what he had worked to build on Tyco had failed. To know on your dying breath, that you're life's work has been destroyed, by the very people you had pledged yourself to help, thats gotta be indescribably heartbreaking.
No Micky, the difference in pressure between 0 atmosphere and 1 atmosphere is only, well 1 atmosphere. the pressure differential is about the same as diving 10 meters in water. the physics depicted are accurate. Kyle Hill already did a video about this :)
History-fan here: "Gaugamela" was the site of the final battle between Alexander the Great and the Persian King Darius III. in 331BC. It was one of the largest and most decisive battles of Greek Antiquity, marking a crushing loss for the Persians (the dominant empire of the world at the time) and paving the way for Alexander's subsequent conquests. As far as episode titles go, you can't get much more ominous :D Also, Marco's ship is called the Pella, which was Alexander's capital at the time. He is one arrogant bastard.
@@REVAN2338 for a lot of kingdoms that were conquered by Persia, that wasn't the case. The Egyptians, for example, hated the Persians and jumped at the chance to crown Alexander Pharaoh of Egypt and any metric you use shows life in Egypt did improve under Greek rule to the point the Ptolemaic Kingdom become the most powerful and wealthy kingdom in Hellenic Greece. Part of the reason why Alexander was able to conquer so much land was due to his rule being more favorable than Persian rule.
Oh come on now, anyone still supporting BLM - who sound word-for-word exactly like Marco, and also been acting like him for well over a year now (albeit on a small scale thank fuck) - would not understand why terrorism is bad. And you know it.
@@rauminen4167 Edgelord - or rather Edgidiot - If you truely cannot see the difference between Inaro and BLM, then your brain has rotted away by watching to much Fox and reading too much Qanon
@@MrSmokinDragon Roighty. So instead of mentioning a single valid (or even invalid) point of difference between the two, you go directly for personal attacks. To any reasonable person with 2 brain cells to rub together this behaviour shows that you yourself KNOW for a fact that you do not have an argument. Take a good hard long look in the mirror, stop projecting your own issues onto me, have a think and come back. Or not, and accept what you are.
@@rauminen4167 exactly, these people support a terrorist group who is nothing but a scam and a Democrat party operative for when they need to cause havoc.
Mickey's face starting at 10:26 is every book-reader's face while watching the show with non-book-readers. Mickey's face at 11:45 is every book-reader's face when we all realized that these showrunners aren't fucking around, and they don't care whether you've read the books or not!! So glad to see you guys all back together again!
Marco's message is great because you can definitely see how a Belter would sympathize with it. They've been exploited for centuries, placed first in line to pay the price of progress, last in line to reap the benefits. They've struggled for independence and been violently suppressed without any hint of remorse from the inners. Now they're whole way of life, to which many have no alternative, is going to be wiped out as a result of the gates. To belters, Earth isn't really like a place with people on it, it's a place where all their problems come from. People can barely conceptualize the difference between a million and a billion lives - many Belters simply see Earth hurting and say "see? That's what it's like."
Not to mention the very gates that are their undoing, wouldn’t exist if people from earth hadn’t sacrificed an entire asteroid full of millions of belters to see what the proto molecule would do
The fact that in this world people are living in different planets and asteroids not just in different countries "helps" too. It helps belters dehumanize earthers and earthers dehumanize belters. They are just somewhere up there in the sky, out of their reach for ever for each other.
@@2nd_Directorate It's really not though. Humans have been slaughting humans and celebrating it for most of human history. Nations and empires are built on blood.
Something you guys missed because you were talking over it, Martian Parliament was bombed at the (relatively) same time as when the first rock hit. Bobbie and Alex saw that on the newscast.
@@TealJosh The numbers reported were intentionally false, the writer of the book confirmed that the news and reports thought it was much smaller amongst the initial confusion
@@d-squared2769 okay. That makes more sense. I was worried it was a mistake. It's easy even today to figure out size of explosion so I slightly disagree with the direction writers took it in that case.
@@misterevil1967 The one that broke up near the sun is counted as one of the ones that missed. Marco's own bridge officer confirmed the total count towards the end of the episode. It was 9 rocks in total.
@@grelkie Oh, so he didn't bother telling Marcos about it months earlier? Or are the Inaros group in on the audience being dumb and count it now for the audiences benefit?
Just remember what Marco Inaros said about the folly of perceiving others as weak. However, being a pathological narcissist he cannot see how he is doing what he accuses "the Inners" of doing.
@@dadaseyi almost like the attack on Mars was an afterthought, a ploy to make it seem like Mars was a victim too but really it was just to temporarily disrupt military leadership...HMMMMM...
That was more the fault of the episode for barely mentioning it, let alone showing it. It was six minutes shorter than the previous three episodes, so it was not as if they did not have time to show a sequence.
This episode reminded me a LOT of how I felt on September 11th, 2001. Massive amounts of shock and uncertainty, lots of people - often complete strangers - sitting and watching the chaos together, knowing the world would never be the same after that day.
Like someone in the show said " just because someone is the underdog doesn't make them the good guy" and I think that's the beauty of this series. We don't have clear cut good or bad guys like in real life. The oppression and exploitation of the belters doesn't justify the terrorizing of civilians on Earth. If Marco attacked military targets that would be justified but attacking civilians is just going to continue the cycle of violence's between Earth and the Belt.
@36:01 - They blew up the Martian parliament building at the same time that they attacked Earth. It's mentioned, in the beginning, at the bottom of the newsfeed video that Alex and Bobbi were watching.
The best villains in literature are the ones we can identify with, even if we are repelled by their methods to achieve their goals. Purely evil bad guys are cartoons.
Well, I would say this guy is purely evil. But then again, those who think like him are purely evil too, and there's quite a few of them in our society today.
1:28 on last week's episode I wrote a comment about the patreon early access (don't know if more people did as well). I just want to say that I didn't mean it in a bad, to call you out for being "money hungry" 🙈 or anything like that. I only wrote it as a heads-up/correction to everyone, that's it 😅. Love u guys! Apologies Suraj if it came out sounding differently ❤️
"we've been sitting on this for 3 weeks. Can we just watch them when they come out?" Yes Suraj, you're absolutely right. We hate waiting weeks until your expanse reactions. Episode 6 was 4 days ago -_-
Don’t forget guys, it was an earth based company that saw no issue sacrificing an entire asteroid of belters to experiment with proto-molecule, and the proto soldiers were belter children. Add that to years of oppression from Mars and earth a like and you see why many belters she no issue with Marco, wrong as it may be.
Eros was a perfect isolated testing environment, and surprise, when you do illegal experiments in space you aren't going to traffic children from the Inner planets, you're going to get subjects locally. The biggest mistake the Inners made was allowing the original Belters to live outside a gravity well for long enough to develop their own separate culture. I guess we can blame Earth and Martian laws for that blunder.
In the books, Holden points out that for all his murder and death, what Marco says isn't wrong. At that moment, he isn't wrong. And the way to defeat him is to make him wrong, is to change society to prove that he isn't needed.
No excusing what Inaro did, but you can understand their anger. Besides the decades of being treated as 3rd class citizens, the Sol Ring was literally created from thousands of Belters that were on Eros that was part of a Earth company experiment, they practically destroyed the bread basket of the belt on Ganymede and even now Earth & Mars are trying to limit Belters share of the riches of all those new Solar systems and Worlds.
Most of the people on Earth Marco murdered had just as much reason to be angry. Most of them lived in as bad or worse conditions than the average belter. None of them had anything to do with who got to go through the ring or who got to profit from it. Any Belter with more than a room temperature IQ would see that Marco is more of a threat to their existence as a people than Earth and Mars are. He has now put a target on every belter in the system and they are still severely outgunned and outnumbered. The best case scenario for them at this point is not freedom and equality, but a drawn out guerilla war that they can never win and the inners hating them more than ever.
@@davebcf1231 Sure, I said they had a reason to be angry for decades, which they have. Again, not justifying what Marco done, and as for those poor on Earth, who do they blame for their plight? Certainly not the Belters, well not until the attacks of course.
Belters have a legitimate grievance. Eros and Ganymede are just 2 examples of how the inners have fucked them over and this is on top of the constant exploitation by mars and Earth over the centuries. Marco exploits this anger for his own narcissistic agenda to be the next "Alexander the great"
It's not even that they are just limiting the Belters share of the new worlds, it's that most Belters would never be able to survive on those new worlds. The Belters and Martians are a dying people, but Martians can at least survive on a planet. The Belt will be forgotten and no one cares. Marco doesn't care either. He just sees these legitimate grievances as a way to build an empire with him as leader and he wants to kill as many inners as possible.
There are only a hundred million belters. Earth has 30 billion. Its also the only complex Eco-system that can long term sustain life. Remember Prax and his plants? That wasn't for no reason.
One of the best episodes of The Expanse so far tbh. A top five for sure. Nemesis Games is such a great book and season 5 is turning out to be a great season to match! Marco is a great villain and like most terrorists and villains, he sees himself as a legitimate, good freedom fighter. And Monica is becoming a lowkey MVP this season! The Expanse is still somehow the most undetappreciated show airing. I don't know why it is still flying under so many people's radars in terms of the best shows around right now. But I'm glad you guys have been on board promoting it for so long! Ty and Daniel should try to get a few of you guys in S6 in a background cameo for the support you've brought to it!
Yeah there’s definitely a lot more people watching the show now, a shame it’s ending with season 6. Me and my college roommates started watching it in November! Finally all caught up for the final few episodes
I'm fairly certain that the blast yield and casualty figures used in this episode were deliberately watered down by the powers that be because they were uncomfortable with more realistic figures.
So glad you guys caught up! This has got to be one of the best episodes of tv ever. People have called it the "red wedding" episode of the Expanse. The Martian parliament was bombed at the same time Fred was killed and the asteroids hit. It gave me chills because it was almost the same feeling I had on 9/11 where you had no idea what was going on and the looks of Alex and Bobbie as they watched the reports were the same expressions me and my coworkers had at work when the planes hit.
The writers have acknowledged that Casey the cook was a reference to Steven Segal's role as the cook in "Under Siege." "The Pit" refers to the underground level of the prison. "Freddie's Dead" is a song. It's on TH-cam. "We can deal with rockets and dreams, but reality, what does it mean? Ain't nothing said...'cause Fred is dead." You guys should have noticed in this show that people don't get "sucked out" into space (all the other sci fi shows get that wrong). In fact, the larger the opening, the slower the air flow outward. Proportionately, Earth lost as many people as the Belt lost with Eros and Ganymede (those events also were terrorism). Earth never apologized for those acts. Not to mention that Earth had totally ignored the magnanimous acts of the Belters that saved Earth from Eros (which Earth caused), saved Mars from the hybrids (which Mars caused), and saved the entire Solar System from the Ring Station. The Inner planets never acknowledged their indebtedness to the Belt, but continued to plot against the Belters, such as the threat to take the Medina station. When was Earth going to start doing the right thing? It is important for powerful nations to examine their own actions. This is like the US being oblivious to the national actions that led to 9/11, even though it had been signaled for a decade. And even after 9/11, the US failed to examine its own national actions...the US continued doing everything it had been doing.
You have a lot of your facts simply wrong. Ashford and the belters tried to futilely attack the ring gate from inside the ring, causing the ring station to prepare to fire on the sun and cause a supernova, wiping out all human life in the entire galaxy. They stubbornly refused to listen to reason. The human race was only saved because of the intervention of Holden and Clarissa Mao, 2 earthers. Mars was saved by Fred Johnson (an Earther), Alex (a Martian) and Naomi (a Belter). So at best it was a draw. Finally, it’s absurd to say that the loss of life for earth was proportionate to Ganymede. Marcos attacks will result in the majority of all human beings in the entire galaxy dying of starvation. Tens of billions of people. He has caused the complete ecological collapse of the only source of soil and complex biologics in the entire galaxy. No food can grow on a single one of the 1300 colony worlds, nor on ganymede, nor anywhere else in the entire galaxy without soil from Earth, which is now in the throes of complete ecological catastrophe.
@@spacecadet2172 I'm talking about the perception of actions by the UN. Politically, Fred Johnson is seen by the UN and Mars as a Belter. So, for that matter, has been the activity of the Rocinante. All of their actions are perceived as Belter actions by the UN and Mars. Which group have you seen cheering the Rocinante crew? Earthers or Belters? Where does the Rocinante find harbor, with Earthers or with Belters? Except for Avasarala herself, the Rocinante has no friends in the UN or on Mars. Remember that Naomi's explicit rationale for Fred to use those missiles to save Mars was to gain the respect of Inners for the Belt...but it clearly did not work. The reason the Ring Station became an existential threat to humanity was because an Earther captain had the idea to detonate a nuke near it, btw. That was an Inner screw-up.
@@kirkdarling4120 You seem to have poor media literacy. Every statement you make is peppered with inaccuracies and headcannon. I suggest you seriously review the source material.
Fun fact: That location where the 2nd asteroid hit (40 km northwest of Philadelphia) is right around where I live; about 5-10 minutes away from Valley Forge National Park. I think every viewer who has read book 5 reacted exactly the same way that Mickey did in this video. Aside from the asteroid count, they really stayed pretty close to how it goes down in the book.
The same number of asteroids hit in the show and the book. 3. However so far the attack has been only a fraction as bad in the show as in the book. In the show they state that “millions” were killed. In the book, 5 BILLION are killed instantly and another 10 to 15 billion die as a result of the ecological collapse. So the majority of all human beings in the galaxy. The death toll is so massive that they are never able to fully tell how many died, and get their best estimates by measuring the air because it has changed so much from all the decomposing human corpses. So as of right now the show is actually quite different.
the asteroids they are flinging are not planet killers. they're big, 40-50 megatons in impact energy as stated in a previous episode, but we've set off bombs that size on earth before (Tsar Bomba) for comparison, Meteor crater in Arizona was formed by an impact energy of an estimated 10 megatons.
BOOK SPOILER NEMESIS GAMES AND BABYLONS ASHES. - - - - - - - - - - Fred did get shot in the books, but he did survive. This was a huge departure to make the attack more devastating. He died in Babylons Ashes trying to get to a meeting with Avasarala. She has a nervous breakdown in the book when that happens.
it happens really fast but you can see two railgun satellites shoot the asteroid first to break it up - two purple flashes in the lower left of screen. the wave of nukes break up and atomize the smaller pieces that are left after.
21:40 It goes beyond that if you think that the "inners" plan is to just keep on mining asteroids (if the costs are worth it) while depleting the other planets of their own resources, so it's not even just Earth. The problem with Inaros' segue is that he turns it into an eco-fascist plan that would gladly get rid of everyone else in order to remake humanity like he says here.
It's a silly plan at the end of the day because if Earth were truly wiped out or damaged beyond redemption then not just humans on Earth would suffer but likely all human life in the entire system would perish within generations since all humans in the entire system still depend on Earth as the only source of live soil (vital for agriculture throughout the system and the production of food even in the Belt). Furthermore, even the gates would be a problem for the Belters since they literally can't colonize the new worlds beyond the ring gates without Inners because they mostly don't have Inner physiology to handle the 1g, 1 atmosphere planets that the gates lead to.
@@Cbricklyne Fair points though I don't think Inaros ever considered destroying the planet but rather didn't care if he killed all of the inhabitants. I do think he's capable of following through and releasing the protomolecule but I think that would be a last resort "I'm taking you with us" sort of thing. The Belters can colonize if there's enough of them to roll the dice like we saw last season but most of them seem to think like Drummer, that it would kill their way of life, so I'm seeing it as they want monopoly on the outer space of all of the systems. Maybe they think they can get from the other planets what they need Earth for at the moment but like I said in another comment, we need to see what he proposes to replace the current system with because so far I don't see any of it working beyond them having to trade with the inners anyway.
I loved the "book readers" reaction. He did not expect Fred getting shot at all. Buddy can I help you lift your dropped jaw up..............We not in Kansas anymore baratna
Imo it was a needless changed, worsened by the ridiculous manner in which it was executed. Fred and Holden suffering from plot induced stupidity and Fred's organisations being leaky as a sieve.
@@VolrinSeth He is surrounded by Belters! I was expecting something like this to happen I mean how can it not, how was evaded in the book even? It's so easy to insert some belters among the houndreds or more of belters working in that station, OPA was already everywhere in the first season.
Now I remember why I stopped watching the normies reacting to Expanse during season 4. Came to watch reactions and discussions about the TV show and what I get is Micky discussing the books and getting half of it wrong.
"Chrissy"..Queen of Earth. Marcos is a great bad guy because you kand of know where hes coming from and why he hates the Inners. Fred last longer in the books. Earth is now in a nuclear winter. Did you all gt the inside joke with "Chief Cassey"?..You really need to watch the aftershow interviews with the cast.
When Avasarala called Chef Casey in the UN SecGen's plane, is that a reference to Steven Seagal Under Siege movies? I was expecting the Chef to kung fu his way to get Chrisjen's message to the SecGen
Wonder if Fred got a good night's sleep with the protomolecule right under his bed. I guess he figured if anyone ever got that far in Tycho, he'd have lost anyway.
You will not get sucked out the hole. Your body can vary happily deal with 1 atm. It’s would be a light drag. Especially when the hole is bigger the change in pressure and therefore pull on you would be small
The Pit is a UN Correctional Facility in The Chesapeake Bay conservation area, about 450Km away from the impact zone (40Km NW of Philly). Most of that part of the East Coast is already underwater from global warming, add to that any tsunami action from the asteroid strike off the West coast of Africa and it's not the geography that we have today.
0:12. Gaugamela. It's referring to the Battle of Gaugamela, the decisive battle of Alexander the Great's Persian campaign that essentially finished off the once mighty Persian Empire. 1:51. I guess one of the good things about this show being so underrated is that you're less likely to get spoiled. XD
The base violence required for change. I think Andor, The Expanse, and Arcane have made some great stories making a point about oppression inevitability leading to violence, but also point out the worst people will use it to manipulate people the way Marco manipulates angry Belters.
This episode is very interesting, and no one mentioned that in the same episode there is a small but effective counter for the speech of Marco. The scenes of Camina Drummer, in which after being convinced to not hang out in the quest for revenge, she chooses to send the data and evidence to Avasarala thus she could start operating beforehand and save from the attack that was about to be even worse. Camina represents constructivism against the radicalization of Marco.
You guys need to remember that The Belt was getting screwed over by Earth and Mars for GENERATIONS. Marcos not only proved the strength of the belt, he united all the factions and he secured the future by seizing the protomolecule. One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.
Earth in this era has around 30 billion people on it. They might go into it in subsequent episodes, but the casualty numbers is likely MUCH MUCH higher than what you guys are thinking.
Were not seeing the real numbers either, there have most probably been a lot more deaths, James Sa Corey said the yields in the series were inaccurate due to the stealth tech.
23:02 It's a big mistake framing it as a zero sum game. Inaros' genocide here isn't "far worse" nor is it any better than generations of Belters being treated like *cattle.* On top of the innocent losses on each side, even if the attacks were only directed at people who were guilty, the system is still in place and those individuals would be replaced by others that would then go on to get their previously innocent hands bloody. The part of Inaros' plan that isn't clear is exacly what does he propose to replace the current system with. We need to see more on that later.
??? They DID attack Mars, too. There was a bombing of the Martian parliament or something of that sort mentioned on the news, that happened at the same time as when the first rock hit the Earth.
I can’t believe he compared Hitler to the analogies that Mikey used, he was talking about oppressed people revolting and Suraj brings us a racist who killed millions, there’s no comparison whatsoever.
You can not really justify what Marco did but being part of an oppressed nation would probably breed a level of hate for everyone of the nation who are oppressing you. It makes me think back to the successful slave revolt of Haiti where they revolted against their French oppressors and won their independence. While the belters are not slaves they are almost treated like share croppers or similar to how Americans of African decent were treated under Jim Crow which makes it hard to not see where a person like Marco is coming from.
I guess I mis-remembered ya'll I really thought they get hit with more than 3 in the books. It's been a while since book 5 - Micky -
You did not misremember, the book did not lie about how bad it was. I think the show's news reports are minimizing the actual damage, that shockwave was nowhere near ~100-300 kilotons waaaaaay more powerful.
I was waiting for you to see Fred get killed because I knew you'd be shook! Was worth the wait.
James SA corey said the yields we got in the episodes were intentionally inaccurate, martian stealth tech made the numbers really unreliable.
@@Matisaro news says estimated power of hit around 100 to 300k there can be more...
you guys should seriously read the Universal War album
Rana: "They're watching her reaction! That's evil!"
Me: "uh oh"
Are we the baddies?
That shot of a mortally wounded Fred Johnson looking out the window as he was floated past it at the wrecked dockyard is incredibly sad. It felt like a tragic call back to when he urged Holden to go build something. In his last moments, Fred knew what he had worked to build on Tyco had failed. To know on your dying breath, that you're life's work has been destroyed, by the very people you had pledged yourself to help, thats gotta be indescribably heartbreaking.
No Micky, the difference in pressure between 0 atmosphere and 1 atmosphere is only, well 1 atmosphere. the pressure differential is about the same as diving 10 meters in water. the physics depicted are accurate. Kyle Hill already did a video about this :)
Yeah, hole into space isn't as dramatic as some movies has shown us.
@@TealJosh as pretty much every other SF movie or show
No one talking about how Fred Johnson literally had the protomolecule under his bed lol
The fact that this episode even caught Mickey off guard is just simply amazing
Yeah the deviations from the book really kept us book readers on our toes.
History-fan here: "Gaugamela" was the site of the final battle between Alexander the Great and the Persian King Darius III. in 331BC. It was one of the largest and most decisive battles of Greek Antiquity, marking a crushing loss for the Persians (the dominant empire of the world at the time) and paving the way for Alexander's subsequent conquests. As far as episode titles go, you can't get much more ominous :D
Also, Marco's ship is called the Pella, which was Alexander's capital at the time. He is one arrogant bastard.
And Philip is named after the father of Alexander the Great and Adm sauveterre quotes Xerxes in his war college speech
That single day also tipped the balance of power where Alexander The Great became the defacto king of the known Greek. Fitting title for the episode.
Funny enough the actor who plays Marco Inaros his stage name is Keon 'Alexander'
Also Alexander was narcissistic lunatic. While the Persians the big bad empire, were very likely better.
@@REVAN2338 for a lot of kingdoms that were conquered by Persia, that wasn't the case. The Egyptians, for example, hated the Persians and jumped at the chance to crown Alexander Pharaoh of Egypt and any metric you use shows life in Egypt did improve under Greek rule to the point the Ptolemaic Kingdom become the most powerful and wealthy kingdom in Hellenic Greece. Part of the reason why Alexander was able to conquer so much land was due to his rule being more favorable than Persian rule.
“Can we talk about how terrorism is bad for a second?” fucking killed me 🤣🤣
Oh come on now, anyone still supporting BLM - who sound word-for-word exactly like Marco, and also been acting like him for well over a year now (albeit on a small scale thank fuck) - would not understand why terrorism is bad. And you know it.
@@rauminen4167 Edgelord - or rather Edgidiot - If you truely cannot see the difference between Inaro and BLM, then your brain has rotted away by watching to much Fox and reading too much Qanon
@@MrSmokinDragon Roighty. So instead of mentioning a single valid (or even invalid) point of difference between the two, you go directly for personal attacks.
To any reasonable person with 2 brain cells to rub together this behaviour shows that you yourself KNOW for a fact that you do not have an argument.
Take a good hard long look in the mirror, stop projecting your own issues onto me, have a think and come back.
Or not, and accept what you are.
@@rauminen4167 exactly, these people support a terrorist group who is nothing but a scam and a Democrat party operative for when they need to cause havoc.
When your whole body is shaking you know that this episode is good 😂
Mickey's face starting at 10:26 is every book-reader's face while watching the show with non-book-readers. Mickey's face at 11:45 is every book-reader's face when we all realized that these showrunners aren't fucking around, and they don't care whether you've read the books or not!! So glad to see you guys all back together again!
Marco's message is great because you can definitely see how a Belter would sympathize with it. They've been exploited for centuries, placed first in line to pay the price of progress, last in line to reap the benefits. They've struggled for independence and been violently suppressed without any hint of remorse from the inners. Now they're whole way of life, to which many have no alternative, is going to be wiped out as a result of the gates. To belters, Earth isn't really like a place with people on it, it's a place where all their problems come from. People can barely conceptualize the difference between a million and a billion lives - many Belters simply see Earth hurting and say "see? That's what it's like."
Yeah you are right...if you have lost all humanity. Lives are lives. Killing millions and basically laughing about it is psychopatic.
Not to mention the very gates that are their undoing, wouldn’t exist if people from earth hadn’t sacrificed an entire asteroid full of millions of belters to see what the proto molecule would do
The fact that in this world people are living in different planets and asteroids not just in different countries "helps" too. It helps belters dehumanize earthers and earthers dehumanize belters. They are just somewhere up there in the sky, out of their reach for ever for each other.
@@2nd_Directorate It's really not though. Humans have been slaughting humans and celebrating it for most of human history. Nations and empires are built on blood.
The older belter says it better in the next episode to Naomi.
Book Readers: I know whats about to happen.
Show Runner: Oh do you? 11:46
I KNOW RIGHT!!!?!?? I literally yelled when that happened!
I haven't read the books but watching Micky's smug little 'I know what's coming face' go to surprised Pikachu I knew, this shit aint in the books.
@@MaikNL Fred Johnson dies of a stroke in the books, so yeah, suffice it to say this came as a shock. XD
@@MaikNL wasnt that scene in book 6?
@@MoviesAndTvShowsAreSubjective it was the same outcome, but different cause. (Staying vague as to not spoil for those who've not read book 6)
Something you guys missed because you were talking over it, Martian Parliament was bombed at the (relatively) same time as when the first rock hit. Bobbie and Alex saw that on the newscast.
They weren't talking over it.
GOT 3x09
Hannibal 2x13
Mr Robot 3x06
And now The Expanse 5x04
All show altering episodes!
You forgot to mention at least 10 Babylon 5 episodes.
Full couch for an insane episode
Only 3 asteroids hit in the book too, the locations were just a bit different.
and larger explosions too I think, or the numbers mentioned in the show were off by an order of magnitude.
@@TealJosh The numbers reported were intentionally false, the writer of the book confirmed that the news and reports thought it was much smaller amongst the initial confusion
@@d-squared2769 okay. That makes more sense. I was worried it was a mistake. It's easy even today to figure out size of explosion so I slightly disagree with the direction writers took it in that case.
@@TealJosh The numbers are off but I do not think it is because they changed the numbers. I think earth news is lying about how big they are/were.
@@d-squared2769 YAAAS I am glad I caught that myself.
There were nine asteroids. Three hit, three missed and three were shot down. Nine.
...And one broke up near the sun and crashed into Venus. Unless they counted that as one of the misses, that would be ten.
@@misterevil1967
The one that broke up near the sun is counted as one of the ones that missed.
Marco's own bridge officer confirmed the total count towards the end of the episode.
It was 9 rocks in total.
@@Cbricklyne Why would he include the rock that failed weeks or months earlier?
@@DoddyIshamel because it's still a rock that missed lmfao
@@grelkie Oh, so he didn't bother telling Marcos about it months earlier? Or are the Inaros group in on the audience being dumb and count it now for the audiences benefit?
Just remember what Marco Inaros said about the folly of perceiving others as weak. However, being a pathological narcissist he cannot see how he is doing what he accuses "the Inners" of doing.
They blew up the martian parliament at the same time the first asteroid hit. You missed that completely ;)
Most people did. We were all still reeling from the asteroid hits. Most people didn't listen during the report that said Mars got bombed.
@@dadaseyi Indeed, this episode was jam-packed with exciting stuff ;)
@@dadaseyi almost like the attack on Mars was an afterthought, a ploy to make it seem like Mars was a victim too but really it was just to temporarily disrupt military leadership...HMMMMM...
@@brilobox2 exactly.
That was more the fault of the episode for barely mentioning it, let alone showing it. It was six minutes shorter than the previous three episodes, so it was not as if they did not have time to show a sequence.
"The Expanse" isn't a television show.
It's a time machine.
This episode reminded me a LOT of how I felt on September 11th, 2001. Massive amounts of shock and uncertainty, lots of people - often complete strangers - sitting and watching the chaos together, knowing the world would never be the same after that day.
Like someone in the show said " just because someone is the underdog doesn't make them the good guy" and I think that's the beauty of this series. We don't have clear cut good or bad guys like in real life. The oppression and exploitation of the belters doesn't justify the terrorizing of civilians on Earth. If Marco attacked military targets that would be justified but attacking civilians is just going to continue the cycle of violence's between Earth and the Belt.
@@Fordo007 Yeah so the cycle of violence continues with the Belter as the oppressors
You missed the statement that when the first asteroid hit Earth somebody blew up the Martian Parliament.
a lot of people have
"Just because their an underdog you think their the good guy?"-Bull Episode 1 Season 5.
They're*
@36:01 - They blew up the Martian parliament building at the same time that they attacked Earth. It's mentioned, in the beginning, at the bottom of the newsfeed video that Alex and Bobbi were watching.
Is easy to miss after what happens just before that.
They blew up the Martian Parliament at the same time as the rocks hit. It was mentioned in the initial news brief.
Someone did.
@@AzkuulaKtaktu True ;)
The best villains in literature are the ones we can identify with, even if we are repelled by their methods to achieve their goals. Purely evil bad guys are cartoons.
Well, I would say this guy is purely evil. But then again, those who think like him are purely evil too, and there's quite a few of them in our society today.
1:28 on last week's episode I wrote a comment about the patreon early access (don't know if more people did as well). I just want to say that I didn't mean it in a bad, to call you out for being "money hungry" 🙈 or anything like that. I only wrote it as a heads-up/correction to everyone, that's it 😅. Love u guys! Apologies Suraj if it came out sounding differently ❤️
"Thank god for Mickey." :-)
"We're cool!" Rana, yes y'all are.
24:40 Thank god. I was fully prepared to see Pat be a Marcos stan just because he's the villain lol
"we've been sitting on this for 3 weeks. Can we just watch them when they come out?"
Yes Suraj, you're absolutely right. We hate waiting weeks until your expanse reactions. Episode 6 was 4 days ago -_-
Listen to that boi !
I think they were waiting so all six of them can watch together, I believe Mikey lives in another state.
10:40 Micky just watching everyone crumble with the biggest smile ever bro i love you so much lmaaao
Don’t forget guys, it was an earth based company that saw no issue sacrificing an entire asteroid of belters to experiment with proto-molecule, and the proto soldiers were belter children. Add that to years of oppression from Mars and earth a like and you see why many belters she no issue with Marco, wrong as it may be.
Eros was a perfect isolated testing environment, and surprise, when you do illegal experiments in space you aren't going to traffic children from the Inner planets, you're going to get subjects locally. The biggest mistake the Inners made was allowing the original Belters to live outside a gravity well for long enough to develop their own separate culture. I guess we can blame Earth and Martian laws for that blunder.
Also the destruction of Ganymede was an inner battle.
Glad to see Mikey back.
The Pit was actually near the Chesapeake Bay...the scene where you get to see the outside of the prison says "Chesapeake Conservancy Zone"
Ran a: “look at them just watching her reaction! So evil!”
Me watching Normies reaction: 😳😬👀
The fact that this show causes a discussion about Marco’s justification versus the moral cost of terrorism is just a testament to how good it is.
That incredible feeling you get when you know you just watched the best episode of a series is truly unique
*Normies listen to one of Hitler's speeches about international Jewry*
"I get where he's coming from"
"Clarissa Mao."
"A true fan"
Ooor - a hint that Peaches may get a role big enough that a reader would remember her name no matter what. :)
In the books, Holden points out that for all his murder and death, what Marco says isn't wrong. At that moment, he isn't wrong. And the way to defeat him is to make him wrong, is to change society to prove that he isn't needed.
The 911 comparison is on point.
No excusing what Inaro did, but you can understand their anger. Besides the decades of being treated as 3rd class citizens, the Sol Ring was literally created from thousands of Belters that were on Eros that was part of a Earth company experiment, they practically destroyed the bread basket of the belt on Ganymede and even now Earth & Mars are trying to limit Belters share of the riches of all those new Solar systems and Worlds.
Most of the people on Earth Marco murdered had just as much reason to be angry. Most of them lived in as bad or worse conditions than the average belter. None of them had anything to do with who got to go through the ring or who got to profit from it. Any Belter with more than a room temperature IQ would see that Marco is more of a threat to their existence as a people than Earth and Mars are. He has now put a target on every belter in the system and they are still severely outgunned and outnumbered. The best case scenario for them at this point is not freedom and equality, but a drawn out guerilla war that they can never win and the inners hating them more than ever.
@@davebcf1231 Sure, I said they had a reason to be angry for decades, which they have. Again, not justifying what Marco done, and as for those poor on Earth, who do they blame for their plight? Certainly not the Belters, well not until the attacks of course.
Belters have a legitimate grievance. Eros and Ganymede are just 2 examples of how the inners have fucked them over and this is on top of the constant exploitation by mars and Earth over the centuries. Marco exploits this anger for his own narcissistic agenda to be the next "Alexander the great"
Any human being who feels for the skinnys is a traitor of earth
It's not even that they are just limiting the Belters share of the new worlds, it's that most Belters would never be able to survive on those new worlds. The Belters and Martians are a dying people, but Martians can at least survive on a planet. The Belt will be forgotten and no one cares. Marco doesn't care either. He just sees these legitimate grievances as a way to build an empire with him as leader and he wants to kill as many inners as possible.
"Savage Industries" on the robot - an homage to Adam Savage, the Mythbusters guy.
There are only a hundred million belters. Earth has 30 billion. Its also the only complex Eco-system that can long term sustain life. Remember Prax and his plants? That wasn't for no reason.
This episode captures the feeling of turning on the news on 9/11 better than any show I've seen.
One of the best episodes of The Expanse so far tbh. A top five for sure. Nemesis Games is such a great book and season 5 is turning out to be a great season to match!
Marco is a great villain and like most terrorists and villains, he sees himself as a legitimate, good freedom fighter.
And Monica is becoming a lowkey MVP this season!
The Expanse is still somehow the most undetappreciated show airing. I don't know why it is still flying under so many people's radars in terms of the best shows around right now. But I'm glad you guys have been on board promoting it for so long! Ty and Daniel should try to get a few of you guys in S6 in a background cameo for the support you've brought to it!
Yeah there’s definitely a lot more people watching the show now, a shame it’s ending with season 6. Me and my college roommates started watching it in November! Finally all caught up for the final few episodes
I'm fairly certain that the blast yield and casualty figures used in this episode were deliberately watered down by the powers that be because they were uncomfortable with more realistic figures.
This is the most impactful and disturbing episode of The Expanse ever! Really shook me! But done so very good!
So glad you guys caught up! This has got to be one of the best episodes of tv ever. People have called it the "red wedding" episode of the Expanse.
The Martian parliament was bombed at the same time Fred was killed and the asteroids hit. It gave me chills because it was almost the same feeling I had on 9/11 where you had no idea what was going on and the looks of Alex and Bobbie as they watched the reports were the same expressions me and my coworkers had at work when the planes hit.
The writers have acknowledged that Casey the cook was a reference to Steven Segal's role as the cook in "Under Siege."
"The Pit" refers to the underground level of the prison.
"Freddie's Dead" is a song. It's on TH-cam. "We can deal with rockets and dreams, but reality, what does it mean? Ain't nothing said...'cause Fred is dead."
You guys should have noticed in this show that people don't get "sucked out" into space (all the other sci fi shows get that wrong). In fact, the larger the opening, the slower the air flow outward.
Proportionately, Earth lost as many people as the Belt lost with Eros and Ganymede (those events also were terrorism). Earth never apologized for those acts.
Not to mention that Earth had totally ignored the magnanimous acts of the Belters that saved Earth from Eros (which Earth caused), saved Mars from the hybrids (which Mars caused), and saved the entire Solar System from the Ring Station. The Inner planets never acknowledged their indebtedness to the Belt, but continued to plot against the Belters, such as the threat to take the Medina station. When was Earth going to start doing the right thing?
It is important for powerful nations to examine their own actions. This is like the US being oblivious to the national actions that led to 9/11, even though it had been signaled for a decade. And even after 9/11, the US failed to examine its own national actions...the US continued doing everything it had been doing.
You have a lot of your facts simply wrong. Ashford and the belters tried to futilely attack the ring gate from inside the ring, causing the ring station to prepare to fire on the sun and cause a supernova, wiping out all human life in the entire galaxy. They stubbornly refused to listen to reason. The human race was only saved because of the intervention of Holden and Clarissa Mao, 2 earthers.
Mars was saved by Fred Johnson (an Earther), Alex (a Martian) and Naomi (a Belter). So at best it was a draw.
Finally, it’s absurd to say that the loss of life for earth was proportionate to Ganymede. Marcos attacks will result in the majority of all human beings in the entire galaxy dying of starvation. Tens of billions of people. He has caused the complete ecological collapse of the only source of soil and complex biologics in the entire galaxy. No food can grow on a single one of the 1300 colony worlds, nor on ganymede, nor anywhere else in the entire galaxy without soil from Earth, which is now in the throes of complete ecological catastrophe.
@@spacecadet2172 I'm talking about the perception of actions by the UN. Politically, Fred Johnson is seen by the UN and Mars as a Belter. So, for that matter, has been the activity of the Rocinante. All of their actions are perceived as Belter actions by the UN and Mars. Which group have you seen cheering the Rocinante crew? Earthers or Belters? Where does the Rocinante find harbor, with Earthers or with Belters? Except for Avasarala herself, the Rocinante has no friends in the UN or on Mars.
Remember that Naomi's explicit rationale for Fred to use those missiles to save Mars was to gain the respect of Inners for the Belt...but it clearly did not work.
The reason the Ring Station became an existential threat to humanity was because an Earther captain had the idea to detonate a nuke near it, btw. That was an Inner screw-up.
@@kirkdarling4120 You seem to have poor media literacy. Every statement you make is peppered with inaccuracies and headcannon. I suggest you seriously review the source material.
Fun fact: That location where the 2nd asteroid hit (40 km northwest of Philadelphia) is right around where I live; about 5-10 minutes away from Valley Forge National Park.
I think every viewer who has read book 5 reacted exactly the same way that Mickey did in this video. Aside from the asteroid count, they really stayed pretty close to how it goes down in the book.
The same number of asteroids hit in the show and the book. 3. However so far the attack has been only a fraction as bad in the show as in the book. In the show they state that “millions” were killed. In the book, 5 BILLION are killed instantly and another 10 to 15 billion die as a result of the ecological collapse. So the majority of all human beings in the galaxy. The death toll is so massive that they are never able to fully tell how many died, and get their best estimates by measuring the air because it has changed so much from all the decomposing human corpses. So as of right now the show is actually quite different.
Micky before Fred: 😏Smug book reader face
Micky after Fred: 😮
Welcome back NormiesFam!
the asteroids they are flinging are not planet killers. they're big, 40-50 megatons in impact energy as stated in a previous episode, but we've set off bombs that size on earth before (Tsar Bomba) for comparison, Meteor crater in Arizona was formed by an impact energy of an estimated 10 megatons.
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Fred did get shot in the books, but he did survive.
This was a huge departure to make the attack more devastating. He died in Babylons Ashes trying to get to a meeting with Avasarala. She has a nervous breakdown in the book when that happens.
it happens really fast but you can see two railgun satellites shoot the asteroid first to break it up - two purple flashes in the lower left of screen. the wave of nukes break up and atomize the smaller pieces that are left after.
of course Suraj couldn't help himself and had to talk over Marco's speech at the end
The unexploded bomb Ashford warned about just exploded...
Woah! You just blew my mind. I just realised what Ashford meant when he was in the ringspace talking about unexploded bombs.
"I'm not trying to justify it, but..." You ARE trying to justify it. Nonsense
21:40 It goes beyond that if you think that the "inners" plan is to just keep on mining asteroids (if the costs are worth it) while depleting the other planets of their own resources, so it's not even just Earth.
The problem with Inaros' segue is that he turns it into an eco-fascist plan that would gladly get rid of everyone else in order to remake humanity like he says here.
It's a silly plan at the end of the day because if Earth were truly wiped out or damaged beyond redemption then not just humans on Earth would suffer but likely all human life in the entire system would perish within generations since all humans in the entire system still depend on Earth as the only source of live soil (vital for agriculture throughout the system and the production of food even in the Belt).
Furthermore, even the gates would be a problem for the Belters since they literally can't colonize the new worlds beyond the ring gates without Inners because they mostly don't have Inner physiology to handle the 1g, 1 atmosphere planets that the gates lead to.
@@Cbricklyne Fair points though I don't think Inaros ever considered destroying the planet but rather didn't care if he killed all of the inhabitants. I do think he's capable of following through and releasing the protomolecule but I think that would be a last resort "I'm taking you with us" sort of thing.
The Belters can colonize if there's enough of them to roll the dice like we saw last season but most of them seem to think like Drummer, that it would kill their way of life, so I'm seeing it as they want monopoly on the outer space of all of the systems. Maybe they think they can get from the other planets what they need Earth for at the moment but like I said in another comment, we need to see what he proposes to replace the current system with because so far I don't see any of it working beyond them having to trade with the inners anyway.
@@Cbricklyne exactly! 100%
Ya'll needed the full couch for this one :D
I loved the "book readers" reaction. He did not expect Fred getting shot at all.
Buddy can I help you lift your dropped jaw up..............We not in Kansas anymore baratna
Yeah, Fred death was hard. In the books it's was a shocker, but it was more shocking in this series. Same Effect!!!
Imo it was a needless changed, worsened by the ridiculous manner in which it was executed. Fred and Holden suffering from plot induced stupidity and Fred's organisations being leaky as a sieve.
I'm not a book reader but I got spoiled on F. Johnson's death. I thought daaaayyyum they are gonna be shook after that. 🤣
@@VolrinSeth He is surrounded by Belters! I was expecting something like this to happen I mean how can it not, how was evaded in the book even? It's so easy to insert some belters among the houndreds or more of belters working in that station, OPA was already everywhere in the first season.
@@christianmh9549 Fred has been working with and for the belters for years. He's got his own faction.
The Pitt is from fallout lol.
Amos is near DC on the Chesapeake bay,.
It’s amazing how this show is such a treat to both going in blind, and bookreaders alike. Crazy season so far!!
5:11 well that astroid back then was a "little" bit bigger
Now I remember why I stopped watching the normies reacting to Expanse during season 4. Came to watch reactions and discussions about the TV show and what I get is Micky discussing the books and getting half of it wrong.
"Chrissy"..Queen of Earth. Marcos is a great bad guy because you kand of know where hes coming from and why he hates the Inners. Fred last longer in the books. Earth is now in a nuclear winter. Did you all gt the inside joke with "Chief Cassey"?..You really need to watch the aftershow interviews with the cast.
There were 9 asteroids btw, 3 destroyed, 3 missed, 3 hit
This video is missing from their playlist of The Expanse reactions. They should fix it.
Fantastic and relevant commentary in our current times during the after-show. Bravo Normies!
When Avasarala called Chef Casey in the UN SecGen's plane, is that a reference to Steven Seagal Under Siege movies? I was expecting the Chef to kung fu his way to get Chrisjen's message to the SecGen
Yeah the writer named him after Casey Ryback. And he also has the black slick back haircut like Segal
Wonder if Fred got a good night's sleep with the protomolecule right under his bed.
I guess he figured if anyone ever got that far in Tycho, he'd have lost anyway.
"i ship them so gd hard" bro you didnt know her name 30 seconds ago
You will not get sucked out the hole. Your body can vary happily deal with 1 atm. It’s would be a light drag. Especially when the hole is bigger the change in pressure and therefore pull on you would be small
The Pit is a UN Correctional Facility in The Chesapeake Bay conservation area, about 450Km away from the impact zone (40Km NW of Philly). Most of that part of the East Coast is already underwater from global warming, add to that any tsunami action from the asteroid strike off the West coast of Africa and it's not the geography that we have today.
Nahid:
Comets =/= Asteroids (or Meteors)
0:12. Gaugamela. It's referring to the Battle of Gaugamela, the decisive battle of Alexander the Great's Persian campaign that essentially finished off the once mighty Persian Empire.
1:51. I guess one of the good things about this show being so underrated is that you're less likely to get spoiled. XD
FULL COUCH HYPE
The base violence required for change.
I think Andor, The Expanse, and Arcane have made some great stories making a point about oppression inevitability leading to violence, but also point out the worst people will use it to manipulate people the way Marco manipulates angry Belters.
This episode is very interesting, and no one mentioned that in the same episode there is a small but effective counter for the speech of Marco. The scenes of Camina Drummer, in which after being convinced to not hang out in the quest for revenge, she chooses to send the data and evidence to Avasarala thus she could start operating beforehand and save from the attack that was about to be even worse.
Camina represents constructivism against the radicalization of Marco.
You guys need to remember that The Belt was getting screwed over by Earth and Mars for GENERATIONS. Marcos not only proved the strength of the belt, he united all the factions and he secured the future by seizing the protomolecule. One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.
22:38 the dream of the oppressed is to be the oppressor
I smiled when Micky said he knew what was gonna happen so he wont say much. There was surprises for book readers too!
If they dont plan on adapting books 7 - 9 on screen, I bloody well hope the Normies will make a Book Club for that last trilogy ! :)
They really should do the books to the end!!! Sigh!!!
I want to see the next reaction right now 😭
Earth in this era has around 30 billion people on it. They might go into it in subsequent episodes, but the casualty numbers is likely MUCH MUCH higher than what you guys are thinking.
Were not seeing the real numbers either, there have most probably been a lot more deaths, James Sa Corey said the yields in the series were inaccurate due to the stealth tech.
Yes, this season has been amazing - BUT MIKEY IS BACK!
Glad he's there too. The Chi normies Expanse reactions are why I subbed 😊
23:02 It's a big mistake framing it as a zero sum game. Inaros' genocide here isn't "far worse" nor is it any better than generations of Belters being treated like *cattle.* On top of the innocent losses on each side, even if the attacks were only directed at people who were guilty, the system is still in place and those individuals would be replaced by others that would then go on to get their previously innocent hands bloody.
The part of Inaros' plan that isn't clear is exacly what does he propose to replace the current system with. We need to see more on that later.
??? They DID attack Mars, too. There was a bombing of the Martian parliament or something of that sort mentioned on the news, that happened at the same time as when the first rock hit the Earth.
I can’t believe he compared Hitler to the analogies that Mikey used, he was talking about oppressed people revolting and Suraj brings us a racist who killed millions, there’s no comparison whatsoever.
Attempted genocide is attempted genocide, no matter how addled your brain is from the social justice kookaid.
You can not really justify what Marco did but being part of an oppressed nation would probably breed a level of hate for everyone of the nation who are oppressing you. It makes me think back to the successful slave revolt of Haiti where they revolted against their French oppressors and won their independence. While the belters are not slaves they are almost treated like share croppers or similar to how Americans of African decent were treated under Jim Crow which makes it hard to not see where a person like Marco is coming from.
11:42 that is the reaction of the book readers when Fred Dies, I am so shocked and suprised that he died!
nice reaction everyone been waiting for this one
Attempt #215: of trying to get The Normies to check out Symbionic-Titan or Primal.
Both made by Genndy Tartakovsky, the guy who made Samurai Jack.
21:02 Wait! Not to cut you off, but let me cut you off to say that I was going to make the same comment you were in the middle of making.
Rana: They are watching her reaction dude... its evil
What are we then huh...? we are evil too😜
As a Sci- Fi and Political thriller guy I love this show
Fred be keeping alien blue goop under his bed xD
Chrisjen Avasarala watching Normies reaction to The Expanse 5x4:
Her: FUCK THAT'S GOOD!
Me: I concur Chrissie.
Keep it going guys!