[Part 1] How Class 2 Bingo Machines Work 🤔 Popular Red Screen Machines in Tribal Casinos
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Great description of the basics Marc. I find myself going back and forth between looking at the card and the reels. If I concentrate on the card too much, it takes away the joy of watching the reels “land” even though they are driven by the card.
I’m interested in the nuances behind how the casino controls the game. If there are controls in place. How many machines are part of a draw/given game or are all machines engaged in the same draw?
Best explanation of these machines I’ve ever seen
This video definitely helped explain why you can get nothing even with a “good card” after you showed that the numbers called out in white do not count toward any pattern. Learned something new. 👍
Thank you Marc for the teaching video on red screen. I hv never played it nor understood the game, even while watching u and Dave play.
Now I'm in a better position to try it.
There is alot to watch.
Great video.
You always come up with great items and topics.
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This was so informative. I stopped, rewound and replayed the video several times. You made it so much more understandable for me. I found out I'll get a chance to try Class 2 for the first time during a June trip. Thanks Marc!
Such a great explanation Marc! My local is loaded with Class 2 Bingo Machines! I like playing them & now understand them so much better! Thank u so much!!🥰👍
Reinstated a lot of things for me and delivered it well. Thanks for education. Is it true when the casino is less busy the prizes will be bigger since your playing against less people?
Very good explanation Marc! I do feel the same that the 3 reel 5 liners are the best to start out with. Then move to a single line 3 reel and lastly the 5reel 9 liner.
That's just too much to deal with. I guess I do better with class 3. More relaxing. Its just me.
@Gailesch you can play these and pretend your on a class 3. Disregard the card and watch the reels, enjoy the wins. There are some like Marc showed you wouldn't even know are class 2 but play like class 3 machines with bonuses (technically 'red spins') and progressives. good luck! 👍
I think the point of the video is explaining the difference between a bingo machine and a class 3 with RNG in the computer? A blind man can play slots as the machine will always let you know when you win.
Quantum physics, no problem. Figuring out these Bingo Machines, mind boggling until this video. Thanks Marc!
No problem!
Love this! Since I haven’t watched earlier GSGS or CS videos, this was a first for me. Very informative, and now all I need to do is learn the patterns! Of course, I’ll still watch the earlier videos…. Thanks so much!🎰
Fantastic explanation. Thank you!
hey marc, when people ask about using a players card, my theory is when people go to work, they might use a time card to clock in and if you do not clock in the time clock then you do not get paid or credit! (i do remember back in the 1970s when almost everywhere you worked you had a time card to clock in).
My personal recommendation is make a decision; either use card all of the time or never. Yes it is that simple. I use card most of the time; fun when you win $ 500 or $ 1,000 in a drawing or $ 200 freeplay which turns into multiple jackpots.
Very informative. I wish these type of games were available around here. Now that I understand how they work, they do look like fun. Thank you!
Thank you...I really needed to know this....❤
Thanks for doing this. I go to Jena Choctaw in Dry Prong, LA and they have these. I love Hot Red Ruby 3. It's a five line machine with $2 denomination. $10 to $50 bets. The red spins are great. It's a great machine to win on.
Thanks Marc another great video. You explained it well. I have never played class 2 Machines look like they could be fun
Thanks Marc for another great video. I have never played class 2 machines, look like they could be fun. You explained things very well
How does “playing bingo “against” everyone else in the casino affect your wins? Can you get a pattern but someone gets the same pattern a millisecond before you and you lose?
That was super helpful, thank you! I live in WA, and do see bingo cards on many machines, but they look like placeholders, they don't really do anything or change. Now I get it... I was never sure if our local casinos were really Class 2 or Class 3. I think we're really Class 3....
They are class 2. A weird class 2.
Yeah, I would love to see y’all play some Super Ball Keno or regular Kino. That’s what I enjoy playing when I get to go to the casino. Thanks for the great videos.
I guess i am a nerd but i like the worley sound on those slots as opposed to the class 3 old school slots 😅
Hey Marc, Hope your having a nice Sunday.
Is there a book or list of different win patterns of class2? Would like to look at that before playing. Great vid, for how crappy Vegas is treating the common gambler,other casinos are on my radar.
8:14 that was incredible
I think it would be good if you could capture the winning bingo cards and add annotations to them so we can actually see the patterns. I really didn't see them.
Nice hit by the way!
Much better intro. Algorithm friendly, viewer friendly.
I go to a Class II in IN because it’s closer-not by choice -wins are Pennie’s on the dollar when busy-the only thing good is can low roll 50 to 88 cents spin all night long - & can hit a jackpot on low bets. Can also get in trouble going higher denom & bigger bets -very different from a Class III strategy
Very great tutorial. We don't have anything but Class 3 here, but it's interesting nonetheless.
Good video
Informative video next time a good video may be to explain how VLTS work.
Great part 1 information Marc. I've been using class 2 machines to build my bankroll and go play class 3 machines I like. Waiting on part 2. Thank you!
My regular Casino has a lot of class two bingo machines and I love playing them. This video helped me understand them so much better!!
So, I have heard a lot of people, when playing class, two machines, saying things like slow down your spins and let the numbers catch up or waiting for a certain number to appear before they spin, etc. does any of this matter or change the outcome of the spin? Hope My question is not too confusing lol
None of that matters - there is so much speculation and rumors about Class 2 gaming, it's crazy! They are made to appear just as "random" as Class 3 slots.
Great video! What is your opinion on changing your bet values vs odds? Living in SW MO. We almost exclusively play class 2, and have noticed sometimes (not always) when you cycle bets your odds seem to improve. Any truth is that? Thanks in advance.
lightly tap the 'cashout' button not to actually cash out ticket yet to fool machine into new bingo card; also change bet may change bingo pattern also. Sometimes i change my bet from two to three and back again. As long as she is hitting i am playing.
So it would be best to make your spins at the being of the card?
Thanks, great video. I suspect there is a competitive aspect also when getting paid on a pattern. Friday night I had a small diamond that did not pay. All the numbers were eligible. Do you think someone else had a small diamond at the same time and in the same game and was paid for it because of some additional programming logic? Thanks again.
The patterns are further restricted beyond the "yellow" balls. The player is allowed a specific number of calls to make the pattern, which ensures a predictable long-term probability. The exact number is listed in the rules. In the video, the "corporal stripes" is a 10 spot pattern that must be matched using the first 27 numbers to win. The probability is the same every play, so the game maker calculate exactly how much this pattern contributes to the return.
Yes, thanks for this @4jp - This will be coming up in our Part 2 series where we dive a little deeper into it.
Great question for you: Next to players card info screen there's a sign that says, "This Game Earns Rewards Points At A Reduced Rate". Why would a Class 2 earn less points coin-in versus a Class 3?
I’m seeing this on more & more slots at WinStar. What’s the deal?
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Sorry, never been! Maybe someday
There's some with little bonus games too, like the red ruby that has a mini claw machine bonus game in it.
I would love to see that!
"Raining Rubies" bonus.
Ive done really good on these machines
Took your advice and gave the class 2 games a try. Had my first great win in a long while. $1180. Just shy of a handpay.
Fantastic!
I noticed this before and in your video. The patterns show what they look like and also say in x number balls called. I assumed if a pattern hits in 33 balls called that if the pattern is there but 34 or more balls are called it won't hit. Which would explain why the farther you are on the bingo card the less likely you are to get a hit or red spin. Correct me if I'm wrong please.
You are correct - this will be in our next Part 2 as we dive a bit more deeper into it.
@@GambleSmart awesome! Thanks for the heart.
Here in "NO GAMBLING" Texas. there is a Indian Casino 2 hrs away from me. Are they regulated the same as class 3 machines?
Thanks Marc. Do we have a better chance when the machine bounces back and just starts adding white numbers? Also, If we are playing 45 credits like you were and hit multiple patterns, will the machine repeat between patterns more than if the we were playing a lower credit amount?
No, the point of the bingo systems is to introduce the same level of randomness that Class 3 machines experience. There is no way to improve your chances.
Is the bingo machines similiar to the machines that have horse racing attached to them?
I play at a class II facility and understand it's Bingo. I generally don't pay attention to the card, but should I? Do malfunctions ever occur that a winning pattern (all eligible) doesn't transfer to the reels?
My casino in Washington state has class 2 bingo games. I’ve never seen “red screens” are they hiding them behind the slot animations and just paying out larger amounts all at once?
I did some class 2 outside Montgomery. Never hit once all night. Not even a small line but. Not for me
Are the horse racing machines a class 2
So In a class 2 facility since you’re playing the game of bingo is it better to play when there’s a lot of people and the money pool is bigger or is it better to go when it’s slower that way the chances of you hitting bingo is higher?
Also at the class 2 facility I go to there are games that the bingo card doesn’t change every time you hit the spin button, is it better to change the card manually throughout my session on that game?
Thanks in advance!
There is no pool. These are not pari-mutuel. This is a bingo game with bonus prizes for people who match certain patterns within so many numbers called. The competitive part pays peanuts and the bingo game is only there to make the game legal as bingo. What they are actually doing is using a very complex game, bingo, to model a less complex one.
The patterns shown in the video always have the same probability no matter when a person joins a game or how many people are playing. The "corporal stipes" is a 10 spot pattern that must be hit in 27 calls. That is not likely (i am not sure how the calls work on VGT, so I cannot calculate probability of it happening.) Playing with more people or playing at the end of a game or playing at 10 am does not make it more likely. It is always the same.
I’m not sure if I missed it in the video, but how do bonuses work on class 2? For example, on a class 2 huff n puff, do the bonuses also get assigned their own bingo cards?
Also follow up question, do ALL class 2 slots share the same volatility/RTP? So that each machine is technically the exact same since you’re playing against others?
the reservation i go to allows you change bingo cards....do you do that❤😢
QUESTION. Are the RNG programmed for near misses? For example, two out of three bonus symbols making the player feel “close”? I ❤ your videos but haven’t seen this answered. ty
Yes, and they have been for quite some time. If the result of the RNG is a loss, they can make it feel like you almost got it. Several ways they go about doing this. :)
So is each payline a separate bingo game
If you explained it, I missed it, but are patterns picked from a pool of available patterns at random by the computer for each spin? Or do you get to see which pattern you're trying to get before you press that button?
It all happens the moment you press the spin button, so, you are not able to see what is coming next. Also, on games that allow you to change the bingo card, that does nothing for the outcomes either. :)
How often does it change cards evey single spin or what jim
Every spin
The casino I go to shows the card with green, yellow, and red marked squares. I don’t know what each color means.
How often in the game do the cards change? And do you have the ability to change "bad" cards?
Every spin
I remember reading an article a few years back about Mystic Lake Casino in Prior Lake Minnesota - it was about a "Whole House Progressive Slot System" that they had - Minnesota is a Class 3 state - is this some sort of different server based system used exclusively by Indian casinos?
I’d have to know more about it to be sure, but there are local area progressives in class 3.
@@GambleSmart - there is also a rumored progressive bonusing system that is part of the IGT Advantage System. This is where you get the jackpot payouts at certain times thing and the basis for the Professor Slots theory. I found it interesting that Brantley mentioned that the prizes get bigger as the pool gets bigger with HHR machines. Is it possible that Class 3 has a similar progressive feature? My thoughts are that the IGT Aurora system used with VLT's - IGT Advantage, Class 2, and HHR's are all using similar technology with slight variations and different seeding. Any thoughts?
@@chuckzamzow Class III machines can't work that way because of regulations. A class III machine can't "change it's stripes". Every spin has to have the same odds. It requires physical access to the machine to change anything meaningful on a class III game. The "whole house" progressive you speak of might be tied to the players card network and not the game itself. The players aren't actually feeding the progressive with their play. Nor does this effect the machine's RTP if a player wins the players card progressive. It's not much different then any other casino drawing.
@@kevinb4079 - so there is an individual personal progressive "Jackpot" tied to your players card?
@@kevinb4079 - so what exactly is "Lucky Time" ???
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Is changing the bingo card effective?
Nope!
Where did you get those hats they look like women hats
I like playing the single line $5 games that have the random bonus. I only play 1 credit (I'm cheap😂😂😂).
I just have fun & play the machine(s) or should i say they 'play' me. Thank you for the effort. It is tough to explain. Other theories exist beside what the casino tells you 'random number generator' NO, you do not have a chance of winning a progressive or jackpot on any random day. Sine wave rises and falls in synch. It does NOT spend that much time at the peak of the luck/energy. Science Technology Engineering Match (STEM) techniques apply to gambling; for example; did you make an A in statistics class ?
I actually did, both courses :) Although statistics isn't my favorite subject, I'm a software engineer and love math. Probability and statistics comes into my work often. They use a pRNG that is seeded by multiple values, both located inside and outside of the brain box. This ensures that on boot, the initial seed value is not predictable in any way. They go to some insane lengths to make sure it's as random as it possibly can be. It can never be as random as what appears in nature though, it's still computer code. But, for the sake of gambling machines, the method in which they code the pRNG prevents predictable outcomes.
@@GambleSmart Literally i walked into casino and (intentionally) jackpotted on the first spin $ 2,400. They are NOT as random as some people are led to believe. Previous record was a 2nd spin jackpot. In that one i gave casino two $ 5 spins (gave casino 10 bucks) jackpotted $ 2,000 even. Got paid jp and walked out of casino up $ 1,990. Gambling predictions exist. Not easy yet NOT impossible. Sine wave is the wave to surf at casino. Cheers
I hate class 2 so much. If the casino is class 2 I leave
Just curious, how come?
I’m no slot expert, but I’ve been annihilated every single time I’ve been in a class 2 casino. I gave it honest shots multiple times since class 3 can wreck me the same way, but my personal experience has been really bad with them. Plus, I’m a huge fan of single pay line slots and all the class 2’s I’ve personally been in don’t have them.
Totally understand.
The manufacturer is "VGT"? Is that like the generic store brand knock off of IGT lol.
It stands for Video Game Terminal. They are made by Aristocrat
Video Gaming Technologies. They were based out of Tennessee and originally only operated in the oklahoma market. Aristocrat paid $1.3 billion for it in 2014. Since then, the VGT part of the business has nearly quadrupled units installed. As mentioned, bingo (and VLT) are referred to in the industry as "video games" to differentiate them from slots.
I think the presentation of the bingo game itself is the most confusing.
Are the white numbers there just so people can’t win all the time? Because in regular bingo everybody shares the call numbers but none of them are “ineligible” if you have them.
And do different machines get different patterns? Why would I go play a 9 line 5 credit if the 3 credit 1 line has the same patterns? (Besides the chance to win bigger)
Do all the machines have the same white numbers? Or does everybody on the server get different white numbers?
I understand the randomness of it, and the appeal, but I just feel like RNGs (class 3) have a more presentable approach
Lots to unpack there. The white numbers are ineligible numbers. Notice they continue to appear after the spin as that game of bingo continues to be called. Why they highlight them on the card even though they are numbers relating to the card you drew on the spins, I'm not certain. I can only assume it's make it look like you have better card then you do each spin. It's not like a traditional game of bingo where your card is played until the game is over. You're playing the game as it's in progress at that moment you press spin.
Anyone playing the same game of bingo on the back-end will have the same numbers. The color of the numbers can be different though based on at what point the spin was made and the card drawn. Since the back-end bingo servers can be "feeding" many different machines you could be on the same bingo game as the person next to you or playing a different bingo game. The only way to tell is to look at the numbers drawn. If they are the same on both machines then most likely both machines were playing the same game of bingo during the last spin.
Yes different games can have different winning patterns you need to match and what those patterns pay can be different. Again, just a guess, but this appears to be how they can emulate volatility found in class III games.
Unfortunately there's not a lot of details known about how the bingo game works, at least in fine detail. So there's some level of guess work involved based on what we do know and some things will just remain a mystery until more details come to light. I believe that mystery behind them is what gives them a bad rap when it really shouldn't. I personally believe the casinos would prefer players just see them as slots and ignore the fact they're playing bingo.
@@kevinb4079 agree with everything you said. There is a lot of mystery and Marc did a great job of explaining it all as best as he could.
I’m sure most people probably don’t care about it being bingo. But why disguise it as a slot? I guess because they know the general public will just assume they are slot machines and not that you are playing something completely different than a slot?
I just feel like if the class 2 machines were a little more transparent then the appeal of them would be more tolerable. With a class 3 I know I’m basically playing against a RNG, but with class 2, it’s just like ‘ here is a winning pattern…every now and then’
@@joshhammonds7145 I agree! The reality is that class II is just a way to get around state laws banning "gambling". In other words "we're not allowing gambling...we're just expanding bingo". You know....the same bingo they play at churches and such.
The white numbers are there so someone can win the competitive portion. To make it "bingo", they need to play until someone wins. Otherwise, it would just be a lottery. 3r9l cannot have the same patterns as 3r1l. They need a pattern to represent each possible win in the game, so the more lines and reels, the more patterns. It works just like class III, only the way they pick wins is different.
@@4jp I don’t know if there are that many similarities between them outside of the reels and something telling the machine what symbols should display when the button is pressed.
I mean, the class 2s I imagine wouldn’t have a RTP right? Plus no volatility. And the big one being that class 2 is peer v peer while class 3 is you vs the machine.
Bingo vs Keno. Why does Keno get such a bad rap?
The problem I have with class II machines is this. Where I live gambling is not legal EXCEPT for a certain indian tribe is allowed to open a so-called casino with class II gambling only. The rub is, there is no gaming commission in our state, so there are no rules, no oversight, no enforcement. You get the idea. From where I'm from, they are just a complete money suck.
That’s not true, each tribe has a gaming commissioner- it’s required. There is oversight.
I've only seen 1 class 2 machine and it was at Red Earth Casino in the non smoking room Was interesting to play.