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- Mark and Jim surprise attack Ryan Muckenhirn with the 7x64. Wait, that came out wrong. Ryan is OK…. We invite Ryan to chat with us about the popular-in-Europe 7x64, but don’t let him know the topic at hand until we begin recording. That should clear things up. A listener request, this interesting 7mm cartridge will make quick work of most critters. Listen in to get Ryan’s take on it, as well as hear Jim somehow weave in a challenge to all of Europe. Thanks a lot, Jim.
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Here in South Africa we tend to have a very sweet spot for the 7mm bore diameter with regards to the 7x57 and more over the 7x64 of late. With so much history dating back to the Anglo-Boer war, the Boers used the Mauser 98 chambered in 7x57 to great extend and effectiveness over the British Lee-Enfield .303. The 7x57 was used by the Boers for basically everything, from fighting wars to putting food on the table to protecting against wild animals like leopards, lions, elephants, buffalo, hippos, you name it. Today it is still considered to be a very fine and capable cartridge that can take down just about every game specie outside dangerous game here. From thick bushveld hunting with 175gr thumpers to open plains game with 140gr bullets, the 7x64 can and will do it as Ryan said "modestly" without being overly destructive. As with .30 caliber bore also being very popular here, it doesn't hit home like the 7mm's do as it is common here to hunt big game with a smaller caliber. .222-50 and .243 frequently put some big game on the dinner tables here.
A little history of the 7x64, the 7x64 Brenneke was designed by Wilhelm Brenneke as a possible replacement cartridge for the German Empire during WW 1. Unfortunately for the Germans, the war ended before Brenneke's design could take hold and had to be left aside until the outbreak of WW 2 where he presented his design to the Nazi military command as a replacement to the 8x57 as it was ballisticly superior to the 8x57. The Nazi Military command kept with the 8x57 as their standard military issue and Brenneke's design had be side shelved again until the end of the war.
After WW 2, military cartridges were deemed illegal for civilian possession as surplus military rifles were available at the time. The 7x64 was then introduced as a replacement option on the civilian market and quickly became one of the most popular calibers on the European continent as it's ballistic and terminal performance was superior to many other available calibers at the time.
It's a ballistic twin to the .280 Rem, a necked down 30-06 case with a slightly longer neck to accomodate the longer, more ballistic coefficient bullets that the .284 calibers offer with almost the same powder charge as from a 30-06 with less recoil and felt effort.
Just thought I'd babble a bit on this amazing cartridge. I absolutely have a love affair with 7mm bore diameter. I think my wife is jealous of that fact.🤣🤣
Thanks for the awesome work you guys put into your channel. Really enjoy the reviews. Keep up the good work.
Greeting from South Africa🇿🇦
Keep fighting the good fight down there in K-Uger land! (Seinfeld reference)
Sounds like one of those old time cart horns..... K-UUUUGER.... K-UUUUGER.... 😅😅😅 thanks a lot for the support. Same to you folks up there. We all in the same boat somehow.
Love mine too.
Ryan righted himself, but the 7x64 is closer to the 280 Rem than the 7mm rem mag. It’s very close dimensionally to the 280 as well.
I bought a Sako 85 Bavarian in it and I can’t tell a difference in performance between my 280 rem 700 mtn rifle. Both are very balanced rounds
Speer state in their loading manual that both cartridges are so similar that load data can be used interchangeably.
@@infantilepillock1687 so does Hornady
I only knew this off of top of my head because an old buddy was a .280 REM madman! .280 is actually 7x64.5mm, load data as mentioned is interchangeable. I also found it funny that Ryan said 1957 for the 7x64 when that's actually the .280's birth year! haha it took Remington 40 years to try and re-invent the wheel.
9.3x62 another great european round. Arguable the most underrated round ever. Works great on everything from deer to elephant
Damn fine for wild (or domesticated) hogs :) Gotta say I can't think of many people who own one but those that do swear by them. If the 35 Whelen and 350 Rem Mag are just going to die here in the states anyway I'd really love for Tikka, Sauer, Steyr, etc. to bring more 9.3's into the US market.
I have a single shot 9,3x74R ... kicks like a mule ^^
never shot a 9,3x62 thow
@@mrd7341 it's about like shooting a hot 30-06 load.
It's difficult to get .366 bullets for it though. Usually too stout for most north american game.
The 7x64 and the 7x65R were developed parallel. All around great rounds delivering top performance. Descendants of the 8x64 S Brenneke and the 8x65 RS. I own both the 7x64 and 8x64 S and simply love them, because they never let med down.
How about the 8x68S, the "German Magnum"? An older round, with a pretty modern design.
That would be interesting!!
I have one in a Mauser 77 and i love it and yes you should not have it in a light Rifle 😜 i know someone who have a second Barrel for a Blaser R8 Carbon 😀 he is not so happy
Mine is actually loaded with a 180gn Peregrine VLR4 Leadfree Bullet which leaves the Barrel with 3238 ft/s it is an absolut Hammer and yes way to much for normal Hunting but for Big Wildboar or Red Stag in the Rut it is the Medicine or for Plains Game in Africa long Shots in the Highlands or the Alps .... it deliveres nearly the same energy as a 375 H&H with better BC Bullets so it would have no Problem up to a Cape Buffalo but it is not legal in most Countrys
Any Schüler round would be good to see
Came here to say this. Can't do the 7x64B without talking about the 8x68S.
@@Spruce-Bug Brenneckes 8mm would be the 8x64S the 8x68S is not from Brennecke it is from Andreas Schüler and a really different case the 8x64 is the same Case the 7x64 has the 8x68S is on another Level
"just thought I'd kick the hornet's nest there" Mark cracks me up! 😂😂😂
European here, everyone around here is using the 7x64 for years. They just love it. The only "issue" is the need of a long barrel, with a can it is a pretty long rig.
Also, bullets used often do not have high BCs exactly
@@borkwoof696 in Fabricloads yes but 7x64 is simple to Reload and you can choose your Bullets from the whole shelf of 7mm 284 which is in Europe the same as 30cal you have the whole variety of all Manufacturers
Mine is actually loaded for Hunting with a 140gn Peregrine VLR4 which has a BC of .498 which is good for a Hunting Bullet
With the wright Choice of Powder a 56cm Barrel is no Problem for the 7x64 for Handloaders
Yes you allways loose some m/s in shorter Barrels but with other Powder Selection you can compensate much of the loss and have 100% Burnratio
I had the best Results with Reload Swiss Powders RS60 or RS52 should do the Job in 7x64
Hi Gents, thanks for this review, I live out here in South Africa and my CZ 7x64 is my go to hunting rifle out here in South Africa, I have used it to hunt everything from the small Duiker up to and including Eland.
It is real easy to reload the cartridge and will group anything from 140gr up, in my case, 162gr. My entire family, wife, both sons and daughter in law have used this rifle to bag their first animals. The rifle is great at distance and pretty flat shooting out to 500yards.
It has a great following out here in South Africa and I really hope we could get some reloading DOPE from folks from Hodgon, Nosler etc.
Thanks again guys, 7x64 not only in Europe but great here in South Africa
I think the closer comparison to the 7x64 would be the nearly identical .280 REM.
The 7x64 has a faster twist and velocity is closer to the rem mag compared to the 280
I totally agree with you, Matt. I am from Spain and I reload the 7x64. The most accurate comparison should be the .280 Rem
Yip, 280 Rem, not 7mm Rem Mag. Ryan was just put on the spot there.
Gotta say, 6.5 Grendel in an 18-20” barrel is a handy little rifle for deer to 300, pronghorn to 400. But I love me some 243 Win! It works for lots of things!
7x64 is in Europe is the equivalent of your '06 in terms of versatility with bullet from 120 to 177 grs. What would be interesting for you guys is to investigate the Schuler cartridges. 6.5 and 8x68 were the joy of mountain hunters in the Alps, so they might work on the Rockies as well.
The 6,5x68 is for the Alps and Highlands the 8x68s is for Plains Game and enthusiasts 😜 I love mine and yes it works in the Alps as well with the lighter Side of the Bullets
And yes they would Work great in the Rockeys for Sheep or for long Shot Countrys on Elk and so on
@@lenzadlberger weidmannsheil!
Oooo…6.5x68… intriguing!
@@dr.froghopper6711 it is a Beast and harder to Reload than the 8x68 same Case but the 6.5 is known for far shorter Barrellife and Brasslife .... my dad had a Steyr Mannlicher it was fast as Lightning and you doesnt have to think about Bulletdrop in the Alps on Chamoi 300 Meter shoot up or down the Hill hold on the same place where you would go for a 100m Shot in normal Terrain
My First Chamois Was on 320 Meter with his Steyr before the shot i have Asked him where i should hold for the shot he only said to me go in the middle of the chest it was Spot on with the Shot it was up the Hill in the Mountains
The Rimmed Version ist a bit different cause it is a 7x65R
The 7x64 is more the 280 Rem. Normally the 7x64 is really versatile from Roe to Moose no Problem and most Rifles handle up to 177gn Bullets and it has no Belt it is easy to Reload and like a 30.06 or 270Win no Problems Brass and Fabric Ammo is everywhere available
Yep. 7 Rem Mag has a greater case capacity than both the 280 Rem and the 7x.64, but 280 rem and 7x64 are about as close to one another as two cartridges can get. I would really like to see Ryan discuss the 280 Remington. I own a 280 Remington and love it. Great all-around North American game cartridge.
7x64mm is not a popular cartridge in Finland but some use it for sure.
Here the most popular ones are .308 Win and 9,3x62mm for moose and whitetails. A lot of people use other ones as well but those two are the big ones.
For smaller game there's a lot more diversity, .222 is widely used for grouse and everything between that and .308 is good for roe deer.
Distances are rarely over 150 meters except for birds. Very dense forest and limited visibility so ballistic performance is not a big deal.
I would say the top 5 for big game are these:
#1 .308 Winchester
#2 9,3x62mm
#3 6,5x55 Swedish
#4 .30-06
#5 7x57 or 8x57
We need a video on 8x57J/JS! Great stuff guys 👍
Yes
up you go
The three of you always just crack me up! Always entertaining and usually educating, keep em' coming :)
Whenever you guys go back to old American hunting cartridges, I have three suggestions:
250 Savage- first smokeless cartridge to hit 3000fps, and the parent case of the 22-250 Remington. Originally offered in the Savage 99 and Savage 1920.
300 Savage- First attempt at equaling the 30-06 in a short action, and the inspiration (or parent case) of the 308 Winchester. Originally offered in the savage 99 and savage 1920.
400 Whelen- wildcat by Townsend Whelen, a 30-06 necked up to use 405 Winchester bullets. Use 30-06 basic cases or 35 Whelen cases. Using normal 30-06 cases will result in headspace issues (from what I’ve read). From what I can find, only ever offered in custom Griffin and Howe rifles.
Big fan of this cartridge. I’d love to see a video of a 9.3x62/9.3x74r or a 300 Norma. Big fan of the cartridge talk by the way 👍🏽
Just back from Hungary stalking fallow deer, taking three over the shooting sticks using my Mannlicher Schönauer carbine in 6,5x54MS. 46cm {18"} barrel. Pre 1923 manufacturing, with a 70s Swarovski Habicht 2,3-9x42 scope. Hemmingway wrote about this rifle and it has near legendary status. I chose it as both components were made just kilometers away from were I am from. Yes, we use a lot more conservative cartridges and our guns are often old, handmade and in comparison very expensive. However, less modular, budget friendly and so it is a little less fun in some ways. Hunting here is an elite sport but also a very old cultural aspect with tons of customs and traditions attached. Hunting licenses take months to pass and trophy fees apply. That's due to history and population density. Also, our game is scarce sometimes and often much smaller than in North America so a 7x57 {with is a military round} or 6,5x68, 6,5x54,.243 etc does it pretty much across the board. Also, our optics are the finest in the world, our game is small and we have lots of traditions against things like shooting bedded game etc so I dare to say we emphasise on precision out to 300 yards and that's where we traditionally put our limit... For the most part.
Cheers from Austria
Think you guys could do the 7 SAUM at some point?
Is the 300 savage the .30 cal version of the 6.5 creedmore? Can you load some of the longer heavier pills without losing case capacity like the .308? Is 30 degree shoulder kind of the sweet spot across the board for the most efficient bullet to start with if you are getting started with precision and reloading?
Great review
I have the 7x64 in a new steyr clii
It is an extremely accurate cartridge
Velocities I've obtained so far are 2725 w/ 162 gr hornady and 2800 w/ 145 gr speer. 2750 w/ 150 gr nosler
Case capacity is lower than the 270 win by a couple grains
The brenneke is moderate for sure., but it makes it up with extreme accuracy.
I love the cartridges and the steyr. I highly recommended the package for those looking for something special.
I would love to hear you discuss the 9.3x64 Brenneke.
Greetings from 🇷🇸
7x64 with barrel 24 inches and 140gr bullets is for small to medium game and with 175gr bullets is for big game hunting (wild boars in Balkan countries are very big, males are 300-400 pounds). And 7x64 have very mild recoil equal to 308 but the energy of 7 Remington Magnum. So, the popularity of 7x64mm is in 7 pounds rifle, soft in shoulder, long range capable and lot of knock down power 😉
Pozdrav drug, sta mislis kako bi radio iz cijevi od 57cm
Danish listener here... (Jimmy, you know the small awesome country, north of Germany, that used to be vikings 😉)
do a Europe vs US huntingtradition, rifle, cartridge, law comparison. That would be fun!
One of the most obvious differences I see in Europe, is that we use wooden furniture rifles, like Sauer 202 ect, and classic break action shotguns (side by side and over and under).
We don't use a lot of "Black guns" like ARs for hunting.... it isn't well seen upon.
And there is a lot of optic snobbery... Zeiss, Khales, Pecar, Smidt & Bendner scopes being huge over here...
I like the idea of a duel. They pick a cartridge and we pick a comparable one and compare them out to 1000 yards. Then we pick one and they pick one of theirs and we go back and forth until we go thru most of the cartridges.
What's your thoughts on the 6.5x284 Norma?
Love this guys!! Now it's time for the talk on the 7.82 Lazzaroni Warbird!!! Coolest named cartridge on the planet.
British here 🇬🇧🏴
I’ve shot the 7 x 64 Brennecke at driven wild boar in Croatia in the winter.The 7 x 64 is a cartridge that is in between a .270 and a 3006. It has the fast flat trajectory of a 270 Winchester and the thump of a 3006.
I would not put it up there as far as a 7 mm Remington Magnum but more the 3006. And yes it is very popular among mainland Europe, not as much in Britain but mainland Europe it most certainly is, I think it is the preferred cartridge as it will take any European game.
I speculate on this next point but I think it was made 7mm because the legal calibre requirement for shooting certain game in Germany was 7 mm and the only 7 mm I know that existed I believe during the last century was the 7 x 57 mm Mauser, so basically Brenneke gave it a bigger explosive charge for the same bullet. It, the 7x64 may have been used in ww2, i did read an article about it online but I can’t remember if it was or not.
The Minimum Caliber on Fellow Deer, Red Stag, Wildboar and Chamois in Germany is 6.5 with a minimum of 2000 Joule of Energy at 100 Meter. The 7x64 was created cause it was easy to fit in a regualar Mauser 98 System where the 7x57 and 8x57 has left room open.
The 7x64 is nowadays most popular in France cause it is no Military Cartridge (they are not allowed to have Military Related Cartridges in Privat use) the 7x64 is for Continental Europe the same as 30.06 for American with the same punch. It fits perfectly between 270 and 30.06 and can handle every living Animal in Europe with good Balistics an manageable Recoil. The cases of 270 / 06 and 7x64 are the same with different Bulletdiameter. The 7x64 is more versatile than the 270 cause of the variety of Bulletweights available for 284dia is much more than for 277
P.s. it was not used bye the Military Brennecke designed it for the Military not only for Hunting as Sniper Round but it was not adopted
How about talking about the 10.3s like the 10.3x60 and it’s newer sibling like the 10.3x68.
In a region of Switzerland the minimal caliber permitted is the 10.2 but the majority use the 10.3x60.
Would de something different 😉
Ground beef is to be found in every supermarket in Europe, in large quantities !
Can you please talk about 25-45 Sharps, Please !?
Still would love to hear about the 25-35! My grandpa had an 1890s 25-35 lever action. When I was cleaning out my house, I found decades old cartridges hidden behind a lip around some wall trim, clearly somewhere the kids wouldn't look but he could quickly grab from!
I have one in a old Zastava Mauser 98 style rifle. 7 x64 Brenneke is the best all around cartridge. It is the most popular caliber in Europe. Flat shooting wide range of bullet weights available.
In South Africa you also find the most hunters on the Modest Cartridge size side. Theres also very few animals that won't fall over with a .270 - .308 that is affordable for the average Joe Hunter. Even an Eland will reliably expire on a regular .308win or 30-06.
Yes please. Not a duel, a compare and contrast. The last frackus we had with our European friends was a little shindig they threw back in the '40s.
I believe the sharp and hart is the 7x61 based on the 30-06 case. That would be another interesting one to see a show on.
Great work as always guys!
The 7x61 S&H is a belted magnum case with a capacity very similar to a 7WSM.
I found it interesting that this round has a rimmed version. I always think of lever gun calibers when I think of rimmed cartridges. Could the 7x64 be put in a lever gun?
Theoretically, probably yes. The 1895 Winchester was chambered in 30-06, which is 7.62×63mm. It would have to be a custom job... though.
It´s very intressting discussion, especially what Ryan mention regarding European calibers. I´m located in Sweden, and shoot over 40 moose and hundreds of Wildboar, fallowdeer, Stags and so on, most taken by 6.5x55SE, some by 8x57IS and some with 7x64. The calibers is diffrent in the sence of speed. Great podacast
In Europe also popular are: 9,3x62Mauser
9,3x74R
And the relativ new 8,5x55Blaser, it has interesting performance with relatively short Barrels and its well to suppresse.
Nice greetings from Germany
The 8.5x55 Blaser looks like the round that Winchester should have made instead of the .325 WSM or Remington should have made as a short action ultra magnum (SAUM). It’s very similar to a WSM or SAUM case and .338 (8.58mm) rounds sell a lot better than .323 (8.2mm) rounds in the U.S. and Canada. My guess would be that Winchester didn’t want to compete with its existing .338 Winchester Magnum and Remington has had a history of terrible implementation of some really good concepts.
@@dg20120 in Germany. 338=8,5 don't sell as good as the 8mm's(. 323)... If you shoot a 8mm in Germany and you like to step up in diameter you end up with a 9,3.
In Switzerland the 10,3x68Mangum is also popular, but that's a heavy hiter.... For normal European Game you don't need that much power...
@@pt8750
That 10.3x68 looks like it would thump pretty hard. It’s similar to the.416 Rigby, .416 Remington, or .416 Taylor. A while back, there was a CZ in 9.3x62 at a shop near me. It was marked down $100 because no one knew what it was. I should have bought it.
I have a 7x64 (Sako 75) here in New Zealand, hard to get ammo sometimes, works well though.
I know it's not remotely common, but I want to see one on 375 Cheytac.
I would like a cartridge comparison with the 8 mm Remington mag. I think that cartridge is way underrated. And because of marketing it just didn't even go anywhere. Thanks for your time
Isn't amazing what a little (a lot) of marketing will do? Isn't that right, Hornady? I wish Remington's 7SAUM would have had 1/2 the marketing and 1/10th the success of the Creedmoor.
7x64 brenneke sits between the 270 Win and the 30-06
You have the flat trajectory of the 270 Win but the knockdown power of the 30-06
270 Win 2700 - 2900 ft/lbs
7x64 Bren 2088-3000 ft/lbs
30-06 2900-3200 ft/lbs
Having shot this cartridge on large driven wild boar in Croatia I can tell you it’s exactly as I described. The best of both, right in the middle. Even the recoil. Excellent cartridge.
Dropped all boar in one shot and those boar in europe ain’t small !!!
The cartridge was originally developed as a replacement for the German army during ww2 as a newer 8mm with different ballistics to outperform their 8x57 that was standard issue, especially for their snipers. It was to hold flatter & faster at longer ranges. But due to logistics and the fact everyone had rifles already chambered for the 8x57 the Germans never adopted it.
Later, Brenneke would neck down that new design down to 7mm, enter the 7x64 Brenneke which even though was never issued to the military gained massive popularity in Europe, hence why it is Europe’s most favoured cartridge.
It is also popular in Europe because it is legal to use in countries where military issues rounds are illegal to hunt with because it has never been issued to any military !
.243 is the king here in the UK... I shoot a 6.5PRC and consistently get asked why I use "so much gun".
Love the 243 it is like hitting game with lightening very underrated cartridge …
With the right bullet and an ethical, experienced hunter, the 243 Win is plenty for lots of game. It’s legal for elk hunting in New Mexico. While I would advise more for such a large, tough animal, there’s no doubt that a well placed 243 can get the animal down and dead! I haven’t utilized the solid copper or bonded bullets, I’m convinced that a Swift A-Frame or Nosler Partition would drive deep enough and expand sufficiently to cause mortal damage to an elk.
I have a 340wby almost the same as this right. I'm not sure cause there was not a 10 min talk yet 🤔
Just purchased a CZ 557 in 7X64 here in South Africa. Great cartridge. 7mm .30-06 aka 280 Rem.
A cartridge that comes with a lot of interesting stories is the Martini Henry. There's a few caliber options for it but it has its place in European and African history (for good and bad) like our 45-70s and 30-30s. Both being conquerers of continents
would love to hear about another European cartridge namely the 10.3x68
what is the ideal barrel length for a 7x64?
Speaking of 7 Rem Mag, when are we getting an episode?
The suppressors or silencers are not allowed in Spain.
Spain is a good Hunting Paradise.
Thanks for your fantastics podcasts.
Bring on the big guns, already asked but 416 rigby, 458 Lott, and the various Nitro express calibres, I am certain I’ll never fire any of them let alone own one but they’re intriguing nonetheless. 👍🏻
It’s not quite to a 7mm RM, but is essentially a .280 Rem equivalent. In fact, the two are extremely similar in dimensions. The sharper shoulder of the 7x64 makes it just barely outperform the .280 in an equivalent barrel length. Both are excellent and date I say some of the best.
Guys, it's a bit slower than the 7 rem mag. It's between the Remington and the 270. Win.
It's very versatile from fox to red deer.
Have you done 7.5 Swiss or 17 and 22 hornet
I would love to hear Ryan's wealth of knowledge on the .458 SOCOM. It is just so much fun to shoot and it is what got me started on my reloading ventures.
I got into reloading my 458 SOCOM after seeing how loaded my wallet needed to be to buy ammo. LOL
Ryan I met you at the outdoor show and spoke about owning this in a Sako. Great cartridge that I've hunted with for years. Able to load 120 to 177 with ease. Components are fairly easy to come by and inexpensive along with ammo as well. The only issue is the limited load data available. The tapered case allows it to load very smoothly. If you come across one, don't hesitate to buy it. Also, check out the 8x64, 9.3x64, and the bullets Mr. Brenneke invented. Decades ahead of his time.
Yall ever gonna do 458 socom or 50 beowulf?
How about an episode on 6.5mm-Carcano? The JFK Magic bullet…
7x61 Sharpe & Hart Magnum developed by famed shooter, ballistician etc Phil Sharpe and Dick Hart in early 1950's. Based on 300 H&H case. Much closer to 7mag than the 7x64. Capable of 2900 fps with a 175 grain bullet. First chambered commercially by Schultz and Larsen in their bolt guns around 1953. In "normal" times brass and dies still available. I foolishly passed up a set of dies a few years ago. Cases can be fire formed from 300 H&H. You might still be able to find some factory loads, maybe from Norma, but I'm not sure. I have no burning desire to own a 7 Rem Mag but now I'll have to put the 7x61 on my "want it just to have one" list along with 257 Roberts and 9.3x62 Mauser. I've already got both of those in progress. Happy hunting boys and girls!😄
Very nice gentlemen. There's a little cartridge you may have heard about; the 25 Creedmoor. You may want to do a video on it.
The Wehrmacht wanted to adopt the 7x64mm Brenneke as a sniper round in 1935, but it was decided that the 7.92x57mm Mauser had good enough performances and they didn't want to change calibers for logistical reasons as well.
Ah, The Three Musketeers! My 3 favorite guys from Vortex!
You mention Europeans shoot short, handy rifles. What size barrel length is popular/common over there?
If you think Blazer are good, take a look at Strasser Rifles.
I also think you should have a talk about the 9.3x62.
You could hunt anything anywhere and never be over or under gunned.
Love the show. Please do not ever stop getting off topic and going way over time.
The advantage of the 7x64 over the 280 right now is ammo cost. Ammo inflation has hit the european calibers a lot less. Picking these calibers that are produced by S&B, PPU, and Norma will save you some money. 280 running about $1.75 or more a round. 7x64 will run less than $1
Y'all have to do a 10 minute talk on the 45-70 Auto!!!
Shorter rifles are preferable in Europe because they swing somewhat easy for action shooting on driven wild boar, but would also be handy in a tight highseat with shots usually inside 150 meters! Cheers!
Hey Vortex, would really love to hear a valid argument-sans the usual muzzle velocity yada yada-to convince me that I need more than 20” barrel length for ethical hunting distances, say maximum 400 yards. Puh-leeeeze? I’m in a wheelchair and long barrels suck! Body mechanics for shooting are really different!
10:00 of course! As long as Alaska is near to South Dakota 😂
I hunt hooved mammals almost exclusively with the 7x64. It is an excellent medium bore chambering that I’ve used on everything from feral hogs to Whitetail to Rocky Mountain elk (wapiti). I chose the 7x64 because I was interested in a 280 class rifle but the German rifles I prefer don’t chamber 280 - they all chamber 7x64 so there’s no need. And I had seen it in action in Europe. I’ve used it for years past and will use it for many years to come.
You guys need to do one on 338-06. Ryan would like the performance for big stuff just like the 338wm with out the recoil punch.
I mean the last cartridges we fought with Europeans on this side of the world were the 7mm Mauser and the 30-40 Krag.
Why are you saying it’s the German 7mm Rem Mag, isn’t it almost similar to the .270 Win?
Maybe a video on barrel twist. The newer 1:8 ish Vs the traditional 1:10 ish. Bullet weight and b.c. related to twist...
The forgotten US small game cartridges still popular in europe, 22hornet, 5,6*52r/22Savage, 6,5*52r/25-35w, 222r.
Something that we've got... 458 win mag all the things!!!!!!
408 cheytac ! Great videos guys.
The classic 300 win mag deserves a turn!
to get 7mmMag velocities one has to load 120gr booleets. the 7x64 Brenicke compares most favorably to the 280 with 140gr and most favorably to the .308 with 150grs.
I managed to find a mannlicher schoenauer GK in 7x64 Brenneke, it's probably one of the finest guns i've ever shot. It's a shame steyr doesn't make those actions anymore.
Brenneke designed it for the Mauser 98, came maybe 10 years before the .270 Win, ballistically equal. Maybe you loose 10% speed vs the 7mm rem mag. but you can get a normal length action for this. It has light weight bullets for roe and long and heavy bullets for moose and red stag and with very high sectional density. so if you want a do it all , it is cheap and perfect. maybe not so good for extrem short barrels like a 308 Win or a 9,3x62 or 8x57.. and the recoil is managble for all hunters... really a great to it all, came in rimless for drilling, double rifle... 7x65r and great for reloading.. , was in preperation for the sniping k98k in ww2, but for logistic reasons came not...
Maybe you guys could compare the amount of huntable species between continents or the similarities between species and which cartridges you do use with American to European to accomplish the same goal
Let’s get the 7 SAUM.
Also popular here is South Africa and there is a 9,3x64 Brenneke as well , compares to the 9.3x62 Mauser
Mark and Jim please do a 10 minute talk on the good 'ol .30-40 Krag. Ryan does like .30-40!
Please do a video on the 6.5x54mm Mannlicher Schoenauer
Yet another great show..
I want to hear about the 300 Win mag and the 7mm Rem Mag. I know Ryan loves the 7mm mag!
The 280Rem is a good comparison which is just slightly more powerful.
It should be pointed out that the chamber dimensions of European classic rifles often show a longer cone. This is due to the typical round nose bullets that have often been used.
In my 7x64 Mauser rifle I am struggeling to get better than MOA precision with modern bullets.
A lot saying it’s more similar to a 280 which is wrong the 7x64 will fling a 140gr about 200fps fast and will usually be in a twist rate faster then the 280
In that weight of bullet it will be only be 50-100 fos slower then a rem mag
Yes, the 7x 64 case is basically the same as the 280 not the 7mm rem mag 🤦🏻♂️. Come on, I thought you were suppose to be an expert....
I would believe the 7x64 stems from the legendary 7x57 and as such is somewhat the ancestor to the 30-06.
It is the role-model for the 270Win.
Closest today is probably the 280 Rem
Another cool cartridge but i can’t say it’s cooler than a 10mm auto witch should be a 10 minute talk someday 10minutes for 10mm
Love to hear Ryans thoights on the 9,3 x by 62&63.
List of most populair PRS cartridges. EU VS USA
6,5x55, 308 Norma mag (7.62×65mmBR) , 9,3x57 really underated and way to low max preasure in all handload manuals.
Well it wouldn't be the first european cartridge to have lower pressure ratings overseas. No issues pushing it past 3000ftlbs well within CIP specs especially as a handloader
Not sure if the specs are comparable but some cartridges seem neutered over at SAAMI places :)
Let’s chat about the .358 Norma Mag!
It is more equivalent to your 280 rem and it was intended to be a german (sniper) military cartridge (but never was). Brenneke also designed the hunting bullet for that cartridge (TIG/TUG) which haven't high BC but are long and heavy. Hence the long free-bore and gentle angle of the junction cone.
Yeah, he went back and said that after he realized it.
Thanks for the info on the history of it. That's real interesting
One of the most balansed cartridges their is!
"Im drawing blanks guys"yes you are ...infact your 280 rem is more alike!