Totally agree, been a big fan of McLaren my whole life. I just hope they either turn things around or gets acquired by someone like BMW or Mercedes. But who knows, at one time ferrari was also down financially and has been recovering especially after the release of the purosangue
I own a 720s and it’s the best super car I have ever owned. The Artura has been getting excellent reviews from professional journalists and the 765 is selling for well above its retail price. McLaren will not go bankrupt IMO as the brand and its cars are superb after solving the problems associated with the early cars.
Amazing, the 720s is a dream car, as you can see from my profile picture the 765lt is my dream car. But yeah I don't think the company will go out of business, but it may file for bankruptcy and sell off some of their assets, like they did with their HQ and when they laid off some of their employees, unless they get more money from either the Artura, an investor or the Bahrain royal family. I truly hope they don't though, im a huge fan of their cars and F1 team and I hope to one day be driving a McLaren like a you.
@@lets-talk-carsgiving a 30-40k discount they are still making a ton of money. No way are they losing money on every car. These cars don’t cost anywhere near $350k to make. That’s just stupid talk. Lucky to cost half that.
as a Ferrari fan I really hope that McLaren can stay in F1 because I want to see Ferrari against McLaren again. I think it would be great if BMW would help them as BMW already owns a few British car brands and they have already produced one of the best supercars of all time together, the McLaren F1.
I agree. As a McLaren fan, I would love to see McLaren keep going in F1 and reach the top 3. I think it would be awesome if BMW or Mercedes helped them out since both have done collabs with McLaren. But I feel like that's unlikely; maybe a bigger group like VW could be a possibility, or a different investment firm.
Good video. Strange really. You're telling me about the possible collapse of Mclaren, while showing me some of the best footage (outside of their production plant) that I have ever seen.
Formula One is killing McLaren. McLaren is a brilliant company that makes some of the finest cars in the world. It needs to stop the financial bleeding in Formula One by getting out of the sport. Formula One is so horrifically expensive to race in now only true multibillion manufacturers making money independent of the sport can afford to race in it. I hope the brilliance that is McLaren is saved by people looking at the balance sheet and realizing that the brand and those brilliant hardworking people in it are more important than feeding an increasingly impossible to afford to race in motor sport.
True, I think McLaren spend $140M last year on formula one. But I also feel like F1 is a huge part of their branding and their success. When driving McLaren you can also feel that it is optimized more for performance rather than comfort which I think goes back to the F1 branding, that might also make them loose sales because the average rich guy will probably choose a more comfortable car that looks flashy like a Lamborghini instead of a performance car like a McLaren. Idk I want to see McLaren succeed in both places as I'm a a huge fan of their F1 team and their road cars. But I do think if it comes down to it they are going to cut their F1 team before going out of business
@@lets-talk-cars I get the branding, but I think McLaren is on the hook for way more then 140 million a year to Formula One. That sport has lost its mind on how expensive the cars are to produce and operate. McLaren is a company that deserves to survive whatever that takes. The world laughs at the British for how bad their cars are but nobody laughs at McLaren. British brilliance in engineering, design and execution. McLaren deserves to survive and prosper. F1 or no F1.
I completely agree, and yeah it has become stupid expensive. Even though I'm a fan of their F1 team I will much rather see it succeed as a car manufacturer
@@lets-talk-cars Agreed. McLaren and all the fantastic people who work there deserve to keep working at one of the most brilliant BRITISH car firms ever in existence.
Ever since Ron Dennis left it seems they've slowly gone downhill. So if they do go bankrupt I would imagine there would be some pretty heavy deflationary pressure on their used models. Would be interested to hear other people's opinions.
Yeah I haven't really thought about that, but I guess I do see somewhat of a connection between Ron Dennis and the slow demise of McLaren. I think that if McLaren were to go bankrupt, the prices of all of their models would sky rocket since McLaren are known for their performance and impressive history and when people won't be able to get them no more I think the demand will be higher than the supply.
Yeah I mean Williams performance in this season wasn't good at all. But atleast they only focus on F1 they don't have costs outside of F1 like McLaren does.
I would say yes. The creation of the artura is a prime example, they are trying to hype it up because they know they are taking steps backwards. Also because of the new carbon emissions they are converting to a v6 which will loose a lot of fans because it doesnt sound as raw, nor does it look like a mclaren. Artura is a prime example of mclaren going the wrong way
Personally I have nothing against the Artura, I still think it looks like a McLaren and it doesn't sound terrible either in my opinion. I would much rather prefer the Artura over a full electric McLaren. But yeah they are definitely hyping it up, it doesn't even seem like it is working I am not seeing many people talk about the Artura. This could be because customers haven't yet received their cars, but still a lot more people are talking about the Ferrari 296 gtb compared to the Artura.
@@lets-talk-cars Agreeable..Tbh it sounds good for a v6, but doesnt sound nearly as good as a 570, 600, 720, or a 765, which are near its performance. Nor does it look as sharp, looks more like a c8 than a mclaren to be honest. But yah, its just one step close to fully eletric, which is due to the carbon emission regulations and subsidies from the government to convert eletric. In my opinion will destroy a good majority of the car community.
I can definitely see what you mean. And yeah unfortunately we are getting closer to fully electric cars which is sad. But I have heard that porsche is investing heavily in hydrogen fuel and from what I have heard you can't hear or tell the difference between a car run on hydrogen and fossil fuels besides the fact that hydrogen is zero-carbon fuel. So I hope this works out because that would be amazing.
@@lets-talk-cars People have made water fueled engines already, they just all go missing. Even if porsche did find a way for hydrogen fueling to be used, I doubt they would release it as the government would be affected negatively as a huge part of the income comes from the fossil fuel industry, nor do any current governments really put funding into it. Just hope they dont ban carbon emitted cars from driving on the street as they are starting to do in places like london, it would be a dream someday to own a 765 lt
I have heard about the water fuel stories. But this thing with porsche seems more like a possibility. Porsche themselves have came out and said that they have "started commercial production of the alternative fuel in chile. By mid-decade, Porsche is planning to produce millions of gallons of the e-fuel." An cnbc article went more in depth about this topic. But regarding banning fossil fuel cars, that have already started happening. Like you said, also other major cities like Copenhagen have zero carbon emission zones where it's illegal to drive if your car's carbon emission is at a certain level. And I agree with you this is sad, I also want to own an 765lt one day as you can see in my profile picture, but my hope is in Germany because they recently rejected EUs plan for banning fossil fuel cars.
I don't have knowledge about them giving free cars to influencers, but I could see it happening, but then again, that's also quite stupid from a business standpoint since the ROI would be minimal. If they have done that to a lot of influencers, then yes, that is most likely a huge reason. I will agree with you that the quality of their cars isn't on the same level as Porsche, Ferrari, or Lamborghini; however, I think that when you buy a McLaren, you do it for the performance, and that is something McLaren can deliver on since the 765LT almost beats every single car on the 1/4 mile. But I feel like the performance aspect of the McLaren has kind of been taken away, and most people just talk about the bad quality, and that has definitely led to a loss in sales, as you said.
Tbh, I think Mclaren started wrong from the start. They should have remained simply in F1. They showed they can produce great cars, but their intention was simply to beat Ferrari in all fields and its proved not so easy. To run an F1 team and a business making and selling cars is a completely different world. Very sad, because its a great company, but they should have just concentrated on the F1 team.
Yeah true, F1 is after all the motorsport that is farthest away from real cars. However they have managed to create some notable road legal cars, they have tried their best. But yeah as sad as it is they either need to be purchased by someone with more experience in those fields to do both or choose either their F1 team or the business. But let's see what will happen to McLaren, I don't think they will go out without a fight.
Hold up, McLaren went bankrupt before in the 650 S days. McLaren is OIL MONEY, and the United Arab Emirates first, and now GULF OIL. They will be around as long as that partnership holds out.
Very true, I think it's the royal family of Bahrain who are major shareholders now. If a company goes bankrupt it doesn't mean that they go out of business, filing for bankruptcy gives the business time to change around their assets, so if McLaren were to go bankrupt now it would probably mean that their employees will be fired or that they will have to sell off their assets such as the F1 team. I don't think that the partnership is as strong as it sounds because then they wouldn't need to sell their HQ or their rare cars in order to survive. But that's just my opinion. I hope you are right because I would hate to see my favorite car brand exit F1 or go out of business.
I also find it hard to believe and I hope they don't. But they are in financial trouble and if they don't turn it around they will go bankrupt (remember bankruptcy doesn't necessarily mean they go out of business)
I'm more sad than surprised. Yeah McLaren isn't as luxurious or high quality as ferrari and Lamborghini but I feel like when you buy a McLaren you do so for the performance, and McLaren can definitely deliver good performance. More people just like comfort over performance and I get it, you can't really enjoy your McLaren unless you go on a track. A lot of rich people maybe like status more than the car so they buy the car that is more comfortable like a Lamborghini or ferrari
I agree. The performance is amazing, but reliability issues. Too many models introduced. They are clearly mostly hand built. They need better production engineering. Stabilize some of their designs.
I don't think bitcoin has a direct correlation; everything, surprising enough, went up during 2020-21: houses, stocks, cars, everything. I agree that the quality isn't amazing compared to a Lamborghini. Lamborghinis are comfortable, safe and reliable. McLarens are trying to kill you. But I feel like that's because McLaren is more of a performance car.
Yeah I definitely would complain if they did that. I think their f'ed because it feels like they made more a daily driver rather than a performance car and that isn't really McLarens image in my opinion.
What do you think is going to happen?
@panzer8638 Yes, indeed, maybe Tata Group or VW Group could also be possibilities.
Very true, I'm interested to see what will happen, they could also turn things around themselves.
Hoping the best for this legendary franchise. McLaren have always been one of my favorite supercars and I would hate to this company go away.
Totally agree, been a big fan of McLaren my whole life. I just hope they either turn things around or gets acquired by someone like BMW or Mercedes. But who knows, at one time ferrari was also down financially and has been recovering especially after the release of the purosangue
@@lets-talk-cars very true. Hopefully McLaren can turn things around.
I own a 720s and it’s the best super car I have ever owned.
The Artura has been getting excellent reviews from professional journalists and the 765 is selling for well above its retail price.
McLaren will not go bankrupt IMO as the brand and its cars are superb after solving the problems associated with the early cars.
Amazing, the 720s is a dream car, as you can see from my profile picture the 765lt is my dream car. But yeah I don't think the company will go out of business, but it may file for bankruptcy and sell off some of their assets, like they did with their HQ and when they laid off some of their employees, unless they get more money from either the Artura, an investor or the Bahrain royal family.
I truly hope they don't though, im a huge fan of their cars and F1 team and I hope to one day be driving a McLaren like a you.
@@lets-talk-carsgiving a 30-40k discount they are still making a ton of money. No way are they losing money on every car. These cars don’t cost anywhere near $350k to make. That’s just stupid talk. Lucky to cost half that.
as a Ferrari fan I really hope that McLaren can stay in F1 because I want to see Ferrari against McLaren again. I think it would be great if BMW would help them as BMW already owns a few British car brands and they have already produced one of the best supercars of all time together, the McLaren F1.
I agree. As a McLaren fan, I would love to see McLaren keep going in F1 and reach the top 3. I think it would be awesome if BMW or Mercedes helped them out since both have done collabs with McLaren. But I feel like that's unlikely; maybe a bigger group like VW could be a possibility, or a different investment firm.
Good video. Strange really. You're telling me about the possible collapse of Mclaren, while showing me some of the best footage (outside of their production plant) that I have ever seen.
Thank you. Ofcourse, I had to pick the best footage to make my favorite car brand look as good as possible 😀
Formula One is killing McLaren. McLaren is a brilliant company that makes some of the finest cars in the world. It needs to stop the financial bleeding in Formula One by getting out of the sport. Formula One is so horrifically expensive to race in now only true multibillion manufacturers making money independent of the sport can afford to race in it. I hope the brilliance that is McLaren is saved by people looking at the balance sheet and realizing that the brand and those brilliant hardworking people in it are more important than feeding an increasingly impossible to afford to race in motor sport.
True, I think McLaren spend $140M last year on formula one. But I also feel like F1 is a huge part of their branding and their success. When driving McLaren you can also feel that it is optimized more for performance rather than comfort which I think goes back to the F1 branding, that might also make them loose sales because the average rich guy will probably choose a more comfortable car that looks flashy like a Lamborghini instead of a performance car like a McLaren. Idk I want to see McLaren succeed in both places as I'm a a huge fan of their F1 team and their road cars. But I do think if it comes down to it they are going to cut their F1 team before going out of business
@@lets-talk-cars I get the branding, but I think McLaren is on the hook for way more then 140 million a year to Formula One. That sport has lost its mind on how expensive the cars are to produce and operate. McLaren is a company that deserves to survive whatever that takes. The world laughs at the British for how bad their cars are but nobody laughs at McLaren. British brilliance in engineering, design and execution. McLaren deserves to survive and prosper. F1 or no F1.
I completely agree, and yeah it has become stupid expensive. Even though I'm a fan of their F1 team I will much rather see it succeed as a car manufacturer
@@lets-talk-cars Agreed. McLaren and all the fantastic people who work there deserve to keep working at one of the most brilliant BRITISH car firms ever in existence.
Yes indeed! 🙌
Ever since Ron Dennis left it seems they've slowly gone downhill. So if they do go bankrupt I would imagine there would be some pretty heavy deflationary pressure on their used models. Would be interested to hear other people's opinions.
Yeah I haven't really thought about that, but I guess I do see somewhat of a connection between Ron Dennis and the slow demise of McLaren. I think that if McLaren were to go bankrupt, the prices of all of their models would sky rocket since McLaren are known for their performance and impressive history and when people won't be able to get them no more I think the demand will be higher than the supply.
McLaren going belly up before Williams would be shocking to say the least
Yeah I mean Williams performance in this season wasn't good at all. But atleast they only focus on F1 they don't have costs outside of F1 like McLaren does.
I would say yes. The creation of the artura is a prime example, they are trying to hype it up because they know they are taking steps backwards. Also because of the new carbon emissions they are converting to a v6 which will loose a lot of fans because it doesnt sound as raw, nor does it look like a mclaren. Artura is a prime example of mclaren going the wrong way
Personally I have nothing against the Artura, I still think it looks like a McLaren and it doesn't sound terrible either in my opinion. I would much rather prefer the Artura over a full electric McLaren. But yeah they are definitely hyping it up, it doesn't even seem like it is working I am not seeing many people talk about the Artura. This could be because customers haven't yet received their cars, but still a lot more people are talking about the Ferrari 296 gtb compared to the Artura.
@@lets-talk-cars Agreeable..Tbh it sounds good for a v6, but doesnt sound nearly as good as a 570, 600, 720, or a 765, which are near its performance. Nor does it look as sharp, looks more like a c8 than a mclaren to be honest.
But yah, its just one step close to fully eletric, which is due to the carbon emission regulations and subsidies from the government to convert eletric. In my opinion will destroy a good majority of the car community.
I can definitely see what you mean. And yeah unfortunately we are getting closer to fully electric cars which is sad.
But I have heard that porsche is investing heavily in hydrogen fuel and from what I have heard you can't hear or tell the difference between a car run on hydrogen and fossil fuels besides the fact that hydrogen is zero-carbon fuel. So I hope this works out because that would be amazing.
@@lets-talk-cars People have made water fueled engines already, they just all go missing. Even if porsche did find a way for hydrogen fueling to be used, I doubt they would release it as the government would be affected negatively as a huge part of the income comes from the fossil fuel industry, nor do any current governments really put funding into it.
Just hope they dont ban carbon emitted cars from driving on the street as they are starting to do in places like london, it would be a dream someday to own a 765 lt
I have heard about the water fuel stories. But this thing with porsche seems more like a possibility. Porsche themselves have came out and said that they have "started commercial production of the alternative fuel in chile. By mid-decade, Porsche is planning to produce millions of gallons of the e-fuel." An cnbc article went more in depth about this topic.
But regarding banning fossil fuel cars, that have already started happening. Like you said, also other major cities like Copenhagen have zero carbon emission zones where it's illegal to drive if your car's carbon emission is at a certain level. And I agree with you this is sad, I also want to own an 765lt one day as you can see in my profile picture, but my hope is in Germany because they recently rejected EUs plan for banning fossil fuel cars.
Poorly put together cars with shite after sales and warranty plus so many “free” cars to “influencers” leads to poor financial sucess
I don't have knowledge about them giving free cars to influencers, but I could see it happening, but then again, that's also quite stupid from a business standpoint since the ROI would be minimal. If they have done that to a lot of influencers, then yes, that is most likely a huge reason. I will agree with you that the quality of their cars isn't on the same level as Porsche, Ferrari, or Lamborghini; however, I think that when you buy a McLaren, you do it for the performance, and that is something McLaren can deliver on since the 765LT almost beats every single car on the 1/4 mile. But I feel like the performance aspect of the McLaren has kind of been taken away, and most people just talk about the bad quality, and that has definitely led to a loss in sales, as you said.
Tbh, I think Mclaren started wrong from the start. They should have remained simply in F1. They showed they can produce great cars, but their intention was simply to beat Ferrari in all fields and its proved not so easy.
To run an F1 team and a business making and selling cars is a completely different world. Very sad, because its a great company, but they should have just concentrated on the F1 team.
Yeah true, F1 is after all the motorsport that is farthest away from real cars. However they have managed to create some notable road legal cars, they have tried their best. But yeah as sad as it is they either need to be purchased by someone with more experience in those fields to do both or choose either their F1 team or the business. But let's see what will happen to McLaren, I don't think they will go out without a fight.
VW group do something lol
Yeah true
Mclaren better start making suvs if they want to survive 😂
I hope not, we need at least one supercar brand that only focuses on performance.
NOOOO NOT MCLAREN :CCC
My exact reaction when finding out about this
Hold up, McLaren went bankrupt before in the 650 S days. McLaren is OIL MONEY, and the United Arab Emirates first, and now GULF OIL. They will be around as long as that partnership holds out.
Very true, I think it's the royal family of Bahrain who are major shareholders now.
If a company goes bankrupt it doesn't mean that they go out of business, filing for bankruptcy gives the business time to change around their assets, so if McLaren were to go bankrupt now it would probably mean that their employees will be fired or that they will have to sell off their assets such as the F1 team.
I don't think that the partnership is as strong as it sounds because then they wouldn't need to sell their HQ or their rare cars in order to survive. But that's just my opinion. I hope you are right because I would hate to see my favorite car brand exit F1 or go out of business.
McClaren will not go bankrupt, They will survive as they always have. Hire a few new engineers
I also find it hard to believe and I hope they don't. But they are in financial trouble and if they don't turn it around they will go bankrupt (remember bankruptcy doesn't necessarily mean they go out of business)
"mAgALArEn"
Are you surprised? The cars are unreliable, the parts are all oe. It's a joke although the cars great when they work
I'm more sad than surprised. Yeah McLaren isn't as luxurious or high quality as ferrari and Lamborghini but I feel like when you buy a McLaren you do so for the performance, and McLaren can definitely deliver good performance. More people just like comfort over performance and I get it, you can't really enjoy your McLaren unless you go on a track. A lot of rich people maybe like status more than the car so they buy the car that is more comfortable like a Lamborghini or ferrari
I agree. The performance is amazing, but reliability issues. Too many models introduced. They are clearly mostly hand built. They need better production engineering. Stabilize some of their designs.
@@jamesdellaneve9005 agreed
This is the most Danish accent ever
Thank you 😂
@@lets-talk-cars Jag är svensk, you can't fool us! 😂
My cover is blown 😂😂
McLaren is a bitcoin boy car.
When it plummeted,the car sales did the same..
Not to mention the bad quality of the car.
I don't think bitcoin has a direct correlation; everything, surprising enough, went up during 2020-21: houses, stocks, cars, everything. I agree that the quality isn't amazing compared to a Lamborghini. Lamborghinis are comfortable, safe and reliable. McLarens are trying to kill you. But I feel like that's because McLaren is more of a performance car.
Skada ..p
They should have made the artura 700hp.
Yeah I definitely would complain if they did that. I think their f'ed because it feels like they made more a daily driver rather than a performance car and that isn't really McLarens image in my opinion.