Amazing how well Dishy works just laying flat without azimuth and elevation adjustments. I am looking forward to hearing progress reports as time marches on. Hopefully, the folks back at Starlink are taking notes on your unusual installation to improve future Starlink antennas for mobile and marine use. Starlink is clearly a major game changer for high speed Internet connection for the marine cruising community. Well done Sean, I'm impressed with your ingenuity. No wonder Elizabeth keeps you around ;)
Yeah I mean since they don’t have lnb’s they have thousands of little circuits that can be used to focus. But I I didn’t know it did it dynamically but I guess it would have to, sats move fast and my dish doesn’t track with its motor, it just gets it into a general position for best reception
It would not there would be lots of brown outs. So for gaming would be unbearable. For downloads brownouts don't matter as much if you don't mind a few lost packages. I am sure if everyone does this this would stress their system enough to where these mods will be blocked by software. Basically the constellation now has to do the math to find which one will communicate with you then send your packets there. They would rather you face a predesignated target consistently.
Glad it works for you. I was not expecting it would. I assumed they put so much effort into designing it so that it can point in just the right direction that without it, the usability would have greatly suffered, apparently not.
So the "dish" is a phased array, and can compensate without gimbals and still produce cable modem speed, awesome. The frequencies of search radar are so much lower than satellite freqs, should be no problem... Unless there is an IF strip in Starlink, but that is old school audio stuff. Bravo Zulu on a great install, and very interesting content!
The buggy whip was in vogue for centuries and today the computer is old news before you get done bringing it online. You guys have the right stuff to keep abreast of all the changes.
Hello, I enjoy your videos, you seem like a very nice couple. Sean is a brilliant guy. I don't know if I'll ever get on the water due to Age, and Health, but I'll keep watching, just incase I do ... You Can Never Learn Too Much. Keep on Living the Dream and Stay Safe Out there ‼️ 🙂
i have the original "dishy" on my 63' Hatteras. I went simple and just mounted pole mount for a traditional parabolic antenna. This left the movement servos still in place on the dish antenna. At anchor, it does not move much as the constellation of Statellites moving overhead pretty much keeps the dish acting like it's fixed on a geostationary target, but it does subtlety move. The movement is not robust enough to keep up when the boat cruising... but I love ❤ it!
@@claudiof.barbano5530 I'm on a freshwater lake, so it's relatively calm. No experience on the ocean, but I've seen many post popping up of in motion ocean use of the new square Dishey and it appears to work great.
Looking forward to more Starlink updates for use when we move back to Kodiak, Ak. Mobile service now out at sea is a hit n miss endeavor...great video and thank you
It is amazing there is no insulation in the top of the boat cabin. Doesn’t that make it colder in your present climate. When you come south you will really feel the heat. It is shocking they charged $56 a mega not giga byte. Enjoyed the video. Now you can post more often.
Really enjoyed this episode. I was thinking and hoping to install Starlink on my new boat in the future. So this episode was extremely interesting to me. By the time I'm installing I'm sure they will have full mobility worked out. Thanks again ..p
Good info for anyone else who would like to try this system on their boat ie. my brother. The savings are going to add up over time which is going to encourage more people to do the same thing. Having the inter net go with you wherever you are is advantageous when traveling about.
One thing to look forward to that’s not mentioned, is base stations are currently required by each satellite as mentioned. StarLink 2 satellites have laser communication so they just have to be able to see another StarLink satellite with base station access. So the Infrastructure roll out doesn’t need base stations and therefore permission of other countries.
It looks perfect...very nice and now you have the internet in the middle of the ocean. 😁 Soon you will get coverage anywhere you go. I can't wait for Starlink to launch in South Africa.
For your cellular solution you should look at a Pepwave Cellular router with the external antenna. With our RV the service range and signal improved significantly over a hotspot. Mostly because of the external antenna. Also the use of multiple SIM cards from various providers was a big bonus.
Thanks for sharing this. I think the interesting concept is that a boat is in motion potentially all of the time, even when not moving it can still roll and pitch. The issue with that is your transmission beam can fall off of the bird, and potentially hit another satellite (that’s why the FCC is involved). Normally this is prevented with a transmit inhibit that locks out transmission when the receive lock is lost. I’m sure you have seen that Starlinkbis now available for yachts, $5000/mo and $10,000 for equipment. This includes two Starlink units, but I don’t think we know yet how they are different from normal units.
At equatorial latitudes the phased array will not be able to steer the beam’s line of sight to the Starlink constellation located over the northern latitudes. You likely won’t experience this problem until venturing south toward Mexico.
Love what you did with that install, I think the only thing it needs is a big sticker that says 'no step' I could easily see someone stepping on it and damaging it. I hope they pick up the form factor you have created here so I can run it on my boat.
Mermaid Monster, another Nordhavn that is currently in Grenada, just installed their Starlink. You may want to check out their review. They came to same conclusion as you, but for other reasons.
We’ll done on the install and thank you for sharing the process and your first impressions. Installation question - did you connect the Starlink signal to you boats’ network with a Cat 5 connection or did you just use Starlink’s wireless router to provide a signal throughout the boat? Thanks! Brian
Congrats on this! We live 5 miles from Kennedy Space Center and watch all the launches from our house. SpaceX is doing truly amazing things. I hope it works well for you! It'll be interesting to see how it does in the middle of nowhere, middle of ocean, etc....well I wrote that before seeing the end of the video. So NOT underway...That kinda sucks. It's kinda starting like Sirius/XM. For the longest time they told us pilots that they were only going to service N America. Now they are moving to have worldwide service. So let's see what happens. Technology! How did we ever survive?
Surprised that with disconnected motors the system continued working. Also surprised that your performance is good despite dish pointing flat vertical. The active antenna is most forgiving!
Hey, you might have covered this in your other video but how does it track the satellites if you have it bolted down? The one on my house moves around finding the best signal.
The system picks the best satellite it can find within its limited field and throughput is whatever it can get rather than steering to an "optimal" satellite. Throughput would probably be better and more consistent it the steering was intact. I believe the satellite selection criteria includes utilization of the satellites in view so being able to steer would allow the system to select a less congested satellite closer to the horizon for better throughput.
@@wizardgmb it doesn’t find the best signal, it finds the best average position for where all the satellites your property can see will pass. They stay pretty constant during the day
You removed the Dome antenna, but there are other radar domes that are transparent enough that will cover the circumference of the Starlink antenna and will look like a normal setting on a boat for looking like a radar installation. No need to cut and paste.
Please provide a post-install review of the StarLink installation, perhaps several months down the road after a variety of weather events + transit weathering. I.e., effects of a marine environment on "fishy". TIA!
Elizabeth said they don't recommend installing Starlink as they did due to voiding the warranty and locking themselves into their own installation method. Personally, I don't find the appearance of the dish objectionable, especially with the big rotating radar antenna a few feet away. Since the system can't be utilized underway and has to be shut off for fear of being sent to pergatory, I would have rigged a quick release mechanism for the downtube. The dish could be stowed while in transit to prevent wind damage and keep its circuitry out of the path of the radar signal. I doubt Starlink has qualified or would approve of mounting their dish a few feet away from an active radar antenna! Stowing would preserve the warranty and avoid any future problems with Starlink objecting to the installation method. It will be very interesting when they call Starlink technical support the first time and after querying the device the tech says "Well there's your problem, the steering motors aren't working!"... 🤔 Others such as myself may have a different perspective but in the end, they did what they felt was best for them. Keep up the great videos and above all STAY SAFE? ⛴️❤️😁
Good to see you guys (he, she, they them, haha) moving forward on this. Question; did I see correctly, did he use a pizza cutter to open that ceiling panel? Outstanding ! Have fun out there, be safe, be happy and thanks for the video. I have always wondered if Starlink would work on a boat. Looking forward to see how it tracks when underway. Real time weather, navigation and emergency comms all in one…. Right ?
Could be a gamechanger in comms offshore! It will be interesting to see what angle of pitch and roll are tollerable, Pity it is restricted to anchorage/quayside usage. You're not up there often - consider putting hazard tape across the top of it. Wouldn't want to stand on it! In the North Sea, there is a 4G system operated by Tampnet, using repeater stations on offshore installations - but NOTHING like that speed! Also the cost is rather prohibitive for private use. A very useful video which will be useful for so many, I think. Thanks!
While not officially aligned with Starlink (one day maybe?), through other work we do I've installed 11 of these dishes to date for private residences (in New Zealand). While the cost is certainly up there people will pay for fast, reliable internet. If there are limited choices, and in NZ outside of urban areas your choices get pretty limited pretty fast, Starlink is a good option. The upfront cost is certainly high, but ongoing it's not horrendous, currently a little less than double the average monthly rate for a fibre connection. In my area we have a company which provides a pretty good wireless service too, which I think limits the uptake of Starlink a bit.
Yep, as far as warranty’s go… its pretty much the same. How many times have I found that out. Cheers from Thailand. I still miss Sandy… yours and mine. There is nothing like a Lab’s tail for clearing dishes off a table! Haha. But what a willing swimming partner.
A Job Well Done ! Congrats ! I wouldn't mind Starlink for my Next Boat, but suspect I will have to wait a while for things to change a bit before it'll make sense for a 40 ft ish Sailboat. Likely to do fine with Iridium Go for what I need, with Weather Gribs feed into MFD Network. I won't be bothering with TV on the boat or Sound System either, as Bluetooth Speaker for music from Tablet and phone will be fine, mostly for Audio books. I've got a pretty good AM FM SSB Short wave receiver as well, and a mast stay with an ATU, should pick stuff up globally. Hey Shawn, I think I've found out why your AGM Batteries died so fast ! Apparently the Charge Amperage Needs to be a Minimum of 40% of the Total Storage Capacity, to be in with a Shout of completely refreshing the Carge Capacity. If 200 AH Storage, Optimum may be up to 27 amps rather than 20 amps ? Great Channel on TH-cam I've been watching, is Pacific Yacht Systems Lectures. They have a large amount of Videos with highly informative Content, and they are up your way if you need a chat with them. My only connection with them is as a viewer of their Videos, but I may need to getbin touch with them, to finalise what I need for a reliable to Standard wiring and device setup, before the new boat gets into a Construction Slot. When .I make it to the Pacific, I may get them to check that all electronics onboard are 100%, given all,of my electrical engineering experience and qualifications are Land Based rather than Marine. I was leaning towards Carbon AGM Bstteries, but have found Reasonable priced Marine 12v 206AH lifepo4 of excellent quality without Heaters, by SOK - about 1100 euros each over here, with heaters over 1300 euros each. Seems heaters can be bad news, and a bit of insulation around them should remove any need. I intend being mostly in warm/hot places anyway. Next task for me, is to find a decent Marine grade Wind Generator with Decent Output, that's not too noisy. Could be a challenge. Best Wishes to you both, plus pats for the dogs. Bob. 👍🙂
Nice fabrication and install. Might of wanted to consider using a 1/4-1/2" spacer on the bolts to keep the dish raised off the pilot house roof just a tad. This would of allowed water to flow freely under the dish, minimized the need/use of excess sealant and possible leak areas as well as you could of easily tapered/curved the spacers to the arch of the roof to lay flat as well. In installations like this using a sealant on the deck grid (diamond patterns) the seal you created is prone to failing possibly. With a voided warranty I would aim to minimum these potential issues by the raised unit. I hope that makes sense... Been a year so hopefully it is working fine and staying dry inside.
So I scanned my dish, 3dprinted a perfect box it molds into (search on thingverse) , and plan to surface mount on my 85' boat. I wish I knew if the motors are rugged enough to withstand the G forces on the flybridge underway, and I wish I knew what the decreased performance is by flush mounting. Any ideas?
Wow very happy for you! You are so smart and I must say very handsome. You and wifey are so blessed to live the lifestyle you are. Have a wonderful weekend and your videos are always wonderful.
Remember these dishes do not have focusing lnbs. You only have to motor the dish into kind of position then the thousands of units inside the dish can’t get directed so it can work within a tolerance. This is why they have it pointing straight up
Interesting that you've eliminated the automated slewing of the receiver plate for the Starlink and are getting adequate performance. We're still looking for utility out in the Bahamas, and Starlink's not ready for prime time out there.
That ceiling was easy to access. What type of material is the ceiling made of? Always watch your videos. Need to do the panama canal and come up the east coast. Would love to see your trip.
I just got mine and now I’m wondering if I should have ordered the RV package for my boat. Is that what you guys did? Sorry if you mentioned that and I missed it. Enjoyed the video!
That's amazing. You are very brave to cut that $700 thing apart. I don't understand how you can make it work flat like that, I thought it needed to be able to point at satellites. That is exactly the low profile kind of setup I want to do but I'm not sure I have your courage. I guess I better check. Thanks for that information though and good luck to you.
As the network gets expanded, it is more and more sats above you. Currently there are at least twice the minimum number, and it will only get better. The antenna consists of many small antennas who are electronicslly steerable within approx 100 degrees range.
With the threat of them turning off your service if you use it "while in motion" you might want to be cautious while using it at anchor. What if they interpret your swinging on the hook to being "in motion"? Starlink is maturing rapidly, just not sure they're quite ready.
Nothing like polluting our skies with thousands of satellites. They are talking of wanting upwards of 10000 not to mention that blue origin is also getting into the same game and will be aiming for just as many. Sometimes these things are not worth it.
@@corail53 It's worth it to those with no other means to get decent internet or even phone service, and that isn't limited to boaters and full time RV users.
@@corail53 ... you're typing this complaint on a computer, connected via the limited radio spectrum to a router that sends its signals through scars carved through the earth to a massive datacenter packed with storage systems built using precious mined elements. All of this uses a huge amount of electricity, probably generated by burning fossil fuels. A little perspective.
@@corail53 Blue origin hasn't even finished a rocket that can go to orbit so you really think they are prioritizing their satellite internet service right now? They are still 4 years out MINIMUM from launching their own consumer satellite service. The only competitor to starlink is oneweb, but they are now forced to use SpaceX as their launcher because of the war, so they are at least 2 years behind. Stop complaining old man they are designed to not pollute the sky, and the satellites are only about the size of a kitchen table.
its GPS related and tied to a cell of thousand plus miles rocking at anchor is nothing...... also the FCC doesnt enforce their current licensed bands they sure as hell arent going to be out chasing you in a boat lol.
Is there a risk to the RF transmission energy from Fishy? I know there is for systems that use geostationary birds with an obvious need for greater transmission power. My point is - would it be smarter to mount it higher so you cannot get between it and the open sky for health/safety concerns?
Elizabeth, why do you not recommend Starlink in a boat? It seems like you like the service, but didn't explain why you don't recommend it. Shawn was pretty positive about it.
There's a difference in StarLink's new "Portability / RV" service and "in-motion". StarLink right now just supports the "portability" as the concept of driving your RV to a new location, and setting up the external dish antenna... but NOT using the antenna in an "in-motion" type setup. While it will technically function, they'll void your warranty because Starlink currently does not intend for the existing dish to be used safely in any "in-motion" type deployment.
I initially noticed that the system was oscillating before you retrofitted it and now it doesn’t seems like it’ll oscillate. Will that hinder its operation?
It will have impact but should be slight. The dish was set up to follow the birds to keep a strong signal. Being stationary it will suffer from fade but it will just cause the service to be slower. But should still be perfectly functional.
Good video 😀 I'm in rving and sailing ⛵️ it has been real big on rv side it's there new toy work's these people are all over the country and no one has mounted it on there roof you guys are the only one I heard of that had cut up the star link case well hope it go well 👍 😉
Sorry bumped myself off before finishing comment. Data is extremely slow on Iridium Go but unlimited at $150/month. Incoming calls are free, SMS is quick. I’ll go with Starlink once ir matures.
As I recall your Download speed initially was around 240-270 or something like that, becuase the dish was able to ROTATE to an optimal angle for receiving the signal. Now that you have mounted it FLAT on the coach top you have removed the optimal angle setting to the closest SAT which affected your speeds considerably. Also, not sure if it will work greater than 10 miles from shore as Mermaid Monster indicated they tried the same setup as you and it didnt work past 10 miles out. Actually the issue is one of DEPLOYMENT of more satellites. The location of the downlink station is NO LONGER a technical issue as new software allows the signal to travel between the SATS themselves until a downlink can be found. Once they have MORE SATS in orbit they will allow ROAMING to occur and of course software that will allow a signal to transfer between SAT's just like phones do between cell towers. My understanding is Elon stated he is hoping a MARINE and RV solution will be forthcoming this year once the number of SATS has accumulated to a point that it makes roaming feasible, maybe this summer or this fall. I think EVERYONE is waiting for the mobile version of the dish setup that is not reliant on being close to an on-shore link and can function on an RV or BOAT while maintaining an optimal connection no matter your location.
Yes, the maximum download speed seems compromised but who really needs that much speed on a boat? Two of us get by with all our streaming, on a home cable connection at 130 Mps. Never an issue. Double that would be overkill, IMO. If your job requires downloading huge video files constantly, sure, the extra speed would be great. For surfing the net and watching Netflix, it's not needed.
@@OMGWTFLOLSMH Until just recently my home got by ok with just 20 Mps DSL. We had 3 computers on it, a roku and a couple of tablets. It got a bit slow but it was usable. Getting spoiled now with 1Gig fiber
It's the same systems as for residential. The "RV" portion is just an added service cost that will now allow you to use the service in one location, pack up and drive to a new location, and set the antenna back up.
@@5thGenNativeTexan well RV are moving on ground, boats are moving on sea, not very different from a satellite perspective. Of course the boat rolls while the RV don't
@@claudiof.barbano5530 I was responding to the person above who said they "saw that Starlink has a set up for RV's". My response was that Starlink has not released new "RV" equipment, rather it is just a option you can add to your account that allows you to use your standard Starlink system in different locations, such as moving from RV campground to RV campground. In other words, the "RV" option on your Starlink account is still intended to be used as a fixed (non-moving) setup wherever you go.
Could you share the exact location of motor plug on board, im thinking about drilling hole in the back of case and disconnect it. Then i will remove mount and reconfigure the dish to lay flat. Its going on flat roof of RV .Thanks for the tear down video. I understand the risk, and will not hold you responsible for any thing
Yeah, we have Starlink as well on our boats and home... but ours were professionally installed by licensed reps. Hmmm.... we also kept the old satellite dome.
@@StevenTheGeek if I remember right it was Sunreef who installed ours on the boat and the contractor who built our home had I think who were the licensed dealers instal it.
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Amazing how well Dishy works just laying flat without azimuth and elevation adjustments. I am looking forward to hearing progress reports as time marches on. Hopefully, the folks back at Starlink are taking notes on your unusual installation to improve future Starlink antennas for mobile and marine use. Starlink is clearly a major game changer for high speed Internet connection for the marine cruising community. Well done Sean, I'm impressed with your ingenuity. No wonder Elizabeth keeps you around ;)
Yeah I mean since they don’t have lnb’s they have thousands of little circuits that can be used to focus. But I I didn’t know it did it dynamically but I guess it would have to, sats move fast and my dish doesn’t track with its motor, it just gets it into a general position for best reception
It would not there would be lots of brown outs. So for gaming would be unbearable. For downloads brownouts don't matter as much if you don't mind a few lost packages. I am sure if everyone does this this would stress their system enough to where these mods will be blocked by software. Basically the constellation now has to do the math to find which one will communicate with you then send your packets there. They would rather you face a predesignated target consistently.
I liked the part where Sean is wailing away with the hammer. Hammer Mechanics of the World Unite!
If it don't fit get a bigger hammer!!!!!!
@@dalestoner2928 We all like bigger hammers!
Glad it works for you. I was not expecting it would.
I assumed they put so much effort into designing it so that it can point in just the right direction that without it, the usability would have greatly suffered, apparently not.
So the "dish" is a phased array, and can compensate without gimbals and still produce cable modem speed, awesome. The frequencies of search radar are so much lower than satellite freqs, should be no problem... Unless there is an IF strip in Starlink, but that is old school audio stuff. Bravo Zulu on a great install, and very interesting content!
The buggy whip was in vogue for centuries and today the computer is old news before you get done bringing it online. You guys have the right stuff to keep abreast of all the changes.
Look forward to this as I think eventually this will be a gamechanger and huge advantage for boaters
Hello, I enjoy your videos, you seem like a very nice couple. Sean is a brilliant guy. I don't know if I'll ever get on the water due to Age, and Health, but I'll keep watching, just incase I do ... You Can Never Learn Too Much. Keep on Living the Dream and Stay Safe Out there ‼️ 🙂
I love your stuff you Guys! I live vicariously through you kids!
i have the original "dishy" on my 63' Hatteras. I went simple and just mounted pole mount for a traditional parabolic antenna. This left the movement servos still in place on the dish antenna. At anchor, it does not move much as the constellation of Statellites moving overhead pretty much keeps the dish acting like it's fixed on a geostationary target, but it does subtlety move. The movement is not robust enough to keep up when the boat cruising... but I love ❤ it!
So you confirm that it works well when boat is anchored, even if the boat rolls from the waves in open sea?
@@claudiof.barbano5530 I'm on a freshwater lake, so it's relatively calm. No experience on the ocean, but I've seen many post popping up of in motion ocean use of the new square Dishey and it appears to work great.
Hello, Just bought one for my boat. Can you post a pic of your installation? TY
Looking forward to more Starlink updates for use when we move back to Kodiak, Ak. Mobile service now out at sea is a hit n miss endeavor...great video and thank you
And that's how advancements are made. Thinking outside of the dish and then proving that it works.
Well done 👍
Great video, you've answered a bunch of Starlink questions. But the thumbs up is for Martha!!!! -Darin
Shawn kicks ass. Shawn is my new engineering space God! All Hail Shawn!
We have four Verizon Hotspots at our home, we live in rural East Texas. Hoping our area gets approved for a Starlink system by the end of summer.
You're going to love that system and on a second note , wait till you see what else is coming!
It is amazing there is no insulation in the top of the boat cabin. Doesn’t that make it colder in your present climate. When you come south you will really feel the heat. It is shocking they charged $56 a mega not giga byte. Enjoyed the video. Now you can post more often.
Luckily our cabin stays really warm…except for this winter when temps dipped below zero 🥶
Impact modulation worked well removing that old mount!! Our season is just starting. Our weather is just turning here. Take care.
Great video. Thanks so much for taking us along on your starlink risk.
Really enjoyed this episode. I was thinking and hoping to install Starlink on my new boat in the future. So this episode was extremely interesting to me. By the time I'm installing I'm sure they will have full mobility worked out. Thanks again ..p
Good info for anyone else who would like to try this system on their boat ie. my brother.
The savings are going to add up over time which is going to encourage more people to do the same thing. Having the inter net go with you wherever you are is advantageous when traveling about.
I love my Starlink. My one and only wish is to for them to say you can use it under way, even at your own risk.
One thing to look forward to that’s not mentioned, is base stations are currently required by each satellite as mentioned. StarLink 2 satellites have laser communication so they just have to be able to see another StarLink satellite with base station access.
So the Infrastructure roll out doesn’t need base stations and therefore permission of other countries.
Not all satellites. Just the newer ones.
It looks perfect...very nice and now you have the internet in the middle of the ocean. 😁 Soon you will get coverage anywhere you go. I can't wait for Starlink to launch in South Africa.
For your cellular solution you should look at a Pepwave Cellular router with the external antenna. With our RV the service range and signal improved significantly over a hotspot. Mostly because of the external antenna. Also the use of multiple SIM cards from various providers was a big bonus.
when it has a complete roll out without the FCC hang up`s and other issues it will be a game changer for sailors
Thanks for sharing this. I think the interesting concept is that a boat is in motion potentially all of the time, even when not moving it can still roll and pitch. The issue with that is your transmission beam can fall off of the bird, and potentially hit another satellite (that’s why the FCC is involved). Normally this is prevented with a transmit inhibit that locks out transmission when the receive lock is lost.
I’m sure you have seen that Starlinkbis now available for yachts, $5000/mo and $10,000 for equipment. This includes two Starlink units, but I don’t think we know yet how they are different from normal units.
At equatorial latitudes the phased array will not be able to steer the beam’s line of sight to the Starlink constellation located over the northern latitudes. You likely won’t experience this problem until venturing south toward Mexico.
Great job laddy .
Love what you did with that install, I think the only thing it needs is a big sticker that says 'no step' I could easily see someone stepping on it and damaging it.
I hope they pick up the form factor you have created here so I can run it on my boat.
The FCC approved ESIM on June 30, 2022. Time to update the video. What a great development!
Thank you for sharing. I wait all week to relax on my days off to see what MV FREEDOM is doing. Ty.
Mermaid Monster, another Nordhavn that is currently in Grenada, just installed their Starlink. You may want to check out their review. They came to same conclusion as you, but for other reasons.
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Nice work!
Great stuff…tks 👌👍
We’ll done on the install and thank you for sharing the process and your first impressions. Installation question - did you connect the Starlink signal to you boats’ network with a Cat 5 connection or did you just use Starlink’s wireless router to provide a signal throughout the boat? Thanks! Brian
Congrats on this! We live 5 miles from Kennedy Space Center and watch all the launches from our house. SpaceX is doing truly amazing things. I hope it works well for you! It'll be interesting to see how it does in the middle of nowhere, middle of ocean, etc....well I wrote that before seeing the end of the video. So NOT underway...That kinda sucks. It's kinda starting like Sirius/XM. For the longest time they told us pilots that they were only going to service N America. Now they are moving to have worldwide service. So let's see what happens. Technology! How did we ever survive?
Nice job on the install, Shawn.
Surprised that with disconnected motors the system continued working. Also surprised that your performance is good despite dish pointing flat vertical. The active antenna is most forgiving!
Thanks for the experimental re-engineering and the video. I hope SpaceX appreciates your effort. This is part of my sail boat world cruising plans.
Always find the videos from these two to be informative and on point.
Hey, you might have covered this in your other video but how does it track the satellites if you have it bolted down? The one on my house moves around finding the best signal.
The system picks the best satellite it can find within its limited field and throughput is whatever it can get rather than steering to an "optimal" satellite. Throughput would probably be better and more consistent it the steering was intact. I believe the satellite selection criteria includes utilization of the satellites in view so being able to steer would allow the system to select a less congested satellite closer to the horizon for better throughput.
@@wizardgmb it doesn’t find the best signal, it finds the best average position for where all the satellites your property can see will pass. They stay pretty constant during the day
Thank you guys for starlink...
good to see a review, and as always great video's
You removed the Dome antenna, but there are other radar domes that are transparent enough that will cover the circumference of the Starlink antenna and will look like a normal setting on a boat for looking like a radar installation. No need to cut and paste.
Starlink is now available while in motion approved by the FCC. Elon Musk said it's now available just not as reliably but it is available
Please provide a post-install review of the StarLink installation, perhaps several months down the road after a variety of weather events + transit weathering. I.e., effects of a marine environment on "fishy". TIA!
Elizabeth said they don't recommend installing Starlink as they did due to voiding the warranty and locking themselves into their own installation method.
Personally, I don't find the appearance of the dish objectionable, especially with the big rotating radar antenna a few feet away. Since the system can't be utilized underway and has to be shut off for fear of being sent to pergatory, I would have rigged a quick release mechanism for the downtube. The dish could be stowed while in transit to prevent wind damage and keep its circuitry out of the path of the radar signal. I doubt Starlink has qualified or would approve of mounting their dish a few feet away from an active radar antenna! Stowing would preserve the warranty and avoid any future problems with Starlink objecting to the installation method. It will be very interesting when they call Starlink technical support the first time and after querying the device the tech says "Well there's your problem, the steering motors aren't working!"... 🤔
Others such as myself may have a different perspective but in the end, they did what they felt was best for them.
Keep up the great videos and above all STAY SAFE? ⛴️❤️😁
The damn FCC is controlled by Starlink's obsolete competition. If I pay for a service, I should be able to access it anywhere and anytime I want.
Great video. Been waiting for a few more marine users to review.
Good to see you guys (he, she, they them, haha) moving forward on this. Question; did I see correctly, did he use a pizza cutter to open that ceiling panel? Outstanding ! Have fun out there, be safe, be happy and thanks for the video. I have always wondered if Starlink would work on a boat. Looking forward to see how it tracks when underway. Real time weather, navigation and emergency comms all in one…. Right ?
Great job and I have to say you are such a sweetheart a great amount of kindness and spirit you have
Why didn't you just keep that exist mount? It would help with obstructions, which Starlink has issue with?
Love all the Helly Hansen gear it is my favorite waterproof gear too.
Could be a gamechanger in comms offshore! It will be interesting to see what angle of pitch and roll are tollerable, Pity it is restricted to anchorage/quayside usage. You're not up there often - consider putting hazard tape across the top of it. Wouldn't want to stand on it! In the North Sea, there is a 4G system operated by Tampnet, using repeater stations on offshore installations - but NOTHING like that speed! Also the cost is rather prohibitive for private use. A very useful video which will be useful for so many, I think. Thanks!
While not officially aligned with Starlink (one day maybe?), through other work we do I've installed 11 of these dishes to date for private residences (in New Zealand). While the cost is certainly up there people will pay for fast, reliable internet. If there are limited choices, and in NZ outside of urban areas your choices get pretty limited pretty fast, Starlink is a good option. The upfront cost is certainly high, but ongoing it's not horrendous, currently a little less than double the average monthly rate for a fibre connection. In my area we have a company which provides a pretty good wireless service too, which I think limits the uptake of Starlink a bit.
This is such a good boat channel, always something new to share... com'on people subscribe help them out.. so they can pioneer some more.
Way to go Shawn. Never had a doubt!
Yep, as far as warranty’s go… its pretty much the same. How many times have I found that out. Cheers from Thailand. I still miss Sandy… yours and mine. There is nothing like a Lab’s tail for clearing dishes off a table! Haha. But what a willing swimming partner.
A Job Well Done ! Congrats ! I wouldn't mind Starlink for my Next Boat, but suspect I will have to wait a while for things to change a bit before it'll make sense for a 40 ft ish Sailboat. Likely to do fine with Iridium Go for what I need, with Weather Gribs feed into MFD Network. I won't be bothering with TV on the boat or Sound System either, as Bluetooth Speaker for music from Tablet and phone will be fine, mostly for Audio books. I've got a pretty good AM FM SSB Short wave receiver as well, and a mast stay with an ATU, should pick stuff up globally. Hey Shawn, I think I've found out why your AGM Batteries died so fast ! Apparently the Charge Amperage Needs to be a Minimum of 40% of the Total Storage Capacity, to be in with a Shout of completely refreshing the Carge Capacity. If 200 AH Storage, Optimum may be up to 27 amps rather than 20 amps ? Great Channel on TH-cam I've been watching, is Pacific Yacht Systems Lectures. They have a large amount of Videos with highly informative Content, and they are up your way if you need a chat with them. My only connection with them is as a viewer of their Videos, but I may need to getbin touch with them, to finalise what I need for a reliable to Standard wiring and device setup, before the new boat gets into a Construction Slot. When .I make it to the Pacific, I may get them to check that all electronics onboard are 100%, given all,of my electrical engineering experience and qualifications are Land Based rather than Marine. I was leaning towards Carbon AGM Bstteries, but have found Reasonable priced Marine 12v 206AH lifepo4 of excellent quality without Heaters, by SOK - about 1100 euros each over here, with heaters over 1300 euros each. Seems heaters can be bad news, and a bit of insulation around them should remove any need. I intend being mostly in warm/hot places anyway. Next task for me, is to find a decent Marine grade Wind Generator with Decent Output, that's not too noisy. Could be a challenge. Best Wishes to you both, plus pats for the dogs. Bob. 👍🙂
Excellent. Your productions are first rate -- enjoyable and informing.
Very nice guys. I might look into this for my caravan down here in Australia 🇦🇺
Interesting project! Do you get any RF interference from your other electrical systems like radar and VHF?
Nice fabrication and install. Might of wanted to consider using a 1/4-1/2" spacer on the bolts to keep the dish raised off the pilot house roof just a tad. This would of allowed water to flow freely under the dish, minimized the need/use of excess sealant and possible leak areas as well as you could of easily tapered/curved the spacers to the arch of the roof to lay flat as well. In installations like this using a sealant on the deck grid (diamond patterns) the seal you created is prone to failing possibly. With a voided warranty I would aim to minimum these potential issues by the raised unit. I hope that makes sense... Been a year so hopefully it is working fine and staying dry inside.
Nice work. Butyl tape is amazing. I use it extensively on my aluminum sailboat.
So I scanned my dish, 3dprinted a perfect box it molds into (search on thingverse) , and plan to surface mount on my 85' boat. I wish I knew if the motors are rugged enough to withstand the
G forces on the flybridge underway, and I wish I knew what the decreased performance is by flush mounting. Any ideas?
Wow very happy for you! You are so smart and I must say very handsome. You and wifey are so blessed to live the lifestyle you are. Have a wonderful weekend and your videos are always wonderful.
I'm surprised the Starlink firmware tolerates this. Do you have any firmware errors or did you have to change any settings?
I’m surprised to, yet not. I mean the motorised version doesn’t track satellites across the sky
i didn't know about the in motion thingy with starlink. i guess it's a good thing i wasn't going to get it until i finally get a boat.
It is not really meant for boats, it was built for rural areas that don't have adequate internet infrastructure.
Remember these dishes do not have focusing lnbs. You only have to motor the dish into kind of position then the thousands of units inside the dish can’t get directed so it can work within a tolerance. This is why they have it pointing straight up
Interesting that you've eliminated the automated slewing of the receiver plate for the Starlink and are getting adequate performance. We're still looking for utility out in the Bahamas, and Starlink's not ready for prime time out there.
Works in FL im betting it would work fine for you. I would find a Dish Network Mobile dome and modify it before I disabled the tracking like they did
I'm using mine in the Bahamas right now. Works fine.
@@bsm117532 FANTASTICACIOUS! Have you tried it while under way or just when anchored/docked?
Nice work on your installation!
Yep I was thinking 3m 5200 it’s rather solid for silicone type sealant if it has had time to set.
That ceiling was easy to access. What type of material is the ceiling made of? Always watch your videos. Need to do the panama canal and come up the east coast. Would love to see your trip.
Ceiling is vinyl wrapped plywood.
I just got mine and now I’m wondering if I should have ordered the RV package for my boat. Is that what you guys did? Sorry if you mentioned that and I missed it.
Enjoyed the video!
That's amazing. You are very brave to cut that $700 thing apart. I don't understand how you can make it work flat like that, I thought it needed to be able to point at satellites. That is exactly the low profile kind of setup I want to do but I'm not sure I have your courage. I guess I better check. Thanks for that information though and good luck to you.
As the network gets expanded, it is more and more sats above you. Currently there are at least twice the minimum number, and it will only get better.
The antenna consists of many small antennas who are electronicslly steerable within approx 100 degrees range.
i love you guys! i need a Shawn in my life!
he so smart damn it!! thank for all your videos
Do you have any latency problems, especially using VPN’s, databases etc.
With the threat of them turning off your service if you use it "while in motion" you might want to be cautious while using it at anchor. What if they interpret your swinging on the hook to being "in motion"? Starlink is maturing rapidly, just not sure they're quite ready.
Nothing like polluting our skies with thousands of satellites. They are talking of wanting upwards of 10000 not to mention that blue origin is also getting into the same game and will be aiming for just as many. Sometimes these things are not worth it.
@@corail53 It's worth it to those with no other means to get decent internet or even phone service, and that isn't limited to boaters and full time RV users.
@@corail53 ... you're typing this complaint on a computer, connected via the limited radio spectrum to a router that sends its signals through scars carved through the earth to a massive datacenter packed with storage systems built using precious mined elements. All of this uses a huge amount of electricity, probably generated by burning fossil fuels.
A little perspective.
@@corail53 Blue origin hasn't even finished a rocket that can go to orbit so you really think they are prioritizing their satellite internet service right now? They are still 4 years out MINIMUM from launching their own consumer satellite service. The only competitor to starlink is oneweb, but they are now forced to use SpaceX as their launcher because of the war, so they are at least 2 years behind. Stop complaining old man they are designed to not pollute the sky, and the satellites are only about the size of a kitchen table.
its GPS related and tied to a cell of thousand plus miles rocking at anchor is nothing...... also the FCC doesnt enforce their current licensed bands they sure as hell arent going to be out chasing you in a boat lol.
Is there a risk to the RF transmission energy from Fishy? I know there is for systems that use geostationary birds with an obvious need for greater transmission power. My point is - would it be smarter to mount it higher so you cannot get between it and the open sky for health/safety concerns?
Elizabeth, why do you not recommend Starlink in a boat? It seems like you like the service, but didn't explain why you don't recommend it. Shawn was pretty positive about it.
Um she did? Right here:
th-cam.com/video/GHHCK6aARn0/w-d-xo.html
It is not designed for boats but rural areas where internet infrastructure is hard to come by.
Elon said " app for use when moving , coming soon. " RV and vans users also anxiously waiting for it
Lekker man lekker 🇿🇦
Mermaid Monster was not a fan ! They said it did not work more than 10 miles off shore.
Star Link has announced that it is going mobile for RVs so it should be ok for your boat as how would they know what it was on
There's a difference in StarLink's new "Portability / RV" service and "in-motion". StarLink right now just supports the "portability" as the concept of driving your RV to a new location, and setting up the external dish antenna... but NOT using the antenna in an "in-motion" type setup. While it will technically function, they'll void your warranty because Starlink currently does not intend for the existing dish to be used safely in any "in-motion" type deployment.
Now he rocks. Great video !
I think you should rename Fishy to Splatter. Satellite Platter. (flat dish)
I initially noticed that the system was oscillating before you retrofitted it and now it doesn’t seems like it’ll oscillate. Will that hinder its operation?
So far it hasn’t but that was tested prior to the redesign.
It will have impact but should be slight. The dish was set up to follow the birds to keep a strong signal. Being stationary it will suffer from fade but it will just cause the service to be slower. But should still be perfectly functional.
Good video 😀 I'm in rving and sailing ⛵️ it has been real big on rv side it's there new toy work's these people are all over the country and no one has mounted it on there roof you guys are the only one I heard of that had cut up the star link case well hope it go well 👍 😉
great video, thank's for sharing.
Sorry bumped myself off before finishing comment. Data is extremely slow on Iridium Go but unlimited at $150/month. Incoming calls are free, SMS is quick. I’ll go with Starlink once ir matures.
As I recall your Download speed initially was around 240-270 or something like that, becuase the dish was able to ROTATE to an optimal angle for receiving the signal. Now that you have mounted it FLAT on the coach top you have removed the optimal angle setting to the closest SAT which affected your speeds considerably.
Also, not sure if it will work greater than 10 miles from shore as Mermaid Monster indicated they tried the same setup as you and it didnt work past 10 miles out. Actually the issue is one of DEPLOYMENT of more satellites. The location of the downlink station is NO LONGER a technical issue as new software allows the signal to travel between the SATS themselves until a downlink can be found. Once they have MORE SATS in orbit they will allow ROAMING to occur and of course software that will allow a signal to transfer between SAT's just like phones do between cell towers.
My understanding is Elon stated he is hoping a MARINE and RV solution will be forthcoming this year once the number of SATS has accumulated to a point that it makes roaming feasible, maybe this summer or this fall. I think EVERYONE is waiting for the mobile version of the dish setup that is not reliant on being close to an on-shore link and can function on an RV or BOAT while maintaining an optimal connection no matter your location.
Yes, the maximum download speed seems compromised but who really needs that much speed on a boat? Two of us get by with all our streaming, on a home cable connection at 130 Mps. Never an issue. Double that would be overkill, IMO. If your job requires downloading huge video files constantly, sure, the extra speed would be great. For surfing the net and watching Netflix, it's not needed.
@@OMGWTFLOLSMH Until just recently my home got by ok with just 20 Mps DSL. We had 3 computers on it, a roku and a couple of tablets. It got a bit slow but it was usable. Getting spoiled now with 1Gig fiber
??What good is it if only can use at ANCHOR ⚓ ⚓?? I would wait unlit I anchor and use the phone hot spots
You two are awesome. The risk is worth it.
Does it work on really cloudy days?
Haha yes, that’s most days where we live!
Meridian 5G modified a Dome dish with Starlink package for a superyacht. So it’s a test even with bigger yachts too!
I saw that Starlink has a set up for RV's now
It's the same systems as for residential. The "RV" portion is just an added service cost that will now allow you to use the service in one location, pack up and drive to a new location, and set the antenna back up.
@@5thGenNativeTexan well RV are moving on ground, boats are moving on sea, not very different from a satellite perspective. Of course the boat rolls while the RV don't
@@claudiof.barbano5530 I was responding to the person above who said they "saw that Starlink has a set up for RV's". My response was that Starlink has not released new "RV" equipment, rather it is just a option you can add to your account that allows you to use your standard Starlink system in different locations, such as moving from RV campground to RV campground. In other words, the "RV" option on your Starlink account is still intended to be used as a fixed (non-moving) setup wherever you go.
Check out Mermaid Monster. Just did a star link episode from Grenada.
Could you please give directions to cut the starlink 2 panel apart?
Could you share the exact location of motor plug on board, im thinking about drilling hole in the back of case and disconnect it. Then i will remove mount and reconfigure the dish to lay flat. Its going on flat roof of RV .Thanks for the tear down video.
I understand the risk, and will not hold you responsible for any thing
How's the performance and reliability in a rolly anchorage?
Yeah, we have Starlink as well on our boats and home... but ours were professionally installed by licensed reps. Hmmm.... we also kept the old satellite dome.
What do you class as licensed, spacex doesn’t license anyone to install it on a boat
@@StevenTheGeek if I remember right it was Sunreef who installed ours on the boat and the contractor who built our home had I think who were the licensed dealers instal it.
Licensed by themselve