Really it's just an intrinsically safe pump. A few extra things can be added to get a higher purity solvent recovery. Edit. I speak of active up top. Passive has a loss due to having some hydrocarbon still dissolved in the product. It's how you create a temperature difference in the system of passive rigs to get a better solvent recovery. Still have to purge it though. Gas law and theory really apply here, but only the basic principles... for this part and application. I'm a chemist.
What's the purpose of using a vacuum on a closed loop BHO abstractor. Can't you just fill with material with bottom valve closed. Put the top seal on with open valve. Blast the butane to fill the column. Shut off the top valve, wait for 5 minutes. Then open the bottom valve into a collector.
@Scorpios Lab the vacuum is to remove the atmosphere from the system and bring the base into a vacuum. The vacuum base will assist with collecting the solvent bearing resin into the collection base. Since this is a closed unit, we want to minimize the chance for a vapor lock.
Now if I make this portable how would I ground it? I'm thinking a ground on the tank and the vacuum pump and closed system let me know what I can do thanks
@diglettunnel.kaneko You'll want to ground the CLS by one of the NPT ports on the collection base using an alligator clamp. As long as the rest of your system is connected via a stainless steel hose, it all should be grounded. The stainless steel hoses transfer the grounding from vessel to vessel. But to make the system portable you would need to put a metal stake in the ground and then bond the stake to the CLS to make it actually grounded.
Nice that the one you demo is zero'd out but the one you get wont be.. mine wasn't. no instruction manual either. Also told me it came with the small green tank but as you can see here and as it used to show on the site (use wayback machine) comes with this 30 tank. Had to fight for that. All in all it was a pretty crappy purchase experience.
I could not agree more. By the time I recieved mine it cost $7200.00 Canadian (1lb extractor and oven) BVV claims it's stainless steal. I beg to differ. To cut costs I bet there is aluminum in the mix. Bad welds and when you bring it before bvv with videos and pics, They ignore or won't respond to phone calls or text. I guess where I am in Canada it's OK to deliver there lemons. I am in the process of posting on cannabis forums to not buy from bvv. Liars and crooks
Where can those solvent tanks with the liquid and vapor valves be purchased? They're guaranteed not to have manufacturing oils inside? My guess is from a refrigeration shop, and the LP or butane from a welding gas supplier.
@@djlansing I have a manufacturing / machinist background. Any residual oils from when the metal was formed or the threads tapped would be dissolved in your solvent and ultimately end up in your product after you open the liquid valve. Some searching shows this as a refrigerant recovery tank. If I get one I'll likely rinse with ethanol first to be certain.
@GrantGames The TR21 is a great little recovery pump. CPS made a spark-free version of this pump they call TRS21. The TRS21 is among the most popular recovery pumps used in the industry.
For the return process do you need to wait for the gage to reach back to 0 ? I got stuck at 10 for some reason . Was wondering what can you do to maybe open it and get the bottom columns stuff or so you need it to reach zero to safely do it
So I have a butterfly valve set up an when I go to soak my material the butane won’t flow until I open the valve to my collection plate also ? Should I heat my recovery tank will that push it through or is there something I’m doing wrong
@BlmmersAnBudz When a CLS is under vacuum, the negative pressure pulls the butane into the system. The material column holds a small amount of the butane. Your column is likely full. It would help if you opened the in-line ball valve to allow the negative pressure in the collection vessel to act on the material column. When you open the valve on your LP tank & valve in the system to input gas, grab ahold of the hose. Do you feel the solvent moving through it? You do not want to heat your LPG tank. Instead, dry ice on the collection vessel keeps the collected butane a liquid, maintaining a constant vacuum. Feel free to give us a call at (331) 281-0154 to talk with a tech.
@@Jmarosii I was doing a distill on my butane when I tried this an I have a sight glass so Ik the column wasn’t full my collection vessel was in dry ice an alcohol super cold but my column was same temperature as my butane tank so I’m thinking that maybe that’s y it wouldn’t run to the cold until I opened that second valve to my collection pot as the column wasn’t cold I was gonna try again once I ran material through the column an super chilled it I think that will help with pulling butane to the material column before I open my actual collection vessel
@BlmmersAnBudz Make sure to keep your collection pot cooler than the material column. The butane will want to stay in the column if it becomes cooler than the base (if the column has more negative pressure than the collection pot).
@@Jmarosii my collection pot I put in a bucket an super chill an put a towel over top so I think I’ll be okay I feel like it will definitely be colder then my column which will just probably be super chill but not consistently an exposed to room temperature
A Closed Loop System such as the one shown in this video uses hydrocarbons to extract plant resins. Some plant resins prefer CO2 or steam extraction. Hydrocarbon extraction is commonly used in the Cannabis industry. What are you looking got extract? Feel free to give us a call at (331) 281-0154 to speak with a tech.
@Brett Lawrence No, CLS are designed to use hydrocarbon solvents such as butane or propane. CO2 systems operate at too high of a pressure to be used with a CLS.
Cant wait to go back to work tomorrow. I wouldnt do less than a 1lb extraction. You should get almost 2 full ounces and it makes each run Profitable. And Everyone loves Da Profit
how do you see only getting 2oz of oil per 16oz flower is profitable? lol how much you normally pay for your bho? i normally pay 250oz lol and a lb of good INDOOR flower id atleast pay 1k per unit. so am i missing something?
@jeff love We have all replacement parts listed on the ShopBVV.com website. Here is a link to the 1lb Apollo gasket set: shopbvv.com/products/1lb-passive-cls-gasket-set Feel free to give us a call at (331) 281-0154 to help get an order together!
Buy from extractorsolutions.com they have better clamps & they're cheaper because they're a little guy company in Cali. This Apollo system doesn't even have a ball valve up under the material column... It's not necessary--but I guess they're just trying to save costs. I love having a ball valve on mine so that the material can soak. They have a contact number on their website that goes directly to the owner/operator Aleks. P.s. if you make a fair offer on any one of his kits he will be willing to do business for less than his listed prices
Please do a recovery video!! I have the exact same model with the ball valve and would love to see how you recover to vapor correctly !
Sup man I need some help with
My extraction process can you help I can pay
Really it's just an intrinsically safe pump. A few extra things can be added to get a higher purity solvent recovery.
Edit. I speak of active up top. Passive has a loss due to having some hydrocarbon still dissolved in the product. It's how you create a temperature difference in the system of passive rigs to get a better solvent recovery. Still have to purge it though. Gas law and theory really apply here, but only the basic principles... for this part and application. I'm a chemist.
I’ve yet to find a decent tutorial showing the recovery in full
@@bradleygallant615 Don't doubt it. People pay for that knowledge.
@@bradleygallant615 Bret mavericks channel may still have a few decent videos that are still up . Older videos but informative and entertaining 😉✌
We just received the Apollo 2 lb system. Very happy.
The site says you need a heater/chiller for the Apollo top filled elit but not the professional. Do i need to spend 2 grand on this
How long should a system be able to hold a vacuum? I'm trying to test for leaks
It shouldn’t loose vacuum get a nitrogen tank if you want to pressure test vacuum don’t work
Cool plunger type tool. Link?
Grab yourself a rubber mallet and one of these packing rods, you're set!
shopbvv.com/products/packing-rods-for-material-tubes
What's the purpose of using a vacuum on a closed loop BHO abstractor. Can't you just fill with material with bottom valve closed. Put the top seal on with open valve. Blast the butane to fill the column. Shut off the top valve, wait for 5 minutes. Then open the bottom valve into a collector.
@Scorpios Lab the vacuum is to remove the atmosphere from the system and bring the base into a vacuum. The vacuum base will assist with collecting the solvent bearing resin into the collection base. Since this is a closed unit, we want to minimize the chance for a vapor lock.
So you're practically purging off the atmospheric air? By force of a vacuum?
Now if I make this portable how would I ground it? I'm thinking a ground on the tank and the vacuum pump and closed system let me know what I can do thanks
@diglettunnel.kaneko You'll want to ground the CLS by one of the NPT ports on the collection base using an alligator clamp. As long as the rest of your system is connected via a stainless steel hose, it all should be grounded. The stainless steel hoses transfer the grounding from vessel to vessel.
But to make the system portable you would need to put a metal stake in the ground and then bond the stake to the CLS to make it actually grounded.
@@Jmarosii thanks for your help very much appreciated
Nice that the one you demo is zero'd out but the one you get wont be.. mine wasn't. no instruction manual either. Also told me it came with the small green tank but as you can see here and as it used to show on the site (use wayback machine) comes with this 30 tank. Had to fight for that. All in all it was a pretty crappy purchase experience.
I could not agree more. By the time I recieved mine it cost $7200.00 Canadian (1lb extractor and oven) BVV claims it's stainless steal. I beg to differ. To cut costs I bet there is aluminum in the mix. Bad welds and when you bring it before bvv with videos and pics, They ignore or won't respond to phone calls or text. I guess where I am in Canada it's OK to deliver there lemons. I am in the process of posting on cannabis forums to not buy from bvv. Liars and crooks
@@tunes1966 any good suggestions on where to find one from a proper seller?
@@chadlarrabee2691 hardware factory store
So simple I love it
Where can those solvent tanks with the liquid and vapor valves be purchased? They're guaranteed not to have manufacturing oils inside? My guess is from a refrigeration shop, and the LP or butane from a welding gas supplier.
There is no such thing as no manufacturing oils inside....
Always distill new butane! Problem solved
@@djlansing I have a manufacturing / machinist background. Any residual oils from when the metal was formed or the threads tapped would be dissolved in your solvent and ultimately end up in your product after you open the liquid valve. Some searching shows this as a refrigerant recovery tank. If I get one I'll likely rinse with ethanol first to be certain.
Where did you buy your column packer I've looked everywhere is it custom?
shopbvv.com/products/packing-rods-for-material-tubes
PVC pipe or metal rod and weld a end plate on it 10 bucks
is this the machine used to make live resin?
Yes
No, live resin is made without using solvents like butane. Pressure is used for live resin extraction.
No thats rosin, this machine is indeed for resin@kennethglover3915
Can the TR21 pump be used to pull solvent from the collection vessel into the recovery tank safely?
@GrantGames The TR21 is a great little recovery pump. CPS made a spark-free version of this pump they call TRS21. The TRS21 is among the most popular recovery pumps used in the industry.
For the return process do you need to wait for the gage to reach back to 0 ? I got stuck at 10 for some reason . Was wondering what can you do to maybe open it and get the bottom columns stuff or so you need it to reach zero to safely do it
Ever figure it out?
Just release extra pressure or chill your collection vessel to get the pressure down
So I have a butterfly valve set up an when I go to soak my material the butane won’t flow until I open the valve to my collection plate also ? Should I heat my recovery tank will that push it through or is there something I’m doing wrong
@BlmmersAnBudz When a CLS is under vacuum, the negative pressure pulls the butane into the system. The material column holds a small amount of the butane. Your column is likely full. It would help if you opened the in-line ball valve to allow the negative pressure in the collection vessel to act on the material column.
When you open the valve on your LP tank & valve in the system to input gas, grab ahold of the hose. Do you feel the solvent moving through it?
You do not want to heat your LPG tank. Instead, dry ice on the collection vessel keeps the collected butane a liquid, maintaining a constant vacuum.
Feel free to give us a call at (331) 281-0154 to talk with a tech.
@@Jmarosii I was doing a distill on my butane when I tried this an I have a sight glass so Ik the column wasn’t full my collection vessel was in dry ice an alcohol super cold but my column was same temperature as my butane tank so I’m thinking that maybe that’s y it wouldn’t run to the cold until I opened that second valve to my collection pot as the column wasn’t cold I was gonna try again once I ran material through the column an super chilled it I think that will help with pulling butane to the material column before I open my actual collection vessel
@BlmmersAnBudz Make sure to keep your collection pot cooler than the material column. The butane will want to stay in the column if it becomes cooler than the base (if the column has more negative pressure than the collection pot).
@@Jmarosii my collection pot I put in a bucket an super chill an put a towel over top so I think I’ll be okay I feel like it will definitely be colder then my column which will just probably be super chill but not consistently an exposed to room temperature
If you wanted to use a recovery unit to help recover vapor can you do so?
Kinda old and I'm sure you've answered this, but yes. Just make sure the pump is intended for this purpose.
can you use CO2 and recover the same way?
Did you ever find out 🙏
@@karlclarke4267 im trying it out right now
lol... absolutely and unequivocally no. I mean you technically could, but theres another name for rapidly expanding gases from a closed system...
@@sob831 did you explode?
@@wholeass83 this man never responded LOL
Can we use co2 instead of butane?
@jackyray6088 unfortunately no, we do not carry CO2 units. Hydrocarbon units are not designed to hold CO2's high pressures.
does it only extract Apollos? or can it be used for other things?
A Closed Loop System such as the one shown in this video uses hydrocarbons to extract plant resins. Some plant resins prefer CO2 or steam extraction. Hydrocarbon extraction is commonly used in the Cannabis industry. What are you looking got extract?
Feel free to give us a call at (331) 281-0154 to speak with a tech.
😂
stupid question, can you run ethanol through this system?
This Closed Loop System is designed to use with Hydrocarbon solvents only. A centrifuge is reccomend for Ethanol extraction.
Can you use Co2 with this system? And possibly have a video?
@Brett Lawrence No, CLS are designed to use hydrocarbon solvents such as butane or propane. CO2 systems operate at too high of a pressure to be used with a CLS.
We need some further guidance on setting up our apparatus, if anyone can guide. Thank you
@Maryam Akhtar please give us a call! We're happy to help :D (331) 281-0154
peggy say it. say you love propane / butane accessories!!
Dam. I want to see the results!
That fitting on the gas cylider wher can i get it
@Sidney Were you can find all these parts on our website! Looking for a CGA 510 adaptor for your solvent tank? www.shopbvv.com
can u do a hexane run ?
Contaminants will stay on you’re wax if you’re using the vacuum pump the oil in it will stay on you’re wax
Cant wait to go back to work tomorrow. I wouldnt do less than a 1lb extraction. You should get almost 2 full ounces and it makes each run Profitable. And Everyone loves Da Profit
how do you see only getting 2oz of oil per 16oz flower is profitable? lol how much you normally pay for your bho? i normally pay 250oz lol and a lb of good INDOOR flower id atleast pay 1k per unit. so am i missing something?
Where can I order new seals?
@jeff love We have all replacement parts listed on the ShopBVV.com website.
Here is a link to the 1lb Apollo gasket set: shopbvv.com/products/1lb-passive-cls-gasket-set
Feel free to give us a call at (331) 281-0154 to help get an order together!
Is that the best cleanest shirt you to be a spokesman of BVV??
Can you use co2 in this
No
“You can immediately see they pressure gauge going up” (pressure gauge doesn’t move at all)
it was -30 originally and goes up to -20 clearly
I like the system, and I want to buy one
Buy from extractorsolutions.com
they have better clamps & they're cheaper because they're a little guy company in Cali.
This Apollo system doesn't even have a ball valve up under the material column...
It's not necessary--but I guess they're just trying to save costs. I love having a ball valve on mine so that the material can soak.
They have a contact number on their website that goes directly to the owner/operator Aleks.
P.s. if you make a fair offer on any one of his kits he will be willing to do business for less than his listed prices
Im sticking with pressing bubble hash. This way has way too many steps and expensive, hard to source materials.
Haha too many steps ? Maybe you should lay off the hash . This is as simple as it gets
Kinda dangerous but I like it
Hell of a lot safer than open blasting and cheaper as the solvent can be re-used
Voicovers are great when you cant hear shit like in this video
Cool.
11:00 You're at 20psi
Can u add crc?
No but you can do it right and say fuck crc
Yes you can add crc
@TheTravelingSpore exactly my thought.
Whats crc???
Those ‘clamps’ are a joke. Should never use this system like that, not safe at all!!!
please elaborate
You need clamps that are 2 piece w/bolts,washers and nuts. I would never, never use tri clamps on a CLS