Was that you that was crying long ago? You wanted to go home. ? That made me so sad. Don't live in DEMOCRAT areas. Those people are sick . The real Americans are Republicans we would love you in our area. You would be a normal person. Did you ever make it back home?? I actually was going to help you get a ticket home you made me so sad. If your gone I hope you return to republican city state. It's people like you that made USA great in history. The DEMOCRAT is making people like you go away and they let the mental sick inside.
me personally, it helps me remember them so they don't look like amorphous masses when i encounter them again later, i'm usually gonna forget how to write them but it personally helps me recognize them
I find doing it helps me associate the radical with the word especially with characters that have radicals that wouldn't be so obvious to me. It helped me contextualise the pattern of characters and radicals, as well as giving me more time to process the visual links between two characters.
That’s great!! If it helps you then definitely do it! I made this video cause some of my students told me they feel so frustrated from not being able to write Chinese characters correctly. So I was like it’s okay, you don’t have to do it perfectly!
same with me, I find it's really hard to memorize the character itself without writing it and recognize its components. So writing helps me memorize the characters even it does not help my writing at all.
I see your point, but I do some writing every day just because I enjoy it and it helps me differentiate characters that look really similar. I don’t copy characters over and over, but rather copy a favorite passage from a book, a Weibo post that I find interesting, or pick a few sentences from a grammar lesson. But I definitely do more reading than writing.
I had a very stressful job at the time I was studying Mandarin and found writing the characters was therapeutic. I started with simplified the first year. The second year I switched to traditional and found that I needed only to write a character 10 x to memorize it.
If you enjoy it definitely do it! I’m making this video for my students who felt so frustrated about not being able to remember a simple Chinese character by writing them over and over. I don’t want them to feel like if they can’t remember how to write the characters then they need to stop learning Chinese
I only write characters when I need to look them up and I don't know the sound well enough to type in pinyin. TBH I am really focused on the comprehension aspect right now, because I understand reading naturally precedes writing. I can understand how writing out passages you are reading might help you connect kinesthetically with the sound and meaning of characters.
I am learning chinese at university to be a translator, for me it's very important to learn how to write them. At the very least my prof constantly grades us at how we write hanzi.
If you’re becoming a translator then writing is an essential skill 👌🏻 I’m more talking to beginner level Chinese learners. I don’t want them to stop learning Chinese because they think they can’t write Chinese characters properly 😢
@@chinesewithliayou are so right. Writing is probably the least important compared to conversing and reading. I never write any more, just type pin yin and choose the character I want.
@@chinesewithliaThe reason I ask is because I feel like I could learn Spanish very well. But only in terms of reading and writing the language. For example, I was only able to do 1 year of Spanish in high school, and I decided to drop out of further pursuing the language because majority of classes grade you on the speech apprehension. Unfortunately for me, if there are any languages that emphasize the use of the letter "R" in any way, I'm screwed. Just because I have a speech impediment with the letter "R", that slips out from time to time as an adult. I had a hard time saying the words three, four, car, tree, etc. As a kid, I had a hard time rolling my "r's" correctly. And English is my main language. 😬😅
Does your university teacher also enforce the students to have fluid speech apprehension, or is the focus solely on reading and writing the language only? That's actually kinda nice. I feel like I could pick up on languages a lot quicker if reading and writing is the main focus and there isn't speech involved. 😬😅
She's not saying to not learn the Chinese characters at all. she's telling you to not put your focus too much to memorize how to write them one by one but instead memorize it by it's particle and any other element that can help.
i definitely have a case of character amnesia😂 i can still read and speak but i haven’t written in a long time and find it difficult to recall the characters😅 (i learnt chinese as a kid)
For me, writing was worth it. There is something meditative about writing the Chinese characters and after about 10 years you even get a feeling for their appearance and meaning.
I find that writing down Japanese kanji at least once or twice (or until I feel like I got it mostly right) when I learn them helps tremendously with memorization, particularly with learning the radicals themselves. The process of writing down all the radicals in a kanji really helps with distinguishing the specific kanji from similar ones. For example, I used to struggle with telling apart 問 and 間, which I see all the time when reading, but never sat down and properly learned. After sitting down yesterday and writing down both a couple times, I don't think I'll ever mistake them again. Once I've learned and internalized all the radicals, I'll probably rely less on writing things down since it should get easier to memorize stuff without writing it down, but for now I'll keep doing it.
I lived in China for over 4 years. I got to the point where I could read newspapers and magazines in Chinese. She's absolutely right. Reading and chatting/texting Chinese characters is what got me there. Even my Chinese teachers would forget how to write characters. There's too damn many.
I think it depends on what your goal is. For me practicing writing them is both calming and relaxing, and it helps me to memorize reading them and remember the words. However it depends on your goal. If your focus is purely to speak conversationally then I’d not worry about it at all for example but if you were going to move to china or maybe you need it for work or academics then writing would be important. Even for reading, it wouldn’t be as heavily focused on but I feel it does help recalling the characters. I think it’s at least beneficial to learn stroke order though regardless,
The Chinese alphabet has mostly the same letter as the English alphabet, they're just pronounced a bit differently, characters are not the same as the alphabet
@@Ruruisinane I know I do!!! I have dyslexia so although I actually read at a high level I have difficulty spelling. I see in pictures so I understand that seeing the shape of words is what enables me to speed read. I have advanced education/job that requires tons of reading. I learned how to read at 3… just not in the way they teach at school. This is why spelling is difficult for me!
@@threeprongedfork7061I hated writing in cursive as a kid. The moment we reached like 5th grade, we had the choice to write in print and you better believe I rejoiced.😂 Looking back now, as an adult, as long as the letters are legible and the other person knows what you're talking about is all that mattered. I'd like to get back into writing cursive just for the art aspect.
When i was doing chinese in high school, i remembered how to write fire by seeing it as a little person😅 literally showed my teacher what I meant by drawing a head on top and immediate understanding. Last I heard, she uses that as a method to help people remember fire😂
For me it helps me remember the character even better. There's a lot of Chinese characters that look almost the same and it confuses me sometimes. Writing characters actually helps me remember them better!
My instinct is to write every thing because that's how we learn in the US too, but i have been lazy lol. I noticed that I've started recognizing characters even though i don't remember how to write them. I have a bad habit of thinking of what a character would be in English terms though
yes!! i agree so much 😭😭 my uni teacher makes us all write the characters(like she dictates pinyin and we must write the character) even tho the only thing with our chinese we can do is reading and listening on the internet. i hate this extra focus on remembering how to write characters if we can just type in pinyin on the keyboard and get the needed characters 😭😭 also a keyboard on the phone doesnt need any wifi connection at all.. only some battery power and you can type whole ass paragraphs in chinese
Students who learn characters tend to remember longer, but this is probably more due to the additional years to learn charters Old style FanTi characters are easier to read. They tell a story
Its still very crazy for non(Chinese?) Character readers. German was easy for me to get in to but Chinese/Japanese Characters? I really want to learn Chinese but the language is so complex and has things that simply dont exist in English.
personally i really like east asian written languages. They are quite fun to learn for the exact reason she is talking about with how to remember them.
Im dyslexic and im very visually oriented i do this even with hangul which is less detailed. I dont remember stories so much but i try to pick out unique shapes in things and mentally connect them to the symbol. Suprise suprise im dyslexic in handsign (for asl), hangul, and spanish (likely anything else i try too). For my kind of dyslexia i confuse the k/g ㄱ and n ㄴ shapes in hangul, as an example. Also all the vowel type sounds with the upright shapes, i find them super easy to confuse (ㅓ ㅏ ㅣ like these)
I remember doing this in class when I was in primary school, it’s called 习字 (xi zi), and then we had to do the chinese spelling called 听写 (ting xie) which is like a nightmare, even as a Chinese person myself
I like to write them because my brain just remeber them more easily and also it feels so relaxing writing the caracters with my nice ink pen because I feel like an artist or I don't know What I mean, I think that each person must learn languages in the way they feel better
Jeezus...i remember those days when I was in primary. I knew it, the teachings just won't stick to the point i treat it as punishment rather than learning
I am native to Chinese (writing Traditional which is harder) and i somehow remember the difficult words and forget even the simplest words. It is just something that blends into your mind. Also words like 都到度 always confuses me in my writing exams, so I think that forgetting words are fine, but make sure to continue developing😂
I've had this like 2 or 3 times now, how have I lived in China and did translation homework on 5 year plans, but ask me to write something like mafan and my brain goes blank 😅
sigh* i have that thingy magicy already, and i only know how to read traditional characters and only can write bit of it. i never learnt simplified lol
when we wrote them over and over again i remembered nothing. when i copied sentences and wrote my own, i remembered all of them for at least a few weeks. now i can write like the top 50 used.
Thanks for the protip. Learning some new languages seem pretty daunting, because I'm so accustomed to the Latin alphabet, because I can't use context clues. So, learning to read before writing could be a good strategy for me, but I would need the reinforcement of writing
That’s why I’m not learning Chinese but Japanese. If you forget or don’t know a Kanji, you just write them in Kana. I really cannot understand why after so many years, Chinese hasn’t adopted an alternative phonetic writing system.
Is there a tool for looking up a character you don't know? I know in japanese when you forget kanji you can look it up by spelling the word phonetically, but you can't do that with chinese, so what do you do instead?
when i was in highschool my friend is smart hell. straight A+s every single time, every single subject. except for mandarin. he never went above C for that subject. he's chinese.
there is a way that indirectly and efficiently helps with writing characters, its called using shape based IME. something like 行列30 is a great example: with 行列 you have: 9下(彳)1中(一)1中(一)3中(亅)=行；1中(一)7下(夕)3上(刂)=列 (shaped based IMEs will follow the same rules as handwriting: left to right and top to bottom). as soon as you start frequently using shape based IMEs you will also begin to remember the components, thus remember how to write them with hand eventually. shape based IMEs can use CJK componet set or even more than just that, like Kangxi 康𤋮 or their own set of components like 行列30 to compose characters. the CJK component set alone is what makes over 50000 characters possible.
Um but then you end up like me. I can read natively but cannot write enough characters to even take notes or fill out a form. And then when I got to college and wanted to take Chinese classes there were none at my level because the basic ones were well below my level and I cannot take the harder ones because I wouldn’t be able to write any exams or in-class essays.
But you could level up the writing a lot quicker than the rest of us simply because you already know the meaning and syntax. If you decided to take a course in the fall and spent the summer watching cdramas or other shows with the mandarin subs on, with maybe an hour daily writing some responses to what you watched, you would know enough to handle an intermediate class without serious problems.
I always learn a new language by listening. I use words by words in everyday sentence. At that point I learn how to procounce the words, how and when to use certain words. Writing is a whole other learning process.
I think there might be a problem with the writing system there if even natives have trouble using it... I've heard somewhere that they have like 5000 characters or something like that. How do they write on paper if they can't even remember all of them?
There is 1000% a problem with the writing system. China had a really bad illiteracy problem until the mid 1900s, when they adopted pinyin But the main reason why adults have character amnesia is because they are taught the characters in school as kids, but as adults, they type more than they handwrite. So they no longer need to memorize how to write the characters
Is common for 1st-2nd graders to randomly forget how to spell simple words. One time in kindergarten i was writing in my journal and i forgot how to spell "for" for several minutes
How will I text somebody on WeChat naturally if I forget how to compose the character and only know it because when I encounter it when reading, I am reminded?
there are two types of Chinese keyboard, one requires you the draw out a character but the other you just type the pinyin and it suggests the character for you - most of my Chinese friends use that, which is why they forget how to write characters
@@curiousitykilledthecat9933I've never seen a cdrama character using anything but Pinyin keyboard for electronic communication purposes or document preparation.
Hi! Im a beginner to Chinese learning on Duolingo and ive been taught the character for water is 水 is this incorrect or is it another form of chinese? Sorry if i sound silly i think some characters are quite confusing to learn
I used to can read and write chinese but after I moved away in 2nd grade I forgot how to because i havent been keeping up these past few years 😭 I'm trying to learn it back now though but it's so hard 🥲
Since you would have to remember the radicals, you would probably remember the character better than if you just used the pinyin keyboard. But on phones, you can download a special keyboard where you have to draw the character to input it. I would look into that!
Okay, character amnesia is real, but listening is a whole different skill. Tell people you don't understand and ask them to speak slower. Often everything becomes clearer.
My teacher basically knows every Chinese word but forgot 枇杷 and then because I knew Chinese I forgot English. For example, one day when I went to school I questioned myself whether fabulous was spelled correct
Fun fact: 虾(shrimp) is a character that didn’t lose its phonetic meaning when simplifying. The traditional character of 虾 is 蝦, the 叚pronounce xiá, or pronounce jiǎ when representing 假（fake).
I was trying to figure out how kanji in Japanese works like "wait does it break apart?" And yeah, it damn does Now all I need to do is learn every part of it 😂
Teaching English in China, I once had a student jokingly ask "oh, do you like eating chicken?". I had only just moved to China so had no idea why he or the others were giggling or what the joke was. He then offered to each me how to write chicken during the break. In front of the class, poor 18 y/o lad forgot how to write the character, and he became the topic of the joke for the day.
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Do u teach hsk 5?
Was that you that was crying long ago? You wanted to go home. ? That made me so sad. Don't live in DEMOCRAT areas. Those people are sick . The real Americans are Republicans we would love you in our area. You would be a normal person. Did you ever make it back home?? I actually was going to help you get a ticket home you made me so sad. If your gone I hope you return to republican city state. It's people like you that made USA great in history. The DEMOCRAT is making people like you go away and they let the mental sick inside.
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me personally, it helps me remember them so they don't look like amorphous masses when i encounter them again later, i'm usually gonna forget how to write them but it personally helps me recognize them
I find doing it helps me associate the radical with the word especially with characters that have radicals that wouldn't be so obvious to me. It helped me contextualise the pattern of characters and radicals, as well as giving me more time to process the visual links between two characters.
That’s great!! If it helps you then definitely do it! I made this video cause some of my students told me they feel so frustrated from not being able to write Chinese characters correctly. So I was like it’s okay, you don’t have to do it perfectly!
same with me, I find it's really hard to memorize the character itself without writing it and recognize its components. So writing helps me memorize the characters even it does not help my writing at all.
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I see your point, but I do some writing every day just because I enjoy it and it helps me differentiate characters that look really similar.
I don’t copy characters over and over, but rather copy a favorite passage from a book, a Weibo post that I find interesting, or pick a few sentences from a grammar lesson.
But I definitely do more reading than writing.
I had a very stressful job at the time I was studying Mandarin and found writing the characters was therapeutic. I started with simplified the first year. The second year I switched to traditional and found that I needed only to write a character 10 x to memorize it.
That isn't what she was saying.
If you enjoy it definitely do it! I’m making this video for my students who felt so frustrated about not being able to remember a simple Chinese character by writing them over and over. I don’t want them to feel like if they can’t remember how to write the characters then they need to stop learning Chinese
I only write characters when I need to look them up and I don't know the sound well enough to type in pinyin. TBH I am really focused on the comprehension aspect right now, because I understand reading naturally precedes writing.
I can understand how writing out passages you are reading might help you connect kinesthetically with the sound and meaning of characters.
that is not what she’s talking about
I am learning chinese at university to be a translator, for me it's very important to learn how to write them. At the very least my prof constantly grades us at how we write hanzi.
If you’re becoming a translator then writing is an essential skill 👌🏻 I’m more talking to beginner level Chinese learners. I don’t want them to stop learning Chinese because they think they can’t write Chinese characters properly 😢
@@chinesewithliayou are so right. Writing is probably the least important compared to conversing and reading. I never write any more, just type pin yin and choose the character I want.
@@chinesewithliaIs it possible to be a translator by reading and writing, without having to speak a language?
@@chinesewithliaThe reason I ask is because I feel like I could learn Spanish very well. But only in terms of reading and writing the language.
For example, I was only able to do 1 year of Spanish in high school, and I decided to drop out of further pursuing the language because majority of classes grade you on the speech apprehension.
Unfortunately for me, if there are any languages that emphasize the use of the letter "R" in any way, I'm screwed. Just because I have a speech impediment with the letter "R", that slips out from time to time as an adult.
I had a hard time saying the words three, four, car, tree, etc. As a kid, I had a hard time rolling my "r's" correctly. And English is my main language. 😬😅
Does your university teacher also enforce the students to have fluid speech apprehension, or is the focus solely on reading and writing the language only?
That's actually kinda nice. I feel like I could pick up on languages a lot quicker if reading and writing is the main focus and there isn't speech involved. 😬😅
She's not saying to not learn the Chinese characters at all. she's telling you to not put your focus too much to memorize how to write them one by one but instead memorize it by it's particle and any other element that can help.
i definitely have a case of character amnesia😂 i can still read and speak but i haven’t written in a long time and find it difficult to recall the characters😅 (i learnt chinese as a kid)
I'm Chinese and the last time I wrote Chinese word is probably 20 years ago? 😅 Even when I do need to type in Chinese, everything now has autocorrect.
@@jaydenbraydon5405 Wtf 20 years ago you never go to school or something lol
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For me, writing was worth it. There is something meditative about writing the Chinese characters and after about 10 years you even get a feeling for their appearance and meaning.
I advise people to write, writing is the best way to learn.
This is a thing! I know someone whose elderly parents read the newspaper in Chinese every day, but they've completely forgotten how to write
They forget because they use the phone more and more. After not needing to use pen to write, my spelling deteriorated.
This makes me feel less pressured 😅😂❤ 很好。
I find that writing down Japanese kanji at least once or twice (or until I feel like I got it mostly right) when I learn them helps tremendously with memorization, particularly with learning the radicals themselves.
The process of writing down all the radicals in a kanji really helps with distinguishing the specific kanji from similar ones. For example, I used to struggle with telling apart 問 and 間, which I see all the time when reading, but never sat down and properly learned. After sitting down yesterday and writing down both a couple times, I don't think I'll ever mistake them again.
Once I've learned and internalized all the radicals, I'll probably rely less on writing things down since it should get easier to memorize stuff without writing it down, but for now I'll keep doing it.
I lived in China for over 4 years. I got to the point where I could read newspapers and magazines in Chinese. She's absolutely right. Reading and chatting/texting Chinese characters is what got me there. Even my Chinese teachers would forget how to write characters. There's too damn many.
I think it depends on what your goal is. For me practicing writing them is both calming and relaxing, and it helps me to memorize reading them and remember the words. However it depends on your goal. If your focus is purely to speak conversationally then I’d not worry about it at all for example but if you were going to move to china or maybe you need it for work or academics then writing would be important. Even for reading, it wouldn’t be as heavily focused on but I feel it does help recalling the characters. I think it’s at least beneficial to learn stroke order though regardless,
What's even worse is that I have to learn traditional Chinese
How to tell me your alphabet is too complex without telling me your alphabet is too complex 😮.
The Chinese alphabet has mostly the same letter as the English alphabet, they're just pronounced a bit differently, characters are not the same as the alphabet
People forget how to spell words too in alphabetic systems
@@Ruruisinane I know I do!!! I have dyslexia so although I actually read at a high level I have difficulty spelling. I see in pictures so I understand that seeing the shape of words is what enables me to speed read. I have advanced education/job that requires tons of reading. I learned how to read at 3… just not in the way they teach at school. This is why spelling is difficult for me!
@@nancyz3834 This gives me hope that I can learn the language! I want to learn at least two more languages.
@@user-nf3ry4mw7b Mandarin is terrible and stupid and such a pain to learn, I wish you luck and sanity
Doesn’t the new HSK require passing a handwriting section too though?
Writing characters over and over again to learn them is different than writing to have better handwriting
@@threeprongedfork7061I hated writing in cursive as a kid. The moment we reached like 5th grade, we had the choice to write in print and you better believe I rejoiced.😂
Looking back now, as an adult, as long as the letters are legible and the other person knows what you're talking about is all that mattered. I'd like to get back into writing cursive just for the art aspect.
God knows when the new HSK will be actually implemented (though the new HSK 7-9 have been for some time)
HSK5 and HSK6 have essay sections. Lower HSK levels also have writing sections, but they are "write the sentence in the correct order"
When i was doing chinese in high school, i remembered how to write fire by seeing it as a little person😅 literally showed my teacher what I meant by drawing a head on top and immediate understanding. Last I heard, she uses that as a method to help people remember fire😂
For me it helps me remember the character even better. There's a lot of Chinese characters that look almost the same and it confuses me sometimes. Writing characters actually helps me remember them better!
I only learned how to write 1,2,3 :)
Okay, why does the 飞 looks funnier every word tho😂
Ngl I'm so glad I learnt Chinese when I was a kid. Learning languages as an adult is way too difficult..
Learning how Chinese characters evolved from pictographs to ideograms made it easier for me to understand and remember them.
My instinct is to write every thing because that's how we learn in the US too, but i have been lazy lol. I noticed that I've started recognizing characters even though i don't remember how to write them. I have a bad habit of thinking of what a character would be in English terms though
yes!! i agree so much 😭😭 my uni teacher makes us all write the characters(like she dictates pinyin and we must write the character) even tho the only thing with our chinese we can do is reading and listening on the internet. i hate this extra focus on remembering how to write characters if we can just type in pinyin on the keyboard and get the needed characters 😭😭 also a keyboard on the phone doesnt need any wifi connection at all.. only some battery power and you can type whole ass paragraphs in chinese
Students who learn characters tend to remember longer, but this is probably more due to the additional years to learn charters
Old style FanTi characters are easier to read. They tell a story
Its still very crazy for non(Chinese?) Character readers. German was easy for me to get in to but Chinese/Japanese Characters? I really want to learn Chinese but the language is so complex and has things that simply dont exist in English.
personally i really like east asian written languages. They are quite fun to learn for the exact reason she is talking about with how to remember them.
my mom used to be a journalist in china and was born in china lived in china throughout school and she forgets so much
Im dyslexic and im very visually oriented i do this even with hangul which is less detailed. I dont remember stories so much but i try to pick out unique shapes in things and mentally connect them to the symbol.
Suprise suprise im dyslexic in handsign (for asl), hangul, and spanish (likely anything else i try too). For my kind of dyslexia i confuse the k/g ㄱ and n ㄴ shapes in hangul, as an example. Also all the vowel type sounds with the upright shapes, i find them super easy to confuse (ㅓ ㅏ ㅣ like these)
Typing also contributes to character amnesia. You just need to recognize and choose the right character.
I remember doing this in class when I was in primary school, it’s called 习字 (xi zi), and then we had to do the chinese spelling called 听写 (ting xie) which is like a nightmare, even as a Chinese person myself
Thank you I thought I was doing a bad job bc I could read them but I forget how to write them
I like to write them because my brain just remeber them more easily and also it feels so relaxing writing the caracters with my nice ink pen because I feel like an artist or I don't know
What I mean, I think that each person must learn languages in the way they feel better
The amount of times I forgot how to write 的 is extremely concerning
Muscle memory helps. Try everything. Just do what ever works for you. It's good to write it, because it us also a form of therapy.
it's time to change the writing system
My friend from Hong Kong sent me the progression of the Chinese character for turtle and it was incredible
Hsk test requires it I think
As a Chinese I had this experience today. I couldn't remember the second character but once I completed the first I instantly wrote the 2nd
Jeezus...i remember those days when I was in primary. I knew it, the teachings just won't stick to the point i treat it as punishment rather than learning
I am native to Chinese (writing Traditional which is harder) and i somehow remember the difficult words and forget even the simplest words. It is just something that blends into your mind. Also words like 都到度 always confuses me in my writing exams, so I think that forgetting words are fine, but make sure to continue developing😂
I've had this like 2 or 3 times now, how have I lived in China and did translation homework on 5 year plans, but ask me to write something like mafan and my brain goes blank 😅
I only have mild dyslexia with phonetic alphabets but chinese characters really kick it to a whole other level 😭😭😭
sigh*
i have that thingy magicy already,
and i only know how to read traditional characters and only can write bit of it.
i never learnt simplified lol
TH-cam showed me this while I'm struggling to memorize Kana 😂 it somehow knew
very good point. just wish the volume was a bit higher
when we wrote them over and over again i remembered nothing. when i copied sentences and wrote my own, i remembered all of them for at least a few weeks. now i can write like the top 50 used.
Thanks for the protip. Learning some new languages seem pretty daunting, because I'm so accustomed to the Latin alphabet, because I can't use context clues.
So, learning to read before writing could be a good strategy for me, but I would need the reinforcement of writing
I'm learning Japanese,and that's why I forgot how to write kanji even hiragana and katakana but I can read when i saw the character 💀
Thank you for clarifying this. ❤
The point is not to stop learning how to write them... is the focus on writing. Really, you don't need to write it 10 times out of context.
That’s why I’m not learning Chinese but Japanese. If you forget or don’t know a Kanji, you just write them in Kana.
I really cannot understand why after so many years, Chinese hasn’t adopted an alternative phonetic writing system.
They have, it's called pinyin. They just don't have a home-grown phonetic spelling system, like Japanese does.
@@carultch I know a little about it. The problem is that it still uses the complicated characters and its own set of rules.
Now this is a real issue i am not getting into. 😅
I guess I'm starting to memorize a bit better the meaning of the characters since I started to learn how to write them
Is there a tool for looking up a character you don't know? I know in japanese when you forget kanji you can look it up by spelling the word phonetically, but you can't do that with chinese, so what do you do instead?
You use pinyin or you look it up by stroke or radical family if you remember part of it. Learning the radicals is the most useful.
when i was in highschool my friend is smart hell. straight A+s every single time, every single subject. except for mandarin. he never went above C for that subject.
he's chinese.
there is a way that indirectly and efficiently helps with writing characters, its called using shape based IME. something like 行列30 is a great example: with 行列 you have: 9下(彳)1中(一)1中(一)3中(亅)=行；1中(一)7下(夕)3上(刂)=列 (shaped based IMEs will follow the same rules as handwriting: left to right and top to bottom). as soon as you start frequently using shape based IMEs you will also begin to remember the components, thus remember how to write them with hand eventually.
shape based IMEs can use CJK componet set or even more than just that, like Kangxi 康𤋮 or their own set of components like 行列30 to compose characters. the CJK component set alone is what makes over 50000 characters possible.
for me breaking them down in small pieces and writing htem helps them and just memorizing doesnt help
😮, but for me without writing practice, means I can't remember the Chinese character that I learn . At least I will write one character in one page
Not all people have character amnesia. Some really can remember.
It's better to use a spaced repetition system to practice more regularly. Skritter is amazing for this!
that was intense
Um but then you end up like me. I can read natively but cannot write enough characters to even take notes or fill out a form. And then when I got to college and wanted to take Chinese classes there were none at my level because the basic ones were well below my level and I cannot take the harder ones because I wouldn’t be able to write any exams or in-class essays.
But you could level up the writing a lot quicker than the rest of us simply because you already know the meaning and syntax. If you decided to take a course in the fall and spent the summer watching cdramas or other shows with the mandarin subs on, with maybe an hour daily writing some responses to what you watched, you would know enough to handle an intermediate class without serious problems.
I learn Kanji, but it is the Japanese variant.
I always learn a new language by listening.
I use words by words in everyday sentence.
At that point I learn how to procounce the words, how and when to use certain words.
Writing is a whole other learning process.
I think there might be a problem with the writing system there if even natives have trouble using it... I've heard somewhere that they have like 5000 characters or something like that. How do they write on paper if they can't even remember all of them?
There is 1000% a problem with the writing system. China had a really bad illiteracy problem until the mid 1900s, when they adopted pinyin
But the main reason why adults have character amnesia is because they are taught the characters in school as kids, but as adults, they type more than they handwrite. So they no longer need to memorize how to write the characters
@@hannahw7023 Ohh okay
The practice of writing is for writing, so you don't practice, you forget. Practice imporves
Yeah I can read chinese relatively well but when it comes to writing… I die
Japanese people tackle the character amnesia by using hiragana
Is common for 1st-2nd graders to randomly forget how to spell simple words. One time in kindergarten i was writing in my journal and i forgot how to spell "for" for several minutes
How will I text somebody on WeChat naturally if I forget how to compose the character and only know it because when I encounter it when reading, I am reminded?
there are two types of Chinese keyboard, one requires you the draw out a character but the other you just type the pinyin and it suggests the character for you - most of my Chinese friends use that, which is why they forget how to write characters
@@curiousitykilledthecat9933I've never seen a cdrama character using anything but Pinyin keyboard for electronic communication purposes or document preparation.
You type in pinyin, and select the character from the list of suggestions like pretty much everyone in China who isn't a competitive typist does.
Fr, I hated that as homework.
This is cool, unless you have a chinese writing exam at school like me.
Hi! Im a beginner to Chinese learning on Duolingo and ive been taught the character for water is 水 is this incorrect or is it another form of chinese? Sorry if i sound silly i think some characters are quite confusing to learn
This is a complicated language.
Even pronouncing words correctly could be a problem you are not aware of.
水 isn’t this water?
I used to can read and write chinese but after I moved away in 2nd grade I forgot how to because i havent been keeping up these past few years 😭 I'm trying to learn it back now though but it's so hard 🥲
I'm not sure if you will see this, but can learning Cangjie typing method keep you remembering how to write Chinese characters?
Since you would have to remember the radicals, you would probably remember the character better than if you just used the pinyin keyboard.
But on phones, you can download a special keyboard where you have to draw the character to input it. I would look into that!
Im just learning it for treasure hunting yamashita treasure here in Philippines
Okay, character amnesia is real, but listening is a whole different skill.
Tell people you don't understand and ask them to speak slower.
Often everything becomes clearer.
I give my children Chinese lessons and let them handle things in Chinese for me. Delegation, people.
If you don’t know how to write it ok even some of my friends forget how to write their Chinese name
But writing them down is my way of memorizing too 😢
Idc I'm still gonna write characters cuz they look cool
My teacher basically knows every Chinese word but forgot 枇杷 and then because I knew Chinese I forgot English. For example, one day when I went to school I questioned myself whether fabulous was spelled correct
Fun fact: 虾(shrimp) is a character that didn’t lose its phonetic meaning when simplifying. The traditional character of 虾 is 蝦, the 叚pronounce xiá, or pronounce jiǎ when representing 假（fake).
nicee teacher❤
Amazing, it seems easy
its true. nowadays people just type
yeah that's why we learn english. LOls
She doesn’t want people to be good in writing Chinese characters.
That makes a lot of sense
I was trying to figure out how kanji in Japanese works like "wait does it break apart?"
And yeah, it damn does
Now all I need to do is learn every part of it 😂
Finally a chinese video with no hate comments
But for hsk exams you need writing 😢
that’s super interesting
Teaching English in China, I once had a student jokingly ask "oh, do you like eating chicken?". I had only just moved to China so had no idea why he or the others were giggling or what the joke was. He then offered to each me how to write chicken during the break. In front of the class, poor 18 y/o lad forgot how to write the character, and he became the topic of the joke for the day.
This is true 当我写作文的时候不过我华语已经很差了所以有可能我是本身的问题，就是写作文的时候我有时会忘记怎样写“都”、“时”、“失”和“直”
后半句还是不错的 前半句真的有点逻辑不够通顺 希望多加练习 但中国人的确可以看得懂你的中文 加油👏
In that case do you enjoy the art of calligraphy?