Correction - I mistakenly call the Innoventions West restaurant “Pasta Piazza Ristorante” the “Pasta Pizza Ristorante”. I guess I wrote it down in the script wrong and just never noticed. So… whoops. Still an out of place name.
Pasta Piazza was a cool place (I worked there in the late 90’s) and the name makes perfect sense. All of the pasta was made at the restaurant and on stage in an area called the piazza (Italian for “the veranda of a house”) where guests could watch, hence the “pasta” and the “piazza.”
Communicore was absolutely amazing in the 90s. When computers where still a novel product, it was a great place to see the new and cutting edge in electronics.
I can remember in 1988 if you wanted to make a reservation at a restaurant in Epcot, you had to go to Communicore East and do so using a cutting edge "video" reservation system. You were actually seeing & speaking with the Disney reservation agent on a computer screen. Very cutting edge and impressive at that time..
The whole idea of a "future world" is unsustainable. Technology changes too quickly. They say we double our knowledge every 10 years. (My father who is 89, grew up listening to the radio for evening entertainment and used a horse and wagon. He didn't get a TV until the 1950s after he married. When I was young, you got cancer you died. Now they are beginning to reverse effects completely.) Look at the great strides we've made in technology. But Disney could do interesting displays that would educate as well as entertain about the future. How about a fusion reactor, display of concept cars (what do the companies do with those cars they never develop?Easy concept with built in sponsors and probably built in updates), history of a city how it's changed over time and could evolve in the future (3d models as displays), CRISPR. But again, some of these may be obsolete in 10 years.
@@IcelanderUSer Early/mid- 90s it still wasn't common in some socio-economic circles to see home computers, especially portable ones. So there was still some novelty there, for sure. It'd be hard to maintain that level of keeping up to date with the 'wow' factor now, though.
As part of Epcot Center's opening crew in the World Key Network, later named World Key Information Service, I had the opportunity to observe the construction of Future World and World Showcase prior to opening and for the next five years before moving on to another department. These were very special, formative years for me that I'll never forget and admittedly it's a little bittersweet seeing the many changes. Thank you for this tribute to what "was."
I went to Epcot last DEcember. And honestly it was very disappointing. Even my 8 year son was hardly impressed compared to Universal. I had fond memories of Epcot from the 1980's. Always have been my favorite park. But now, its just so out of touch. They ruined the beautiful pond with that monstrosity thing. There were no decent dark ride. Most are just outdated although I would have prefer if they keep the legacy ride like Horizon and that Dinosaur energy ride. It just doesnt feel like Epcot anymore.
@@stellviahohenheim More like a guy who wanted faster societal improvement but couldn't achieve it because the catalyst had to be tied to a profit based motive. Had he not tied EPCOT to a money making venture in Disney World it likely would've stayed a concept forever. Had Ron Miller not taken over and slapped the EPCOT name onto something entirely different, it would have died out after a decade as a bit of mid-century modern futurism. Which I honestly would've preferred. EPCOT as its initial idea was a product of the nuclear era that somehow landed in the '80s. That plastic surgery to update it left a very visible scar on it.
I have never been, nor wish to ever to go, to Disneyland/world but I must admit that Epcot would be the only part I would actually want to visit if all other factors were no longer an issue. I find Epcot, even as a shadow of its former self, to be fascinating as it is difficult to find such satisfyingly educational and well made exhibits.
I went to Innoventions in 2003 and remember making a cell phone and calling my best friend who was house sitting for us. I thought that was the coolest thing ever.
@@tlshortyshorty5810I was thinking in my head “oh you’re still just a kid then”…. Then i realized you’re now or will be this year old enough to drink 😵
As a 12 year old in 1998, seeing the Innoventions pavilion was mind blowing. I actually managed to convince my parents to leave me there so I could check out all the futuristic tech, videogames, and exhibits, while they went to the World Showcase. I spent almost an entire day engrossed in everything it had to offer; an experience that I know sparked my interest in all things tech that continues to this day. Imagine leaving your 12 year old in one part of the park, while you go to the complete opposite end in today's world. Truly a golden era to grow up in. It's one of those "core memories" I'll never forget.
It feels like EPCOT has become a shining example for how far WDW has fallen from it's former grandeur. I'm so glad to have visited the park back in its heyday (several times) because what I saw then still fills me with wonder for the future. Veggie, veggie, fruit, fruit. =)
Whole company is nose diving and I really don’t see WDW lasting long into the future with Florida looking to revoke Disney’s “Reedy Creek Improvement District” which would mean no future expansions or renovations without consulting Orange County and paying a lot of permit fees and taxes
@@loganbaileysfunwithtrains606 I hate the reasons why they've revoked Disney (offended conservatives), but I'm more surprised it's not happened way earlier considering it's built in the middle of an environmentally vulnerable area.
@@SockyNoob it’s not so much “offending conservatives” as it was blatant that the California based company in charge of governing a city wasn’t going to abide by Florida law, which is just obvious the issues involved with that, foreign interests and power undermining state authority is dangerous regardless of the politics involved, but I agree Disney has caused more environmental damage to the state of Florida than any other corporation or entity and they’ve paid no fees or fines in doing so leaving the taxpayer with the bill
@@loganbaileysfunwithtrains606 No bud it’s entirly becuase disney isn’t openly anti lgbt the reps don’t even try to pretend to care about how much corporate power there is untill corporations preach tolerance then they scream about them being “woke”
When I frequented the parks during the 2014-2016 time period, the corridors in innoventions west was my favorite place to escape the crowds at Epcot. It always felt like a secret spot that no one knew about because there was literally nothing there. I loved it.
Having been to Epcot in 2017 the whole park felt tired and lost. The upkeep vs. Universal was astonishing. I couldn't fault Universal at all but Epcot had paint peeling everywhere, abandoned gardening, unkept pathways everything just felt rickety and unloved. I feel the Internet and handheld tech has largely killed off the parks purpose, by the time they've built a vision, something new has come along that's more interesting and advanced. They need someone like Arthur C Clarke with a fictional but not unrealistic mind.
Disney will unfortunately never be able to keep up with the rate at which technology is advancing. I feel that they maybe have two options at this point. One is to lean heavily into the "Living with the Land/ green Cities" vibe where they go all in on architecture in the style of the proposed event space, making for what I think would be a much more timeless vision of the future that will have longer shelf life with the consumer. Option 2 (which can coincide with option 1) is for them to (as much as I hate to admit it) focus on the IP they have that is complimentary to Epcot's future focus and international vibe. The Moana thing seems to be leaning into this a bit though the quality of the execution remains to be seen.
@@kenetickups6146 very true. I wonder if right now the next "Walt Disney" is growing up before our eyes. Or maybe he's already out there trying to get people to notice his park. I think I'm gonna start looking outside Disney, it's just that's what I think of as a certain level of..I don't even know.. perfection? Guarantee? Comes with Disney parks, or atleast it used to. They made it a priority to make every guest feel like it was worth it. Seems like they just do. not. care. anymore. Time to look elsewhere, and always be inspired by Walt's vision.
@@ZeranZeran There's likely been hundreds with his style and commitment, unfortunatly when capitalism is uncontrolled all the companies lumo together and kill off any possibility of new development or competition
@@kenetickups6146 I have a feeling those special people find ways to get through, but I hear you loud and clear. This is not the land of opportunity anymore, and you'll probably get sued if you look hard enough. America needs to be made great again.
As a kid, Communicore was my favorite part of Disney World. Disney has since shifted more towards recreating the movies rather than creating original attractions.
EPCOT was my favorite park as a kid in the 80s. I will always cherish the memories of my grandparents taking me there. I feel like I was so lucky to experience that.
My first visit to EPCOT Center as a teenager in 1983 was filled with awesome experiences - especially in Communicore! Over recent years, I've seen the park suffer from an identity crisis that saddens me. Thankfully, I have videos, pictures and memories to remind me of the greatest experiences of my childhood.
I was 8 years old when we drove from Texas to visit Disney World in 1985 and I was completely awestruck at the amazing technology, cool gadgets (touch screens! WOW!), and futuristic shows at Epcot. This, along with E.T. dismantling a Speak and Spell, played a huge role in determining my future. I found a college engineering textbook at a thrift store and forced myself to decipher its contents under the covers at night with a flashlight. This made me into something of a child prodigy. I worked at Toshiba designing industrial electronics when I was 15. Today, I am a tech-based entrepreneur with a successful IT business. I've reminisced many times in the decades since, wondering how they kept Epcot relevant as technology catapulted forward. It seems that they tried, seeing this video, but I don't see it inspiring many children in the future the way it did me. That's sad, but I hope they manage to make something great out of it.
The last time I was at Epcot would have been around 92. Watching this video, particularly with the announced changes that changed seeming again and again over even the past 15 years, it just breaks my heart to see how little of the Epcot I knew even exists now and going forward. The Communicore was a HUGE deal when I went (not 92 but a previous visit) with all these new technologies, getting to talk on an actual videophone-it was like the future was just there waiting for us, such an impact in my memories. Seeing it now, and watching the Disney Parks head towards focus on their Star Wars/Marvel/Pixar IPs, while I understand it, certainly breaks the heart a little. Awesome video, thank you for much for your work on these abandoned series, you put a tremendous amount of work into them and it is so awesome. I was reminded of "Closed For Storm" which I MUST watch this weekend-thank you for your incredible hard work!
Another great video. My family has been going to WDW for decades and I am always happy to see how Disney has no qualms about closing an attraction and slapping up a construction barrier to hide what is behind. The walls can stay there for years and nothing ever happens. And does Disney cut you a break on the admission fee? Of.....course......not. They don't give a rip about anything, particularly their customers, but money. And this Chapek guy is the worst. To use a line from Ferris Bueller, "I weep for the future".
When I went to Epcot a few months ago, I was kinda wondering what that wall was for. I assumed it was for the Guardians ride, but turns out it was for this refurbishment. It's so interesting to know the context now as well as the history behind that general area, too
Thank you for making this! I always found communicore/innoventions fascinating because they were just left there for so long without many attractions. I wish they didn’t demolish them, they are such an important part of Epcot history.
It was my childhood place of dreams…. One semester away from my 3rd science degree and wish this type of place existed for my kids! It helped guide so many of us to science and tech!
I think Innoventions was my first experience in witnessing and realizing how Disney sort of just closes off or walls off areas that they have no intention or plan of doing anything with. I went to Disney pretty frequently in the 2000s and early 2010's (I actually fine vacationing there, as long as their service gets back up to that of 2019...it's still not) and I could swear every time I'd visit there would be less to see at Innoventions and more curtained off sections. A younger more naive me simply thought they were improving that section... it eventually became clear to me that's how Disney simply deals with a zone they don't want to do anything with or want anyone to see.
I'm...unsure...if this was sufficiently portrayed in this video, so I'll say my peace (piece?) here. Communicore / Innoventions was supposed to embody the core ideal of Epcot, but in a way that promoted substantive variety under two massive roofs. As such, it was always going to be a place in constant flux as new ideas and technologies were featured. Because of this, not every show was going to be a hit, nor probably intended to be, since experimentation was always at the heart of the pavilion. I remember first seeing the Segway there along with mini-shows like the house of the future. I also vividly recall an incredible motorized wheelchair that could go from a sitting to prone position at the touch of a button. It was a place that celebrated technology that may, or may not, one day find its way into the average home and/or into industrial and commercial spheres. This is PRECISELY what Epcot was intended to be. Not an IP ride-or-die dumping ground nor a jazzed-up LED-lighted forest, but a park where real and practical human advancement was front and center. I just do not understand why the Iger and no Chapek eras can't get that through their titanium skulls. This voracious and disturbingly mercenary pursuit of anything that makes just one extra dollar is going to eventually kill the spirit of the company, at least as far as Epcot is concerned.
You hit the nail on the head with this reply. Epcot was about what the world COULD be through inventive new technologies, conservation and unity and understanding of different countries and cultures. Innoventions was an enormous part of that, showcasing technologies and innovations that could improve our lives. I too remember seeing that wheelchair that could raise itself onto two wheels, I remember them demonstrating it's ability to climb up stairs, one wheel after another. It amazed me then, it's 22 years later and it still amazes me. It never saw mass production... but Epcot was about instilling this idea of hope and excitement about our future, what we can look forward to; in a word, optimism. I saw the the EV1 electric car there for the first time, audio recognition software, video calling, got to play Dreamcast games months before they hit shelves, talk to text, I played my first online game there... Innoventions was a wonderful place. It absolutely fitted in with the idea of a permanent World's Fair I think Epcot has suffered the most under the current direction Disney is going in. World showcase isn't so much about cultural diversity, it's about linking those countries with Disney IPs, Norway with Frozen, France with Ratatouille, UK with Mary Poppins....don't be surprised if a Big Hero 6 ride hits Japan's pavilion and a Mulan one in China. I think Epcot could course correct, there's almost certainly some fascinating developments and inventions that are out there that I'm sure people would be interested to see first hand.
Seeing Segways there was wild to me as a kid. My only exposure to them at that point was George W taking a header when riding one, but I had never seen on in person. Much like the computers for a lot of folks, it was also my first exposure to certain video game systems which was a big tech thrill for a kid. There was also this one plastic robot race that I had down to a science. Then all we had left was that piggy bank thing. Like real innovation when money becomes the man goal, it died a sad, strangulated death.
@@downfromtheattic I hope so much someday it does. I didn't even know Epcot existed until this year. it sounded like the happiest place on earth, no pun intended. it breaks my heart to watch it deteriorate even further
I have to agree with you there. I don't necessarily mind the idea of corporate sponsors for some of the experiences because yes, it is advertisement, but it's also a demonstration of innovation. The world's fair was always an advertisement event. Disney could lean back into this, with the stipulation that attractions be less overtly straight-up advertisements and more about education and engagement. This would give Disney an opportunity to court foreign tech companies or other innovative organizations to bring back the world's fair vibe of international inventors presenting their creations to the world. There can be semi-permanent installations complimented by seasonal or annual changes to the stuff featured in the surrounding space. They could feature transportation innovations beyond cars and really hone in on STEM. Bring back interactive labs for kids, encourage school groups to visit for field trips. There are so many options that could make the model worthwhile. I think Disney really needs to reconsider scrapping that design for the event space and commit to it and its architectural style. The nature melded with architecture vibe feels like a more timeless vision of the future that will have a much longer shelf life than some past iterations. I visited Epcot in 2023 during the flower festival during it's overlap with the food festival and that alone made it my favorite park for that particular trip. The amazing landscape work really shines in Epcot's setting, so I feel leaning into this more would be a good fit. Kind of in the vein of the green architecture of Singapore.
I have been fascinated with Disney Parks History for a long time now. I used to work in the kiosks by the Big Fountain. I knew Epcot needed an Update then, but I didn't expect it to be so drastic and so heartbreaking to see it turned into just another park. I feel like Disney goes overboard with their IPs and doesn't feel the soul each park has. This documentary really opened my eyes on how much Disney needs to go back to the roots of EPCOT. I still want that People Mover ride to go through the park. That would be cool!
This is so strange that I have been working at Epcot for 3 years and never knew this side of its history! I did a college program there in 2016 too and our breakroom was in the half-defunct Innoventions and I remember walking around like it was nothing. Thanks for sharing!
Thank you brother for always putting out A++ content! Been watching you for years and classic EPCOT has always been a fascination of mine. Really wish I could’ve seen it back in the day. Especially Horizons. Keep up the great work man! Can’t wait to see what’s next!
Very glad to see this in my suggestions. I love classic EPCOT Center and hope one day it will get the love it deserves. As in my opinion. current Epcot isn't the same especially with the current overhaul. :/
the original used to just give me butterflies when i saw it i was so used to it that walking in there 2019 was so confusing bc i didn’t get to take my normal picture infront of the fountain i’ve been taking since i was 2
I so miss the old Epcot. It was for thinkers, dreamers and innovators all wrapped around science and healthcare. Now its some horrifically dumbed done commercial mishmash to appeal to more lower class and mainstream Americans:(
I went to Communicore/Innoventions in 1995, as a 10 year old from rural Queensland, Australia I thought it, and Epcot as a whole was the most amazing thing I'd seen in my whole life. Thinking back to my memories of that trip its sad to see its fall from grace. People travel across the world to go to Epcot (and WDW as a whole) for things that they will never experience at home, or at least won't for a very long time just as I did in 1995. I can go to a shop or restaurant down the road at any time I want for a fraction of the price, the only difference is that it won't be Disney themed. A shame.
I've been fortunate enough to have annual passes a few times now. As a 3 year old, 11, 18, and 21. EPCOT has always been and probably always will be my favorite park by far. Last time I was there was 2015. This video is the first I've seen of the park since then. To see it in this state is heart breaking. There are so many fond memories that have been made around the World Showcase. I could spend all day at EPCOT and not get bored. It seems like there's a strong shift towards thrilling/exciting attractions replacing the things that were simply cool and interesting and opportunities to spend money. I really hope it can return to its former glory soon.
These exact same touchscreens were used by Sheetz restaurants in the 90’s until early 2000’s then they phased them out for flatscreens. I remember CRT touchscreens for ordering your food. That was cool. Now it’s an everyday thing.
i really appreciate talking about the pandemic in the past tense, like exposition, as though itll end one day and people who watch this in the future will have to be reminded. thank you for that little gleam of hope.
Nothing will beat sitting near innoventions with my friends drinking Starbucks and just taking it easy. Listening to that music just made me feel some type of happy you can only get from the original Epcot.
Epcot was great on paper but sort of missed the mark. If it ended up being a yearly host to CES or similar long term, it would have been really cool. I imagine guests seeing computers for the first time here would have been amazing. Makes me think of (marvels) stark expo, they could/should have leaned into something similar, at least for a section of the park.
You mention GM and a few of their concepts that were once featured in Innoventions. Since GM has had a long standing relationship with Disney, they've been lent a number of concept vehicles as well as real vehicles like the EV1. I have for a fact, seen one in old footage and I am SUPER curious if it went directly back to GM since (if you know EVs) they were all rounded up and crushed after the leasing period had ended or if Disney has it somewhere in storage. It's a little abandoned tidbit within an episode of abandoned!
I love the EV1 so much and wish they never crushed it. Would be a super fun project car in an alternate timeline. I remember seeing it advertised even in the early 2000's.
Congrats on Episode 70! Found your channel back when you had around 20k, and your change overtime has been astonishing. This is probably one of my favorites of yours.
Super interesting!! The one time I’ve been to Disney/Epcot was in 2008, and I remember the area feeling disjointed (and *gulp* somewhat uninteresting). This explains it perfectly!!
I was at Epcot in November, and the walking paths at the front of the park were way too small because of all the construction. I’m glad I now know what all the construction was about!
"You'll never guess where we're calling from!" Talking on a wrist phone sounds like a good idea...until everyone is doing it--or you have to hold your arm up for a 20 minute phone call.
Communicore East & West were interesting, relaxing and an excellent overflow area to get away from heat and crowds. The original buildings should have remained and just compartmented for temporary exhibits, similar to a convention center. One idea which never went anywhere was using the rooftops closest to World Showcase for dining and laser/fireworks viewing. Excellent video. Thank you. P.S. If you have any video and/or images of the early 80s to 90s WDW Village area including the Club Lake Villas, Fairway Villas, Treehouse Villas and Marketplace, that would be great. I went in 84 & 85 staying at the Club Lake Villas, 87 at the Treehouse Villas and in 95 at the Fairway Villas. I loved the peacefulness and amenities of the area and the extensive roaming/exploring with golf carts.
Innoventions was so amazing for any 90s kid - they had all the new gadgets/electronics and every single video game console of the times. You could walk up and just play them for free - talk about addicting, my mom and dad had to drag me out of there haha. It meant more to us because they rarely ever bought us a new console or new game.
As someone that never experienced original EPCOT but has heard SOOOOO much about it, this was an incredible video at putting everything together in one place.
Oh my god. Seeing the way they gutted out the original buildings just hurts. Even the concept drawings, you can tell they were trying to honor Walt and still make it look like Epcott, with different pavillions. They turned it into a dead shopping center. I love old Disney so much, and the more I learn about new Disney, the more disgusted I am and want nothing to do with that company. I'd literally rather PayPal some money to the people that built the original and tell them how much their work meant to me and inspired me. The concept artwork for Epcot (City, and Park) has been a huge inspiration to me, and I think it always will be. They need to show some respect to Walt, but they never will. RIP Disney magic. This just seems like a horrible business model for them too. Almost seems like they're self sabotaging so they have an excuse to shut down the parks and go "FULL DIGITAL". Imagine being only able to visit Disney in VR.. that's the future they want.
I remember going to Epcot in 1987 and revisited it back in 2003 . I was able to see the original and the first update. The big round sculpture in the middle has always been iconic to Epcot Center!
"A car that never needs gas... See a bathroom that cleans itself in the home of the future. Talk on a phone you wear on your wrist!" *Looks down at apple watch* *Looks out the window at Telsa driving down the street* Why the hell can't my bathroom clean itself yet!!???
EPCOT has always been different to me, in that for it to be successful, you really need to have someone leading that park who stays on the bleeding edge of technology, because it doesn’t take long before some of these exhibits start to look and feel outdated- the space needs constant exhibit maintenance in a way most of the other parks don’t need it. When you don’t have a team leading that park to develop an actual vision, you end up with a bunch of paid corporate sponsorships that vary in quality.
The problem with Epcot, ultimately, is that it wanted to be what was essentially a science museum/discovery centre, but with “exhibits” that were orders of magnitude more expensive to maintain and update. Disney might have more money to throw around then your average non-profit museum organisation but they also don’t have the enough of a motive to spend that money on educational activities that don’t really make much of a profit. Plus, I’m not sure whether a educational theme park is actually a good concept to begin with - there’s a reason why “theme park-like” is used as a derogatory term when talking about other media because theme park rides - even those by Disney, have very vapid, surface-level storytelling that’s often an afterthought. The entertainment value of a thrilling ride is always going to win out over offering a slower, more educational experience that’s ultimately a lot less exciting. Modern non-profit museums can sometimes find it hard to find the right balance, a for-profit company with a background in entertainment is going to find it significantly harder.
I remember visiting Innoventions. One of the attractions we saw was a demonstration of an Alladin/Magic Carpet themed virtual reality ride. Which at that time was really futuristic.
I remember doing that there too. It was eventually moved to DisneyQuest as well as a rollercoaster you could design and then ride. Unfortunately that closed also. As a kid, I was inspired by the Communicores. It had the potential to be the best science museum anywhere.
During my college program Innoventions was in its waning years and eventually closed to the public a couple of months before my college program ended but since part of the building as a who was being used the innoventions building stood. Our backstage area was behind Innoventions and during the last couple of months I was allowed through Innoventions to get backstage. I loved being able to push those doors open and walk through- I will always remember innoventions fondly for that reason!
My kids loved the Glidden colortopia. It was a nice air conditioned space that was rarely busy. Last time i was there in march 2020 things were under construction.
Got to see Communicore in August 1993. Went thru Exxon, saw the Computer Central show and marveled when I exited it on an upper level overlooking a good part of Communicore East. Despite getting to Epcot around noon, we rode every attraction! I think Body Wars had the longest line we waited in. The Original Journey Into Imagination had a line too!!
I understand even after the demolition of Inno West that the tunnels underneath are still intact. So new buildings should line up with access points along that route. It’s a big horseshoe-shaped tunnel that spans under both sides of this whole area.
The Sum Of All Thrills ride looks like it was an updated version of the roller coaster creator and simulator that was in Disney Quest--that particular ride option was certainly fun in 2001 but there was also room for updates and improvements. Also really wish they'd kept the windows. The dark interiors were a lot like walking into a casino; spend money and don't think about what time it is because you can't see the outside light.
During the parks 35th anniversary, the back end of Innoventions West (near the seas building) was used for the pop up anniversary shop with the rest of the building used for the hours long line. It was very weird walking by all the walls and still being able to see many of the mock up houses and even clearly see the row of video games shown at roughly the half way mark of the video (heck, i don't even think those were even behind a rope at the time). Small foot note from me aside, it was very cool to look back at what was as I have no recollection of anytime spent inside of Innoventions during my first few trips to epcot. Thank you Jake for making another great video.
The restaurant wasn't named pasta pizza, it was pasta piazza as seen on the pictures. Piazza means square or plaza in English. It would be pasta plaza on a literal translation.
It amazes me how much of Disney's parks sit empty and how long it takes their projects to be completed. Meanwhile, seems like Universal very wisely uses up all the space it can and constantly has something new and exciting. A festival center seems like it'd be a clever and pretty easy idea- sometimes it's so hot that some of the food festivals are hard to enjoy in the Florida heat, sun and humidity. Not to mention the daily rainstorms in the summer.
Yeah I always felt that the CommuniCore buildings where EPCOT’s Main Street USA…and you just DON’T demolish anything on Main Street USA. The CommuniCore West building could have just been gutted and turned into a festival space, which would have been much cheaper than what they’re doing now. In the end we’ll probably just end up with a patch of grass and tents.
I've been to Disneyworld twice: in 2014 and 2018. I never even knew there were exhibits in the former Communicore area, never stepped inside in my 2014 visit, and only stumbled on the Colortopia exhibit in 2018 because (like so many others) I was desperate to get out of the heat and humidity. I remember wondering why there weren't more things around, but after watching so many of your Epcot videos it makes a lot more sense. Epcot has sooo much potential, and I really hope it gets the budget and vision to capitalize on it some day.
I know spending money on big centerpieces is obviously counterproductive when you're strapped for cash, but I think Disney has lost a lot of the original spirit of Epcot over time. When it was built it's architecture was meant to be a showcase of the future, not just the attractions the buildings housed. Now more than ever it's pretty much impossible to keep up with the rapid rate at which technology is advancing, not to mention that anything you can show them is something they could easily access information about or see online. The seemingly scrapped design for the event space feels like a step in the right direction for Epcot. Its beautiful and innovative and feels fresh. I hope they they reconsider doing away with it and bring it back. Epcot could really benefit from something so new and eye-catching, and it also feels like its design could set the tone of the future development of Epcot moving forward.
18 visits to disney, we always frequented Epcot every time we went and probably went 3 times within the week. to see what it became is almost gut wrenchingly sad but there feels like you skipped a good ton of the exibits. i dont blame you, its a lot of stuff.
Love the incredible quality of your videos! As a former cast member, this is the Communicore that I remember in the late 80s. As a tour guide, I would sometimes go hang out in the World Key control center. Does anyone remember an Imagineering show that was in the building near Starbucks, maybe in the 2010s?
I have never been to EPCOT, and these days I have no desire to visit theme parks, so I doubt I will ever see it. However, the concept and history interest me. If I had been to EPCOT in the 1980s, I'm sure I would have loved the Communicore buildings, especially the computer-related exhibits. I'm not surprised that it has run into trouble over the years and has strayed from its original purpose, as it doesn't sound like a highly profitable concept since recurring costs would have to be astronomical in order to keep everything up to date. However, the general idea lives on elsewhere, on a more modest scale, in science centers and similar museums in many cities. These typically public or non-profit institutions are able to stick more closely to the educational mission. Many strive to add entertainment value to their educational exhibits to help attract visitors and hold the attention of children. I have seen this done well. I wonder if some of the designers of these exhibits might have visited EPCOT during its golden age and gained some inspiration from it.
Hey Jake, I've loved your videos since you started in 2014! You should do a video on Stitch's Great Escape since that's been closed for 4 years and is still sitting empty and abandoned. Believe it or not, I'm the ride's biggest fan and will miss it for years to come!
@@Luisneospied Ya, it's been gutted and there have been rumors of what will replace it but nothing has been announced or come to fruition. I wish it would come back, but I know it's gone for good unfortunately.
my oldest son is 12, we have went to Disney multiple times and that was always his favorite ride. He carried a stitch plush around for years, I was sad to see that ride go.
@@mcfarlandbrothers2209 Aw, that's nice. It's always great to see I'm not the only one that loved that attraction! I hope he gets another attraction someday, he's so popular he deserves one!
Innoventions in Disneyland, Anaheim suffered the same fate. The entire concept of Innoventions is great on paper but the attraction ended up becoming the entire opposite of what it was supposed to be. A room of the most dated technology possible. In Disneyland they temporarily turned the building into a Star Wars store/MCU character meet and greet area, but it's totally abandoned again. That building is a rotating stage, I feel like it could benefit from having a show like the Carousel of Progress in it's place, or just bring it back since that was the attraction there originally.
Correction - I mistakenly call the Innoventions West restaurant “Pasta Piazza Ristorante” the “Pasta Pizza Ristorante”. I guess I wrote it down in the script wrong and just never noticed. So… whoops. Still an out of place name.
Sounds like a very bad generic name for an Italian restaurant. As an Italian I'd be wary of eating there. Lol.
Pasta Piazza was a cool place (I worked there in the late 90’s) and the name makes perfect sense. All of the pasta was made at the restaurant and on stage in an area called the piazza (Italian for “the veranda of a house”) where guests could watch, hence the “pasta” and the “piazza.”
@@kevinjohnsoncoaching I mean, if they made good food I'd try it. It just seems like the name leaves a bit to be desired.
We just like to hear your voice.
It's okay. We forgive you.
Communicore was absolutely amazing in the 90s. When computers where still a novel product, it was a great place to see the new and cutting edge in electronics.
I remember it being the first time I touched a laptop (an IBM lenovo, I think); blew my mind as a kid.
I can remember in 1988 if you wanted to make a reservation at a restaurant in Epcot, you had to go to Communicore East and do so using a cutting edge "video" reservation system. You were actually seeing & speaking with the Disney reservation agent on a computer screen. Very cutting edge and impressive at that time..
The whole idea of a "future world" is unsustainable. Technology changes too quickly. They say we double our knowledge every 10 years. (My father who is 89, grew up listening to the radio for evening entertainment and used a horse and wagon. He didn't get a TV until the 1950s after he married. When I was young, you got cancer you died. Now they are beginning to reverse effects completely.)
Look at the great strides we've made in technology. But Disney could do interesting displays that would educate as well as entertain about the future. How about a fusion reactor, display of concept cars (what do the companies do with those cars they never develop?Easy concept with built in sponsors and probably built in updates), history of a city how it's changed over time and could evolve in the future (3d models as displays), CRISPR. But again, some of these may be obsolete in 10 years.
Computers were more a novelty in the 80s. By the 90s computers were very common.
@@IcelanderUSer Early/mid- 90s it still wasn't common in some socio-economic circles to see home computers, especially portable ones. So there was still some novelty there, for sure. It'd be hard to maintain that level of keeping up to date with the 'wow' factor now, though.
As part of Epcot Center's opening crew in the World Key Network, later named World Key Information Service, I had the opportunity to observe the construction of Future World and World Showcase prior to opening and for the next five years before moving on to another department. These were very special, formative years for me that I'll never forget and admittedly it's a little bittersweet seeing the many changes. Thank you for this tribute to what "was."
World Key was so amazing at the time!
Watch Poseidon entertainments video on Epcot, you would like it if you’d like this
I went to Epcot last DEcember. And honestly it was very disappointing. Even my 8 year son was hardly impressed compared to Universal. I had fond memories of Epcot from the 1980's. Always have been my favorite park. But now, its just so out of touch. They ruined the beautiful pond with that monstrosity thing. There were no decent dark ride. Most are just outdated although I would have prefer if they keep the legacy ride like Horizon and that Dinosaur energy ride. It just doesnt feel like Epcot anymore.
@@PatriciaFreddy - Sadly, the reason it doesn't feel like Epcot anymore is because...it's Not Epcot anymore.
They destroyed it long ago.
@@PatriciaFreddy Monstrosity thing? What do you mean?
Man Epcot is a goldmine for abandoned attractions. They’re doin my favorite park dirty.
Meh, it's just Walt Disney playing God /King
@@stellviahohenheim More like a guy who wanted faster societal improvement but couldn't achieve it because the catalyst had to be tied to a profit based motive. Had he not tied EPCOT to a money making venture in Disney World it likely would've stayed a concept forever. Had Ron Miller not taken over and slapped the EPCOT name onto something entirely different, it would have died out after a decade as a bit of mid-century modern futurism. Which I honestly would've preferred. EPCOT as its initial idea was a product of the nuclear era that somehow landed in the '80s. That plastic surgery to update it left a very visible scar on it.
It got outdated fast dude it needs an update
@@Brandon-qd2lb that's what happens when you build a park based on the future. The future always comes and always before you expect it.
I have never been, nor wish to ever to go, to Disneyland/world but I must admit that Epcot would be the only part I would actually want to visit if all other factors were no longer an issue. I find Epcot, even as a shadow of its former self, to be fascinating as it is difficult to find such satisfyingly educational and well made exhibits.
I went to Innoventions in 2003 and remember making a cell phone and calling my best friend who was house sitting for us. I thought that was the coolest thing ever.
I was born that year
@@tlshortyshorty5810I was thinking in my head “oh you’re still just a kid then”…. Then i realized you’re now or will be this year old enough to drink 😵
@@ryanb4940i was born in '06 and i'll be voting this year 😮💨
I spent the past 20 years thinking Innoventions was a fever dream. Thank you.
As a 12 year old in 1998, seeing the Innoventions pavilion was mind blowing. I actually managed to convince my parents to leave me there so I could check out all the futuristic tech, videogames, and exhibits, while they went to the World Showcase. I spent almost an entire day engrossed in everything it had to offer; an experience that I know sparked my interest in all things tech that continues to this day. Imagine leaving your 12 year old in one part of the park, while you go to the complete opposite end in today's world. Truly a golden era to grow up in. It's one of those "core memories" I'll never forget.
Same here
@@teresaarnold5357 It really was amazing. First time I saw an "HD" big screen tv was there.
It feels like EPCOT has become a shining example for how far WDW has fallen from it's former grandeur. I'm so glad to have visited the park back in its heyday (several times) because what I saw then still fills me with wonder for the future. Veggie, veggie, fruit, fruit. =)
Whole company is nose diving and I really don’t see WDW lasting long into the future with Florida looking to revoke Disney’s “Reedy Creek Improvement District” which would mean no future expansions or renovations without consulting Orange County and paying a lot of permit fees and taxes
If creator could see what disney park has become, he would be pissed.
@@loganbaileysfunwithtrains606 I hate the reasons why they've revoked Disney (offended conservatives), but I'm more surprised it's not happened way earlier considering it's built in the middle of an environmentally vulnerable area.
@@SockyNoob it’s not so much “offending conservatives” as it was blatant that the California based company in charge of governing a city wasn’t going to abide by Florida law, which is just obvious the issues involved with that, foreign interests and power undermining state authority is dangerous regardless of the politics involved, but I agree Disney has caused more environmental damage to the state of Florida than any other corporation or entity and they’ve paid no fees or fines in doing so leaving the taxpayer with the bill
@@loganbaileysfunwithtrains606 No bud it’s entirly becuase disney isn’t openly anti lgbt
the reps don’t even try to pretend to care about how much corporate power there is untill corporations preach tolerance then they scream about them being “woke”
When I frequented the parks during the 2014-2016 time period, the corridors in innoventions west was my favorite place to escape the crowds at Epcot. It always felt like a secret spot that no one knew about because there was literally nothing there. I loved it.
What's up Jake! Congrats on your 70th episode - you're a bright spot on TH-cam. Thanks so much for doing such great work.
That means a lot, thank you!
Having been to Epcot in 2017 the whole park felt tired and lost. The upkeep vs. Universal was astonishing. I couldn't fault Universal at all but Epcot had paint peeling everywhere, abandoned gardening, unkept pathways everything just felt rickety and unloved. I feel the Internet and handheld tech has largely killed off the parks purpose, by the time they've built a vision, something new has come along that's more interesting and advanced. They need someone like Arthur C Clarke with a fictional but not unrealistic mind.
Disney will unfortunately never be able to keep up with the rate at which technology is advancing. I feel that they maybe have two options at this point. One is to lean heavily into the "Living with the Land/ green Cities" vibe where they go all in on architecture in the style of the proposed event space, making for what I think would be a much more timeless vision of the future that will have longer shelf life with the consumer. Option 2 (which can coincide with option 1) is for them to (as much as I hate to admit it) focus on the IP they have that is complimentary to Epcot's future focus and international vibe. The Moana thing seems to be leaning into this a bit though the quality of the execution remains to be seen.
When I was a child, I could not imagine a more magical experience than going to Disneyland.
As an adult, the place is a living freaking nightmare...
Amen. I love Disney history, I hate what Disney has become, and the people running it disgust me now.
@@ZeranZeran I agree, but i mesn walt isn’t something you can repeat, a rich person who cares about anything other than money is one in a million
@@kenetickups6146 very true. I wonder if right now the next "Walt Disney" is growing up before our eyes. Or maybe he's already out there trying to get people to notice his park. I think I'm gonna start looking outside Disney, it's just that's what I think of as a certain level of..I don't even know.. perfection? Guarantee? Comes with Disney parks, or atleast it used to. They made it a priority to make every guest feel like it was worth it. Seems like they just do. not. care. anymore. Time to look elsewhere, and always be inspired by Walt's vision.
@@ZeranZeran There's likely been hundreds with his style and commitment, unfortunatly when capitalism is uncontrolled all the companies lumo together and kill off any possibility of new development or competition
@@kenetickups6146 I have a feeling those special people find ways to get through, but I hear you loud and clear. This is not the land of opportunity anymore, and you'll probably get sued if you look hard enough. America needs to be made great again.
As a kid, Communicore was my favorite part of Disney World. Disney has since shifted more towards recreating the movies rather than creating original attractions.
Same here! LONG LIVE SMRT-1!
EPCOT was my favorite park as a kid in the 80s. I will always cherish the memories of my grandparents taking me there. I feel like I was so lucky to experience that.
I feel the same, but mid 90s for me.
I worked at Stargate Restaurant in the very late 80's. Communicore (and the rest of EPCOT) was a wonder at the time.
My first visit to EPCOT Center as a teenager in 1983 was filled with awesome experiences - especially in Communicore! Over recent years, I've seen the park suffer from an identity crisis that saddens me. Thankfully, I have videos, pictures and memories to remind me of the greatest experiences of my childhood.
You should post those videos on TH-cam!!! Would be so cool to see that :)
I was 8 years old when we drove from Texas to visit Disney World in 1985 and I was completely awestruck at the amazing technology, cool gadgets (touch screens! WOW!), and futuristic shows at Epcot. This, along with E.T. dismantling a Speak and Spell, played a huge role in determining my future. I found a college engineering textbook at a thrift store and forced myself to decipher its contents under the covers at night with a flashlight. This made me into something of a child prodigy. I worked at Toshiba designing industrial electronics when I was 15. Today, I am a tech-based entrepreneur with a successful IT business.
I've reminisced many times in the decades since, wondering how they kept Epcot relevant as technology catapulted forward. It seems that they tried, seeing this video, but I don't see it inspiring many children in the future the way it did me. That's sad, but I hope they manage to make something great out of it.
i wasnt even born yet.
i wasn't even born yet.
i wasn't even born yet.
The last time I was at Epcot would have been around 92. Watching this video, particularly with the announced changes that changed seeming again and again over even the past 15 years, it just breaks my heart to see how little of the Epcot I knew even exists now and going forward. The Communicore was a HUGE deal when I went (not 92 but a previous visit) with all these new technologies, getting to talk on an actual videophone-it was like the future was just there waiting for us, such an impact in my memories. Seeing it now, and watching the Disney Parks head towards focus on their Star Wars/Marvel/Pixar IPs, while I understand it, certainly breaks the heart a little. Awesome video, thank you for much for your work on these abandoned series, you put a tremendous amount of work into them and it is so awesome. I was reminded of "Closed For Storm" which I MUST watch this weekend-thank you for your incredible hard work!
Another great video.
My family has been going to WDW for decades and I am always happy to see how Disney has no qualms about closing an attraction and slapping up a construction barrier to hide what is behind. The walls can stay there for years and nothing ever happens. And does Disney cut you a break on the admission fee? Of.....course......not. They don't give a rip about anything, particularly their customers, but money. And this Chapek guy is the worst. To use a line from Ferris Bueller, "I weep for the future".
When I went to Epcot a few months ago, I was kinda wondering what that wall was for. I assumed it was for the Guardians ride, but turns out it was for this refurbishment. It's so interesting to know the context now as well as the history behind that general area, too
same. went to Epcot in November and was curious about the changes... .Excied!
I love seeing old footage of then-new technology. So nostalgic. Great video!
Another fascinating video Jake. I'm so happy to see another new one in the "Abandoned" series.
Thank you for making this! I always found communicore/innoventions fascinating because they were just left there for so long without many attractions. I wish they didn’t demolish them, they are such an important part of Epcot history.
Of course I hope you like the video!
Would love to go back in time and see Epcot at it's most popular time.
It was my childhood place of dreams…. One semester away from my 3rd science degree and wish this type of place existed for my kids! It helped guide so many of us to science and tech!
It was truly an amazing place to spend the day. Impossible to put into words.
THAT WAS 1984
I think Innoventions was my first experience in witnessing and realizing how Disney sort of just closes off or walls off areas that they have no intention or plan of doing anything with. I went to Disney pretty frequently in the 2000s and early 2010's (I actually fine vacationing there, as long as their service gets back up to that of 2019...it's still not) and I could swear every time I'd visit there would be less to see at Innoventions and more curtained off sections. A younger more naive me simply thought they were improving that section... it eventually became clear to me that's how Disney simply deals with a zone they don't want to do anything with or want anyone to see.
I'm...unsure...if this was sufficiently portrayed in this video, so I'll say my peace (piece?) here. Communicore / Innoventions was supposed to embody the core ideal of Epcot, but in a way that promoted substantive variety under two massive roofs. As such, it was always going to be a place in constant flux as new ideas and technologies were featured. Because of this, not every show was going to be a hit, nor probably intended to be, since experimentation was always at the heart of the pavilion.
I remember first seeing the Segway there along with mini-shows like the house of the future. I also vividly recall an incredible motorized wheelchair that could go from a sitting to prone position at the touch of a button. It was a place that celebrated technology that may, or may not, one day find its way into the average home and/or into industrial and commercial spheres.
This is PRECISELY what Epcot was intended to be. Not an IP ride-or-die dumping ground nor a jazzed-up LED-lighted forest, but a park where real and practical human advancement was front and center. I just do not understand why the Iger and no Chapek eras can't get that through their titanium skulls. This voracious and disturbingly mercenary pursuit of anything that makes just one extra dollar is going to eventually kill the spirit of the company, at least as far as Epcot is concerned.
You hit the nail on the head with this reply. Epcot was about what the world COULD be through inventive new technologies, conservation and unity and understanding of different countries and cultures. Innoventions was an enormous part of that, showcasing technologies and innovations that could improve our lives. I too remember seeing that wheelchair that could raise itself onto two wheels, I remember them demonstrating it's ability to climb up stairs, one wheel after another. It amazed me then, it's 22 years later and it still amazes me. It never saw mass production... but Epcot was about instilling this idea of hope and excitement about our future, what we can look forward to; in a word, optimism. I saw the the EV1 electric car there for the first time, audio recognition software, video calling, got to play Dreamcast games months before they hit shelves, talk to text, I played my first online game there... Innoventions was a wonderful place. It absolutely fitted in with the idea of a permanent World's Fair
I think Epcot has suffered the most under the current direction Disney is going in. World showcase isn't so much about cultural diversity, it's about linking those countries with Disney IPs, Norway with Frozen, France with Ratatouille, UK with Mary Poppins....don't be surprised if a Big Hero 6 ride hits Japan's pavilion and a Mulan one in China. I think Epcot could course correct, there's almost certainly some fascinating developments and inventions that are out there that I'm sure people would be interested to see first hand.
Seeing Segways there was wild to me as a kid. My only exposure to them at that point was George W taking a header when riding one, but I had never seen on in person.
Much like the computers for a lot of folks, it was also my first exposure to certain video game systems which was a big tech thrill for a kid. There was also this one plastic robot race that I had down to a science.
Then all we had left was that piggy bank thing. Like real innovation when money becomes the man goal, it died a sad, strangulated death.
@@downfromtheattic I hope so much someday it does. I didn't even know Epcot existed until this year. it sounded like the happiest place on earth, no pun intended. it breaks my heart to watch it deteriorate even further
Exactly all of this…
I have to agree with you there. I don't necessarily mind the idea of corporate sponsors for some of the experiences because yes, it is advertisement, but it's also a demonstration of innovation. The world's fair was always an advertisement event. Disney could lean back into this, with the stipulation that attractions be less overtly straight-up advertisements and more about education and engagement. This would give Disney an opportunity to court foreign tech companies or other innovative organizations to bring back the world's fair vibe of international inventors presenting their creations to the world. There can be semi-permanent installations complimented by seasonal or annual changes to the stuff featured in the surrounding space. They could feature transportation innovations beyond cars and really hone in on STEM. Bring back interactive labs for kids, encourage school groups to visit for field trips. There are so many options that could make the model worthwhile.
I think Disney really needs to reconsider scrapping that design for the event space and commit to it and its architectural style. The nature melded with architecture vibe feels like a more timeless vision of the future that will have a much longer shelf life than some past iterations. I visited Epcot in 2023 during the flower festival during it's overlap with the food festival and that alone made it my favorite park for that particular trip. The amazing landscape work really shines in Epcot's setting, so I feel leaning into this more would be a good fit. Kind of in the vein of the green architecture of Singapore.
Your abandoned videos always put a smile on my face!
Thanks for the shoutout Jake!! 😃
I have been fascinated with Disney Parks History for a long time now. I used to work in the kiosks by the Big Fountain. I knew Epcot needed an Update then, but I didn't expect it to be so drastic and so heartbreaking to see it turned into just another park. I feel like Disney goes overboard with their IPs and doesn't feel the soul each park has. This documentary really opened my eyes on how much Disney needs to go back to the roots of EPCOT.
I still want that People Mover ride to go through the park. That would be cool!
Have always loved several of those WDW songs that you used in the background.. It just screams vintage EPCOT. Great video.
This is so strange that I have been working at Epcot for 3 years and never knew this side of its history! I did a college program there in 2016 too and our breakroom was in the half-defunct Innoventions and I remember walking around like it was nothing. Thanks for sharing!
I don’t know why I’m so in love with your videos and abandoned buildings I don’t know why?! New sub! ❤️
Thanks so much!
BSF's content has been on a whole nother tier lately thanks Jake for your uploads all these years
I really do appreciate your support. Thanks for watching and I’m glad I’ve been able to make this content for you!
IM SO HAPPY YOU STILL DO THIS
Thank you brother for always putting out A++ content! Been watching you for years and classic EPCOT has always been a fascination of mine. Really wish I could’ve seen it back in the day. Especially Horizons. Keep up the great work man! Can’t wait to see what’s next!
Very glad to see this in my suggestions. I love classic EPCOT Center and hope one day it will get the love it deserves. As in my opinion. current Epcot isn't the same especially with the current overhaul. :/
the original used to just give me butterflies when i saw it i was so used to it that walking in there 2019 was so confusing bc i didn’t get to take my normal picture infront of the fountain i’ve been taking since i was 2
I so miss the old Epcot. It was for thinkers, dreamers and innovators all wrapped around science and healthcare. Now its some horrifically dumbed done commercial mishmash to appeal to more lower class and mainstream Americans:(
I went to Communicore/Innoventions in 1995, as a 10 year old from rural Queensland, Australia I thought it, and Epcot as a whole was the most amazing thing I'd seen in my whole life. Thinking back to my memories of that trip its sad to see its fall from grace. People travel across the world to go to Epcot (and WDW as a whole) for things that they will never experience at home, or at least won't for a very long time just as I did in 1995. I can go to a shop or restaurant down the road at any time I want for a fraction of the price, the only difference is that it won't be Disney themed. A shame.
I've been fortunate enough to have annual passes a few times now. As a 3 year old, 11, 18, and 21. EPCOT has always been and probably always will be my favorite park by far. Last time I was there was 2015. This video is the first I've seen of the park since then. To see it in this state is heart breaking. There are so many fond memories that have been made around the World Showcase. I could spend all day at EPCOT and not get bored. It seems like there's a strong shift towards thrilling/exciting attractions replacing the things that were simply cool and interesting and opportunities to spend money. I really hope it can return to its former glory soon.
It’s my fave park too cause we’re the same age
EPCOT has always been my favorite WDW park, I’m so scared of what it’ll end up looking like after it’s “done”, with Bob Paycheck in charge
Bitching about Chapek has become a tired, overused cliche by people who want to feel like they are part of the club. It's lazy.
@@chizdippler8496 Reddit moment
What dies WDW stand for?
@@Leanne-mw8nm Walt Disney World
@@Jazzy_Waffles OH ofcourse WDW stands for Walt Disney World 🌎!!
In my fictional world, this place never gets abandoned and still successful
These exact same touchscreens were used by Sheetz restaurants in the 90’s until early 2000’s then they phased them out for flatscreens. I remember CRT touchscreens for ordering your food. That was cool. Now it’s an everyday thing.
i really appreciate talking about the pandemic in the past tense, like exposition, as though itll end one day and people who watch this in the future will have to be reminded. thank you for that little gleam of hope.
I was at Epcot when it was still new. This was amazing to watch.
Learning this history of Epcot is so amazing! I cannot wait to see you do more about Disney hopefully in the future!
Nothing will beat sitting near innoventions with my friends drinking Starbucks and just taking it easy. Listening to that music just made me feel some type of happy you can only get from the original Epcot.
Your intro always make me laugh. The menacing sound, and the stark title card. Immediately followed by “What’s up guys?” In the most jovial tone.
Amazing episode Jake! I really loved seeing that you used footage from Futureport 82.
Epcot was great on paper but sort of missed the mark. If it ended up being a yearly host to CES or similar long term, it would have been really cool. I imagine guests seeing computers for the first time here would have been amazing. Makes me think of (marvels) stark expo, they could/should have leaned into something similar, at least for a section of the park.
What the hell, that’s a perfect idea
the timing of this episode is amazing as i’m literally going to epcot in a few days
Have fun!
Enjoy :) been going since 95, and it will always be my second home.
Fantastic work. I absolutely loved it and found it a fantastic walk done memory lane. Well done.
Thanks for watching!
You mention GM and a few of their concepts that were once featured in Innoventions. Since GM has had a long standing relationship with Disney, they've been lent a number of concept vehicles as well as real vehicles like the EV1. I have for a fact, seen one in old footage and I am SUPER curious if it went directly back to GM since (if you know EVs) they were all rounded up and crushed after the leasing period had ended or if Disney has it somewhere in storage.
It's a little abandoned tidbit within an episode of abandoned!
I love the EV1 so much and wish they never crushed it. Would be a super fun project car in an alternate timeline. I remember seeing it advertised even in the early 2000's.
Congrats on Episode 70! Found your channel back when you had around 20k, and your change overtime has been astonishing. This is probably one of my favorites of yours.
More Disney please! We love you here at dca keep up the great work
Horizons coming next!
"Shuttered and unused" has been the theme of Epcot for the last 20 years.
Super interesting!! The one time I’ve been to Disney/Epcot was in 2008, and I remember the area feeling disjointed (and *gulp* somewhat uninteresting). This explains it perfectly!!
I really hope they bring back the idea for the festival center with the rooftop park because that would be amazing for so many reasons..
Hey Morgan Shepard
I was at Epcot in November, and the walking paths at the front of the park were way too small because of all the construction. I’m glad I now know what all the construction was about!
Jake ur tha man! Love this channel definitely my favorite
Just when i think i know a lot about epcot something new pops up! One of the most interesting parks in the world! Another amazing video jake!
16:09 I just love how one of the pavillions just says cool stuff
"You'll never guess where we're calling from!" Talking on a wrist phone sounds like a good idea...until everyone is doing it--or you have to hold your arm up for a 20 minute phone call.
Now you see people walking around talking with wireless earbuds and not even holding the phobe
Communicore East & West were interesting, relaxing and an excellent overflow area to get away from heat and crowds. The original buildings should have remained and just compartmented for temporary exhibits, similar to a convention center. One idea which never went anywhere was using the rooftops closest to World Showcase for dining and laser/fireworks viewing.
Excellent video. Thank you.
P.S. If you have any video and/or images of the early 80s to 90s WDW Village area including the Club Lake Villas, Fairway Villas, Treehouse Villas and Marketplace, that would be great. I went in 84 & 85 staying at the Club Lake Villas, 87 at the Treehouse Villas and in 95 at the Fairway Villas. I loved the peacefulness and amenities of the area and the extensive roaming/exploring with golf carts.
Innoventions was so amazing for any 90s kid - they had all the new gadgets/electronics and every single video game console of the times. You could walk up and just play them for free - talk about addicting, my mom and dad had to drag me out of there haha. It meant more to us because they rarely ever bought us a new console or new game.
As someone that never experienced original EPCOT but has heard SOOOOO much about it, this was an incredible video at putting everything together in one place.
Innoventions was the first look I had at the future televisions we have today. It was pretty mind blowing at the time.
Oh my god. Seeing the way they gutted out the original buildings just hurts. Even the concept drawings, you can tell they were trying to honor Walt and still make it look like Epcott, with different pavillions. They turned it into a dead shopping center. I love old Disney so much, and the more I learn about new Disney, the more disgusted I am and want nothing to do with that company. I'd literally rather PayPal some money to the people that built the original and tell them how much their work meant to me and inspired me. The concept artwork for Epcot (City, and Park) has been a huge inspiration to me, and I think it always will be. They need to show some respect to Walt, but they never will. RIP Disney magic. This just seems like a horrible business model for them too. Almost seems like they're self sabotaging so they have an excuse to shut down the parks and go "FULL DIGITAL". Imagine being only able to visit Disney in VR.. that's the future they want.
I remember going to Epcot in 1987 and revisited it back in 2003 . I was able to see the original and the first update. The big round sculpture in the middle has always been iconic to Epcot Center!
"A car that never needs gas... See a bathroom that cleans itself in the home of the future. Talk on a phone you wear on your wrist!"
*Looks down at apple watch*
*Looks out the window at Telsa driving down the street*
Why the hell can't my bathroom clean itself yet!!???
They have a self cleaning toilet but it’s not that good and hasn’t really taken off. But you’re right!
EPCOT has always been different to me, in that for it to be successful, you really need to have someone leading that park who stays on the bleeding edge of technology, because it doesn’t take long before some of these exhibits start to look and feel outdated- the space needs constant exhibit maintenance in a way most of the other parks don’t need it. When you don’t have a team leading that park to develop an actual vision, you end up with a bunch of paid corporate sponsorships that vary in quality.
The problem with Epcot, ultimately, is that it wanted to be what was essentially a science museum/discovery centre, but with “exhibits” that were orders of magnitude more expensive to maintain and update. Disney might have more money to throw around then your average non-profit museum organisation but they also don’t have the enough of a motive to spend that money on educational activities that don’t really make much of a profit.
Plus, I’m not sure whether a educational theme park is actually a good concept to begin with - there’s a reason why “theme park-like” is used as a derogatory term when talking about other media because theme park rides - even those by Disney, have very vapid, surface-level storytelling that’s often an afterthought. The entertainment value of a thrilling ride is always going to win out over offering a slower, more educational experience that’s ultimately a lot less exciting. Modern non-profit museums can sometimes find it hard to find the right balance, a for-profit company with a background in entertainment is going to find it significantly harder.
The "former road to tomorrow leading, well, nowhere", not just quite symbolic for the future of Innoventions, but symbolic for the future of America.
Jake, you do some amazing work, my friend!
Thank you so much!
Watching all these disney videos makes me happy that I experienced Disney World as a kid at the end of the 80s.
I remember visiting Innoventions. One of the attractions we saw was a demonstration of an Alladin/Magic Carpet themed virtual reality ride. Which at that time was really futuristic.
I remember doing that there too. It was eventually moved to DisneyQuest as well as a rollercoaster you could design and then ride. Unfortunately that closed also. As a kid, I was inspired by the Communicores. It had the potential to be the best science museum anywhere.
I remember seeing that on a vacation video then did it in person, awesome experience :)
During my college program Innoventions was in its waning years and eventually closed to the public a couple of months before my college program ended but since part of the building as a who was being used the innoventions building stood. Our backstage area was behind Innoventions and during the last couple of months I was allowed through Innoventions to get backstage. I loved being able to push those doors open and walk through- I will always remember innoventions fondly for that reason!
My kids loved the Glidden colortopia. It was a nice air conditioned space that was rarely busy. Last time i was there in march 2020 things were under construction.
Got to see Communicore in August 1993. Went thru Exxon, saw the Computer Central show and marveled when I exited it on an upper level overlooking a good part of Communicore East. Despite getting to Epcot around noon, we rode every attraction! I think Body Wars had the longest line we waited in. The Original Journey Into Imagination had a line too!!
I understand even after the demolition of Inno West that the tunnels underneath are still intact. So new buildings should line up with access points along that route. It’s a big horseshoe-shaped tunnel that spans under both sides of this whole area.
I never really went to Innoventions as a kid but I really miss the science/technology vibe that Epcot used to have. That's what made Epcot unique.
The Sum Of All Thrills ride looks like it was an updated version of the roller coaster creator and simulator that was in Disney Quest--that particular ride option was certainly fun in 2001 but there was also room for updates and improvements.
Also really wish they'd kept the windows. The dark interiors were a lot like walking into a casino; spend money and don't think about what time it is because you can't see the outside light.
During the parks 35th anniversary, the back end of Innoventions West (near the seas building) was used for the pop up anniversary shop with the rest of the building used for the hours long line. It was very weird walking by all the walls and still being able to see many of the mock up houses and even clearly see the row of video games shown at roughly the half way mark of the video (heck, i don't even think those were even behind a rope at the time). Small foot note from me aside, it was very cool to look back at what was as I have no recollection of anytime spent inside of Innoventions during my first few trips to epcot. Thank you Jake for making another great video.
Great work Jake!
Thanks!
I am SO EXCITED for this, thank you for blessing us with a 28 min video 🙌🏼
The restaurant wasn't named pasta pizza, it was pasta piazza as seen on the pictures. Piazza means square or plaza in English. It would be pasta plaza on a literal translation.
Yeah that’s my bad
It amazes me how much of Disney's parks sit empty and how long it takes their projects to be completed. Meanwhile, seems like Universal very wisely uses up all the space it can and constantly has something new and exciting. A festival center seems like it'd be a clever and pretty easy idea- sometimes it's so hot that some of the food festivals are hard to enjoy in the Florida heat, sun and humidity. Not to mention the daily rainstorms in the summer.
Im a simple man. I see abandoned, i click abandoned
Always a pleasure to see a new upload for the Abandoned series!
Yeah I always felt that the CommuniCore buildings where EPCOT’s Main Street USA…and you just DON’T demolish anything on Main Street USA. The CommuniCore West building could have just been gutted and turned into a festival space, which would have been much cheaper than what they’re doing now. In the end we’ll probably just end up with a patch of grass and tents.
I've been to Disneyworld twice: in 2014 and 2018. I never even knew there were exhibits in the former Communicore area, never stepped inside in my 2014 visit, and only stumbled on the Colortopia exhibit in 2018 because (like so many others) I was desperate to get out of the heat and humidity. I remember wondering why there weren't more things around, but after watching so many of your Epcot videos it makes a lot more sense. Epcot has sooo much potential, and I really hope it gets the budget and vision to capitalize on it some day.
It’s so laughable watching what was planned vs what we got for epcot in 2024
I know spending money on big centerpieces is obviously counterproductive when you're strapped for cash, but I think Disney has lost a lot of the original spirit of Epcot over time. When it was built it's architecture was meant to be a showcase of the future, not just the attractions the buildings housed. Now more than ever it's pretty much impossible to keep up with the rapid rate at which technology is advancing, not to mention that anything you can show them is something they could easily access information about or see online. The seemingly scrapped design for the event space feels like a step in the right direction for Epcot. Its beautiful and innovative and feels fresh. I hope they they reconsider doing away with it and bring it back. Epcot could really benefit from something so new and eye-catching, and it also feels like its design could set the tone of the future development of Epcot moving forward.
18 visits to disney, we always frequented Epcot every time we went and probably went 3 times within the week. to see what it became is almost gut wrenchingly sad but there feels like you skipped a good ton of the exibits. i dont blame you, its a lot of stuff.
New Abandoned, let's go! Always look forward to your content man.
Love the incredible quality of your videos! As a former cast member, this is the Communicore that I remember in the late 80s. As a tour guide, I would sometimes go hang out in the World Key control center. Does anyone remember an Imagineering show that was in the building near Starbucks, maybe in the 2010s?
LOL "I think it ties the whole room together". great Office quote
I have never been to EPCOT, and these days I have no desire to visit theme parks, so I doubt I will ever see it. However, the concept and history interest me. If I had been to EPCOT in the 1980s, I'm sure I would have loved the Communicore buildings, especially the computer-related exhibits. I'm not surprised that it has run into trouble over the years and has strayed from its original purpose, as it doesn't sound like a highly profitable concept since recurring costs would have to be astronomical in order to keep everything up to date. However, the general idea lives on elsewhere, on a more modest scale, in science centers and similar museums in many cities. These typically public or non-profit institutions are able to stick more closely to the educational mission. Many strive to add entertainment value to their educational exhibits to help attract visitors and hold the attention of children. I have seen this done well. I wonder if some of the designers of these exhibits might have visited EPCOT during its golden age and gained some inspiration from it.
Oh no, this needs an update!! I was there 2023, in February. The new Guardians of the Galaxy ride in Epcot was AMAZING.
Hey Jake, I've loved your videos since you started in 2014! You should do a video on Stitch's Great Escape since that's been closed for 4 years and is still sitting empty and abandoned. Believe it or not, I'm the ride's biggest fan and will miss it for years to come!
Really? they still haven't replaced that ride?
@@Luisneospied Ya, it's been gutted and there have been rumors of what will replace it but nothing has been announced or come to fruition. I wish it would come back, but I know it's gone for good unfortunately.
my oldest son is 12, we have went to Disney multiple times and that was always his favorite ride. He carried a stitch plush around for years, I was sad to see that ride go.
@@mcfarlandbrothers2209 Aw, that's nice. It's always great to see I'm not the only one that loved that attraction! I hope he gets another attraction someday, he's so popular he deserves one!
This was so well done! I went there often 1996-2006 so that's exactly how I remember Epcot
Innoventions in Disneyland, Anaheim suffered the same fate. The entire concept of Innoventions is great on paper but the attraction ended up becoming the entire opposite of what it was supposed to be. A room of the most dated technology possible. In Disneyland they temporarily turned the building into a Star Wars store/MCU character meet and greet area, but it's totally abandoned again. That building is a rotating stage, I feel like it could benefit from having a show like the Carousel of Progress in it's place, or just bring it back since that was the attraction there originally.
I went into Inoventions once. They told me I couldn't bring my Starbucks drink in so I left and walked around the World Showcase instead.