Steam Deck Gets Even Better: 40-60Hz Support, VRS, Refined Acoustics - Tested!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 มิ.ย. 2024
- The latest Steam Deck update has arrived, and with it some exciting new features - including the ability to set the refresh rate between 40Hz and 60Hz while in-game and variable rate shading support. Alex goes hands-on to test out these new features work, and how a new fan profile has affected the Steam Deck's thermals, noise and performance in version 3.2.
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Huge thanks to Alex and DF for covering Steam Deck in such a wide capacity!
Wide coverage for a wide device. 😋
Agreed!
Thanks for the Steamdeck coverage. I don’t have one, but it’s good to watch how it’s progressing.
Wow it's Karl! Love your India videos man. Best wishes!
I watch ur vids
I didn't expect you here.
Hey PewDiePie what are you doing here?
Namaste :)
Honestly the 40hz update is game changing. 40fps vs 30fps is a huge difference.
It's half the latency between 30 and 60. (30fps is 33ms of lag, 40fps is 25ms and 60fps is 16ms)
Yes, was very surprised when I experienced 40fps in Miles Morales, much better than 30
@@KarlDag spiderman fidelity mode + VRR is the best way to play spiderman(4k ray tracing with framerate up to 60fps) and hopefully in future they can make a framerate more stable
@@wizzenberry he means it's halfway in-between. 30FPS is 33.33ms per frame. 60FPS is 16.66ms per frame. The midpoint between those two values is 25ms per frame, which is what you get with 40FPS.
@@KarlDag Finally can you ppl have been laughing at me for years for saying the exact thing when FF15 came out the 30fps actually made me sick and the game was poorly optimized it wasn't till the special k mod where I could cap it at 45fps it made a world of difference but apparently I was stupid is what most comments said
The new fan curve seems like it makes a major difference when you are not maxing it out. That's great stuff!
Didn't really notice a difference, but my fan wasn't really noisy to start with as it's a later model with the egger fan, sadly it does seem to be running much hotter is which is a concern, hopefully we'll get a fan mode selector asap for silent or performance modes.
40hz feels like a decent enough compromise for perceived smoothness and battery life.
Yes, having actual variable refresh rate display would be the best option for low-power systems, but this is probably the next best thing.
And, 48 fps/48 hz is the next input latency half-way point, between 40 and 60, for those interested.
@@Substat1c Frametimes middle point between 30 and 60 fps is actually 40.
@@DrKrFfXx000000000000 Yes. And, I was stating the half-way between 40 and 60, hence, "next". Edited to clarify. :)
Especially after how Alex presented it. You hear 40hz and you are "uhmmm.. maybe not?" but after this video most will be "Ok, I`m in".
Keep the Steam Deck coverage coming Alex. Imho it is one of the most revolutionary pieces of hardware in many years.
Love mine! It's like a dream product! emulates everything up to Switch near flawlessly and runs modern pc games really well too!
Totally agree, I adore mine.. I haven’t seen anything yet it cant do… I mean I’ve got Final Fantasy 15 running on average-high settings at a locked 45 fps. Or God of War running at max settings at a locked 30 fps.. I absolutely loveee this thing!
@@danquaza9275 Im curious about the battery life how long can you play those games for on your settings?
@@MrEvol94 that's a incredibly poorly worded statment. It won't do ps3 or 360 or vita or wii or OG xbox or wii it may not do ds or 3ds and won't do many switch games
I love mine… but I wouldn’t call it revolutionary lol
The only thing i can say is that i put GTA V at 45hz and got almost 3.5 hr of battery life, and the game feeled smooth as butter. Amazing.
It's odd that they called it Variable Rate Shading in the settings menu when it's not "variable-rate" at all. Half Rate sounds like it does 1 shade per 2 fragments, but from the video it looks like 1 shade per 4 fragments (2x2, so 50% on each axis; quarter rate shading).
Although perhaps it isn't working properly for deferred shaded games? If it's global half-rate shading then the deferred resolve itself would be at half-rate and you'd probably lose all that crisp geometry that this technique is supposed to preserve.
It might be worth checking out how it looks on a forward rendered game that has high-contrast, sharp geometry, and seeing if it looks nicer in that situation.
You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Ray tracing and VRS are not the same thing, they're completely different things that are unrelated. Try getting an education
@@Hybred What are you talking about? He didn't mention RT anywhere.
I wanted to say that they might look at depth attachment, but I looked it up, they don't.
So you are probably right about forward rendered games.
@@Hybred I’d make a sympathetic response into how you are misunderstanding the original comment but you insulting OP’s intelligence is pretty low and greasy. Get a grip, son. Go tell your mother you love her on this mother’s day.
@@raresmacovei8382 I'm guessing someone else responded first and then deleted their comment after they realized it made no sense. Happens a lot on youtube.
Great video. I've felt the depth of videos decrease a little over the past few months, but this is outstanding: deep and concise.
Thank you Alex, your "smaller" video goes into more detail than other folks full video features. Again, thanks.
Very nice of you to keep covering the Deck when new "game changing" features come into play!
Steam deck seems like a great piece of hardware, and the amount of creativity in the software for tweaking and getting the best performance out of it keeps growing. I am wondering how much more powerful and what kind of tricks they will put together for a next gen steam deck as they mature the platform.
lmao what a Tim Rogersian move there with the Doom Shotgun sound effect at the end of that Maximum Overdrive segment xD. Great video as always, Alex!
The part whose temperature was flying closest to the sun, as I recall from GN's coverage, was the charge controller, not the APU or RAM.
8:41 This is huge, it's like a limited freesync, but still useful. Also really really clever what you did at 11:02, kudos for that.
Great investigation, thank you for your work!
This was very in-depth & informing. Thanks
I love the Steam Deck coverage. Such an exciting device
Great video - I love the Steamdeck content. Hoping for much more!
I'm super impressed by the way you managed to show the difference between 30/60 and 40/40 Hz in a video! Great idea
What about 30hz 30 fps cap. I'm going to play elden ring on the steam deck and want to get a stable 30fps at high. I'm hoping this and fsr 2.0 comes to elden ring.
Sorry if I'm misunderstanding the tech involved u quit PC gaming ages ago had a bunch of bad experiences but valve has sold me. Just watched all of digital foundry and Linus tech tips coverage and put my reservation on April 3 after q3 😭😭 😭😭😭 just couldn't justify reserving something until I saw software reviews.
I love how no-BS and "to the point" this is. I like this guy and his output
Great coverage, Alex
Lovely to see how well it is being supported
This is an amazingly well explained and visualized tech review, keep it up, Alex, you've gained a fan!
40hz is a win/win in my book. Much smoother than 30 and way easier on battery life. I don't even have to think twice to know that's the setting for me when my Deck arrives next month.
I have had my deck for 2 day. I love it so far. Keep the videos coming.
I'm supposed to get mine sometime between July and September. Kinda excited!
Mine just came in. Excited to play around with it.
It's just so refreshing when a company is actually listening to it's customers for once
I've heard this so many times in the gaming industry it's hilarious at this point
Companies underdeliver and patch in later all the time and they usually get slaughtered for it.
@@lasarousi but this time Valve is the one actually doing it
@@RockLoi Kind of an odd take for an OS or software dev in general. It's not like it was broken at launch or anything. For a game, you can make a case that it should've been more optimized or that something is bugged, but like do people think that Valve can just never release it until? There's always going to have something to improve or add, you know?
@@Ayoul Who said anything about games? Hardware comes out underbaked all the time: phones, handhelds, consoles, security equipment, etc. They all get judged on their bugs and lack of features, and are almost always followed up with subsequent patches.
I have a preorder in that comes up in October and this news makes it much more interesting. I had doubts about jumping in but I’m leaning towards going for it.
Nice video. Thanks for clearing out the doubts
40hz mode is just perfect, I'm not even missing 60 fps
I agree. Probably the closest thing to perfect balance between performance, battery life, and graphical goodness.
120hz is perfect, 60hz is good but 40hz is far from perfect but feels okay if you're used to 30fps.
But definitely it's a good option for mobile hardware.
@@vandammage1747 no shit Sherlock
@@vandammage1747 120hz isn't perfect either if you're going to be pedantic about it. ideally we'd have 1000hz screens so that even if you miss a frame render window, the next one is just 1 millisecond away so the microstutter become an effectively imperceptible nanostutter
@@GraveUypo actually 120hz is perfect . There are no perceptual difference in smoothness beyond 120hz with VRR.
1000hz screens would be a complete waste of ressources, only purpose would be to get a few milliseconds input advantage in competitive play. You can't feel it but it's there.
That's why 4K120 will be the gold standard in gaming. 8K is pointless and beyond 120hz is pointless too.
love this update. cant wait to receive mine in a few weeks
Nice shout out to Tim Rogers at 3:29, Jerry!
More steam deck content is always welcome
Amazing video, great content!!!
Excellent video great explanation Thank you
Really dang cool. I agree!
Excellent More Steam Deck coverage Pls.
Valve NEEDS to allow us to set our performance profiles per game.
And set a global profile for some buttons. For example, I'd like to globally map the back buttons to ABXY (even in the SteamOS UI) and only change it for specific games.
Hey Alex, big fan of DF. As someone in video production the mic is supposed to slot in the metal loop on the mic clip. With it pointing at your throat like that you’re getting a lot of muddy frequencies. If for some reason the mic has to be like that, I would use a parametric eq in Premiere to lower those muddy frequencies a couple dbs.
You see... They are testing the new TCM system (Throat-Cutting Microphone) so that, in the here and now, they can capture more frequencies.
Man seeing the way this thing is evolving so quickly, I'm really regretting waiting so long to order... now I have to wait until sometime "October or later" to get mine :-(
Ebay scalper prices is always an option....not the best option but if you really want one now its there
Wow, I'm surprised they added the refresh rate feature. It's the next best thing to VRR. I imagine most games will probably be able to consistently hit 40hz without having to drop settings so this is a great feature.
You can really cutdown on the noise of the fan, by simply stacking some strips of electrical tape inside the case, under where the steam logo is on the back. This applies pressure to the fan and reduces the high pitch noise. This does not affect thermals and is easy to do yourself. Valve are looking into doing something like this for all Steam Decks in the future.
Nice to see the Turok games getting some love! ❤️
Thanks for this content!
Being able to set the refresh rate to any arbitrary integer in the 40-60Hz range is awesome! Not even just in the gaming department. On so many devices, film and PAL TV look a bit rough due to 23.976 and 25/50fps being displayed at 60Hz respectively. Fan curve change is also cool - perhaps they could let the user customise it, within reason?
Thx for explaining the 40hz trick, on my low end PC I play visually demanding games at 37fps locked, which is half my monitors refresh rates, which feels far smoother then 30fps/60hz/75hz
Do you just cap the fps with something like RTSS, or use adaptive sync at half refresh rate? I've been playing at 50 fps vsync locked at 50hz on my laptop to keep temps and power budget down, while still having a butter smooth framerate. I have tried 30fps vsync locked at 30hz on a TV but it is not smooth at all. Unfortunately all my monitors can't go lower than 50hz so this 37fps locked on 75hz looks quite appealing to me if sufficiently smooth.
Going to write down here in case other people read this whole thing and are interested. In the end I tried it myself and it's ok! Clearly better than 30hz, it does not have that choppiness, still not the smoothest when the game is super fast paced, but it also depends on the vsync. I am finding out that nvidia vsync is trash, driver 512.15, it's always on the edge of tearing. Anyway, with some in-game motion blur it should be totally fine. To achieve the smoothest 37fps on a 75hz refresh rate, nvidia gpu, I've set adaptive sync at half refresh rate, and then with nvidia inspector I changed the tearing control from adaptive back to standard. Games like Microsoft Flight Simulator are going to be butter smooth at this framerate.
I would love tô see a comparative performance test between every current Handheld Gamming PC currently available from DF
Those new fan profiles sounded amazing! My deck just arrived, and it's really noisy in idle to low usage.
IM LOVING THESE FEATURES HOLY CRAP i cant wait for mine
It's cool to see such rapid development of the system, shows there willing to take risk and push forward.
It's always sad when parts/systems are pushed out as static objects frozen in time with no new developments, only to push out a new revision that might as well have been a firmware update.
Steam Deck should have had VRR, period.
More Steam Deck content? YES!
6:05 as someone who has had gaming laptops for a loooooong time, I don't see a problem with that either. As long as it i sin-spec and the handrest areas are kept comfortably cool enough.
there are games that seems very choppy at 30 fps and games that are very optimized for that, but what we really need is some sort of dynamic resolution feature to mantain that sweet 40-60 hz spot. Those games with built-in dynamic res really show the best performance of the Deck
That's what I'm noticing with Wolfenstein The New Order. It just looks horribly janky at any capped framerate under 60. I'm just wondering why it does that and how to fix it, because I actually prefer battery life over 60fps.
I am so looking forward to this update. My Steam Deck is ready!
absolutely right alex, valve is doing so good with updates for the deck. loving games at 45 fps on the deck!
Great video. What is the brand of the fan inside the Deck? It seems to be less high pitched than mine.
Valve often adds features half-baked and refines them later (ask a SteamVR user), so maybe "VRS" will actually be good in a month or two.
Refresh rate selection might be a game changer considering that different levels in certain games have very variable performance. For example metro exodus in the forest level a little late in the game has immensely more gpu load than any other level in that game. Cap it to 30 in a level that is demanding then change it to 40 when out of it. You will need to know which areas are demanding tho...
2022 is going to be the year of 40 Hz/FPS! :D I've been gaming at 50 Hz/FPS on my PC (thank you PAL) for several years in games where I couldn't reach 60. 40 offers another level and more options is good in this area!
It's a shame that the screen isn't variable refresh rate capable, since that would completely fix the jitter issue (but arguably consume the most battery). However it's really a nice consolation price that you are no longer stuck in 60hz land. For the European friends, 50hz matches the old PAL refresh rate, for which their eyes will no doubt get a surprisingly nostalgic blast from the past. For those who visit the cinemas often, 48hz is the frequency at which projectors flicker at (although some cheap models do use 60hz/50hz lamps and the high tier ones flicker at 72hz).
Display refresh rate's psychological and physiological effects have been so forgotten since we all got stuck in the HDMI standard since the LCD revolution, but this is such a nice and unexpected comeback! Just remember some old wisdom from the CRT era tho: the lower the refresh rate the higher the chance to experience headaches. At 85hz or higher almost zero percent of people experiences headaches from a display's flickering lights. Thus, assuming that this panel is doing the double frequency trick to prevent headaches, I would not recommend setting it at less than 43hz.
Actully variable refresh was being implemented in laptops as a battery saving feature before it became what it is. It makes senser the screen running at a lower hz would need less power. Maybe the problem is no companies actully offer a small lcd screen with vvr
red and orange graphs? if I may suggest; use 2 distinctly different colours that are colour-blind friendly!
01:47 VRS Shading: Variable Rate Shading Shading.
Yeah, gg there Alex :D
Love the progress this device is making. I will probably skip on this one but excited to see what's in store for a SD2.
SD2 may never be available if everyone would skip SD1 ..also it may come in 5 -10 years or never in future.
@@deepfakestudio7776 I think a lot of people will still buy one. I got a RTX 3080 laptop last year so that kind of covers my mobile around the house use cases but I'm rooting for it to take off.
The refresh rate change could bea huge game changer for emulation too. It would mean you could do a native refresh rate for both PAL and NTSC if they set it up correctly.
I love how the Steam Deck is bringing so much awareness to various different aspects of gaming performance.
FPS isn't everything and I hope the increased public exposure to these aspects indirectly leads to better performing games.
Tell that to Playstation fans...
Linux support is exploding because of it, I saw a lot of companies like AMD and Microsoft really pushing out drivers for it now. We might actually see a 1:1 gaming experience between Windows and Linux within the next 10 years.
Stop riding valve's nutsack. 30hz was ALWAYS going to the default for battery life ANYWAY, regardless of the performance. Steam Deck should have had VRR, period. Adjustible refresh rate is just a way to shore up this weak point after the fact, and something that used to come standard on PC monitors all the time.
@@mightylink65 I do remember seeing a talk where Linus Torvalds predicted that Valve would be one of the biggest upcoming "needle movers" for Linux and it seems he was absolutely right
@@mightylink65 What if the deck resurrected the SteamBox?
Nice. I just put my Deck down after playing with the refresh rate, opened TH-cam and this video was just uploaded.
I've been using 40/40 almost exclusively since the beta dropped, even on games that would happily run at 60. It's a perfect sweet spot for me. There were reports that the input latency was massively increased with the arbitrary caps, would be interested to know if you guys have found the same. It feels OK to me, but haven't been playing anything critical.
I have been playing rogue legacy 2 (which is very twitchy) and no issues. I saw someome "test" it in that game and claim 100ms latency but I'm calling that bs
Yes, the input latency is a lot higher with the artificial limiter than it is if you limit refresh rate. The reason being how Gamescope does the limiting right now. It should be improved, but currently 30fps limited in-game (on The Witcher 3) has around 1/2 the input latency than 30fps limited by Gamescope (yes, I measured them using a 960fps camera).
@@Drivenby You likely saw my tests, which keep getting reposted all around. They are absolutely accurate, but it’s worth noting there is only significant input latency when using the Steam Deck’s OS-level framerate limiter, not simply changing the refresh rate of the screen.
Rogue Legacy 2, when uncapped, actually has incredibly low latency. A lot of people have not actually read through my report or data, and are simply parroting clickbait headlines, which is honestly frustrating.
@@Drivenby it’s not. It’s math.
Been playing the Batman Arkham games and 40 is beautiful. Especially for the unsupported Arkham Asylum while running on the latest proton
4:33 Surprise F Word! At least that sounded like that to me.! :)
Apparently there are two kinds of fans used in production, one is quieter than the other. Mine doesn’t make that kind of high pitch whine noise even at full power.
Lucky you. If you ever open your deck, please note the model and serial of the fan. It could be helpful to identify which batches are good.
It's an interesting compromise to say the least. I remember after insomniac put out that 120hz/40fps mode for R&C I went ahead and tested 40fps in a bunch of PC games and yeah, it's definitely has enough of an edge over 30 to bother with if you can't hit 60. Being accustomed to 60-144hz minimum at this point means 40 still looks relatively choppy to my eyes but I can definitely acknowledge the improvement.
Great videos as always, wait ! What did you just say about my mom at the end ? 🤨
Man, Alex's background music game is on point. These tunes are fire!
I don`t think we as a gaming community appreciate this video enough right now. This entire update with especially 40-60hz options along with great explanation from Alex about positives and negatives IS a game changer. This video will be reffered to multiple times for years.
My concern with these high temperatures is not degradation of the chips, but the degredation of the battery. As you know, batteries degrade much faster under heat. How does this fan curve affect battery temperatures? I'd like to see an analysis
15:00 I definitely notice the flashing though when you go down to 40hz. Is that noticeable when you're playing or just mostly when you're filming it? Because if so, that would kinda drive me nuts.
Hi Alex, thanks for the great video!
I have a question and will try to be as straight to the point as possible:
- Even though I am quite experienced in the PC gaming world, I'm quite overwhelmed by all the settings to tinker with on the SteamDeck. Resolution, FSR, change Hz, lock FPS, lower TDP.. Then there's in-game settings.. etc etc.
The question: If I'd like to target 40 fps on any game, what would you recommend to use as a 'standard' guideline to, step by step, get the most battery performance out of the Deck? What should I do first?
It can be so confusing because there are too many combinations.. For example, I can use FSR, but do I lower the in-game framerate to 720p + lower GPU clock, or to 480 without lowering GPU? This is just an example but is there step-by-step plan of action to follow to get a decent optimization in most cases?
Sry for the long message! I love DF's videos, even though I don't understand all of it :)
Much love from Netherlands ✌
Alex, you are a mathematics madman with those 15/30 and 20/40 DVI recordings. Bravo, simple idea to achieve that desired complex demonstration.👍
That whistling is absolutely criminal.
This is where I'd share my experience on my Steam Deck... IF I HAD ONE! Q3 so very far away. But love the coverage all the same.
Always very informative crazy to think that 10 more FPS from 30 feels like the half way point of 60 and 30fps
math, baby
So.....45
@@cameronh3260 you have to look at frame times not frame rate you look at how consistent each frame is sent out in milliseconds so at 60 frames per seconds (1000 Milliseconds=1 second) 1000ms/60fps = each frame is sent at around 16ms at 30fps it's 33ms why is 40 fps feel like 45 it's because if you add up 33ms+16ms =49 divide by 2 =24.5 Milliseconds the same as saying 1000ms/40fps=25 milliseconds
I'm looking forward to these coming to the stable branch
Nobody should worry about the increase in temperature. I will take that over a loud fan anyday. As long as the temperature isn't getting above 88c then you're good. Thermal throttling doesn't really start to show itself until you hit over 90c
I unlocked framerate on Trek to Yomi and I recorded 85°C on CPU and 90°C on GPU. The fan was out of control.
Grips remained cool but the middle was hot.
I really hope Valve can include all the nice features like FSR and framerate caps when they finally release SteamOS 3 for desktop PCs.
So there is no way to make the screen 30hz with 30 frame cap simultaneously at the same time be really cool if they added that really awesome video as always
Great video
The new microphone is great!
That fan noise is a definite improvement. I'll probably cap at 30fps to save battery.
Definitely a night and day improvement. I wonder if it was just something that slipped under their radar since they were able to fix it so quickly
@@ADreamingTraveler probably like the analog stick drift being a software issue and not a hardware issue. Just a lot of tweaks as things are found beyond their initial testing I imagine?
I think the adjustable refresh is fantastic. For games where I can't quite get to a locked 60, I can usually get a locked 40 without too much compromise. I think the best example I've noted so far is dishonored 2. I just couldn't get a locked 60 unless I turned the quality way down...even with FSR. But I can run it at native 800p, no FSR, high settings at an almost completely locked 40 FPS. It feels great, no quite 60 but significantly better than 30, and in a game like dishonored 2 40 FPS is just fine.
I cant wait to get mine im going to have some fun tinkering around. I do hope that Valve keep on supporting the Steam Deck though and don't just abandon it.
Alex has got an impressive SCAR there!
I presumed that the screen could technically support VRR since the refresh can be changed at that range and I wouldn't be surprised if VRR would be added in an update. I figured they haven't have it yet due to the software itself not working properly with the drivers they have. Not a hardware or software expert, but with the display being able to dynamically change refresh like that for a modern display should be able to do VRR on a hardware level.
I don't think it's possible, but not an expert either. Valve delayed the release of this beta because they were getting the black screen time down when switching refresh rates. Right now, it's about 1/4 of a second. It doesn't update on the fly, only when you stop sliding the slider and at that point there's a blink of black screen.
I guess you can do the 40hz trick in a monitor, i never considered it before but for someone using a Ryzen IGPU or a 1030 could be a game changer, I'm surprised I've never heard of this.
Some people used to do this some years ago. But now almost everyone has a VRR monitor, even the cheap 1080p monitors usually support it. Also monitor over/under clocking is not exactly user friendly.
There it is, variable rate refresh. So so badly needed
I was wondering why Alex looked a bit different here. Took me a min to figure out it's just due to the camera position being a little bit lower than normal lol.
This is also good for emulation where a lot of pal games for old consoles run at 50 hz
With the noise and me only getting one late in 2022, I was more and more thinking to let the Steamdeck be. By that time it's outdated more, summer has passed and if it's still with issues like a noisy fan...
... but they bring me right back in with updates like this :). The refresh-rate settings is just awesome thinking.. "We can't do proper VRR with the driver support right now, but what if we let the user just choose any ordinary refreshrate and make sure our framepacing matches?'.
Doesn't make sense to cancel a preorder regardless if you ask me. If you get it and don't like it then you can always just resell and get your money back at minimum. These things won't be readily available until 2023 if that at this rate.
@@rla9889 The preorder cost me (next to) nothing. If I don't want it when it's my turn in queue, it's always better to just say 'no', than to say 'yes', pay money, and then hope to sell it and get your money back? You must be really foolish and/or desperate to buy a Steamdeck at more than what Valve is asking for. You can get one at Valve's price, just if you have some patience. It's not like GPUs a year ago, where you don't even know you will ever get another chance to get one :).
I know it functions differently as you’re changing the screen refresh rate, but maybe a lot of press on this topic will finally convince game devs to put 40fps modes in their games like ratchet did. I can’t believe we haven’t seen a single other game do it yet.
It's hardware specific, as you can clearly see. Not everyone has a 120Hz TV or monitor.
Great video, but I think one extra thing you could have added was a test on actual input latency at the various FPS caps. A lot of us have noticed there seems to be massive input lag using any FPS cap.
I keep hearing about this and do want to know about it. Waiting on a Q3 unit, it'd be great to have these things addressed before it shows up.
Love my steam deck