I bought a z650 back in may it was stolen in June. It was the perfect motorcycle. All the fun you could ask for super practical for every day as well. I miss it everyday.
@@sarag1158 My first and actual is a Z125, but with a B licence, It count as a first bike? 😂 I'm starting the teory of the A2 license and I'm looking for a "second bike". My 125 has less than a year, do you still recomend this Z650? I hear a lot saying its better 400/500ds. What do you think?
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I love the way the bike looks. Would have picked up a 2020 if the white scheme was available in the U.S. for that year, but it looks like they're bringing it back for 2021. This one is definitely on my short list for my next bike once I'm done with my Z400.
I bought the 2020 Ninja 650. Love the TFT and the plastics are actually pretty easy to remove. I handle all my services and added the auxiliary power port immediately. Im keeping it.
A month ago I went on a 500 mile trip and the vibrations weren't bad.... honestly didn't even notice them. Did a 500 mile return trip a few days after the initial and.... still not really feeling the vibrations at highway/interstate speeds. The wind was killer thought because u know. I'd 100% recommend this bike to anyone. I'm 5'11 at 190 and its plenty capable.
After a year, do you still recommend this bike? I got a used ninja 400 and want to upgrade to this 650, but the vibration on N4 is annoying, dont know how it feel on this 650
@@Ntthaibk I honestly don't notice the vibrations. Compared to dirt bikes and a honda shadow i've ridden, the vibrations are almost none existent. Still recommend the bike.
I’ve testridden the 2020 z650 and the gearbox feels amazing . When these guys keep talking about it, I get it. It is very precise and feels very good in comparison to the other 600-700 cc bikes
In the questions parts somebody asked wheelies: yes, plenty. "Shockingly good". I will say: told ya. (Yammie disagreed) Especially for the price, and there are deals around! Vibrations at hwy speed, about 5.5k rpm, oh yeah, especially on the connection between your legs and the tank. Handlebar vibrations improved for me with bar end mirrors. Throw on a touring windshield, it becomes bearable. also looks get a bit better. Brakes: great, agree. Ergos: it's specifically target at lower riders, it's just not made for you. Kawasaki offering for people your size is the Versys. I had no problems with dash readability but it's a bit dated. Infos are all there though. For comparison, an MT09 which is otherwise an almost flawless motorcycle (all things considered) lacks range information and that's fucking annoying. City: I found it exceptional, zero complaints. Perfect city bike. I have a history of owning all the bikes with the worse throttle response so I tuned my hand instead of the bike ;) Negative? Yeah totally lawnmower sound. However, livable as is. This to me it's either a "transition bike", the second one you keep for 2 seasons, or a "grown man" bike, where you have tried everything and you now want something really reasonable, low maintenance, that goes fast but won't kill you, and at that point of your motorcycle life you probably don't want an aftermarket muffler.
@William Halder Athony (VTI.D9) I had a 2017. Brakes were good. Same level as you would expect from a 900-1000cc naked bike, so not GREAT in the context as an R1 or Panigale brakes are outstanding, but in the context as it's significantly superior to its peer in the mid-size naked bikes crop (SV650, MT-07, etc). It helps the fact that suspensions are also very well sorted and the braking is very stable thanks to the limited fork dive. All of this: considering its class. Of course it pales in comparison to, like, a KTM Superduke.
@William Halder Athony (VTI.D9) have you considered a versys 650 as a commuter instead? Same engine, most of the same very good characteristics, but with space for groceries. Doubles as excellent tourer.
@William Halder Athony (VTI.D9) you should just flat foot on one side and don't even try to touch both. keep your right foot on peg and brake, put down the left by shifting your butt. The most stable position for the bike is on 3 points, not 4. If you are tiptoeing the bike can shift a bit left or right and unexpectedly put you out fo balance, especially with a passenger. If it's well planted on your flat footed left foot it's not going anywhere
I've bought the 2020 version of this bike. I absolutely love it. And being a returning rider, it really gives me the confidence to ride and improve my skills. Love the 2020 looks. It's way better.
I m kind of same situation... What about the vibration he talks in the video? I tested a MT07 (cross plane 2c) and was one of my complains, compared with my MT03.
@@luiz576 to be honest, I don't feel that big of a vibration at all. I mean, when you give it throttle, it vibrates a bit if you push it to the higher RPMs, but otherwise I can't complain. I'm a bit shorter than he is, so I'm not sure if that can be a factor.
@@dkoder4748 as much as he's shit on the vulcan and the z650, he has to come up with something to hate on or he'll have to deal with looking like a complete hypocrite. Spite is ok, but I've seen him shit all over bikes he's never even seen in person as though he's ridden them for hundreds of miles, just from reading spec sheets. Until I actually see him ride a specific motorcycle, his opinion on them are useless to me. It seems like he's trying to keep up with and impress yammie more than being honest about what he actually knows most of the time. I'm still gonna watch the channel and support their business but everything he says I take with a gratuitous grain of salt.
Had a 2017 Z650 as my first bike, I really really love the Z platform. I moved up to a 2015 Ninja 1000 as i do a lot of two up riding with my wife and we just couldn't stay comfortable on the Z650. But as a commuter the bike is quick and zippy and works well. i topped mine out at 135 and that's more than enough for most.
Its interesting I have completly different feelings about how it looks. In my opinion the look is great, the best in the class - very good proportions, lines etc. To me the Ninja 650 looks weak... like its trying to pretend zx6r. Z650 looks so natural and well. Look just fits perfectly to what it really is. Personal opinion:)
Had a Ninja 650 before as my first bike and I think it’s absolutely perfect as a first bike for a more, mature rider, someone that isn’t so throttle happy out the gates. For the biggest drawback I had was the softish suspension for more spirited canyon carving and how much the front forks dove down under moderate braking at any stoplight. The suspension setup makes the bike a perfect all around, daily rider for both freeway commutes and weekend fun times, but for more aggressive, tighter curves, the bike can feel more ponderous than I’d like. Great review of the Z650! Wouldn’t hesitate for a moment to recommend the Z or Ninja variant as a do-it-all machine.
That’s ok, if you don’t like the look, this bike isn’t for you. I love this bike. My 2020 is the metallic spark black composition. I can stare at this beauty all day!
Lol! I caught that for sure. I have a 2020 Vulcan S and I LOVE it. If the vibes of this engine are too much for anyone, they should definitely stay away from any bike labeled HD.
Every time I see a new yammie video I hope it's a Vulcan S review but... still hasn't happened! Vulcan S is under appreciated and under rated... Needs an exhaust and maybe a power commander/booster plug to really get the most out of it it but amazing just stock! Proud Vulcan S Army soldier:)
I agree. These bikes are way better than most give them credit for. They’re pretty sharp-looking in my opinion too. I’m waiting to uncork mine with an exhaust and the booster plug because I just bought it a few months ago. I figure I’ll pull the trigger after I put a few thousand more miles on it.
Question as I haven't seen it answered. For some context, I'm a shorter person at 5'7", and did own an '08 Ninja 650R (ER-6f or EХ-6 for the non-North Americans). I liked it - a lot (I bought it new), but had to sell it. I really enjoyed that bike. I didn't find the engine buzy (did find the fairing buzy, but Kawasaki added a dampening kit that cured it) - I felt the motor vibrations gave the bike a more lively feel and were well controlled that I had no issues riding it for extended highway rides (quite enjoyed doing long distance tours on it). I def do agree in that it's not the smoothest motor I've ever experienced on a motor cycle and certainly had the same jerky low speed throttle response. Truth be told, I'm not a fan of how it sounds of it at idle, but loved the intake growl it made when the motor came "on cam". I don't ride at idle, so no big deal. Anyways, I'm looking to get back into the sport, and obviously I'm looking at bikes I like (I find I'm a bit torn between the Z650, Z650RS (I feel Kawasaki nailed the retro look just right), and the Ninja 650 - we'll see what I opt for). Think I rambled on too much now, so with out ado... The only thing that truly bothered me on it was the rear brake - it had a wooden uncommunicative feel, making it extremely hard to modulate (the front brakes where really good though, and sounds like they kept that which is good). I can see the direct evolution of the original ER-6N and Ninja 650 bikes from 2005. Has Kawasaki improved the rear brakes modulation over the 19 years evolution?
I have a 17..all black..everything is instant on this bike..11000 miles on it now and it still rides like new..love twisting the throttle and it howles through the airbox..I think it's great 400 pounds scoots and stops awesome..cheap oil changes can get prime tires for it..and it's quiet so nobody notices you honking on it..and it gets 60 mpg no matter what
I went from a 2017 ninja 650 to a 2017 Z900.... oh man.. what a difference. It feels more solid in the corners than the 650 and the power it makes just makes you giggle inside.
C'mon dude, the guy was seriously fighting a turkey. Tell me you wouldnt have been thrown off by a grown man fighting a giant bird in some random parking lot.
I would love to see you guys do this same kind of review for both the Rebel 500 and the Vulcan S for beginner riders. Bring along more of the sport cruisers out there to see where they're at compared to regular cruisers and other bikes.
I bought the 2020 Z650 as my first bike, and have now had it for nearly a year. Being a 5' 11" gal that's a bit beefy, I am SO very thankful that you mentioned lowering the foot pegs, I didn't even know that was a thing!! A 34" inseam makes for a lot of folding up to ride. I do absolutely agree with the jerky low speed throttle... kinda sucked to get used to. As for your positives... The brakes, flickability, and overall handling are all aspects that will be hard to beat in the future in this bike's size, style, and displacement. Astounding! Also, yes this bike is totally a 'dude magnet', as mine is part of how I met the love of my life XD
Well Yammie crew, after over a year of watching your videos. I’ve joined the 2 wheel lifestyle, I just got a gorgeous low mile sportster 1200. Yes, a Harley but none the less!
Bought a 2017 with a dominator full system exhaust a few days ago, honestly might be weird but I like it a lot more than the old mt07 I'm used to. Really sweet beginner bike
As for the vibration issues: Its a little hard to see but it looks like you're just hitting 300 miles on the the bike. It's not fully broken in yet. My 2020 Ninja 650 has 1200 miles on it and it's just beginning to smooth out past 5k rpm and its getting better. You do have to ride in that rpm range to break in that range. The balance shaft is in front of the engine.
I have put about 5300 miles on my 2020 z650 since April. I couldn’t stand that handlebar vibration at first. Either it went away or I got used to it. It just hit me one day that I didn’t notice the vibration as much. I luv this bike tho.
All the Kawis run kinda hot like that from the factory. The 400s do the same thing. The fan kicks on when it hits the top mark. But a tune will have the fan kick on sooner
For all those Z650 owners, I really recommend a higher seat. I'm not a big guy but sitting a little higher changes a lot for me. It feels much more sporty, feels better going deeper in the turns and seeking the bike's limit. Feels great sitting a little higher on such a nimble bike.
Literally just bought a 2020 model last week, and I've put about 450 miles on it, and I say I love it already. I did notice the vibrations when I got it, but I think I've gotten used to it by now. I have noticed shifts are a little hard sometimes, but I think that may be due to operator error since I am also a new rider still. And I do think my bike my have an overheating issue, though it hasn't actually overheated, it gets anywhere between 210-220 on a 80° day when I'm not moving, and it only drops to about 185° while on the highway. Other than that, I like it a lot. I say it's a great first bike for any new rider,
Most of the issues with throttle jerkiness, engine heat, any other operating conditions and control problems will be solved with an ECU flash. I had a stock FZ1 some years ago which I fully tuned. 129 peak to 150 peak hp. Bike used to get so hot in slow speed stuff and after the flash, never went above about 195°F while running SO much better overall. As far as "living with a Z650"...... go with a Versys 650.
I have a z650 2019 myself and i get what you say about the motorcycle heating up. It heats up in traffic pretty fast but if you push it on a twistie it really wont which is a plus on my way of thinking
Great video! Could you make a similar review on the Kawasaki Ninja 650? I personally planning to get 2020/2021 model as my first bike, because I really like the looks and I hope I will not get bored very quickly. I would be interested hearing your opinion
This channel is for newer riders primarily, so for the love of all things holy, keep your hands on the controls when you are in traffic. Set a better example!
Most of the things you don’t like about this bike are solved by the bike you love to hate, the Versys 650. More upright seating position, adjustable shocks front/rear and less vibration.
I'm a bit husky like you Spite, felt like a circus bear on a tricycle when trying out the Z650, being a new rider the dealer didn't want to sell me the Z900 I really wanted. Well he folded, I got the 900 and been very happy!
Is there a difference how this vibrates vs something like the Iron 883, since here you are complaining about it, but its not something that seems to bother you on the Sporty?
@@anybody007 well like, how do these four bikes compare beyond just the style. Prices are about the same, but which is the most comfortable, or suitable for city traffic, or long rides?
@Yammie Noob: The stock tires are dual compound, and the center compound is super stiff. Source: My stock tires ran out at 7500 miles, and I couldn't pass inspection because the shoulders wore out before the center. Also, being heavier does wonders for grip. I've never felt it spin or slide, and not for lack of trying.
I'm 135 and the rear tire loses grip ALL the time for me ... I have 2k on these tires and already want to ditch them, but they still have ton of life left
@@planetwally Ditch them. Seriously. The confidence you'll get from moving to a new tire, even a single compound tire will be completely worth the cost, and it's gonna have to happen eventually anyway. It's not that the tires were worth a shit, but my 260# kept them planted whether they liked it or not.
That's the thing I love about my ninja 125 that should be turning up on the 13th! I used to love the older Kawasaki green but not so much a fan of the new green. Luckily mine is Blue and Black. The (as they call it) "Candy Plasma Blue" is deliciously beautiful!
I'm 6'1" over 210 lbs and tried this bike but it's way too small for me. Knees uncomfortable etc. The mt07 is a similar size bike but 10x more comfortable. Glad I picked the Yamaha as my first bike.
Aww, I think my z is super cute. Better looking than sv650 and mt07 in my opinion. But I get why everyone doesn't buy into the looks. Great, fair review
I agree with you about the aesthetics. What a mess. It was the main reason I kept my options between the MT-07 and the SV650. Kawasaki needs to go back to the drawing board. At least they improved the dash on the newer models.
Former owner of a versys 650 (2011), i can say that, yes the engine is boring AF.. but there are some things i do like alot.. 1. On the highway, at around 130-160kmh, the bike is very annoying, feels the bike hates being at these speeds.. but above 160, its like riding on a cloud, suddenly the engine, chassis and transmmision just saying to you that that thing wants more throttle 2. About the back tyres braking traction in corners, yes, its the best feeling ever, suddenly countersteering while the bike is powersliding.. god i miss the versys.. 😅😅
I'm using this bike for my license training and tests in the UK. And I'm finding the same pros and cons. Just a little tight for me at 6'3" aswell. Plenty of grunt though I preferred the cb500f that I was riding for my CBT
Most of motorcycles in the market today are fun to ride. It's a matter of what you want in terms of hp's, brakes, suspensions, handling, ergos and look. I have as much fun on my 2019 R3 than I have on my 2018 GSX-S1000F or my 2014 GSX-R600 or my 2019 Gold Wing even if I use them in a different way (Commuting, long rides, sporty rides, track). The Z650 is a good exemple of a practical motorcycle which does everything good without being excellent at anything.
I bought a 2020 Z650. While I hated the TFT dash to start, the display has definitely grown on me. I agree with the review of the front brake, the rear brake is like stepping in a plate of mashed potatoes. The rear ABS activates far too easily while I’ve yet to be able to activate the front.
They are not the same bike at all! The Honda is a inline 4, more expensive, more powerful.... the only ressemblance is their displacement and the fact that they are both naked bikes🤷♂️
Good review, the ergonomics was a bit weird commenting though. You are clearly too big for this 650, but I would estimate on an MT07 it would be the same. I think maybe the way you sit and operate a naked bike is not ideal for your own preference, specially not on a smaller model like this. Please try the z900 and would to get your feedback on the Z900! Same feedback coming from the mirrors. You are just too big for this bike! The dash is indeed quite old fashioned, the new Kawa's have a much better TFT display and much nicer looking. Looks are a bit personal, i actually like the green frame. But if it's not your thing, you should not do it. What makes it beginner friendly is that it does not have most horsepower, but it is high on the torque and you have a lot of power low and midrange. It makes it easier as it you don't need to shift a lot.
I like this bike, it is really good for this class and price. On the freeway speed it isn’t comfortable because the bike is too light and doesn’t have wind protection at all. The most weird thing on this bike - gas tank in the manual is 4 us gallons, but in the real life according the gas pump it is maximum 3 gallons or even less🤷♂️ it just never doesn’t take 4. I did refuel when only 20 miles of range left, but it took only 2.88 gallons… So confusing. And the fuel level on the display shows it wrong all the time… By the range on display it shows 80 miles of range left, which is approximately half of the tank, but the marks of gas level shows only one mark like it is almost empty at same time and bike flashing that you need to refuel🤷♂️🤦♂️ The second thing that I don’t like the buttons on the left are so small, it’s really hard to push the one that you need, especially in the gloves at night. I own 2022 model with normal display, normal head light and red/white colour. Not the most beautiful bike, but looks good in my opinion.
I have a 2017 Z650 and it’s been a great bike, it fits me, 6 foot 190 lbs, perfectly. Don’t know what he’s talking about with the vibration causing numbness. I don’t get any of that. I ride on the freeway all the time and have no issues. I dont have the stock tires on tho, I actually have some good tires on so maybe that makes a difference? Anyways, if your not a Giant like this dude then you’ll like the bike and you’ll look a lot more normal on it.
It's not my favourite looking bike but the newer Z650 is very likable. Anyway I'm not a fan of black bikes, so only with an alternative color scheme would win me. I like white, red, yellow or silver on bikes. Green and blue aren't really my favourite unless they are really bright or different.
I'm more spikes size at 6 feet 3 inchs 189 so I do agree about the ergonomics for those of us who are a bit tall. However works perfectly for my wife who is 5 feet
I purchased a 2018 Z650 as my 1st Motorcycle. It's not perfect but I do not regret my purchase. Hopefully next year I will upgrade. I'm considering the triumph street triple R low, As I am 5' 3" with a 27" inseam. Any thoughts?
Will you make a "So you want" video about the MV Agusta Dragster 800 RR if you haven't already? Also, Kawasaki and their dashboards man, they just never seem to nail it, at least on their pre-2019/20 models
The more I hear it the more I dislike the term "beginner bike". We don't use the term "beginner" with cars so much, but with bikes it seems like there's only a handful of bikes that aren't beginner bikes and even then those bikes get shit on. Surely 125 bikes are good for "beginners" but even then someone could only ride a 125 their whole life just because they are so damn cheap to run.
I don't really want to start with this bike because I'm a bigger guy, but the only dealers in my area are Honda and Kawasaki... the first I can't really afford.
get the shoodaben flash and it will fix the throttle and jumpiness. It also lowers the temp for the fan to kick in at 10 degrees less. So it stays cooler
@@chrishart8548 because it gets hot in traffic, especially if it is a lot of stop and go and red lights.... lowering temp for the fan causes the cooling quicker and makes it more comfortable in the city
its funny spite mentions the heat on this bike because my ninja 400 does the same thing. it reads high, I do feel the heat sometimes but then it runs fine. then Like spite says it goes down a cube and it cool. I think kawasakis heat gauge reads reads high but its not, the top two bars are normal operating temps which does not make sense. is any of the other bikes like this?
Had one for about 5 months. traded with a versys 1000 se+. the z650 looks cool but if youre much over 5ft5 its really not the bike for you! its super small and thin!
You need a bigger bike, or would you feel the same on a small Honda? I have a well battered 2010 Z650 which I use as a second machine to a H2SX . It was bought second hand and was well used when I got it. Apart from oil and filter changes it takes everything you throw at it without complaint. I am currently considering buying a new one but then this one has only done 70,000 miles and feels great. Vibration? I cant say that I have noticed but then my first bike that I actually owned was a 1955 Speed twin and then a TR6 Trophy 1959 model. I have only been riding since I was 16 with a full licence and that was 62 years ago I feel that you are looking for something to pick on. Look at Doodles road test on TH-cam.
Ah, you fell into the suspension trap. Preload had nothing to do with the harshness of ride (unless you are bottoming or topping out). As a big fella you probably needed more rear preload to get you optimum suspension travel at the back and get the bike geometry right.
LOL, @26:39 . Funny thing.. I kind of like the Royal Enfield Interceptor 650. Sure if someone else where footing the bill I would rather have a Triumph or Harley, but for my own money I just might get the Royal Enfield INT650 over something like the Husqvarna Svartpilen 401 or Z650.
I bought a z650 back in may it was stolen in June. It was the perfect motorcycle. All the fun you could ask for super practical for every day as well. I miss it everyday.
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My MT 07 was stolen within a month as well
@@svendragon8139 I'm looking at the mt07 for my next bike. Just slightly bigger than the 650.
It's a great bike, got it back after a couple weeks with some damage, but it's treated me good
Sorry for you!! I didn´t think those kind of thing was frequent in First World (I live inBrazil!)
I own the 2019 one in pearl white and I absolutely love it. It’s my first bike and honestly compared to others it’s the best to start riding
I've also come to that conclusion. My first bike!
I thought I was supposed to start with a 300. Wrong.
@@sarag1158 My first and actual is a Z125, but with a B licence, It count as a first bike? 😂
I'm starting the teory of the A2 license and I'm looking for a "second bike".
My 125 has less than a year, do you still recomend this Z650? I hear a lot saying its better 400/500ds.
What do you think?
Happy to hear there s a 2017 in that color going for 3900 I'm considering as a first bike 🤔
I have a 2017 as my first bike too, and I have absolutely loved it
@@leynadIX i got a 2020 z650 as my first and have only riden four wheelers when i was little and i was riding confidently in 30 mins
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I love the way the bike looks. Would have picked up a 2020 if the white scheme was available in the U.S. for that year, but it looks like they're bringing it back for 2021. This one is definitely on my short list for my next bike once I'm done with my Z400.
I must be the oddball, I think its the nicest looking 650 naked...
Both due to handlebar placement and the headlight design.
I think the cb650r looks better
@@brammicky9514 same but it’s heavy and too tall for me
Exactly
Only the dash is mhe
I bought the 2020 Ninja 650. Love the TFT and the plastics are actually pretty easy to remove. I handle all my services and added the auxiliary power port immediately. Im keeping it.
same here my guy, she's my first bike and she's definitely a keeper
A month ago I went on a 500 mile trip and the vibrations weren't bad.... honestly didn't even notice them. Did a 500 mile return trip a few days after the initial and.... still not really feeling the vibrations at highway/interstate speeds. The wind was killer thought because u know. I'd 100% recommend this bike to anyone. I'm 5'11 at 190 and its plenty capable.
After a year, do you still recommend this bike? I got a used ninja 400 and want to upgrade to this 650, but the vibration on N4 is annoying, dont know how it feel on this 650
@@Ntthaibk I honestly don't notice the vibrations. Compared to dirt bikes and a honda shadow i've ridden, the vibrations are almost none existent. Still recommend the bike.
I’ve testridden the 2020 z650 and the gearbox feels amazing . When these guys keep talking about it, I get it. It is very precise and feels very good in comparison to the other 600-700 cc bikes
In the questions parts somebody asked wheelies: yes, plenty.
"Shockingly good". I will say: told ya. (Yammie disagreed) Especially for the price, and there are deals around!
Vibrations at hwy speed, about 5.5k rpm, oh yeah, especially on the connection between your legs and the tank. Handlebar vibrations improved for me with bar end mirrors. Throw on a touring windshield, it becomes bearable. also looks get a bit better.
Brakes: great, agree.
Ergos: it's specifically target at lower riders, it's just not made for you. Kawasaki offering for people your size is the Versys.
I had no problems with dash readability but it's a bit dated. Infos are all there though. For comparison, an MT09 which is otherwise an almost flawless motorcycle (all things considered) lacks range information and that's fucking annoying.
City: I found it exceptional, zero complaints. Perfect city bike. I have a history of owning all the bikes with the worse throttle response so I tuned my hand instead of the bike ;)
Negative? Yeah totally lawnmower sound. However, livable as is. This to me it's either a "transition bike", the second one you keep for 2 seasons, or a "grown man" bike, where you have tried everything and you now want something really reasonable, low maintenance, that goes fast but won't kill you, and at that point of your motorcycle life you probably don't want an aftermarket muffler.
I think 2020 model has improved
@William Halder Athony (VTI.D9) I had a 2017. Brakes were good. Same level as you would expect from a 900-1000cc naked bike, so not GREAT in the context as an R1 or Panigale brakes are outstanding, but in the context as it's significantly superior to its peer in the mid-size naked bikes crop (SV650, MT-07, etc). It helps the fact that suspensions are also very well sorted and the braking is very stable thanks to the limited fork dive. All of this: considering its class. Of course it pales in comparison to, like, a KTM Superduke.
@William Halder Athony (VTI.D9) have you considered a versys 650 as a commuter instead? Same engine, most of the same very good characteristics, but with space for groceries. Doubles as excellent tourer.
@William Halder Athony (VTI.D9) you should just flat foot on one side and don't even try to touch both. keep your right foot on peg and brake, put down the left by shifting your butt.
The most stable position for the bike is on 3 points, not 4. If you are tiptoeing the bike can shift a bit left or right and unexpectedly put you out fo balance, especially with a passenger. If it's well planted on your flat footed left foot it's not going anywhere
me at 40 after selling a 2004 sv650 and wanting something similar with abs and feeling lighter and more modern.
I've bought the 2020 version of this bike. I absolutely love it. And being a returning rider, it really gives me the confidence to ride and improve my skills. Love the 2020 looks. It's way better.
Congratulations the 2020 looks great 👍
Ride safe
I m kind of same situation... What about the vibration he talks in the video? I tested a MT07 (cross plane 2c) and was one of my complains, compared with my MT03.
@@luiz576 to be honest, I don't feel that big of a vibration at all. I mean, when you give it throttle, it vibrates a bit if you push it to the higher RPMs, but otherwise I can't complain. I'm a bit shorter than he is, so I'm not sure if that can be a factor.
@@dkoder4748 as much as he's shit on the vulcan and the z650, he has to come up with something to hate on or he'll have to deal with looking like a complete hypocrite. Spite is ok, but I've seen him shit all over bikes he's never even seen in person as though he's ridden them for hundreds of miles, just from reading spec sheets. Until I actually see him ride a specific motorcycle, his opinion on them are useless to me. It seems like he's trying to keep up with and impress yammie more than being honest about what he actually knows most of the time.
I'm still gonna watch the channel and support their business but everything he says I take with a gratuitous grain of salt.
Had a 2017 Z650 as my first bike, I really really love the Z platform. I moved up to a 2015 Ninja 1000 as i do a lot of two up riding with my wife and we just couldn't stay comfortable on the Z650. But as a commuter the bike is quick and zippy and works well. i topped mine out at 135 and that's more than enough for most.
also as a 5'9 210lb dude with a 29in inseam is a little small for me but also a little tall haha its awkward.
How was the z650 as a first bike I’ve never riden and was looking at yeh z650
Its interesting I have completly different feelings about how it looks. In my opinion the look is great, the best in the class - very good proportions, lines etc. To me the Ninja 650 looks weak... like its trying to pretend zx6r. Z650 looks so natural and well. Look just fits perfectly to what it really is. Personal opinion:)
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Had a Ninja 650 before as my first bike and I think it’s absolutely perfect as a first bike for a more, mature rider, someone that isn’t so throttle happy out the gates. For the biggest drawback I had was the softish suspension for more spirited canyon carving and how much the front forks dove down under moderate braking at any stoplight. The suspension setup makes the bike a perfect all around, daily rider for both freeway commutes and weekend fun times, but for more aggressive, tighter curves, the bike can feel more ponderous than I’d like. Great review of the Z650! Wouldn’t hesitate for a moment to recommend the Z or Ninja variant as a do-it-all machine.
Z650 is a great motorcycle.
That’s ok, if you don’t like the look, this bike isn’t for you. I love this bike. My 2020 is the metallic spark black composition. I can stare at this beauty all day!
Do this with the Triumph Trident 660 when it comes out
Vulcan S army unite, spite praised our motorcycle! One of us, one of us , gooble goble, gooble goble.
Lol! I caught that for sure. I have a 2020 Vulcan S and I LOVE it. If the vibes of this engine are too much for anyone, they should definitely stay away from any bike labeled HD.
Every time I see a new yammie video I hope it's a Vulcan S review but... still hasn't happened! Vulcan S is under appreciated and under rated... Needs an exhaust and maybe a power commander/booster plug to really get the most out of it it but amazing just stock! Proud Vulcan S Army soldier:)
I agree. These bikes are way better than most give them credit for. They’re pretty sharp-looking in my opinion too. I’m waiting to uncork mine with an exhaust and the booster plug because I just bought it a few months ago. I figure I’ll pull the trigger after I put a few thousand more miles on it.
Question as I haven't seen it answered.
For some context, I'm a shorter person at 5'7", and did own an '08 Ninja 650R (ER-6f or EХ-6 for the non-North Americans). I liked it - a lot (I bought it new), but had to sell it. I really enjoyed that bike.
I didn't find the engine buzy (did find the fairing buzy, but Kawasaki added a dampening kit that cured it) - I felt the motor vibrations gave the bike a more lively feel and were well controlled that I had no issues riding it for extended highway rides (quite enjoyed doing long distance tours on it). I def do agree in that it's not the smoothest motor I've ever experienced on a motor cycle and certainly had the same jerky low speed throttle response. Truth be told, I'm not a fan of how it sounds of it at idle, but loved the intake growl it made when the motor came "on cam". I don't ride at idle, so no big deal.
Anyways, I'm looking to get back into the sport, and obviously I'm looking at bikes I like (I find I'm a bit torn between the Z650, Z650RS (I feel Kawasaki nailed the retro look just right), and the Ninja 650 - we'll see what I opt for).
Think I rambled on too much now, so with out ado...
The only thing that truly bothered me on it was the rear brake - it had a wooden uncommunicative feel, making it extremely hard to modulate (the front brakes where really good though, and sounds like they kept that which is good). I can see the direct evolution of the original ER-6N and Ninja 650 bikes from 2005. Has Kawasaki improved the rear brakes modulation over the 19 years evolution?
I HAVE ONE (2019)(storm blue)AND IT’S MY DAILY😭😭😭 I LOVE THIS THING TO DEATH 3 Rd Bike I wouldn’t Trade it for the World❤️
Yeah I agree with the looks, display and the headlight
That's why I went for the ninja 2020, better looks, better display and LED headlights
Hopefully getting one of those videos for the trident triumph 2021 👌🏽😁. Great content guys 👍🏽
I have a 17..all black..everything is instant on this bike..11000 miles on it now and it still rides like new..love twisting the throttle and it howles through the airbox..I think it's great 400 pounds scoots and stops awesome..cheap oil changes can get prime tires for it..and it's quiet so nobody notices you honking on it..and it gets 60 mpg no matter what
I went from a 2017 ninja 650 to a 2017 Z900.... oh man.. what a difference. It feels more solid in the corners than the 650 and the power it makes just makes you giggle inside.
Loving the content keep it up
@I Am Z1 Tiochfiadh ar la!!!
@I Am Z1 *MUP THE RAAA*
The like falls when spite breaks character with "that guys fightin' a turkey"
C'mon dude, the guy was seriously fighting a turkey. Tell me you wouldnt have been thrown off by a grown man fighting a giant bird in some random parking lot.
@@brandonwirtz2308 no no I mean I literally clicked the like button when he said that, it was fuckin' glorious!
I would love to see you guys do this same kind of review for both the Rebel 500 and the Vulcan S for beginner riders. Bring along more of the sport cruisers out there to see where they're at compared to regular cruisers and other bikes.
Im loving my 2021 z650 so much! Its so fun to ride. 👍🏁🏍
For tall riders: ergo seat, pro taper bars, adjust your foot levers and no more feeling cramped. The vibration however I am still working on that.
I like that his biggest complaint is how it looks & primarily the color... so buy it in a different color... it does have 3 different color ways
I bought the 2020 Z650 as my first bike, and have now had it for nearly a year. Being a 5' 11" gal that's a bit beefy, I am SO very thankful that you mentioned lowering the foot pegs, I didn't even know that was a thing!! A 34" inseam makes for a lot of folding up to ride.
I do absolutely agree with the jerky low speed throttle... kinda sucked to get used to.
As for your positives... The brakes, flickability, and overall handling are all aspects that will be hard to beat in the future in this bike's size, style, and displacement. Astounding!
Also, yes this bike is totally a 'dude magnet', as mine is part of how I met the love of my life XD
Well Yammie crew, after over a year of watching your videos. I’ve joined the 2 wheel lifestyle, I just got a gorgeous low mile sportster 1200. Yes, a Harley but none the less!
Bought a 2017 with a dominator full system exhaust a few days ago, honestly might be weird but I like it a lot more than the old mt07 I'm used to. Really sweet beginner bike
Don't worry nick, i drive a z400 and i love every minute of it. Z GANG
💪ZGANG✊
Just got my z400 to 101mph. Lol first bike I've ever owned and driven.
Lol Z gang. I like that!
As for the vibration issues: Its a little hard to see but it looks like you're just hitting 300 miles on the the bike. It's not fully broken in yet. My 2020 Ninja 650 has 1200 miles on it and it's just beginning to smooth out past 5k rpm and its getting better. You do have to ride in that rpm range to break in that range. The balance shaft is in front of the engine.
Nah he said it don’t have any balance or shafts or anything
I have put about 5300 miles on my 2020 z650 since April. I couldn’t stand that handlebar vibration at first. Either it went away or I got used to it. It just hit me one day that I didn’t notice the vibration as much. I luv this bike tho.
same boat - I got mine after 2 600cc Hondas that were super smooth, but now after 2k miles on the z, I don't seem to notice the vibration anymore..
All the Kawis run kinda hot like that from the factory. The 400s do the same thing. The fan kicks on when it hits the top mark.
But a tune will have the fan kick on sooner
I am 5'-7", 225# and I love the ergonomics of this bike
For all those Z650 owners, I really recommend a higher seat. I'm not a big guy but sitting a little higher changes a lot for me. It feels much more sporty, feels better going deeper in the turns and seeking the bike's limit. Feels great sitting a little higher on such a nimble bike.
Get a ninja at that point
Oh one word of advice, KEEP YOUR HANDS ON THE BARS! remember you are possibly talking to thousands of young impressionable people.
Literally just bought a 2020 model last week, and I've put about 450 miles on it, and I say I love it already. I did notice the vibrations when I got it, but I think I've gotten used to it by now. I have noticed shifts are a little hard sometimes, but I think that may be due to operator error since I am also a new rider still. And I do think my bike my have an overheating issue, though it hasn't actually overheated, it gets anywhere between 210-220 on a 80° day when I'm not moving, and it only drops to about 185° while on the highway. Other than that, I like it a lot. I say it's a great first bike for any new rider,
Most of the issues with throttle jerkiness, engine heat, any other operating conditions and control problems will be solved with an ECU flash.
I had a stock FZ1 some years ago which I fully tuned. 129 peak to 150 peak hp. Bike used to get so hot in slow speed stuff and after the flash, never went above about 195°F while running SO much better overall.
As far as "living with a Z650"...... go with a Versys 650.
I have a z650 2019 myself and i get what you say about the motorcycle heating up. It heats up in traffic pretty fast but if you push it on a twistie it really wont which is a plus on my way of thinking
This is the bike that a lot of companies use in the UK to do our lessons
Great video! Could you make a similar review on the Kawasaki Ninja 650? I personally planning to get 2020/2021 model as my first bike, because I really like the looks and I hope I will not get bored very quickly. I would be interested hearing your opinion
This channel is for newer riders primarily, so for the love of all things holy, keep your hands on the controls when you are in traffic. Set a better example!
How is he able to take his hand off the throttle like that without being thrown forward from the engine braking??
@JPTulo
He's probably pulling the clutch lever when he does that.
Most of the things you don’t like about this bike are solved by the bike you love to hate, the Versys 650. More upright seating position, adjustable shocks front/rear and less vibration.
I'm from the UK and i Hvae to say the roads in the US look amazing! So Smooth. It's pot hole galore here on UK roads, not fun for riding at times.
I'm a bit husky like you Spite, felt like a circus bear on a tricycle when trying out the Z650, being a new rider the dealer didn't want to sell me the Z900 I really wanted. Well he folded, I got the 900 and been very happy!
Is there a difference how this vibrates vs something like the Iron 883, since here you are complaining about it, but its not something that seems to bother you on the Sporty?
Really curious how you feel about all the other bikes with this engine. Vulcan S, Ninja 650, Versys 650.
Likely exactly the same....lol
I bought a versys new and hated it. The engine vibrates horribly at cruising speed ;/
I own a vulcan S. Vibrates but not as much as he says here
@@anybody007 this is what I am super curious about. Maybe there are important differences?
Ask away ...
@@anybody007 well like, how do these four bikes compare beyond just the style. Prices are about the same, but which is the most comfortable, or suitable for city traffic, or long rides?
I fully understand you not liking the colorscheme on the bike. Have you however looked at it with a different color?
@Yammie Noob: The stock tires are dual compound, and the center compound is super stiff. Source: My stock tires ran out at 7500 miles, and I couldn't pass inspection because the shoulders wore out before the center. Also, being heavier does wonders for grip. I've never felt it spin or slide, and not for lack of trying.
I'm 135 and the rear tire loses grip ALL the time for me ... I have 2k on these tires and already want to ditch them, but they still have ton of life left
@@planetwally Ditch them. Seriously. The confidence you'll get from moving to a new tire, even a single compound tire will be completely worth the cost, and it's gonna have to happen eventually anyway. It's not that the tires were worth a shit, but my 260# kept them planted whether they liked it or not.
Excellent content! Congrats! Answered a lot of questions I had.
That's the thing I love about my ninja 125 that should be turning up on the 13th! I used to love the older Kawasaki green but not so much a fan of the new green. Luckily mine is Blue and Black. The (as they call it) "Candy Plasma Blue" is deliciously beautiful!
I'm 6'1" over 210 lbs and tried this bike but it's way too small for me. Knees uncomfortable etc. The mt07 is a similar size bike but 10x more comfortable. Glad I picked the Yamaha as my first bike.
I'm 6.3 and the bike is fine for me. But yes mt07 is a better choice it got a character and more fun to ride.
Aww, I think my z is super cute. Better looking than sv650 and mt07 in my opinion. But I get why everyone doesn't buy into the looks.
Great, fair review
I never thought that a turkey will peak my interest in a motorcycle video. 😂
I took a demo ride on one. I'M 6' 2". Its a bit small for me, but great for a shorter newer rider. The 2020 dash is one of the best in the segment.
I'm 6.3 and I've ridden my friend's z650 and it's fine for me I never felt like the bike is too small or unfitting.
Spite, im curious. Do you always go straight into 6th gear while going 50mph or is it just on smaller bikes just to say they are slow?
2019 Z650 rider checking in!
My guy took his time watching a man fighting a turkey
I agree with you about the aesthetics. What a mess. It was the main reason I kept my options between the MT-07 and the SV650. Kawasaki needs to go back to the drawing board. At least they improved the dash on the newer models.
Former owner of a versys 650 (2011), i can say that, yes the engine is boring AF.. but there are some things i do like alot..
1. On the highway, at around 130-160kmh, the bike is very annoying, feels the bike hates being at these speeds.. but above 160, its like riding on a cloud, suddenly the engine, chassis and transmmision just saying to you that that thing wants more throttle
2. About the back tyres braking traction in corners, yes, its the best feeling ever, suddenly countersteering while the bike is powersliding..
god i miss the versys.. 😅😅
2016 kawasaki er6n 72-74 horse power.Still an Awesome bike.
I'm using this bike for my license training and tests in the UK. And I'm finding the same pros and cons. Just a little tight for me at 6'3" aswell. Plenty of grunt though I preferred the cb500f that I was riding for my CBT
strange af. My girlfriend has thiz z650, and my friend currently has a cb500f as his learning bike lmao
Most of motorcycles in the market today are fun to ride. It's a matter of what you want in terms of hp's, brakes, suspensions, handling, ergos and look. I have as much fun on my 2019 R3 than I have on my 2018 GSX-S1000F or my 2014 GSX-R600 or my 2019 Gold Wing even if I use them in a different way (Commuting, long rides, sporty rides, track). The Z650 is a good exemple of a practical motorcycle which does everything good without being excellent at anything.
I bought a 2020 Z650. While I hated the TFT dash to start, the display has definitely grown on me. I agree with the review of the front brake, the rear brake is like stepping in a plate of mashed potatoes. The rear ABS activates far too easily while I’ve yet to be able to activate the front.
How do you like the z650 compared to cb650r?
You joking right ? You're asking what is better? Honda for sure.
@@sileniu the Honda costs more though
@@teddy3967 the 650r is also an I4
They are not the same bike at all! The Honda is a inline 4, more expensive, more powerful.... the only ressemblance is their displacement and the fact that they are both naked bikes🤷♂️
@@sileniu no - i did not ask what is better, asked which he prefers
Good review, the ergonomics was a bit weird commenting though. You are clearly too big for this 650, but I would estimate on an MT07 it would be the same. I think maybe the way you sit and operate a naked bike is not ideal for your own preference, specially not on a smaller model like this. Please try the z900 and would to get your feedback on the Z900! Same feedback coming from the mirrors. You are just too big for this bike!
The dash is indeed quite old fashioned, the new Kawa's have a much better TFT display and much nicer looking.
Looks are a bit personal, i actually like the green frame. But if it's not your thing, you should not do it.
What makes it beginner friendly is that it does not have most horsepower, but it is high on the torque and you have a lot of power low and midrange. It makes it easier as it you don't need to shift a lot.
I like this bike, it is really good for this class and price. On the freeway speed it isn’t comfortable because the bike is too light and doesn’t have wind protection at all. The most weird thing on this bike - gas tank in the manual is 4 us gallons, but in the real life according the gas pump it is maximum 3 gallons or even less🤷♂️ it just never doesn’t take 4. I did refuel when only 20 miles of range left, but it took only 2.88 gallons… So confusing. And the fuel level on the display shows it wrong all the time… By the range on display it shows 80 miles of range left, which is approximately half of the tank, but the marks of gas level shows only one mark like it is almost empty at same time and bike flashing that you need to refuel🤷♂️🤦♂️ The second thing that I don’t like the buttons on the left are so small, it’s really hard to push the one that you need, especially in the gloves at night. I own 2022 model with normal display, normal head light and red/white colour. Not the most beautiful bike, but looks good in my opinion.
6'4, 280
Love my z650 😁
I'm 6'3, 275 pounds. I just bought this as my first bike! Mine is red and black. Do your legs hurt after awhile riding for too long?
@@mauriceijeh5385 not really, although I don't do long journeys on it. Probably an hour max at one time.
I have a 2017 Z650 and it’s been a great bike, it fits me, 6 foot 190 lbs, perfectly. Don’t know what he’s talking about with the vibration causing numbness. I don’t get any of that. I ride on the freeway all the time and have no issues. I dont have the stock tires on tho, I actually have some good tires on so maybe that makes a difference? Anyways, if your not a Giant like this dude then you’ll like the bike and you’ll look a lot more normal on it.
It's not my favourite looking bike but the newer Z650 is very likable. Anyway I'm not a fan of black bikes, so only with an alternative color scheme would win me. I like white, red, yellow or silver on bikes. Green and blue aren't really my favourite unless they are really bright or different.
Love all the uploads
Would love to see a Neo-retro version of this bike
If you are too large for that bike, imagine me a 6ft 3in 115kg guy on the little yamaha ybr125 🤣 I hire to practise for my DAS test
I am 6ft 3 also and was looking forward to this video because this is probably going to be my first bike
I would recommend the 650 versys if you're a bit taller. Almost identical bike just better fit for the taller rider
@@benwestlake5842 thank you for the suggestion yeah I was looking into that bike also
I'm more spikes size at 6 feet 3 inchs 189 so I do agree about the ergonomics for those of us who are a bit tall. However works perfectly for my wife who is 5 feet
I'd like to see a round led headlight, like the cb650r.
The 2020 has a updated headlight, looks 10 times better imo
I purchased a 2018 Z650 as my 1st Motorcycle. It's not perfect but I do not regret my purchase. Hopefully next year I will upgrade. I'm considering the triumph street triple R low, As I am 5' 3" with a 27" inseam. Any thoughts?
Love the content but when he starts to explain things about the Bike and answering questions 🥱🥱😴😴
Great video, though mine doesnt buzz at all and they do have counter balance, guess each engines different. PS exhaust fixes on off throttle,
Will you make a "So you want" video about the MV Agusta Dragster 800 RR if you haven't already? Also, Kawasaki and their dashboards man, they just never seem to nail it, at least on their pre-2019/20 models
The more I hear it the more I dislike the term "beginner bike". We don't use the term "beginner" with cars so much, but with bikes it seems like there's only a handful of bikes that aren't beginner bikes and even then those bikes get shit on.
Surely 125 bikes are good for "beginners" but even then someone could only ride a 125 their whole life just because they are so damn cheap to run.
I just love the looks 🤩
Good Honest review. I have the 2020 Z900 and I think it solves all of your dislikes about the Z650 (except maybe the looks) lol
Great video. Question: What handlebars would you recommend for this bike. I am having a hard time figuring out what to get. Thank you!
I don't really want to start with this bike because I'm a bigger guy, but the only dealers in my area are Honda and Kawasaki... the first I can't really afford.
get the shoodaben flash and it will fix the throttle and jumpiness. It also lowers the temp for the fan to kick in at 10 degrees less. So it stays cooler
Why you want the bike to run cooler
@@chrishart8548 because it gets hot in traffic, especially if it is a lot of stop and go and red lights.... lowering temp for the fan causes the cooling quicker and makes it more comfortable in the city
High quality as always!👌
Kawasaki is the best motorcycle brand ever. Just FACTS.
I like the look of this bike
its funny spite mentions the heat on this bike because my ninja 400 does the same thing. it reads high, I do feel the heat sometimes but then it runs fine. then Like spite says it goes down a cube and it cool. I think kawasakis heat gauge reads reads high but its not, the top two bars are normal operating temps which does not make sense. is any of the other bikes like this?
It's okay Spite...
Thanksgiving dinner is on my mind too.
Had one for about 5 months. traded with a versys 1000 se+. the z650 looks cool but if youre much over 5ft5 its really not the bike for you! its super small and thin!
Maybe it was because I had a 2012 Ninja 650, but that's really the only bike I regretted buying. The motor was just flat and uninspiring.
You need a bigger bike, or would you feel the same on a small Honda? I have a well battered 2010 Z650 which I use as a second machine to a H2SX . It was bought second hand and was well used when I got it. Apart from oil and filter changes it takes everything you throw at it without complaint. I am currently considering buying a new one but then this one has only done 70,000 miles and feels great. Vibration? I cant say that I have noticed but then my first bike that I actually owned was a 1955 Speed twin and then a TR6 Trophy 1959 model. I have only been riding since I was 16 with a full licence and that was 62 years ago I feel that you are looking for something to pick on. Look at Doodles road test on TH-cam.
Ah, you fell into the suspension trap. Preload had nothing to do with the harshness of ride (unless you are bottoming or topping out). As a big fella you probably needed more rear preload to get you optimum suspension travel at the back and get the bike geometry right.
I can't stop to wonder, why is Yammie noob team so against the Z650. I love mine. 🙃
I have the verses 650 and 6'3" too and fits me fine. Good review
LOL, @26:39 . Funny thing.. I kind of like the Royal Enfield Interceptor 650. Sure if someone else where footing the bill I would rather have a Triumph or Harley, but for my own money I just might get the Royal Enfield INT650 over something like the Husqvarna Svartpilen 401 or Z650.