American Reacts to How One Mass Shooting Forced Stricter Gun Laws in the UK
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- American Reacts to How One Mass Shooting Forced Stricter Gun Laws in the UK
In this video I react to a report on how a mass shooting in Dunblane caused enaction of stricter gun laws in the UK.
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I am from the UK. I used to have a firearm certificate. I was arrested whilst having a mental health problem. The police whilst in custody, Entered my home seized my guns. And suspended my certificate. Which I handed in anyway. This is the way it should be. And the best outcome for me and the public.
@freebeerfordworkers The human rights act came in in 1998 so are you sure that was successful defence ?
@freebeerfordworkers Don't blame the human rights act that wasn't even in place at the time. The Right wing love to blame the human rights act for criminals"getting away" with stuff. Every attack on it, false or otherwise, gives them an opportunity to weaken support for it
@freebeerfordworkers Yes but not by the human rights act
@freebeerfordworkers Thomas Hamilton ,Michael Ryan Derrick Bird,and that dick from Plymouth all should have had certs revoked.
Failings by the police so passed blame to the guns,in reality the tightening of the types of firearms available has done next to nothing..
Spot on.
I lived in Scotland when this happened and you need to realise that the the tone at the time was almost unanimous in handing guns in and volunteering their submission. We didn't see it as "strict" at all. it was necessary and to a man, nobody cried out about rights and freedoms. I say it all the time "if your kids dying isn't enough to make you hand them over, nothing is!"
No lots of people were upset by the lengthening requirements of the weird law but it didn't get reported. Some shooters just moved their guns to NI. It's a bit like when they introduced licencing of air guns in scotland. Even though you can buy them in Berwick with just ID.
Propaganda (Fox news "fake news") has completely brainwashed a lot of the country. The education system is pretty lacking and doesn't create intelligent critically thinking individuals. And that's exactly what the politicians and corporations want. Between that and the far right evangelical church ( that teach hatred instead of actual christian values like compassion) it's almost impossible to fix. Some states it is actually legally allowed for public schools to teach "Creationism" instead of science: evolution, universe, biology, etc
They had a no questions asked scheme for handing in guns I'm also from Scotland this is the way it should be
We still like our gun laws too
I remember that people were asked to hand in all guns and people who didn't need/use them handed them all to police because we UK didn't want that happening again.
A child's right to grow into an adult should be more important than an adults right to own a gun. People can own guns with a valid reason here in the UK however " I like guns" or " self defence" are never a valid reason here , these reasons will automatically get you a ban from ever owning a gun.
Same with NZ. Guns are used for hunting and pest control. So claiming you want a licence for "self defence" is an automatic rejection. I mean "self defence" means you intend on harming/killing another person.
You cant defend yourself in the UK or here in Ireland. Also almost all gun crime are done by criminals with illegally held weapons same in every country.
There is NO excusing gun ownership. The mass shootings in the US, where Innocent lives are lost are mainly carried out not by criminals but by individuals with mental health issues.
Its one thing for criminals to use guns against each other, but there is no defending those who take innocent lives away.
@@andyc6542 that is the dumbest thing ever said. First off no "mass shootings* are not mostly commited by legal.gun owners that is 100% false. Before this one there was around 200 mass shootings in the US this year so far at the time this happened. Two or three were legal gun owners, one was a black gun, one was a white guy the other is this guy a Latino guy. You dont even know anything.... About the subject as displayed by your own comment. US government data also shows that legal gun owners stop anywhere from 500k-3.5 million crimes per year almost all of them without firing a shot. Almost all gun crime is done is states with the most strict gun laws and the lowest gun crime areas are in states with the most liberal gun laws. Chicago has 25+ gun deaths ever single weekend sometimes a bit lower sometimes far higher and all done by criminals with illegally held weapons, as it is near impossible for normal people to get guns in at all. Also when you hear about gun deaths in the US it is total! Gun deaths from all causss including self defense, cops, criminal's, accidental, self inflicted etc... Again people speaking on subjects they know nothing about.
@@yagsipcc287 Which is the difference between the US and everywhere else. A normal person being angry and irrational in the US can turn to a gun they're carrying.
I live in Australia. I can't imagine living in a society so scared of their own community, that they feel the need to take guns everywhere they go. I can't imagine living in a society where people bow their heads and humbly offer "thoughts and prayers" while ACTIVELY AND PURPOSEFULLY blocking every attempt to pass legislation that could improve background checks or access to mental health care and restrict putting weapons that are specifically designed to kill in the hands of literally anyone that wants one. I can't imagine living in a society of people who are so full of their own ego they fantasise about being the "good guy with a gun" when we all know in reality they would be huddled in the corner shitting their pants just like the cops in Uvalde.
👏 well said
Excellent comment
You absolutely nailed it.
Spot on
I was in the British military at the time of Dunblane. We know what guns were for and the damage they do. It was the first time I heard an entire unit go completely silent when the news broke. All of us were shocked to the core with the thought of what these kids had been through. Fast forward and we see these events happen with horrific regularity in the US. Each time we hear the age of these kids a little piece of us dies.
Gun ownership appears to be a religion of its own. An ultra-religous country engaging in true false idolatry with the worship of firearms ownership.
I remember speaking to a parent in the US who was buying a bullet proof insert for their nursery age childs backpack. I never had to worry about that, I know my kids will are going to come home from school. The most frightening event from them is just a fire alarm test.
I just don't understand how this still happens.
Well its our fault they have a huge belief that their freedom from tyranical governments is tied to gun ownership and citizen militia. It all goes back to the war of independance.
Because Americans care more about their guns than their children
I was at Glencourse at the time and remember the Scottish Recruits who were from that area being let home immediately
I've had a few lockdown drills before I left school. Even then, it was never for guns! The scariest thing that happened was a kid came in with a knife, there was no injuries and the police came asap. I couldn't imagine the fear of a school shooting! It baffles me that the death of children isn't where the line is drawn.
@jimwalker760 I can help you with that. Americans have always had this idea about freedom stretching back to 1776. They didn't have many guns during those days so insist they will always be free with firearms. It's nonsense of course, the government would mash them like peas if they chose to. Firearms are no defence against drones or nuclear weapons. But that's what the second ammendment was for, completely ignoring the realities of modern warfare. Even their own history shows the second was a failure, the only time it was used, the rebels were defeated. But they fear slavery more then dead children unfortunately
I salute you sir!
In the UK we don’t give guns a second thought. We don’t worry at all. We send our children to school knowing they are safe. Our children do not have to walk through a metal detector, we do not have armed guards, even our police do not carry guns! And we like it that way.
What is with America and their gun obsession??? Literally the whole world does not understand America.
There is something so dystopian about children in USA being drilled on how to hide under a desk. Thankfully when kids in the UK go to school they don't need to contemplate that someone may attempt to kill them before hometime.
As an American, I can say I don't understand the gun-aholics either (alongside many, *many* other regressive ideas that seem to fester here).
Hahaha we don’t send our kids without worrying that’s a complete lie the amount of knife crime is insane especially in teenagers
@@ricksanchez-qx5zz I don’t know where you live. But I can reassure you that where I live we do not fear sending our children to school. I have 3, 2 have left school and one is at high school. I have NEVER worried about knife crime. Maybe we live in very different areas.
However the hahahaha is very immature!
@@ricksanchez-qx5zz I went to school in a not-so-great area of Glasgow when it was the knife capital of Europe, I never lived in a state of perpetual fear of being knifed. When I was at school I was threatened with a knife a couple of times, but it is a knife not a gun. If someone stabs you, you can potentially get away, and even if they did get you it would take them time to attack someone else/ you would have more time to seek medical help. I was never that worried. My parents never sent me to school concerned that I wouldn’t come back, or with an insert in my bag to use against someone who was coming at me with a knife. Even so, over the years Scotland passed stricter knife regulations, decreasing the number of knife crime instances. In some areas you might be scared walking down the street, but I’ve never had that translate into schools. Some schools are rougher than other but generally any actual fights took place outside of school. So yes, parents and kids may worry but to no where near the same levels as I imagine those in America do. We have MUCH less to fear.
It just baffles me how an 18 year old can go out and buy a firearm. But they are not allowed to buy a beer!
Kinder Egg toys are banned in the US because they're dangerous to children, apparently, but not guns..
You can own a gun under your very own FAC in England when your 14!!! (if an adult buys it for you). You can even shoot it unsupervised. There is no reason the Smith and Weston revolver used at Dunblane in long barrel format couldn't be owned by a 14 year old.
@@davedavids57 and no age for a shotgun certificate if memory serves me correctly.
Well if they have a gun… YOU DONT WANT THEM DRINKING ALCOHOL do u🤦♂️🤔
The British army issued me a 7.62 self loading rifle 23 months before i was old enough to order a beer in the naffi
The first step towards fixing a problem is to acknowledge that there is one. Too many people in the US, especially politicians just don't want to. Peace and love from the UK
There are plenty of people in the states who want change, unfortunately they don't have the lobbying power of the money that the NRA have, people don't rule, the almighty dollar does, have said it before "the US is a company, not a country" money talks and the opinions of the masses count for little in comparison
The thing is while there is a problem control is not the solution, guns or knives are not the problem , what is the problem is the lack of response from the police or other agency's in ether mental health checks or acting on intelligence. people lord over gun control like its the fix all solution when in reality it fixes nothing and in the years after the UK did it gun crime and shootings has only increased but now the public are mostly unarmed and in other areas knife crime spiked and has been a yearly rise. the sad reality is people want to kill or rob other people for what ever reason and blocking one weapon just means they will get it illegally or they will move to the next most deadly weapon.
Guns or knifes is a misdirection.
The discussion is on us gun deaths .
Mental health ?
No its fucking guns it only take one of life's twists to turn a responsible normal person beyond breaking point . In the USA people die from guns at an horrific rate compared to the rest of the developed world. This is for both getting shot and sticking the barrel against your own head and splattering the ceiling with your grey matter.
"UK did it gun crime and shootings has only increased but now the public are mostly unarmed and in other areas knife crime spiked and has been a yearly rise."
Hello it is nowhere near the rate of the US. In the UK having a box cutter without a legitimate purpose is a knife crime. In the US having a switch blade is legal in many states .
Whereabouts a favorite propaganda technique of bullshite artists from Russian trolls to NRA sycophants.
@@EQINOX187 No, the access to firearms is definitely a problem too. I don't understand this argument from the pro-gun people. Why do you want there to be only one problem and only one solution? There can be multiple issues and multiple solutions. And the thing with easy access to lethal weapons? Well, it means that they are easy to get a hold off. Duh! I know that I can get a hold of a gun in my country, of course I can. But I've got no idea where to even start. You might say I can just take a knife from my kitchen, but what planet do you live on if you think that's even remotely the same as shooting someone with a gun?
@@SilverEye91 I never said i was pro gun at all, being logical and using your brain does not make you pro gun it just makes you intelligent and able to use your brain, where as assuming something about someone kinda makes you look stupid, in every country that has banned guns or imposed heavy restrictions it did not stop gun crimes or murders committed with guns, and contrary to what you think guns are incredibly easy to get even in places like the UK, few years back a 16 year old kid in the UK robbed petrol station close to where i live and when questioned how he got the gun he said it was easy as going online, So if a kid in the UK with heavy gun control can then a nut job sure can.
As for a knife well its clear you do not have a clue , most mass shootings are close range so the gun only gets you a few extra feet in close quarters and in that situation a knife or larger blade is just as effective if not more so as it is silent, In the UK they have massive knife crime and its not always reported on by the media and mass stabbings happen all the time where a nut job goes around stabbing random people, the last one killed 8 people and seriously wounded 27, or how about Germany where a guy armed with a machete and knives entered a shopping center and started slashing and stabbing killing 17 people before he was finally taken down.
Banning guns never solves the issue and people like you seem to forget that in the US there are already heavy gun control in place with many laws and regulations and contrary to what you people think it is not as simple as walking into a shop picking up a can of coke a pack of gum and a gun, there are a ton of checks that need to be done before a legal gun sale can be finalized, and so to get a gun the person would have had to pass government checks, and even if he had failed that and could not get a gun he would have simply moved down to the next most lethal weapon and did what he did, so all banning guns would do is change the types of wounds and would not prevent the crime.
I'm from the UK and was 9yrs old when Dunblane happened. In school we wrote letters of condolence to the surviving children at Dunblane, and I remember really quickly afterwards the gun laws changed. Being from the countryside many of my family shoot but my uncle had handguns among his collection at that time. We totally understood why the handguns had to go and I don't remember there being any talk among the family about it being unreasonable or an infringement of our rights. I went through my entire education without ever feeling scared to go to school or scared of being shot. Lots of people still have guns and enjoy sport shooting, but with strict rules that make it safer for everyone. I feel heartbroken for people in the US who have been victims of gun violence. I hope things change for you soon.
My husband and I live in Scotland have handed in guns when my dad died. My husband (crofter) has gun license and a few guns but we just took all my dad's to police and handed them over didn't even cross our minds to do anything else with them they were no longer needed.
I appreciate your anger. That's something I have not seen much from the US and have wondered why. Sure there are plenty of people in the US who express their concern and do support gun control but the fact that there aren't more people like you, who are incandescent with rage has always surprised me. Keep it up.
Best wishes from Australia.
I am 37 years old and I have never even SEEN a gun in the UK aside from in museums etc. The idea that if you criminalise gun ownership only the criminals have guns is a bit tenuous in my view, availability is what counts. Frankly they are too damned available in the US
You can legally own one if you have a valid reason eg pest control on farm land.
I was also in the cadets at school and we were trained to use rifles.
BUT I have absolutely no valid reason to own a gun in my everyday life, so I can't own one - and I wouldn't have it any other way.
But yes, you're quite right - the average person will never see an active gun in the UK and that's just as it should be.
Uk also. Never physically seen a gun anywhere other than a museum or in the hands of a soldier (Irish checkpoint).
Gun deaths increased after the handgun ban....
I visited the States just before the pandemic, Pennsylvania to be precise. During my stay, I aided the friend with whom I was staying with a traffic incident. Sitting in the police station with the attending officer, I was within three feet of the Glock on his belt. That was the first and only time in my life I have ever been anywhere near a firearm. It really brought it home to me that I was definitely in another country.
@@KeplersDream You have never been to London I see. I lived there for 18 years and saw openly armed police a few times a week.
That poor man - Mick North - was a single parent. His wife had died from cancer after which he and his daughter became inseparable. It's incredible that he had the strength to carry on and achieve so much.
A better man than me, I couldn't live with that
The fact that he gave up his life and job to protest and force change is amazing.
I can feel your pain and frustration ,just tightening the gun rules a little in the US would save so many lives .I have had a firearms license in the UK and you have to be so clean to get one ,medical records ,family ,even past relationships are considered before the license is granted .Do I think this is against my civil rights ...hell no ...these laws are keeping my people safe.
The laws don't keep anyone safe. We have had terrorist attacks which killed terrible numbers because ultimately a person intent on harm will find a way to kill people. Just look at the insane neo-nazi Copeland or the Manchester bombing. Criminals get gun pretty easily and shoot each other or get some innocent bystander. The UK didn't even really have a problem with gun crime before the ban, it's was a tiny fraction of the crimes committed and most of it was by people who owned them illegally. The banning of the right to bear arms is an infringement upon our civil liberties and there are so many crimes which would not have happened if someone were armed. Imagine how many women could have saved themselves from rape if they had a pistol in their purse. How many old people could have shot a burglar?
I'm all for background checks and the US already has background checks. There is this ridiculous idea that anyone can just walk in a gun store and walk out within an hour clutching a high powered rifle or pistol. It's not that simple.
100% exactly. Plus, having gone through all those checks (+ that it can be taken off you) you're going to be totally responsible with it (which i'm sure you are anyway). So it's not as though you're going to be lending it out to people, or leave it lying around (etc) either. Which also minimises the chances of unauthorised people getting hold of your firearm, too, so another safety feature. [el'sda2].
It baffles me why this has not happened in the US. It's infuriating! .
Agreed. Especially when Americans keep banging on it's a mental health issue and the system needs more support for these folk but reject vetting or restrictions on guns. I shake my head and wait to hear for the next shooting.
Yes, and as far as the gun licence community are concerned, a policeman is quite welcome to come in an inspect your gun cabinet etc , its a privilege earned. The 2nd Amendment (a relic of history) is wielded as some sort of weird religion.
As a British person, I want to thank you so much for making this video. You brought tears to my eyes.
Here in the UK, we look at what's happening in the USA in disbelief. I feel like every month I go into work and the topic of discussion is a recent mass shooting in the states and everytime these shootings happen I only see Americans online defending guns.
You are amazing for openly saying you want change as an American, you have restored my faith that things could possibly change.
I'm so grateful that I've grown up in a country (I was 5 when the shooting in Scotland happened) where I have never been scared of being shot in school or out and about. I can't even imagine what it must be like for American kids going to school.
And that's just the mass shootings. I looked it up the over the day, there's something like 50+ firearms deaths every day in America. It's so constant that most deaths, most shootings, aren't going to make the news.
From a UK perspective this is an American problem for two reasons. 1. It’s in your constitution, however that was written in 1791. The only firearms that were available were single round guns and rifles like Flintlock. They could fire around 3 rounds a minute maximum. That is all people should be allowed to own freely as that is what the 2nd Amendment was referring to. 2nd. There should be made illegal for politicians to receive payment of any kind from people like the NRA who are the lobbying body for the gun manufacturers. We do not have this (maybe we do but not to the same extent) in the UK, Australia or New Zealand. As a result there was no financial loss for the Politicians to vote in stronger gun laws after we had these kind of events. Ted Cruz is never going to even speak out against guns if he is getting big dollars from the NRA.
Again from the UK perspective, wasn't the second ammendment created so the local population (all able bodied men at the time) could easily form a militia and defend themselves. As such owning the same weapons as an army had an home was the intended outcome.
Also the idea that politicians in the states only support gun rights because they are paid by the NRA is a strange one, just look at the figures. Between 1990 and 2020 Gun rights organisations donated: $69.3 million to election campaigns with gun control organisations donating $51.6 million. However that's absolutely peanuts in US terms. Take Bloomberg LP (the company managed by ex Dem NYC major) they donated $171,767,055 in just one year (2019-20). Ted Cruz got $176,274 in donations from the NRA in 2020 (the last year figures are available) out of a total of $54,749,210 raised for his campaign. So that's 0.321% of the money he raised. The actual reason that gun rights organisations are so effective is lobbying. This is mainly through unpaid lobbying by hundreds thousands of pro gun supporters. Gun rights supporters are extremely well organised at a grass route level. Strangely enough the NRA aren't responsible for most of this its actually the GOA (gun owners of america) and similar organisations who provide huge numbers of supporters for canvassing, letter writing and contacting members of legislators.
By 1791 the puckle gun had been around for over 70 years and the kalthoff and cookson repeaters had been around for over 100 years. Cannons were also included under the second amendment. Criminalising drugs hasn't slowed the consumption of them so why would criminalising firearms do the same. We have pretty horrific gun crime here in the UK too and alot of people have them through less than legitimate means. In London in 2010 there were 499 shootings for reference.
@@dahpughie criminalising guns or drugs will not work I agree. However legislating guns could. Half of the US political system just doesn't want to do anything. That's the issue. We had a deaths from firearms rate in the UK of 0.23 per 100,000 in 2020,In the US that rate was 12.21 per 100,000. We had one mass shooting and changed laws, so did Australia, New Zealand and Norway that isn't the only reason but helps keep gun deaths a rarity.
@@thebletchleybiker7780 Americans should probably start using their guns for the intended purpose of the 2nd amendments, their politicians seem shitter than ours lol
The power will only be removed from the gun companies if America makes lobbying of politicians illegal. The system is far from perfect, but it does help prevent any conflict of interest issues, bias & corruption.
Again as a Brit, I find it absolutely mind boggling (and incredibly frustrating & infuriating) that these manufacturers have so much power over political decision making. They are essentially dictating. How/when did that loss of control happen? When did the lines become blurred? Where is the boundary? Who is really in charge of decision making?
I don't understand how pro gun Americans think that the answer to the issues around mass shootings is to.....have more guns. So by that logic, do you put a house fire out by lighting another fire? Fight fire with fire? One proposed 'solution' is to arm school teachers!! How many teachers even support that? It's madness. You might as well train police officers to be master bakers. That way, when dealing with a hostage situation, or suicidal person, they can just simply whip up a nice, lovely cake or pastry, to defuse the situation. For me, that's how ridiculous & absurd it is to even think about arming teachers.
I send my thoughts from Scotland.
For those who are all angry at the thought of gun control - how can you think it's normal or even acceptable that ***A SCHOOL*** has 'Active Shooter' drill as if it was a fire drill? As an outsider viewing the situation, it looks absolutely batshit crazy.
Stay safe, hug your kids and talk to them about their hopes and fears over this.
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Question for you what messures do you think should be done that arent in place? (I am from Ireland)
@@yagsipcc287 Honestly - I wish I knew. In a country with more guns than people and a culture that has been geared towards "I need a gun to protect me from people with guns", it's going to take a far better person than me to work out what to do.
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@@BunnyKins1970 so do you blame people who own guns legally for gun crime when almost all gun crime is done by people with illegally held guns? seems like it tbh since you think something ahould be done aginast those people. There is nothing wrong with guns. Also you sont understand. Guns are there to protect you not only from people but the government and any other forces that would try to harm you, what is yours etc... Also states with the most liberal gun laws have the lowest gun crime as well as violent crimes, the places with the most strict gun laws have the worst gun crime by far. US government own data also shows that gun owners stop 500k-3.5 million crimes are stopped by gun owners almost all without firing a shot. Criminals are the ones doing almost all gun crimes not legal gun owners. Here in Ireland if I defend myself by any means I am more likely to go to jail for longer than the person who attacked me, even if they break into my home, we have what is called "reasonable force laws" that are a joke made up by political clowns who think the world is a Kung Fu movie. They actually said "you just have to knock someone out if they break into your home" most people when knocked out are out cold for a couple of seconds max! Also most people wouldn't have a clue how. It's a joke here ha (I am a kixkboxer) also here in the Republic there are just under 5million people and around 220k guns, handguns, rifles (bolt and semi) shotguns etc... Gun crime is going up and it's not by gun owners we now have massive gang problems. (US gun violence is done almost totally by gangs) also it's either Switzerland or Norway has more guns than the US per capita. Not an issue there because again it's criminals who do crimes just like everywhere else.
@@yagsipcc287 OK. I am not commenting any further on this subject as it feels like there is an agenda approaching.
I just feel sad that so many people are dying needlessly and I have no solution for it.
That is all.
Thank you for your time.
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@@BunnyKins1970 ha ok... So you believe in something is not an agenda but when I do and even point out things it is an agenda. When I point out facts it's a problem, when I point out government data it's a problem, when I point out how almost all gun crime is done by criminals with illegally held guns and point to countries with higher gun ownership it's a problem 🤣 ok cool goodbye.
When I was growing up, I used to watch the shows on Nickelodeon that came over from the USA and always used to think "wow, school looks so cooler there than here". As I became a teenager, and was more engaged in what was happening around the world, I retracted that thought I had as a kid and realised how fortunate I was to have been able to attend school here in the UK without the fear that I'd be killed
As a mother who lives in the UK, I'm so thankful that I can send my son to school and not worry that he's going to get shot. I really feel for US parents x
Sadly ,Emma ,it does happen here too...there was again incident 10 years ago here on the wirral near a school and shops...the gunman even aimed at me my wife and kids as we unknowingly drove into the middle of it all...momentarily in a split second thought of running him over , reversed away at approximately 40 50mph...that's what I was told..the gunman was released from psychiatric hospital and I see him at the local shops most days...banal indeed...
Despite your personal experience, being a victim of a mass shooting, or being even in the same town at the same time as one, in the UK, is significantly rarer than getting struck by lighting.
@@eh1702 fair enough...
nah just stabbed now.
Well said. Cried most of the way through. I was 15 at school in UK when Dunblane happened. I just can't believe the US attitude toward this problem, it seems as if guns are more important than children over there.
It's even sadder that they happen so often that they are sometimes go unnoticed....
One school shooting is one too many. How many is it going to take until there's action?
It seems crazy to us outside America, that nothing is ever done 🙁
In the UK before Dunblane, the previous school shooting was in 1850.
There have been NONE since 1996.
What is being allowed to perpetuate in the US is utter MADNESS.
My daughter was 2 when Dunblane happened and I remember holding her extra tight while crying and watching the news. So glad that I live in a country where she never needed a bullet proof backpack or had to participate in active shooter drills.
Andy Murray, former UK no 1 at tennis, came from Dunblane
Stay safe 😍
Yeah, Murray is in the video.
His brother Jamie was also a student. Andy is clearly very moved and angry.
I'm from the UK, the same age as the Dunblane kids and I've never had to worry about guns in my life.
My American friends really want me to visit them, but no part of me wants to be in that country, I would be way too anxious the whole time.
I sincerely hope things change - I cannot understand the gun obsession as hard as I try! 😔
It beats me how anyone can deny there is a problem that needs something doing about it! I don't support a blanket gun ban, even us in the UK don't have that, as a legal sporting shooter I'm thankful if hasn't gone that far. The fact that in many states anyone can walk into a shop and buy semi automatic its just wrong. There needs to be control, assessment, vetting, licencing and controls. Fuking end of argument to me. This needs to stop.
As a fellow UK sports shooter, I can't help but think it's only a matter of time until the anti gun lobby over here manage to force the powers that be into legislating us into extinction.
I have my grandfather’s old shotgun that’s a century old and I wouldn’t risk firing and my father has a pump shotgun and a .22 rifle. They don’t get used more than once or twice a year.
But here in Ireland, it requires paying a deposit to the gun dealer, taking the serial number, getting forms from the cops, filling them out including your details, your address, your intended use of the gun, the gun’s serial number, make and model, whether it has a suppressor or scope, how much ammo you intend to hold at any one time, your doctor’s name, two names the cops can contact as character references, any gun club you’re a member of and a certificate that you have completed a gun safety course (3 hour NRA course). Then you meet the firearms officer for a short interview, he then sends your application to his boss to sign off on. You then get a certificate in the post which allows you to purchase the gun and get your full licence.
It takes couple of months at least. I wouldn’t like to think it was any easier than that.
It's because it wasn't their kids that died.
everything you said exist all ready in the u.s
@C Summers Well said.
I simply cannot imagine living in a society where active shooter drills are a thing.
Thank you. It’s refreshing to hear an American decry the gun culture. The bottom line is if you haven’t got a gun you can’t shoot someone. Yes you might be able to use a knife etc….but you can run from a knife, you can’t run from a gun. At the very least why do you need a semi automatic rifle. I mean seriously, there’s no rational argument for that. The only argument is I like big guns so I want one. That’s simply not a valid reason! The gun culture in America genuinely scares most of the rest of the world!
What is your answer to the original reason Americans having the second amendment: protection against a tyrannical government?
@@lmn6440 it’s not the 1600’s anymore?
So you're either saying that tyranny is a thing of the past and can't happen now or that the second amendment won't stop a tyranny. Which one if either?
@@lmn6440 I’m saying Neither. I’m saying it’s the 21st Century, America has the biggest military in the world you aren’t being invaded! Also the sheer size of your populace makes it nigh on impossible for a ‘government takeover’, which is actually a laughable statement when you think about it…. Plus if there was, your AR - 15 ain’t winning against a tank!
@@lmn6440 A government with the most expensive military in the world would laugh at a few nujobs with guns trying to overthrow it. Also, there's no well regulated militia anyway.
I was a ten year old primary school student (year 6) in England when the Dunblane massacre happened. I remember my class teacher talking to us about what had happened to those children in Dunblane. Every student in our school wrote a letter sending our thoughts and wishes to the parents, children and staff at the school. That is something that I always remember when I hear about Dunblane. As far as I know this was a borough wide thing that happened. I’m 37 years old now with a ten year old and eight year old. I can’t even begin to contemplate what it would be like to send them to school one day for them to never return home. Absolutely heartbreaking.
The big difference here in the UK is that once all the kids are in school the gates get all locked up, and there are security doors throughout the school once inside. If a kid is late to school they have to buzz in to the main office where someone will come and open the door for you before taking you to your classroom. Nobody can just come wandering into the school.
That's a relatively new thing, I'm 35 and grew up attending a rural primary school where the only thing that stopped us wandering out of the little wooden gate that fastened with a basic bolt was fear of being told off and well-instilled 'stranger danger'. I'm not sure what stopped people wandering in other than it was a small community and a stranger would have been spotted a mile off and asked what their business being there was. Regardless, the idea that someone would walk in with a gun and open fire has always, thankfully, been inconceivable.
Yes the same here. I'm 30 and I could just skive out the back and not be noticed, even the entrance was open as well
No civilian needs to own an AR-15 assault rifle (or similar) and no civilian should ever be in a position to buy one, let alone an 18 year old.
I think theY would be semi auto so the type of gun is not the problem but the type of owner of any gun is.
The term "assault rifle" is a completely made up loaded term. Adding an easier to hold grip and replacing the woodwork with low maintenance plastic makes an ordinary gun magically become an "assault rifle" but in reality it hasn't become any more dangerous than it already was. Banning guns just because they're black and feature a wipe-clean finish is absurd, and it's that sort of hysterical stupidity why people won't try to engage in a real common sense conversation on the subject.
@@Dave-bu6bc every name for a type of weapon is made up,the term assault rifle has been in use since ww2 and has specific features ,being select fire is ine of them and it is the literal translation of sturmgewehr,I think you are referring to "assault weapons" which was penned in the 90s by the media to make things like the ar15 sound scarier the a mini14.
"No civilian needs to own an AR-15 assault rifle" According to who? You can go to War at 18 but that's too young to own a gun? Willfull ignorance is the issue.
@@biggzie_ if you are going to war, then you are in the forces....and no longer a civilian!
I live in Chichester in the UK, last year a man carrying a gun was seen walking around town and had been sighted near to a school within minutes of the sighting every school in proximity to him enacted their lockdown procedures. This happened minutes before school pick up, my wife had taken my young son to pick up my daughter - I can tell you now I don't think I've ever been so scared in my life. I ran to that school and can tell you now the police response was massive, helicopters up and armed and unarmed officers all over. The school had let in as many parents as they could but those arriving after locked down were left outside including my wife and child, luckily an off duty police officer was with them and other parents he took it upon himself to be an liaison with on duty officers who arrived on the scene to secure the area. The man was found roughly half a mile away and arrested, his house raided the investigation is still on going.
I can't imagine living in a country were firearms are so prevalent, I grew up on a farm and my grandfather and dad taught me how to shoot as a kid, my dad still enjoys his shooting, has a license and engages in his sport in the safety of a local gun club - I am no stranger to firearms but agree with the rules in the UK with regard to ownership.
This is what gets me about the argument you always hear about "if you take away legal guns, then only the bad guys will have guns".
Yes... good!
That means if you see someone with a gun, they're almost certainly a bad guy.
You take appropriate action.
You don't have to wait until the bodies start hitting the ground before you decide they're a bad guy.
@@Murdo2112 100%
Hi neighbour - I’m from Gosport!
Havant here! I'm between you both!
Littlehampton signing in, hello there
Great heartfelt reaction buddy.
I heard the news yesterday and although I live in the UK, and am far removed from this atrocity, I wept for the pure innocents that were lost to the World
How can we refer to ourselves as a civilisation when shit like this happens (again).
The Money people that fund and legitimise these ongoing horrors should be held accountable.
I live in the UK, last week we got an email from school about not putting chocolate in the kids packed lunches.....I like that this is my biggest concern.
THIS NEEDS TO GO VIRAL THIS IS THE CORRECT MENTALITY
First of all, thank you for your emotion and respect on this matter. I was a police officer in the UK before Dunblane, I was also a firearms officer in the force and an active sports shooter with rifles and small arms. As a police officer before Dunblane I used to approve firearms certificates, and we would visit and interview prospective licensees, check their security arrangements, their police record and assess their attitude to the use of forearms. We as constables could object to any licence if we felt there was something wrong. After Dunblane, due to the idiocy of a certain police inspector who ignored waning signs, the world changed and rightly so. There is no need to hold a firearm like this, I still enjoy sporting pistol shooting with a .177 air gun, I don't need a 9mm. I went to Dunblane to pay me respects, I cried tears at your video thinking about those lost innocents. I live in a country where it is highly unlikely my children will be shot at school, where we don't have armed police officers guarding our primary schools, where I can walk through my cities with confidence that I will be safe. I hope one day your country will see the light, it is no longer the Wild West!!! Looks a bit odd without the beard, but I also like the change.
Did you retire and live in the country. There are more illegal firearms discharges in the UK with illegal firearms than ever before. Hopefully the scumbag gangs keep it among themselvesbut it is increasing problem . You don't need rapid firing weapons though. Hopefully commom sense will prevail
Totally agree, coming from a shooting family. The police would come round and check the house, all very friendly but it absolutely kept us aware that we had a dangerous weapon on the premises and we had to take great care of it. It wasn't a toy.
@@davefool6815 Doesn't alter the fact of how safe England is compared to America as regards guns.
@@DeneF Oh yeah I agree. But you get the scumbags on the rise. And all the guns they use are illegal and unregistered... Not stolen from license gun owners.. they get them whether gun control or not.
Guns dont kill people ! - people do ! there are more people killed through the misuse of motor vehicles in the UK than through the misuse of guns - fact ! but they don't ban cars, they ban the drivers and rightly so !! Why then did they ban handguns which were already only approved for club membership target shooting ??? because an agenda exists where they want to remove all firearms, including shotguns from private ownership. It was the same after Hungerford where they had to be seen to do something so the initial stage was to remove self loading part one firearms from public ownership. Law abiding gun owners don't hold up post offices and banks with police registered firearms !! and it is probably much easier to obtain an illicit firearm in Britain than it is to obtain a legally approved one. Also don't forget that people like Hamilton and Ryan were approved by the police authority in their area. Just your luck if the Chief Constable of your licensing area is not disposed to shooting or firearms ??? Personally speaking, I never had any problems with them, but I know of a lot of incidences where law abiding citizens have been treated like suspected criminals which they most certainly were not.
Total school shootings this year in America is 27, They don't even make the news if only one child dies, There has also been 209 children die by accidents due to finding unsecured weapons in the home they either shot themselves or a sibling.
One of the most heartfelt genuine reactions I've ever seen!!! ✌🏼🇬🇧
I’m from the UK and when one of my neighbours sadly chose to commit suicide there was a mass police presence because he legally owned guns. They had to make sure they weren’t used in his suicide and that they were still in the safe. I believe they also took them out of the home after that too.
Why didn't they try and stop his suicide?
@@wolfzmusic9706 they probably would have done if they were alerted before the event. It seems like Rebecca's neighbour was found or help arrived after the event. And simply the fact that he owned guns led to the police presence when they came to investigate. Even if say a paramedic removed a gun from the neighbours hand as they attempted life saving measures and it went off would be a terrible risk - assuming they used a gun.
Rebecca, my condolences for your neighbour. So sad.
I am from the UK and I am a Iicensed shotgun owner. Guns are sti avaiIabIe here but the reforms make it much MUCH harder for anyone to get one with maIice in mind. The poIice wiII interview you, they wiII speak to your doctor and every other medicaI service you have used. You must give consent for this to happen. They wiII visit your home. If you are suspected of any crime or your doctor says so, you must surrender your weapons untiI you are checked again. Every gun you own can onIy be singIe shot with the exception of pump action shotguns which can hoId upto three cartridges. This process takes months.
This happened after just one schooI shooting. In the 25 years that have foIIowed we have had onIy one mass shooting and that was not schooI reIated. Gun crime itseIf is now aImst zero.
The answer is to ban everything semi auto and above whiIst bringing in massive checks. Every singe other first worId country that has gun controI has practicaIIy stopped schooI shootings and has aImost zero gun crime, why not the US?
True freedom is being abIe to go to schooI without metaI detectors, armed guards and without fear of becoming a statistic. Being abIe to have miIitary grade weapons is an incrediby stupid notion.
Never feel ashamed to feel how you feel, as someone from the UK I don’t understand the appeal of owning a gun, but to see the emotion on the faces of the parent who have lost their children, it’s awful, my hart goes out to you, hopefully someday it will change, love from the UK
As you said, such a multi layered problem, and I really don't understand (especially as a Brit) why the right to have a gun is more important than children's lives.
When you see how affected Andy Murray is to this day, it breaks my heart to think how many live with this pain in the USA. 🖤💔🖤
Statistically speaking, you have a higher percentage of being shot in Norway, Finland or Sweden, than an average person in the U.S. does. [Sorry, I can not find the video with the information] When you remove suicides, justified homicides, and not involved in gang or criminal activities. Our homicide rate drops to one of the lowest in western society.
As per the multi layer problems, they can be summed up as follows.
1. Lack of proper parental oversight and discipline. Along with the breakup of the nuclear family, especially among the poorest demographics. But we also see this same negative effect in middle and upper class families as well.
2. The lack of mental health and support options, especially for men and teens. Along with the over drugging teens and young adults, with psychotropic drugs. [In every public mass shooting, especially the school ones, have one common denominator. All of the shooters were on or supposed to be on psychotropic drugs.] Drugs are not the solution to helping people with mental health issues. Alone they're nothing but a crutch.
3. The absolute breakdown in morality and civility,(which isn't just a U.S. issue)among our youth and political leaders.
4. The total foundational collapse of our public education system, due to the far leftist extremists total take over, from PK to University levels.
5. Lack of full and proper enforcement of existing laws.
@@lennychorn147 I don't think this is true. FBI estimates 13% of gun homicides are linked to gangs. You had, for example, 19300 gun deaths in 2020 (that's not including the suicides). Finland had 2, Norway had 2 and Sweden had 47 (if we're removing gang related shootings even less). Even adjusting for the USA's much larger population the per capita gun death is exponentially higher there.
@@callumlynn1431 The per capita gun related deaths, has little to do with the likelihood of being a victim. Which was my point in making that comment. When you compare population size, to the number of annual victims, as well as the total size of the country. Your chances of ever being a victim of a crime, let alone a violent crime, drops significantly.
That overall number also drops significantly further, when you remove justified homicides by police and civilians, as well as accidental(negligent)homicides, that involves firearms. Which are included in the statistics.
I honestly have to question that gangs make up only 13 percent of homicides. Especially given that in places like Chicago, they account for at least 80% of homicides involving firearms.
@@lennychorn147 Statistics are like a streetlight to a drunken man -- used to light the way, or to prop yourself up. I think you are using them to prop up a very corrupt system that doesn't care about people, including little children in Texas and 84-year old women in New York State dying unnecessarily.
@@lennychorn147 What is a "justified homicide"? And how is it different from a murder?
I was shocked when I went to a Walmart for the first time and found guns for sale in the same store as kids toys. If this had happened in the UK the police would have taken that bastard down immediately even though they wouldn't have been armed with a firearm. STOP SELLING GUNS TO THE PUBLIC.
I'm from the UK. I'm a teacher. My partner was wondering about taking a job opportunity in America. I said that he could go right ahead, but if there is one country I will never live and work in, especially as a teacher, it's America. It simply is not worth the risk.
It was hard watching you go through that, man, it's horrible. Have a virtual beer mate.
Thank you for showing the Dunblane shooting on this video, it’s one of the most horrible times we have had in the U.K. we changed our laws & it’s improved.
You are very brave to bring this to your channel, much respect to you my man!
Totally agree, best wishes from the wirral..
I think its really cool that people are educating themselves constantly to really get an understanding of this totally messed up situation.
I cannot imagine what it is like to be scared to send children to school, I really hope something does happen to stop this happening. I never knew Andy Murray was a survivor, that must be horrible for him, asking himself "why did I live and they died". Poor guy.
Yeah I’ve always wondered if that’s part of the reason he shows very little emotion ever and speaks in a very dull way 🤷♂️ but maybe I’m just jumping to conclusions
Yes, there are very sensitive issues that must be going through his mind his whole life. Perhaps him getting into his tennis helped him to shut it out and helped make him such a good player. But tennis is just a game where as Dunblane was such an awful tragedy especially for those directly involved obviously!
@@josephkeenan9143 nah he's just Scottish. 😉
@@lizcollinson2692 😂😂 aye cannae argue with that
God had him earmarked for Wimbledon 😊
We haven’t always done things to be proud of here in the U.K., but this was very much a proud moment for this island when they took decisive action
I live about fifteen miles from Dunblane and I remember well the shock that was felt throughout our local area, and the rest of Scotland at that time. It was just unimaginable that anyone could do that in a primary school, and Dunblane itself was considered a very safe small country town. I remember the police officer's voice cracking as he read out the names of the dead children on the news. It was just something we never thought could happen. In Scotland, criminal record checks on people who worked with children (as the perpetrator here did) were also tightened up and it became the norm for youth workers, teachers etc to have criminal record checks run before starting a job. That system has had an overhaul and improved recently.
It's hard to try and explain, and I would think for the majority of Americans to imagine, but I would say, even before Dunblane and the law change, the vast majority of Brits, didn't even know anyone that had a gun, let alone own one, so in the respect of the law/restrictions etc it effected a tiny minority of people, and like most restrictive laws, if it doesn’t effect the majority then there is little protest, complaint etc it's just accepted.
The other point worth mentioning was the shock, I can still remember where I was when it was reported on the news, as will a lot of people, shootings were rare, the shock and disbelief went a long way in accepting any change in the law.
Sad thing about America with every school shooting gun sales go up
@@ianmurray1913 because there is a fear that laws might be passed restricting sales
We didnt only have Dunblane - which changed the ownership and permitted use of handguns, but Hungerford - which I think was shotguns ?
@@highpath4776 Yes I know all about Hungerford, and the same applies regards minority of those affected by the changes in the law. The US is completely different if they stop sales tomorrow of certain types of guns, what % effect would it have, given the guns currently privately owned, if they ban those and stop private ownership, you can argue its potentially a greater reduction regards risk of future attacks, but the UK bans haven't really affected the use or availability of illegal guns by criminals, something that given the number of guns in the US will obviously be a bigger issue.
Not arguing regards changes to licensing or increased background checks or anything else, but when you live in a country that has so many guns, someone that is determined to get one, will and by any means
@@brendancasey866 Australia would be a closer example, there was more of a gun culture there than in the UK and successfully changed its gun laws.
I don't know if any fellow British will agree but, in the eighties growing up the news was sometimes all about terrorism attacks, soldiers being killed, families being blown up in their homes, people going about their daily business blown up by the IRA, I think by the mid nineties I was sort of desensitised to it all, then Dunblane happened and it was like the whole of the UK just stopped dead, it hit everybody hard, and like you said on the video we just went 'fuck that'. R.I.P to all the victims of Dunblane , Never forgotten. 🤍🤍🤍
I remember when this happened . Watching this again, it was almost as heartbreaking as when it happened. If I remember correctly, the teacher died shielding the children from the gunfire. A truly tragic day.
They was only little toddlers aswell, just baby's. It's not as if they was teenagers that could have understood what was happening and ran away or hidden. The poor little sods had no chance.
@@gutz323 it was unreal.
I have been privileged to visit the USA twice in my life and I loved every minute of it , but an experience I had on my way to Walmart on a bus in Arkansas has stuck with me to this day . I got talking to a chap on the bus who worked at Walmart and the conversation went on to guns . To my shock he showed me a pistol he had in a revolver on his hip and he explained he had a licence to carry it ,he then said he had a shotgun in his van and a number of firearms at his home . He asked me what I had at home and I told him zero ,I have never held a gun ,never fired a gun and until this point never been so close to a gun . The look on his face was pure and total shock ,he could not understand how can you not have guns ,and there is the problem it is ingrained and I am sorry but I think there is nothing you can do and no matter how many mass shootings happen nothing will change . I weep for you I really do . And to cap it off I had a young man at Walmart allowing me to hold rifles and explaining how to buy a gun whilst I was buying a bucket of jerky?
As far as the UK is concerned, you have hit the nail on the head. Guns were a complete mystery to everybody around me. My youth was post war when we had been fighting an enemy and the family members that had been to war, my father included, would never discuss guns or the way they had been used. The first gun I ever held was when I joined the army cadets. The .303 rifles we had were converted to .22 but there were strict rules about their use on the gun range. The first time I handled a real gun was when I joined the navy but I really had no overriding need to have any relationship with gun ownership. I am old now but so glad that my children and grandchildren have gone through school and university without ever coming in contact with a handgun, rifle or other weapon. Glad that they didn't have to have instruction about possible attacks by a crazed gunman and were never afraid to go to school. I am so glad that I do not know any person who owns a gun except for a local farmer who has a shotgun. I treat police as my friends, although I expect problems if I break the law, but I am safe in the knowledge that if I was pulled over in my car, I could get out, meet the copper and have a pleasant conversation without getting shot because I put my hand in my pocket. I will live in the UK in safety, you American citizens can do what you like but please do something positive so that your young people can live a life without fear.
What was the problem? Other than your shock and lack of experience clues to a gun?
@@brianwithers162 all of my gun knowledge comes from call of duty and gta lol
@@brutaldeluxe6754 Actually there is no problem. I have no need for any sort of firearm in my life. I know that my neighbours don't want to own one and I know that the criminal fraternity would not come after me with a gun. The penalties for robbery with a weapon are extreme in this country so they do not carry. If they are caught doing a robbery, the penalty is so much less if they are not "tooled up" as they say on TV. I carried a weapon in my duties in the Royal Navy but it wasn't something that gave me a hardon, unlike the effect some American citizens obtain from their weaponry.
I live in Ireland been around guns my entire life (I am 31 now) Go into any gun store they will let you look and hold any weapon they have why you ask? Simple to see how it feels, you may or may not need a shorter or longer stock for it to feel right for you and your body. People who well know nothing about guns of course act weird and "scared" free and ingorence (not insulting you or anything) most non gun people do not know things about guns and it is very well displaced within the US. Example many of the things people want in place are already in place. Also almost all gun crime is done by well criminals just like everywhere else US governemnt own data on gun owners stopping crimes is 500k-3.5 million per year, all while almost all of them never fire a shot.
I am from Glasgow, Scotland. Dunblane is approx 25 miles away as the crow flies or 35 minute drive. When the school shooting happened in Dunblane there was a shock wave throughout the country. It was, however, several weeks before I realised that my Primary school age daughter was developing severe stomach problems on a particular day of the week. This turned out to be the day her class would be in the gymnasium and she was being overwhelmed by panic at the thought that she might be harmed at school. Look to your children America - it's not just those involved directly who suffer.
The shock of Dunblane shook the UK to the core. The country was grief stricken. The politicians reacted and laws were passed. What is the difference with America? The politicians passing the laws in the UK did not face a well financed and powerful gun lobby. There is no big gun money in the UK. No British politicians receive money and support by any rifle associations. So the laws were passed. It's always about money in the end.
The Port Arthur massacre of 28-29 April 1996 was a mass shooting in which 35 people were killed and 23 others were wounded in Port Arthur, Tasmania. Forced Stricter Gun Laws in the Australia.
Yes Australia now has similar gun laws to Britain had before the Dunblane Massacre!
Oh EB, I feel your pain. It will take a major shift in people's thinking to deal with this. God bless you all in the US.
😡 If your god existed it would not have permitted this and all other atrocities to occur. Unless it wanted them to happen . . . ‘Mysterious ways’ unknown to us?
@@sirmeowthelibrarycat
Like you, I question a deity that allows such things, in fact I question the idea of a deity at all. However, lots of people believe in God, my brother included. I would never scoff at his beliefs or belittle him. To many people those words God Bless You mean something, and to show I care I acknowledge that fact. We all need love in our lives. Is it so to show compassion in such a way,
Sorry my finger slipped. I meant is it so wrong to show compassion in this way?
@@marythurlow9132 many in the US believe in God. And many of those very same people own and love their guns. They fight tooth and nail, in the name of their god, to ban things like abortion. But those very same god loving, gun toting people foam at the mouth the moment anyone suggests tightening gun laws to help protect the lives of those who are actually born. Instead, their solution is more god, more guns, more god bless America, followed by thought and prayers to anyone affected by distracious policies.
@@Ryedo40 Did you not read my earlier reply?
Our hearts go out to all people affected by this dreadful event. Most people outside of America just don't understand the American attitude to guns. The BBC is saying on their news pages, "The US ratio of 120.5 firearms per 100 residents, up from 88 per 100 in 2011, far surpasses that of other countries around the world". Would it be so bad to have stricter gun laws?
220 million US citizens are for stricter gun controls. What i don't understand is why the British haven't arrested that pedophile Prince Andrew yet but seem to be so worked up over the US not protecting children.
And they keep arguing the solution is more guns. How many more guns do they think people need to be as safe? Is it 150 per 100? 200? When is that magic tipping point?
I feel for you so much. I live in the uk and when heard about the shooting, it got me so angry and sad that this can happen. Something has to Change! They've just got to get it done. Kids might not always like school, but they shouldn't fear it. Love to everyone out there who wants change. And screw the rest who don't!
I’m a mum in the UK, and seeing parents trying to get bullet proof back packs for their kids, and the kids having to learn the drills for the active shooter breaks my heart. I don’t Understand why America (as a whole) prioritise the right to bear arms, over the safety of their children!would 100% home school my kids if I was in the USA. Absolutely heartbreaking.
Really hope people get courageous and determined enough to turn things around in the US. Tighter restrictions on dangerous weapons and help for those with mental health issues. It's all so so sad.
I can still remember collecting my 5 year old son from school and being given the news on Dunblane tragedy. It haunted me for days. The sweet children were mostly his age. We lived in south England at the time.
As a non US citizen I would think I echo what most of us outside looking in think: Firstly the US forefathers enshrined gun ownership at a time when the weapons were really primitive, and they would probably not have done so had they had a crystal ball - they did not want America to become a place where kids are blown away by crazy folk carrying military grade automatic assault rifles! Second, the NRA / Heston line about 'Any gun in the hands of a bad man is a bad thing. Any gun in the hands of a decent person is no threat to anybody, except bad people' is so obviously flawed and stupid, it's hard to believe a great nation who put man on the moon could swallow it as true.... Guns breed fear, which compels more and more people to carry guns which makes the cycles of killing just get worse and worse. It's like an Animal Farm thing - one gun bad, two guns good. It's rubbish, because you can be carrying a gun but the person with intent to use a gun and harm ALWAYS has the element of surprise. He can walk up behind you and shoot you in the back without you even knowing it is about to happen - what use is the damn gun you are carrying in your jacket pocket then? It's no use whatsoever to you! If you go into the office, and the guy you were happily talking to yesterday at the coffee machine has had a mental breakdown overnight he can come into the office the next day and slaughter everyone without them ever knowing he was going to do it..... Again, if you are not expecting to be shot then the element of surprise is always going to make your carrying of a gun pretty pointless (unless you have psychic telepathy powers 360 degrees vision!). The only solution is to get rid of guns from your streets. Otherwise this is going to be a groudhog day event of never ending gun deaths. Will this come true? - 'will the last person standing in the USA not killed by gun violence kindly turn out the lights....'. Don't let this be your fate USA - DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE!
It's false to say the weapons were really primitive, multi shot weapons already existed for decades before the bill of rights was ratified and those ratifying it were well aware of them..
Nobody has been blown away by a "military grade automatic assault rifle", now you're just resorting to falsehood.
Do you even know what automatic means? That's a machine gun, takes many years to get the federal firearms license to legally own one.
Assault rifle is a made up term designed to sound scary and can mean as little as an ordinary gun with a wipe clean finish.
The AR15 which is alleged to have been used is not of a grade that any military would accept, dishonest to call it military grade.
Lying like this is why nobody on the pro gun side will even engage in having a conversation about sensible gun laws, it's not a productive conversation if it consists entirely of rebutting falsehoods and debunking breathless panicky screeching.
"Any gun in the hands of a decent person is no threat to anybody, except bad people" is clearly not flawed and stupid, good people with guns have stopped mass shootings, and defended themselves and others on numerous occasions. There are multiple examples in the first page of results from a google search for "good guy with a gun". Just because you put your fingers in your ears and pretend to not hear it doesn't make it flawed, that makes YOU flawed, and just because it doesn't work in 100% of circumstances doesn't mean we should reject it altogether. Seatbelts don't work in 100% of circumstances, should we get rid of seatbelts?
Not saying I have a better solution to the problem, just saying that engaging in dishonest loaded language and falsehood is not the solution to the problem.
How do you get rid of guns from the streets? It's physically impossible. Even if you ban all gun ownership, criminals will not obey your ban, they're criminals, by definition they don't obey laws. if you round up all the guns then you only make it more desirable for a criminal to equip themselves with a gun, you're just creating a stimulus for gun smugglers. Criminals already know the safest place for them to operate with a gun is a gun free zone, that's why over 90% of shootings take place in gun free zones, turning everywhere into a gun free zone will have the opposite effect to what you intend by creating more safe spaces for armed criminals. It's the same flavor of dumb as the idea of reducing crime by defunding the police.
@@Dave-bu6bc Oh dear... The usual 'total in denial' of the nutty gun lobby. I'm pretty sure an AR15 makes a nasty mess of a young child with soft tissue... Your argument that weapons at time of the constitution being formed were anything like a modern semi automatic or the ammunition used in them is a ridiculous falsehood, but then you already know that don't you ;) But nice try anyway... and go ahead, you keep pretending everything other than weapon type availability is responsible for the death tolls, as long as you believe it I guess that's ok right chump? But reality is that the clock is ticking down to the next slaughter, be it in the next few days, weeks or months - but there WILL be another one coming very soon as you well know, and when it happens the usual guns n' ammo loving crowd like you and the idiot Wayne who runs the NRA will try to gaslight everyone who wants to do something to stop this slaughter with every excuse possible - avoiding the reality that until these military grade weapons are taken off the streets these slaughters are NEVER EVER going to stop..... Can you hear that noise in the background? It's the sound of the clock ticking down to the next batch of American kids killed in their own classrooms - tick tock, tick tock, tick tock.... You know its coming, I know it is and so does Wayne at the NRA. Yet you do NOTHING to prevent it. Shameful.
It was a German who put a man on the moon
@@paulanthony5274 No it wasn't. It was the American flag planted on the moon, carried in a rocket with USA written on the side of it😉🤦♂️. Wow, the loonies are really out today.
He means that rocket propulsion itself was innovated in Germany, and that the German engineers (like the ones working on nuclear weapons) were imported wholesale at the end of the war in Europe, to work in the American program.
I remember when gun ownership was seriously restricted here in Australia.I was a firearm owner, applied for a licence, was refused and had to sell my rifle.Obviously I was angry but over the course of time I have come to realise my loss was the communities gain.Today we take our safety for granted.
How did the community gain from you not having a legal firearm exactly?
@@brutaldeluxe6754 The large scale removal of firearms made society safer.We don't have mass shootings, our kids don't learn shooting drills, business don't employ armed guard, our cops aren't scared, American tourists always comment about how safe they feel here and registered gun owners feel secure knowing fruit cakes won't go on a killing spree and thus cause an outcry about guns in society.In a nutshell, Australians don't freak out when a car back fires.
@@petermcculloch4933 My point was that you were a lawful and law abiding gun owner and the community neither gained nor lost from you not having a rifle.. only you lost
@@brutaldeluxe6754 We all gained because we can all go about our business in complete safety.Judging by your comments, we are clearly socialised differently.Australians are, in general, community minded and from where I sit, Americans appear to believe in individual rights.You see this issue in regard to you losing something and I view it as a positive for everyone.
@@brutaldeluxe6754 This may blow your mind, but some people are considerate of other people and of society as a whole. Your comment stinks of “me me me”
My primary school was not far from Dunblane and I remember this day like it was yesterday. A tragedy beyond measure, and our national response was proportionate. It has saved untold lives. Lives that are taken almost daily in the name of constitutional freedom in the US.
I live in Scotland. My dad has owned a couple hunting guns (although he’s cancelled his licence and is planning to sell them on.)
Every year or two he gets a visit from the police to check that the guns are the ones on his license and that they are stored in a safe which is bolted into concrete (so it can’t be stolen) he also has to store the ammo in a separate place from the guns. He also needed to get dr notes to show that he is of sound mind to own a gun.
I really hope that American laws change soon. Even a fraction of the uk laws would make a huge difference.
I can truly see your passion and frustration. I'm from the UK myself. I and my partner used to always be confused and concerned when we used to hear about shootings in the US. Sadly as time as gone by, when we hear of a mass shooting in the US, and tell each other about it, our response now is " Its America What else is new". The people who fight to keep their weapons, are the people who really shouldn't have them. When I hear America talking about their constitutional rights, that was made up hundreds of years ago. They need to learn things change. As do laws, when they are out done by current situations, as of now.
Your anguish and concern for the future of your children is most moving. Especially as your emotions are visibly laid bare due to your de-hairing!
Here in England, probably 99% of citizens that haven't served have been anywhere near a lethal gun other than a sporting .22 or shotgun.
We do of course have gun crime here, but often the illegal weapons are often ill-maintained and the shooter untrained, so often as not it is an innocent bystander injured or killed due to the perpetrator's inexperience, as happened in two cases recently sadly.
I am a member of a number of Aviation forums, with the majority of fellow members being USA based and often ex-military. Biden, the government, the economy and other social issues are frequently subject of heated debate, but this incident and previous one that EB refers to are completely ignored, which is telling in it's silence.
If owning a gun wasn't in the Constitution then people wouldn't think it's their right to own one, ...Owning a gun is only an American right, not a Human right.
Speak for yourself.
Even then it's was written as an amendment! I don't get how Americans think that the constitution can't be changed. The actual bit they are fighting over was an addition in the first place. At a time when hand guns as we know them now weren't a thing, let alone assault rifles! How dare the gun lobby, the people in charge drip feed the madness that is there today that more guns are the answer. Any child can figure it out. Take the guns away!!! If a child is hitting another with a hammer you'd take it off him not give the other kid a hammer and make it a fair fight. Wake up!
Your reply screams ignorance.
Advocating having guns is a nonsense.
All it takes is ONE mentally unstable person to own a firearm - as they've supposedly got the right to do in the US - and you've got another massacre on your hands, where Innocent lives are lost.
Are you seriously saying the rights of those who carry out these appealing shootings are worth more than those of the innocent lives that are lost on a far too regular basis?
meanwhile everywhere else in western world, its priviledge to own one.
I remember dunblane like yesterday and my heart broke for those kids killed, those who witnessed it and had to hide petrified for their lives not to mention the impact on parents, teachers, the family of the teacher lost and just the wider community. Thank god the uk government acted so quickly and it hasn’t happened again in a school. When I saw the kids in Texas and have read the news reports, I just cannot comprehend why no one wants the change and being in changes so it never happens again. God bless all the kids and adults affected, their families and I hope there legacy drives change.
My heart goes out to those affected in the recent shooting .
Hey Alan, a very emotional reaction and rightly so. I think at the very least, there should be a vetting process over there, definitely mental health checks, history of depression, criminal background etc, at least it would be a start instead of letting any Tom Dick or Harry who becomes old enough, to buy a gun. Whilst I'm commenting, I'll just add, as others have, that there is absolutely no need to own an AR15 or similar. Great new look by the way mate, takes years off you. Keep up the great content.
These are the things that annoy me when it comes to USA gun control :
1) The latest killer was labelled "deranged"..... Why is a deranged man, let alone anyone, allowed to easily access guns with out any prior doctor or psychiatric check...Why are people against this?
2) Some people in USA say mass shootings are rare, Yet there have been two in 10 days - Is that rare,?really? Isn't One mass shooting too many?
3) Why is the right to bear arms put above the right to life? Which it clearly is. Because mass shootings are not rare.
there's no legal definition of deranged. anyone can call anyone deranged. A left wing government could label anyone who votes for a right-leaning party as deranged and use that to disarm anyone who opposes them, swap those left/right definitions to suit your political preference.
Sorry, but there have been mass shootings in the USA EVERY SINGLE DAY since the beginning of the year. It's just that only those with multiple deaths get reported on. Because they have become so prevalent that they just don't make the news anymore. There have been a total of 212 mass shootings in the USA since 1.1.2022. Mass shooting definition: any use of firefights involving at least three person with more than five shots fired. Not necessarily involving deaths, or even injuries.
There has so far this year been 228 mass shootings and 11 mass murders in the US.
@@Dave-bu6bc Dude. Please.🤦♀️. There IS. It is called the Diagnostic and Statistic manual of Mental disorders. DSM-5... You know... THE guidline on any mental diagnoses. Used worldwide by psychologists and psychiatrists🤦♀️.
There's been more mass shooting s in the US than days so far this year,
Also sad statistic - firearms are now the main cause of death for children in the US
As a UK citizen I will never understand America I know you’re all on the right to carry arms but surely you can see that it doesn’t matter how many guns people have they’ll never stop this so something else needs to happen
So your answer is to dissarm eveyone else while even here in GB if someone wants to commit such an act, they can get hold of any weapon they want. Personally I know all it would take is a couple of phone calls and there is not a weapon that could not be got hold of from machine gun to grenades. Yes its extreem but realistic. Its about time people came out of their ivory towers, put away the rose tinted specks and realise that the gun itself is not the problem and stop demonising something that most people have been brainwashed into this hysteria that its the gun that is evil. Its irrational.
@@edwardwilliams4197 it doesn’t happen in the UK because the person on the street cannot get hold of a gun
@@davidrobinson8543 If you believe that then your a big a mug as your comment is irrelevant.
@@davidrobinson8543 Rubbish. The Brits don't have an outdated Wild West culture like the Americans. That's why I moved myself and my family here. Feels great to be safe and relax in my home without needing a gun in my nightstand or worry about my kids at school.
@@sillybilly1662 you said it it happened once and we changed it
I feel your pain mate. Thanks for speaking and putting this video out there
Very real video man. Much love from the UK.
Spot on!
I’m a parent in the UK, Dunblane happen when my oldest girl was just two years old. It hit everyone in the UK very hard.
The banning of the majority of firearms doesn’t stop violent crime; but it takes away easy access to tools (guns) that have the ability now to create devastation.
When the US constitution was devised guns were totally different.
Genuinely most of the rest of the world simply don’t understand the US’s fascination with firearms… from the UK it seems like the US holds the right to hold firearms above the right of life… it is madness.
Gun ownership breads gun ownership.
Whilst the majority of people are responsible, there’s always going to be a sizeable number who are not, for a myriad of reasons.
It’s far too easy for those in the US that have “issues” to simply turn to firearms :(
I also believe the rise in Social Media gives those with issue an instant audience for an outlet. Some even live stream what they are doing.
Time has come for all in the US to take a long hard look at the “gun culture”. The US is better than this… things simply can’t continue the way they are.
This is my own personal point of view.
banning doesn't take away access for criminals. By definition criminals don't obey the law. It's already illegal to shoot someone, if criminals obeyed laws they'd obey that law and there wouldn't be a problem. All that happens when you ban guns is that the value of black market guns increases slightly, causing smuggling to become more profitable, which then encourages smugglers to smuggle more until the price goes back down. At very best you cause a temporary shortage.
Ian Trott: 100%correct...
But most of the people responsible for mass shootings were not criminals until they became one. If you're against an outright gun ban, then the next best thing is too have stringent checks on people wanting them. This is now just a vicious cycle that is going to be repeated time after time because your laws say you can own a gun at 18 or lower with no checks or minimal checks but you can't buy a drink at 21. The land of the free where you are free to kill on sight multiple people if the mood takes you is not freedom, but rather creates a siege mentality where the first reaction is to buy more guns to protect from an assassin you can't yet see.
@@Dave-bu6bc Excuses, excuses, excuses... Here's a newsflash for you. Most school shooters weren't criminals until the day they decided to murder, so if it was harder to get a gun for them, the shooting is less likely to happen...
@@Dave-bu6bc You're forgetting that many school shooters were not criminals before. They got access to a firearm legally, and then shot up a school. So by heavily restricting guns, gun deaths will drop drastically. The nonsense that is the "right to bear arms" was created at a time when guns would take several minutes to reload after each shot. Nobody needs something like an AR-15.
Totally agree with this video. The UK mantra is 'one mass school shooting is one too many'
Which is why we find it so difficult to understand how America can have so many and nothing changes
You expressing your views so openly made me love and appreciate your channel even more. Keep it up, and don't be afraid to use your platform even if you get backlash.
Facts 👏🏾👏🏾
Well said, It did give me goosebumps that you knew it was a .22 just by the sound though.
As someone from the UK who has never, and my kid has never, had to worry about any kind of shooting anywhere, EVER, I wouldn’t even go to America on a holiday.
I don’t think even Disneyland will be safe.
You cannot imagine what the parents were feeling, waiting outside to see if their child was killed, I can remember when it happened, and even today it's still heartbreaking to think of what that monstrous fiend did.
I've always taken the view that as a Brit I am not qualified or entitled to pass judgement on US gun laws because there are significant cultural differences, but with each mass shooting it becomes harder to stand by and simply ignore what happens over there. Existing laws just don't work, but surely reforms can be brought in without repealing 2A altogether? Waiting times for the issue of permits might limit a lot of 'spur of the moment' acts of violence and background checks must be a mandatory first step - full criminal history for both recent and expunged convictions, mandatory letters of recommendation from physicians, tight limits on quantities and types of ammunition. Valid reasons required for the type and numbers of weapons being held and any variation to go through an approval process - why is an AR15 being bought? Hunting? Hunting what exactly? Would a lesser weapon be more appropriate? Home defence? Surely a single handgun would suffice with a limited magazine and number of rounds that can be held on that licence rather than having a complete arsenal? Mandatory training and evaluation - annually. Raise the age at which a weapon can be purchased. Surely at least some of these are plain common sense and could be brought in with modern, up to date amendments to the Constitution? How can a right, granted in 1791 have any real resonance in 2022? I fully respect and admire the American love of country, constitution and freedoms, but with so many guns out there surely each mass shooting adds to the case for better control without necessarily taking them away - at the very least
I remember Dunblane very clearly. I was in my last year of school and in the I.T classroom and the science teacher was so upset he punched the TV off it's stand. I remember the anger and incredible upset at the time (living on the south coast of England so a long way from where it occurred). I remember so many adults including my stochic father being very upset and angry and people were marching in the street demanding MP's change the law. The government realising it was the wishes of the people quickly changed the law and further restricted any ownership.
Finally an emerican seeing sense over guns.... Great video eclectic.... powerful video man thank you. Keep up the good work also the tennis player andy Murray was at this very school during this shooting
What Americans don't understand is that in countries like the UK, Australia and others one can own guns - but the whole thing is well regulated. Just as your second amendment states!
I’m with you brother it’s sickening.. I live in Scotland but my brother lives in Canton GA .. I have a 1 year old nephew and a 6 and 4 year old nieces and it’s horrible to watch this kind of thing happening an waiting to hear that they are safe 🏴🇺🇸
I’m an Australian living in the US. I have been here for just over 5 years now. I have met so many people who would rather die with their gun in their hand, than have it taken away from them. Coming from a country where I felt safe going to the grocery store, sending my kids to school, walking down the street. I can’t understand how people can just see what’s happening in their own country, in their own backyards, say how it’s so horrible, and then move on with their lives as if it never happened. What happened to the people of 9/11, who came together to help one another, support one another, and create change so that something so devastating never happened again? You have almost as many people dying per year from guns as you did in the 9/11 disaster and yet nothing changes. Coming from another country, it makes me sad to think that unless something drastic changes, none of these people I see daily, will ever understand what it feels like to feel truly safe and free. To never have to fear that anyone at anytime could have a gun and shoot and kill your or someone you know and love. And to anyone who thinks or says that they don’t fear it, they’re lying to themselves, looking through a lens that’s been blurred so they don’t see the clear picture. Only people who have lived without such gun violence or those who have personally lived through a tragic gun violence related event, can see clearly that this has got to stop. I just hope it’s not too late 🙁
Im in the UK and I used to be a member of a shooting club, .22 rifles we shot with. I used to own a gun. However, I moved house and was no longer associated with that gun club. Therefore I HAD to surrender my gun and my licence to the authorities. I was no longer a member of a club, therefore I had no reason to own a gun and I HAD to hand it in or sell it.
Much much later in life I wanted to take the hobby back up again, but in the interim I had gone through a divorce and suffered acute depression. I'm fine now, but that shows up on my medical records. Now I cannot get a licence because of my medical history. I think there is an appeals process you can go through but its way to much effort. So I attend the club and just shoot with the clubs rifes, they never leave the range (except to be repaired).
Some might think thats harsh, But in my eyes its fair, I'm suseptable to depression, I'm one of the many groups of people you do not want to have a gun for obvious reasons. And as a result of the UKs gun laws I cannot get a gun legally. I was a bit pissed off at the time, but reflecting back, its for the best.
I remember a lot of people I knew including family given over there guns when the amnesty came into effect. Uk, Scotland here.
I am from the UK. I like guns. I shoot clay pigeons at a club. I understand that there is no other time in which I should be in possession of a gun. My neighbours are comfortable in the knowledge that I only shoot at the club. I am happy knowing the same of my neighbors.
I feel your pain. When you guys agreed you had the right to bear arms, the only firearms were muskets. Single shot, It took 10 mins to reload.
To check someone has the mental capacity to own a gun, they should be asked " would you like to own a gun?" If there answer is Yes, then they should never been given a gun.
If you have woken up to the fact that it needs to change, I respect you sir.
Spread the word and it will change.
Peace.
We did have a mass shooting in Plymouth last summer. The police gave a confiscated shotgun back to an incel and he killed 5. They need to look far more into people's online persona when deadly weapons are involved. That was a real failure of our regulatory system. Nothing will ever be perfect but at least our laws make them extremely rare
The fact that the home owner said she didn't want guns in the house and they still returned it was also a huge cock up.
The scary thing, His reddit account was leaked and it was so very obvious what he was going to do. It was suspended while I was looking at it and clicked next page. You are definitly right. Especially in the day and age when many people live their lives more through the internet than out in the real world.
Looking at the social media is a very good move
@@jenniferbrewer5204 here in the UK social media is surveilled, however, it is like trying to manage to control a virus, GCHQ do manage to snare bad people...a bit of a Pandora's box..keep safe and well.
I am a Norwegian. And I can honestly say that I am horrified by all the gun violence the US experience. And it seems to be worse every year....
What many in your country don't seems to realize is that most countries in the world. Including "evil socialist countries" like mine, allows ownership of *Certain* guns. Hunting rifles and shotguns are owned by most. But it is viewed as a tool. Used for hunting. And when not used, it is locked in a safe the rest of the year. Whereas in the US. Guns seems to be treated as toys to play with by many.....
I am from Scotland and i am a firearms holder and would say that even though our gun rules are strict i think it is the right thing. i have to have medical checks and police interview and visit to my home to ensure i can secure my weapons. would not change this at all. there are strict rules which you have to comply with or you can lose them and your right to have them.
I'm British and I don't recall the Dunblane incident, but I do remember Michael Ryan shooting up Hungerford in 1987 and killing 16 people. No one seems to be mentioning that one. That incident caused our gun ownership laws to be changed pretty dead quick.
I remember being in school in England when this happened in Scotland and how relatable it was. I'm very proud of how the UK responded and willingly gave up their guns
But the UK government basically did nothing but make the revolver used a bit longer? You can still own it, just it has to be a bit longer. It's so weird concealability wasn't an issue at Dunblane. People don't understand the law so the government just said oh we banned hand guns so this won't happen again, if the gun used is longer it's a rifle so all ok. It's nuts. The law wasn't even introduced in NI. So they can still get hand guns and there isn't even a border. It's a really weird law. Google UK long barrelled pistols.
@@davedavids57 you think it’s as easy to carry around four long barrel handguns that also have a mandatory stock on them? The shooter carried four easy because of their size, try carrying four now and see how quickly you’re stopped; it’s evident it’s worked because when was the last major shooting?
@@davedavids57 They banned the ownership of all guns except for hunting. What they did worked out amazingly
@@TequilaToothpick It's really scary how people are so ignorant of even basic stuff: th-cam.com/video/aSwEGcngHF4/w-d-xo.html
I feel your pain, surely something has to change. I watch quite a few TH-camrs that shoot guns for fun, I will never get my head around the gun laws. An 18 year old can buy a gun, but can't get a beer until he's 21??
My hearts go out to those poor children, the teachers and all of their families. I can’t offer any solutions, but something does need to happen to prevent this evil, vile action happening again
Solution: Gun Control! It works in other Western countries!
There's a number of issues with the gun problem in the US.
A lot of the shooters seem to be mentally ill young people. Mental health crisis needs addressing. These shooters aren't necessarily gun owners, just able to get access to them.
The major issue (in an outsider's opinion) is the influence of gun lobbyists. Politicians don't have the motivation to do their job, serving the public.
It is sad, but many politicians (on any side) are able to put a price on human life. Especially if that money ends up in their pocket.
I feel so sorry for the victims and their parents. It's devastating.
I can't imagine the difficult decisions you parents need to make over there, regarding schooling your kids.
Every country has mental health problems, it the unique ability of those individuals to have such a impact on the wider society in America and am sorry to say it’s the easy accessibility to get such unbelievable weapons, it’s shocking, as a Scottish person I find it incredible that most Americans wouldn’t want to throw their guns away in disgust after seeing that….
There are no more mentally ill people in the US than there are in any other country. The major difference is the US allows citizens to carry lethal weapons. Its illegal in virtually every other country on the planet. Its nothing to do with people being mentally ill, its everything to do with allowing easy access to deadly weapons. The US constitution was written in the days of muskets, its irrelevant today. I'm tired of hearing these right-wing nonsense excuses. Enough.
@@ryanferguson1976 This is exactly what I have been saying. There are always going to be people with mental health issues in every country across the world, the unique difference with America is that it gives them weapons.
the american political system is nearly completely corrupt and utterly unfit for purpose. america sold out to the rich years ago!
@@Roboto82 exactly but again it’s blaming the individual which America loves to do instead of blaming the mechanism that allows a person with no questions asked walk out a shop with assault weapons, in fact any weapons…. If u or I walked into a shop and said eh can I have two assault weapons n loads of amo, u’d think someone would ask… u ok mate
i am from the UK and the last shooting we had that had 6 people killed including the gun man was last year in my hometown where i live in plymouth which was a 5 minuite drive away from where i live and that is terrifying, especially when the gun man had metal issues and was unstable who even had his own youtube channel talking rubbish, people who has mental health issues should get help and not be ignored everywhere around the world
In the UK you also sacrifice some privacy rights if you want to keep firearms. The police are allowed to knock on your door with no warning and ask to inspect your guns. They have this right to inspect so they can secure the area in the event there have been reports of a disturbance. To be clear, you do not have to involved in the disturbance, it could just be in your local area and need not have actually involved any kind of firearm. They can still come and make sure it's nothing to do with you anyway with a visual check and chat as a matter of procedure.