pilgrim’s transformation // dealing with behavioral issues
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ส.ค. 2024
- it's pretty cool to finally be able to talk about all the work that i put into this horse - up until now people have only seen the finished product and not what i started with. i'm really proud of how far pilgrim came in only a few months.
he truly did turn out to be the sweetest boy ever with a heart of gold. he just needed someone to be patient with him and not write him off as being a certain way.
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So about your "Confident horse, not fearful horse" thing. My instructor and I have a saying that goes back a long time. "If you train a horse with fear, there will always be somthing it fears more. If you train a horse with trust, even when they are scared they will trust you." Something like that.
He's got a great canter.
Amber Blyledge that’s a good saying
Same with mine lol
Top half so deep then he’s got a great canter
Amber Blyledge yas
not to be rude but she is training the horse and is a professional horse trainer so I don't think she's training him wit fear...
Ok listen. There are a lot of very rude comments here in the comment section. It is HER horse not yours. She decides what she wants to do with her horse and not YOU. I bet that most of the people in here either own, lease, or ride horses and for those of you who own horses, I want to see YOU post a video about your horse and I’m pretty sure that there are plenty of people including me that can point out some flaws. I’m pretty sure that she doesn’t care about your comments to “go get him checked by a vet” or “there is definitely something wrong with his back legs”. Because if you listened before you spoke, she did indeed say that she got him checked by a vet and that he is all well. Her vet has more say in this than anybody else since he/she is a professional. This horse looks pretty happy to me. Also it is a transformation video meaning that yeah he may have been a bit stiff in the beginning but he got better. I’m sorry to those of you who genuinely are concerned but it is none of your business. I’m not commenting to criticize anyone or point out people and call them haters but it bothers me that some people think they have the right to tell somebody what they should do with THEIR horse. Good luck to you two and I can definitely tell that his training is going well 😊
I think it's a conformational issue.he has sickle hocks,which makes his movement look a little strange.however if he was in pain,he would not want to canter.xx
THANK YOU MY GOD
Htsken Thomas what did she/he just said! Mind your own business!!
@@hellosleepykits5954 I was commenting on what I saw.it was not a comment on her training.i have spent a lifetime training riding and looking after horses,nearly 50 years.i said the horses was not in pain in my opinion,if it was,it would not canter or jump for her.i was offering an explanation based on fifty years experience.thats what I dislike about social media,people make comments about things they do not have any/enough experience of.she is doing a great job retraining her horse.
Htsken Thomas they said at the end ‘ I’m not trying to point anyone out or call them haters’
This makes me so happy to watch. Horses learn with patience, understanding, consistancy and repetition. The horse world needs more people like you!! ❤
It's amazing how far he has come!
He did look so stiff in his body at the beginning, by the end he looked relaxed and way more fluid. You helped him so much, it was a pleasure to watch. I hope he has a good life now.
14:04 when you forget how legs work hahaha awe he’s so cute
Just wanted to say that you do such a nice job, esp. With your ottb's. You have the right mindset and patience and I love that you're always using pats and positive reinforcement with them.
He’s got a beautiful canter! Looks like it would feel like being on a rocking horse! So nice and slow.
is it just me or is there something wrong with his back legs
claire i think it’s just the way he’s built
@@StephaniePrince ok :) they just seem a but funky
Very stiff and sore looking at the back end 😰
Stephanie Prince I think you should take him to get looked at because the look of his behaviour there is something wrong
yeah I noticed it too...
I love how people are trying to give her advice when she literally knows what she's doing. Like sure it might be doing it with a good intent but how can you see from a single video?
My parents bought me a little arab(In my profile picture), though I completely qualify him as a rescue as he is 5-6 years old and was almost starved to death. Had they not bought him he would have gone to slaughter and we weren't having that! Though he is still recovering in his weight, his ground manners have been a HUGE issue, and while he's always been pretty fantastic in lunging(aside from cantering as his feet were too severely overgrown and he's just starting to find his balance in a trot) everything else was awful. I still have some issues in picking up his feet but it has much improved from the countless times he would kick or attempt to bite me, and I can still remember the looks I got at band camp for the ugly bruises littering my legs. He is alright to lead but turns into a kite every time he decides something is too scary, although as he has decided he really likes me over time he usually just tries to "protect" me from his mortal enemies: palm trees! XD He is also considered ridable but due to his current condition, even though he is very close to healthy weight, I only sit(for no more than 10 minutes) and occasionally ask for a few steps, we also know he is unresponsive to leg completely. I can only hope he'll turn out as fantastic as pilgrim is now! :D
How is your Arab now ??
how is he now?
@@aviva639 He's doing fantastic! Frost(very original ik lol) is now completely ridable and has a very fun personality! Picking up his feet is an issue of the past as now I can barely graze a hand down his leg and he pops it up without any fuss. Still a bit of a kite when he's afraid but leans more into trusting me than running away. It took me a little over a year to get him to have more "go" undersaddle but now he barely needs a tap to get him going, if that as he is somewhat voice trained. Weight wise he's holding a lovely healthy size and it seems impossible to make him overweight. He does have a bit of a tude though lmao! If I love on other horses in front of him he'll kinda send me a middle hoof until I offer cookies as reparations XD and he will attempt to block other horses from approaching me in general, overall he's a lovable a**hole and I'm so glad to have him! ^^
this transformation is unbelievable! you have done such an amazing job! this horse has come so far and looks so gorgeous!
I think he has a problem in his hind legs and thats one of the causes for his behavior. Also race horses often have stomach problems due to their stress and minimized hay feeding and thats probably bc he's so sensitive to your leg. Just consider getting it checked by a vet :)
Did you even listen? She sayed there was noting wrong with his backlegs
@@Valentinevhw I listened but I don't agree and that's okay. There's so many issues that could exist that she couldn't get it all checked. said*
Valentine V its said not sayed 😂👍🏻
if something was wrong with his back feet or he was stressed or anything else I think she would know or say so if she wants anyone to know.🙂
The leg problem could be avulsion fractures that are healing. It's a common injury in racehorses. My SWB has them and isn't in any pain anymore as long as she is in steady work. (she used to be but with a vet's help she is better) Horses with this injury can look stiff or even lame and there is surgery to fix them if needed. (not a vet, just sharing my opinion and experience)
Lol 9:49 the cat runs across the arena😂😂
this video made me cry glad you gave him a chance and taking time too work with him...best video i have seen in a long time.
He turned into such a good man, I could definately see him doing hunters even just at the low level, he's got such a nice relaxed approach to fences!
Hi girl, I know it’s been ages now, but just for future notice when you get an ex racer; hop on it without the spurs for the first few times, they will have never felt them before. Along with the chance of them having stomach ulcers it’s probably very irritating.
Whatever we often call a good ride within the racehorse community is not always a good ride for common riding. Anyway I think you’ve done a great job, I was just giving some advise if you have this problem in the future!
This doesnt work for every racer. The girl knows what she is doing. There are many racers who need the extra aid. My racer who was jumping in grand prix needed spurs and a long whip for years. Ive had her for 11 years now and this year was the first time she was listening without a whip. My dressage mare is the same way where she needed it. My 3 year old doesnt need them. This shows every horse is different.
jessie .jumping I don’t doubt the girls ability. However, I don’t believe spurs should be needed to simply ride a horse forwards. They’re there to define the signals you’re giving your horse. Each to their own.
@@jane1smits everyone has there own ways. Like i am severely weak in my legs and ankles and i have to have spurs just to get my horses to listen and do what i tell them. Everyone is different and every horse is different. I have 2 horses who go completely off my voice bc i use german comands for them and i have horses who need to pressure
I believe one of the reasons on why she hopped on him with spurs on was because the previous owner said he was great under saddle 🙂
Great work loved seeing you get him round and on the bit. Kudos!
I am so proud of how much you and pilgrim have grown, so exited to see what’s next!!!!😃😃😄
I can't help but notice the fact as soon as you got him you didn't get a vet to check him over? Not sure if its different in the UK but usually when we get horses we have them vetted before even considering riding them..
Sophie Hughes Its not her horse
Sometimes if a horse is over a certain amount people will pay the extra for a vet check, but if the horse costs next to nothing then most likely they wont pay for a vet check. None of my 2 got vet checked because both were unbroken, had nothing done with them and in my eyes wasn’t worth the money
EquiiCaity that’s kinda fucked up lmao in my opinion every animal is deserving of a vet check
Spicy. So true
I’m a last year vet student and like.... always get them checked out. There are no excuses.
His back legs are so stiff. They look sore
It could be avulsion fractures that are healing. It's a common injury in racehorses, and isn't always painful. My SWB has them and isn't in any pain anymore as long as she is in steady work. Horses with this injury can look stiff or even lame and there is a surgery to fix them if needed. I'm not a vet but that's what it looks like to me. :)
Yeah but it was in the past
He is an off the track thouroghbred he raced he is gonna be stiff
@@mnmequestrian9028 nope. Most ottbs aren't. She said that everything is ok with him and he doesn't seem to be in pain, so there's nothing to worry about ;)
Jessica brown don't worry about it
What a great job you did with this guy - he definately had his share of issues - patience, firmness and kindness won the day and you are a very smart and talented trainer - Well done!!!
You passed up the chance to call this Pilgrim's Progress?!? 😂😂
This is his progress and he has come a long way so do not ever comment anything if you don’t have anything nice to say😤
@@joyloos7957 she was making a joke? Why are you so angry?
@@ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh4110 no, I don’t think she really was. I am not angry, I was pissed people gotta be like that and he is making progress but she was commenting saying he wasn’t so that’s why.
his progress is amazing u dont need to be so rude
@@joyloos7957 pilgrims progress is the name of a movie, hence why they said Pilgrims progress
I LOVE your transformation videos. I would really love to see a series on OTTB training from you. I agree with everything you say and I really like how you explain things like when you used your crop during the indoor jump schooling. You seem to really have an understanding of how horses view their training and you convey it so well through your explanations!
Pilgrim is so spunky! He has his own little attitude. 😃
At least when u got him I could ride him outside. When I got my ottb when we rode outside he took off in the arena and I fell off and slammed my hip into a wooden fence post.
I loved the video Stephanie definitely gained a few tips that I can use myself with my horse :-)
I'm annoyed that so many people just watched half the video or didn't pay attention at all
The horse isn't hers it isn't in her rights to get him Vet checked
All she can do is tell the owner and she addressed this she felt for pain and he didn't show any signs of pain so what evidence does she have to tell the owner none so in her position it would be wrong and inappropriate just like many of your opinions
I love your channel sm! Wish I could go to your barn it seems like such a nice environment 😁
You should do a video on tips and tricks to get your different horses on the bit and how to have them start to accept a frame!
i am looking for a new barn, so i think you are the best trainer
You do such an amazing job with all your horses! Such a quiet soft rider 😍
You've done a super job with him, well done! It's clear you've developed a bond and he trusts you. It's very difficult to deal with nappy horses but you worked through it and look at him now :-) He doesn't rush his fences, he's reaching into the contact, he's a happy boy
Wow amazing transition! You should be proud of yourself!
I love love love how Stephine never brought out a whip ❤️❤️❤️
This is truly inspiring! I love watching you work with this animal that came from nothing to something!
Love this! I’m sitting in the car watching it at my horses and using it as inspiration to go get my two young ones in 😂
I love Pilgrim so much wish I could buy him😊😊😊
I’m currently trying to re-train this ottb. He hasn’t been ridden in more than a year and he knows nothing. You can’t even get him to go over a ground pole without him jumping it. I was seriously starting to think he wasn’t going to work out but he has come so far! This gave me lots of extra faith in him 😊
I’m getting an ottb tomorrow. He hasn’t been ridden in years, so he’s going to be my first real project horse
I really love how patient you were with him. It shows in his transformation.
I have one thing to say.. HIS TROT IS ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL!!!!
What a gorgeous horse ❤️🧡💛💚💙💜
Ik this isn’t a tutorial at all. But the things you said like being patient with your horse really helped me. My horse was super impatient so this really helped me.🥰🥰
Siri Sparrowburg hey sso sister!!
Who’s this?
@MackAnd JJ
Wow, you are honestly such a good trainer. He has come so far!
Its werid cause I actually like you, this is my first video but I went and watched more and I like your personality and how you go about things. Pilgrims transformation is amazing and I'm inspired to keep persisting with my horsies behavioural issues.
oh boy, my OTTB project is exactly how Pilgrim was in the beginning. The not walking, kicking out, etc. Except it's only gotten worse and we've tried everything! (Yes: vets, dentists, chiros, hell even an animal communicator!)
UPDATE 2 Months after this comment! Not long after I posted this I got the vet out again to decide on his fate. He was getting so dangerous that we were considering behavioral euthanasia because his quality of life was declining (He wasn't able to get farrier work done and could only handle the vet for a minute at a time) but the vet suggested giving him Midazolam (yes, a tranqualizer) so that he could calm down enough to be handled and build his trust with humans again. A month later (after the meds wore off) he wasn't kicking out anymore but was still super sensitive. Two weeks ago I put him on magnesium and HOLY COW it made SUCH a difference! I can *groom* him! He falls asleep being brushed now instead of squirming and being upset!
I have yet to get back on him but his back sensitivity has disappeared! I'll update once I get back on him, probably sunday (although there's a snow storm moving in and I don't have an indoor).
He’s green as grass, I believe! Good job!
Hey!
When I saw this video, it looked just like one of my horses. He had multiple visits to the vet before they said it was behavioural issues. They finished on that he wasn't a riding horse. I didn't listen, and continued to ride him. I can get him to a trot, and have found he LOVES jumping. I can't ride him more then 20 minutes though, because then he simply stops, paws the ground and stands still. Because he has thrown me many times and I have seem how strong he is and how powerful is can be, I don't dare. Im not even kidding when I say this horse WILL really hurt me, but I wouldn't even dream of selling my boy. He needs help really bad, and I know if we sold him he would end up in a slaughter house. He is such a smart and loving boy, I really need your help!
You did amazing with him! He looks soo good now and very happy your such a great rider
You did fantastic training pilgrim! You did a lot in a short time...
What a beautiful horse!!
I the stiffness in his leg was hurting you would notice. That fact that we kept going and improved is great! I like you reward training method
Love how patient you are with him! His back legs look SO LONG compared to the rest of his body XD But he's beautiful!
This is just a suggestion but maybe don’t use spurs on the 2nd ride as if he hates you using leg then spurs could put him of more, not criticising but spurs you only be used when really needed as there not just like a whip or a kick there a lots more :)
Awesome transformation of this horse!
Amazing u have come so far, you have so much patience with him and your very gentle, and that something that not a lot of people have.Love you! 💞
Absolutely fantastic!!! You did such an incredible job!!!
nice job being patient and consistent with his behavior issues. Physical issues aside, he had a real bad attitude about just listening and responding. We use the chestnut to pick up feet, usually gives you less resistance and they get very soft and we let them move around (no tying) until they chose to stand quietly for feet, also helps them build more confidence in you.
Wow! His progress is amazing!
Can I send you my horses 😂😂
I would like to do the same 😂😂😂
k.c eventing 😂😂😂
ok ok ok.. one word.. STIFF! the horse may be responding to your leg however noticing the way he moves he isn't sound, (not lame, but not sound) his back is uneven and his legs aren't being carried properly. huge issue with ex racehorses and I really do not agree with you jumping him! pastons and his hocks will be severely damaged from racing, even if he was only racing for a week, all I can see throughout the video is stiffness, however with time and lots of supple training, supplements and light exercise and a fit diet, therapy (especially on the back, hindquarters and neck) also while watching his movements I can see spots of lameness in his neck. I myself have an ex racehorse and I am able to comment this. however I'm only seeing a short video and i'm not there in real life so i'm just going off what I can see. i love this transformation it's incredible. really gives ex racehorses a little more chance. still not a fan at all of the jumping xxx
I say this much, he is t as spooky as most OTTB’s I’ve seen, ridden, and or heard of 😂 the water I understand, it’s different for some horses who are a bit smarter and are like “but it’s easier to just go around “ but how he wasn’t looking at the jumps or anything funny was great!
*im by myself at the barn and sitting on this horse”
Me- so is a horse filming you or?
No hate I absolutely love this channel
She was talking about the first time she got on him. The clip that was playing while she was talking about it was probably another time afterwards- which is why we don't see him bucking
My lesson horse tries to murder me when I try to pick up her feet
Mia Treadwell same.
Same
Wow he’s come so far! Congrats amazing work 💗
This is the cutest horse ever!!
Absolutely love you and your videos!!!
Great job! He looks amazing!
Loving this he has come so far ;)
Your jump standards outside are niceeeeeee
I really liked this video! I’m thinking of getting an off the track tb so this really showed me some of the difficulties I may have to face while training
I think she did great with him, but I wish he was given just a simple check-up by the vet. not because she is a bad rider or she can't tell if he is hurt, but because I have had MANY horses with issues that you could not exactly tell by just riding them. I also knew a horse with issues from training, for example, he would chew on his tongue because of nerve loss (the bit used was too much and hurt him) he also responded v e r y badly if you gave him any cues from the bit, our barn rides dressage. we did not know this until the vet checked him out. you don't have to just before any horse is trained I feel like they should be looked over by a vet just to make sure everything is ok. sorry if this was rude, just my grain of salt, KEEP IT UP, YOU'RE DOING GREAT!
You can see the difference in trust in both of you x
That cat tho it just kept coming in the frame 😂
Racehorse retraining is a skill indeed! Physical exam must be first for rider safety. Ulcers, back, muscle strain can become a hazard.
It is better for calmness to consider placing your horses hoof gently to the earth rather than letting it drop to the ground. In trusting a new person with hoof treatments the horse looked to me to be going through yhe process of trusting you.
Lower leg aid?? Does racing have lower legs!!☺
In hand work, not necessarily lungeing, is a great way to connect the leg while on the ground with the aid used while mounted and then trying it there. However tbs are so smart he connected with your intention. Arent horses amazing like that. Well done on your work but please consider how a racehorse has to rebalance. Slow and steady keeps you both safe. A first ride with a person around is a safer option as i dont feel the previous owner was up front. Take care.
OMG HIS CANTER IS GORGEOUS AS WELL
Not hate, but if he wasn’t good with the leg, why do you ride with spurs? It just makes it worse
yes, it definitely made it worse. that's why he got better. he was ignoring my leg and resisting the pressure. he had to go forward and i wasn't going to sit there and kick him to death.
@@StephaniePrince don't you think he had a back problem or a leg problem? A horse that's ignoring you shouldn't kick when pressure is put on. And btw, his back legs looked very stiff so maybe its a leg problem. (sorry for bad grammar and i dont really know if hes ok now so dont hate if hes fine rn)
Pirate & Helen it’s her horse, not yours. You’ve never been around him, by now he’s probably been checked by a vet.
You also have to understand the previous owner said he was great under saddle
1:08 *horse:* DRESSAGE TIMEEE
Stephanie shouldn't have to apologize for the way she trains her horses. Her methods are very effective and if you don't like it don't watch the video!
Also my trainer trains OTTBS and she always teaches them cues on the ground so that might help in the future
Omg Pilgrim is beautiful
My horse is the exact same he hated me putting pressure on him he would stop and kick out and buck, we did the same as u and thought that there was something wrong with him, so we got teeth people out, hoof people ect to see if this horse was hurting but nothing they all said that he was just being an lil butt to us, however we got people out that deal with behaviour and now I ride him bare back because he now doesn’t spook nor dose he buck at me anymore he is the sweetest boy but he was just to spoiled by old owners.
U can tell he’s in a lot of pain
Nope he’s not .
everyone's commenting that he must be in pain at the beginning (he might be?)..but to me he just looks ring sour. I had a horse that got ring sour over time and this is exactly how he acted. It wasn't pain related because the second you took him out of the arena and on the trail he was more than a happy to go. It is something that can be worked through with patience and time, which is exactly what you did :)
pilgrim is a *great* name for a horse, i *love* it (not sarcasm)
i think the reason he wouldn’t pick up his right foot in that video is because on the track, they often just stay on the left side and pick the right hooves from the left side as well
you did an amazing job with him!
You did great work with Pilgrim, you have the patience of an angel. Both Pilgrim and his owner must have learned a great deal from your hard work. Thank you for putting it on youtube . I've learned a lot too!
I love what you do! I'd never be able to let them go. Do you have any tips for a younger rider who's trying to build more confidence? It's just in a year or two I'll have been riding for a decade and I still don't have much confidence. I can jump about 40-50cm and anything higher I freak out
Almost same for me, I only recently started riding "real" horses(not islandic or other ponies),after 9years of riding. I gained confidence when one of the ponies that was usually calm spooked and I stayed in control. Then I thought if I can do it with this horse i'll be able to do it with other😉
So I guess take risks but not too much
You have come so far with him!! I'm currently training my first horse and she is an OTTB. What are some of your favorite flat work and jumping exercises?
i’m training a horse for the first time. (to jump) I’m kinda in this hole of sticking to things he is good about so i don’t have to fight with him or so i don’t get hurt. i need to just break out of the routine but it’s hard to make myself do something that i know he’s going to misbehave with.
Wow what a difference!! Amazing job with him
This is an honest question (not criticism towards your training methods, I actually admire it), but why didn’t you go use a crop with his consistent stopping/ kicking out and not going forward (at the beginning)? Would it have caused more problems? Obviously a crop isn’t needed in every situation but I am learning so I would love to know :)
Kayleigh Eustace i wanted to be patient with him at first and see if it got any better because i didn’t know why he was acting that way. him being in pain was not ruled out at that point and i definitely did not want to punish him if he was just trying to tell me he hurt. as i got to know him and realized he just had a bad attitude that’s when i started riding with a crop although by then it was mainly used because he fell off my leg and not because he was being naughty. in the beginning i also had no idea what this horse would do if i got after him because all that i had to go off was “he’ll be good when i ride him.” i didn’t know if he’d rear and i definitely didn’t want to get flipped over on a horse that wasn’t mine lol
Stephanie Prince that makes so much sense, thank you!
Literally live for when you upload! Great job with Pilgrim. :) I wish you could come help me with my OTTB!
Just really interested, if he's just come of the race track and when you filmed you said that it was the 2nd time sat on I'm, why did you choose to wear spurs as spurs are not allowed on racetracks??? Xxx
Wow what a lovely little guy. So brave and chilled once he understood what he needed to do. Well ridden! Did you ever have him scoped for ulcers? I know it’s a common problem in thoroughbreds sadly
Are you sure he was restarted before you got on him that first time 😂😂 anyway you did a wonderful job with him!
Is this your own personal barn or do you board? I’ve been watching your channel for a while and have never been able to figure it out aha😂 it’s a beautiful facility either way!
ShaeThatEquine i own it ☺️
Stephanie Prince it’s so beautiful! 💞💞
why do you ride a 3-year-old horse with spurs if it doesn't even respond to your own leg
well thats what spurs are made for
@@nezarotovnik2831 no they are for the fine work not for getting a horse forward a horse needs to be forward on your own leg when he is 3 years old en when he is older and you go to competitions you can youse them
@@kellyriddering4455 yea but if he doesn't react to your leg you use spurs and it's nothing wrong with using spurs even if he's 3 it doesn't hurt him it's just stronger and easier. he didn't even move so ofcourse she used spurs well she could try without them but she said it wasn't the first time she rode him so maybe she already rode him without spurs
Kelly Riddering spurs aren’t bad unless they’re abused :) if you use spurs as a punishment or kick them into them super hard simply because they didn’t listen then.. that’s bad. Just like crops. There’s the good and the bad and she isn’t seeming to be causing him any pain but just letting him get used to the feel of pressure
You did such a great job! Congrats❤️