Ups & Downs From Star Trek: Picard 3.4 - No Win Scenario
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 มี.ค. 2023
- If you didn't love Shaw then, you don't deserve him now. Todd Stashwick with a standout Trek performance. It's up there. When you adjust the brightness of the episode. Here's Sean with the Ups & Downs!
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Frakes directed the _hell_ out of this episode. Absolutely fantastic.
Frakes has been at his absolute best with this role! Hands down!
@@AdamBrown1980 He had to be his best. His director is a tough cookie to please. 😆
@@billkeithchannel Reminds me of Kirk in that Futurama ep
"And when I directed "Star Trek V", I got a magnificent performance out of me because I respected me so much." - Bill Shatner, Futurama
@@tetravega567 Brilliant! And I am actually a fan of ST:V. It was the first ST movie I saw in the theater (because he was directing) and went to every one after that.
Like that brief Horner "Wrath of Khan" musictribute during the escape sequence.. Brilliant
Shaw's reliving of his trauma during Wolf 359 was *THE BEST SCENE* in Star Trek for the last twenty years...I have rewound and rewatched it over five times by now, and it _still_ hits me like a gut punch every time.
"....Locutus of Borg! The only Borg _so deadly they gave him his own gdamn _*_NAME!!_* " ...f*cking chills...
One really has to give kudos to Todd Stashwick for how well he plays Shaw. He's there along-side legendary characters, playing a character who is purposefully unlikeable, and yet he is holding his own, really delivering great scenes, and even inspiring fan memes celebrating him. Admiral Jellico would be proud.
I can't wait for him to turn the corner of his anger/grief/survivor's guilt and turn into a total bad-ass.
One of the best moments that I liked, at the end. Picard slowly realising that Jack is the one he spoke to 5 years ago, when he said "Starfleet is the only family I need". The realisation that that moment is when Jack decided he didn't want to know his dad. And it's such a heart wrenching moment because WE know Picard is probably just saying that due to being surrounded by the younger officers. Jack doesn't.
I think it was also a defensive comment by Picard, a person that has let chances at a family go by and has baggage that compelled him to do that, might very well publicly claim they are perfectly satisfied with a career only life.
@@rubaiyat300 Yeah exactly, he would never admit to anything in public.
Amazing what they are communicating, as actors, with no words. Great acting, writing and directing and editing.
@@alicemonsell1352 agreed!
@rubaiyat300 I absolutely 100% took it as a defensive comment - practically self-deception
the moment when picard realized he effectively told jack 5 years ago he would only ever need starfleet as his family was fantastic. one of the best episodes of st ive ever seen and ive seen.
Devastating moment for Jack back then…
For real! Where was that in this list?!? I was really expecting something about that. I'm pretty sure he said he'd get back to it. But clearly forgot
Picard saying Starfleet was the only family he needed harks back to "The Inner Light" when he says he always thought he never needed children to complete his life. As I typed this I realised that perhaps Picard took Starfleet as a replacement for the family he lost when his mother died.
Yeah that was a next level moment, this episode was a real classic. That moment gave me that "Oh damn" moment ya get with certain great revelations that makes ya feel for the character outta nowhere.
Were a couple of those in this episode.
as good as the silent dialogue he had with dr. Crusher when he realizes Jack is his son
I loved when Beverly Crusher said “ Will did you just throw an asteroid?” And Riker Responded “ Goddamn right I did.” Like it was revenge for the ship that was thrown at them in the first place.
It felt like that "dragging mines" moment in _Galaxy Quest_ (such a Trek love letter) and I LOVED it.
Totally a "Riker Got His Mojo Back" moment.
Riker was like "You're not the only one that can throw shit with a tractor beam bitch!!" Lol!
@@sandrafaithAlso perhaps a callback to the scene from Discovery, which might be referencing that, but you know that means Riker was doing calculations, checking the scans from the way in, and visually seeking one to throw before the ship even got moving.
@@sandrafaith Also a bit of a nod to another Crusher kid using tractor beams to interesting effects...
You missed a couple observations.. Vedic’s chair spins just like Chang’s did in Star Trek 6 and has the same sound. That’s a cool nod since Amanda Plummer’s father played Chang.
Ah damn fine catch I didn’t see. Wow the parallels there for Plummer senior & daughter.
I caught that too. Then here turning around in the chair, man that cool. I was waiting for, "CRY HAVOC, AND LET SLIP THE DOGS OF WAR!!"
Todd Stashwick definitely earned that latinum Up. Absolutely incredible performance.
Gold-pressed latinum!
@@alicemonsell1352 Heck, the performances in that scene were top notch all around. From Picard's quiet trauma contrasting Shaw's more aggressive PTSD triggering, to Jack reacting with sympathy to Picard's trauma - all done with subtle body language and subtle facial expressions, and enhanced with just a touch of the sound effects and spoken lines from The Best of Both Worlds... This was a master class in acting, no two ways about it, and you can absolutely see the bond between Jack and Picard being forged in that one scene.
@@MagiusDel yep, forged, and yet there's still a sense of a splinter stuck in the join - which we later find out was what Picard said about family in the 5 years before flashback.
@@MagiusDelI completely agree, as a retired Marine who struggles with his own PTSD and survivors guilt I totally related to this perfect performance in this scene.
It didn't work that well for me. It gave me "unfit for service" vibes.
One thing you missed about that last scene with Jack washing his face at the end of the episode is that the shot is a massive nod to the false wake up moment in First Contact. The basin, the framing, the pan up, the mirror, the presence of disturbing visions - not to mention the director - are all a lock.
Yep. I half expected a Borg node to pop out from under his eye!
But that's also one thing that Starfleet also implied in FC: That Picard would be unreliable in battle (either as a sleeper agent or too affected with PTSD or becoming an inadvertent liability is anyone's guess) but in either case, that's really why the E-E was sent to the Neutral Zone.
100%
Thank you. Good point.
Yes great point !
Borg? Nah that was Vecna breaking through from the upside down
I think that in context the f-bomb actually makes quite a lot of sense. We’ve already seen that Jack isn’t exactly afraid of being a bit more cavalier in general, and Picard is trying to connect - he’s out away the more refined part that he shows basically everyone, even his closest friends, in order to show Jack - “look I’m comfortable enough to be this blunt and rough in front of you, you can be comfortable with me”.
I would also have mentioned two other things -- there is a lot of Frakes absolutely acting his face off in this describing what is very obviously some deep depression that he didn't know how to handle -- Deanna would have, but I would imagine being married to someone and sharing a psychic connection with them makes therapy nearly impossible. also -- the moment with Shaw and Seven where he starts talking about how much he respects her and then says "that's what I would say if I were a changeling," and she finishes "and not just a dick" with a big smirk on her face. SOLID GOLD, lol.
Frakes' character got the baby blues.
Providing therapy to one's partner (willing or not) is a clear ethical violation unless professional ethics have gone soft by then. It's coercive on far too many levels.
@@WilliamHostman yep, absolutely.
One of the scenes I liked most with Jack and Picard was how Jack sort of got a bit protective of Picard like he had for Beverly. It was rather sweet.
I am totally confused... How can a series, which is almost 60 years old, and, one would think had no fresh stories in it, still be getting better and better? This was in-freaking-credible!!! Jonathan Frakes... Good job!!!
Why don't they do that sweep anymore?
@@kurtsnyder4752 if referring to the phaser sweep of the rooms, I strongly suspect that the lack of available power would make such infeasible to accomplish in this situation; Starfleet also seems to routinely lack institutional memory more than one conflict back...
I took the bucket thing to be because of Odo's influence in the Great Link through the years. Also, the whole Shaw Wolf 359 speech was absolute chef's kiss beautiful. So powerful, it brought tears to my eyes and I loved hearing Todd Stashwick talking about it on The Ready Room too. Every single episode of this season has made me love both Shaw and Stashwick more and more. I sincerely hope we get Shaw and Seven in their own show sometime soon, as I'd love to see more of them both once this show ends.
Sounds like a plan!
The bucket makes sense because Odo was the only Changeling who lived so long on his own. Why not copy what he did when separate from the link?
@@RunnerX13 the bucket was just a poorly placed Easter egg. Even Odo stopped using the bucket after meeting the founders. Shaw's vase reference was likely because when Odo got his quarters Kira gave him a plant and he placed it in the bucket before placing it in the room. It would make more sense to regenerate either in the bed or under it if it is not a wall bunk. Behind the vent the bucket was in would have been better also.
Todd Stashwick already deserves an Emmy nomination. He is fantastic in so many ways.
Beverly is not just a Doctor, she was a Full Commander and a qualified Bridge Commander. So, she knows ship operations.
What got me was that all the men were like … well that’s that let’s give up… yes Billy boy ,I am looking at you….. where Beverly was like ok let’s figure this out and she did ,.. and the number three … isn’t that the number from cause and effect ? I think data used the number to remind him of how to cut the loop they were in ?
@@TheDivagirlfriend She waited for three samples before making a conclusion because that's the traditional threshold for deducing a pattern. One event is an isolated incident; two in conjunction are a coincidence; three are very unlikely to be accidental. She wanted to be sure, so she used the scientific method in its simplest form -- observe the interval, predict the interval, and learn from the interval's deviation from prediction. Her careful attention saved the ship.
She's actually a full Stellar Captain (now civilian, but still...)
@@TheDivagirlfriend absolutely. Well, I think for Riker he really is consumed by this feeling of sinking into death, and it clouded his ability to assess the situation is anything but the inevitable collapse into his depression.
In a lot of ways, Beverly is the only one of them that has continued to be consistent. Even her going out of Starfleet is consistent with her constant frustration with her inability to just help people medically.
We met Todd Stashwick last week on the Star Trek cruise. He is truly one of the nicest guys! So happy he’s part of the family!
Captain Shaw is the best captain in the fleet! what a legend!
Star Trek cruise? is that a thing? Oh wow
@@maeliandrade9919 Star Trek The Cruise. It was AWESOME!!!
He's fantastic in 12 Monkeys too.
Definitely worth checking the show out if you're enjoying S3 of Picard (it's the same showrunner).
100%!!
This was the best Star Trek episode in 20 years. Everyone had a part to play and every character brought something to the table, meaning no one was just there being dragged along for the sake of the story.
100%!!! 🙂🖖
Agree the best Trek in years....and to think it follows Season 2 which was the worst!
@@craigmckee2885 it is best Kirkman abandoned the show and let the new producer/show runner Matalas make this series.
Well, best since "United" say or some other Enterprise episodes, late run.
You haven't watched enough of lower decks. There is GREAT Trek happening there in between the comedy
The only Borg deadly enough to be given a name. Shaw’s story really went hard
Shawn's monologue about Wolf 359 shows that Star fleet should really provide better therapy options.
Yes!!! This a thousand times! I cannot understand the love for this scene. While well-acted, it is completely inappropriate for a Starfleet captain to talk like this, and he would surely have received counselling for this trauma - not to mention that as a rational person (which we assume you would have to be to get to the position of captain) he would know that Picard is a hero, he is NOT Locutus.
@@nicoladoering5030 Very true but we know that despite acting like a people first organization Starfleet can be very callous with their sailors and soldiers, I mean if you think about it people like Beckett Mariner from Star Trek Lower Decks was spat out of the academy and sent to fight in the Dominion War, and she's been allowed to stay in Star Fleet through mostly nepotism despite her constant acting out definitely being a sign of PTSD.
Excuse me. You two "experts" have no clue. ZERO. You can go to therapy and you can be counseled but if you are saying that purges the memory of that day you cannot be more WRONG. You learn to compartmentalize and you don't let interfere with your job. I was a Navy Hospital Corpsman and am still a paramedic so I KNOW trauma and PTSD. But if you two ever got together with a bunch of EMTS and me I promise you would hear WAY worse than that speech that we have done. AND WE STILL DO THE JOB.
Mostly, I'm just wondering what Changeling in Starfleet HR had the brilliant idea of assigning an ex-Borg to be his first officer. I mean, way to play the long game there, guys.
I would invite you to rewatch the episode where data takes command of the enterprise where worf is pushing back too much on data and data says look you’re supposed to support me publicly once I’ve made a decision. And they have that moment where they both apologize that this may have impacted their friendship. This is exactly what’s going on with Riker & Picard.
Not only do I think Shaw's monolog was not only one of the best monologs in Star Trek, I think it's one of the best representations of trauma in the series. As someone who has C-PTSD I know how it feels to come face to face with your demons you'd shoved to the background for years and I felt seen by Shaw's monolog.
That's a very good point. And like a real person, he probably wouldn't be able to articulate this when he first saw Picard in episode 1 and it's been festering inside him until this episode where after some pain meds he just lets it go! And the cause of it: the survivor's guilt knowing he lived while dozens of his closest friends died and that has never been resolved for him. Makes perfect sense.
They did such a good job of making us hate him at first and then, with that moment, make us feel bad for ever hating him.
Although, I still won't stop hating him until he calls Seven by the correct name.
Yeah, his reaction reminds me of... things about myself, let's say. Not comparable of course, but relatable levels of repressed rage and remorse.
Yes!
Kinda cool that we had a Captain Shaw giving an great monologue about being a survivor of a ship that was destroyed during a battle when one of the greatest movie monologues of all-time is by actor Robert *Shaw* in Jaws about surviving the sinking of the USS Indianapolis destroyed by the Japanese in WW2.
In a episode with so many stand out moments, the one where Picard answers Jack's question was just the best, it brought out a "oh no!" out of me, before he even answered. It's such good writing, that we know in the context of all the ensigns around him, getting them inspired about beeing in Starfleet and maybe getting hyped a bit himself along the way it was the obvious answer he knew was right for his audience at the moment. His experience as a captain giving motivational speeches basically hindered him meeting his son, something you never thought about could backfire and yet it did. But that's one of so many good scenes, every episode of this season is better than the last, so good Star Trek is back.
This is by far the best season of Picard and I'm pretty sad that we only get 1 season with Jack and Jean-Luc's relationship.
The moment he asked Jack if he knew about the first time he had met Picard, I knew he was going to say Wolf 359.
It explains a LOT about Shaw.
It's amazing a man that cracked still after 30 plus years ever got a command.
@@Vipre- Normal situations without a trigger, he could suppress the PTSD enough. But with Picard on board and him being the potential cause of 500 deaths, old wounds opened up.
@@TheBntimmins Given his attitude toward Seven long before Picard ever arrived I have doubts it was all that suppressed.
@@Vipre- Not completely, yes. But enough to get the captains chair.
It also confirmed to me somebody put Seven under his command to get her out of Starfleet
I don’t know why but this felt like a stand-alone TNG episode, even though it is not. Had all the elements of a TNG episode I think that made it work!
I completely agree. This was definitely the best episode of all of Picard so far. Imagine how much better it would be if they remembered to take the lens cap off
Yeah! It really did!
I love that there has been so many officers confronting Picard for what he was forced to do while he was a borg. From Sisko to Shaw it’s incredible long term story telling. This episode was gold and this season is everything Picard should have been since season one and it makes me sad that now that it’s this good it’s over
Jonathan Frakes has been the stand out to me in these first four episodes. He is clearly loving every second of what he is doing and is giving the best riker performance we’ve ever seen. They are all killing it. But frakes is on top of his game in front of and behind the camera.
Agreed, I loved the TNG but Riker was always not one of my favs,, in this season im loving him!!! Frakes is defiantly loving it, putting so much into the character... Top notch acting
He's a solidly good director... including a few excellent episodes of The Orville.
And I've been impressed with his acting too. He was always good with comedy, now we're seeing outros aspectos. He has matured as an actor as well.
Rikers "You're God Damn Right I Did" was the line of the episode for me.
"Did you order the code red?!"
"You're goddamned right I did!!"
Shaw’s Wolf 359 experience was hinted at in the 1st episode of Season 3. From calling Seven by her birth name, to the Borg reference to Picard & Riker when they 1st meet. You could see and hear the hate he had in his voice for the Borg.
Was going to comment about that. Someone called this plot here in the comments.
I felt it helped tied in all the other series and was another redemption arc. I loved it, because we probably know there are other officers who hated picard because XYZ was at wolf 359 and you killed XZY. And it tied it many of the other series. Burnham, and fight with the klingons. janeway stranding her crew in the delta quadrant/ even bit with Orville. (I LOVED last season of Orville). i am loving this season.
There would be plenty of reasons a Starfleet officer may hate the Borg, not just being at Wolf 359 - but the outro reference to the USS Constance's battle damage there was certainly a pointer towards Shaw having been aboard her during the battle.
Still, shows that Starfleet has shitty counselling if they can't treat PTSD and survivor's guilt properly. Also I expect from an officer to be able to understand that someone who is assimilated is not responsible for anything, as they have lost their personality and individuality.
@@countluke2334 As someone else said, Starfleet may well have covered up or downplayed what happened to Picard, leaving only rumor and gossip about Locutus - or even if they did fully disclose that he was assimilated and had no control over his actions, there may have been those who simply didn't believe it.
As far as the PTSD goes, it has been long established, if not officially discussed, that Starfleet is really overconfident (if not outright negligent) in their not always effective methods of dealing with trauma.
That Jack seeks out Picard years ago broke my heart. Definitely one of the best episode of ANY Star Trek series.
Does anyone remember Jadzia's practical joke on DS9, whenever she snuck into Odo's quarters and moved everything around like one whole meter slightly and it pissed Odo off so bad.
10cm XD he had such massive OCD about it.
@@nattieCSH Yeah, you're right, 10 cm. My bad.
For some odd reason, whenever I think back to this Jadzia prank, I revert back as I go forward towards another show, Brooklyn 99, whenever Peralta, played a joke on Holt, and moved his podium over an inch in a cold open.
Still, Jadzia's prank on Odo was so much better because she snuck into his quarters and moved not just one thing but everything over...like you said, 10 cm.
will always love their affectionate annoyance of each other. Nog drove Jake crazy. Bashir drove O’Brien nuts. Rom drove Quark mad. Quark drove everyone insane. Big dysfunctional family! 😂
No one thought the “space babies” looked like the creatures from Farpoint?
@@mccray82 ya know, I actually kind of thought the same thing…just a little bit.
There is a look I've noticed now, with Sisko and now Shaw when Picard walks in, it is an unmistakable "I survived 359" look. By the way Shaw was acting when he met the captain and admiral...I had a big suspicion this was the case .
I suspected either Wolf 359 or maybe he survived the Dominion War, but Wolf 359 sounds more plausable.
Agreed. His attitude towards Seven made it even more obvious that he hates the Borg - I completely buy it.
"I was at Wolf, Admiral." Or "I lost a LOT of friends at 3.5.9. Picard..." and both could still be used.
It also explains his distain for Seven. And why he refuses to call her by that name.
This and his animosity with 7, lead me to suspecthe was a Wolf 359 survivor. Im glad (from a storytelling point of view) that this was actually the case.
I love that they did a callback to Encounter at Far point with the baby space jellyfish! And knowing now that Shaw was at Wolf 359 I can understand his attitude toward Seven of Nine.
And why he pressured her to go by her human name 😕
I did also like that he more or less confirmed in-universe that the JuratiBorg are indeed an offshoot of the regular Borg that are still hanging back in the Delta Quadrant.
My Favourite scene was when Seven shot the changing and Todd said how did you know and seven goes "She calls me Seven out of respect" the look on his face, it was priceless. The look of I deserved that just said it all. I can see him referring to her as Seven now.
for me when Jean Luc took command and said Engage it gave me goosebumps. Really enjoyed this episode
And he also did the Picard Maneuver with his jacket when he sat down in the captain’s chair. Perfection!
@@lauralebrun2996 THAT'S the moment that gave me shivers! Thanks for pointing it out!
Voyager always mentioned that the holodeck had its own power
Harry tried to get power from the holodeck, and he blew up many systems. The holodeck is a separate system
Just as a separate, aside. I'd assume that Star Fleet after getting Voyager's reports would IMMEDIATELY work on making the systems compatible? Doesn't mean anything about this show I just mean in general.
@DragonSword maybe they want the holodeck to be separated for the reasons they mentioned in this episode.
Holodeck keeps the crew pacified while the ships blow up.
Like the scene, Redlettermedia came up with for their review, where the crew is on A beach
Given the number of times the holodeck has caused problems, I'd keep it separate too.
@@MeNoOther I don't think a pacified crew is the goal. There is nothing stopping a holodeck from functioning as a new sickbay or as a barracks if those sections of the ship are destroyed or much be otherwise evacuated.
@@benhobson3084 Absolutely, not to mention a science lab which has been the case more than a few times.
An up for me is not having to go between the two story lines throughout the whole episode. I love the Worf/Raffi story, and it obviously connects with the main story with the changelings. I'm glad this episode was all on the Titan though.
In this episode, there were two paralel story lines, the main one and the flashbacks, so I guess they couldn't also include the B story of WORF. So I guess next episode will be Worf, Raffi and Geordi... The main story was sinking in the well, fear of death and fear of life-birth story, the loss of a son, the moments of weakness and flaws of the captains (Picard, Riker, Shaw and Vadic weaknesses are revealed). The B-story, is a parallel one, the flashbacks, that first show Picard tellling his stories of being a hero and his "family" as a team which was the set up, for, in the background of the scene - (with Shakespearian stage setting!!! the young Star Fleet officers are like a stage curtain that opens up to reveal the hidden plot action in the background, that we also see this in Citizen Kane) - , we see at the end of this B story Picard's becoming aware of his loss of the chance to be Jack's father many years before, and he dives for a moment into his own fear of children, his not needing a "legacy" (ep 1), his not wanting to be a father and even his fear of being "in a real family", and he learns of his loss of the time he could have had with his son. It was his life in flashback, perhaps played in the moments before he might have died (as they escaped the gravity well Life form), and it was as if his life was passing before his eyes and he became aware in that instant that he had met his son in the past, and bungled his own chance to be a father as well as acknowleging the value of being a father, and that he had always denied this fear, just as Riker denied death (paralel to the fear of the Borg in Shaw, and the fear of death seen in Vadic) and, finally, Picard was able to see the value of life, of being a father and of what he could have been, in that poetic moment of the nebula's birth, reminding us of the rejoining of the family like at the end of Encounter at Farpoint. In that moment the two stories of past and present came together, thus focusing mostly on Picard, his past, his excursions for "getting laid", which is also matched by the figure of the mother, Beverly Crusher, who is the only one who has always valued being a mother and can also perceive that the ship is inside a womb. It is the birth of the family, the one of the past (Bevery, Jack, Picard), the coming together of the family Riker and Deanna, the coming together of the team and shipmates as family, the coming together of the ship as vessel that rides the waves and is born free, mutually acting with the new life form as they drift out together, as they overcome their own fears and encounter life and the freedom to be a family.
Season 3 of Picard is the real Star Trek we have been waiting for!
Changeling La Forge’s use of a torch as a weapon reminded me of the TNG episode “Starship Mine” where a similar weapon was going to be used on Captain Picard when the Enterprise was undergoing a baryon sweep.
I took the flinging an asteroid bit as indicating Terry Matalas is also a fan of Galaxy Quest & was referencing the Nesmith Manoeuvre (i.e. “My ship is DRAGGING MINES!”).
I literally said that out loud soon as I saw it. Sadly it's half 1 in the morning and my guinea pigs didn't get the reference :-)
Totally agree, first thing that popped into my head, also I'd say Terry is a big fan of "Alien", when they shut down life support near the end you clearly hear the Nostromo warning alarm sound effect
That gave me goosebumps
This episode of Picard is quite possibly my all time favorite episode of StarTrek ever.
And I am certain that it is going to build and get even better. It is already a classic to watch and rewatch. I think the plot is going to be amazing and complex, with many unexpected turns. We are seeing the work of great imaginations and great storytelling.
you cant be serious...
@@justindot4887 He can. And I agree with him. I told my partner after it ended, "That was the best episode of Trek I have seen in decades."
Shaw’s intense monologue in this episode reminds me of Quint’s monologue about the Indianapolis in “Jaws”. Same kind of bravado at the start giving way to deep trauma, rage, and a sense of shame at having survived. I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that he was named “Shaw” after Robert Shaw, the actor who delivered that monologue!
If you watch the "Ready Room" episode that goes along with Episode 4, Todd Stadwick actually confirms this with Wil Wheaton and they compare Shaw's monologue to Jaw's Quint Monologue.
It was indeed a nod to jaws and the actor Robert Shaw.
I give the bucket a pass. The great link, much like the Borg Collective, allows the thoughts and feelings of all within to be shared. So it wouldn’t surprise me if changelings going out into the world, especially if for the first time, leant on habits learned from Odo. Especially as the connection is so deep it probably would have brought them feelings of comfort and familiarity via the memories of Odo.
So do i. I think it should not have been a down at all. And the fact Seven missed it ? She had no idea it was important at the time
Exactly - and it is FIRMLY established in canon that Changelings, as a rule, don't leave the Great Link for any great length of time. It's not as if there's a great mound of antique travel pots somewhere on the Founder Homeworld. And as far as we know, these anti-peace rebels have been separated for YEARS. So, it makes sense that they'd reach for whatever memories are floating around and Odo's would be rather strong.
@@CRanapia There is a second great link from another group of changelings - several "seedling" changelink gathered together. (Hat Tip to Certifiably Ingame's Rick for reminding me of this.)
I look forward to Sean's Ups and Downs almost as much as I look forward to the episodes themselves. Keep it up, pal!
It’s my companion show for every Star Trek episode
@wickideazy and @NeuroD, I could not agree more. I might poke at it for have such minor nitpicky entries for downs (AHEM... like... I did this week [looks at feet in shame]), I still LOVE the Ups and Downs and they definitely get watched by me immediately after viewing the episodes.
Same here!
I always go to Sean, right after Picard, and also watch his friend Jessie Gender! Love them both!
It seems to me that the lighting is less Red Alert and more Emergency Lighting. I'm not sure they're saving any power using the red lights over the regular lights, but it does set the "Slowly dying" feeling of the ship.
Red lighting also doesn't affect the vision in near-complete darkness like a white or blue light.
@@bluestreakbthr I also heard about this above red light makes so much more sense when you might have sections of the ship completely dark
It's been confirmed that it was a Paramount+ lighting glitch which has since been fixed
@@Lanosrep oh interesting where was it confirmed?
@@Lanosrep there’s the world of production and the world within the story. I bet a lot of cannon is based on accidents in production
"Starfleet is the only family I need"
What an absolute gut punch
Wow… there’s so much good stuff packed into this episode, that it’s worth rewatching. Also, the music for this season has been amazing, so i hope there’s going to be a soundtrack available after the series ends.
So, I'm going to make a theory that might be a stretch. The bucket - I am going to surmise that when Odo rejoined the Great Link, it was well-established that when Changelings link with each other in liquid form, they share each other's memories, Odo's memories of growing up with Dr. Mora were shared with the rest of the Founders just as Odo cured the Great Link of the disease they were infected with in the series finale of DS9. Odo's feelings for Dr. Mora were passed on to the others, which was the whole premise of the Founders sending the baby Chanelings out into the galaxy in the first place...to learn and explore about what's out in the far reaches of space. Odo was the first to return home and shared his experiences. So, I would say it is not unlike Trills...the feelings and experiences of previous hosts are passed down. I think about Ezri and how she was so confused on the things she likes and dislikes because of the Dax symbioant. So, like Ezri, the other Changelings may have developed affection to Dr. Mora too even though it was really not their experiences, and the bucket is a symbol of that affection with Odo.
Second, it was established in the Voyager episode "Night" that holodecks had their own independent power. This isn't new. Tom Paris and Seven were trapped on the holodeck when Voyager lost power, but they were able to get a status on the ship while on the holodeck.
Makes sense to me
Good line of reasoning, but in one episode of DS9 Odo says, "I don't use the bucket anymore" and uses it for a potted plant.
@@lambertduong6490 I think they should have used that. Instead of Shaw saying that they have a bucket, he tells Seven to go the the quarters and scan for residue. She scans around the room and comes to a plant in a bucket. Seven removes the plant and takes the bucket. No need to mention that the changling regenerates there. Just that it has residue on it. Nice Easter egg for DS9 fans. Doesn't break continuity.
@@lambertduong6490 That's because he has his own quarters, and everyone knows "these are Odo's quarters, he's a Changeling, who knows what form he may be in." With a Changeling hiding out in the quarters of our unfortunate ensign, they would be looking for somewhere nondescript to regenerate in case someone entered for some reason. A bucket in the bottom of a closet, with some stuff piled on it, or behind a panel would be pretty damned nondescript.
I'm not sure if it was an intentional reference, but Seven finding the bucket behind the light fixture reminded me immediately of The Conscience of the King, when Kirk finds a phaser about to explode, hidden behind a similar light fixture in his cabin during a double red alert.
I was thinking more of how Scotty found the bloodied uniforms behind a vent grate in The Undiscovered Country, but that works, too!
I just watched The Conscience of the King recently, so I thought about this, too.
Exactly, I couldn't remember the episode! Very similar.
I had déjà vu on that bucket-behind-the-panel thing, but I couldn't fathom why, especially the ease with which it was pushed open.
Than you for resolving this for me.
"Ten fucking gruelling hours." is exactly how someone would explain something similar to that experience to their child or family. Someone who they absolutely feel comfortable with or want to be open with. Pretense is completely removed and a singular honest of character that isn't filtered by professionalism or intention is such a beautiful scene.
This was SUCH a stellar episode! I was on the fence as to whether adding Todd Stashwick would have been a good thing, but he's nailed it in every scene so far! And I can't say enough how truly happy it makes me to see all the ST: TNG crew on screen again together after all these years! I grew up watching them, it was our after dinner TV-time show because even my parents liked Trek...so nostalgic...
I am so glad that all the actors are getting a chance to show their skills, which did not happen so much in TNG.
@@alicemonsell1352 You're right, and I'm loving every second so far :D
This was by far and away one of the best episodes I have seen out of the entire Trek franchise, in a very, very long time. They got back to the core of what makes Star Trek amazing.
Shaw is turning out to be the new Pike. Completely different experiences and personalities but both written and acted so well that I honestly would love seeing a Titan spin off with Stashwick one day in the same vein as how Strange New Worlds came about from people's appreciation for Mount's performance.
Calling Shaw a new pike, i think, is a little over doing it. Yes the character is well written and acted but Pike he is not
I would go further and suggest, he has the makings of a sisko about him.
Unfortunately, a “Pike” show was already in the works and was well on its way to production. The fan reaction/demand was simply a marketing miracle.
Fans have some power; the Expanse is proof enough of that. But I highly doubt we’ll get anything of the sort.
Why? Because 1. Strange New Worlds is already a show. Paramount has made it clear they’re looking at expanding the ST universe into other genres & mediums rather than the tried & true ensemble planet of the week format.
2. Paramount has scaled back their streaming production massively. With the cancellation of Disco we are now down to 3 Star Trek shows, 2 after this season of Picard.
Lower decks & SNW. And prodigy but I don’t really count that one quite as much.
Then they’ve got another show on the way about section 31/Michelle Yeoh’s character that we haven’t heard anything about in over a year and is likely getting the axe.
Short to mid term, Star Trek will probably see another drought. In the next 10-15 years there will be a new generation and a renewed hope for classic/traditional or ATLEAST competent Trek.
As much as I love SNW I don’t see it lasting more than 3 seasons. That’s simply the way television is now. It’s unfortunate.
@@afewsnakes gone are the days of long 20-24 episode seasons. I miss those days.
His acting has pulled sympathy for the character from me. Excellent!
Uplifting. Closure. Feeling young again. Some of the many, many feelings and themes this episode brought out. Possibly one of the best episodes of Trek since the heights of DS9 and Voyager. Simply wonderful acting, directing and storytelling. Ten thumbs up 👍 ...and all by episode 4, can't wait for more! 🖖
I loved this episode. I was worried that whole story will be in this nebula and no! We will have a quite fresh start with plot next week. Love it!
Frakes continues to be such an amazing director.
Frakes MUST be given the director's job for the fourth Kelvin Trek movie after this superb episode!
Absolutely loved Riker using the tractor beam to launch an asteroid into the Shrike's maw!
A little payback for getting the shuttle thrown at them in episode two. Riker is good at adaptive on the fly improvised tactics.
oh that wasn’t a shuttle. the shrike threw a whole starship at them.
I rewound that four times lol
Snarky Ryker is always the best Ryker.
I yelled a few profanities at the moment - brilliant!
Just wonderful. I’m absolutely loving this season, it has everything I could ever ask for in a Star Trek series and more more more 😊 The scene with Changeling La Forge was so creepy!
Jack and Picard react well together. It's down to Stewart being able to act well against any decent actor....a huge compliment for Ed Speleers to perform so well against such a legend!
The Riker scene made me instantly remember "What you don't realize is, we're dragging MINES!" from Galaxy Quest :)
I would have counted in the “cetacean observations” when Picard sat in the command seat and Riker sat in his traditional number one spot as harkening back to TNG. Don’t know where it would have fit, but I loved Jack’s sad look when he was observing Picard talk to the recruits in the flashback scene and Picard said that “Starfleet was the only family he needed.” That was a sad moment, but also calls back to the episode where Picard returns to the family winery when his brother was still in charge of it and Picard meets his young nephew (also the episode where Wesley watches the hologram of his father, the original Jack Crusher).
I agree. There was another sad look he did very well, when he's implying that Picard's trying to be a dad by giving him a moment he thinks Jack needs. We anticipate Picard's reply, but Speleers' reaction is masterful, subtle and very moving. As Sean said, he's turning out to be much more likeable than I expected. Rather than the tired stereotype of 'angry alienated son' which has been done to death, he's giving us a nuanced, sympathetic performance. It's refreshing and endearing.
Also Picard did the tugging of his shirt thing, which he did all the time in TNG
I just posted that was my latinum up when the penny dropped for Picard that he was the reason Jack stayed away.
@@geekishgir yeah, that was brilliant seeing the realisation dawn on Picard's face and the distinct sadness and apology in his gaze at Jack. Masterful cinema from Jonathan Frakes.
@@whalemonstre I loved the sympathetic look that Jack gave Jean-Luc when Picard said that that moment is what *he* needed. He went from that wary "are you trying to be my dad now almost 25 years later because we're about to die" look to "maybe there is more to this guy than I thought" and softened up immediately. Jack has been trained to help people, and in his way, Picard was crying out for help there.
Totally agree with your cursing argument, the f bomb just hit different. Gotta say, Frakes/Riker has truly been the standout of the season so far. Really feels like Riker hasn't missed a beat, such a pleasure to watch
I have a theory that Captain Shaw is named after the actor Robert Shaw who gave that haunting telling of the fate of USS Indianapolis in "Jaws". Capt. Shaw's chilling, traumatic account of Wolf 359 is very reminiscent of the Indianapolis scene. I don't know if the name is a coincidence, but I think it's VERY deliberate.
RE @20:20 - I never saw the Rikers as happy on Nepenthe - they struck me as in mourning. They pushed through it for Kestra, but any time she wasn't present, Deanna and Will always seemed sad to me; i.e. when Deanna started crying and breaking down to Picard about Thad's death/the unfairness of it being due to the Synth ban- 'I'm not as brave as I once was'; the discussion between Riker and Picard on the lake (I got the impression that he was 'drifting' in a way, until Picard's 'mission' gave him a purpose (return temporarily to Starfleet, get the fleet to the Synth homeworld, etc.).
Was I the only person who interpreted the Riker's attitudes on Nepenthe that way?
Nope, I kind of thought the same thing. It felt to me like they were hiding/being overprotective of Kestra due to Thad's death. Picard realized it, too (and they presumably had other interactions which we haven't seen), which is why he called Will out on it. This is at least the second time that Riker has run off at the drop of a hat when Picard has come calling - and he apparently went back on at least some form of active duty after he wrangled the temporary reactivation to command the Zeng He and the fleet responding to Coppellius.
It seems like a bit of their old-fashioned "improvise a way to survive certain death" tricks was what he needed to wake up.
Similarly I saw it as the Riker's putting on a brave face for Picard but there is some serious damage going on underneath that facade. I totally buy that the Riker's weren't as happy as they appeared on the surface when we saw them from Picard's perspective.
Excellent observations, indeed.
Thinking back on the episode, I think you're right. Wow.
You were not.
Hell, Nepenthe just *sounds* morbid.
I love that the Shaw character is showing us to see our legacy heroes in a different light. Yes, we love the adventures of Picard & crew….but not everyone experiences those adventures the same way. Think about how isolated Picard really was, a seeming shell of the captain we all knew…and many didn’t like it. I didn’t like it….but… all those triumphs & tragedies over a life & career caught up to him. The love of his life (Beverly) totally disappears without an word after their relationship went south for the 5th time. Starfleet accepts his resignation when he protests about them not doing the right thing? How many Siskos and Shaws would Picard have met in the last 30 years? Sure, there’s plenty of people who would look at him as a legend…but among all those officers would be hundreds or more who only knew him as that ghoulish face on the screen telling them resistance was futile and then cutting their starships and buddies to bits. No matter how much good he did, no matter how many times he helped save the galaxy, he lives with the memory of having snuffed out 11k lives while under duress, plus how many more who, like original Jack Crusher, simply died while under Picard’s command. And Shaw…like many veterans he may have thought he had dealt with the trauma but here, 30 years later, the man who’s haunted his nightmares is now not only on board his ship…but is the reason his current crew is in mortal danger. No, Shaw shouldn’t have been so nasty to Picard & Riker… but it’s absolutely understandable and Picard was humble enough to recognize it all once he heard Shaw’s story. He isn’t Locutus…but the memory of being Locutus isn’t far even 30 years later. And then we had that most excellent ending. Just great Star Trek!
About the hero: I saw the hero (or antihero) as a theme of this episode, because we saw all the "heroic" powerful captains in their weakest moments, first Picard, then Riker, then Shaw and even Vadic. It seemed to be a counterpoint for the theme of the team (family) working together. The leader is only as strong as the people around him/her. And poor Vadic, even the vilian gets a little sympathy, for Vadic is under the control of a Talking Head, and she/he has no family, just clicking beasts who must follow orders.
I thought this did a great job of explaining why Shaw was so immensely antagonistic towards Picard, right from the off... also I really liked the fact he calls out Locutus was THE ONLY BORG EVER GOT A NAME - something this video never mentioned, despite being so incredibly focused on other minor details like the RED LIGHTS
@@maniaq77 I was about to tease you with some of the old Alt Universe STCCG cards, but then again, Gowron of Borg and Bariel of Borg- well, they didn't get new names, did they? They just kept their old ones...
Seven being a spy finding the changling and partnering up with Shaw reminds me of VOY, Episode 4x07 "Scientific Method" where Seven and the Doctor teamed up to discover who was experimenting on the crew.
Love your team's work on Star Trek, Sean. This is absolutely incredible commentary on the series. Love love love!
I am kind of impressed with the Shaw arc. They made him extremely unlikeable, and then brought him around to being a sensible captain willing to hand over control, and you understood why he is contemptuous of Picard and 7 (and why he insists on calling her Hansen).
Is it wishful thinking if I want a spin-off for Shaw? 🙂
He’s unlikeable for a reason other than the purpose of pure antagonism. He’s unlikeable because of the shit that he’s been through, but he is still sensible, competent, and as far as we can see, a genuinely good man.
@@AviationJeremy But still an asshole, and he knows it. Besides, you don't have to like somebody to respect them.
I will love Shaw with all my being when he calls her Commander Seven
@@AviationJeremy I read another comment that he always makes the right decision but he is a real jerk about it.
A note about the darkness on the ship during red alert. When I was on a US Coast Guard Cutter, except in areas where safety required otherwise, we would turn the interior lights to red after sunset in order to preserve our night vision, at least for the sake of those standing bridge watches. Given that the ship is essentially surrounded by night circumstances, it actually makes sense from an operational stand point that they would have a similar approach.
"To seek out new life...
Now let's boldly get the hell out of here"
Loved how Will hilariously undercuts Beverley all whilst riffing on the classic intro.
That should have had an Up
So many petty "downs" and so many missed "ups", and that was definitely one of them. Amazing episode and season thus far!
Great job as always! I love watching your recap after watching the episode. Keep up the good work.
What a fantastic ending. Easily in the Top 3 of best episodes of “new” Trek hands down.
I probably have commented this on every video so far, but man I wish this had been Season 1 of Picard.
You really don’t need to watch seasons 1 & 2 of Picard to understand this season… Star Trek Picard is really just 1 season… Season 3!
I dunno. I'd put three episodes of SNW ahead of it easily.
Memento Mori, All Those Who Wander, Quality of Mercy
i liked strange new worlds final episode for season 1... what a bad ass episode and a perfect set up for the menagerie
Picard is always a rather guarded individual, I think him dropping the f-bomb was a perfect highlight of him letting us guard down in front of his son and being a father not a captain or admiral.
If you listen closely, you can also hear phaser fire, explosions and screaming (iirc) when the captain of the Stargazer is reliving his trauma. Goosebumps. I picked it up because I had ear buds in.
I loved this episode; and the Frakes directing: it was magnificent
No shout-out for Picard's log entry at episode's end that felt JUST like the end of every TNG episode ever?!? It took me straight back!
And 10 forward!
I have been waiting for this U&D since 1230AM when I watched the episode. Shaw’s recounting of Wolf 359 was the absolute highlight. This character is just phenomenal, can’t wait to see how the rest of the season plays out with him.
I hated the guy at first, but after that speech...I get it. Survivors guilt is a bitch
Absolutely my favorite episode for season 3! the reveal of why Captain Shaw has such disdain for Picard was eye opening. It totally changed Shaw's character, turning him from assho-e to survivor. I do wish there was a scene where the changeling transformed from an object into a person, just remind people that they can be anything.
No, no, he's still an asshole. Just a somewhat more understandable asshole.
I think the changeling pot thing was to introduce some kind of weakness to an otherwise over-powered enemy.
Honestly should have been even more powerful. They never had the Changeling just be a part of a wall and come out to attack. OR from DS9 like actual fire or be able to form themselves into something that can catch up to a Runabout AT WARP. They did one thing where it tanked a bunch of phaser shots but ultimately went down really unsatisfyingly. If Seven had pulled out a Borg tech that would have been better and would have been a fun lore nugget.
Amanda Plummer spinning in her chair on the Shrike reminded me of her father Christopher Plummer spinning in his chair when he played the Klingon Chang on Star Trek Undiscovered Country.
Legitimately my favourite episode of revived Star Trek. On the verge of tears for most of it. The fleeting, then huge, reference to Farpoint had a wonderful full circle feel to it.
I'm all for the swearing, it was no-win scenario. I'll allow the 96 year old Picard a bit of effing!
Best episode in years amazing, can't believe he found so many downs, that bucket may get explained more later up too
very well done, lots of things I didn't notice!
Spinning a wild theory of Jack, and it's based on what we see of Vadic. Vadic, I don't think is a Changeling. She cuts her hand off to communicate with mini-Link which looks a lot like a piece of a Changeling, but she seemed to have felt pain while doing so which a Changeling shouldn't. What if she's been "infected" or is acting as a living host to a piece of a Changeling. And Jack also has a piece stuck in his head, hence these visions and a voice calling him to "find me"...
i'd like to piggy back on your wild theory with something of mine that works with yours.
In When It Rains DS9, bashir commented that Changling goo could lead to synthetic organs.
BASHIR: It's very difficult to keep a supply of synthetic organs on hand in a battlefield situation. You never know how many livers you're going to need, or how many hearts.
ODO: I can imagine. But what does that have to do with me?
BASHIR: Well, the Holy Grail of organ replacement is to be able to find a way to inject the patient with undifferentiated tissue so that can become whatever organ is needed. The only problem is
ODO: Doctor, get to the point.
BASHIR: I need to borrow a cup of goo.
ODO: Excuse me?
BASHIR: Please? I'll give it back. You see, I need to study your morphogenic matrix so that I can synthesise organic tissue that can change form the way your cells do.
ODO: To use for organ replacement.
BASHIR: Exactly.
maybe the Changelings reward or control people into service by Using their own bodies to repair bodies, we know they can lock their goo into solid working organs. If the organ is separated perhaps it returns to its morphogenic state which also can allow a changeling to subspacially link to it across distances so they can locate/rejoin with it.
My theory is that Beverly used a Changeling's Morphogenic Fluids to modify/replace brain tissue that she was forced to remove to prevent Jack from developing Irumonic Syndrome, The Voice is the female Changeling which ended up being the true target behind the Daystom heist as she was most likely stored there for study while being imprisoned. beverly may have used samples of her tissue that starfleet medical may have been studying to both create artificial morphogenic fluids and discover how to create those perfect organs that Dr. Bashir hypothesized could be done. Now freed after the heist, the female changeling is trying to reach out and is trying to get Jack to actually open the link through his Changeling organ. This is why he is important to the changelings, he is both a boon and threat as if he gains the ability to control his link to the changeling Link, he could locate the now hidden terror network and expose them all. Female changeling just wants to complete herself and reclaim what is missing from her.
@@blackreaper2247 I’m not usually a fan of fan theories, but I absolutely love this
I think your on to something.
@@blackreaper2247 dang... that's good.
Now I will be disappointed if this isn't it.
Best episode yet! I loved it! Amazing acting in this one. Good on Jonathan Frakes for not only fantastic direction, but a level of acting he doesn’t often get to show.
And Shaw’s trauma…. Wow!
Shaw's response to Picard calling him a "dipshit from Chicago" was gold. And his response to Seven's execution of LaForge when she pointed out that LaForge called her Seven out of respect.
He's such a lovable asshole.
I 8000% agree with your latinum up, that was an amazing moment and an incredible raw emotional performance. I'm glad that they're exploring and fleshing out Shaw's character, it would have been easy just to have him as a one-and-done guy but we're getting a whole complete human person that's adding so much depth to the season so far. Looking forward to more!
Every single old guard cast and new also have delivered on all levels in this season, I was actually worried about it but after four eps am not disappointed. Stellar season and I do hope we get a new generation of trek in the current timeline. And more ups and downs for you good Sir.
The character development of Shaw is fantastic, at first, he was unlikable, but this episode makes it all work, and it makes total sense why he feels the way he does to Picard, and Seven. Fantastic inclusion of Wolf 359.
Also, when Riker sent a meteor back at the Shrike, was poetic justice, I was beaming madly given what Vadic did earlier!
Riker - "Pucker up, Vadic! The asteroid needs a smooch!"
I never knew I wanted this season, but now that it's here......I want another
I'm just gonna take the throwing stuff with the tractor beam in this season as a personal gift just for me alone. This is something I wished to see for a long time beeing done, Lower Decks also did it in one episode and I'm glad it's now here as well. Now we need the additional wish fullfilled, that is defending with the tractor beam, shields are down, attacks are coming in, grab a rock and place it between the ship and the attackers while running. Please, Terry Matalas, make it so!
In DS9 it's implied that the founders were matching Odo, I'm almost certain the female changeling notes it at some point but its mostly from the idea that they don't typically go around choosing unique solid forms to interact with the world in, but they do so initially for the interactions with Odo, when it can be presumed in any other cases they would just take the forms of someone they're impersonating. So really, a great honor. They saw Odo as being important, as any of their children and wanted him to return. The fact that Odo held so much sway in small skirmishes and dealing with the dominion shows this.
I also had it in my head that the female Founder kept the Odo-like look when interacting with Sisko and Starfleet as a form of psychological warfare, like it was meant to psyche out her adversaries, particularly the crew of DS9, and say to them, are you sure you can really trust Odo? He is one of is after all.
Just my little head canon, that’s all.
And don't the Founders and Odo look just like the alien in TNG's "The Chase" from 1993, the same year that DS9 started. So really, the Founders and Odo are based on the creature design of the alien from "The Chase", way before they even thought of "The Dominion". Woops! And double woops: The actress Salome Jens was the one who played the "Humanoid Progenitor" (Wikipedia) in The Chase as well as playing the "Female Changeling" in DS9. So an ancient tape recording an alien who is one of the "Progenitores", in the future, also became known as "The Founders" and has the same appearance?
The founders live in a big lake, they have receptacles no doubt instead of just oozing on the floor. The shape of the bucket is simple and stable, the most logical choice for them regardless of origin.
@@ianrobertson3419 Also the bucket concept might have been inherited from Odo after he re-joined the great link.
@@philipguyott3352 an excellent in universe explanation for what was obviously a ham fisted narrative Easter egg and plot point device. Also of course it would somewhat look Bajoran in style because The Great Link not only took the bucket idea but the style that Odo was used to. Your idea is enough for me to forget about it even if it doesn't smooth out all of the edges lol and out of respect for your excellent idea I won't explain what I mean by that further... It works well enough and I'm OK with that... Another sign that this really is Star Trek... The rough edges end up working in its favor with a little fan intervention... But aren't so ridiculous like the turbolifts on rails and in cavernous empty space like in discovery....sigh.
The Picard f-bomb worked for me, he was tired and used it in a way that just made sense to me. The real world limitations on cussing for STNG, should not imply that the character would not cuss.
I love the character growth that Shaw got in this episode. The weight of his survivors guilt from Wolf 359 and his apology to the others in the holodeck really improved my view of the character. It was just a great episode for him. I would down that no one at Starfleet medical thought that mandatory counseling was a good idea for Wolf 359 survivors.
Well, no, I feel it kinda does imply they shouldn't... They have progressed so far beyond our more simplistic and selfish ideals, so having them backtrack and start swearing, just doesn't feel or seem right for a show that is meant to envisage the idea of a brighter and better future.
Didn't Troi have to go through most of the Enterprise crew with mandatory counselling in the episodes after Best of Both worlds? I vaguely remember something like that
@mastere6115 swearing has been in Star Trek, though. "Damn" being uttered by Saavik all the way back in TWoK, and Janeway said it quite a bit.
Swearing is fine, it's not a moral failing, indeed, if you move beyond the idea that some words, by their very nature, are bad, a sort of hold over from magic words, then I feel that swearing would be less taboo in the future, rather than more.
Combine this with the fact that Picard is trying to connect with a younger person, one who has shown a lack of decorum, and I feel that while Picard may not drop f-bombs left and right, he might awkwardly do so in this situation.
It stood out to me, too, but then because it stood out, I thought it worked in the scene.
@@mastere6115 Yep. I hate it. Takes me out of the show everytime. They could at least come up an in-universe reason why everyone started swearing again. Like, a comment about how the younger generation who grew up during the dominion war took up swearing as a way to relieve some tension, and it ended up catching on with everyone over the course of the past 20 years. And you could have someone point it out, and complain about it. Finally, there could be a comment that it's just a fad, and it will certainly pass. Then phase it out. Cause again, I hate it. And it has no real place in star trek (except very, very rarely - like Data in Generations)
@@QBCPerdition Aliens swear, certainly Klingons do. I think this is one of those silly things like Geordi not knowing what taking a leak is. Slang exists, swears would exist. Swearing in moderation has been shown to relieve tension and increase vocal skills by not cutting yourself off from an entire category of expression. Obviously derogatory stuff wouldn't make sense but the rest is just network TV censorship that is somehow being accepted as reality.
As someone who was in the military, Picard talking to Jack and cursing explains the gravity of the situation. If my CO who never curses says a curse at the end or the start of a mission/operation, I know we’re in or leaving some shit.
Dang... you came down HARD on some stuff I didn't notice, and probably never would've.
With ya on Stashwick, though. The dude owns every scene he's in.
In the short story "Twilight's Wrath" from Tales of the Dominion War, Shinzon describes taking this knife from a dead Jem'Hadar soldier during his first engagement of the Dominion War.
Also you can just buy them in those mall shops. It’s not actually that unique a design.
@@CaritasGothKaraoke Now I'm picturing a squad of Jem'Hadar wandering through the mall eating food court hot dogs and checking out the latest apparel at Hot Topic.
@@chrisreid464*food court Sbarro 😆
Thank you, I was looking for this comment. I feel Trek Culture is being a bit picky this episode.
@@CaritasGothKaraoke If I'm ever on trial for murder, I want you on my jury.
Did anyone notice when younger Jack left the bar after Picard tells the cadets he never needed any family but Starfleet- the empty drink glass he leaves behind is his whisky on the rocks. The same as he has with his dad in the holodeck. Picard doesn’t just recognise Jack. He recognises the same drink. And jogs his memory to meeting his son incognito 5yrs years before.
Which makes me wonder the drinking age at the end of the 24th century, lol
@@sandrafaith Me2!!! In US its 21- right? In Australia and UK its 18. Meh- perhaps it was apple juice 😆
@@sableempire9654 Yep, 21 here. 19 in Canada I think. (Is it 16 in the UK for beer and cider, or did I dream that up?)
I loved Lt. Mura’s face through the whole episode. Without saying anything, his face told us how he felt about these “guests” leading them all to their doom.
I'm surprised you didn't mention the Picard Maneuver, when Riker gave Jean-luc command, he sat down in the captain's chair, and pulled down on his top, in a similar fashion to what he did during TNG.