I was thinking the same thing at the start of the video when he said he was getting sway. What?! Then I remembered he hadn't said he was using a WDH. Anything over 4K I am using a WDH.
GM had a two-mode hybrid back in like 2009. It had a 6.0 V8 with a four-speed auto that had two electric motors in the transmission housing. They did the mild hybrid in 2017 like Ram's 2019 eTorque.
The 2Mode Hybrid was available 2009 thru '13 only on the Tahoe, Yukon, & Escalade short WB. Talked to a GMC engineer trying to understand why the Silverado & Sierra Hybrids were only marketed in limited markets and never came with a 8' bed, which put me out of being a buyer. But I am looking for Escalade Hybrid, used of course, for my wife.
I have the 2009 Silverado crew cab 4WD with the 6.0 L V8 and 2-mode hybrid. Bought it used In 2010 and have put >120k miles on it. I still get 17-18 mpg in the city and 19-20 mpg on the highway. Get 12-14 mpg towing a fully loaded 6x12 2-axle box trailer on the interstate. It’s been a great truck for me, but I will be in the market for a replacement in the next year or two. I have a diesel SUV, so am considering a Chevy/GMC with the 3 L I6 diesel.
Though I appreciate the thought of towing at a lower speed, I find with my 23' tri-toon boat, my 3.0 really struggles and is maxed out throttle at 70 mph on the highway. I do want to be able to maneuver and have some throttle left when towing. That is why I am looking a the overall higher hp and tq on the power boost ford. Really want 3/4 ton diesel but boy is it hard to find a deal on those and any kind of decent financing. Thanks for the info and insight! Really appreciate the channel!
Tim that is similar to my trailer I tow with my Colorado 4 cyl diesel. Love the diesel no screaming motor even when pulling a heavy load. 13mpg with that load sounds about right for the 3.0 litre. The battery in the Ford with the twin turbo 3.5 is a great idea. Love all the power out back. But Ford should of put a lot more battery in the truck 1.5 KW is way to small. It should have been at least 5KW You feel it moving around because you should be using a weight distribution hitch with sway control.
False! Range Selection mode only can show you what gear you down shift to when say you are in 10th gear and you down shift to 9 or 8 etc. When starting from a stop you are always in first gear and the trans mission can go up to the gear you select but not any higher than the gear so in other words say you put the transmission at 6th gear. you start out in 1st gear and the transmission will go up to 6th but you have to push the plus button to go any higher.
Great video, I have a couple questions or comments though. It’s nice to see comparisons but why would we not compare diesels to diesels and gas to gas power trains? It would’ve been nice to see the Ford’s small powerstroke compared to the small duramax. Also, if we are going to be non-biased on reviews why don’t we mention the Silverado has the same trailer light check feature as the Ford. Conversely does the Ford have trailer data features you can plug into the infotainment system as the Silverado system contains? I enjoyed the video, keep up the good work.
The vehicle comparisons are really just based on what manufacturer loans I get each week. Sometimes the stars align and I get the perfect truck, but more often than not, I make do with what I get. And yes, good point on the Silverado trailer light check. I should have downloaded their app and played with it. I just happened to have more experience with the Ford app.
@@Pickuptrucktalk thanks for the reply. I enjoyed the work you put forth in the video, I just thought those were some points worth noting. So many times manufacturers will not advertise technology they have incorporated into models. Keep up the good work!
Hey Tim just FYI if you’re fairly computer savvy you can get Forscan (which is free) and a inexpensive wireless dongle then you can talk to the trucks ecm and for example turn off that double horn honk when you leave the truck with it on. I did that with my fusion the day I brought it home. It’s really easy to do. Plus there are other neat little Easter eggs that you can do as well. 😁
Tim... have you ever towed a 12k travel trailer with a half ton? Because anyone who does it long term or long distance isn't very smart. What us your thought?
@@Pickuptrucktalk i rode and drove with my neighbor who tows with his 5.7 2019 ram. While all these engines of all manufacturers can pull it with no power this thing was a dealth train with a cross wind @ about 10,500 Travel Trailer and using good sway bars. Anything with a high profile no way. Low profile with 12k... No problem. Lets also consider all these people who have no idea what they are doing and the dealer tells them,,, "Yep, it can tow 13,500lbs. "
Killed what? So if you're towing all the time why would you have a 1/2 Ton truck. So now when I go camping I have a 7200 watt generator at my fingertips and great fuel economy as well. Right now diesel is more expensive than gas so I'm definitely getting the truck with the built in generator. Full disclaimer I own a Ford F 150 and 2 Cummins Rams. I was very interested with the 3.0 duramax but the generator on the Ford is way better for me and my family.
A Tundra would tow that trailer with no problem LOL half these people that have RVs don't pay attention to that stuff anyway they just back it up hook it up and pull it away LOL
I won't contest the towing abilities of diesel engines as a general proposition. But here, the PowerBoost generates 570 lbs.ft. of torque which makes it such a great engine with which to tow. The GM straight 6 diesel engine, originally from Italy, only produces 460 lbs. ft. of torque. The GM engine might be smoother than the V6 from Ford, but the difference in torque permits the Powerboost to tow an additional 2,000 pounds. This one ton difference allows me to to buy and tow a medium size 5th wheel weighing 12,000 lbs. The GM diesel restricts me to a 9,300 lb. travel trailer or a small frame 5th wheel at best. Unless Ram, GM or Toyota come up with hybrid 6 cylinder turbos or V8s, without cylinder deactivation, (and with big battery generators), they all will be playing catch-up with Ford.
The Ford website states the power output of the Powerboost as the maximum output with a fully-charged battery. Do you know if this power is sustainable on a long hill climb in tow/haul mode? or does the system deplete the battery then just act like a normal Ecoboost and lose the extra hp and torque of the electric motor? Or is it possibly less because the Ecoboost in the hybrid has a lower output as is the case with the 3.3L in the Ford Explorer Hybrid.
If you do not know the functions of the controls in a truck, you should not be doing a comparison! You want to know what gear the truck is in when going up the hill, pull the shifter down one notch and it will go to the paddle shift mode and the gear will show in the dash!
The reason the Ford is so poor in towing MPG, has to do with the way the computer fuels and times the engine under boost. Because of low octane fuel, the ecu will fuel the engine really richly when under load, to prevent detonation. All these "eco turbo" gas engines, really are not "Eco", because whenever your right foot demands anything more than minimal power, out of necessity to prevent engine damage, the things really are gas hogs.
That's not my experience. I've had several V8s before I owned my 3.5 Ecoboost. Of course they burn more gas when the turbos spool up, and they will do so under just about any load, like you stated. But, I keep a close eye on MPGs as well as other details and I can say that overall the Ecoboost is still far more fuel efficient than any gas V8 I've ever owned or driven. The most obvious real world test for me, without any calculation or even looking at the truck's built-in MPG meter, is just how long I can go between fill ups. Quite often I just forget when my last stop at a station was. So yes, they burn more fuel under load, but still less, with the same driving habits, than a V8 in my experience.
I recently purchased the 2021 F150 H limited. I'm averaging about 23.4 mpg. My hwy speed is usually around 72 mph. And my city hwy split is usually around 5 city and 25 hwy. I thought about getting a diesel but cost per year on fuel + amenities/features made the f150 a no-brainer for me. Keep up the great videos!
Unless they’ve changed it, dropping the Chevy shifter into L gives you manual control and shows what gear you’re in. I find that having a diesel for towing has the additional advantage of being able to pull into a truck stop for fuel. Much easier to maneuver! Adding equalizer bars to that combination will put more weight back onto your front wheels and stability should improve.
Yes, GM'S trucks still have Range Selection mode that allow you to down shift from a higher gear when towing and select a gear you transmission can go up to and no further until you push the plus sign to go to the next gear.
Excellent comparison. Really appreciate actual trials like this. We call it Dry-Weight; when RV is stock from factory. If i were towing 50% of the time. I'd be in a Duramax otherwise I'd go F150 Hybrid. Love the idea i can use the truck as a small gen while dry-camping.
I like the Ford I think the 3.5 has proved a great engine it’s just thirsty I also like this inline diesel from GM the 13 mpg is about what I’ve seen from another guys video with his RV. and I like that because when your out on long distance trips such as cross country the more time I can stay on the road and less time fueling that’s a win win for me.
I like owning a $1,000 Honda generator that is reliable/easy to fix/able to buy a new one for $1,000 if it breaks rather than using my $65,000 truck as a generator...with that being said it’s definitely a very cool/convenient option for quick projects like using a power tool once in a while
Comparable honda generator is going to be $4,500. It's portable but super heavy and takes up a ton of room in your truck bed. It's also louder, can't run nearly as long without running out of fuel, and has its own fuel, oil, and battery to keep maintained. This Ford is a gamechanger and certainly the other manufacturers will copy it before long. The ford option is also only $750 on the hybrid. So the only advantage a honda portable would have is its more portable.
@@44beebe A. I would NEVER in my life pay $70,000 for a half ton pickup truck. (I’ll keep driving my $1,500 7.3 diesel until the economy falls apart due to inflation) B. 2 - $1,000 Honda eu2200 will produce comparable power, are light weight and designed for that specific application. Lastly you’re going to have to change the oil based on running hours whether it’s the pick up truck OR generator...
@@iBANGgears wow a $1,000 honda generator will produce 7,200 watts? lol. I guess you're referring to the hybrid generator that comes standard on all hybrid f-150s. You do know after rebates you can get the hybrid with 7200 watt generator for nearly $40,000 even in a crew cab 4x4? Andre at TFL truck preordered a crewcab hybrid with 7.2 kw generator with fx4 package and paid a little under $50k with no rebates. I regularly see 12-15k rebates in my area at certain times of the year. I'm not saying you should buy a $50,000 truck just for the generator option, but for all the people that already buy a new truck it's a great option to have. I know if I had it i'd be GLAD to get rid of my 4200 watt generator and use the truck instead.
Such a silly statement. If you lose inverter or even hybrid, you still have a Ecoboost , also as someone else stated , it’s 4500 for a comparable Honda, and you have to carry gas, and as an owner of one it’s louder, and you have a chance of it being stolen, and you have to carry it, and it’s massive. The inverter/hybrid system on the Ford is under warranty
I love TFL Truck, but man, you are rapidly becoming a contender in that space. Been following your Tundra vids, but then I get sucked into your other content. Well done bro!
The generator feature is definitely a game changer. Although I do have to note that my personal 3.0 duramax has zone lighting and also when you plug your trailer in it has the light check you can tap on the center screen as well the my chevy app you can do it as well. The RST you tested may not have had those options.
The generator is a game changer indeed, but lots of times one might leave the wife and kids with the camper for a day or two while you go and put in a shift at work or be gone from the campsite with the truck and there's no generator at the camper. Battery power gets you by for awhile, but for me, I'm ok with the portable generator.
What grade was the hill you went up in the Chevy? Purchased a 2021 Silverado 3 weeks ago. Great, Great fuel mileage on my daily drive. Unfortunately fuel just leaped in price. Very nice truck, Duramax, LTZ, Z71, Shadow Gray.
Takes a bit more driving with Ford. But if you would had switched to normal mode going down the hill. It would had went to electric and gotten lot better milage. The fuel cost should had been mentioned in your video also. So I'm saying ford should had won hands down. Extra features better fuel cost. Cost of upkeeping a diesel. In city with my powerboost I'm also getting MPG in 30s.
It’s that giant heavy ass battery under the back seat! Although the good thing about these beautiful and most wonderful hybrids with those giant, toxic material filled batteries aren’t harmful whatsoever to the environment. 🙄 In the meantime they better put some more emissions bullshit on diesel. I absolutely despise everything about that.
Love the hybrid/generator feature!!! Way to go Ford, now Ford engineers need to implement an onboard Air compressor, how handy would that be? Built in solar panel in sunroof for charging hybrid and truck batteries? I'll be expecting my commission check in the mail Ford motor company. Lol
Toyota has that option for the Prius. Since its an option that tells me it doesn't really help otherwise it would be standard. That said, I do know people who use portable solar panels on their travel trailer when in storage to keep the battery topped off.
I want a standard cab with an 8 foot bed. Neither of these trucks are available in that configuration with these powertrains. That makes these about a $20,000 option for me. Plus I wouldn't be happy with the truck with the limousine option and the half bed. I don't understand why manufacturers don't offer any engine in any cab and bed option.
Trailers in general were not/are not designed to be towed fast. The fastest I tow is 65, no matter what. I have only had one trailer tire failure and a vehicle flat when a stick punctured it in 20 years. The biggest issue is people want to drive balls out doing everything and then complain that stuff breaks or the don't get decent MPG's.
@@Bradimus1 right, all I’m saying is it’s nice to look down and see the transmission indicator go through gears. Not that I need it because I don’t know what I’m doing.
Just a little FYI. It’s a hell of a lot easier to measure to the wheel-well when measuring squat. No bending of tapes to try and get an accurate reading and even more importantly not scratching the paint!😂 Thank you for your reviews. Keep up the good work!
I went through this same dilemma and went with the Ford. There are pros and cons to each but for me the Ford won out. I did get the 7.2Kw generator and it's amazing. As far as fuel economy, the only offset there is the fuel cost difference and maintenance difference. The good thing is you can't go wrong with either one.
Yup, im a Ford Employee and it pisses me off Ford frigging plays games with shit like that. In 2020 you coulndt even get Electronic climate control in a fully loaded XLT at 53k. You had to buy a Lariet, at least now the XLT has in in 2021.
So you took a Chevy with a Duramax which is an Isuzu it's not even a Chevrolet engine you put it up against a Ford Gasser and that is all Ford including the engine.. ask anybody when it comes to pulling trailers the diesels are better than a gas or specially on hills so people are saying the Chevy's better well it's the Isuzu that's better cuz it's not a Chevrolet engine under the hood. Go put a Chevy 3 l Gasser up against that EcoBoost and then you'll cry that Ford will walk all over it
Great video Tim! The only thing I would add would be the difference between regular gas and diesel prices and coming up with some type of fuel equalizer program to give viewers a better picture of the actual cost to run each vehicle.
Are they going to make a powerboost in the F250? I want the capability of an F250 but I want the 7Kw generator too. I think the powerboost has all the motor I need I just want to pull 12,000 lbs safely. And I want that generator too!
Weight difference.... Inline block has less metal. 1/2 the cams, but more crank weight. The real difference is the weight of the electric generator. Check the weight on an identical f150 minus the hybrid system. You might be surprised. Good comparison and no surprises here.
That generator feature on the Ford really opens up the possibilities. It makes the truck just that much more useable. I’m sure everyone will be adding similar features soon. I’d take the power feature over the slightly better mileage though.
Same. The generator is just so functional in so many ways, and I only tow my travel trailer occasionally so minimal differences in fuel economy are negligible
The Hybrid system is way too small on the F-150 PowerBoost to be helpful under load, so it makes sense that Ford would have it disabled during towing. With only 1.5kW capacity in the battery, it would be depleted almost immediately when towing, and the constant high power draw and likely high power return going downhill would be very hard on the system. PowerBoost will give best results in city driving. And I love the 7.2kW option! I wonder if the competition will start making this available on their trucks?
Yeah that is where the hybrid shines. Getting the truck moving, where it would consume more fuel. The slowly adding it back. Keeping it at speed consumes way less fuel.
Reports are the new Tundra will be a TT V6 with a hybrid system. Unsure if reports are true but I am curious what a hybrid Tundra will have for power, gas mileage, etc.. Guess we will find out towards the end of this year
@@lc7917 I think the effectiveness of trucks with hybrid systems will be driven mostly by battery prices and availability. I think Ford chose such a small battery capacity due to having to find enough batteries to provide for their most popular vehicle. It will be very interesting to see what Toyota does! I hope they do a Prime system with big battery capacity, like the latest Rav4.
I owned the chevy duramax 3.0 2020 bad thing was it used 2 quarts of oil every 700 miles towing and 3 gallons of Def. And the oil you can only buy from GM at 12$ a quart so traded it for the 21 Ford Limited PowerBoost not as good on fuel but don't have buy oil and Def.
I struggle with this too in my 3.0. I am looking at powerboost and 6.2 gm. So hard to wrap my mind around having to carry 2 boxes of Def and 4 quarts of oil with me when towing. I mean, I want to feel like a kid again and go back to 1983, but not in this way. We always had a couple of quarts of oil in our pickups back then. Not the trip back in time I am wanting.
So, 13MPG with the Chevy. And, 7.4 MPG with the Ford. But, the end of the video, you sounded like two politions trying to let the other guy kiss the baby with the Stinky diaper! lol.. "But, the Fords generator will charge my electric shaver, while I'm doing this test. You know, I think that is pretty nice." How about a test of a 1/2 ton Ford diesel against a 1/2 ton Chevy diesel? That would be "apples to apples." Thank-you...
Ford because it's new, no deals for a while more than likely! vs like $10k to $11k off on the Chevy maybe even more. That's like $15k+ in your pocket with discount and MSRP difference!! That buys a boat load of overpriced diesel ⛽ and def fluid. Tough choice if updated interior is a must and the other cool features. Honestly, I think I would go Chevy all day Long, With that much of a cost difference!!!
I tried to get a heavier trailer, but couldn't at the last minute due to the wind storms causing a rancher to need it instead. I'll have a heavier one in the future with the Ford. The Chevy went back today.
That trailer is light. Small potatoes... any truck now a days can easily tow that with reasonable stability. Try 7500lbs empty and that would be a really good test and on a side windy day. 😄😄
GM offered a full hybrid in the Taho and Silverado in the late 2000's and they did not sale well so they stopped making them. They were not mild hybrids either. They were an expensive option though that kept many from buying them.
@@Pickuptrucktalk ...Tim, they had a regular 2-mode hybrid that had the 4 speed 6.0 v8 which offered 20 mpg city/ 23 hwy mpg versus 13 mpg city/ 18 hwy mpg for the regular version. Debut was I believe in 2007 but I could be mistaken. GM also had a mild hybrid e-assist belt alternator-starter option in 2016 which was offered with the 8 speed 5.3 v8. Fuel economy was 18 city & 24 hwy & 20 combined. Regenerative braking, stop/start, electric power boost along with a compact lithium ion battery as part of the system.
So right out you save 5-7 k on the diesel probably 10 k. After rebates.. and 50% in fuel ⛽️ vs the hybrid ford ..its Chevrolet duramax all day for me !!
Just recently switched from an ecoboost to the 3.0 duramax. Had the cam phasers go out twice in six years on the ecoboost. Loving the duramax so far. Great fuel economy, towing power and smooth ride
Agreed. Travel trailers seem to have a weird size/weight ratio that make them especially twitchy. Also nice to see a trailer weight that doesn’t require a weight distribution hitch. For a change of pace.
If I was going to do a lot of boondocking or even mountain camping in the national parks where it can dip to just above freezing in the middle of summer, the ford would be my choice. RV generators are currently in the Jurassic era. Noisy, inefficient, expensive to buy and worse to fix. They have to be run monthly at least 1/2 hour or they will just die and have to be repaired. The hourly rate to fix generators is as high as $250/hr.
I wonder what would happen to "boost" level if you put shifting mode into manual and drop it a gear down from what truck has chosen to see if possible to gain some mpg while towing. What damage would towing in eco mode do to truck? Overheat electric motor, burn transmission overdrive components, etc? I'm sure you could use eco or normal with a under 1,000 lb trailer without damage. Thats like a full cab load of well fed relatives....lol
I like both these trucks from Ford and Chevy with newer engine technologies, but at the end of the day my 1/2 ton needs to confidently & safely pull my 9,500lb loaded trailer. Chevys not equipped to do so from what it sounds like at 9000-9500lbs? My 3.5L ecoboost tows this trailer phenomenally well. Just finishing a 2000mile trip through the northwest & through Yellowstone in 90-105 degree weather, pulling multiple steep grades, and pulling 70-74 on the freeways, and averaged 10mpg overall. Equipped with air bags on my truck, and 10 ply tires on both truck and trailer. As much as I like chevy’s 3.OL diesel, I don’t like the lower max tow rating that I’ve heard about a few times now. Is this really the max tow rating?
my 3.0 feels guttless when towing my high sitting tri-toon in any wind and up hills. Maxed out throttle. I cannot imagine hauling a 9500 lb travel trailer in it. You would need a gallon of oil and a box or two of def to make a 2000-mile trip. LOL!!! Looking at more powerful options. This is not a full pulling power had diesel by any stretch. Great commuter. Pulling on backroads? Yes!! Pulling on the interstate? No thanks!
A diesel will always win hands down when it comes to towing, torque rules the towing world ! You purchase a truck for the purpose and job you need it to do !1 Lol
I wonder why they don’t offer the diesel with the max tow package? I understand due to weight it can’t tow as much as the 6.2L but seems like they could offer the package to get heavier payload, vertical tow mirrors and still keep the safety options.
The problem with the Ford is that it has less weight capacity then the Chevy. You can basically never tow more than the Chevy due to that. The hitch weight of that trailer is probably close to 600 lbs empty. I really like the idea of having a built in generator on the Ford though. You could power much of a home with your truck in an emergency.
@@monkeywkeys3916 I just had to sell my 2018 3.5 EB back to the dealer. Always in the shop with a new issue, real pile of shit. Just bought a 2021 GMC Sierra 1500 with the duramax, let's hope this one is better.
gm 3.0 diesel.isnt that the engine where you have to seperate the engine & trans to replace the timing belt every 150k miles? what kind of bozo engineering does gm specialize in by putting a timing BELT on a diesel.then charge you a ridiculus price for it to boot.i think gm needs to expand their drug testing in the engineering department & the boardroom.
2008 Toyota Tundra 5.7 4wd. I have been towing my 35’ 10k lbs. keystone outback RV for a couple of years now and at this time my Tundra has 207k miles on it. No problems at all. The only thing I added to the truck was KYB rear shocks and installed a add-a-leaf spring.
My 2018 trunda with the 5.7 towing a 33 forest river alpha wolf 27 rkl travel trailer gets between 9and 9.5 and that's towing normal ,no racing around,,just driving,,, tt weights 6550 empty
Every brand, I’ve had multiple ford and chevy and a Dodge. The Fords were all good I did have some electric issues on one but not bad. The dodge basic nuisance stuff nothing bad. The Chevys same basic electric issues nothing major. I’ve had three of the 5.3l all perfect on fuel, multiple displacement, reliability. The oldest 5.3 2007 had limp mode at 174,000 several times, discovered a dirty throttle body cleaned it and perfect again. Of course my 1994 5.7l 5speed bulldog excellent old truck, my 1987 4.3l excellent truck, and my moms 2005 k2500 6.0 great engine electrical pain as far as instruments. Brother in laws 2005 k3500 duramax also excellent truck. I guess either you’re a perfectionist or you just weren’t living right lol very company has lemons and it seems like the same people get them
The Ford generator thing is nice, but not enough for me to sacrifice fuel economy when towing. I carry a small generator anyway when boondocking. Give me the 3.0.l
@@Pickuptrucktalk Yeah I saw that. But I meant I would take the Duramax. I am waiting on the new Tundra before I buy something. My 2010 Tundra was totaled a couple years ago. I loved that truck, except the for the MPG.
You would be crazy pulling a 12000 lb trailer with a 1/2 ton truck and yes my company truck is a Ford 1/2 ton v6 twin turbo. Just more electronic shit to go bad.I personally would take the diesel any day.
At the price of these trucks they both should be diesel hybrids. $60k for these trucks is insane.. I can see this whole system falling with housing being 300k for a tiny shit and the price of these trucks is too expensive for most Americans to afford safely.
WDH with anti-sway bars. It’s nice that the truck has sway control, but use known tech (WDH) to reduce squat and add sway control. When the big rig passes and blows the trailer tail, you’ll thank yourself for the hitch anti-sway as it cuts the effect of truck gusts by at least two thirds. On mpg and back seat towing, I was impressed by the TT EcoBoost pulling the hill only at 2000 rpm. But heavy in the boost is harder on fuel with a gas motor. Thank for the side by side comparison!!
I think the generator is a cool idea and for sure handy but it won't change the construction industry or camping. Most of the time on an industrial or commercial site you can't even get close to the work. You may even be parked in a remote parking spot. On a residential site you may be lucky to get near by street parking so now what? Run 200' of cord? Plus if your powering a couple guys on the tools and have to run out, everyone is down. Camping would be handy but personally a portable Honda put far away in the bush or behind a wood pile is far more convenient. They come in many sizes and are quite affordable. Don't get me wrong I would tick the option box if I was buying one but I would not be a decision maker for me. A portable generator is way more versatile.
I tow my travel trailer maybe 20 days a year, I drive my truck 365 days a year. I'll take the day-to-day driving performance of the powerboost for all the time I'm not towing and suffer the lower gas mileage on those days when I am towing, plus I don't have to drag my generator with me when I'm camping off the grid.
On them GM trucks the shifter must be in M (manual mode) in order to use the tap up/down buttons to see that gear number on the display, my RAM (2012 1500 column shifter) doesn't have the M on the dash but while in D you can tap the button on the shifter to display what gear your transmission in, the GM feature is more superior than that on my RAM plus the tow/haul mode button is integrated on the tip-end of the shifter while the RAM one is on the dash.
Warning check your ability to stop while compairing half tons and towing or just driving. One of my 34 chevies braked really well. My 89 1500 chevy only braked well with abs disengaged in 4 wheel drive for that modle year. Newer ones braked poorly...dealer said live with it. My 2010 XTR ford came equipped with real brakes just like the 2006 34 chev and felt safe letting the kids and wife use it
Who towed better was the title not who has fun gadgets. The Silverado towed better with vastly better fuel economy. I've towed with an ecoboost before and the mpg more than doubled. My trip budget went down the shitter...never again. The 3.0 has my vote all the way
Most trailer tires are rated 65 mph maximum speed. States have their own speed limits for trailer towing. Most are 60 or 65 mph. You have to check each states towing laws. They also have laws regarding trailer tow mirrors too. I tow at 60 mph everywhere on the highways except in construction zones. I've towed with 1/2 ton F150 and 2500 GMC Savana van. The 3/4 ton is always better in high winds because of the load range E van tires vs P rated 1/2 ton radials. Much stiffer sidewalls at 80 psi inflation.
Make sure you check out our empty truck 100 mile loop test as well: th-cam.com/video/XCsS3QPxcGU/w-d-xo.html
With a trailer that size on a half ton pickup you should really use weight distribution and sway control. That explains your sway over 60mph.
Speeding with a trailer isn’t a problem :)
I was thinking the same thing at the start of the video when he said he was getting sway. What?! Then I remembered he hadn't said he was using a WDH. Anything over 4K I am using a WDH.
@@bookooc5605 WDH? What do you recommend?
GM had a two-mode hybrid back in like 2009. It had a 6.0 V8 with a four-speed auto that had two electric motors in the transmission housing. They did the mild hybrid in 2017 like Ram's 2019 eTorque.
The 2Mode Hybrid was available 2009 thru '13 only on the Tahoe, Yukon, & Escalade short WB. Talked to a GMC engineer trying to understand why the Silverado & Sierra Hybrids were only marketed in limited markets and never came with a 8' bed, which put me out of being a buyer. But I am looking for Escalade Hybrid, used of course, for my wife.
I have the 2009 Silverado crew cab 4WD with the 6.0 L V8 and 2-mode hybrid. Bought it used In 2010 and have put >120k miles on it. I still get 17-18 mpg in the city and 19-20 mpg on the highway. Get 12-14 mpg towing a fully loaded 6x12 2-axle box trailer on the interstate. It’s been a great truck for me, but I will be in the market for a replacement in the next year or two. I have a diesel SUV, so am considering a Chevy/GMC with the 3 L I6 diesel.
Though I appreciate the thought of towing at a lower speed, I find with my 23' tri-toon boat, my 3.0 really struggles and is maxed out throttle at 70 mph on the highway. I do want to be able to maneuver and have some throttle left when towing. That is why I am looking a the overall higher hp and tq on the power boost ford. Really want 3/4 ton diesel but boy is it hard to find a deal on those and any kind of decent financing. Thanks for the info and insight! Really appreciate the channel!
Tim that is similar to my trailer I tow with my Colorado 4 cyl diesel. Love the diesel no screaming motor even when pulling a heavy load.
13mpg with that load sounds about right for the 3.0 litre.
The battery in the Ford with the twin turbo 3.5 is a great idea. Love all the power out back.
But Ford should of put a lot more battery in the truck 1.5 KW is way to small. It should have been at least 5KW
You feel it moving around because you should be using a weight distribution hitch with sway control.
Great comparison. Results are exactly as expected.
I have the 2020 sierra. You have to shift into the L on the column to use the manual shifting and it does tell you what gear you're in.
False! Range Selection mode only can show you what gear you down shift to when say you are in 10th gear and you down shift to 9 or 8 etc. When starting from a stop you are always in first gear and the trans mission can go up to the gear you select but not any higher than the gear so in other words say you put the transmission at 6th gear. you start out in 1st gear and the transmission will go up to 6th but you have to push the plus button to go any higher.
Got a 21 gmc AT4 ecodiesel. And my God I love this truck
Great video, I have a couple questions or comments though. It’s nice to see comparisons but why would we not compare diesels to diesels and gas to gas power trains? It would’ve been nice to see the Ford’s small powerstroke compared to the small duramax. Also, if we are going to be non-biased on reviews why don’t we mention the Silverado has the same trailer light check feature as the Ford. Conversely does the Ford have trailer data features you can plug into the infotainment system as the Silverado system contains? I enjoyed the video, keep up the good work.
The vehicle comparisons are really just based on what manufacturer loans I get each week. Sometimes the stars align and I get the perfect truck, but more often than not, I make do with what I get.
And yes, good point on the Silverado trailer light check. I should have downloaded their app and played with it. I just happened to have more experience with the Ford app.
@@Pickuptrucktalk thanks for the reply. I enjoyed the work you put forth in the video, I just thought those were some points worth noting. So many times manufacturers will not advertise technology they have incorporated into models. Keep up the good work!
We want the best of both combined
Hey Tim just FYI if you’re fairly computer savvy you can get Forscan (which is free) and a inexpensive wireless dongle then you can talk to the trucks ecm and for example turn off that double horn honk when you leave the truck with it on. I did that with my fusion the day I brought it home. It’s really easy to do. Plus there are other neat little Easter eggs that you can do as well. 😁
Actually, I like the beep. It is such a quiet truck, it reminds me I left it on and I need that!
Tim... have you ever towed a 12k travel trailer with a half ton? Because anyone who does it long term or long distance isn't very smart. What us your thought?
My thought? I’d NEVER tow that much with a half-ton.
@@Pickuptrucktalk i rode and drove with my neighbor who tows with his 5.7 2019 ram. While all these engines of all manufacturers can pull it with no power this thing was a dealth train with a cross wind @ about 10,500 Travel Trailer and using good sway bars. Anything with a high profile no way. Low profile with 12k... No problem. Lets also consider all these people who have no idea what they are doing and the dealer tells them,,, "Yep, it can tow 13,500lbs. "
@@Pickuptrucktalk that might make a good discussion video from your end. Or get a engineer from a manufactuer to discuss it
Seems easy. The 3.0L killed it.
Killed what? So if you're towing all the time why would you have a 1/2 Ton truck. So now when I go camping I have a 7200 watt generator at my fingertips and great fuel economy as well. Right now diesel is more expensive than gas so I'm definitely getting the truck with the built in generator. Full disclaimer I own a Ford F 150 and 2 Cummins Rams. I was very interested with the 3.0 duramax but the generator on the Ford is way better for me and my family.
A Tundra would tow that trailer with no problem LOL half these people that have RVs don't pay attention to that stuff anyway they just back it up hook it up and pull it away LOL
If you have a RV you are better off with a HD truck.
Ford make a diesel power boost.
Great video
Thanks.
Tim, on the GM trucks, you can see what gear you are in by shifting into L and then it’ll tell you, kind of dumb.
Thanks. Btw, I was in tow haul the whole time.
Sorry, I missed the tiny little trailer icon.
@@wwjoestarr no worries and you aren’t alone. Maybe I should have pointed it out better frankly.
I won't contest the towing abilities of diesel engines as a general proposition. But here, the PowerBoost generates 570 lbs.ft. of torque which makes it such a great engine with which to tow. The GM straight 6 diesel engine, originally from Italy, only produces 460 lbs. ft. of torque. The GM engine might be smoother than the V6 from Ford, but the difference in torque permits the Powerboost to tow an additional 2,000 pounds. This one ton difference allows me to to buy and tow a medium size 5th wheel weighing 12,000 lbs. The GM diesel restricts me to a 9,300 lb. travel trailer or a small frame 5th wheel at best. Unless Ram, GM or Toyota come up with hybrid 6 cylinder turbos or V8s, without cylinder deactivation, (and with big battery generators), they all will be playing catch-up with Ford.
Any one towing any where near 12,000lbs with a half ton is foolish!
what model is the grand design trailer......
If they would just put power boost on 3.0 diesels and full size diesel trucks it would be a wrap….
Why does everybody need to know what gear they are in, its an automatic, just drive it.
Obviously you are a flatlander who rolls over a trailer in the mountains.
I know everything my truck is doing, I can tell if my truck needs to be checked before something goes wrong. The gear and gages tell you everything.
@@mikemerrill175 I would buy a manual in a New York second if there was one available.
The Ford website states the power output of the Powerboost as the maximum output with a fully-charged battery. Do you know if this power is sustainable on a long hill climb in tow/haul mode? or does the system deplete the battery then just act like a normal Ecoboost and lose the extra hp and torque of the electric motor? Or is it possibly less because the Ecoboost in the hybrid has a lower output as is the case with the 3.3L in the Ford Explorer Hybrid.
Is the gauge 2nd to the right on the top row in the Ford for the trans temp? Looked to be halfway on the trip.
That's the boost gauge.
If you do not know the functions of the controls in a truck, you should not be doing a comparison! You want to know what gear the truck is in when going up the hill, pull the shifter down one notch and it will go to the paddle shift mode and the gear will show in the dash!
Cant you just leave the deisel idle and use the inverter and dc plugs in the car of the duramax?
Sure.
Thanks , next question. On my Hybrids (Toyota’s ) you have an idea when the hybrid is on . Can you drive in the city where the Hybrid shines .
My city is like 2 stop lights. LOL. Someday, I might drive to Denver and do a day trip.
Did the boost gauge shut off or was is not needing any up the hill? It looked like zero boost when it down shifted and went to 3000rpm.
Boost gauge was on the whole time.
@@Pickuptrucktalk I see it now. I think when the camera was zoomed out I was looking in between the gages or something.
The reason the Ford is so poor in towing MPG, has to do with the way the computer fuels and times the engine under boost. Because of low octane fuel, the ecu will fuel the engine really richly when under load, to prevent detonation. All these "eco turbo" gas engines, really are not "Eco", because whenever your right foot demands anything more than minimal power, out of necessity to prevent engine damage, the things really are gas hogs.
That's not my experience. I've had several V8s before I owned my 3.5 Ecoboost. Of course they burn more gas when the turbos spool up, and they will do so under just about any load, like you stated. But, I keep a close eye on MPGs as well as other details and I can say that overall the Ecoboost is still far more fuel efficient than any gas V8 I've ever owned or driven. The most obvious real world test for me, without any calculation or even looking at the truck's built-in MPG meter, is just how long I can go between fill ups. Quite often I just forget when my last stop at a station was. So yes, they burn more fuel under load, but still less, with the same driving habits, than a V8 in my experience.
@@CajunRulez Here's where I got my info; look at his 4 th reason, @ about 6:30 th-cam.com/video/m2qExaEwn0g/w-d-xo.html
Why don't they just make a diesel hybrid?
Price.
@@Pickuptrucktalk they already cost 80k a little more isn't going to matter for someone who wants one
I get better mpg with my 2000 Ford 7.3 then both trucks towing 6000 lb trailer I'll save my money
Where's the diesel hybrid eh?
In Europe. They are trying to get it to work right.
Long live diesels, were are the hybrid diesels?? 40mpg +..
Shhh they don’t want you to know
If you drive 100k miles a year or tow heavy a lot then a diesel starts to make sense. Otherwise save the money go gas.
@@victoryrider I do do that
A hybrid diesel would be too costly for most people. Plus they have a large overlap in use case which makes them less desirable to pair.
@@vhateverlie But just imagine the torque probably double that of current hybrid systems and double mpg ratings.
I recently purchased the 2021 F150 H limited. I'm averaging about 23.4 mpg. My hwy speed is usually around 72 mph. And my city hwy split is usually around 5 city and 25 hwy. I thought about getting a diesel but cost per year on fuel + amenities/features made the f150 a no-brainer for me.
Keep up the great videos!
Unless they’ve changed it, dropping the Chevy shifter into L gives you manual control and shows what gear you’re in.
I find that having a diesel for towing has the additional advantage of being able to pull into a truck stop for fuel. Much easier to maneuver!
Adding equalizer bars to that combination will put more weight back onto your front wheels and stability should improve.
Yes, GM'S trucks still have Range Selection mode that allow you to down shift from a higher gear when towing and select a gear you transmission can go up to and no further until you push the plus sign to go to the next gear.
Excellent comparison. Really appreciate actual trials like this. We call it Dry-Weight; when RV is stock from factory. If i were towing 50% of the time. I'd be in a Duramax otherwise I'd go F150 Hybrid. Love the idea i can use the truck as a small gen while dry-camping.
Small generator?
I like the Ford I think the 3.5 has proved a great engine it’s just thirsty I also like this inline diesel from GM the 13 mpg is about what I’ve seen from another guys video with his RV. and I like that because when your out on long distance trips such as cross country the more time I can stay on the road and less time fueling that’s a win win for me.
Fueling the Chevy at truckstops when towing is an added benefit, especially in congested urban areas.
I like owning a $1,000 Honda generator that is reliable/easy to fix/able to buy a new one for $1,000 if it breaks rather than using my $65,000 truck as a generator...with that being said it’s definitely a very cool/convenient option for quick projects like using a power tool once in a while
That generator does not give you near the power of the truck tho
Comparable honda generator is going to be $4,500. It's portable but super heavy and takes up a ton of room in your truck bed. It's also louder, can't run nearly as long without running out of fuel, and has its own fuel, oil, and battery to keep maintained. This Ford is a gamechanger and certainly the other manufacturers will copy it before long. The ford option is also only $750 on the hybrid. So the only advantage a honda portable would have is its more portable.
@@44beebe A. I would NEVER in my life pay $70,000 for a half ton pickup truck. (I’ll keep driving my $1,500 7.3 diesel until the economy falls apart due to inflation) B. 2 - $1,000 Honda eu2200 will produce comparable power, are light weight and designed for that specific application. Lastly you’re going to have to change the oil based on running hours whether it’s the pick up truck OR generator...
@@iBANGgears wow a $1,000 honda generator will produce 7,200 watts? lol. I guess you're referring to the hybrid generator that comes standard on all hybrid f-150s. You do know after rebates you can get the hybrid with 7200 watt generator for nearly $40,000 even in a crew cab 4x4? Andre at TFL truck preordered a crewcab hybrid with 7.2 kw generator with fx4 package and paid a little under $50k with no rebates. I regularly see 12-15k rebates in my area at certain times of the year. I'm not saying you should buy a $50,000 truck just for the generator option, but for all the people that already buy a new truck it's a great option to have. I know if I had it i'd be GLAD to get rid of my 4200 watt generator and use the truck instead.
Such a silly statement. If you lose inverter or even hybrid, you still have a Ecoboost , also as someone else stated , it’s 4500 for a comparable Honda, and you have to carry gas, and as an owner of one it’s louder, and you have a chance of it being stolen, and you have to carry it, and it’s massive. The inverter/hybrid system on the Ford is under warranty
Great job,, Tim! I ordered my F150 back in November and am still waiting for the build to be scheduled. Keep the awesome videos coming!
I love TFL Truck, but man, you are rapidly becoming a contender in that space. Been following your Tundra vids, but then I get sucked into your other content. Well done bro!
The generator feature is definitely a game changer. Although I do have to note that my personal 3.0 duramax has zone lighting and also when you plug your trailer in it has the light check you can tap on the center screen as well the my chevy app you can do it as well. The RST you tested may not have had those options.
The generator is a game changer indeed, but lots of times one might leave the wife and kids with the camper for a day or two while you go and put in a shift at work or be gone from the campsite with the truck and there's no generator at the camper. Battery power gets you by for awhile, but for me, I'm ok with the portable generator.
@@danman5857 I didn't think about that. Hmm
@@danman5857 that's what batteries are for, cheap batteries that you can charge with the generator or the solar for when youre gone.
@@danman5857 exactly the little hondas can be used everywhere and dont steal your payload.
The truest statement ever uttered for a turbocharged gas engine: "You can have the eco, or you can have the boost- you can't have both."
What grade was the hill you went up in the Chevy?
Purchased a 2021 Silverado 3 weeks ago. Great, Great fuel mileage on my daily drive. Unfortunately fuel just leaped in price. Very nice truck, Duramax, LTZ, Z71, Shadow Gray.
Pull the shift lever to L and it will show the gear you're in. You can shift manually then, too!
Takes a bit more driving with Ford. But if you would had switched to normal mode going down the hill. It would had went to electric and gotten lot better milage. The fuel cost should had been mentioned in your video also.
So I'm saying ford should had won hands down. Extra features better fuel cost. Cost of upkeeping a diesel. In city with my powerboost I'm also getting MPG in 30s.
Wow, didn’t expect the Chevy with diesel to be 400 lbs lighter than the Ford with the power boost.
It’s that giant heavy ass battery under the back seat! Although the good thing about these beautiful and most wonderful hybrids with those giant, toxic material filled batteries aren’t harmful whatsoever to the environment. 🙄 In the meantime they better put some more emissions bullshit on diesel. I absolutely despise everything about that.
Love the hybrid/generator feature!!! Way to go Ford, now Ford engineers need to implement an onboard Air compressor, how handy would that be? Built in solar panel in sunroof for charging hybrid and truck batteries? I'll be expecting my commission check in the mail Ford motor company. Lol
So far solar panels on vehicles haven't worked out well for MPG gains versus the additional weight.
@@Pickuptrucktalk yeah, I heard Elon Musk mention it today on Joe Rogan that even in the perfect conditions you would maybe gain 10 miles a day.
Toyota has that option for the Prius. Since its an option that tells me it doesn't really help otherwise it would be standard. That said, I do know people who use portable solar panels on their travel trailer when in storage to keep the battery topped off.
I want a standard cab with an 8 foot bed. Neither of these trucks are available in that configuration with these powertrains. That makes these about a $20,000 option for me. Plus I wouldn't be happy with the truck with the limousine option and the half bed. I don't understand why manufacturers don't offer any engine in any cab and bed option.
True. I'm a standard cab 8 ft bed guy as well. Well as least you can get a v8.
Trailers in general were not/are not designed to be towed fast. The fastest I tow is 65, no matter what. I have only had one trailer tire failure and a vehicle flat when a stick punctured it in 20 years. The biggest issue is people want to drive balls out doing everything and then complain that stuff breaks or the don't get decent MPG's.
Agreed. I got this trailer up to 65, but with the wind, I slowed down. Better to be driving safely IMO.
A person with commonsense thankyou
Agreed. Be interesting to know how much wind impact increases with 65 vs 60 but I know from experience it’s noticeable nonetheless
Don’t like not knowing what gear you’re currently in or what your transmission is doing. I like how your Ford has that.
Move the shifter from drive to L and you’ll see your gears
@@CarlosGonzales-we6ty yeah always ways to do it but just like how the Ford has it all the time.
That’s why you get a manual transmission, you can feel what it’s doing
I have the feature but all you need is RPMs and speed. What gear the auto is in is not helping me make any decisions.
@@Bradimus1 right, all I’m saying is it’s nice to look down and see the transmission indicator go through gears. Not that I need it because I don’t know what I’m doing.
LOL ... I believe when Ford says “Best in Class!” ... They really try. ... Except for that Ford Raptor exhaust issue. 🙃
You talking about the Gen 1? 😂
Pulling a 5th wheel with the ford I would not even feel the trailer behind me doing 75mph
Just a little FYI. It’s a hell of a lot easier to measure to the wheel-well when measuring squat. No bending of tapes to try and get an accurate reading and even more importantly not scratching the paint!😂 Thank you for your reviews. Keep up the good work!
I went through this same dilemma and went with the Ford. There are pros and cons to each but for me the Ford won out. I did get the 7.2Kw generator and it's amazing. As far as fuel economy, the only offset there is the fuel cost difference and maintenance difference. The good thing is you can't go wrong with either one.
Max towing package on the Ford without towing mirrors...?
Yup, im a Ford Employee and it pisses me off Ford frigging plays games with shit like that.
In 2020 you coulndt even get Electronic climate control in a fully loaded XLT at 53k. You had to buy a Lariet, at least now the XLT has in in 2021.
So you took a Chevy with a Duramax which is an Isuzu it's not even a Chevrolet engine you put it up against a Ford Gasser and that is all Ford including the engine.. ask anybody when it comes to pulling trailers the diesels are better than a gas or specially on hills so people are saying the Chevy's better well it's the Isuzu that's better cuz it's not a Chevrolet engine under the hood. Go put a Chevy 3 l Gasser up against that EcoBoost and then you'll cry that Ford will walk all over it
Great video Tim! The only thing I would add would be the difference between regular gas and diesel prices and coming up with some type of fuel equalizer program to give viewers a better picture of the actual cost to run each vehicle.
Too many variables really for a straight comparison.
Are they going to make a powerboost in the F250? I want the capability of an F250 but I want the 7Kw generator too. I think the powerboost has all the motor I need I just want to pull 12,000 lbs safely. And I want that generator too!
I just bought an f150 powerboost and mine is rated for 13900 with the towing package so you should be all set.
Thanks for the video. Good comparison. F150 better truck for everyday use it seems. If you tow frequently the diesel would be the way to go.
Hmmm..... 87 octane in an Ecoboost? Not the route I would go. To each there own.
Weight difference....
Inline block has less metal. 1/2 the cams, but more crank weight. The real difference is the weight of the electric generator. Check the weight on an identical f150 minus the hybrid system. You might be surprised. Good comparison and no surprises here.
The energy density of a gallon of diesel is much higher than a gallon of gasoline. This is an objective fact that will always favour a diesel engine.
That generator feature on the Ford really opens up the possibilities. It makes the truck just that much more useable. I’m sure everyone will be adding similar features soon. I’d take the power feature over the slightly better mileage though.
Same. The generator is just so functional in so many ways, and I only tow my travel trailer occasionally so minimal differences in fuel economy are negligible
Why the hell was the Silverado only running at 25psi oil pressure? That’s super low
The Hybrid system is way too small on the F-150 PowerBoost to be helpful under load, so it makes sense that Ford would have it disabled during towing. With only 1.5kW capacity in the battery, it would be depleted almost immediately when towing, and the constant high power draw and likely high power return going downhill would be very hard on the system.
PowerBoost will give best results in city driving. And I love the 7.2kW option! I wonder if the competition will start making this available on their trucks?
Yeah that is where the hybrid shines. Getting the truck moving, where it would consume more fuel. The slowly adding it back. Keeping it at speed consumes way less fuel.
Reports are the new Tundra will be a TT V6 with a hybrid system. Unsure if reports are true but I am curious what a hybrid Tundra will have for power, gas mileage, etc.. Guess we will find out towards the end of this year
@@lc7917 I think the effectiveness of trucks with hybrid systems will be driven mostly by battery prices and availability. I think Ford chose such a small battery capacity due to having to find enough batteries to provide for their most popular vehicle. It will be very interesting to see what Toyota does! I hope they do a Prime system with big battery capacity, like the latest Rav4.
Did anyone notice the oil pressure gauge on the Chevy? Is that normal for a diesel?
It has a variable displacement oil pump so the oil pressure will fluctuate more than normal
I owned the chevy duramax 3.0 2020 bad thing was it used 2 quarts of oil every 700 miles towing and 3 gallons of Def. And the oil you can only buy from GM at 12$ a quart so traded it for the 21 Ford Limited PowerBoost not as good on fuel but don't have buy oil and Def.
I struggle with this too in my 3.0. I am looking at powerboost and 6.2 gm. So hard to wrap my mind around having to carry 2 boxes of Def and 4 quarts of oil with me when towing. I mean, I want to feel like a kid again and go back to 1983, but not in this way. We always had a couple of quarts of oil in our pickups back then. Not the trip back in time I am wanting.
So, 13MPG with the Chevy. And, 7.4 MPG with the Ford. But, the end of the video, you sounded like two politions trying to let the other guy kiss the baby with the Stinky diaper! lol.. "But, the Fords generator will charge my electric shaver, while I'm doing this test. You know, I think that is pretty nice." How about a test of a 1/2 ton Ford diesel against a 1/2 ton Chevy diesel? That would be "apples to apples." Thank-you...
Extremely difficult to get both those trucks together for a video.
Ford because it's new, no deals for a while more than likely! vs like $10k to $11k off on the Chevy maybe even more. That's like $15k+ in your pocket with discount and MSRP difference!! That buys a boat load of overpriced diesel ⛽ and def fluid. Tough choice if updated interior is a must and the other cool features. Honestly, I think I would go Chevy all day Long, With that much of a cost difference!!!
Even more so when you can pay less per gallon than 87 octane like I am usually able to in my area.
Wish it was closer to 7500 pound trailer. Get closer to the max of the trucks. That is a very light trailer.
I tried to get a heavier trailer, but couldn't at the last minute due to the wind storms causing a rancher to need it instead. I'll have a heavier one in the future with the Ford. The Chevy went back today.
That trailer is light. Small potatoes... any truck now a days can easily tow that with reasonable stability. Try 7500lbs empty and that would be a really good test and on a side windy day. 😄😄
I’m sure he’ll have heavier loads in the future. He’s driving the Ford for a year.
GM offered a full hybrid in the Taho and Silverado in the late 2000's and they did not sale well so they stopped making them. They were not mild hybrids either. They were an expensive option though that kept many from buying them.
I mentioned that and I’ve heard GM describe those as mild hybrids. I’m not sure exactly what the definition of “mild” is for a vehicle.
They only had 5,900# towing in the 4x4 truck though
@@Pickuptrucktalk mild hybrids can't move under electric power alone. The Ram eTorque is a mild hybrid
@@Pickuptrucktalk ...Tim, they had a regular 2-mode hybrid that had the 4 speed 6.0 v8 which offered 20 mpg city/ 23 hwy mpg versus 13 mpg city/ 18 hwy mpg for the regular version. Debut was I believe in 2007 but I could be mistaken.
GM also had a mild hybrid e-assist belt alternator-starter option in 2016 which was offered with the 8 speed 5.3 v8. Fuel economy was 18 city & 24 hwy & 20 combined. Regenerative braking, stop/start, electric power boost along with a compact lithium ion battery as part of the system.
@@rlhmarines I remember the e-assist mild hybrid. I don’t recall the other.
So right out you save 5-7 k on the diesel probably 10 k. After rebates.. and 50% in fuel ⛽️ vs the hybrid ford ..its Chevrolet duramax all day for me !!
Just recently switched from an ecoboost to the 3.0 duramax. Had the cam phasers go out twice in six years on the ecoboost. Loving the duramax so far. Great fuel economy, towing power and smooth ride
Nice way to really test each truck.. Beats pulling a horse trailer with water in it
Agreed. Travel trailers seem to have a weird size/weight ratio that make them especially twitchy. Also nice to see a trailer weight that doesn’t require a weight distribution hitch. For a change of pace.
If I was going to do a lot of boondocking or even mountain camping in the national parks where it can dip to just above freezing in the middle of summer, the ford would be my choice. RV generators are currently in the Jurassic era. Noisy, inefficient, expensive to buy and worse to fix. They have to be run monthly at least 1/2 hour or they will just die and have to be repaired. The hourly rate to fix generators is as high as $250/hr.
I wonder what would happen to "boost" level if you put shifting mode into manual and drop it a gear down from what truck has chosen to see if possible to gain some mpg while towing. What damage would towing in eco mode do to truck? Overheat electric motor, burn transmission overdrive components, etc? I'm sure you could use eco or normal with a under 1,000 lb trailer without damage. Thats like a full cab load of well fed relatives....lol
I like both these trucks from Ford and Chevy with newer engine technologies, but at the end of the day my 1/2 ton needs to confidently & safely pull my 9,500lb loaded trailer. Chevys not equipped to do so from what it sounds like at 9000-9500lbs? My 3.5L ecoboost tows this trailer phenomenally well. Just finishing a 2000mile trip through the northwest & through Yellowstone in 90-105 degree weather, pulling multiple steep grades, and pulling 70-74 on the freeways, and averaged 10mpg overall. Equipped with air bags on my truck, and 10 ply tires on both truck and trailer. As much as I like chevy’s 3.OL diesel, I don’t like the lower max tow rating that I’ve heard about a few times now. Is this really the max tow rating?
max tow rating is over 13k lbs with the right configuration
my 3.0 feels guttless when towing my high sitting tri-toon in any wind and up hills. Maxed out throttle. I cannot imagine hauling a 9500 lb travel trailer in it. You would need a gallon of oil and a box or two of def to make a 2000-mile trip. LOL!!! Looking at more powerful options. This is not a full pulling power had diesel by any stretch. Great commuter. Pulling on backroads? Yes!! Pulling on the interstate? No thanks!
A diesel will always win hands down when it comes to towing, torque rules the towing world ! You purchase a truck for the purpose and job you need it to do !1 Lol
put the gear shift in M or L on the chevrolet
I wonder why they don’t offer the diesel with the max tow package? I understand due to weight it can’t tow as much as the 6.2L but seems like they could offer the package to get heavier payload, vertical tow mirrors and still keep the safety options.
Love this channel. But how the heck do you afford new trucks every year. Or more so two or three new trucks every year or two??
Business is doing well. Also, majority of the review vehicles are loaners from manufacturers.
This is EXACTLY the video I wanted to see. Thank you sir
You are welcome!
“We have some some differences on the towing.”
Yeah, 40% more pulling capacity on the Ford. LOL Great video.
The problem with the Ford is that it has less weight capacity then the Chevy. You can basically never tow more than the Chevy due to that. The hitch weight of that trailer is probably close to 600 lbs empty. I really like the idea of having a built in generator on the Ford though. You could power much of a home with your truck in an emergency.
@@spankroy
Arnt the Chevys junk though?
(Minus the duramax)
@@monkeywkeys3916 Lol, I hope not, I have the baby duramax version. So far so good. It does have some annoying rattling issues in the dash though.
@@monkeywkeys3916 I just had to sell my 2018 3.5 EB back to the dealer. Always in the shop with a new issue, real pile of shit. Just bought a 2021 GMC Sierra 1500 with the duramax, let's hope this one is better.
gm 3.0 diesel.isnt that the engine where you have to seperate the engine & trans to replace the timing belt every 150k miles? what kind of bozo engineering does gm specialize in by putting a timing BELT on a diesel.then charge you a ridiculus price for it to boot.i think gm needs to expand their drug testing in the engineering department & the boardroom.
Speaking of, I interviewed the engineer. He gives the reasoning.
th-cam.com/video/pG0vzuZjito/w-d-xo.html
Diesel cost is over the top now
2008 Toyota Tundra 5.7 4wd. I have been towing my 35’ 10k lbs. keystone outback RV for a couple of years now and at this time my Tundra has 207k miles on it. No problems at all. The only thing I added to the truck was KYB rear shocks and installed a add-a-leaf spring.
You never mentioned mpg's
My 2018 trunda with the 5.7 towing a 33 forest river alpha wolf 27 rkl travel trailer gets between 9and 9.5 and that's towing normal ,no racing around,,just driving,,, tt weights 6550 empty
You have to put the Chevy in manual mode to see what gear its in.
On my Silverado RST it had to be shifted into "L"
After not 1 but 2 new chevys bought back under lemon laws, I'll take my Ford all day. Never buying g.m. junk again.
That's what I thought!
Does the duramax diesel help the quality?
Shame, because I like the Chevy style & interior.
Every brand, I’ve had multiple ford and chevy and a Dodge. The Fords were all good I did have some electric issues on one but not bad. The dodge basic nuisance stuff nothing bad. The Chevys same basic electric issues nothing major. I’ve had three of the 5.3l all perfect on fuel, multiple displacement, reliability. The oldest 5.3 2007 had limp mode at 174,000 several times, discovered a dirty throttle body cleaned it and perfect again. Of course my 1994 5.7l 5speed bulldog excellent old truck, my 1987 4.3l excellent truck, and my moms 2005 k2500 6.0 great engine electrical pain as far as instruments. Brother in laws 2005 k3500 duramax also excellent truck. I guess either you’re a perfectionist or you just weren’t living right lol very company has lemons and it seems like the same people get them
The Ford generator thing is nice, but not enough for me to sacrifice fuel economy when towing. I carry a small generator anyway when boondocking. Give me the 3.0.l
Ford just killed the 3.0L Diesel FYI.
@@Pickuptrucktalk Yeah I saw that. But I meant I would take the Duramax. I am waiting on the new Tundra before I buy something. My 2010 Tundra was totaled a couple years ago. I loved that truck, except the for the MPG.
You would be crazy pulling a 12000 lb trailer with a 1/2 ton truck and yes my company truck is a Ford 1/2 ton v6 twin turbo. Just more electronic shit to go bad.I personally would take the diesel any day.
At the price of these trucks they both should be diesel hybrids. $60k for these trucks is insane.. I can see this whole system falling with housing being 300k for a tiny shit and the price of these trucks is too expensive for most Americans to afford safely.
WDH with anti-sway bars. It’s nice that the truck has sway control, but use known tech (WDH) to reduce squat and add sway control. When the big rig passes and blows the trailer tail, you’ll thank yourself for the hitch anti-sway as it cuts the effect of truck gusts by at least two thirds.
On mpg and back seat towing, I was impressed by the TT EcoBoost pulling the hill only at 2000 rpm. But heavy in the boost is harder on fuel with a gas motor. Thank for the side by side comparison!!
Yeah, I have a WDH. Not my camper or I would have installed it. Mine requires drilling into the tongue frame to install brackets.
I think the generator is a cool idea and for sure handy but it won't change the construction industry or camping.
Most of the time on an industrial or commercial site you can't even get close to the work. You may even be parked in a remote parking spot. On a residential site you may be lucky to get near by street parking so now what? Run 200' of cord? Plus if your powering a couple guys on the tools and have to run out, everyone is down. Camping would be handy but personally a portable Honda put far away in the bush or behind a wood pile is far more convenient. They come in many sizes and are quite affordable.
Don't get me wrong I would tick the option box if I was buying one but I would not be a decision maker for me. A portable generator is way more versatile.
I don’t use 87 octane in a lawn mower. To absolutely keep the potential detonation down under heavy loads you have to run higher octane.
I thought I misheard him, so I played it back...most new turbo engines you want to use 91 +
I tow my travel trailer maybe 20 days a year, I drive my truck 365 days a year. I'll take the day-to-day driving performance of the powerboost for all the time I'm not towing and suffer the lower gas mileage on those days when I am towing, plus I don't have to drag my generator with me when I'm camping off the grid.
I like the Ford EcoBoost RV truck but I get better gas mileage on my Ford V10 Motor home.
On them GM trucks the shifter must be in M (manual mode) in order to use the tap up/down buttons to see that gear number on the display, my RAM (2012 1500 column shifter) doesn't have the M on the dash but while in D you can tap the button on the shifter to display what gear your transmission in, the GM feature is more superior than that on my RAM plus the tow/haul mode button is integrated on the tip-end of the shifter while the RAM one is on the dash.
Warning check your ability to stop while compairing half tons and towing or just driving.
One of my 34 chevies braked really well.
My 89 1500 chevy only braked well with abs disengaged in 4 wheel drive for that modle year. Newer ones braked poorly...dealer said live with it.
My 2010 XTR ford came equipped with real brakes just like the 2006 34 chev and felt safe letting the kids and wife use it
Who towed better was the title not who has fun gadgets. The Silverado towed better with vastly better fuel economy. I've towed with an ecoboost before and the mpg more than doubled. My trip budget went down the shitter...never again. The 3.0 has my vote all the way
Most trailer tires are rated 65 mph maximum speed. States have their own speed limits for trailer towing. Most are 60 or 65 mph. You have to check each states towing laws. They also have laws regarding trailer tow mirrors too. I tow at 60 mph everywhere on the highways except in construction zones. I've towed with 1/2 ton F150 and 2500 GMC Savana van. The 3/4 ton is always better in high winds because of the load range E van tires vs P rated 1/2 ton radials. Much stiffer sidewalls at 80 psi inflation.