Queen Elizabeth II’s complicated history with the island of Ireland
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- Northern Ireland's political problems meant there was no First Minister to greet the new King on his visit to Belfast. But it wasn't so long ago that the Northern Ireland "Troubles" would have meant the visit itself was nearly unthinkable. (Subscribe: bit.ly/C4_News...)
In the 1970s and 80s the Queen managed just one, heavily-guarded, visit. The peace and reconciliation that came about later in her reign culminated in her historic visit to the Republic of Ireland - described by her son and heir as her greatest achievement.
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As an Irish person I've zero time for the monarchy but in the woman herself did her best to build bridges. It was a big thing for her to lay a wreath at the memorial for our volounteers.
As an Englishman I have never had much time for the monarchy either, but did end up having respect for her as a human being and think she did her best in the role she was born into and never asked for. Only ever had time for 3 of the family, Elizabeth II as I got older, Diana and her son Harry. None of them left in the family one way or the other now. I worked in Dublin for 6 months setting up the IT for the port tunnel job 20 odd years ago now, back when I was a young man. Made many memories visiting Temple Bar area and spent a small fortune there too most week nights! Been years since I visited, but really want to one day. Visited Kill, Killybegs and Cork, you have a beautiful country!
As an Irish/English/Scottish person (a one-man joke) I agree with every word, spot on
Queen Elizabeth did try to build bridges 🌉 out of the division of the pasted. I believe she would of did more . I hope one day everyone see what she was trying to do . Build a better future
As an Anglo-Irish person, I agree.
Well said. As a child of the seventies growing up in Ulster ,Marty McGuinness shaking hands with the Queen, was just surreal and totally incapsulated the spirit of change we all needed.
The fact Michelle O’Neill, leader of Sinn Fein, attended her funeral service at Westminster Abbey speaks volumes. It would’ve been unthinkable 30 years ago. While our Monarchy doesn’t have overt political power, never under estimate the soft power that they and especially Her Majesty had.
And the fact he was invited also speaks volumes...
*Deputy Leader MON is the Deputy Leader MLD is Leader but sits in the south whilst MON sits in the north.
@@richardtromans6411 He Michelle O'Neill a woman.
@@oisinmtom*First Minister Michelle O’Neill ~ Sinn Fein
It was all for show
People forget the atrocities the British conducted in Ireland. I admire her for her appearance in Dublin to acknowledge this. She was a great ambassador
Irish people don't forget.
@whataboutlove Whataboutism doesn't work with us Ulster Unionists
@whataboutlove
"Irish people forget the terrorist campaign across the UK"?
No, we did not.
However, while the overwhelming majority of us did not support it, we understood where it came from.
Back in reality, when every democratic avenue is closed off, what other option is there except violence?
Terrorist?
Freedom fighter?
Guerrilla?
Take your pick
Given Britain's and the UK's blood-boltered string of atrocities around the world during its imperial history, no-one, repeat NO-ONE, in the UK gets to claim any moral high ground.
@言行一致 they tortured the Irish people to speak English it was illegal to speak Irish in Ireland you would be shot dead if you spoke Irish that's why are language has disappeared in history
People forget the atrocities that the IRA and INLA conducted in Ireland, Britain and elsewhere. I admire Irish people who acknowledge this. I also agree with you on your other points and best wishes to Ireland and all Irish people. The amount of goodwill in Britain for the Irish has been massively ignored; and exploited for political ends.
The relationship with Ireland is a lot less complicated when you take the Tory Party out of the equation.
I'm no Tory but tbf it wasn't just them. Most politicians preferred to send in soldiers than just get people talking.
John Major started the Good Friday negotiations.
The Queen’s state visit to Ireland needs to feature in the upcoming final two seasons of The Crown. It was probably one of her greatest achievements as monarch which is why I think it’s significant.
Why are British royals German?
Ireland's history with the monarchy goes back many hundreds of years and not confined to 'The Troubles' . A ferocious history. However, I admire a woman who took an Oath at 19 years of age and kept it until she expired. Not many in the world have done that. May she rest in peace.
Well said.
Yes this report didn’t really make sense as it provided zero historical context
Amen.
She got paid very well for it, of course she kept the oath. What else should she do?
I thought British Monarchy has nothing in power to do that but the Parliament.
My grandparents remembered when Winston churchill sent the Black and Tans to Ireland and gave them a free hand to behave as they saw fit. They committed atrocious acts of violence against men, women and children, including rape and murder.
My grandparents often spoke about what they endured, under the B & T’s, before they passed. The Irish have long memories.
The Black and Tans didn’t do anything Irish nationalists hadn’t already been doing. So don’t pretend you have an objection to rough conduct.
The Black and Tans were crack Great War troops from all over the empire, and they were smashing the IRA to bits at their own game. That’s the true reason the Irish don’t like them.
Sadly, they were pulled out by a spineless parliament, under American pressure, before victory could be achieved.
The list of British atrocities in Ireland is very, very long. Their fight against imperialism over centuries is inspiring. And soon the whole island will be free and united, as it always should’ve been.
@@raymondhaskin9449
The difference is Ireland belongs to the IRISH people NOT England. The nationalists want the English OUT of Ireland.
So you obviously excuse the behavior of the Black and Tans. My grandparents were just simple farmers and had to live in fear under the Black and Tans.
@@raymondhaskin9449 you are talking utter shite another English person refusing the truth about the occupation of Ireland.
@@patriciayoung569
I don’t excuse bad behaviour. Im just saying, the IRA were responsible for most crime and murder in Ireland.
If the behaviour of the police makes you upset - then you should be even more upset by the IRA’s behaviour. Which included ethnic cleansing of Protestants, kidnap, torture, arson and so on.
one wishes the British history in Ireland was taught better if at all in UK schools
Starting with not referring to Ireland as a component of “Great Britain “ would be a good start
@@patrickdoyle9304 Exactly, Patrick Doyle (name of my uncle)
THIS (TRUTHFULLY INCLUDING ALL ‘GORY’ DETAILS)
BUT ALSO
THE ‘REAL’ IMPACT “THE EMPIRE” [including ‘monarchy’; political; socioeconomic/‘class based structures’ etc] had:
On people & countries around the world;
THE TRUTH about ‘beneficiaries/victims’ [including NAMES, DATES, NUMBERS/FIGURES];
WHO WAS RESPONSIBLE/CULPABLE OF ATROCITIES (and who benefited/lost);
WHAT WAS THE ‘POWER STRUCTURE/HIERARCHY’;
WHAT WERE/ARE THE ‘PROS & CONS’ AND;
CAN WE (as humans/‘a nation’) JUSTIFY [and ‘be comfortable’] THE ‘WAYS AND MEANS’ USED?
I remember being taught about ancient history, then the ‘dark/middle age’ era (‘AD’ - i.e. Vikings, Normans & Tudors).. THEN “BRITANNIA RULED THE WAVES”; ‘there was some slavery’ and ‘THE INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION’ (then ‘world wars’)
They skip ALL the atrocities across the world; the VERY DYNAMIC/PRECARIOUS political & religious situations throughout the world; THE ENDLESS EUROPEAN WARS; the REAL ‘face of colonialism’…
…while trying to PREACH about Shakespeare…
WHOLE CURRICULUM is about reinforcing the RACIST [Capitalist] socioeconomic & class structures, which ENCOURAGE obedience & compliance; and DISCOURAGE ‘critical thinking, creativity, individuality & freedom of expression’
@@patrickdoyle9304 or my biggest pet peeve, when someone say we are part of the British Isles. Don't care how typically the English refer to us but we are not and we don't recognize the term British Isles as we are not a British Island.
And Shakespeare isn't even standard Irish text book either.... And I never learnt about the history of Jamaica in my Irish history class... Fascists man 😋
It’s the British education system, they are not taught the history of what Britain did in Ireland so they simply don’t know. I have many great British friends from working together and they just don’t know about it. Also not mentioning the famine in this report while Ireland was under British rule is a big omission…
@Laurence O'Connor exactly my point
So you went through our education system to know this? But also the Irish one? That's impressive, I must say.
@Laurence O'Connor So teachers don't need to be paid? That's a revelation. What a profound quote lol
It is in the English education system. It's covered as part of a History syllabus at A level, on most exam boards.
@@Will-ti7gi not many take history at A-level though. It’s mandatory learning in ireland
Queen Elizabeth II was a remarkable woman and I, as an Irish Republican, admire, respect her for work to make the world a better place.
It is time to move on from the troubles of the past. We Irish have suffered for far too long. We can try to forgive but we should never forget.
@James Gallagher...But if others say the ''never forget'' you lot call the ''playing the victim''. The pain the Irish have is the pain many have the commonwealth. The Irish have more in common with them that the British. Wheter you like it or not the Irish faced alot dihumanization like others faced in the British empire.
@@onlineonlineaccount2368 I completely agree and respect that others have also faced dehumanization. But the video is about Ireland... therefore I am commenting about Ireland.
@@aspacebeyond I know bro i get your point. I just adding to the fact that Irish really sufferd under the British to extend that its still visible today like North Ierland where you have ethnically Irish people that feel more connected to the UK then with their fellow Irish in the Republic of Ierland. Remember the British said no dogs, no irish no blacks ( as in no Carribeans). They compared all you lot to animals. The Irish have the full right express their pain.
@@onlineonlineaccount2368 The Irish absolutely have the right to express their pain, ain't nobody arguing that.
@@onlineonlineaccount2368 are you referencing north or south Ireland; it is like two countries, ya know?
The Irish never forget, the English never remember.
Of course, the victims will never forget but it is their choice not to forget but it is the victors who write the narrative. This describes the relationship between the English and Irish
Excellent comment
Ireland was civilised by England and the Queen. They did not have any culture before we arrived to teach them all
Says a Spaniard
@@johnbuffaloiam9741 I believe every Irishman should have the right to a united ireland !!!! Under British Rule !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think this report needed to go quite a bit further back into history to full explore and explain the context of this matter.
It goes back to Richard LeClare - Strongbow
The Queen was sincere and dignified in attempting to bridge divides, and I respect her for that. The English education system should really provide more awareness of its own historical atrocities, which may help regular English citizens to understand why their country is so often reviled across the world and in former colonies in particular. Although if they went through all the atrocities they'd of course have no time left to learn their own domestic history.
Coming from the uk we should definitely learn more about our historical relationship with nations and the good and bad stuff with how we impacted other nations. I mean it’s good to be aware of things, I hope we teach more of Irish history in our schools.
This is the exact argument I’ve been making!
would also help their nationalistic protestants in northern Ireland voting to stay in the UK and all that fucking bullshit.
How honest are you about yours? How honest is anyone? Does your education system contain your involvement in those atrocities?
@@johnnypickles5256 England is in a class of it's own for atrocities
As an Irish man in the 6 county's I and many like me want to be united with our kin, we want to be united with the rest of Ireland. We as a small island would benefit so much from unity when it comes to the Economy, gaelic sports and others , culture, Irish language and the creation of an all Ireland healthcare system. I would love to see GARDA on the streets of Tyrone and Belfast. Demographics of the 6 county's has be changing for years now and is going only one way. The English don't want the North of Ireland that is clear, the minority that do, most haven't been to our very divided society and having to walk daily between peace walls and looking at the lampposts to see where you are and where not to linger..
We can have peace and friendship and economic ties after but the struggle for the occupied 6 goes on.
Unite Ireland 🇮🇪
Agree, also can you please take liverpool and make it part of ireland. You would be doing us a massive favour, cheers.
@@BeBe-vh4ry only if you take Dublin.
@@joemacdonnagh6750 wtf?? 😂.
@@BeBe-vh4ry th-cam.com/video/H60kpWhyeZc/w-d-xo.html
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I'm not Charles biggest fan, and most of us aren't but this does break my heart for him. Whether they are 96 or 46, losing your parents is a pain that is indescribable. I'm thinking of the entire royal family and hoping they can give in their own ways.
That's nice, anyway.
Everyone I know who's actually met Charles speaks very highly of him. I think he'll make a good King.
Speak for yourself... Many people like King Charles III. He's had the greatest teacher that he could wish for.
losing one's parents is not a pain for all people.we need to stop telling people how to feel.it depends entirely on how they have treated you..whether they have encouraged or supported you or suffocated you...some parents are very very difficult.
From orange drums in 1953 to speaking Irish at Dublin Castle….quite the leap in one reign. She was a wonderful lady 👑👏🇬🇧
Glad she came on state visit before she passed on.
I couldn't believe what I was witnessing on TV, the Queen laying a wreath and bowing her head Garden of Remberance Amazing etc .
My dad died a month ago. Organizing some of his affairs and dealing with the funeral arrangements was too much for us to handle in the middle of the grieving process. The entire family was on edge and he was just a retired plumber in a small neighborhood in the island of Puerto Rico. I can't imagine how it must be for him dealing with the death of his mother and taking over a monarchy. I would have thrown the pen out of rage.
Sounds like a healthy habit.....
easy the new king is heartless... a man who once blankly said "yes whatever love is" on his wedding day, leaving princess diana looking awkward and in silence for a good minute.
@@Masked_Official Actually, that whole affair suggests the exact opposite, that he is emotional and the opposite of heartless: yes, he probably married Diana largely because he felt that would satisfy his family and his country (so, basically, because he succumb to the pressure), and despite her not being the love of his life at the time. But, eventually, he gave up on this gorgeous (and smart) woman to be with the love of his life, an older, not-as-gorgeous woman, and he did that despite it being a hugely unpopular move that brought him tons of bad publicity.
Yes I have changed my opinion and totally agree with you.
My condolences from Ireland. I respect her legacy may she rest in peace.
You do not speak for the Ireland i live in. The party went long into the night with young people, not the old farts, celebrating.
I also offer my condolences from Ireland.
The Queen reached out for reconciliation and when the hand of peace is offered you take it.
You respect he legacy, are you fuc***g serious? Open a history book
@@elzorro7of9 There were no parties you gobshite. Reaction in general ranged from sympathies to indifference. No one cared enough to "party"
@@elzorro7of9 Checks out. That's a commentary on the latest generations around the world that I'm not entirely sure is favorable.
Well as a German who love both the Irish and our Anglo-Saxon counterparts the english... I would say the present English are not responsible for the sad past as weel I am not responsible for the sad German past.... There is so much hate in this world so many harm so many people has died in the troubles... Could this time not be a time to forgive... 🙏
They are responsible as they keep the electing politicians that support their colonialism
@Albion my I ....There is a lot ''hate'' in this world because there is no fair justice. No one said that current English population is responsible for the evil acts of British empire in the past ( they did a lot of inhumane activities that many English there not to read of visualize in their minds). But they are current beneficiaries of all the wealth, capital, resources etc. The British colonial administrations extracted to the UK to benefit the UK and wealth we they live in. The current British governments in the last decades also purposely decided not to educate the native population of the its colonial heritage and as to why so many communities from the commonwealth live in the UK today ( Hong Kong, India, Malaysia, Nigeria, Jamaica, Pakistan, Australia etc. If you neglect your past it will come for you in the future and what do you see today many more people becoming more educated of what the UK did in their respective countries wondering why their governments didn’t do nothing ? Reason why is because many of the former generations from Elizebeth era where miseducated and brainwashed in the former colonies to see the British empire as their head of state and deity. The queen also came to these nations as form of soft power to persuade many not to join forces with the soviet union. It’s not just the queen but the whole royal machine behind her that we have to look at. Just remember people are not stupid and one the day the truth will come and those days are developing right know and many western nations don’t like it because it’s to confrontational to society.
difference is that Germany has done a far better job coming to terms with what happened during the Nazi regime and teaches the history. The same cannot be said for the UK, there is basically nothing about what the British did to Ireland and many if not most are not aware of it today
@@jebbo-c1l Sadly I think this is right. We’re not all ignorant of that history, but those of us who do know about it pretty much had to find out for ourselves. It isn’t right.
The Germans are the outliers here, I think. Most countries present themselves with sanitised versions of their histories. It’s Germany we should all seek to learn from.
(Two of my favourite countries, Germany and Ireland!)
@@melvinpenman1102 Northern Ireland is free to leave the UK if it wants so it's not colonialism is it?
Some women. I'm not a fan of the royal family. Lot of seedy stuff going on with that lot but I reckon she was a gooden. Fair play her and I hope God looks kindly on her.
It’s like she was being rammed down their throats whether they cared or not.
No other country has been abused, in Europe like Ireland, for seven or eight hundred years, long overdue.
Poland, Sami Finland, Scottish Highlands amd Wales as well
@@organicfarm5524 Ireland and its millions of innocent souls in particular! (An gaeltaght na Alba tha gu death ar daoine) ach the whole scale slaughter in Erin sticks in my mind.Why we need the E.U. to stop these
Atrocities in future!
Gu dearbh
@@organicfarm5524 we Scottish were abused by our own people unfortunately unlike the rest you have mentioned
@@SWTORROLEPLAY1998 that's why I've pointed highlands, lowlanders became traitors
A complicated, sad history. I commend her trip to the Garden of Remembrance but her comments were tepid at best. It was nice she opened in Irish. Hopefully, the future will bring true independence and a country that’s whole again as One. No more violence.
Could not agree more ONE Ireland NOT divided
Irlanda Republicana e Irlanda Monarquista podem conviver em paz, não precisa unificar, cada qual possui sua própria história.
All sing and Love each other and Sing forever of His Great Love For us ."You can go 40 days without food.3 days without water. 8 minutes without air.But you can't go single second without God.Amen🙏🏽🧡
I was an Asian little girl growing up in America in the 80s and was married to a Scottish/Irish/German from the US. I believe he's no clue with what went on with his ancestors countries. I'm just now learning about this in my 50s.
I was always puzzled by the Ireland/Britain conflict. Should do more research on it. Long live the Irish people who lost their lives trying to be free.
She no more led the country than Paddington Bear ffs. Just like the Irish president no more leads the country than a leprechaun ! Neither had power to speak against the prevailing politics of their countries - Their positions still can't.
Personally as an Irish man, I say rest in peace Elizabeth 🙏
@Laurence O'Connor ooh I touched a nerve. What I said remains true.
The Queen was magnificent in her role as peacemaker. May she R.I.P
What's funny about all of that is that, in reality, the Queen was not responsible for the problem in Ireland and Northern Ireland, nor was she responsible for the peace of the UK with Ireland and for the Good Friday Agreement. She is just a symbolic head of state with no power (and rightly so, given that she's not elected). So, I find it funny how she got to bear the brunt during the bad times and enjoy the warm welcomes during the good times - while, in reality, it was never her fault or her achievement.
At a personal level, no, she is not responsible. But what annoys people is that the monarchy in the past was responsible. Ireland always got drawn into the struggles Britain had with European countries like Spain and France because the monarch was afraid of attack from these countries via Ireland. So the monarch was always exerting control over Ireland. Also, monarchs of the past condoned and encouraged adventurers who took territory by force and exploited it to bring back riches to the monarch.
However, after the Bill of Rights of 1688, the monarch's powers were curtailed, and it was mainly the governments of the day who made the decisions.
@@fromireland8663 still doesn’t have anything to do with her, or the modern royal family.
And they won’t probably apologise properly, as people will always be looking for more and more.
@@CrazyBrosCael I agree. And that might be the best approach to take because soon after there will be demands for reparations, which I don't agree with.
Agreed
Lol she chose to accept the crown so she carry’s the baggage she is responsible.
There's no complications, the British mucked around with Ireland too many times
Exactly, they do the same in Scotland , Brit’s out
@@melvinpenman1102 I'm afraid what you refer to "Brits" also include the Scots and Northern Irish. I think what you mean is the English. I'm also afraid that the English will be keeping both countries for the foreseeable future. Can't become independent without the people from either country's consent and permission anyway.
@@Brandon_J Let the English vote on the next Scottish referendum. It'll be a landslide for independance
@@melvinpenman1102 Scottish people are British. If you mean the English, remember that it was a Scottish man who United the English and Scottish crowns
The Dublin streets weren’t empty or “cleared”. Obama and the Queen visited within a few weeks of each other and there was a lot of checks and manholes sealed but the streets weren’t cleared on the day. I remember seeing her and the atmosphere being lovely in the streets.
Not my King. Unite Ireland.
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Agreed! The the Unionists can shoot and bomb their way to independence if they want.
As someone who supports Irish nationhood, I didn't like the royals much but she did show some real class and I said a prayer for her soul when she passed -- as well as all the victims of the Troubles. What's really sad to me is if you've met people on all sides, you realize they were all kept divided by ideology and economics, but when you just know them as individuals many are some of the most fun and interesting people in the world -- I've gotten quite drunk with Nationalists and Unionists and had a grand time with both. So glad that it's over and I hope it doesn't come back, as it sometimes seems to be doing.
Deepest sympathy to the Royal Family on the passing of the Queen she helped so much in the peace process and her belief in reconciliation
I still believe this was one of the most significant moments in the history of the state.
Bertie Ahern ties his tie in a "Windsor" knot. Interesting.
I am Canadian and that was my Queen
She is descendant of last Kings of Ireland on mother's side
LONG LIVE IRELAND.. MAY THE QUEEN BE AT PEACE.
"It's about the monarchy. It's not about Elizabeth." Tommy McKearney. Timeless in its "naked profundity!"
Agree. Its a disgrace!
Er, didn't Oliver Cromwell abolish it...and yet still managed to order the deaths of thousands of Irish people? How many Irish did QE2 order to be killed again? 🤔
Uma pessoa cheia de ódio e rancor, por ele o terrorismo estaria vivo até hoje. Detestei esse home.
Do Brasil, com carinho pela Rainha.
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Why do no British media use taoiseach the correct and more common title for our "PM"
Because the British think they are superior
Because they don't know it. If they do they are unsure of it's pronunciation. Obvious. But why would they? They call premiere the French prime minister. They are speaking in English, after all!
They do. Occasionally. Maybe more likely on Channel 4 and the BBC.
@@b3108 yes, and rarely pronounce it correctly.
@@fromireland8663 because the Anglo language can’t get their head around the Celtic language so in their mind it’s better to no attempt to avoid embarrassment of pronouncing it wrong
That was fantastic. Thank you.
Truely an amazing woman, RIP 🙏 th
"A small crowd protesting the visit" if you've seen any of the footage you know that it was allot larger than a "small crowd"😂😂
Sure it's alot easier to be the Harbinger of Peace after the fact...she did well 11 years ago when it was easy. Where was she 40 yrs ago when she could have been a true agent of peace.
Trying not to be assassinated as they did with her close relative and the children on the boat.
As an Irish, I salute Her.
She came to Ireland in 2011, spoke 'cúpla focail Gaeilge', laid a wreath in memory of Irish soldiers murdered by her army for trying to free their country, and went home having done nothing to acknowledge or compensate for the genocide carried out by her forebears in Ireland and throughout the 'british empire' .
What would you have liked her to do?
@@seansmith445 I'm not sure she could do anything except the pittance she did. My point is it wasn't enough. Merely to say "Things were done that shouldn't have been done" doesn't cut it. Perhaps if she had begun by recognising the 800 year genocide against Ireland by her forebears, acknowledged Victoria as the famine queen, and recognised british warcrimes all over the world - a simple one liner such as "Everywhere my country went we did despicable things to wholly innocent human beings we can never expunge the shame we brought on ourselves and we can never undo the damage we have done or the crimes we have committed"; that might have been a start to a start towards a start. An immediate announcement that british military forces would be confined to their own country forever except when invited to other countries under strict regulations would have been a good second clause.
As a Christian (and a non-English speaker), it honestly, deeply sadden me, to hear about people being divided in Ireland and the UK, and using the "labels" of Protestant and Catholic to justify their "political"/nationalistic ideals. To Jesus Englishmen and Irishmen are just as valuable.
As a American I second this hard. Whike yes Great Britian did atrocities towards Ireland but Ireland used there own religious deference to harm brother against brother.
@@brittanyhayes1043 are u serious. America should make Elizabeth their queen and head of state.
@@Churros1616 No I perfer a better president then the clown we have now. I simply respect the Queen, but fo t respect his son because he's a player.
The root cause of the conflict was English aggression against Ireland by conquering the country, persecuting the majority of the population for being Catholic and setting up an unjust political and social system giving the protestant minority a sectarian supremacy. If the English had stayed at home none of the trouble would have happened.
@@wonjubhoy I can't imagine that you actually believe what you write. Of course the UK didn't do anything at all BECAUSE the Irish were CATHOLICS. It had to do with land and controlling that land. It was colonialism, and about trying to keep Ireland as a part of the British Empire. The fact that English people happened to be protestants and the Irish mostly were Catholics, had historical reasons that were totally unrelated by the Troubles.
It's not only not factual, but it is also blasphemy the way I see it, no matter if it's Protestants or Catholics, using their denomination, their faith in Jesus Christ, to justify anything at all that have to do with militarism, and no matter what denomination, the cause of Irish struggle for independence have nothing in itself to do with religion of any kind. As Christians we are all commanded to love each other, not shooting each other dead, or planting bombs and exploding each other into tiny particles of blood and flesh.
Rest in peace 🙏🙏🙏
The Monarchy doesn't apologize. Ask Africa
Or India
@MsMissy you haven't apologise and havent returned everything that was stolen from africa.
@@sharleenjj8548 I wouldn't hold your breath waiting. Get on with your life.
@@fromireland8663 im not waiting on evil to return them..but a day will come,for karma
@@sharleenjj8548 Katam will come for you if you dint forgive.
As an American and not schooled in the British monarchy/Ireland troubles, I would love to study the full history of this conflict. Could anyone give me ideas on what documentary (ies) to watch concerning this? I'm basically clueless on this subject, but very interested. Thanks in advance.
Not about about the troubles but war of independence is on TH-cam irish revolution
@@harrybryne7360 Thanks Harry, I'll be sure to watch!
Do research in Irish history in general, it wasn’t just the few years of the Troubles that caused this much hurt, it was 800 years of discrimination, bigotry and anti Catholic sentiment, honestly genocide if I’m being honest
Also watch films Michael Collins and The Wind That Shakes The Barley
@@davemartin8501 Thanks Dave; I'll put it on my watch list!!
one thing that I never see discussed when talking about a reunited Ireland is how loyalist Irish will influence the politics of the Republic of Ireland after Ulster is fully integrated.
They could wield significant power
@@tianyinjia Yes a couple of independent tds can hold the balance of power in leinster house,so to can a small number of Unionist tds from the north.I would say about 15 in house of probably 200 members.
Não haverá unificação nunca e jamais. Irlanda Republicana e Irlanda Monarquista podem conviver em paz, não precisa unificar, cada qual possui sua própria história.
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What about the people in northern Ireland who support being part of Britain
Believe me I would love a united Ireland but it's a cultural mess and I'm not sure how possible it is
@@Mei0naise Northern ireland isn't part of Britain ye eejit
@@FY17215 the UK then i guess?
I was born in the 90s and have vivid memories of Channel 4 (and ‘TV’ in general) so remember how much C4 used to CHALLENGE and QUESTION not just ‘the narrative’; ‘establishment’ and ‘status quo’ but present various opinions/viewpoints from many people..
Even before Jon Snow announced his retirement, I’ve noticed the ‘output’ from C4 has been ‘controlled/measured’ and less likely to “push the boundaries” as they used to be..
ESPECIALLY since #Brexit and #GE2019 (where Tories/Boris BOYCOTTED debates and attacked the press [copying “Donald Trump’s” playbook/tactics])..
C4 have become less & less ‘impartial’ and [noticeably] ‘PRO ESTABLISHMENT’ SINCE THE GOVERNMENT (Nadine Dorries in particular) THREATENED THEIR ‘REMIT/INDEPENDENCE’ AND ‘FUNDING/MODEL’
Remember Admiral Ackbar's words
I have always been some what sympathetic to the Irish partly because my father's side of the family is half Irish and also because Ireland has suffered for hundreds of years. But the problem I have with Ireland know is the Magdalene houses and the abuse that those girls and wemon suffers threw I hope they finally made good on it.
That's a fair point. I'm guessing the Church never committed any of these acts in England?
@@siegfriedsassoon5071 I haft to emit I never new about that that's beyond evil was it also by the church ?
@@seankavanagh7625 Church of England killed many of thier own.
@@RobertK1993 Believe me, I'm aware.
I tip my cap to her in regards trying to build bridges, can imagine how hard it was for her to shake martins hand, when he was on the side of Mountbatten death. Don’t care who you are, you have to take that personally. I’m a republican and understand that loyalist views will always exist. For courage to reach across and build bridges I am humbled by her. But the current Tory party are trying to undermine the good Friday agreement, simply to not let the general public see how much better off the U.K. was in the EU. It maddening to see such actions
It must have been hard for Martin McGuinness to shake her hand all the Irish by brits soldiers.
Now where are the people who were saying that queen is immortal?
It's a meme, don't take it seriously
Elizabeth The Great
Every journey begins with a step forward. May Elizabeth's first steps be continued forward by her successors.
5:06
That's because they were and so was the RUC, military intelligence and MI5. See: Robert Nairac, Glenanne Gang, FRU, Brian Nelson.
Why make things simple when you can make them complicated
Over it, she had a good run on the Tax payer
The Queens fathers complication with his own country......Germany....Saxe-Coburg-Gotha🤔
Her forces? That’s quite extraordinary as she wasn’t even born at the time of the Easter Rising…
Totally agree she wasn't even born then. It's like talking about President Biden forces at the Alamo!
@@michaelhalsall5684she was head of state for the entirety of the troubles it’s a shame she got to die a natural death
It's a nice gesture but don't forget what Ireland went through, to regain freedom. The queen should have apologized properly. Make no mistake, if the going gets tough, Britain will not respect the borders in Northern Ireland.
King Charles will be drive Anglican Church or not ? It's been hundred years Kingdom is a Queen, can not drive it. .
She did what the British State required of her at any given time... so stuff like her visit to Ireland were fine because they didn't undermine Britain & it could be seen as improving British-Irish relations.
In the end, she did her duty, did many things, mostly symbolic & usually amounting to only slighty more than nothing.
A paz é mais valiosa que tudo, e qualquer ato nessa direção é de alto valor, o ódio e o terrorismo não valem nada.
The queen of England wasn’t ever welcomed in Ireland by the real indigenous peoples of Ireland , but of course she was welcomed by the descendants by the original planters who after 400 years living in Ireland still can’t bring theirselves to say that they are Irish.
Educate me please.
How can you tell apart the "real indigenous" people of Ireland?
Have you some special method for this?
That's not true. She got a great welcome in the Rep. of Irl.
Exactly mary Robinson has an English name she should never have represented us
@@nigelraporam6917 why? Wasn't Mary Robinson elected ?
Not true.
Really not sure why C4 have decided to post this video now, if they want to report news why not tell us what's happening in Leicester or Birmingham at the moment?
Its. Good grief.
Nobody else could have achieved the reconciliation between Proddies and Catholics. North and South, that she did. Her outstanding personal qualities were what carried it off.
Nonsense lol, the hundreds of thousands of normal people both protestant and Catholic pulled this off - we were tired of fighting
Contra radicais, só uma monarca imparcial e construtora de pontes.
"She almost apologised"
1:08 dudes uniform is fire ngl
This is what you get for having religion in society
Nonsense. It's what you get from ethnic cleansing in 1603-1630
@@siegfriedsassoon5071 how do you civilise it without a moral code that isn't du jour, and à la carte, and someone else's carte at that ?
She was useless for most of the troubles but thankfully she worked towards peace and reconciliation in later years
Please don't refer to Ireland as The Republic. There's the geographic island of Ireland, split between Ireland and Northern Ireland. You won't find the term Republic of Ireland on any Irish government documentation. Nobody refers to France as The Republic of France, or the UK as The Constitutional Monarchy of The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
Eh...what about the Republic of Ireland Act 1948?
Sorry, can't oblige. I find it the most convenient way to identify this state. As you say, Ireland is a geographic entity, the island of Ireland.
I've always known it as Ireland... and the north northern Ireland... and i never say I'm from Britain or I'm British... I'm a Yorkshireman from England and I'm English... that's me😆
Ireland is the island. The 26 counties is the Irish free state
Ireland is always welcoming to visitors. We never wanted war but when your invaded what do you do. Just ask a ukraine.
The start of the Irish problem happened centuries ago - the plantation period.
Ulster Plantation 1609
LIzzie in a box lalala lalala......
1:00 "close to an apology" 😭😭 wtf?
What about her complicated history as a coloniser?
What did she colonise?
@@thejoin4687 she ran colonies for the a huge part of her reign. Go read some history books.
@@halfpint90 "Coloniser" suggests a person who colonises (builds a colony somewhere). Brenda didn't build any colonies, although maybe she did according to the "history books" you read.
@@thejoin4687 🤣 ok bro
@@halfpint90 She ran no colonies. Uk monarchs don’t run anything, that’s the government.
NEWS FLASH .... A COFFIN has 6 sides, like Dracula. A CASKET is rectangular. We rest in caskets, not coffins. It's a CASKET, not a COFFIN!
They use coffins in the UK.
My mother had a grim little rhyme about the scourge of TB in her own parents' time. It ran thus: "It isn't the coughing that carries you off; it's the coffin they carry you off in!"
this is not America.
I was brought up with the IRA born 1956 in Portsmouth UK . I can remember being in London doing a hairdressing show in the 70s at the Hilton Hotel. We all stood in the foray , with my mum afterwards. The next weekend a bomb blew up in the same spot we stood at . I came to Australia in 1989 I had a fear when stuff was left on the ground here they were so couldn't care less attitude . But now things have changed around the world so much unrest so scary as we now see on the news everyday
As a descendant of Irish. British has zero claim to Ireland. The British has always fought to conquer other's lands. Just as they tried with USA, and failed.
they were successful in US though, natives have been cleared.... US population and their culture is virtually non-American.
As an outsider, people all over the world see US War for Independence just a civil war between people originated from British Isle and their monarch. Does not involved the people of its original land.
@@kureed79 people of the original land is matter of subject. Who is the original people of the land really. No one is. At some point people had to merge onto the land from some other place point.
So , your comment is really baseless. Without conviction.
@@johnnyfisherr2656 The Natives was always the original inhabitant. Just imagine in a multiverse universe the Natives becomes the invaders of the British Isles. So what is your opinion on that.
@@organicfarm5524 The British colonised the areas of the original 13 states. One of the issues the colonist settlers had wrt the Revolutionary War was that the crown didn't want them to expand westwards. This wasn't out of any love the the indigenous people, more that that the the crown didn't want any armed conflict with French-aligned Indians who had lost the Seven Years War. The colonists on the other hand saw this land as the spoils of war. The War of 1812 was caused by similar issues - American expansionism which the British wanted to stymie. The Americans wanted the British OUT of North America, including what is now Canada. The British allied with Tecumseh and the war finished in stalemate. The ethnic cleansing of the Indians carried out by the Americans from this point on had nothing to do with the British.
How fuckin beautiful would a United Ireland be!
A hard working woman, unfortunate with her offspring.
Remember that Ireland is still not free. If elizabeth really cared, she would have advocated for the full decolonization of the remaining 6 counties.
The monarch had no real power since 1688
@@holyfeline715nonsense she might not have the power to rite up laws but she can sure influence the person that does
Spicy comments
I get the feeling that the superpowers do nit like H. M. Queen 's rising popularity.... as it can be detrimental to t-eir standing as superpowers.... Can India have U. K. based companies that will create good jobs? .... I am in no way against the superpowers, but healthy competition is important.... U. K. based products are really good too
Why does Channel 4 always talk this nation down. If it isnt completely woke they have nothing nice to say.
Look at the head on Bertie! Doesn't look well...
It's incredible, a simple acts like a round of applause and British commentators make it sound like it was Julius Cesar arriving back to Rome after a campaign.
"Let's visit Ireland after centuries of oppressing the Irish"
-Queen Elizabeth
bro filmed this in 2008
Let's return to the old figths of yesteryear. Seems that what this lad wants 👍🏻
5:01 that's not Lizzy 😇😋 obviously
They say they're a democratic society has there ever been a queen or a primary minister ( prime minister) that was Scottish or Irish? What I mean by this is someone who spoke with an accent from Scotland or Ireland not someone who happened to have parents of Scottish or Irish descent or anything like that.
Gordon Brown was Scottish from Giffnock Renfrewshire, he was labour Prime Minister from 2007 to 2010 and he was the last labour prime minister in the reign of Queen Elizabeth II,
And Tony Blair from Edinburgh And he was Labour and was prime minister from 1997 to 2007, and he was succeeded by Gordon Brown
@@lovelitany didn't have Scottish accent .
@@pa7447 yes he does
@@lovelock512 no he doesn't
Oi sou brasileiro eu amo elizabeht