@@ravenouself4181 it sure did, but they made some real mistakes and learned from it. Bonb bay doors open too long, same flight path every day, mole on the ground informing take-off time. Haven't lost a stealth craft since. Plus, we can actually build stealth aircraft in meaningful numbers.
They love it because it's really suited their massive ego..... especially over confidence of Baltic fleet in 1904 that firing it's gun over 20 minutes over fishing boat 😅
@@d.i.l.l.i.g.a.f.594 over the water targets are hard to hit just ask Russia that those drones are similar not only that this was fast and able to deliver a lot of equipment in a little time compared to anyone else
@@jimmynolet3752 there's reason we don't see these in action is all I'm saying. how do they land the jets ? And taking off how do they stop them sliding off before the jet gets up to speed ?
@@d.i.l.l.i.g.a.f.594 Considering its theater of operation was mostly Soviet controlled anyway, I imagine the fighters would land at conventional airstrips after scaring off/killing the bogies.
It would be quite easy since there is less difference in speed compared to a ship. However you CANNOT *land* on it if it's going fast (over 350 or 400kmh) because the plane wings would produce too much lift to properly stay put. However this also means you could put as much stuff on the plane as you want on takeoff since the plane will already be above stall speed.
@@antoniohagopian213 If you had a landing pad shielded from the wind by putting a windscreen on the top as the plane came to land it would suddenly be out of the air flow, probably would be a crazy landing though :)
@@ATomRileyAthats an accident waiting to happen. Plane should just match speed and touch down at speed and once hooked on the mothership. Smash down the stick for max downforce.
Various "flying airbase" designs have been proposed, and even tried, like the XF-88 Goblin in America. Always the difficulty is getting the aircraft back once it has been deployed.
better not stall an engine due to water inteake fram a wave or so because a disruption of the pillow effect would make it the vessel do basicly a 600mph water crashlanding ...
True. It would have to have fire-through latches or the equivalent. Hold down quick disconnects at least. Hate to do maintenance on that system; on the fighter or mothership.
(haven't seen th wole thing) The ekranoplan would fall out of WIG as soon as the elevator door opened. The whole upper surface is more critical to lift than the "Air cushion". It could only 'catch' the fighter (even then the fighters slipstream would unpredictably alter the laminar flow of the upper surface) and scurry to safety, before slowing to a stop to lower the catch into the hull. A take-off of said fighter would have to be done exactly in the reverse proceedure. The jet fighter could even boost the mother ship before it is released🤔
If I was the navy officer who had to draft a concept of operations (conops) for this, I'd have the fighters land at airbases after performing their missions, not on the ekranoplan carrier (with the obvious exception of emergencies landings). The carrier is basically used as a "booster rocket" to bring the fighters within striking distance of their targets- not as versatile as a conventional carrier, but considering its obvious limitations, I think that's the best use for it.
Exactly, especially since those aircraft are its only defense screen, this thing would have to be at top speed all the time in a war scenario. If it swapped the planes with nuclear short/mid-range ballistic missiles, dashing past enemy fleets close to US coastlines, that would at least require those speeds only for a short time.
From a theoretical and purely theoretical this is a good idea on practice however oh my good I shudder to contemplate the maintenance costs on that thing
im sure there are very good reasons Ekranoplans/ground effect craft weren't further developed. but this is probably the future im most upset we never got.
Actually USSR had 5 ekranoplans in service (A-90 Orlyonok). 1 such carrier could drop 200 marines or 2 tanks in about a minute and then just dissapear at 500 km speed. Orlyonok could even just fly away like an airplane at an altitude of 3 km. There were rumors among Navy members that in the late 80s, ekranoplans were disposed of at the request of the Americans. Which may be true, because the head of the KGB at the same time, on Gorbachev’s orders, leaked the unique wiretapping system of the US Embassy to the CIA.
Веская причина только одна. Вмешательство США. По требованию США программа разработки была прекращена. Заказ на постройку уже принятых на вооружение образцов "Орленок" аннулирован. А причина в том что США экранопланы так и не смогли разработать. И несмотря на попытки США завладеть проектной документацией по этой теме, у них ничего не получилось. После закрытия КБ конструкторы большую часть документации уничтожили, а то что осталось , спрятали в личных архивах.
@@personperson2884 actually Ekranoplans can't move with middle sea disturbance. Also, they are too loudly and need too very fuel especially with 0,8-,9M speed. So, that's like Concord, very interesting engineering solution but very unuseful.
Примерно по подушке создаваемой таким воздушным кораблем можно оценить. Явно экраноплан имеет свой вес, да ещё мобилизуемой техники. Опустим эффективность в стандартном понимании, но общая грузоподъёмность или полётный вес тут явно раз в пять выше самолёта. Плотность воздуха в приземной части максимальная, перерасход горючки из-за большего числа двигателей, никуда не деть. Максимум эта штука жрет в пару раз больше самолёта. Но самолёт у тебя не утащит такой вес. И я также полагаю, что те двигатели не самые экономичные, ибо много придумано чего после, и потому у такой конструкции ещё есть куда развиваться. Как итог он может вполне иметь определенные несомненные преимущества перед самолётом.
Ground effect vehicles could be useful as research or resupply missions for not only effectively but also cargo or equipment size and on alien planets the research abilities would be amazing
@@jefreagan actually we have found many Ocean planets with a thick enough atmosphere for GEVs to be useful so actually to your research before you try putting someone's opinion down
I'm kinda skeptical about it's use in the military. On the other hand, I think it would be very useful for transport and commercial use. It would be able to deliver goods and people around the world way quicker than any cargo ship ever can. Win-win.
More use in military. UK keep 6 jets on cyprus, and have a base in the south of spain gibralta. Two of these things could give them air superiority in cyprus and gibralta in about 2-3 hours. To put in perspective the 6 jets in cyprus to this day 2024 still give the UK/NATO gigantic advantage. These seas see no big storms, no hurricanes, the thing can float about in russian protected sea and still hit spain in 6 hours. It would have been game changing, they would have owned the med. As commercia use it is still interesting, but not as interesting. Would be good for commercial projects between France/Spain/Italy for sure. It would make its money back for sure. If it could survive winter trips to Ireland/UK. Ireland has recored a massive freak wave of over 210 foot. But its not common, and I think day to day 20m would be more than enough, but obviously it would require research. If it could go all the way around to rotterdam it would be good too, expossing it to the ocean is risky tho.
Tbh Bartini, his biography and his views on engineering are worth a separate video. Italian who left fascist Italy to work for soviet government only to be imprisoned by it only to become one of the best aircraft engineers in USSR.
У него был самолёт с крылом обратной стреловидности. По тем временам несколько похож на Дуглас, на русском языке назывался Сталь. Куча людей говорили что он вообще летать не должен.
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Are you sure it is not the other way around? Besides, do you understand that a ground effect vehicle sounds pretty simple? Like, wow, good idea? But when you build some, you'll find out, that it has the airplane paradox? You need large engines getting you flying, but once you are flying, these large engines are less efficient at lower power. And switching off equals carrying dead weight. This is my simple version of the dilemma. But the conclusion is, it is far more fuel efficient to use an.... airplane! There is a company in Hamburg building relatively small ones, their engineers have worked hard on keeping the mileage low. Theory of ground effect vehicles looks great, actually designing such a special flying boat is not easy. We'd see them more often, if it were easy and cheap. It is not. The ones that exist, must be either extremely good, or the owners don't mind the fuel consumption. Which can be okay, think about places you get on water only, and you need to be faster then a boat. Such places exist. But my conclusion after seeing some ekranoplan video's is, wow, great concept, but airplanes can do it cheaper. That is why seeing them is an exception. Good, bad, ah, most are Russian, no, it is not what you think. These Russians did a great job, but they can't help the gas bill is huge. For an army vehicle that is no problem, you want to use that vehicle, right? No, engineers have optimized it, and there are some in use. And that was that.
@@voornaam3191 My guy at no point did I say this design was bad, better then anything I can design and in my opinion its very said than many of these concepts never got off the drawing bord/killed in early development
imagine the A-2500 as landing Craft for amphibious Landings with a couple of Ramps for Tanks and so on...sure, still vulnerable against Enemy Fire, but a coast line can be very long, if you have to defend it against such a big one...
The obvious answers to the main problems- nuclear power it, and build a fleet of smaller ekranoplan vessels around it that can keep up with it. As for the landing issue, I'm sure they could design a lifting surface in front of the landing pad elevator to divert the flow of air over and around the landing plane. Goes without saying that it would be a huge commitment of resources though
12 meters? That is higher than most family houses or trees. Could it fly across Arctica? It’s flat ice. And maybe over some forests or suburban areas ?
It's mostly empty inside unlike a actual ship that has many bulkheads to keep it from sinking in case of a torpedo strike or a flood. This thing literally flies over threats.
@@paulfrost8952 The Landkreuzer P. 1000 Ratte. A tank with a battleship gun on top. They also dreamed up an even bigger vehicle called the Landkreuzer P. 1500 Monster, which would basically take the gigantic Schwerer Gustav railgun and make it a tank. Needless to say, both designs never made it off the drawing board, with both projects being cancelled in 1943.
(haven't seen the whole thing) The ekranoplan would fall out of WIG as soon as the elevator door opened. The whole upper surface is more critical to the overall lift than the "Air cushion". It could only 'catch' the fighter (even then the fighters slipstream would unpredictably alter the laminar flow of the upper surface) and scurry to safety, before slowing to a stop to lower the catch into the hull. A take-off of said fighter would have to be done exactly in the reverse proceedure. The jet fighter could even boost the mother ship before it is released.
10:51 I don't agree with that. How can an anti-ship missile hit something moving at over 300mph? My understanding is that anti-ship missiles really can't hit things moving that fast. It's not impossible, but it would require a new kind of missile. In any case, with modern CIWS, I don't think anti-ship missiles would be too much of a problem. In modern times, it's best utilized as a drone carrier, and the drones would provide protection against missiles as well.
Maybe the landing deck could open up behind the aircraft so its not taken by the wind when it stops, Since it will match the speed of the carrier it will essentially come in super slow.
Maritime nations of southeast Asia like Indonesia & the Philippines should explore & revive this tech for their military. Maybe not the carrier, but the overall concept of ground effect vehicle thingy.
That thing would have required a whole bunch of refinement. Someone once said, "If it looks like it will fly, it probably will." That monster just has too much frontal area to overcome. Especially with the turbojet technology of the 1970s. It just looks like a cabover semi truck.
The Soviets had some really cool on-paper designs, but it looks like the first time a jet failed to locked it would tske out the rear command nacelles and crash the whole thing.
Да,есть такой. 3 модели. Солнцепёк называется. 32 термобарические ракеты сжигают всё. Вся органика испаряется. 1 ракета на одно футбольное поле. Считается оборонительным. В городах не применяют.😢
I want someone to design an ekranoplane-aircraft hybrid that has aircraft carrier capability or big enough to be a gunship. If you do, please send me the link to the image/model
Imagine standing on a beach watching this beast thundering towards you. Just when it beaches, towering over you, a small compartment opens and a crude wooden leg protrudes. Kicking you in the nutsack. Then the Russian hymn is blasts.
I'm not quite finished with the video yet, so pardon if this is mentioned BUT this would have been something, to my mind, somewhat begging for a nuclear power plant. Not having to take to the air, it would have solved a lot of the older problems with nuclear powered aircraft while still giving many of the advantages of a nuclear powered aircraft (mainly speed and range, etc)
People are going to hate me for this, but seeing this and a great number of other Soviet vehicles always makes me think the "Rule of Cool" is the primary consideration. The US has had its fair share of bonkers engineering projects, but the Soviets took cool-but-stupid to truly insane levels. I don't know if this was due to the fact that the Soviet government encouraged unconventional approaches to warfare that the West wouldn't consider to gain an edge, or if it was the habit of Soviet engineers to get preposterously drunk before designing these things. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love these massive engineering projects, but I like them for the same reason I like the Axe Cop comics. It's like someone allowed the hyper-creative mind of a child to come up the initial ideas, but then a technically-skilled adult then either draws up the schematics or actually builds the damn thing (again, much like what actually happens with Axe Cop, where a child thinks of all the bizarre stories and characters and then a grown-up puts it to paper).
well, keep in mind, a Soviet engineer having an idea and a project being under serious consideration by the Soviet Union are two very different things, the Bureus had hundreds if not thousands of one off ideas, as far as I can recall, the Soviets weren't completely ready to commit to the full blown carrier, but they did want to see how the initial ASW plane that actually got built would turn out.
@@themanformerlyknownascomme777 Makes sense.The Politburo and the military would definitely look at some of these projects and think "that's going to be stupidly expensive and impractical". I still love that people thought about it though.
Would love to see someone make a small version of this for fun like for 10 people, imagine going flying past some yacht at 300mph :) Or a larger ferry, although i would guess the fuel consumption would be high. But it would be pretty fast.
The fighters or other aircraft would have feet (pads) instead of wheels, and they would land on a huge electromagnet. Wheels could be built into the feet, which would only unlocked or the pads lifted (most likely just turning off the magnet), once the plane was out of the airstream.
1970s Soviet military people carrier: Ekranoplan 1970s Soviet civilian people carrier: Lada People wonder why these wonder projects never got built? There's your answer...
I was in Moscow in winter of 1992. It was minus 20 and almost every car on their busy multi-laned roads was a Lada. There're underrated. Keep it simple, kept them running.
This thing would have made an excellent cargo carrier. Imagine 1/3 of a cargo vessel from Japan to Los Angeles in 10 hours at the cost of an air freight plane.
I wonder how well this sort of ekranoplan would have done in a stormy weather, or rough sea. Doesn´t matter if you "hover" of the sea when there are waves crashing into your "plane" drowning your engines every once in a while.
Could have had almost 0 air resistance by giving launch and landing 2 levels. Launch, not being covered, utilizing wind resistance for takeoff. Landing, covered by an aerodynamic scoop, eliminating resistance for easy landings.
The basic speed advantage of this vessel is perhaps its biggest problem. If aircraft can only take off while the vessel is moving at roughly 300kph, their military utility might be reduced because flying formations would be more difficult to assemble. I imagine it would be difficult to loiter an area at that speed.
Of course everyone loves hearing about the flying aircraft carrier, but that only came about because nobody had interest in it for civil or logistics use. As a progenitor to this, see the Bartini Beriev Be-1, which was along the development of the Bartini Beriev VVA-14. In a similar line, see the Beriev Be-5000: 5k ton GEV / airplane. Alexander Lippisch had similar designs for huge GEVs
I dont see how the jets could launch after the first one takes off. The big vessel gets up to speed, say 300 kmph, a jet fighter could be ready on top with engine on ready to go. After it takes off youve got to drop the elevator and then raise it with another jet fighter ready. The thing is, the big vessel isnt slowing down to enable a change of fighter. It stays steady right? Think of the difficulties in getting the next fighter launched. Thats a lot of windspeed to deal with. How do you keep the fighter from being blown off till it reaches launch thrust?
If I remember well, thr Ekranoplane problem was stability and control. You needed some mething at keast as good as a Tornado TFR to fly the thing on anything more moved than the dead sea in August...
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i cant im sorr but love you videos tho you should make other planes
immagine this monster on a alinen world... i hope future generacions will think on this UwU
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300 km hr on water ? no way lol.
Soviet approach to stealth: Build something unpredictable, approaching from an angle nobody thought about at a speed they didn't expect.
Or not even existing
Yet their true stealth military equipment is quite powerful
@@DennisDinges Yes, it's so powerful that even they can't find enough of them to risk deploying them outside of airshows.
@@drewbydoobydoo2918 On the other hand, the USA deployed it's stealth bombers in Yugoslavia and one got shot down by a 1960's AA system. So, eh?
@@ravenouself4181 it sure did, but they made some real mistakes and learned from it. Bonb bay doors open too long, same flight path every day, mole on the ground informing take-off time. Haven't lost a stealth craft since. Plus, we can actually build stealth aircraft in meaningful numbers.
Soviet experimental stuff looks either futuristic or almost alien sometimes...
this is what happens if engineers are the highest class in society . 😂
That’s what happens when workers are able to afford living
I`ll bet China are working on one as we speak
cosmonauts in bast shoes - a caricature in a newspaper during perestroika.
Oh please do not even start
once again, the Soviet tells us that they loved to build something massive with unusual shape / design
If you have a sea surrounded by land you want to defend it so sometimes the unusual look is the con of function
Yeah massive an impractical... how the hell could those jets land lol.
And that never worked well 🙂
They love it because it's really suited their massive ego..... especially over confidence of Baltic fleet in 1904 that firing it's gun over 20 minutes over fishing boat 😅
@@Mrmizzy55In the sea. They just slow down
Next week: The Russian Death Star.
It the Nazi kamikaze jet
@@MrCessna408 what
@@majklknight7455 the next video after this one was about Nazi Kamikaze jet
@@MrCessna408they already have that exept it’s a remote- controlled
Yea, we have one...
Man the whole ekranoplan concept is so awesome
I want to like but it’s at 69 likes
@@Jojoswhacknow it is no longer 69 likes so you can like it.
На самом деле это тупиковая ветвь развития. Именно по этом от нее отказались в своё время. Но выглядит впечатляюще 😊
No, its a fully disfunctional non-solution to a problem they didn't have...
Why ?
The most excentric soviet aerospace engineer
IN THE WORLD
you haven't seen anything yet
in the universe even.
"eccentric" which means "off-center"
Read it in Clarkson's voice!
@@9999AWC who is Clarkson?
Engineer: 😁
Mechanics: 💀
I'm a mechatronics Technician yet I see how many parts on this would fail
@@LastGoatKnight in salt water 💀💀💀
@@aguywhodoesstuff1116 carbon fibre blades and titanium parts for the jet engine
Daa
At least engineers are somewhat reasonable, unlike ahem *architects* ahem.
There's something inherently funny about applying the word "stealthy" to a vehicle the size of a shopping mall powered by ten jet engines. XD
It was stealthy
@@jimmynolet3752😂😂😂 so is a cement mixer 😂😂😂
@@d.i.l.l.i.g.a.f.594 over the water targets are hard to hit just ask Russia that those drones are similar not only that this was fast and able to deliver a lot of equipment in a little time compared to anyone else
@@jimmynolet3752 there's reason we don't see these in action is all I'm saying. how do they land the jets ? And taking off how do they stop them sliding off before the jet gets up to speed ?
@@d.i.l.l.i.g.a.f.594 Considering its theater of operation was mostly Soviet controlled anyway, I imagine the fighters would land at conventional airstrips after scaring off/killing the bogies.
Landing a fast jet on that thing would be a _trip._
It would be quite easy since there is less difference in speed compared to a ship. However you CANNOT *land* on it if it's going fast (over 350 or 400kmh) because the plane wings would produce too much lift to properly stay put. However this also means you could put as much stuff on the plane as you want on takeoff since the plane will already be above stall speed.
@@antoniohagopian213 If you had a landing pad shielded from the wind by putting a windscreen on the top as the plane came to land it would suddenly be out of the air flow, probably would be a crazy landing though :)
@@antoniohagopian213 Granted, but how would you actually capture the aircraft? That'd be the hard part.
@@ATomRileyAthats an accident waiting to happen. Plane should just match speed and touch down at speed and once hooked on the mothership. Smash down the stick for max downforce.
Various "flying airbase" designs have been proposed, and even tried, like the XF-88 Goblin in America. Always the difficulty is getting the aircraft back once it has been deployed.
Robert Bartini drank way too much Martinis with this one
Underrated comment 😂
Why this comment have only 50 likes? 🤨
Ahahahah 😂
Then started "Bartinis Martinis" 😝
Thought it was Vodka 🤣
I thought our prototypes where crazy
Ekranoplan being normal? Make it more soviet товарищ
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Being invisible to radar would probably be useless with 6-10 turbofans roaring at the enemy 😂
True, unless it operated miles away😂
That thing would operate beyond the radio horizon hundred nautical miles away from enemy just like other aircraft carriers.
*Hundreds
At distances which you could hear it - you could see it with your own eyes, soooo
@@arsenyjsharov2239 And it would still get blown up by a Ukrainian jetski drone 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I was wondering just now, is Thunderbird 2 design gets its design from The Ekranoplan???
No it's the other way round.
@@bassetdad437 I have a Soviet magazine from 1966, where a Bartini ekranoplan is depicted.
better not stall an engine due to water inteake fram a wave or so because a disruption of the pillow effect would make it the vessel do basicly a 600mph water crashlanding ...
No problem for a sturdy vessel/carft. And everything is sturdy in Russia.
@@andy99ishon land maybe but not when it comes to boats.
Have you ever stuck your hand out the window going down the interstate? The fighter aircraft would blow away as soon as it came out of the elevator.
True. It would have to have fire-through latches or the equivalent. Hold down quick disconnects at least. Hate to do maintenance on that system; on the fighter or mothership.
Maybe they slow down to launch, like a convertible car.
(haven't seen th wole thing) The ekranoplan would fall out of WIG as soon as the elevator door opened. The whole upper surface is more critical to lift than the "Air cushion". It could only 'catch' the fighter (even then the fighters slipstream would unpredictably alter the laminar flow of the upper surface) and scurry to safety, before slowing to a stop to lower the catch into the hull. A take-off of said fighter would have to be done exactly in the reverse proceedure. The jet fighter could even boost the mother ship before it is released🤔
If I was the navy officer who had to draft a concept of operations (conops) for this, I'd have the fighters land at airbases after performing their missions, not on the ekranoplan carrier (with the obvious exception of emergencies landings). The carrier is basically used as a "booster rocket" to bring the fighters within striking distance of their targets- not as versatile as a conventional carrier, but considering its obvious limitations, I think that's the best use for it.
And since aircrafts don't have to work to gain lift at all, they might be significantly overloaded with payload and fuel
Ah yes, the times when you're given some vanity project you never asked for by top brass and now it's your job to make it work...
Russians out there be designing concepts to surpass Metal Gear
Ace combat developer: Write that down, write it down now.
Yep😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
You mean, there's still not one such machine in the Ace Combat series?
@@BluntEversmoke None that look like that one, i would look grate in a ace combat zero remake.
Another problem is the planes can't take off or land unless the thing is cruising at 500mph. That may not be feasible in a battlefield situation.
Completely whack.
I think you have mph and km/h mixed up
imagine calculating fighter range, return rendezvous and landing.
Hold ya horse's you need a fact check. Update your verbal diarrhoea.
Exactly, especially since those aircraft are its only defense screen, this thing would have to be at top speed all the time in a war scenario.
If it swapped the planes with nuclear short/mid-range ballistic missiles, dashing past enemy fleets close to US coastlines, that would at least require those speeds only for a short time.
From a theoretical and purely theoretical this is a good idea on practice however oh my good I shudder to contemplate the maintenance costs on that thing
Союз был затратной штукой, но деньги на это все как ни странно, но были...
@@Barmaley80x it didn't have enough to win the Cold War that's why it lost
@@sdoo-ou2ni ну конечно, в каждом доме Америки свой печатный станок. Как уж тут победишь.
@@Barmaley80x Well, of course, every home in America has its own printing press. How can you win here?
Did this translate correctly
@@sdoo-ou2ni America has not lost any battle with Vietnam. But didn't win anything good.
That's some Thunderbirds stuff right there! 😁
Thunderbird 2
im sure there are very good reasons Ekranoplans/ground effect craft weren't further developed. but this is probably the future im most upset we never got.
Actually USSR had 5 ekranoplans in service (A-90 Orlyonok). 1 such carrier could drop 200 marines or 2 tanks in about a minute and then just dissapear at 500 km speed. Orlyonok could even just fly away like an airplane at an altitude of 3 km.
There were rumors among Navy members that in the late 80s, ekranoplans were disposed of at the request of the Americans. Which may be true, because the head of the KGB at the same time, on Gorbachev’s orders, leaked the unique wiretapping system of the US Embassy to the CIA.
Веская причина только одна. Вмешательство США. По требованию США программа разработки была прекращена. Заказ на постройку уже принятых на вооружение образцов "Орленок" аннулирован. А причина в том что США экранопланы так и не смогли разработать. И несмотря на попытки США завладеть проектной документацией по этой теме, у них ничего не получилось. После закрытия КБ конструкторы большую часть документации уничтожили, а то что осталось , спрятали в личных архивах.
@@personperson2884 actually Ekranoplans can't move with middle sea disturbance.
Also, they are too loudly and need too very fuel especially with 0,8-,9M speed.
So, that's like Concord, very interesting engineering solution but very unuseful.
I saw a model of an ekranoplan zooming on a lake near my town. It was cool to watch.
cool
The graphics for this video are fantastic. Job well done!
This thing was first conceived in the 1960s?
Now we know where Gerry Anderson got the idea for Thunderbird 2.🤔
Or did the Russians get the idea from Gerry Anderson’s? It could be what I remember people in the 80’s calling “spontaneous collective thought”.
Man, the renders are brilliant - and the table with photographs too. Great work!
thing i've always wondered is the fuel efficiency in ground effect vs traditional aircraft at altitude.
Примерно по подушке создаваемой таким воздушным кораблем можно оценить. Явно экраноплан имеет свой вес, да ещё мобилизуемой техники. Опустим эффективность в стандартном понимании, но общая грузоподъёмность или полётный вес тут явно раз в пять выше самолёта. Плотность воздуха в приземной части максимальная, перерасход горючки из-за большего числа двигателей, никуда не деть. Максимум эта штука жрет в пару раз больше самолёта. Но самолёт у тебя не утащит такой вес. И я также полагаю, что те двигатели не самые экономичные, ибо много придумано чего после, и потому у такой конструкции ещё есть куда развиваться. Как итог он может вполне иметь определенные несомненные преимущества перед самолётом.
Ground effect vehicles could be useful as research or resupply missions for not only effectively but also cargo or equipment size and on alien planets the research abilities would be amazing
Alien planets with a heavy atmosphere; how many have we discovered other than our own? Umm…. none.
@@jefreagan actually we have found many Ocean planets with a thick enough atmosphere for GEVs to be useful so actually to your research before you try putting someone's opinion down
I'm kinda skeptical about it's use in the military. On the other hand, I think it would be very useful for transport and commercial use. It would be able to deliver goods and people around the world way quicker than any cargo ship ever can. Win-win.
More use in military. UK keep 6 jets on cyprus, and have a base in the south of spain gibralta. Two of these things could give them air superiority in cyprus and gibralta in about 2-3 hours. To put in perspective the 6 jets in cyprus to this day 2024 still give the UK/NATO gigantic advantage. These seas see no big storms, no hurricanes, the thing can float about in russian protected sea and still hit spain in 6 hours. It would have been game changing, they would have owned the med. As commercia use it is still interesting, but not as interesting. Would be good for commercial projects between France/Spain/Italy for sure. It would make its money back for sure. If it could survive winter trips to Ireland/UK. Ireland has recored a massive freak wave of over 210 foot. But its not common, and I think day to day 20m would be more than enough, but obviously it would require research. If it could go all the way around to rotterdam it would be good too, expossing it to the ocean is risky tho.
Tbh Bartini, his biography and his views on engineering are worth a separate video. Italian who left fascist Italy to work for soviet government only to be imprisoned by it only to become one of the best aircraft engineers in USSR.
У него был самолёт с крылом обратной стреловидности. По тем временам несколько похож на Дуглас, на русском языке назывался Сталь. Куча людей говорили что он вообще летать не должен.
I’m just think that it is such a large target for a missile
Fancy doing 500 mph and copping a missile in the side and it turning into a giant fireball
What a mad thing. Looks like something on Thunderbirds.
This guy is the reason why we don’t need to waste money on Nebula to watch mustard. Exact same style of content, better animations and better storytelling for *free*
Mustard probably thinks he has the better researched material. But I don’t see it.
@shasame (user has since deleted their comment claiming this channel copies mustard)
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@@FoundAndExplainedyou could do a pin of shame for people like this like I've seen on a police video channel...😈
One screw up taking off or landing planes could be catastrophic.
so like all carriers
Ekranoplan on steroids lmao
Excellent, very well created visualisations and nicely balanced information! Highly professional! Thanks!
This is so in the universe of 'Thunderbirds Are Go'.
The Soviets ripping of the Venator with the dual command centres sticking out the top lol
Are you sure it is not the other way around? Besides, do you understand that a ground effect vehicle sounds pretty simple? Like, wow, good idea? But when you build some, you'll find out, that it has the airplane paradox? You need large engines getting you flying, but once you are flying, these large engines are less efficient at lower power. And switching off equals carrying dead weight. This is my simple version of the dilemma. But the conclusion is, it is far more fuel efficient to use an.... airplane! There is a company in Hamburg building relatively small ones, their engineers have worked hard on keeping the mileage low. Theory of ground effect vehicles looks great, actually designing such a special flying boat is not easy. We'd see them more often, if it were easy and cheap. It is not. The ones that exist, must be either extremely good, or the owners don't mind the fuel consumption. Which can be okay, think about places you get on water only, and you need to be faster then a boat. Such places exist. But my conclusion after seeing some ekranoplan video's is, wow, great concept, but airplanes can do it cheaper. That is why seeing them is an exception. Good, bad, ah, most are Russian, no, it is not what you think. These Russians did a great job, but they can't help the gas bill is huge. For an army vehicle that is no problem, you want to use that vehicle, right? No, engineers have optimized it, and there are some in use. And that was that.
@@voornaam3191 My guy at no point did I say this design was bad, better then anything I can design and in my opinion its very said than many of these concepts never got off the drawing bord/killed in early development
imagine the A-2500 as landing Craft for amphibious Landings with a couple of Ramps for Tanks and so on...sure, still vulnerable against Enemy Fire, but a coast line can be very long, if you have to defend it against such a big one...
The obvious answers to the main problems- nuclear power it, and build a fleet of smaller ekranoplan vessels around it that can keep up with it. As for the landing issue, I'm sure they could design a lifting surface in front of the landing pad elevator to divert the flow of air over and around the landing plane. Goes without saying that it would be a huge commitment of resources though
Science fiction.
Looks like something Larry,Curly &Moe would build.
Fantastic CGI!!! You had me fooled for a bit!!!! SUBSCRIBED!!!!
12 meters? That is higher than most family houses or trees. Could it fly across Arctica? It’s flat ice. And maybe over some forests or suburban areas ?
It docks in Florida at a place called Mar-A-Lago.
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@@dropway9108 TDS is a he'll of a thing
with WHAT kind of Ekranoplans?????????
12:08
Hold up wait a minute,a musturd video on TH-cam?
That’s what I was thinking. Mustard did it four years ago and real engineering did it five years ago.
Pack it up boys! Nobody is allowed to ever cover this topic again! @@ttrestle
@@ttrestle I saw the topic of the video and I thought didn't Musturd do a video on this thing
@@Eidolon1andOnly yes the youtube channel "Mustard"
what song is played at 8:12
There is no way that thing is *only* 2500 ton.
It's mostly empty inside unlike a actual ship that has many bulkheads to keep it from sinking in case of a torpedo strike or a flood. This thing literally flies over threats.
Десяток Боингов, неужели это совсем мало?
I think the ekranoplan needs to weigh a million tons, probably it will be the size of a city
Excellent graphics and stills. First class work on an interesting subject.
The Soviet’s tied with the Germans for their insane vehicle designs.
I can’t remember what they called it, but Hitler got his Nazi war machine department to build a tank so big it basically couldn’t go anywhere.
@@paulfrost8952 The Landkreuzer P. 1000 Ratte. A tank with a battleship gun on top. They also dreamed up an even bigger vehicle called the Landkreuzer P. 1500 Monster, which would basically take the gigantic Schwerer Gustav railgun and make it a tank.
Needless to say, both designs never made it off the drawing board, with both projects being cancelled in 1943.
@@GlamorousTitanic21 thanks👍
(haven't seen the whole thing) The ekranoplan would fall out of WIG as soon as the elevator door opened. The whole upper surface is more critical to the overall lift than the "Air cushion". It could only 'catch' the fighter (even then the fighters slipstream would unpredictably alter the laminar flow of the upper surface) and scurry to safety, before slowing to a stop to lower the catch into the hull. A take-off of said fighter would have to be done exactly in the reverse proceedure. The jet fighter could even boost the mother ship before it is released.
Someone gives that dude a medal for insanity. This is - crazy.
Thanks!
Huge thank you buddy! I will use this to get a coffee today and write the next video
10:51 I don't agree with that. How can an anti-ship missile hit something moving at over 300mph? My understanding is that anti-ship missiles really can't hit things moving that fast. It's not impossible, but it would require a new kind of missile. In any case, with modern CIWS, I don't think anti-ship missiles would be too much of a problem. In modern times, it's best utilized as a drone carrier, and the drones would provide protection against missiles as well.
Ecranoplanos são incríveis, eu amo ecranoplanos.
Maybe the landing deck could open up behind the aircraft so its not taken by the wind when it stops, Since it will match the speed of the carrier it will essentially come in super slow.
Maritime nations of southeast Asia like Indonesia & the Philippines should explore & revive this tech for their military. Maybe not the carrier, but the overall concept of ground effect vehicle thingy.
Australia could also benefit from GEVs maybe like missile trucks or cargo vehicles for resupply
@@hilarybrown2271Maybe something not military...
That thing would have required a whole bunch of refinement. Someone once said, "If it looks like it will fly, it probably will." That monster just has too much frontal area to overcome. Especially with the turbojet technology of the 1970s. It just looks like a cabover semi truck.
The Soviets had some really cool on-paper designs, but it looks like the first time a jet failed to locked it would tske out the rear command nacelles and crash the whole thing.
wow the vehicle flies over the water, it looks strong and powerful, a beautiful design, thank you for sharing
0:16 LOL doesn't look like a VTOL
You forget about the air speed of the mother aircraft, you don’t need a runway if you are already travelling at takeoff speeds
Nintendo just called. They want their Star Fox ship back.
Soviets really got some interesting ideas, still the funniest ive seen is rocket assisted tank
Say what now?
I was always impressed by the dogs with anti tank mines stuck on their back. Soviets are really outside the box thinkers.
Да,есть такой. 3 модели. Солнцепёк называется. 32 термобарические ракеты сжигают всё. Вся органика испаряется. 1 ракета на одно футбольное поле. Считается оборонительным. В городах не применяют.😢
I want someone to design an ekranoplane-aircraft hybrid that has aircraft carrier capability or big enough to be a gunship. If you do, please send me the link to the image/model
Average Soviet engineering :
Imagine standing on a beach watching this beast thundering towards you. Just when it beaches, towering over you, a small compartment opens and a crude wooden leg protrudes. Kicking you in the nutsack. Then the Russian hymn is blasts.
I'm not quite finished with the video yet, so pardon if this is mentioned BUT this would have been something, to my mind, somewhat begging for a nuclear power plant. Not having to take to the air, it would have solved a lot of the older problems with nuclear powered aircraft while still giving many of the advantages of a nuclear powered aircraft (mainly speed and range, etc)
People are going to hate me for this, but seeing this and a great number of other Soviet vehicles always makes me think the "Rule of Cool" is the primary consideration.
The US has had its fair share of bonkers engineering projects, but the Soviets took cool-but-stupid to truly insane levels. I don't know if this was due to the fact that the Soviet government encouraged unconventional approaches to warfare that the West wouldn't consider to gain an edge, or if it was the habit of Soviet engineers to get preposterously drunk before designing these things.
Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love these massive engineering projects, but I like them for the same reason I like the Axe Cop comics. It's like someone allowed the hyper-creative mind of a child to come up the initial ideas, but then a technically-skilled adult then either draws up the schematics or actually builds the damn thing (again, much like what actually happens with Axe Cop, where a child thinks of all the bizarre stories and characters and then a grown-up puts it to paper).
well, keep in mind, a Soviet engineer having an idea and a project being under serious consideration by the Soviet Union are two very different things, the Bureus had hundreds if not thousands of one off ideas, as far as I can recall, the Soviets weren't completely ready to commit to the full blown carrier, but they did want to see how the initial ASW plane that actually got built would turn out.
@@themanformerlyknownascomme777 Makes sense.The Politburo and the military would definitely look at some of these projects and think "that's going to be stupidly expensive and impractical". I still love that people thought about it though.
Yeah I think the turbulence of the air flow over the primary body would tremendously hamper or affect a plane trying to take off in it
Would love to see someone make a small version of this for fun like for 10 people, imagine going flying past some yacht at 300mph :)
Or a larger ferry, although i would guess the fuel consumption would be high. But it would be pretty fast.
Make a RC model version of it 😂
It sure would be an interesting model and fun to drive
Some guy in Australia made one in the 90s but it didn’t get developed.
They are made.
The fighters or other aircraft would have feet (pads) instead of wheels, and they would land on a huge electromagnet. Wheels could be built into the feet, which would only unlocked or the pads lifted (most likely just turning off the magnet), once the plane was out of the airstream.
LOL then you look at what they could actually build, the cursed Admiral Kuznetzov, and all these crazy designs were just fever dreams.
Ekranoplans are so interesting to me, I'm glad someone made such a great video about them!
1970s Soviet military people carrier: Ekranoplan
1970s Soviet civilian people carrier: Lada
People wonder why these wonder projects never got built? There's your answer...
I was in Moscow in winter of 1992. It was minus 20 and almost every car on their busy multi-laned roads was a Lada. There're underrated.
Keep it simple, kept them running.
This thing would have made an excellent cargo carrier. Imagine 1/3 of a cargo vessel from Japan to Los Angeles in 10 hours at the cost of an air freight plane.
Just make it bigger, no limit.
1st😊
Today it rest at coordinates: 41°56'24.1"N 48°22'41.8"E
Russian nonsense. The Soviet project 903-Lun is rotting 20 km from Derbent.
video idea: what if the f-35 was a passenger plane LOL 🤣🤣🤣🤣
MiG 21 foxbat as a private jet was a real concept
imagine that thing carrying cargo or passengers instead
How do you take off or land when the mothership is not moving... massive flaw unless the fighters are VTOL or VSTOL.
I wonder how well this sort of ekranoplan would have done in a stormy weather, or rough sea. Doesn´t matter if you "hover" of the sea when there are waves crashing into your "plane" drowning your engines every once in a while.
Could have had almost 0 air resistance by giving launch and landing 2 levels. Launch, not being covered, utilizing wind resistance for takeoff. Landing, covered by an aerodynamic scoop, eliminating resistance for easy landings.
Cool vid! Is that CGI or Text to video?
doesnt the water get into the engine if there is high waves then xplod the jet engine
The basic speed advantage of this vessel is perhaps its biggest problem. If aircraft can only take off while the vessel is moving at roughly 300kph, their military utility might be reduced because flying formations would be more difficult to assemble. I imagine it would be difficult to loiter an area at that speed.
I'm an aviation junkie, and I've never ever heard of this behemoth of a plane/vessel before. This is wild!
Of course everyone loves hearing about the flying aircraft carrier, but that only came about because nobody had interest in it for civil or logistics use.
As a progenitor to this, see the Bartini Beriev Be-1, which was along the development of the Bartini Beriev VVA-14.
In a similar line, see the Beriev Be-5000: 5k ton GEV / airplane.
Alexander Lippisch had similar designs for huge GEVs
I dont see how the jets could launch after the first one takes off. The big vessel gets up to speed, say 300 kmph, a jet fighter could be ready on top with engine on ready to go. After it takes off youve got to drop the elevator and then raise it with another jet fighter ready. The thing is, the big vessel isnt slowing down to enable a change of fighter. It stays steady right? Think of the difficulties in getting the next fighter launched. Thats a lot of windspeed to deal with. How do you keep the fighter from being blown off till it reaches launch thrust?
Clamps?. The ship is literally a catapult. The planes would take off vertically at that windspeed
I wonder if those engineers had issues with exterior door locks to affect that aerodynamic bubble
If I remember well, thr Ekranoplane problem was stability and control.
You needed some mething at keast as good as a Tornado TFR to fly the thing on anything more moved than the dead sea in August...
Having to be moving at high speed for launching and recovering planes is pretty problematic unless you’re out in really open ocean
Wow, that's stonking. And when it gets a bit choppy what happens?
This is even crazier than the Caspian Sea Monster ekranoplane ... never heard of this beast before
So this is where Sea Dragon from Avatar 2 got idea from right?
Just imagine the possibility, the images look so good. Doesn’t have to be for war
Imagine the kinetic energy involved with something weighing 2500 Tons moving at 500km/h, it’s incredible
If you never said it was like "riding on a bubble" I wouldn't have a clue what it was like. Thankfully I have riden on many a bubbles in my lifetime so I knew EXACTLY what you meant. Thanks
What's holding that jet on the deck with 300 km/h wind hitting it?
For the 3d rendering you should’ve put a modern aircraft carrier next to it for size comparison
non-CGI version available for viewing? every single frame looks rendered