So if the prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) asks for title to be erased by Ali (may Allah be pleased with him), this makes that person a deviant Sahaba? Ofcourse not, it's a mistake out of wrong opinion, Omar (may Allah be pleased with him) was referring to RasulAllah (SAW)'s severe sickness and this was his reasoning and wrong opinion, which is a mistake just like the former.
The Messenger, may God bless him and grant him peace, was on his deathbed and was very stressed, and Omar Ibn Al-Khattab, may God be pleased with him, wanted him to rest.
Right? No sources, all excuses and speculation. The more I watch these types of videos trying to counter the teachings of Shiasm, the stronger my faith in it becomes.
@@hf8547 He doesn't have to provide sources since the source you use backfires at you. Ali didn't bring the pen and paper, Ali disobeyed the prophet, Ali isn't infallible, Shiism is false.
Replace Ali(as) with Umar (LA) in your sentences. Disrespected gods greatest creation in the Prophet pbuh and attempted an assassination and you worship him and his daughter more than Allah and Muhammad astaghfurallah. Subhan Allah you have the protectors of umayads who killed the prophets bloodline and the protectors of the prophet and his family. Fear god.
Ali slept in Prophets bed when Prophet made the Hijra to protect the Faith while Umar fled from the wars, WHY? Explanation will be appreciated for your argument @@abhmd4481
So the Prophet a literal messenger of Allah alive in front of you asks for a pen and paper to write something that WILL NOT LEAD YOU ASTRAY. Yet you call him seriously ill and say the quran is enough. There is no excuse for that. Why would you ever reject something this important especially before the death of Rasool Allah
Why would the man RA who fought in the name of Allah and His Prophet SAWW, who gave his daughter to Rasullullah SAWW, who killed his own family members for oppressing his Islamic coreligionists, who would follow The Prophet SAWW's teachings even if they sometimes didn't make sense to him, who rejected his(SAWW) death, even threatening people's lives for acknowledging his death before Abu Bakr RA consoled him, do so for anything other than a fear for the Prophet's SAWW health while he was seriously ill and they hoped against hope that he would get better? What if he believed that he(SAWW) would be able to give such a message at a better time? Is it kufr to have concern for the Messenger SAWW and hope for a better time for the message?
what do you mean say the message at another time, in gahdeer the prophet said i am leaving this world so how else can he give the message, he would simply if omar would just shut up for a sec and do something like smack abu huraira or question the prophet then questioning abu bakr the prophet would have easily given by a pen paper and not only that THEY ANGERED THE PROPHET AND TOLD THEM GET UP AND LEAVE. its like the prophet smiled when he said that.@@ibrahimihsan2090
@@Ishi1XP No it doesn't. Is this really what you Shi'ites are taught? I understand that the words of a prophet are very important but we have to consider that he(SAWW) was human and that people would worry about his health at the time. We have little reason to believe they thought he was about to die(in fact, he may have died a few days later) so it is easy to argue that Umar RA was simply concerned for his health and hoped the Prophet SAWW would give his message at a later time. Also, can you curb your conspiracy theories and at the very least acknowledge that when it comes to this Sunni hadith, the Prophet SAWW wasn't talking about succession but about certain Islamic rulings, most of which he eventually got the chance to inform them about?
5:43 totally weak argument. He said: The Qur'an is enough not "wait until you(oh prophet) get better" or "until the prophet gets better". It Simply doesnt work.
It says in the beginning, "the prophet may peace and blessings be upon him is seriously ill", and then adds that in after, why would he say the prophet is seriously ill if his opinion was only that only the Quran is sufficient for all of time even after him becoming better? It was a wrong opinion of his and a mistake like any human, but you unfortunately will take this as evidence but not the other praises of Umar Al Farooq (Allah be pleases with him).
@@kaiquecrisostomo846Then why did he have to bring up the prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) being severely ill? It would be pointless according to your narrative because he should have just said "tHe Quran is enough". Handwaving is not a proper response. How about when Ali (may Allah be pleased with him) did said "no" to RasulAllah (SAW) and did not erase what he commanded? You will give a good twist to that, but not to this due to your bias?
@@everythingandroidois You disobey RasoolAllah to his face then claim this person was great enough to be prophet! That is where your & farid logic is at gutter level
the prophet pbuh lived for 3 more days, and even gave a sermon in which he said what he would've wrote. so you majoosis stay coping, because you got no evidence for Ali's successorship after the prophet and the infallibility of the 12 ''imams.''
Narrated by Aisha (may Allah be pleased with her): "When Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) was in his last illness, he asked for a sheet (to cover his body), and he wore it as a garment; then he fainted and, when he recovered consciousness, he asked for a pen and a paper and wrote, 'Write: No one has the right to be worshipped but Allah; and Muhammad is His Messenger.' " (Sahih al-Bukhari, Book 64, Hadith 468)
Amazing how the Shi'a claim to love Ali, yet interpret hadith to portray him as a coward incapable of standing up to Umar. Here we have Umar somehow stopping the guidance of the Ummah, and Ali's just letting it happen? A bit like the lies about Fatima's house. Again, Ali, the infallible Imam and praised warrior, fails to stand up for what is right.
Wallahi this Hadith was a turning point for me. I was brought up into a Sunni household (Deoband school). After I read this Hadith in front of my own eyes from Bukhari (I still remember it vividly. It was Ramadan and I went to pray taraweeh at Shah Faisal Mosque back then in Islamabad, Pakistan. Went to the library and read that with my own eyes). From that day onward I am a proud follower of Ahlulbayt school of thought. Your arguments or repose to Ammar didn’t make any sense. The bottom line is that The last prophet of Allah (which do not speak form his own whims and desires, rather whatever the prophet says is from Allah) he was disobeyed. Umar Ibn Khattab et al., did not let prophet put his will to writing so ummah doesn’t go astray. And indeed, from that day onward, Muslims have strayed. What an unfortunate event, Ibn abbas says and cried while narrating this. That messenger of Allah was prevented from writing his will! Alas.
Towards the end of his sermon, the Prophet asked "O people, have I faithfully delivered unto you my message?" A powerful murmur of assents "O Allah! yes!"arose from thousands of pilgrims and the vibrant words "Allahumma Na'm," rolled like thunder throughout the valley.
@@aksjcre8 Towards the end of his sermon, the Prophet asked "O people, have I faithfully delivered unto you my message?" A powerful murmur of assents "O Allah! yes!"arose from thousands of pilgrims and the vibrant words "Allahumma Na'm," rolled like thunder throughout the valley.
Answer my questions so your admitting sayidna Ali ra refused an order of the prophet saas? It’s ok when sayidna Ali ra does it but when sayidna Umar ra does it it’s a problem. Do you know that sayidna Ali ra was in the room when all this was going on? Why didn’t he get involved and bring him the pen and paper? Did he also sin? Believe me if the the prophet saas wanted that pen and paper he would of got it. Do you know that the prophet saas was taken to the mimbar before he died to deliver a very important speech to the people so he had the chance to say anything he wanted to say on the mimbar which was the largest gathering of the sahaba if he wanted to deliver that message why wouldn’t he deliver it to the sahaba on that day? He even said Towards the end of his sermon, the Prophet asked "O people, have I faithfully delivered unto you my message?" A powerful murmur of assents "O Allah! yes!"arose from thousands of pilgrims and the vibrant words "Allahumma Na'm," rolled like thunder throughout the valley. Do you believe there is anything missing from religion because of this Hadith that the prophet saas said bring me the pen and paper otherwise you will go astray? If you do your saying that Allah swt sent the prophet saas and couldn’t deliver his message to the people instead they ended up being astray so that means the prophet saas failed as a prophet in your eyes.
Oh ok. So according to u the incident of Ghadeer e khum never happened before the Holy Prophet pbuh passed away? He didn't announce his successor before? The incident of hadees e kisaa never happened where Allah said he has kept all types of impurities away from the ahlulbayt?? And said that they cannot ever commit a sin, let alone talk back to the Holy Prophet. Secondly i dont understand why u defend someone who has been a kafir for 40 years and only accepted islam out of fear of being killed. Then he angered the only remaining daughter of the Holy Prophet pbuh, burned her door, pushed it upon her, killed the Child in her womb (this is all in ur books btw) and she died angry with him and abu bakr I mean, seriously, to what level will u go to in defending him? As if speaking above the Messenger of Allah is not enough, let alone calling him delirious nauzobillah. U will even throw ur own prophet under the bus for defending a fallible human being?? Astaghfirullah To anyone reading this i advise u to plz watch the whole video of Dr Ammar and then decide which side u r on. MY PROPHET PBUH IS THE GREATEST AND MOST COMPLETE CREATION OF GOD, WHETHER IN SICKNESS OR IN HEALTH. WHETHER IN PAIN OR NOT. I HAVE BEEN TOLD TO OBEY HIM REGARDLESS OF HIS HEALTH CONDITIONS. THEN WHO THE HELL IS OMAR TO DECIDE WHAT HE SHOULD AND SHOULDN'T DO??!
Accepted islam out of fear of being smited, no authentic evidence. "Burned her door, pushed it upon her, ...", not authentic according to shia and sunni sources, sorry. Didn't say he specifically called him delerious in the source. The incident of the pen and paper was a mistake because Omar (RA) made a mistake in his opinion of thinking he (SAW) was too sick to do it and should wait until after but you will use this as evidence against Omar (RA) and disregard the same sources showing Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) praising him. He is not infallible though. "The Prophet said, "Among the nation of Bani Israel who lived before you, there were men who used to be inspired with guidance though they were not prophets, and if there is any of such persons amongst my followers, it is 'Umar."" - Sahih Bukhari And many others, but you will deny ofcourse. How much more can you lie about Omar Al Farooq (Allah be pleased with him). As for the other topics about Imama, you can watch Mohammed Hijab's londoniyya on Shiasm where he goes over Imama and the understandings and evidences and weak evidences used.
Ohh so sahih bukhari and muslim are not authentic sunni books?? Wonder why they are called sahih then Just answer me this: did omar know more than the Prophet pbuh?? Did he come with the book of Allah? Was he the messenger? If your Prophet pbuh is telling u to bring Him pbuh something, would you ever deny him? Was he asking for a knife?? No. Just a pen and paper. The thing is: sunnis have associated the hypocrite sahabas with their own identity. So questioning them is like questioning your whole life and everything u have believed uptil now. I get it. Its hard. But not if u love the truth. And actually want to seek out the true path. Please brush up on ur islamic history and then decide whats right and wrong. That alone will be enough for u
@@PsychedOutSoulDon't play sarcastic as you provided no evidence for the counterclaims I made, you said, "burned her (Fatima may Allah be pleased with her) door, pushed it upon her, and smited the baby"... Go ahead and show me this in the two sahih books please, if not please stay quiet because you are just parroting other shia people and doing blind following of your shia clerics without properly looking in. As for the issue pertaining to Omar Al-Farooq (may Allah be pleased with him), I told you that he made a mistake in his judgment in thinking it was a better decision to not happen as Prophet Muhammad (may peace and blessings be upon him) was very sick. I also showed you the same source, sahih bukhari, showing Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) praising Omar (RA) but I know you guys will reject that because you cherry pick. Again, on the issue of Imama please check out Mohammed Hijab as he addresses this on "londoniyya shiaism".
Allah would never choose a Prophet who always ran away from battles. Who used to drink even after islam (also in muslim and bukhari), who was kicked out by the Prophet on his deathbed, a whole ayah was revealed for him that do not raise ur voices above the voice of the Prophet pbuh bcz if u do that, every good deed u have ever done will become zero. (surah hujarat) Go and read ur tafaseer. That ayah is about omar and abu bakr. Apni books parhi nai hoteen aise hi behas karne aa jate hain And I'll say it again The incident of the door is mentioned in both ur books. Khud mehnat kar k Google karlo I'm not gonna spoonfeed u
@@PsychedOutSoul Answer my questions so your admitting sayidna Ali ra refused an order of the prophet saas? It’s ok when sayidna Ali ra does it but when sayidna Umar ra does it it’s a problem. Do you know that sayidna Ali ra was in the room when all this was going on? Why didn’t he get involved and bring him the pen and paper? Did he also sin? Believe me if the the prophet saas wanted that pen and paper he would of got it. Do you know that the prophet saas was taken to the mimbar before he died to deliver a very important speech to the people so he had the chance to say anything he wanted to say on the mimbar which was the largest gathering of the sahaba if he wanted to deliver that message why wouldn’t he deliver it to the sahaba on that day? He even said Towards the end of his sermon, the Prophet asked "O people, have I faithfully delivered unto you my message?" A powerful murmur of assents "O Allah! yes!"arose from thousands of pilgrims and the vibrant words "Allahumma Na'm," rolled like thunder throughout the valley. Do you believe there is anything missing from religion because of this Hadith that the prophet saas said bring me the pen and paper otherwise you will go astray? If you do your saying that Allah swt sent the prophet saas and couldn’t deliver his message to the people instead they ended up being astray so that means the prophet saas failed as a prophet in your eyes.
To cover umar's bad intentions farid gave this hadith in respond to make umar look like he really cared: Sa'id bin Al-Musaiyab told me that 'Umar said, "By Allah, when I heard Abu Bakr reciting it, my legs could not support me and I fell down at the very moment of hearing him reciting it, declaring that the Prophet had died." This hadith has weak isnad, the chain is missing so it cannot be considered strong. Love playing back the chain of narrators game on you. Because thats what you do on some of your videos focusing of weak chains but you urself provide hadith with weak chain.
Haha some? He does that I ALL his refutations because he knows people don't know what he's talking about but then he uses hadiths that have weak narrators as well. Literally his only comeback because he knew he can get away with it
Points to refute in summary: Is it Ammar's words or Sahih hadeeth? Is the Qur'an truly enough for us?When it comes to ibadat atleast? Are hadeeth compilers wrong then? Would you deny a man with the best decision making, protected from mistakes and sinning and greatest leader in the world something he wants no matter the situation? Did Umar make it clear that he will ensure Rasoulullah gets them at a later time? If Umar did it out of love, why is he being chased out? (NB companions NOT Family chased out) :) Umar din't say teach us hadeeth. Rasoullullah asked for it. He asks. You obey. Simple
why didnt Ali RA bring the pen and paper? or any of the ahlul bayt? on that day or alter on? they disobeyed, too then, didnt they? and where does it say that it was to mention Ali RA as successor? provide that detail from the Sahih Ahadith. not feelings and ammar's words.
@@syedyasirali1974 The eye's are not blind but the hearts. My friend if we care about the akhirah then atleast listen from the words of the ahlulbayte (AS). Dua kumayl dua abu humza thumali cmon buddy.
@10:10 honestly im starting to doubt you actually watched ammars full lecture. His claim wasn't that he couldn't deliver the message his claim was that he was being stopped from putting it writing and that despite years of delivering the message he wanted it in writing one final time so that you dont go astray. Sadly he was prevented and indeed we all went astray
Well maybe he wanted Abu Bakr (may Allah be pleased with him's) name on their? It's just an endless circle and assumptions won't help just like my case here.
@@everythingandroidois that's fair brother. Maybe he did maybe he didn't although this wasn't the point. And I am not assuming that he was going to appoint Ali (3s) the point is that he was prevented from doing so
@@whereztheEvidence It isn't fair it is pathetic conjecture. There is overwhelming evidence RasoolAllah want Ali (as) to be his successor. There zero evidence for RasoolAllah wanting Abu Bakar to be his successor. They come out with he lead the salaah when he was ill but never should have been there if he had obeyed RasoolAllah. It is very clear what he wanted to write and Umar clearly knew what he was doing. There is a lot evidence for this all they give is pathetic excuse to Ghadir khum
@@Shia.Ahlulbayt while I agree with you wholeheartedly. I am giving the poor man the benefit of the doubt for the sake of argument. Afterall I am commenting to clarify Sayed Ammars point and position which is clearly being misinterpreted by creator of the video
@@whereztheEvidence Exactly that all they have to throw conjecture at it. It could mean this or that etc. That is all they have. That is why we shouldn't give inch to these disingenuous arguments. Look at the comments Farid fan club they were desperate for any kind of response. This feeble one from Farid they will still cheer on. I remember how bad his video on the battle of jamal was. He ended by saying it was like a dispute with your family. Normal families don't go to war and kill each other. That is how bad his arguments are. But they praised that video so much because they were desperate to make any excuse for the inexcusable. That is all he does
Doesnt it say in Ibn Sa'd that Umar states that the prophet PBUH is in delirium? Ammar Nakshawani also uses Quran that no one is to speak over the Prophet PBUH. You cant say that Umar was in the right at all. Obviously there was something he wanted to write down (not sure what it was even though Shia may say it was to name the successor) and Umar should not have stopped the Prophet PBUH from doing so.
@@darktirad One should never speak over the Prophet PBUH was the point. We are, including Umar, lower than he is. We shouldn't interrupt him out of respect and just the fact that he is Rasullulah.
@kamranahmed6446 The prophet wanted to write something, he got in the way of it (whether it was out of concern or not is not important) and as a result the prophet ended up not writing what he wanted down. Shia will say he was going to write down the successor but we will never know but it's clear he wanted to write something down. Ibn Sa'd hadith it says that Umar said he might be delirious. This isn't that big of a deal if you think about Hadiths also saying that the Prophet wasn't sure whether he had sex or not and even had witchcraft placed on him. Farid says Umar didn't know that the Prophet would die 4 days later. Ok, and? The issue is that there was something he wanted to write down and he didn't.
Sayed Ammar provides facts on this matter Farid provides his personal opinion on the matter ... ahlul sunna is amazed by farid 🤣 Always amazes me how easy it is to misguide people The prophet pbuh has appointed imam ali at ghadeer khum , dont deny history.
Farid rightly said that the hadith which Ammar quoted did not mention of Umar. But there is another hadith in Bukhari which clearly mentions Umar. 'Bring for me (writing) paper and I will write for you a statement after which you will not go astray.' But `Umar said, 'The Prophet is seriously ill, and we have got Allah's Book with us and that is sufficient for us. 'Sahih al-Bukhari 3053. In-book reference : Book 56, Hadith 259
My friends usually discuss these topics and the shi3a mentioned this but the sunni claimed it was weak? Is there any information about the authenticity of this narration?
Umar believed the prophet was too ill to write at that point in time, I don't see any issue with that. You shias are forcing a maleficent intent when there is none. The prophet had multiple days after this to write or say what he wished, but chose not to, which goes to show that it was not needed in that time. Also Allah SWT said he has perfected the religion in the Quran, so there was nothing left to add after that point.
Once upon a time this shi3a guy I know informed me that in his final days the Prophet PBUH instructed to companions to go to war under the command of Usama but they refused. Any information on that?
Convenient that you managed to clip out the part where Ammar questions "but Umar said" when this was a big question during this talk. In other words when the Rasul (s.a) speaks you comply. You don't "but"
He also conveniently clip out the part of his Syaikh Assim Al-Hakim literally explaining Umar prevented Prophet because he think the Prophet may say/write things that will hurt the Deen. Instead he keep yapping his own personal interpretation that Umar is just worried Prophet is too much in pain to say/write. One is Umar questioning the mental capability of Prophet, one is Umar questioning the physical capability of Prophet, BIG DIFFERENCE
you do realize he fainted afterwards?? imagine the prophet saw asking you to get some paper and he immeditely faints and you leave him and get some paper
The point remains, why didn't the Prophet (as) have it dictated at a later time, if it was so important. And why would he have to say it again if he already declared Ali (ra) the caliph. It's total speculation on the part of the Shia. Regarding Umar(ra), there is nothing in Umar's history (post reversion) and his time as Caliph that would make you suspect he had ulterior motives, yet the Shia want you to believe this. One of his most closest companions, fighting and defending the Prophet all his life, and as Caliph lived meagerly and spread Islam. I know it's hard to imagine saying 'but' to the Prophet, but these were his companions, they didn't always have to be formal with the Prophet(sa). Also, I don't see the problem with questioning the Prophets mental capabilities. There are many illnesses that can cause delirium, including pneumonia, which could have been what the Prophet (sa) was inflicted with before his death. Allah knows best. @@roffi_daijoubu
He denied pen and paper just because he was caring so much about the PAIN of holy prophet but didnt denied when he was asked to leave and acted upon it 😂. If he was really that much caring person why did he left the prophet in pain instead of staying .
also them saying if Allah really wanted it to happen it would have happened. He would have gotten the pen and paper. it is like saying that if Allah really wanted His creation to worship Him then He would have created us as robots. It is like saying if Allah loves His prophets H e would have given Nabii Nuh and Lut obedient sons and wives. Weak arguments. Anything to defend Umar. Funny thing when he says Ammar says.. no it is not Ammar but Saheeh books
When RasulAllah says he wants something to stop people from going astray, if you truthfully believe his Nubuwwa you would not say anything and you would listen. If the Prophet kicks you out on his deathbed, YOU did something wrong. Wake up akhi, Umar has done a lot of wrong in your own books. It's time we stop making excuses. Politics was as real then as it is now
@@andrewsarinas1180 All the shias in the comments. It's funny everyone says this is "insufficient" and he "needs evidence" when they don't understand that intepreting the text Nakshawani brings forth is using evidence since you could take a bad turn or good turn depending on how you know the person and what people after did. For instance, after this incident, Ibn Abbas RA actually stated that Prophet Muhammad SAW passed away being pleased with Umar RA. We should also make notice that they are humans and they will make mistakes because their judgment of what they think gets in the way like Ali RA refusing (swearing) to erase the title of RasulAllah at treaty of hudaybiyyah. People could take this to a bad turn or good turn, but we know through context that this person was loved by RasulAllah SAW so similarly when Umar RA refers to severe sickness we can assume it was because he RA did not want more pain to Prophet SAW at that moment and knew the message of Islam was complete as Allah revealed so he thought later but he was wrong ofcourse as was Ali RA in that case, so he would wait and the Prophet SAW had three days to say whatever he wanted SAW.
Salam alaikum jameean. Plain and simple: Does the Hadith say the prophet asked for a pen and paper? Clearly it does. Did somebody say the prophet is Ill thereby stopping him from getting that paper? Clearly yes again. Did the prophet want the pen and paper? Yes? Did he get the pen and paper? No. Then clearly it means that the prophet was disobeyed. The Quran in 4:59 clearly states to obey Allah and his messenger. Whatever Omar’s intentions good or bad he clearly disobeyed the prophet it’s that simple.
This pen and paper incident happened on Thursday. The Prophet (saw) died on Monday, 3 days later. If it was something important, the Prophet (saw) had enough time to say it. Also, Allah says in the Quran that in Surah Maeda (5) ayah 3 "...This day I have perfected for you your religion and completed my favour upon you...". This means Islam was perfect and complete when the Prophet (saw) died. If Shias say the Prophet didn't have a chance to deliver this information to us, that means they saying Islam wasn't perfect and complete which is against the ayah of the Quran
@@Harith112 Brother the point I’m making is that the prophet was disobeyed. The Shias and Sunnis can believe what they want clearly they each believe what they believe because they think it will take them closer to Allah so He can judge. The point is that the Quran clearly commands the believers to obey Allah and His prophet that means if the prophet says “dont move from this position on mountain” then you don’t move or if he says get me this pen and paper then you get him this pen and paper. The Hadith doesn’t say “don’t get me this pen and paper because I’m ill I can write what I want in a couple of days when I’m better” what it does say is get me this pen and paper so however you feel about Umar the point is he disobeyed Allah and his prophet-plain and simple.
Quran 7:158 shows that Prophet a.s was UNLETTERED. How can an UNLETTERED person ask for paper & letter to write something. This hadith doesnt sound authentic to me. Umar was from FIRST EMIGRANTS that Allah promised Paradise in Quran 9:100.
@@iMan-610 The point of my comment is that the prophet was disobeyed. If he clearly asks for a pen and paper to write something who is any person to deny him this? It is in a sahih book so clearly the incident happened and he clearly asked for a pen and paper and was disobeyed. The Quran is clear Obey Allah and His messenger. By not obeying him they are disobeying him are they not? Put it another way: if someone is said to be a rightly guided person doesn’t this rightly guided part mean that they obey Allah and his prophet? If they were to disobey Allah and his prophet would you say they are still rightly guided in disobeying the lord of all creation and his final and greatest prophet? It is very simple. He asked for a pen and a paper and it was denied him. God has commanded him to be obeyed if you don’t bring him that pen and paper then you have disobeyed a command of Allah to obey Him and His messenger. It doesn’t matter why Umar disobeyed him. The point is that he did disobey him. Plain and simple.
There are quite some concerns here, one the prophet pbuh was unlettered so how could he write, and let's say he did say something to that effect. It would be just another hadith so there would be variations in it, disputed upon, difference of opinion etc etc. It would not weigh against even a single quranic verse. Thirdy, he could've said anything, infinite number of possibilities but it's always , we know what he wanted to say. Pray tell how do you guys know that.
Narrated by Aisha (may Allah be pleased with her): "When Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) was in his last illness, he asked for a sheet (to cover his body), and he wore it as a garment; then he fainted and, when he recovered consciousness, he asked for a pen and a paper and wrote, 'Write: No one has the right to be worshipped but Allah; and Muhammad is His Messenger.' " (Sahih al-Bukhari, Book 64, Hadith 468
bro what do you mean ditch? Are you in your right mind???? who are we to ditch him? when he literally was one of the closest companions of the prophet pbuh to this day his grave lies besides the prophet pbuh. History bears the witness.
@@TheIntrepid-tz4zo the closest companion to the prophet was unable to realise that the Prophet's words are wahy. With our low level faith, would you dare deny the Prophet (saww) anything?
@@haroonramola5983 this incident happened on thursday the prophet pbuh died on monday if he would have wanted to ask for the same thing again he would but he didn't that explains that umar ra knew the prophet pbuh's condition and did what he thought was best.
Because he cares about his well being. And so did Ali do when the prophet commanded him to erase "Prophet of God" from the treaty of Hudaybiyyah, Ali refused the prophet’s command and the prophet erased it himself.
@@abhmd4481 What a stupid counter argument. If anything, it goes to show how incredible Ali’s character is to not speak or take action unless the prophet of Allah permits him to. If Omar wasn’t a Kafir before that action he certainly was afterwards.
This pen and paper incident happened on Thursday. The Prophet (saw) died on Monday, 3 days later. Why didn't the Prophet (saw) mention this important thing in the 3 days he was alive? I'm Sunni and I believe Umar (ra) made a mistake on the pen and paper incident. But I believe he had good intentions. Obviously Shias believe he had bad intentions
@@Harith112 so that today, people like you and I can use all this information 1400 years later to see the difference between Haq and Batil. I’m not going to generalize Sunnis as a whole but I think we can establish that when the prophet does or says anything it is all by the order of ALLAH. Disobeying the prophet is KUFR. Especially when the matter is so severe and regarding something that will help us “never go astray.” The truth is prevalent within your own books and you still make excuses. I pray for you on the day of judgement if you choose to ignore these matters, may Allah guide you and the rest who seek truth.
@@Harith112Even after a clear hadees from your books you are using your nonsense mind Because you don't want to say Umar wrong even if Prophet s.a.w said so
0 sources weak arguments. You didn’t prove him wrong on anything. Amazing that some people be informed through their own books the truth and they still twist the facts.
Question, let's assume Nakhshawani is right about everything and Umar radhiallahu anhu did indeed prevent rasulullah from writing down something very important that has never been revealed yet, to guide humanity. That would mean rasulullah still had some revelation that he did not spread/share yet. Did rasulullah then use another occasion to share this message?
✝ ( 📖 1 TIMOTHY 2 : 5 ) There is ONE God & there is one mediator between God & Men, the MAN Christ Jesus ➜ According to this verse the mediator between God & men was a MAN, this proves Jesus is NOT God
This shows how deflection is seen as the best argument farid has for his fanboys. Never mind he defending blatantly disobeying RasoolAllah to his face. Not just what but telling RasoolAllah what is enough for Muslims.
5:49 comparing a sheikh to the greatest creation of Allah that is infallible and only speaks in wahi 53:4 is wild to me . They’ll do anything to protect umar ….
Kazakhstan ? do u have wahabi in Kazakhstan as well? i heard Kazakhstan is a beautful country with sufi style mosque not wahabi like mosques? confused?
Farid, I am a Zaydi, not Sunni. You and I both know that you not even noting this act was the incorrect one is pure bias. It is impossible to say anything except this hadith is a grave mistake. May the peace, blessings, and mercy of Allah be upon Umar. No Muslim can affirm Sheikh Umar (Rahimahullah) was correct in his act without betraying his own intellect. I am not defending the Rafidhi, but this is the reality.
The purpose of the video wasn't to discuss whether Umar, may Allah be pleased with him, made the best or correct decision in that moment. It was to address the claims and extrapolations that Nakshawani made from the event in question. Farid never "affirmed [he] was correct in his act". No Sunni denies that companions are capable of making mistakes, so proving or conceding that a specific companion made a specific mistake isn't the item in question. That would be shifting the goal post. The question is about the exact implications and ramifications of this specific act, and that's what Farid was discussing and challenging.
@@Suleiman212How shall I put this brother... I disagree with the Rafidhi as apparently his point was that Sheikh Umar (Rahimahullah) is not a reliable narrator, and he is. To reject a narration because Umar is in the chain is irrational. Even Zaydis who are harsher than me in narrations from certain people do not oppose Sheikh Umar (Rahimahullah) as a narrator, that I have read. So in this sense I agree with Farid. At the same time this horrific event is of high significance to the shi`a. The General Muslim Community, due to their desire to not say anything which could have bad implications on the Sahaba (Radi Allahu Anhuma,) peculiarly assert that what was going to be written may not have been what the ummah was to do, after our Prophet (Salullahu Alayhi Wa Alihi Wa Salam) left us. To the rational intellect, given that the theology and law of the religion had already been completed prior to this, it is clear to me that our Prophet (Salullahu Alayhi Wa Alihi Wa Salam) desired to save us from this fitnah we fell into, where the ummah could not agree on a Caliph at first, etc. Without even the slightest doubt the line which deserves the title of horrifying is that The Book of Allah is enough. Without doubt, as someone who identifies yourself as "Sunni," you must object to this statement, as the Book of Alllah itself instructs us to turn to the words of The Messenger of Allah (Salullahu Alayhi Wa Alihi Wa Salam) for guidance, so the idea that The Book of Allah could suffice us *without* the Sunnah is rejected. Shi`a feel that this day we were deprived of yet another affirmation of a crucial element of the Sunnah: The Imamate of Imam Ali Ibn Abu Talib. I mention all of this only to clarify why I originally called this video bias... reading such an error out loud, without mentioning the error of it, is a strange thing. Certainly if Farid had read a Quranist saying similar, that the Quran is enough, he would refute it, but here there is someone he heavily respects, so we have silence...
He’s not saying it’s correct or incorrect. He’s simply explaining possible reasons why Umar RA did not provide the pen. Nakhshwani and Farid are looking at the same Hadith and extrapolate from it. Nakhshwani extrapolates maliciously and Farid extrapolates positively, citing Umar RA’s early contributions towards Islam.
Bro you are hilarious. At 5 mins in, the holy prophet tells you to get a pen and a paper for which you will never go astray and you still stick up for umar in this case saying he was in a good position to do so. Then why oh farid did rasulAllah sawas kick them out? Why was there a bust up in there? Tell me you don't know the aya that whatever rasulAllah sawas tells you it is from Allah swt? You don't know this oh farid? Oh farid you compare rasulAllah sawas who receives wahi and everything he tells you is from Allah swt, you compare this to your local sheikh if he was sick and you dont trouble him with a hadith?? Its not like the sahabis told.the holy Prophet tell us a hadith. It was RasulAllah sawas who said I will write something for you.that you wont go astray. Now dear farid you are running like usayn bolt you have all these hadiths in their multitudes that it was umar who stopped the prophet from writing this.formula but now you say it wasnt umar who called the prophet dilarious? Be honeat to yourself and your subscribers and be just coz you will be held accountable. The man provided you source after source from your own books that clearly umar wanted to stop the prophet otherwise there wouldnt have been a fight. Im intrigued why you only do an extremly short reaction. I mean ammar nakshawani provides many many sources and you skip a whole heap. Of course its clear why.
The prophet SAW is still a human being, and as Farid showed before this event he was in extremely bad health (constantly passing out, not being able to pray in congregation and we know how important praying in congregation was for him SAW, if he couldn't do that, than that shows the intense state he was in). For any loved one, if you see them in such a state you want to them rest as much as possible. Umar RA did not say we don't need it explicitly, he said "the prophet of Allah SAW has been overcome with pain", that's his excuse for not listening to the prophet in this particular scenario, and if he had indeed made a mistake and this paper was in fact something needed in Islam, Allah SWT would not have said your religion has been perfected in Quran 5:3, hence why Umar RA said that the Quran is enough for us here, as it has been completed, nonetheless the prophet SAW had multiple days after this event to write this down and or say it, which he did not, again pointing to the fact that it was simply something that he thought would be a good idea at that time but later decided it wasn't.
@@mohammadrizwaan1890 Now what you are implying is that Umar knows the health of the prophet PBUH more than he himself (The greatest creation of Allah SWT since the beginning of time) that he can stop the prophet from doing something he decided? Also we all know the actions of the prophet PBUH are dictated by Allah the almighty, and the prophet PBUH decided to write something and later felt it wasn't necessary?
@@muhammadtasiu5473prophet muhammad at the end was but a man. It says that in quran and hadeeth of the prophet himself. Surah abas is allahs reprimend for the prophet frowning on a poor blind sahabi. It tells you even nabi saw was a human at the end of the day and succeptible to mistake (not sin or insincerity) ali r.a also denied the prophets command when he refused to alter the contract between the quraysh and nabi saw.
@@muhammadtasiu5473 Everyone who loves anyone and sees them in bad health generally tries to make decisions for them as though said person isn't as a tuned to their own health. It is not hard to see that. You shiites just like to dramatize and twist things to fit your own agendas.
Another confusing video. You don't open a single book to defend the claims. Only what you think happened. I wonder why do people only mention Aisha and not khadija
If the Prophet (saws) really wanted to wright it, he would have done so afterwards. He at the end decided to not write it. You can't take individual incidents and then give judgements based on that. The final judgement about Umar (ra) in our hadiths is that he is from the ten who were promised paradise so ofcourse we defend him. He is not specially mentioned in Quran so we can't judge him based on Quran itself. However we know in Quran the final verdict about the wives of the prophet (saws) is that they are mother of believers and other things which contradict shiism. Therefore we accept sunnism and based on sunni hadiths, he will go to jannah. I know you guys like to go to surah tahreem. But it gives option of repentence. You probably never read about Adam (as) or Yunus (as).
@@condorianonegdiffsgokualso I have to reject that Abu Bakr and Umar are granted paradise have you not seen the evidence in Bukhari and Muslim regarding their treatment of the Prophet (SAW) of his daughter Fatima (who is one of the four women granted paradise?) you really need to consider these items brother. Inshallah.
@@abbas_glzadh6809But was denied by Umer? Why don't you think Allah didn't just destroy the man into pieces for doing this? And are you accusing the Prophet SAW for not completing his duty, i.e, giving us the message of GOD? The Prophet SAW didn't wrote what he wanted to write later because it was most likely something that the Prophet SAW said already otherwise you are just accusing the Prophet SAW for not doing what GOD told him to do.
@@shaheensssss You are taking snippets of different incidents and then giving a judgement of your own (obviously you haven't looked at his whole life). That can't overturn the decision of Allah Himself of being with Abu Bakr (ra). Your approach does not work. The same approach is used by kuffar against our prophets and you know that very well. Let's take your idea of certain wives apostating. Does that not mean the prophet (saws) knowingly remained married to kuffar? Why Allah protect her in surah nur and warnered those who slander "believers"? Why He call wives of prophet (saws) mothers of believers directly after saying the prophet is closest to believers? (It was not in the context of marriage which shais falsely claim) Why were they called ahlul bayt? (Shais don't know the preceding and following verses) You accuse Abu bark (ra) as well as most sahaba of apsotating. But overall reading of Quran says otherwise. He was said to be someone with whose side Allah was in the cave incident. Allah praised the muhajiroon. He promised the successors to be of those who believe and not do shirk. All of these plus his overall life makes his status clear. All you have are just snippets of some incidents.
Are you going to defend Ali (may Allah be pleased with him) when he was asked to erase the title of RasulAllah (SAW), but he refused to and swore to not in front of RasulAllah (SAW) thereby disobeying RasulAllah (SAW) for a reason he thought was right. So disobedience to RasulAllah (SAW) is relative and cannot be looked at in a way of a human mistake whereby the person thinks for instance RasulAllah (SAW) is severely sick so therefore does not grab pen and paper, a mistake but condemnation forever? No.
What knowledge let's just see how Farid made excuses for disobeying RasoolAllah. 3:45 doesn't mention Umar beat his sister, doesn't mention he beat her husband, doesn't mention he didn't risk his life when RasoolAllah was under boycott, doesn't mention sahih hadith Umar fled jihad, doesn't mention sahih hadith Umar hit his daughter, doesn't mention he beat Abu Bakr sister & other women mourn his death. Instead he claims someone fled jihad was so good. Whitewash everything to justify him disobeying RasoolAllah.
5:39 Farid dishonesty again when Umar said he wasn't dead it could have been for other reasons. That is no evidence to not believe RasoolAllah was on his, deathbed. There more references him saying he wouldn't live for long like his farewell sermon. Selective Farid manipulating the narrative. There is hadith where actually discuss it. It was common knowledge RasoolAllah was on his death bed.
5:54 making up fake analogy using a sheikh instead of RasoolAllah 🙄 No one was asking RasoolAllah to teach them! RasoolAllah order them to do an action he disobeyed. See how he manipulates his example
@@Johnny-xk7vwthe only thing getting smashed will "Sayed" Amar's head into the hellfire if he doesn't repent. How can someone even be a Shia man It makes no sense. You believe that the prophet SAW was exceedingly naive to the point where he constantly kept these so called munafiqeen around him and allowed them to maintain their status and power amongst the Muslims -- all while apparently marrying wicked women. You also have no choice but to believe in tahreef due to the way the Qur'an has been transmitted and preserved -- any excuse from you lot in this regard is sheer cope.
@@muhammadtasiu5473 I'm refering to Abu Bakr and Umār and Uthmān __ may Allah be pleased with them. The company of the prophet numbered in the thousands, so of course some of them may have been munafiqeen -- but Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthmān? These people had very lofty positions amongst the Muslims, and to say that the prophet was oblivious to their alleged evil is ridiculous
Bad argument. If that was the case then he wouldnt say "the quran is sufficient for us". He is straight denying the message the prophet was going to give.
Let us assume you are right, so what should we bring out of that? Are you implying that Allah willed the prophet to tell us something and Umar prevented it?
@bolaelegbede7843 I'm not implying. It's what actually happened. Is that so hard to grasp. He ask for a pen and paper to write something that we can never go astray. You know how valuable that information is. It's the difference of heaven and hell. If someone were to take away a trillion dollars and all the riches in the world away from you, will you be happy?
That is such a weak response. If the prophet asks for a pen and paper stating the importance of this, you will obviously do it. Whenever the prophet speaks, it is from allah and their is no suggestion of "let's wait until he is better" In some literature, he even says the proper has gone "Crazy". Umar has disrespected the prophet many times and introduced multiple innovations.
Text does not say Umar says he (SAW) is delarious. That is false. What about when Ali (may Allah be pleased with him) refused to erase the title of RasulAllah (SAW) when it was commanded by RasulAllah (SAW), excuses, let's play your game of assuming the worst but I won't stoop that low.
@@everythingandroidois i am not sure what contradiction you have on imam Ali, can you expand ? No one ever called him rasul allah. He was the rightly chosen khalifa during ghadir khum by our Prophet (SAW) which can not be disputed. Many Hadith’s in your sunni literature point the prophet leaving behind the book of allah and his ahulbayt. Not Abu Bakr and Umar who went against the prophets will. Lets not even go to Umar bringing wood to burn the house of the prophets (SAW) beloved daughter Fatimah El Zahra
@@everythingandroidoisand do you know the response Imam Ali gab the prophet and do you know what the Prophet said after and did it cause the companions to fight and get angry did it cause the Prophet to say remove yourselves from me well Gies what it didn’t so I want you trying to prove here
@@everythingandroidoisDid Imam Ali (a.s) prevent Rasool ULLAH (s) from erasing the title?? Your argument is weak and baseless. In the incident of Pen and Paper.. Prophet (s) was prevented from writing some important message which would have saved Ummah from misguidance.
I think this wahabi Farid should restraint himself from responding to Dr.Ammar lectures. Because every time hecomes out he can not respond to anything academically. And this proves the sound arguments of Sayeed Ammar. Farid is only being defensive but his arguments can not convince any person of sound thinking
Sound arguments? Ammar takes a ambiguous Hadith and spins it to portray a Sahaba negatively. The basic fact is the Prophet ﷺ asked for a pen from one of the Sahaba, Umar, at that moment, said it would be best not to. Why he said that could be 1000 different reasons. Looking at Umar RA’s contributions to Islam prior to this incident, we can assume that he wanted the best for Muslims and the Prophet ﷺ at this moment, and didn’t provide it out of concern for the prophet in his condition. Was he wrong in doing so? If the Prophet ﷺ asks you to do something you do it, but if he was wrong, so too were all the other Sahaba in attendance who also did not provide the Pen, not just Umar RA.
@@syed2194 Omar contribution in Islam is only exaggerated by sunnis without any evidence. Omar was a coward because he ran away from uhud and he was defeated in the war against jews and he couldn't face Amr bin Abdulwud in the battle of handaq. Omar was disrespectful to the daughter of the prophet. Omar made alot of fabrications in Islam against Quran and prophet.agood example is about talaka and hijatu tamatui. You know Omar thought he was so intelligent that could give his opinion against Quran and prophet .The worst thing is to tell the prophet Quran is sufficient. This is kufru by itself.
Always, the truth hurts, I am sunni but What sayed Ammar is exposing everything is in our books 📚; Alhamndulillah;tried to buy all theses books to teach my self and I am still asking why our sheikh don't tell us the truth?😢😢😢
Answer my questions so your admitting sayidna Ali ra refused an order of the prophet saas? It’s ok when sayidna Ali ra does it but when sayidna Umar ra does it it’s a problem. Do you know that sayidna Ali ra was in the room when all this was going on? Why didn’t he get involved and bring him the pen and paper? Did he also sin? Believe me if the the prophet saas wanted that pen and paper he would of got it. Do you know that the prophet saas was taken to the mimbar before he died to deliver a very important speech to the people so he had the chance to say anything he wanted to say on the mimbar which was the largest gathering of the sahaba if he wanted to deliver that message why wouldn’t he deliver it to the sahaba on that day? He even said Towards the end of his sermon, the Prophet asked "O people, have I faithfully delivered unto you my message?" A powerful murmur of assents "O Allah! yes!"arose from thousands of pilgrims and the vibrant words "Allahumma Na'm," rolled like thunder throughout the valley. Do you believe there is anything missing from religion because of this Hadith that the prophet saas said bring me the pen and paper otherwise you will go astray? If you do your saying that Allah swt sent the prophet saas and couldn’t deliver his message to the people instead they ended up being astray so that means the prophet saas failed as a prophet in your eyes.
According to Quran 53:3 the Prophet does not speak from his own inclination but speaks what Allah tells him. Why would Allah tell Prophet to write the will if he was too seriously ill? Does Umar know more about Prophet’s condition than Umar? Him asking to write the will down is what Allah has told him to do and Umar denied him that and disobeyed the Prophet.
Answer my questions so your admitting sayidna Ali ra refused an order of the prophet saas? It’s ok when sayidna Ali ra does it but when sayidna Umar ra does it it’s a problem. Do you know that sayidna Ali ra was in the room when all this was going on? Why didn’t he get involved and bring him the pen and paper? Did he also sin? Believe me if the the prophet saas wanted that pen and paper he would of got it. Do you know that the prophet saas was taken to the mimbar before he died to deliver a very important speech to the people so he had the chance to say anything he wanted to say on the mimbar which was the largest gathering of the sahaba if he wanted to deliver that message why wouldn’t he deliver it to the sahaba on that day? He even said Towards the end of his sermon, the Prophet asked "O people, have I faithfully delivered unto you my message?" A powerful murmur of assents "O Allah! yes!"arose from thousands of pilgrims and the vibrant words "Allahumma Na'm," rolled like thunder throughout the valley. Do you believe there is anything missing from religion because of this Hadith that the prophet saas said bring me the pen and paper otherwise you will go astray? If you do your saying that Allah swt sent the prophet saas and couldn’t deliver his message to the people instead they ended up being astray so that means the prophet saas failed as a prophet in your eyes.
So you want a response video that already conveniently clips out parts he can't refute, to clip out all parts? At that point it's not a response video anymore, brow will just be yapping into the void😂
@@roffi_daijoubu I’m from ultra liberal England, they’re everywhere here and this guy would definitely be knocking about with them, he’s as queer as the day.
Umer always questioned and doubted prophethood , also Allah said in quran obery the messenger , who is umer to make decision what to follow and when to follow, plus this sugar coating technique is not going to save umer , he said quran is enough , he did not say oh Prpphet please write it later and take some rest , the fact that he said quran is enough was a desperate move from him, he knew very well that prophet was about to state the leader alongside the quran in writing The will would have finished his conspiracy and plot
Umar never rejected, but simply offered his opinion which was derived from a place of care for the prophets wellbeing, and was not shared by him alone. But you know who rejected the prophets commands multiple times to erase his name? Ali, so maybe you should worry about that.
@@noface9375 please re read the Hadith. Prophet commanded something, and Umar saying the Quran is sufficient. Like he knows more than the Prophet lol that’s not a place of care. That’s arrogance.
@@SparringHighlights We can use the same argument for Ali, the prophet told him to erase his name from the letter and Ali blatantly rejected, like he knows more than the prophet lol that's not a place of care. that arrogance. See how I can also use your dense logic? Atleast Umar didn't blatantly reject and offered his opinion, unlike Ali who clearly refused the prophets commands multiple times.
@@noface9375 wait so your only argument is “well what about Ali” that’s not a rebuttal. Also, what story are you even referring to, what name on what letter?
@@SparringHighlights No, I already gave you many reasons and have others for reserve, but the reason why I am using Ali is to show you your double standards and hypocrisy. One rule for Umar another One for Ali, everything Umar does is bad while everything Ali does is good, ygm. As sunnis are consistent, and say both of them did it out of love & care for the prophet. Btw the incident I am referring to is (Bhukhari 4251).
Answer my questions so your admitting sayidna Ali ra refused an order of the prophet saas? It’s ok when sayidna Ali ra does it but when sayidna Umar ra does it it’s a problem. Do you know that sayidna Ali ra was in the room when all this was going on? Why didn’t he get involved and bring him the pen and paper? Did he also sin? Believe me if the the prophet saas wanted that pen and paper he would of got it. Do you know that the prophet saas was taken to the mimbar before he died to deliver a very important speech to the people so he had the chance to say anything he wanted to say on the mimbar which was the largest gathering of the sahaba if he wanted to deliver that message why wouldn’t he deliver it to the sahaba on that day? He even said Towards the end of his sermon, the Prophet asked "O people, have I faithfully delivered unto you my message?" A powerful murmur of assents "O Allah! yes!"arose from thousands of pilgrims and the vibrant words "Allahumma Na'm," rolled like thunder throughout the valley. Do you believe there is anything missing from religion because of this Hadith that the prophet saas said bring me the pen and paper otherwise you will go astray? If you do your saying that Allah swt sent the prophet saas and couldn’t deliver his message to the people instead they ended up being astray so that means the prophet saas failed as a prophet in your eyes.
Whoever calls a man ‘kafir’ [disbeliever] or said ‘O, enemy of Allah’, when he is not one, (the accusation) will rebound to him” (narrated by Al-Bukhari and Muslim). Read your kalma again brother don’t make such accusations lightly. Fear Allah
@@Ishi1XP indeed, and Ammar is indeed the enemy, I understand it may hurt you and others, but once you realize that shiism is not from Allah, you will understand why I said what I said
Something I realised is the Sunni hadith will expose the sahaba themselves committing atrocities against the Prophet and Allah swt and you will still make excuses. Even on occasion you will belittle the Prophet to justify their actions. Wake up my brothers, your own books expose your sahaba.
UMAR IBN AL KHATTAB OPPRESSED THE PROPHET AND HIS FAMILY AND THIS UMMAAH HE SHOULD HAVE REMAINED QUIET AND SHUT HIS MOUTH BRUV THE MORE YOU TALK THE MORE IT LOOKS LIKE TO ME THAT MUAWIYA YAZEED UMAR ARE MORE BELOVED TO YOU THAN MUHAMMAD SAAWAWS AND HIS FAMILY YOU FOLLOW THE SUNNAH OF OMAR WE FOLLOW THE SUNNAH OF MUHAMMAD SAAWAWS YOU SUNNIS ARE REALLY BLIND
Let me fix it even more... "Sayyed Ammar points out a mistake of fallible Omar (RA) on his refusal to get pen and paper due to his opinion of the Prophet's (SAW) severe sickness but forgets fallible Ali (RA) also made a mistake like any human when refusing to erase name of RasulAllah (SAW) when commanded to by him (SAW) because of his (Ali RA) incorrect opinion in the matter" "Sayyed Ammar quotes a bunch of people and makes it seem like the one Sahaba he has a grudge against called him (SAW) delarious"
@@everythingandroidois first off, nice whataboutism that has nothing to do with the subject at hand. Second, there's a difference between saying straight up no to the Prophet and calling him delirious, and asking to be excused from doing something out of respect from him. Nice try though.
@@africa241See I suspected this is how you would respond, and I was right; the text does not say Omar (RA) called him (SAW) delirious. Omar (RA) never said "no", the same way Ali (RA) never said "no". They both, may Allah be pleased with both, responded in unique ways with reasons, one being saying the prophet (SAW) is severely sick and the other swearing to never erase it. So apparently now there is room for disobedience of RasulAllah (SAW) if it fits your narrative🤔, strange. I see shias saying the disobedience is everything, but clearly they are playing games. According to you, "asking to be excused" is swearing to never do something in front of the person who commanded it being RasulAllah (SAW). Ofcourse we understand why he (RA) did, so we excuse him for his mistake. But you can keep coping.
@@everythingandroidois yOu CaN kEeP cOpInG Bro, you're the one seething so hard you're changing the words of YOUR OWN books because you can't accept having believed a lie your entire life. You may need to argue about this to protect your brainwashed programming, but I don't. I'm too chill and at peace with my beliefs for that. So I'm off to cOpE about the whole thing now :)
@@africa241the fact you didn't respond to my rebuttals and just focused in on me telling you to cope and went on a rant about that and me "changing words" when I clearly gave my argument that it did not say "Omar said" but you ignored that because you got triggered shows me you are not sincere in this conversation.
Dear Sunni brothers, please make your mind. Sheikh Asem Hakeem says "Umar was not sure if prophet is in sound state of mind", and Farid says "Umar just thinks prophet is in pain and it's better to dictate whatever he wants later". Well, if Umar really means that, why he doesn't he explicitly mention that by saying for example "Ya Rasullullah, let's do it later when you are better", rather he says clearly "The book of Allah is enough for us".
never heard this guy, if farid organic wahabi means follow M wahab or taymiah whabai and if make mawlid? cox i think farid is a khwariji the way he talks?
somrtimes a person is heart inside and jujust coz u cannot ansnwer, there is a easy way out. I saw this guy farid who is answering ammar, i wanted to know his madhab, aeeqdah so i can get to the bottom of it, nakhwani address all of them sunni, nakhwani is wrong, coz mufti menk is awahabi, hakeen sound like khwariji so i wanted to know if farid is a wahabi or jhwaiji menaing his view on mawlid, and miraj??@@OnePullUpKing
if farid can defend umar and abu bakr, it means he will be resurrected with abu bakr and umar, wow ..... think and reflect all. does farid also like miuawia and yazid? this changes everything, is farid organic wahabi (taymiah) or khwariji (reject ali and uthman khaifat)? think and decide?
😂 farid farid.. no level mental acrobatics or intellectual contortionism can sugar coat those hadith and exonerate who they clearly incriminate. Save it for the cheerleaders
I also have some doubts in this Hadith since "prophet could not write", the hadith says "I (Rasool Allah) will write for you a statement" and this is a well documented history. Another doubt with this Hadith is that Prophet said people to go away so who would a scribe be documenting the statement if Prophet did not want anyone near him ? if the Prophet wanted someone to write for him then he would have said it verbally.
@@FaridResponds Thank you Farid for clarification but I also had a comment earlier that when prophet ordered everyone to leave was Ali (r.a) also included in everyone ?
@@altamashbaibars9477 Why should he note anything if people like Umar are ready to refuse the order of Prophet Muhmmad SAW in the first place. He is not obliged to do things a second time if his orders are rejected the first time.
@@gr3en_jamfatima295 those who wanted him to write it also defied him by not giving pen and paper. It was a spontaneous decision prophet that would have noted it . He lived 3 more days.
@@samy7013 so instead of condemning Umars actions you want to not only throw our Prophet SAW under the bus by saying hes delerious but you Also want to drag Imam Ali (as) into the mess of what Umar created. The biggest proof for us is that already there were followers of Umar and another group agreed to bring a pen and paper, then according to the hadith the two groups started to quarrel. Then the Prophet SAW didn't thank Umar for anything he made Everyone leave! EVERYONE. So it does not matter What Imam Alis actions are next, he is obedient enough to listen to our Prophet Muhammad SAW. Since you want to talk about Ali (as) why not talk about Umar? All Umar could've litterally done was grab a pen and paper, but he had the audacity to tell the very man who brought the Quran In the first place that: "Quran is suffienct for us, you are ill." Don't scramble after what could've happened next. focus on the hadith.
@@samy7013 our concern is the treatment of our Prophet Muhammad SAW. No one in their right mind would speak up against the orders of a Prophet SAW, But Umar did, and the sunnis are running in circles to protect Umar.
2 points, for the Sunnis, that seem to think they have it "in the bag": -Ali (a.s) was not a companion, but family of the prophet PBUHAF. The hadiths of sahih say companions were kicked out. Ali would not be out. Remember HE is the one who took care of the funeral while others ran searching for Dunya! -Abu Bakr DID NOT lead the prayer, argument that you claim shows his leadership role after the Prophet PBUHAF Weak weak weak. Remember, you have an interpretation of history, so do the shias.
The shi3a guys content was mostly from the Holy script and books of ahlusunnah and you do a 10 minute video with no sources?? My guy pull out evidence pull out narrations? I see you got a library behind you full of books yet you bring out no daleel? Ammar presented evidence showing the companion called the Prophet PBUH delirious and this is your response? Give us quality not just content.
Out of respect I watched the video once again. That 10 second flash you put up might suffice to your loyal viewers but I watched this video hoping I will get a clear refutation, not this my guy.
@@a7bkx204 I watched it once brother, idk what your talking about. But the Ammar guy was clearly assuming something from the Hadith that wasn't there to prove his point. You could argue Farid is doing something similar, but at least his stance makes sense. It's reasonable to assume Umar R.A was worried about him. And didn't want him to write his will because he believed he would get well. The Second Hadith Ammar mentions Doesn't even mentioned the names of who asked the Question Is he delirious? So he's assuming it's Umar 🤦
@@a7bkx204 It was a pretty clear refutation. Ammar and Farid both rely on the same narration in this video. They just extrapolate differently. Yes, the event happened and yes, Umar RA did not listen to the prophet ﷺ. Nakhshwani extrapolates maliciously toward Umar RA while Farid extrapolates positively, which is how you should when you are speaking about a beloved companion.
Lol, thanks for saying all this and making my belief much much stronger as a Shia muslim as compared to before. Just for once think what you are saying yourself and imagine not Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) but only your dearest teacher would you imagine calling your teacher even that "is he delirious?" Would you know more than the teacher if he needs "pen and paper"?? You are throwing naozubillah Hazrah Muhammad PBUh under the bus just to support Umar. These are simple common sense answers which one doesn't need a sharp brain even to answer. Thank to Allah Subhanwutallah we have scholars like Ammar Nakwashni to guide us. May Allah bless you all to the righteous path as well.
Answer my questions so your admitting sayidna Ali ra refused an order of the prophet saas? It’s ok when sayidna Ali ra does it but when sayidna Umar ra does it it’s a problem. Do you know that sayidna Ali ra was in the room when all this was going on? Why didn’t he get involved and bring him the pen and paper? Did he also sin? Believe me if the the prophet saas wanted that pen and paper he would of got it. Do you know that the prophet saas was taken to the mimbar before he died to deliver a very important speech to the people so he had the chance to say anything he wanted to say on the mimbar which was the largest gathering of the sahaba if he wanted to deliver that message why wouldn’t he deliver it to the sahaba on that day? He even said Towards the end of his sermon, the Prophet asked "O people, have I faithfully delivered unto you my message?" A powerful murmur of assents "O Allah! yes!"arose from thousands of pilgrims and the vibrant words "Allahumma Na'm," rolled like thunder throughout the valley. Do you believe there is anything missing from religion because of this Hadith that the prophet saas said bring me the pen and paper otherwise you will go astray? If you do your saying that Allah swt sent the prophet saas and couldn’t deliver his message to the people instead they ended up being astray so that means the prophet saas failed as a prophet in your eyes.
Jazakallah Khair FARID BHAI Here , Ex muslims of INDIA were also quoting that hadith with their stupid claim that prophet was dictated by UMAR RA (Astagfirullah) aur prophet feared him
Never believe what a Shia Rafidah says (such as..rafidah or Athna‘ashariyyah or Ithna‘ashariyyah) because according to their books written by their imaams, they follow Taqiyya (lying about their religion)! I meant Al-Kafi is the MOST reliable Shia Book, as the reliable Shia Scholars. Anyone believe these following from Al-Kaafee/Kafi are NOT MUSLIM OR IN ISLAM. Sayed Ammar Nakshawani as a Shia believer or a Rafidah. If he believes kitab al-Kafi and bihar al-Anwar, he is no longer in Islam or Muslim. ...could be a SHIA RAFIDAH. 1) The Imams have knowledge of All that was given to the angels and the prophets. ( Al-Kafi vol.1 p.255 ) 2) The Imams know when they will die, and they only die by their choice. ( Al-Kafi vol.1 p.258 ) 3) The Imams have knowledge of the past and future; and nothing is hidden from them. ( Al-Kafi vol.1 p.260 ) 4) "Bad'ah" ALLAH tells a lie. (Al Kafi, Vol. No.1, Page No. 148. A Shia doctrine.) 5) We are the eyes of the God in his creature and the final authority in all human beings. (Al Kafi, Vol. No. 1, Page No. 145) 6) The Hujjat (Ultimate proof) of God can not be established without Imam. (Al Kafi, Vol. No. 1, Page No. 177) 7) The Shiite Raafidaah claim that the Al Quran we have is missing 10,000+ verses. (Al-Kafi, Vol 2 Pg. 634) 8) All the ṣaḥābah (the companions of the Islamic prophet Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam) became murtadd after the death of Rasulullah Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam, except three. (Rawdat Al Kafi, Vol. No. 8, Page No. 167)
The religion is already completed in hajjat al wada (surah al Maida verse 3). And why the prophet (pbuh) didn't mention the most important thing which is imamah of Ali (Ra) according to shia, why didin't he mention it in front of a huge number of people in hajjat al wada and wait until his dying day after the deen was already completed. and why shia assume that the prophet was about to write something about Ali imamah in that day. Does not make any sense
He did over and over again but people like you lived during that time so they kept fighting against it. The Prophet called Ali his successor from the beginning during the feast. He called him his Caliph and successor but it's like Allah says in the Quran plenty of times about you people.... you just make excuses
If he asks for a pen , simple give him , but umar dint give him , the reality is because he was affraid prophet will write Ali's name as his successor stop giving illogical excuses.
One of the most famous atsar was when Umar refused to believe that Rasulullah has died and even threaten everyone from speaking so until Abu Bakr recited one ayah (Ali Imran : 144) to him and he accepted it. In some narration it was mentioned that after hearing that ayah, Umar fell to the ground.
This pen and paper incident happened on Thursday. The Prophet (saw) died on Monday, 3 days later. If it was something important, the Prophet (saw) had enough time to say it. Also, Allah says in the Quran that in Surah Maeda (5) ayah 3 "...This day I have perfected for you your religion and completed my favour upon you...". This means Islam was perfect and complete when the Prophet (saw) died. If Shias say the Prophet didn't have a chance to deliver this information to us, that means they saying Islam wasn't perfect and complete which is again the ayah of the Quran
So you are of the opinion that the Prophet was delirious while on his deathbed, had nothing "important" to say, nothing "that would not make you go astray after him" WHO ARE YOU, to judge what the Prophet wanted to say was important or not? The Prophet says something, you comply, not give your opinion, or ijtihad, like Umar and Abu bakr seem to like to do a lot
@ihsanalsaleh I agree Omar (ra) made a mistake. He is not infallable. But the Prophet (saw) was still alive for the next 3 days. I'm just saying its impossible thar the Prophet (saw) failed to deliver a wahyi before he passed away because we have that ayah I mentioned above
Read about Ghadeer Al Khum please. Prophet Mohammed (saww) APPOINTED Ali(as) as his successor. And PROPHET OF ALLAH (SAWW) asks for Pen and Paper and there’s NO MORE ARGUMENT!! You just OBEY THE PROPHET OF ALLAH!!!
And how can you possibly think that Rasool Allah didn’t appoint anyone as his successor and left the Ummah to decide the leader??? Where in the history of Islam there’s Saqifa?? Go read the event of Ghadeer Al Khum and you’ll realise. May Allah guide you to the true path, Aameen
Once again, weak rebuttals. If the Prophet asks he is clearly strong enough to do it, secondly if the Prophet asks me to do it, I'd do it without question. Sayed Ammar didn't say that they're all kafir, love how you said misrepresentation and then go on to misrepresent what he said.
Yeah , you can make excuses for satan also , he used to care so much about The God that he disobeyed Him by not following His instruction but eventually accepted to get out when he was asked to get out 😂
What about when Ali (may Allah be pleased with him) refused to erase the title of RasulAllah (SAW) when it was commanded by RasulAllah (SAW), excuses, let's play your game of assuming the worst but I won't stoop that low. Excuses...
@@everythingandroidois we don't have any such narration mentioning Ali ( A.S) refused to erase any statement despite ordered by the Holly prophet. The sunni sources that mention this event are weak , unreliable and lack uniformity in details of the event You can search all those narrations if you want for yourself , for us , these sources are not reliable at all to make an opinion about those divinely guided people.
@@hammadhussain4422 its literally in our must authentic book Sahih al-Bukhari 3184 "By Allah I will never erase it" Dont lie on our Sources. Ali is not infallible.
Asalaam alaykum my Sunni brother. I literally had to pull up off the m-way to comment on this video. Speaking as respectfully as possible this is the BIGGEST pile of malaki I have ever heared. Umer wasn’t the only one who left so what importance does that have in making him great or greater? Pointless comment. Yes he did want to stop him as it Would be a written will motive or no motive he rejected the holy prophet saw what he wanted. As for he didn’t know he was on his deathbed… come on ya akhi plz try and sound intelligent the words the prophet saw’s were clear he was LEAVING behind something. As to Imam Ali as didn’t know…. Where does it say that? And kicking out. It was Umer and co’s actions aswell as those arguing so it lays on them not the others that aren’t mentioned. This is all from ur books. Ur points are baseless with no references yet u say you are not ppl of conjuring up reasons yet that’s all you’ve been doing. Umer denied the prophet saw his request, he overrode the prophet saw’s order told HIM what’s sufficient And yes this enough to anger him he’s gone through so much to preach and spread the teaching he was ordered to and now when it is said to him tell otherwise your message will not be complete those that say and r meant to b close to him are denying him that when he’s trying to, arguing infront of him yeeea too right that’s going to anger him. Truth is Syed Ammar has made nothing but a factual and educated video based off Sunni AUTHENTIC sources and the response I have heared are nothing but spectulations and personal opinions yet u say that’s not what u do. With all due respect are u a sheikh? A scholar? If not your argument is baseless and also because you have not displayed a single credible piece of evidence. P.s I love the fact that u had to revert to the point of mutha/tharawee. This is y he made them videos because it was a defensive video as this ALWAYS seems to be the choice of weapon when firing shots at Shia. Especially when the argument is weak JUST LIKE WHAT YOU PROVED! This is y he HAD to make a DEFENSIVE video explaining it. Bro I really hope u see the light I understand ur dilemma as your beliefs are made on a fragile house of cards any shake to it risks it collapsing so it’s always best to keep believing regardless of what proofs are thrown at u. But think do follow Allah swt or your worldly respect sitting on that house of cards? Do you follow the Sunnah of Umer or that of the Holy Prophet saw (because u clearly shy’d away from that Point) No love loss I still have love and respect for my Sunni Muslim brothers and wish we could all be one umma that RosoolAllah saw set out to create.
Brother. Lets take your point to its conclusion. You believe Islam without what the Prophet was going to write would be incomplete. As in Immah (a core tenet of your aqeedah) was left unaddressed by the Prophet(SAW)? How can you believe in an incomplete religion?
mr rafzi, Quran 7:158 shows that Prophet a.s was UNLETTERED. How can an UNLETTERED person ask for paper & letter to write something. This hadith doesnt sound authentic to me. Umar was from FIRST EMIGRANTS that Allah promised Paradise in Quran 9:100
@@mushy5518 Quran 7:158 shows that Prophet a.s was UNLETTERED. How can an UNLETTERED person ask for paper & letter to write something. This hadith doesnt sound authentic to me. Umar was from FIRST EMIGRANTS that Allah promised Paradise in Quran 9:100
@@mushy5518 So if a pen and paper was given to our Prophet SAWA, it would not be important to the religion, that he is going to speak with false hood? The religion is complete, but don't you think maybe today we would not have so much division because Rasullulah SAW had an answer to it?
@@gr3en_jamfatima295 No the point being made is that clearly it wasnt as important as you are making it out to be. The Shia want to act like Umar (RA) stopped the Prophet(SAW) from naming his successor but clearly it wasnt a critical tenet of our religion. To attribute malice toward Umar(RA) and to assume that it was anything but love requires you to have the most biased take on the Hadith. Its a classic move by Shia to go and cherry pick Hadith and attribute motive to the Sahaba but reject all the other Hadiths in which they are praised or vouched for by the Prophet (SAW) or Ali(RA) or any of the Ahlul Bayt. Its very similar to what the enemies of Islam do but ofcourse because Hadith isnt as perfect as the Holy Quran you can twist it a lot more to suit your narrative
So basically Umar was concerned about not pushing the Prophet when he was extremely sick. Fair enough, but if the Prophet asked for something and even put a high value to it (no misguidance after that) then why would anyone have to put forth his opinion above the wish of the Prophet? The disturbance sprouted when this request was denied otherwise there was nothing before that. You gave an example of a sheikh you admire, well wouldn't you want to do everything for that sheikh when he is sick and when asks you for something? I mean you can care for him to ensure he doesn't trouble himself but there is no trouble of bringing because he asked you to bring it and there is no way of knowing that writing would cause him any trouble (he can tell you to write if it will become a trouble for him, is it fair to deny him only because you think he needs to rest while he is asking you to do it?). And if the sheikh is your biggest teacher, won't even his words during sickness be a gem for you especially when he has put a very high value to this action (no misguidance after this). Won't it be a regret that you caused him not to have that written and he passed away? Why put forth an opinion above his opinion in the first place? If you have a fatherly care for him then true you wouldn't want him disturbed but would you be ready to miss guidance only because you know he is sick and you have another guidance in the meantime that is sufficient so it is fair to stop this guidance from coming at this time?
Answer my questions so your admitting sayidna Ali ra refused an order of the prophet saas? It’s ok when sayidna Ali ra does it but when sayidna Umar ra does it it’s a problem. Do you know that sayidna Ali ra was in the room when all this was going on? Why didn’t he get involved and bring him the pen and paper? Did he also sin? Believe me if the the prophet saas wanted that pen and paper he would of got it. Do you know that the prophet saas was taken to the mimbar before he died to deliver a very important speech to the people so he had the chance to say anything he wanted to say on the mimbar which was the largest gathering of the sahaba if he wanted to deliver that message why wouldn’t he deliver it to the sahaba on that day? He even said Towards the end of his sermon, the Prophet asked "O people, have I faithfully delivered unto you my message?" A powerful murmur of assents "O Allah! yes!"arose from thousands of pilgrims and the vibrant words "Allahumma Na'm," rolled like thunder throughout the valley. Do you believe there is anything missing from religion because of this Hadith that the prophet saas said bring me the pen and paper otherwise you will go astray? If you do your saying that Allah swt sent the prophet saas and couldn’t deliver his message to the people instead they ended up being astray so that means the prophet saas failed as a prophet in your eyes.
If you are sincere, this should not be the case since Ali (RA) also made mistakes like not changing the title of RasulAllah (SAW) when asked to in the treaty by Mohammad (SAW). Humans make mistakes, but this does not mean they are bad individuals in general, Omar (RA) was simply mistaken and referred to the sickness of RasulAllah (SAW) as an incorrect opinion. But elsewhere you will find praise of Omar Al-Farooq (RA), like... "The Prophet said, "Among the nation of Bani Israel who lived before you, there were men who used to be inspired with guidance though they were not prophets, and if there is any of such persons amongst my followers, it is 'Umar."" - Sahih Bukhari And even Ibn Abbas (RA) after the incident and being upset over the disagreements still said... Ibn Abbas (RA) actually called Omar (RA) after this incident of pen and paper the dearest to him later on in his life. "Ibn Abbas reported: I heard it from so many Companions of the Messenger of Allah(SAWS) and one among them is ‘Umar bin Khattab, who was the dearest of them to me." - Sahih Muslim 826
We believe at every junction of the prophet’s (saws) mission Ali (as) was there ,. And he glorified him,. And made an allusion that he was the successor,. Starting with when he was mocked by his own family,. In the beginning of his mission,.
And I didn't see anything in this video that disproves what Sayyed Ammar said, he admitted Umar stopped the prophet from writing and claimed it was because he feared for the prophet's health, does he(Umar) know the health of the prophet better than he(SAW) knows himself?
An entire video by Farid and his laanthi face trying to “refute” and the most you took from the video is this 🤣 Mentally challenged and intellectually diminished lot
Your arguments make shia more firm believer in their faith and will make sunni's more wobbling. Keep putting weak arguments and people will find the hard truth.
I think you have to try much harder than this in order to reply to the arguments and use actual facts and evidences. The truth is quite tough to swallow. May Allah guide us and Insha'Allah make you lose your biases and accept Rasool'Allah's (PBUH) actual Islam which the Shias have proudly held on to.
I usually don't message or comment/respond to any videos but I am glad Br Farid that you managed to see and respond the videos. I don't know why in Ramadan Ammar wants to discuss of sunni/shia conflict when he never faced Br Asrar and then on a show contradicted his own words.
He answered EVERYTHING and will continue just make sure ur strapped in it’s gonna be a hell of a ride! He has been called out directly MANY MANY times. There doesn’t need to be any direct calling anyways, you point a finger at one you’ve pointed it all jus as we Muslims feel when we’re targeted by non Muslims.
@@Syy-q5h he answered nothing with any credible source. Just his own opinion. Farid should stick to eating mint chocolate and put some weight on instead of pretending to be a man of wisdom
everyone one makes mistakes, nashwani addresses mufti menk, zakir naik, Assim al hakeem & M hijab as sunnis, it is s amistake while ther are super wahabis , i dont know about farid guy, but if he does not celebrate mawlid, 27 rajab & 15 shaban which i believe, then he is also wahabi. also The objective of farid video was to address envy and hatred against nakhswani , yet it lacks authentic evidence, relying solely on personal opinions. and attacks, nakshwani is not saying do mutas and not pray tarawee, it is fact from sunii sources the muta was allowed in islam, Prophet wives hafa and aisha was critisiced in quran, umar did so manty things wrong and look like h did not care about the Prophet PBUH, i even read he wanted to kill the Prophet PBUH which nakshwani didnot say. the Q is iff faird guy thinks umar was a nice guy and will be first to go to jannah even before prophet, because this is what is actually saying, i think it is a bold think to say. Think and decide !!!!! . After conducting critical and rational analysis alongside research, it is evident that Umar displayed traits of being shady and emotional, merely paying lip service to Islam without progressing beyond stage one, a facet often overlooked. meaning he was not a momin, left alone sideem, arif, alwaiya while on the other side Imam Ali was arif, awiliya, siddiqeen and sabirren, being a sufi, this is my conlusion which no one talking about yet. Think and decide !!!!! @@Syy-q5h
@@thelion2087 Umar never ran, but you know who did? your 12th Imam. Bro has been running for 1200+ years, scared and quivering in his little cave. Deliver this message from me, and tell him that the Abbasids are gone, so he can touch grass once more.
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If the Prophets asks for pen and paper, you bring pen and paper simple.
So if the prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) asks for title to be erased by Ali (may Allah be pleased with him), this makes that person a deviant Sahaba? Ofcourse not, it's a mistake out of wrong opinion, Omar (may Allah be pleased with him) was referring to RasulAllah (SAW)'s severe sickness and this was his reasoning and wrong opinion, which is a mistake just like the former.
@@everythingandroidoishow are these two things even related? One is a gesture out of respect for Prophet's name, other is pure disrespect.
The Messenger, may God bless him and grant him peace, was on his deathbed and was very stressed, and Omar Ibn Al-Khattab, may God be pleased with him, wanted him to rest.
@@-------....___ we curse only the zalimoon, worship only Allah.
@@-------....___ ignorant.
Thank you Farid for this video - your arguments made me even more firm on the teachings of Ahlulbayt. Al hamdoulillah for the path of Ahlulbayt (as)
Right? No sources, all excuses and speculation. The more I watch these types of videos trying to counter the teachings of Shiasm, the stronger my faith in it becomes.
@@hf8547
He doesn't have to provide sources since the source you use backfires at you.
Ali didn't bring the pen and paper, Ali disobeyed the prophet, Ali isn't infallible, Shiism is false.
Replace Ali(as) with Umar (LA) in your sentences. Disrespected gods greatest creation in the Prophet pbuh and attempted an assassination and you worship him and his daughter more than Allah and Muhammad astaghfurallah. Subhan Allah you have the protectors of umayads who killed the prophets bloodline and the protectors of the prophet and his family. Fear god.
@@abhmd4481 🤣🤣🤣 you make such a coherent and intelligent argument. Cannot stop laughing 😆 🤪
Ali slept in Prophets bed when Prophet made the Hijra to protect the Faith while Umar fled from the wars, WHY? Explanation will be appreciated for your argument @@abhmd4481
So the Prophet a literal messenger of Allah alive in front of you asks for a pen and paper to write something that WILL NOT LEAD YOU ASTRAY. Yet you call him seriously ill and say the quran is enough. There is no excuse for that. Why would you ever reject something this important especially before the death of Rasool Allah
Ali Ra was one of them
Why would the man RA who fought in the name of Allah and His Prophet SAWW, who gave his daughter to Rasullullah SAWW, who killed his own family members for oppressing his Islamic coreligionists, who would follow The Prophet SAWW's teachings even if they sometimes didn't make sense to him, who rejected his(SAWW) death, even threatening people's lives for acknowledging his death before Abu Bakr RA consoled him, do so for anything other than a fear for the Prophet's SAWW health while he was seriously ill and they hoped against hope that he would get better?
What if he believed that he(SAWW) would be able to give such a message at a better time?
Is it kufr to have concern for the Messenger SAWW and hope for a better time for the message?
@@ibrahimihsan2090 he wanted to usurper the caliphate, for himself and his friend. This event clearly showed his intention.
what do you mean say the message at another time, in gahdeer the prophet said i am leaving this world so how else can he give the message, he would simply if omar would just shut up for a sec and do something like smack abu huraira or question the prophet then questioning abu bakr the prophet would have easily given by a pen paper and not only that THEY ANGERED THE PROPHET AND TOLD THEM GET UP AND LEAVE. its like the prophet smiled when he said that.@@ibrahimihsan2090
@@Ishi1XP No it doesn't.
Is this really what you Shi'ites are taught?
I understand that the words of a prophet are very important but we have to consider that he(SAWW) was human and that people would worry about his health at the time. We have little reason to believe they thought he was about to die(in fact, he may have died a few days later) so it is easy to argue that Umar RA was simply concerned for his health and hoped the Prophet SAWW would give his message at a later time.
Also, can you curb your conspiracy theories and at the very least acknowledge that when it comes to this Sunni hadith, the Prophet SAWW wasn't talking about succession but about certain Islamic rulings, most of which he eventually got the chance to inform them about?
5:43 totally weak argument. He said: The Qur'an is enough not "wait until you(oh prophet) get better" or "until the prophet gets better". It Simply doesnt work.
It says in the beginning, "the prophet may peace and blessings be upon him is seriously ill", and then adds that in after, why would he say the prophet is seriously ill if his opinion was only that only the Quran is sufficient for all of time even after him becoming better?
It was a wrong opinion of his and a mistake like any human, but you unfortunately will take this as evidence but not the other praises of Umar Al Farooq (Allah be pleases with him).
@@everythingandroidois He was Very clear. What you are saying makes no Sense, he Said that the Qur'an is enough and that is not his opinion?
@@kaiquecrisostomo846Then why did he have to bring up the prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) being severely ill? It would be pointless according to your narrative because he should have just said "tHe Quran is enough". Handwaving is not a proper response.
How about when Ali (may Allah be pleased with him) did said "no" to RasulAllah (SAW) and did not erase what he commanded? You will give a good twist to that, but not to this due to your bias?
@@everythingandroidois You disobey RasoolAllah to his face then claim this person was great enough to be prophet!
That is where your & farid logic is at gutter level
the prophet pbuh lived for 3 more days, and even gave a sermon in which he said what he would've wrote. so you majoosis stay coping, because you got no evidence for Ali's successorship after the prophet and the infallibility of the 12 ''imams.''
Mashallah. Sunni brothers can never escape from the Hadith of paper and pen! All they can do is to play around and try to justify what Umar did
Play around lol at least no one rejecting and the explanation is given. Shias have no case
Pen paper for what?
Narrated by Aisha (may Allah be pleased with her):
"When Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) was in his last illness, he asked for a sheet (to cover his body), and he wore it as a garment; then he fainted and, when he recovered consciousness, he asked for a pen and a paper and wrote, 'Write: No one has the right to be worshipped but Allah; and Muhammad is His Messenger.' " (Sahih al-Bukhari, Book 64, Hadith 468)
Amazing how the Shi'a claim to love Ali, yet interpret hadith to portray him as a coward incapable of standing up to Umar.
Here we have Umar somehow stopping the guidance of the Ummah, and Ali's just letting it happen?
A bit like the lies about Fatima's house. Again, Ali, the infallible Imam and praised warrior, fails to stand up for what is right.
Ali also refused orders from the prophet when writing his name. This is your infallible imam by the way you have bigger problems.
Wallahi this Hadith was a turning point for me. I was brought up into a Sunni household (Deoband school). After I read this Hadith in front of my own eyes from Bukhari (I still remember it vividly. It was Ramadan and I went to pray taraweeh at Shah Faisal Mosque back then in Islamabad, Pakistan. Went to the library and read that with my own eyes). From that day onward I am a proud follower of Ahlulbayt school of thought. Your arguments or repose to Ammar didn’t make any sense. The bottom line is that The last prophet of Allah (which do not speak form his own whims and desires, rather whatever the prophet says is from Allah) he was disobeyed. Umar Ibn Khattab et al., did not let prophet put his will to writing so ummah doesn’t go astray. And indeed, from that day onward, Muslims have strayed. What an unfortunate event, Ibn abbas says and cried while narrating this. That messenger of Allah was prevented from writing his will! Alas.
Seeing people like you reminds me of Christian converts 😂
ٱلْـحَـمْـدُ للهِ
Towards the end of his sermon, the Prophet asked "O people, have I faithfully delivered unto you my message?" A powerful murmur of assents "O Allah! yes!"arose from thousands of pilgrims and the vibrant words "Allahumma Na'm," rolled like thunder throughout the valley.
@@aksjcre8 Towards the end of his sermon, the Prophet asked "O people, have I faithfully delivered unto you my message?" A powerful murmur of assents "O Allah! yes!"arose from thousands of pilgrims and the vibrant words "Allahumma Na'm," rolled like thunder throughout the valley.
Answer my questions so your admitting sayidna Ali ra refused an order of the prophet saas? It’s ok when sayidna Ali ra does it but when sayidna Umar ra does it it’s a problem. Do you know that sayidna Ali ra was in the room when all this was going on? Why didn’t he get involved and bring him the pen and paper? Did he also sin? Believe me if the the prophet saas wanted that pen and paper he would of got it. Do you know that the prophet saas was taken to the mimbar before he died to deliver a very important speech to the people so he had the chance to say anything he wanted to say on the mimbar which was the largest gathering of the sahaba if he wanted to deliver that message why wouldn’t he deliver it to the sahaba on that day? He even said Towards the end of his sermon, the Prophet asked "O people, have I faithfully delivered unto you my message?" A powerful murmur of assents "O Allah! yes!"arose from thousands of pilgrims and the vibrant words "Allahumma Na'm," rolled like thunder throughout the valley.
Do you believe there is anything missing from religion because of this Hadith that the prophet saas said bring me the pen and paper otherwise you will go astray? If you do your saying that Allah swt sent the prophet saas and couldn’t deliver his message to the people instead they ended up being astray so that means the prophet saas failed as a prophet in your eyes.
Oh ok. So according to u the incident of Ghadeer e khum never happened before the Holy Prophet pbuh passed away? He didn't announce his successor before?
The incident of hadees e kisaa never happened where Allah said he has kept all types of impurities away from the ahlulbayt?? And said that they cannot ever commit a sin, let alone talk back to the Holy Prophet.
Secondly i dont understand why u defend someone who has been a kafir for 40 years and only accepted islam out of fear of being killed. Then he angered the only remaining daughter of the Holy Prophet pbuh, burned her door, pushed it upon her, killed the Child in her womb (this is all in ur books btw) and she died angry with him and abu bakr
I mean, seriously, to what level will u go to in defending him? As if speaking above the Messenger of Allah is not enough, let alone calling him delirious nauzobillah. U will even throw ur own prophet under the bus for defending a fallible human being?? Astaghfirullah
To anyone reading this i advise u to plz watch the whole video of Dr Ammar and then decide which side u r on. MY PROPHET PBUH IS THE GREATEST AND MOST COMPLETE CREATION OF GOD, WHETHER IN SICKNESS OR IN HEALTH. WHETHER IN PAIN OR NOT. I HAVE BEEN TOLD TO OBEY HIM REGARDLESS OF HIS HEALTH CONDITIONS. THEN WHO THE HELL IS OMAR TO DECIDE WHAT HE SHOULD AND SHOULDN'T DO??!
Accepted islam out of fear of being smited, no authentic evidence.
"Burned her door, pushed it upon her, ...", not authentic according to shia and sunni sources, sorry.
Didn't say he specifically called him delerious in the source.
The incident of the pen and paper was a mistake because Omar (RA) made a mistake in his opinion of thinking he (SAW) was too sick to do it and should wait until after but you will use this as evidence against Omar (RA) and disregard the same sources showing Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) praising him. He is not infallible though.
"The Prophet said, "Among the nation of Bani Israel who lived before you, there were men who used to be inspired with guidance though they were not prophets, and if there is any of such persons amongst my followers, it is 'Umar."" - Sahih Bukhari
And many others, but you will deny ofcourse.
How much more can you lie about Omar Al Farooq (Allah be pleased with him).
As for the other topics about Imama, you can watch Mohammed Hijab's londoniyya on Shiasm where he goes over Imama and the understandings and evidences and weak evidences used.
Ohh so sahih bukhari and muslim are not authentic sunni books?? Wonder why they are called sahih then
Just answer me this: did omar know more than the Prophet pbuh?? Did he come with the book of Allah? Was he the messenger? If your Prophet pbuh is telling u to bring Him pbuh something, would you ever deny him? Was he asking for a knife?? No. Just a pen and paper.
The thing is: sunnis have associated the hypocrite sahabas with their own identity. So questioning them is like questioning your whole life and everything u have believed uptil now. I get it. Its hard. But not if u love the truth. And actually want to seek out the true path.
Please brush up on ur islamic history and then decide whats right and wrong. That alone will be enough for u
@@PsychedOutSoulDon't play sarcastic as you provided no evidence for the counterclaims I made, you said, "burned her (Fatima may Allah be pleased with her) door, pushed it upon her, and smited the baby"...
Go ahead and show me this in the two sahih books please, if not please stay quiet because you are just parroting other shia people and doing blind following of your shia clerics without properly looking in.
As for the issue pertaining to Omar Al-Farooq (may Allah be pleased with him), I told you that he made a mistake in his judgment in thinking it was a better decision to not happen as Prophet Muhammad (may peace and blessings be upon him) was very sick. I also showed you the same source, sahih bukhari, showing Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) praising Omar (RA) but I know you guys will reject that because you cherry pick.
Again, on the issue of Imama please check out Mohammed Hijab as he addresses this on "londoniyya shiaism".
Allah would never choose a Prophet who always ran away from battles. Who used to drink even after islam (also in muslim and bukhari), who was kicked out by the Prophet on his deathbed, a whole ayah was revealed for him that do not raise ur voices above the voice of the Prophet pbuh bcz if u do that, every good deed u have ever done will become zero. (surah hujarat) Go and read ur tafaseer. That ayah is about omar and abu bakr. Apni books parhi nai hoteen aise hi behas karne aa jate hain
And I'll say it again The incident of the door is mentioned in both ur books. Khud mehnat kar k Google karlo I'm not gonna spoonfeed u
@@PsychedOutSoul Answer my questions so your admitting sayidna Ali ra refused an order of the prophet saas? It’s ok when sayidna Ali ra does it but when sayidna Umar ra does it it’s a problem. Do you know that sayidna Ali ra was in the room when all this was going on? Why didn’t he get involved and bring him the pen and paper? Did he also sin? Believe me if the the prophet saas wanted that pen and paper he would of got it. Do you know that the prophet saas was taken to the mimbar before he died to deliver a very important speech to the people so he had the chance to say anything he wanted to say on the mimbar which was the largest gathering of the sahaba if he wanted to deliver that message why wouldn’t he deliver it to the sahaba on that day? He even said Towards the end of his sermon, the Prophet asked "O people, have I faithfully delivered unto you my message?" A powerful murmur of assents "O Allah! yes!"arose from thousands of pilgrims and the vibrant words "Allahumma Na'm," rolled like thunder throughout the valley.
Do you believe there is anything missing from religion because of this Hadith that the prophet saas said bring me the pen and paper otherwise you will go astray? If you do your saying that Allah swt sent the prophet saas and couldn’t deliver his message to the people instead they ended up being astray so that means the prophet saas failed as a prophet in your eyes.
To cover umar's bad intentions farid gave this hadith in respond to make umar look like he really cared:
Sa'id bin Al-Musaiyab told me that 'Umar said, "By Allah, when I heard Abu Bakr reciting it, my legs could not support me and I fell down at the very moment of hearing him reciting it, declaring that the Prophet had died."
This hadith has weak isnad, the chain is missing so it cannot be considered strong. Love playing back the chain of narrators game on you. Because thats what you do on some of your videos focusing of weak chains but you urself provide hadith with weak chain.
Evidence?
Haha some? He does that I ALL his refutations because he knows people don't know what he's talking about but then he uses hadiths that have weak narrators as well. Literally his only comeback because he knew he can get away with it
Points to refute in summary:
Is it Ammar's words or Sahih hadeeth?
Is the Qur'an truly enough for us?When it comes to ibadat atleast?
Are hadeeth compilers wrong then?
Would you deny a man with the best decision making, protected from mistakes and sinning and greatest leader in the world something he wants no matter the situation?
Did Umar make it clear that he will ensure Rasoulullah gets them at a later time?
If Umar did it out of love, why is he being chased out? (NB companions NOT Family chased out) :)
Umar din't say teach us hadeeth. Rasoullullah asked for it. He asks. You obey. Simple
why didnt Ali RA bring the pen and paper? or any of the ahlul bayt? on that day or alter on? they disobeyed, too then, didnt they?
and where does it say that it was to mention Ali RA as successor? provide that detail from the Sahih Ahadith. not feelings and ammar's words.
@@syedyasirali1974 The eye's are not blind but the hearts. My friend if we care about the akhirah then atleast listen from the words of the ahlulbayte (AS). Dua kumayl dua abu humza thumali cmon buddy.
@10:10 honestly im starting to doubt you actually watched ammars full lecture. His claim wasn't that he couldn't deliver the message his claim was that he was being stopped from putting it writing and that despite years of delivering the message he wanted it in writing one final time so that you dont go astray. Sadly he was prevented and indeed we all went astray
Well maybe he wanted Abu Bakr (may Allah be pleased with him's) name on their? It's just an endless circle and assumptions won't help just like my case here.
@@everythingandroidois that's fair brother. Maybe he did maybe he didn't although this wasn't the point. And I am not assuming that he was going to appoint Ali (3s) the point is that he was prevented from doing so
@@whereztheEvidence It isn't fair it is pathetic conjecture. There is overwhelming evidence RasoolAllah want Ali (as) to be his successor. There zero evidence for RasoolAllah wanting Abu Bakar to be his successor. They come out with he lead the salaah when he was ill but never should have been there if he had obeyed RasoolAllah.
It is very clear what he wanted to write and Umar clearly knew what he was doing. There is a lot evidence for this all they give is pathetic excuse to Ghadir khum
@@Shia.Ahlulbayt while I agree with you wholeheartedly. I am giving the poor man the benefit of the doubt for the sake of argument. Afterall I am commenting to clarify Sayed Ammars point and position which is clearly being misinterpreted by creator of the video
@@whereztheEvidence Exactly that all they have to throw conjecture at it. It could mean this or that etc. That is all they have.
That is why we shouldn't give inch to these disingenuous arguments.
Look at the comments Farid fan club they were desperate for any kind of response. This feeble one from Farid they will still cheer on.
I remember how bad his video on the battle of jamal was. He ended by saying it was like a dispute with your family. Normal families don't go to war and kill each other. That is how bad his arguments are. But they praised that video so much because they were desperate to make any excuse for the inexcusable. That is all he does
What a poor translation of events. You were better of staying silent!
Doesnt it say in Ibn Sa'd that Umar states that the prophet PBUH is in delirium? Ammar Nakshawani also uses Quran that no one is to speak over the Prophet PBUH. You cant say that Umar was in the right at all. Obviously there was something he wanted to write down (not sure what it was even though Shia may say it was to name the successor) and Umar should not have stopped the Prophet PBUH from doing so.
He verse not to speak over was given at another time before this incident
@@darktirad One should never speak over the Prophet PBUH was the point. We are, including Umar, lower than he is. We shouldn't interrupt him out of respect and just the fact that he is Rasullulah.
Ali did the same thing when the prophet told him to write for him
U didnt even watch the video…
@kamranahmed6446 The prophet wanted to write something, he got in the way of it (whether it was out of concern or not is not important) and as a result the prophet ended up not writing what he wanted down. Shia will say he was going to write down the successor but we will never know but it's clear he wanted to write something down.
Ibn Sa'd hadith it says that Umar said he might be delirious. This isn't that big of a deal if you think about Hadiths also saying that the Prophet wasn't sure whether he had sex or not and even had witchcraft placed on him.
Farid says Umar didn't know that the Prophet would die 4 days later. Ok, and?
The issue is that there was something he wanted to write down and he didn't.
Sayed Ammar provides facts on this matter
Farid provides his personal opinion on the matter ... ahlul sunna is amazed by farid 🤣
Always amazes me how easy it is to misguide people
The prophet pbuh has appointed imam ali at ghadeer khum , dont deny history.
Well pointed out
Ammar provides personal opinions and extrapolates from the Hadith.
@syed2194 so the factual hadiths from your SAHIH books are not enough? Did you needed to be physically present at the event to believe ?
@@noorhussain6462 I fully believe in all sahih ahadith.
@syed2194 sayed ammar needs to do a topic on the fabrications of abu huraira next.
Farid rightly said that the hadith which Ammar quoted did not mention of Umar. But there is another hadith in Bukhari which clearly mentions Umar. 'Bring for me (writing) paper and I will write for you a statement after which you will not go astray.' But `Umar said, 'The Prophet is seriously ill, and we have got Allah's Book with us and that is sufficient for us. 'Sahih al-Bukhari 3053. In-book reference : Book 56, Hadith 259
My friends usually discuss these topics and the shi3a mentioned this but the sunni claimed it was weak? Is there any information about the authenticity of this narration?
@@a7bkx204 brother this is in Sahih Bukhari. So there is no question of isnad.
Umar believed the prophet was too ill to write at that point in time, I don't see any issue with that. You shias are forcing a maleficent intent when there is none. The prophet had multiple days after this to write or say what he wished, but chose not to, which goes to show that it was not needed in that time. Also Allah SWT said he has perfected the religion in the Quran, so there was nothing left to add after that point.
Forgive me for my knowledge but does that it means it is authentic? Isnad is what we used to determine if the narrators are truthful/reliable?
Once upon a time this shi3a guy I know informed me that in his final days the Prophet PBUH instructed to companions to go to war under the command of Usama but they refused. Any information on that?
Convenient that you managed to clip out the part where Ammar questions "but Umar said" when this was a big question during this talk. In other words when the Rasul (s.a) speaks you comply. You don't "but"
He also conveniently clip out the part of his Syaikh Assim Al-Hakim literally explaining Umar prevented Prophet because he think the Prophet may say/write things that will hurt the Deen. Instead he keep yapping his own personal interpretation that Umar is just worried Prophet is too much in pain to say/write. One is Umar questioning the mental capability of Prophet, one is Umar questioning the physical capability of Prophet, BIG DIFFERENCE
@@roffi_daijoubuThat's what I don't really find his videos convincing.
you do realize he fainted afterwards??
imagine the prophet saw asking you to get some paper and he immeditely faints and you leave him and get some paper
@@hotcharizard874 you're kidding right? Imagine the Rasul (swt) asked you for anything and you replied with "but".
The point remains, why didn't the Prophet (as) have it dictated at a later time, if it was so important. And why would he have to say it again if he already declared Ali (ra) the caliph. It's total speculation on the part of the Shia. Regarding Umar(ra), there is nothing in Umar's history (post reversion) and his time as Caliph that would make you suspect he had ulterior motives, yet the Shia want you to believe this. One of his most closest companions, fighting and defending the Prophet all his life, and as Caliph lived meagerly and spread Islam. I know it's hard to imagine saying 'but' to the Prophet, but these were his companions, they didn't always have to be formal with the Prophet(sa). Also, I don't see the problem with questioning the Prophets mental capabilities. There are many illnesses that can cause delirium, including pneumonia, which could have been what the Prophet (sa) was inflicted with before his death. Allah knows best. @@roffi_daijoubu
He denied pen and paper just because he was caring so much about the PAIN of holy prophet but didnt denied when he was asked to leave and acted upon it 😂. If he was really that much caring person why did he left the prophet in pain instead of staying .
also them saying if Allah really wanted it to happen it would have happened. He would have gotten the pen and paper. it is like saying that if Allah really wanted His creation to worship Him then He would have created us as robots. It is like saying if Allah loves His prophets H e would have given Nabii Nuh and Lut obedient sons and wives. Weak arguments. Anything to defend Umar. Funny thing when he says Ammar says.. no it is not Ammar but Saheeh books
When RasulAllah says he wants something to stop people from going astray, if you truthfully believe his Nubuwwa you would not say anything and you would listen. If the Prophet kicks you out on his deathbed, YOU did something wrong. Wake up akhi, Umar has done a lot of wrong in your own books. It's time we stop making excuses. Politics was as real then as it is now
@@andrewsarinas1180 All the shias in the comments. It's funny everyone says this is "insufficient" and he "needs evidence" when they don't understand that intepreting the text Nakshawani brings forth is using evidence since you could take a bad turn or good turn depending on how you know the person and what people after did. For instance, after this incident, Ibn Abbas RA actually stated that Prophet Muhammad SAW passed away being pleased with Umar RA.
We should also make notice that they are humans and they will make mistakes because their judgment of what they think gets in the way like Ali RA refusing (swearing) to erase the title of RasulAllah at treaty of hudaybiyyah. People could take this to a bad turn or good turn, but we know through context that this person was loved by RasulAllah SAW so similarly when Umar RA refers to severe sickness we can assume it was because he RA did not want more pain to Prophet SAW at that moment and knew the message of Islam was complete as Allah revealed so he thought later but he was wrong ofcourse as was Ali RA in that case, so he would wait and the Prophet SAW had three days to say whatever he wanted SAW.
That means nothing, because Ali didn't give the pen and paper either and probably he also had to leave.
@@altamashbaibars9477 who told you that ?
This happens when you subscribe to the wrong history channel.
Salam alaikum jameean. Plain and simple: Does the Hadith say the prophet asked for a pen and paper? Clearly it does. Did somebody say the prophet is Ill thereby stopping him from getting that paper? Clearly yes again. Did the prophet want the pen and paper? Yes? Did he get the pen and paper? No. Then clearly it means that the prophet was disobeyed. The Quran in 4:59 clearly states to obey Allah and his messenger. Whatever Omar’s intentions good or bad he clearly disobeyed the prophet it’s that simple.
This pen and paper incident happened on Thursday. The Prophet (saw) died on Monday, 3 days later. If it was something important, the Prophet (saw) had enough time to say it. Also, Allah says in the Quran that in Surah Maeda (5) ayah 3 "...This day I have perfected for you your religion and completed my favour upon you...". This means Islam was perfect and complete when the Prophet (saw) died. If Shias say the Prophet didn't have a chance to deliver this information to us, that means they saying Islam wasn't perfect and complete which is against the ayah of the Quran
@@Harith112 Brother the point I’m making is that the prophet was disobeyed. The Shias and Sunnis can believe what they want clearly they each believe what they believe because they think it will take them closer to Allah so He can judge. The point is that the Quran clearly commands the believers to obey Allah and His prophet that means if the prophet says “dont move from this position on mountain” then you don’t move or if he says get me this pen and paper then you get him this pen and paper. The Hadith doesn’t say “don’t get me this pen and paper because I’m ill I can write what I want in a couple of days when I’m better” what it does say is get me this pen and paper so however you feel about Umar the point is he disobeyed Allah and his prophet-plain and simple.
Quran 7:158 shows that Prophet a.s was UNLETTERED. How can an UNLETTERED person ask for paper & letter to write something. This hadith doesnt sound authentic to me.
Umar was from FIRST EMIGRANTS that Allah promised Paradise in Quran 9:100.
@@iMan-610 The point of my comment is that the prophet was disobeyed. If he clearly asks for a pen and paper to write something who is any person to deny him this? It is in a sahih book so clearly the incident happened and he clearly asked for a pen and paper and was disobeyed. The Quran is clear Obey Allah and His messenger. By not obeying him they are disobeying him are they not? Put it another way: if someone is said to be a rightly guided person doesn’t this rightly guided part mean that they obey Allah and his prophet? If they were to disobey Allah and his prophet would you say they are still rightly guided in disobeying the lord of all creation and his final and greatest prophet? It is very simple. He asked for a pen and a paper and it was denied him. God has commanded him to be obeyed if you don’t bring him that pen and paper then you have disobeyed a command of Allah to obey Him and His messenger. It doesn’t matter why Umar disobeyed him. The point is that he did disobey him. Plain and simple.
& does that verse apply to imam ali too during hudaibiyya
im going to be very honest this was a weak explanation you gotta take an L on this one sunnis
Exctly 😂👏🏼
There are quite some concerns here, one the prophet pbuh was unlettered so how could he write, and let's say he did say something to that effect.
It would be just another hadith so there would be variations in it, disputed upon, difference of opinion etc etc.
It would not weigh against even a single quranic verse.
Thirdy, he could've said anything, infinite number of possibilities but it's always , we know what he wanted to say.
Pray tell how do you guys know that.
Narrated by Aisha (may Allah be pleased with her):
"When Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) was in his last illness, he asked for a sheet (to cover his body), and he wore it as a garment; then he fainted and, when he recovered consciousness, he asked for a pen and a paper and wrote, 'Write: No one has the right to be worshipped but Allah; and Muhammad is His Messenger.' " (Sahih al-Bukhari, Book 64, Hadith 468
They won't ditch Umar. It doesn't matter what he did really. If they ditch Umar, Sunnism collapses. This is all expected
bro what do you mean ditch? Are you in your right mind???? who are we to ditch him? when he literally was one of the closest companions of the prophet pbuh to this day his grave lies besides the prophet pbuh. History bears the witness.
@@TheIntrepid-tz4zo We ditch those who ditch the commandments of the Prophet (SAWWS). At least Shias do, Sunnis make excuses for Umar.
@@TheIntrepid-tz4zo the closest companion to the prophet was unable to realise that the Prophet's words are wahy. With our low level faith, would you dare deny the Prophet (saww) anything?
@@haroonramola5983 this incident happened on thursday the prophet pbuh died on monday if he would have wanted to ask for the same thing again he would but he didn't that explains that umar ra knew the prophet pbuh's condition and did what he thought was best.
@@the5ivers61 When ali ra literally named his children after the people you apparently ditch jokes on you.
Who on earth is Umar to tell the prophet what he should do and do deny him his request. May Allah guide you.
Didn't Imam Ali r.a do the same thing in the treaty of Hudaybiyyah...?
Because he cares about his well being. And so did Ali do when the prophet commanded him to erase "Prophet of God" from the treaty of Hudaybiyyah, Ali refused the prophet’s command and the prophet erased it himself.
@_Calaven no
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He did, sorry to tell you, but that doesn’t make him a bad person 🤷♂️
@@redstonexgamer4238 he didn't.
How do you justify this??? It’s the PROPHET of GOD! What gives Umar the right to say “the Quran is sufficient”
Your infallible imam gave him the right to say that, Ali stood with Omar and refused to get the pen and paper.
@@abhmd4481 What a stupid counter argument. If anything, it goes to show how incredible Ali’s character is to not speak or take action unless the prophet of Allah permits him to. If Omar wasn’t a Kafir before that action he certainly was afterwards.
This pen and paper incident happened on Thursday. The Prophet (saw) died on Monday, 3 days later. Why didn't the Prophet (saw) mention this important thing in the 3 days he was alive?
I'm Sunni and I believe Umar (ra) made a mistake on the pen and paper incident. But I believe he had good intentions. Obviously Shias believe he had bad intentions
@@Harith112 so that today, people like you and I can use all this information 1400 years later to see the difference between Haq and Batil. I’m not going to generalize Sunnis as a whole but I think we can establish that when the prophet does or says anything it is all by the order of ALLAH. Disobeying the prophet is KUFR. Especially when the matter is so severe and regarding something that will help us “never go astray.” The truth is prevalent within your own books and you still make excuses. I pray for you on the day of judgement if you choose to ignore these matters, may Allah guide you and the rest who seek truth.
@@Harith112Even after a clear hadees from your books you are using your nonsense mind Because you don't want to say Umar wrong even if Prophet s.a.w said so
0 sources weak arguments. You didn’t prove him wrong on anything. Amazing that some people be informed through their own books the truth and they still twist the facts.
Question, let's assume Nakhshawani is right about everything and Umar radhiallahu anhu did indeed prevent rasulullah from writing down something very important that has never been revealed yet, to guide humanity. That would mean rasulullah still had some revelation that he did not spread/share yet. Did rasulullah then use another occasion to share this message?
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You can find them everywhere on the internet since decades, always the same "im not shia im sunni but..."
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This shows how deflection is seen as the best argument farid has for his fanboys. Never mind he defending blatantly disobeying RasoolAllah to his face.
Not just what but telling RasoolAllah what is enough for Muslims.
5:49 comparing a sheikh to the greatest creation of Allah that is infallible and only speaks in wahi 53:4 is wild to me . They’ll do anything to protect umar ….
You will protect umat over the prophet
its so interesting how sunnis are using sunni hadith to refute sunni hadith
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Kazakhstan ? do u have wahabi in Kazakhstan as well? i heard Kazakhstan is a beautful country with sufi style mosque not wahabi like mosques? confused?
@@flag_bearertruth6257 sunni and wahabi warw beautiful people as but shia are evil
Farid, I am a Zaydi, not Sunni.
You and I both know that you not even noting this act was the incorrect one is pure bias.
It is impossible to say anything except this hadith is a grave mistake.
May the peace, blessings, and mercy of Allah be upon Umar.
No Muslim can affirm Sheikh Umar (Rahimahullah) was correct in his act without betraying his own intellect.
I am not defending the Rafidhi, but this is the reality.
I totally agree. Umar disobeyed a direct order of the prophet. Perhaps with Omar doing so he fell outside the fold of islam.
@@H16-y9hSheikh Umar (Rahimahullah) is one of the 10 promised paradise and paradise is not promised to those who fell into apostasy, so take heed.
The purpose of the video wasn't to discuss whether Umar, may Allah be pleased with him, made the best or correct decision in that moment. It was to address the claims and extrapolations that Nakshawani made from the event in question. Farid never "affirmed [he] was correct in his act". No Sunni denies that companions are capable of making mistakes, so proving or conceding that a specific companion made a specific mistake isn't the item in question. That would be shifting the goal post. The question is about the exact implications and ramifications of this specific act, and that's what Farid was discussing and challenging.
@@Suleiman212How shall I put this brother...
I disagree with the Rafidhi as apparently his point was that Sheikh Umar (Rahimahullah) is not a reliable narrator, and he is. To reject a narration because Umar is in the chain is irrational. Even Zaydis who are harsher than me in narrations from certain people do not oppose Sheikh Umar (Rahimahullah) as a narrator, that I have read.
So in this sense I agree with Farid.
At the same time this horrific event is of high significance to the shi`a.
The General Muslim Community, due to their desire to not say anything which could have bad implications on the Sahaba (Radi Allahu Anhuma,) peculiarly assert that what was going to be written may not have been what the ummah was to do, after our Prophet (Salullahu Alayhi Wa Alihi Wa Salam) left us.
To the rational intellect, given that the theology and law of the religion had already been completed prior to this, it is clear to me that our Prophet (Salullahu Alayhi Wa Alihi Wa Salam) desired to save us from this fitnah we fell into, where the ummah could not agree on a Caliph at first, etc.
Without even the slightest doubt the line which deserves the title of horrifying is that The Book of Allah is enough.
Without doubt, as someone who identifies yourself as "Sunni," you must object to this statement, as the Book of Alllah itself instructs us to turn to the words of The Messenger of Allah (Salullahu Alayhi Wa Alihi Wa Salam) for guidance, so the idea that The Book of Allah could suffice us *without* the Sunnah is rejected.
Shi`a feel that this day we were deprived of yet another affirmation of a crucial element of the Sunnah: The Imamate of Imam Ali Ibn Abu Talib.
I mention all of this only to clarify why I originally called this video bias... reading such an error out loud, without mentioning the error of it, is a strange thing.
Certainly if Farid had read a Quranist saying similar, that the Quran is enough, he would refute it, but here there is someone he heavily respects, so we have silence...
He’s not saying it’s correct or incorrect. He’s simply explaining possible reasons why Umar RA did not provide the pen. Nakhshwani and Farid are looking at the same Hadith and extrapolate from it. Nakhshwani extrapolates maliciously and Farid extrapolates positively, citing Umar RA’s early contributions towards Islam.
Bro you are hilarious. At 5 mins in, the holy prophet tells you to get a pen and a paper for which you will never go astray and you still stick up for umar in this case saying he was in a good position to do so. Then why oh farid did rasulAllah sawas kick them out? Why was there a bust up in there? Tell me you don't know the aya that whatever rasulAllah sawas tells you it is from Allah swt? You don't know this oh farid? Oh farid you compare rasulAllah sawas who receives wahi and everything he tells you is from Allah swt, you compare this to your local sheikh if he was sick and you dont trouble him with a hadith?? Its not like the sahabis told.the holy Prophet tell us a hadith. It was RasulAllah sawas who said I will write something for you.that you wont go astray. Now dear farid you are running like usayn bolt you have all these hadiths in their multitudes that it was umar who stopped the prophet from writing this.formula but now you say it wasnt umar who called the prophet dilarious? Be honeat to yourself and your subscribers and be just coz you will be held accountable. The man provided you source after source from your own books that clearly umar wanted to stop the prophet otherwise there wouldnt have been a fight. Im intrigued why you only do an extremly short reaction. I mean ammar nakshawani provides many many sources and you skip a whole heap. Of course its clear why.
Masha Allah brother, I hope farid sees this comment and responds to it instead of the comment he responded to in this video.
The prophet SAW is still a human being, and as Farid showed before this event he was in extremely bad health (constantly passing out, not being able to pray in congregation and we know how important praying in congregation was for him SAW, if he couldn't do that, than that shows the intense state he was in). For any loved one, if you see them in such a state you want to them rest as much as possible. Umar RA did not say we don't need it explicitly, he said "the prophet of Allah SAW has been overcome with pain", that's his excuse for not listening to the prophet in this particular scenario, and if he had indeed made a mistake and this paper was in fact something needed in Islam, Allah SWT would not have said your religion has been perfected in Quran 5:3, hence why Umar RA said that the Quran is enough for us here, as it has been completed, nonetheless the prophet SAW had multiple days after this event to write this down and or say it, which he did not, again pointing to the fact that it was simply something that he thought would be a good idea at that time but later decided it wasn't.
@@mohammadrizwaan1890 Now what you are implying is that Umar knows the health of the prophet PBUH more than he himself (The greatest creation of Allah SWT since the beginning of time) that he can stop the prophet from doing something he decided? Also we all know the actions of the prophet PBUH are dictated by Allah the almighty, and the prophet PBUH decided to write something and later felt it wasn't necessary?
@@muhammadtasiu5473prophet muhammad at the end was but a man. It says that in quran and hadeeth of the prophet himself. Surah abas is allahs reprimend for the prophet frowning on a poor blind sahabi. It tells you even nabi saw was a human at the end of the day and succeptible to mistake (not sin or insincerity) ali r.a also denied the prophets command when he refused to alter the contract between the quraysh and nabi saw.
@@muhammadtasiu5473 Everyone who loves anyone and sees them in bad health generally tries to make decisions for them as though said person isn't as a tuned to their own health. It is not hard to see that. You shiites just like to dramatize and twist things to fit your own agendas.
Another confusing video. You don't open a single book to defend the claims. Only what you think happened. I wonder why do people only mention Aisha and not khadija
Very good point. They love Aisha but never even mention Khadijah
I don’t even think it’s about Sunni vs Shia. It’s about truth vs falsehood. Nakshawani’s lectures are evidence based and yours are not.
If the Prophet (saws) really wanted to wright it, he would have done so afterwards. He at the end decided to not write it.
You can't take individual incidents and then give judgements based on that. The final judgement about Umar (ra) in our hadiths is that he is from the ten who were promised paradise so ofcourse we defend him. He is not specially mentioned in Quran so we can't judge him based on Quran itself. However we know in Quran the final verdict about the wives of the prophet (saws) is that they are mother of believers and other things which contradict shiism. Therefore we accept sunnism and based on sunni hadiths, he will go to jannah.
I know you guys like to go to surah tahreem. But it gives option of repentence. You probably never read about Adam (as) or Yunus (as).
@@condorianonegdiffsgoku he was going to write but was denied by umar, its clear as day and keep trying to justify it
@@condorianonegdiffsgokualso I have to reject that Abu Bakr and Umar are granted paradise have you not seen the evidence in Bukhari and Muslim regarding their treatment of the Prophet (SAW) of his daughter Fatima (who is one of the four women granted paradise?) you really need to consider these items brother. Inshallah.
@@abbas_glzadh6809But was denied by Umer? Why don't you think Allah didn't just destroy the man into pieces for doing this? And are you accusing the Prophet SAW for not completing his duty, i.e, giving us the message of GOD? The Prophet SAW didn't wrote what he wanted to write later because it was most likely something that the Prophet SAW said already otherwise you are just accusing the Prophet SAW for not doing what GOD told him to do.
@@shaheensssss
You are taking snippets of different incidents and then giving a judgement of your own (obviously you haven't looked at his whole life). That can't overturn the decision of Allah Himself of being with Abu Bakr (ra). Your approach does not work. The same approach is used by kuffar against our prophets and you know that very well. Let's take your idea of certain wives apostating. Does that not mean the prophet (saws) knowingly remained married to kuffar? Why Allah protect her in surah nur and warnered those who slander "believers"? Why He call wives of prophet (saws) mothers of believers directly after saying the prophet is closest to believers? (It was not in the context of marriage which shais falsely claim) Why were they called ahlul bayt? (Shais don't know the preceding and following verses) You accuse Abu bark (ra) as well as most sahaba of apsotating. But overall reading of Quran says otherwise. He was said to be someone with whose side Allah was in the cave incident. Allah praised the muhajiroon. He promised the successors to be of those who believe and not do shirk. All of these plus his overall life makes his status clear. All you have are just snippets of some incidents.
Good argument, next vid try defending sayyidna Ibles r.a when he disobeyed Allah azwj.
Are you going to defend Ali (may Allah be pleased with him) when he was asked to erase the title of RasulAllah (SAW), but he refused to and swore to not in front of RasulAllah (SAW) thereby disobeying RasulAllah (SAW) for a reason he thought was right.
So disobedience to RasulAllah (SAW) is relative and cannot be looked at in a way of a human mistake whereby the person thinks for instance RasulAllah (SAW) is severely sick so therefore does not grab pen and paper, a mistake but condemnation forever? No.
@@everythingandroidois He didn't disobey, he just needed a help.
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Ustadh we need more of these us laymen can really utilities the knowledge what you people have may Allah bless us all
What knowledge let's just see how Farid made excuses for disobeying RasoolAllah.
3:45 doesn't mention Umar beat his sister, doesn't mention he beat her husband, doesn't mention he didn't risk his life when RasoolAllah was under boycott, doesn't mention sahih hadith Umar fled jihad, doesn't mention sahih hadith Umar hit his daughter, doesn't mention he beat Abu Bakr sister & other women mourn his death. Instead he claims someone fled jihad was so good. Whitewash everything to justify him disobeying RasoolAllah.
4:19 fleeing jihad he fails to mention.
4:48 excuses for disobeying RasoolAllah.
How he didn't tell RasoolAllah what to do & obeyed Allah messenger?
5:39 Farid dishonesty again when Umar said he wasn't dead it could have been for other reasons. That is no evidence to not believe RasoolAllah was on his, deathbed. There more references him saying he wouldn't live for long like his farewell sermon. Selective Farid manipulating the narrative. There is hadith where actually discuss it.
It was common knowledge RasoolAllah was on his death bed.
5:54 making up fake analogy using a sheikh instead of RasoolAllah 🙄
No one was asking RasoolAllah to teach them! RasoolAllah order them to do an action he disobeyed.
See how he manipulates his example
Very poor Farid. What's the point of your video.
Don't know why but my respect for farid has sky rocketed in last few months. Jazakallah bro
@xxxdded622 The Pakistani Shia that says saying ya Ali Madad is okay and not shirk? yeah, no, thank you.
Sayed ammar smashed your doctrine.
@@Johnny-xk7vwthe only thing getting smashed will "Sayed" Amar's head into the hellfire if he doesn't repent.
How can someone even be a Shia man It makes no sense. You believe that the prophet SAW was exceedingly naive to the point where he constantly kept these so called munafiqeen around him and allowed them to maintain their status and power amongst the Muslims -- all while apparently marrying wicked women.
You also have no choice but to believe in tahreef due to the way the Qur'an has been transmitted and preserved -- any excuse from you lot in this regard is sheer cope.
@@zk116 Even in sunnah munafiqun were living in madina with the prophet, so I don't get what you are saying.
@@muhammadtasiu5473 I'm refering to Abu Bakr and Umār and Uthmān __ may Allah be pleased with them.
The company of the prophet numbered in the thousands, so of course some of them may have been munafiqeen -- but Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthmān? These people had very lofty positions amongst the Muslims, and to say that the prophet was oblivious to their alleged evil is ridiculous
Amar is in the right. Farid, why are you making up excuses? Fear the day of judgement.
So Umar cares about prophet so much that he called him delirious?
Bad argument. If that was the case then he wouldnt say "the quran is sufficient for us". He is straight denying the message the prophet was going to give.
Let us assume you are right, so what should we bring out of that? Are you implying that Allah willed the prophet to tell us something and Umar prevented it?
@bolaelegbede7843 I'm not implying. It's what actually happened. Is that so hard to grasp. He ask for a pen and paper to write something that we can never go astray. You know how valuable that information is. It's the difference of heaven and hell. If someone were to take away a trillion dollars and all the riches in the world away from you, will you be happy?
@bolaelegbede7843 listen to ammars lectures. You'll see why he did that.
@@senpai_1829 You must be joking. I used the word "WILLED " by Allah and you still said Umar stopped it. Are you on drugs?
@@senpai_1829 Both of you are jokes.
Loool that guy in the beginning got caught like a thief 😂
lol
This is an innovation, but it is a good innovation. My fave.
And the Shia hit themselves and make shirk and invent there own timings for there prayers 👍
That is such a weak response. If the prophet asks for a pen and paper stating the importance of this, you will obviously do it. Whenever the prophet speaks, it is from allah and their is no suggestion of "let's wait until he is better" In some literature, he even says the proper has gone "Crazy". Umar has disrespected the prophet many times and introduced multiple innovations.
Text does not say Umar says he (SAW) is delarious. That is false.
What about when Ali (may Allah be pleased with him) refused to erase the title of RasulAllah (SAW) when it was commanded by RasulAllah (SAW), excuses, let's play your game of assuming the worst but I won't stoop that low.
@@everythingandroidois i am not sure what contradiction you have on imam Ali, can you expand ? No one ever called him rasul allah. He was the rightly chosen khalifa during ghadir khum by our Prophet (SAW) which can not be disputed. Many Hadith’s in your sunni literature point the prophet leaving behind the book of allah and his ahulbayt. Not Abu Bakr and Umar who went against the prophets will.
Lets not even go to Umar bringing wood to burn the house of the prophets (SAW) beloved daughter Fatimah El Zahra
@@everythingandroidoisand do you know the response Imam Ali gab the prophet and do you know what the Prophet said after and did it cause the companions to fight and get angry did it cause the Prophet to say remove yourselves from me well Gies what it didn’t so I want you trying to prove here
@@everythingandroidoisDid Imam Ali (a.s) prevent Rasool ULLAH (s) from erasing the title?? Your argument is weak and baseless. In the incident of Pen and Paper.. Prophet (s) was prevented from writing some important message which would have saved Ummah from misguidance.
I think this wahabi Farid should restraint himself from responding to Dr.Ammar lectures. Because every time hecomes out he can not respond to anything academically. And this proves the sound arguments of Sayeed Ammar. Farid is only being defensive but his arguments can not convince any person of sound thinking
Restrain*
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@@FaridResponds Thank you
Sound arguments? Ammar takes a ambiguous Hadith and spins it to portray a Sahaba negatively. The basic fact is the Prophet ﷺ asked for a pen from one of the Sahaba, Umar, at that moment, said it would be best not to. Why he said that could be 1000 different reasons. Looking at Umar RA’s contributions to Islam prior to this incident, we can assume that he wanted the best for Muslims and the Prophet ﷺ at this moment, and didn’t provide it out of concern for the prophet in his condition. Was he wrong in doing so? If the Prophet ﷺ asks you to do something you do it, but if he was wrong, so too were all the other Sahaba in attendance who also did not provide the Pen, not just Umar RA.
@@syed2194 Omar contribution in Islam is only exaggerated by sunnis without any evidence. Omar was a coward because he ran away from uhud and he was defeated in the war against jews and he couldn't face Amr bin Abdulwud in the battle of handaq. Omar was disrespectful to the daughter of the prophet. Omar made alot of fabrications in Islam against Quran and prophet.agood example is about talaka and hijatu tamatui. You know Omar thought he was so intelligent that could give his opinion against Quran and prophet .The worst thing is to tell the prophet Quran is sufficient. This is kufru by itself.
So ghadeer never happened?
Always, the truth hurts, I am sunni but What sayed Ammar is exposing everything is in our books 📚; Alhamndulillah;tried to buy all theses books to teach my self and I am still asking why our sheikh don't tell us the truth?😢😢😢
Answer my questions so your admitting sayidna Ali ra refused an order of the prophet saas? It’s ok when sayidna Ali ra does it but when sayidna Umar ra does it it’s a problem. Do you know that sayidna Ali ra was in the room when all this was going on? Why didn’t he get involved and bring him the pen and paper? Did he also sin? Believe me if the the prophet saas wanted that pen and paper he would of got it. Do you know that the prophet saas was taken to the mimbar before he died to deliver a very important speech to the people so he had the chance to say anything he wanted to say on the mimbar which was the largest gathering of the sahaba if he wanted to deliver that message why wouldn’t he deliver it to the sahaba on that day? He even said Towards the end of his sermon, the Prophet asked "O people, have I faithfully delivered unto you my message?" A powerful murmur of assents "O Allah! yes!"arose from thousands of pilgrims and the vibrant words "Allahumma Na'm," rolled like thunder throughout the valley.
Do you believe there is anything missing from religion because of this Hadith that the prophet saas said bring me the pen and paper otherwise you will go astray? If you do your saying that Allah swt sent the prophet saas and couldn’t deliver his message to the people instead they ended up being astray so that means the prophet saas failed as a prophet in your eyes.
" i am sUNnI"
Munaafiq
You are a 🤡
Lmao u shia behind the niqab of sunni but ur niqab also aint proper 😂🤣🤣 we can see you👀
According to Quran 53:3 the Prophet does not speak from his own inclination but speaks what Allah tells him. Why would Allah tell Prophet to write the will if he was too seriously ill? Does Umar know more about Prophet’s condition than Umar? Him asking to write the will down is what Allah has told him to do and Umar denied him that and disobeyed the Prophet.
He did wrote something in the end
This video is why I'm shia.
Lol, Shiaism is based on Imamat, this video speaks nothing of Imamat so I am confused
If this video is y u r shia then u have serious problems 😂😂😂
@@everythingandroidoisyour guy is arguing against Sunni literature, everything Sayed says was from Sunni literature.
Allahumma salli 'ala Muhammad wa aali Muhammad!
Hope you become a muslim one day
Seriously the hate for the family of the prophet is so evident here we don’t even need our books to prove you wrong your own books do it for you
This!
I'm just here to see the self-satisfied look of Nakshawani to his own argument.
You could watch his videos instead 😂
Answer my questions so your admitting sayidna Ali ra refused an order of the prophet saas? It’s ok when sayidna Ali ra does it but when sayidna Umar ra does it it’s a problem. Do you know that sayidna Ali ra was in the room when all this was going on? Why didn’t he get involved and bring him the pen and paper? Did he also sin? Believe me if the the prophet saas wanted that pen and paper he would of got it. Do you know that the prophet saas was taken to the mimbar before he died to deliver a very important speech to the people so he had the chance to say anything he wanted to say on the mimbar which was the largest gathering of the sahaba if he wanted to deliver that message why wouldn’t he deliver it to the sahaba on that day? He even said Towards the end of his sermon, the Prophet asked "O people, have I faithfully delivered unto you my message?" A powerful murmur of assents "O Allah! yes!"arose from thousands of pilgrims and the vibrant words "Allahumma Na'm," rolled like thunder throughout the valley.
Do you believe there is anything missing from religion because of this Hadith that the prophet saas said bring me the pen and paper otherwise you will go astray? If you do your saying that Allah swt sent the prophet saas and couldn’t deliver his message to the people instead they ended up being astray so that means the prophet saas failed as a prophet in your eyes.
Farid, any chance you could make these videos without showing Nakshawani? Hearing his camp voice and mannerisms really puts me off.
جزاك الله خير
nah people need to see his face so they're aware
So you want a response video that already conveniently clips out parts he can't refute, to clip out all parts? At that point it's not a response video anymore, brow will just be yapping into the void😂
He can cut out his face, his gay voice is enough and unmistakable lol or at least blur it, I can’t stand it 😂
@@A7ibAllah curious how you'd identified enough of "gay voice" to categorise Nakshawani of having a "gay voice"🤔
@@roffi_daijoubu I’m from ultra liberal England, they’re everywhere here and this guy would definitely be knocking about with them, he’s as queer as the day.
Umer always questioned and doubted prophethood , also Allah said in quran obery the messenger , who is umer to make decision what to follow and when to follow, plus this sugar coating technique is not going to save umer , he said quran is enough , he did not say oh Prpphet please write it later and take some rest , the fact that he said quran is enough was a desperate move from him, he knew very well that prophet was about to state the leader alongside the quran in writing
The will would have finished his conspiracy and plot
You gave a bad example. The Prophet specifically commanded them to give a pen and paper and Umar rejected him! It’s clear
Umar never rejected, but simply offered his opinion which was derived from a place of care for the prophets wellbeing, and was not shared by him alone. But you know who rejected the prophets commands multiple times to erase his name? Ali, so maybe you should worry about that.
@@noface9375 please re read the Hadith. Prophet commanded something, and Umar saying the Quran is sufficient. Like he knows more than the Prophet lol that’s not a place of care. That’s arrogance.
@@SparringHighlights We can use the same argument for Ali, the prophet told him to erase his name from the letter and Ali blatantly rejected, like he knows more than the prophet lol that's not a place of care. that arrogance. See how I can also use your dense logic? Atleast Umar didn't blatantly reject and offered his opinion, unlike Ali who clearly refused the prophets commands multiple times.
@@noface9375 wait so your only argument is “well what about Ali” that’s not a rebuttal. Also, what story are you even referring to, what name on what letter?
@@SparringHighlights No, I already gave you many reasons and have others for reserve, but the reason why I am using Ali is to show you your double standards and hypocrisy. One rule for Umar another One for Ali, everything Umar does is bad while everything Ali does is good, ygm. As sunnis are consistent, and say both of them did it out of love & care for the prophet. Btw the incident I am referring to is (Bhukhari 4251).
Asalaamou alaykum wa rahmatou Allahi wa barakaatouhou son. You are doing a job. I ask Allah to grant you jannat al firdous 🤲🏻
But Ammar nakshawani is not lying its written in sunni books ,umar was disrespectful to the prophet sawaw
Answer my questions so your admitting sayidna Ali ra refused an order of the prophet saas? It’s ok when sayidna Ali ra does it but when sayidna Umar ra does it it’s a problem. Do you know that sayidna Ali ra was in the room when all this was going on? Why didn’t he get involved and bring him the pen and paper? Did he also sin? Believe me if the the prophet saas wanted that pen and paper he would of got it. Do you know that the prophet saas was taken to the mimbar before he died to deliver a very important speech to the people so he had the chance to say anything he wanted to say on the mimbar which was the largest gathering of the sahaba if he wanted to deliver that message why wouldn’t he deliver it to the sahaba on that day? He even said Towards the end of his sermon, the Prophet asked "O people, have I faithfully delivered unto you my message?" A powerful murmur of assents "O Allah! yes!"arose from thousands of pilgrims and the vibrant words "Allahumma Na'm," rolled like thunder throughout the valley.
Do you believe there is anything missing from religion because of this Hadith that the prophet saas said bring me the pen and paper otherwise you will go astray? If you do your saying that Allah swt sent the prophet saas and couldn’t deliver his message to the people instead they ended up being astray so that means the prophet saas failed as a prophet in your eyes.
His reference to the Hadith is from Sahih Al Bukhara. A text the Ahle Sunnah use as a very authentic book.
Omg his voice, if anyone wants to see surah Al Munafiqoon in action one only needs to look at Ammar
The manifiqeen are you and the ones you follow, you can't argue from facts
Whoever calls a man ‘kafir’ [disbeliever] or said ‘O, enemy of Allah’, when he is not one, (the accusation) will rebound to him” (narrated by Al-Bukhari and Muslim).
Read your kalma again brother don’t make such accusations lightly. Fear Allah
@@Ishi1XP indeed, and Ammar is indeed the enemy, I understand it may hurt you and others, but once you realize that shiism is not from Allah, you will understand why I said what I said
@@Ishi1XP Who said he is not one? he is out there misquoting Allah and his prophet, so he is a clear Kafir.
@@Ishi1XPone who curses the sahaba and our mother Aisha is kafir
Run along now rafidhi
Something I realised is the Sunni hadith will expose the sahaba themselves committing atrocities against the Prophet and Allah swt and you will still make excuses. Even on occasion you will belittle the Prophet to justify their actions. Wake up my brothers, your own books expose your sahaba.
UMAR IBN AL KHATTAB OPPRESSED THE PROPHET AND HIS FAMILY AND THIS UMMAAH HE SHOULD HAVE REMAINED QUIET AND SHUT HIS MOUTH BRUV THE MORE YOU TALK THE MORE IT LOOKS LIKE TO ME THAT MUAWIYA YAZEED UMAR ARE MORE BELOVED TO YOU THAN MUHAMMAD SAAWAWS AND HIS FAMILY YOU FOLLOW THE SUNNAH OF OMAR WE FOLLOW THE SUNNAH OF MUHAMMAD SAAWAWS YOU SUNNIS ARE REALLY BLIND
Sayed Ammar states what your own Hadiths say.
Fixed the title of the video for you.
Let me fix it even more...
"Sayyed Ammar points out a mistake of fallible Omar (RA) on his refusal to get pen and paper due to his opinion of the Prophet's (SAW) severe sickness but forgets fallible Ali (RA) also made a mistake like any human when refusing to erase name of RasulAllah (SAW) when commanded to by him (SAW) because of his (Ali RA) incorrect opinion in the matter"
"Sayyed Ammar quotes a bunch of people and makes it seem like the one Sahaba he has a grudge against called him (SAW) delarious"
@@everythingandroidois first off, nice whataboutism that has nothing to do with the subject at hand.
Second, there's a difference between saying straight up no to the Prophet and calling him delirious, and asking to be excused from doing something out of respect from him.
Nice try though.
@@africa241See I suspected this is how you would respond, and I was right; the text does not say Omar (RA) called him (SAW) delirious.
Omar (RA) never said "no", the same way Ali (RA) never said "no". They both, may Allah be pleased with both, responded in unique ways with reasons, one being saying the prophet (SAW) is severely sick and the other swearing to never erase it.
So apparently now there is room for disobedience of RasulAllah (SAW) if it fits your narrative🤔, strange. I see shias saying the disobedience is everything, but clearly they are playing games.
According to you, "asking to be excused" is swearing to never do something in front of the person who commanded it being RasulAllah (SAW). Ofcourse we understand why he (RA) did, so we excuse him for his mistake.
But you can keep coping.
@@everythingandroidois yOu CaN kEeP cOpInG
Bro, you're the one seething so hard you're changing the words of YOUR OWN books because you can't accept having believed a lie your entire life.
You may need to argue about this to protect your brainwashed programming, but I don't. I'm too chill and at peace with my beliefs for that. So I'm off to cOpE about the whole thing now :)
@@africa241the fact you didn't respond to my rebuttals and just focused in on me telling you to cope and went on a rant about that and me "changing words" when I clearly gave my argument that it did not say "Omar said" but you ignored that because you got triggered shows me you are not sincere in this conversation.
Dear Sunni brothers, please make your mind. Sheikh Asem Hakeem says "Umar was not sure if prophet is in sound state of mind", and Farid says "Umar just thinks prophet is in pain and it's better to dictate whatever he wants later". Well, if Umar really means that, why he doesn't he explicitly mention that by saying for example "Ya Rasullullah, let's do it later when you are better", rather he says clearly "The book of Allah is enough for us".
Thank you Farid, please upload more videos like this as they are very important and beneficial to the ummah.
never heard this guy, if farid organic wahabi means follow M wahab or taymiah whabai and if make mawlid? cox i think farid is a khwariji the way he talks?
@@flag_bearertruth6257I swear you don’t even know what any of the words u used mean, you’re just a parrot
somrtimes a person is heart inside and jujust coz u cannot ansnwer, there is a easy way out. I saw this guy farid who is answering ammar, i wanted to know his madhab, aeeqdah so i can get to the bottom of it, nakhwani address all of them sunni, nakhwani is wrong, coz mufti menk is awahabi, hakeen sound like khwariji so i wanted to know if farid is a wahabi or jhwaiji menaing his view on mawlid, and miraj??@@OnePullUpKing
if farid can defend umar and abu bakr, it means he will be resurrected with abu bakr and umar, wow ..... think and reflect all. does farid also like miuawia and yazid? this changes everything, is farid organic wahabi (taymiah) or khwariji (reject ali and uthman khaifat)? think and decide?
😂 farid farid.. no level mental acrobatics or intellectual contortionism can sugar coat those hadith and exonerate who they clearly incriminate. Save it for the cheerleaders
I also have some doubts in this Hadith since "prophet could not write", the hadith says "I (Rasool Allah) will write for you a statement" and this is a well documented history. Another doubt with this Hadith is that Prophet said people to go away so who would a scribe be documenting the statement if Prophet did not want anyone near him ? if the Prophet wanted someone to write for him then he would have said it verbally.
It means he'll dictate.
@@FaridResponds Thank you Farid for clarification but I also had a comment earlier that when prophet ordered everyone to leave was Ali (r.a) also included in everyone ?
@@singalongme1 Everyone means everyone.
Sugar coating umar deeds
No need if it was so important prophet would have noted it
@@altamashbaibars9477 Why should he note anything if people like Umar are ready to refuse the order of Prophet Muhmmad SAW in the first place. He is not obliged to do things a second time if his orders are rejected the first time.
@@gr3en_jamfatima295 those who wanted him to write it also defied him by not giving pen and paper. It was a spontaneous decision prophet that would have noted it . He lived 3 more days.
@@samy7013 so instead of condemning Umars actions you want to not only throw our Prophet SAW under the bus by saying hes delerious but you Also want to drag Imam Ali (as) into the mess of what Umar created. The biggest proof for us is that already there were followers of Umar and another group agreed to bring a pen and paper, then according to the hadith the two groups started to quarrel. Then the Prophet SAW didn't thank Umar for anything he made Everyone leave! EVERYONE. So it does not matter What Imam Alis actions are next, he is obedient enough to listen to our Prophet Muhammad SAW. Since you want to talk about Ali (as) why not talk about Umar? All Umar could've litterally done was grab a pen and paper, but he had the audacity to tell the very man who brought the Quran In the first place that: "Quran is suffienct for us, you are ill." Don't scramble after what could've happened next. focus on the hadith.
@@samy7013 our concern is the treatment of our Prophet Muhammad SAW. No one in their right mind would speak up against the orders of a Prophet SAW, But Umar did, and the sunnis are running in circles to protect Umar.
2 points, for the Sunnis, that seem to think they have it "in the bag":
-Ali (a.s) was not a companion, but family of the prophet PBUHAF. The hadiths of sahih say companions were kicked out. Ali would not be out. Remember HE is the one who took care of the funeral while others ran searching for Dunya!
-Abu Bakr DID NOT lead the prayer, argument that you claim shows his leadership role after the Prophet PBUHAF
Weak weak weak.
Remember, you have an interpretation of history, so do the shias.
The shi3a guys content was mostly from the Holy script and books of ahlusunnah and you do a 10 minute video with no sources?? My guy pull out evidence pull out narrations? I see you got a library behind you full of books yet you bring out no daleel? Ammar presented evidence showing the companion called the Prophet PBUH delirious and this is your response? Give us quality not just content.
Did you listen to the video without looking at the screen? I shared more references in a 13min clip than he did in an hour.
Out of respect I watched the video once again. That 10 second flash you put up might suffice to your loyal viewers but I watched this video hoping I will get a clear refutation, not this my guy.
@@a7bkx204 I watched it once brother, idk what your talking about.
But the Ammar guy was clearly assuming something from the Hadith that wasn't there to prove his point.
You could argue Farid is doing something similar, but at least his stance makes sense.
It's reasonable to assume Umar R.A was worried about him. And didn't want him to write his will because he believed he would get well.
The Second Hadith Ammar mentions
Doesn't even mentioned the names of who asked the Question
Is he delirious?
So he's assuming it's Umar 🤦
@@a7bkx204 It was a pretty clear refutation. Ammar and Farid both rely on the same narration in this video. They just extrapolate differently. Yes, the event happened and yes, Umar RA did not listen to the prophet ﷺ. Nakhshwani extrapolates maliciously toward Umar RA while Farid extrapolates positively, which is how you should when you are speaking about a beloved companion.
I shared five references. Feel free to use the pause button next time, "my guy."
Hazrat Umer(R.A) KA NAAM PAAK SUN KAR SHAITAN BE BAAGTAY HA AUR UN SE BUGUZ RAKHNAY Wale be.
Question:
Why did the prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم want paper to write if he didnt know how to write?
He could have given it to his scribe to write.
You need to watch Ammar Naqshwanis Ramadan event. He has spoken purely from Sunni sources
@@Warlock786 ammar is a liar lol
@roneddy is he lol...then I suppose Sunni Hadith is lies also ? Lol
@@Warlock786 You literally are on a video that shows ammar is a liar, bruh what 😂😂
Even if the truth is put in front of your face you all refuse to accept it. May Allah guide u all
Farid literally debunked the arguments of non-Sayed Ammar and you’re out here claiming that he’s rejecting the truth. Are you crazy?
@jawad15 farid didnt rebuke anything , he literally just gave his opinion on this matter .. absolutely no facts provided 😂
He not crazy he dumb as a shiite 😂
Oh it is crystal clear. Majoos are going to hell.
What is Islaam?
@@noorhussain6462
Thanks for plugging the video of Ammar Nakshawani.
Lol, thanks for saying all this and making my belief much much stronger as a Shia muslim as compared to before. Just for once think what you are saying yourself and imagine not Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) but only your dearest teacher would you imagine calling your teacher even that "is he delirious?"
Would you know more than the teacher if he needs "pen and paper"??
You are throwing naozubillah Hazrah Muhammad PBUh under the bus just to support Umar.
These are simple common sense answers which one doesn't need a sharp brain even to answer. Thank to Allah Subhanwutallah we have scholars like Ammar Nakwashni to guide us.
May Allah bless you all to the righteous path as well.
Answer my questions so your admitting sayidna Ali ra refused an order of the prophet saas? It’s ok when sayidna Ali ra does it but when sayidna Umar ra does it it’s a problem. Do you know that sayidna Ali ra was in the room when all this was going on? Why didn’t he get involved and bring him the pen and paper? Did he also sin? Believe me if the the prophet saas wanted that pen and paper he would of got it. Do you know that the prophet saas was taken to the mimbar before he died to deliver a very important speech to the people so he had the chance to say anything he wanted to say on the mimbar which was the largest gathering of the sahaba if he wanted to deliver that message why wouldn’t he deliver it to the sahaba on that day? He even said Towards the end of his sermon, the Prophet asked "O people, have I faithfully delivered unto you my message?" A powerful murmur of assents "O Allah! yes!"arose from thousands of pilgrims and the vibrant words "Allahumma Na'm," rolled like thunder throughout the valley.
Do you believe there is anything missing from religion because of this Hadith that the prophet saas said bring me the pen and paper otherwise you will go astray? If you do your saying that Allah swt sent the prophet saas and couldn’t deliver his message to the people instead they ended up being astray so that means the prophet saas failed as a prophet in your eyes.
Jazakallah Khair FARID BHAI
Here , Ex muslims of INDIA were also quoting that hadith with their stupid claim that prophet was dictated by UMAR RA (Astagfirullah) aur prophet feared him
Never believe what a Shia Rafidah says (such as..rafidah or Athna‘ashariyyah or Ithna‘ashariyyah) because according to their books written by their imaams, they follow Taqiyya (lying about their religion)! I meant Al-Kafi is the MOST reliable Shia Book, as the reliable Shia Scholars. Anyone believe these following from Al-Kaafee/Kafi are NOT MUSLIM OR IN ISLAM. Sayed Ammar Nakshawani as a Shia believer or a Rafidah. If he believes kitab al-Kafi and bihar al-Anwar, he is no longer in Islam or Muslim. ...could be a SHIA RAFIDAH.
1) The Imams have knowledge of All that was given to the angels and the prophets. ( Al-Kafi vol.1 p.255 )
2) The Imams know when they will die, and they only die by their choice. ( Al-Kafi vol.1 p.258 )
3) The Imams have knowledge of the past and future; and nothing is hidden from them. ( Al-Kafi vol.1 p.260 )
4) "Bad'ah" ALLAH tells a lie. (Al Kafi, Vol. No.1, Page No. 148. A Shia doctrine.)
5) We are the eyes of the God in his creature and the final authority in all human beings. (Al Kafi, Vol. No. 1, Page No. 145)
6) The Hujjat (Ultimate proof) of God can not be established without Imam. (Al Kafi, Vol. No. 1, Page No. 177)
7) The Shiite Raafidaah claim that the Al Quran we have is missing 10,000+ verses. (Al-Kafi, Vol 2 Pg. 634)
8) All the ṣaḥābah (the companions of the Islamic prophet Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam) became murtadd after the death of Rasulullah Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam, except three. (Rawdat Al Kafi, Vol. No. 8, Page No. 167)
Habibi hahaha all in your own books . Sayed ammar smashed your doctrine . From your own books . From your own books
The religion is already completed in hajjat al wada (surah al Maida verse 3). And why the prophet (pbuh) didn't mention the most important thing which is imamah of Ali (Ra) according to shia, why didin't he mention it in front of a huge number of people in hajjat al wada and wait until his dying day after the deen was already completed. and why shia assume that the prophet was about to write something about Ali imamah in that day. Does not make any sense
He did over and over again but people like you lived during that time so they kept fighting against it. The Prophet called Ali his successor from the beginning during the feast. He called him his Caliph and successor but it's like Allah says in the Quran plenty of times about you people.... you just make excuses
Sounds like you agree with the Shia guy again?
Ur comparing the prophet to a “Sheikh”. What umar did was wrong. Have some shame. Astagfirallah
Farids response is foolish, hes trying his best, but its not working out, it cant work out.
If he asks for a pen , simple give him , but umar dint give him , the reality is because he was affraid prophet will write Ali's name as his successor stop giving illogical excuses.
The book shelf in the background holding on to dear life, Farid please save it😫
One of the most famous atsar was when Umar refused to believe that Rasulullah has died and even threaten everyone from speaking so until Abu Bakr recited one ayah (Ali Imran : 144) to him and he accepted it. In some narration it was mentioned that after hearing that ayah, Umar fell to the ground.
In fact, he was so shocked. He directly went to saqifa without any care of the prophet's funeral. Cut the crap dude!!
This pen and paper incident happened on Thursday. The Prophet (saw) died on Monday, 3 days later. If it was something important, the Prophet (saw) had enough time to say it. Also, Allah says in the Quran that in Surah Maeda (5) ayah 3 "...This day I have perfected for you your religion and completed my favour upon you...". This means Islam was perfect and complete when the Prophet (saw) died. If Shias say the Prophet didn't have a chance to deliver this information to us, that means they saying Islam wasn't perfect and complete which is again the ayah of the Quran
So you are of the opinion that the Prophet was delirious while on his deathbed, had nothing "important" to say, nothing "that would not make you go astray after him"
WHO ARE YOU, to judge what the Prophet wanted to say was important or not?
The Prophet says something, you comply, not give your opinion, or ijtihad, like Umar and Abu bakr seem to like to do a lot
@@ihsanalsalehali r.a refused to obey the prophets command on the incident of hudaybiyah
@ihsanalsaleh I agree Omar (ra) made a mistake. He is not infallable. But the Prophet (saw) was still alive for the next 3 days. I'm just saying its impossible thar the Prophet (saw) failed to deliver a wahyi before he passed away because we have that ayah I mentioned above
Read about Ghadeer Al Khum please. Prophet Mohammed (saww) APPOINTED Ali(as) as his successor. And PROPHET OF ALLAH (SAWW) asks for Pen and Paper and there’s NO MORE ARGUMENT!! You just OBEY THE PROPHET OF ALLAH!!!
And how can you possibly think that Rasool Allah didn’t appoint anyone as his successor and left the Ummah to decide the leader??? Where in the history of Islam there’s Saqifa?? Go read the event of Ghadeer Al Khum and you’ll realise. May Allah guide you to the true path, Aameen
Once again, weak rebuttals. If the Prophet asks he is clearly strong enough to do it, secondly if the Prophet asks me to do it, I'd do it without question. Sayed Ammar didn't say that they're all kafir, love how you said misrepresentation and then go on to misrepresent what he said.
Yeah , you can make excuses for satan also , he used to care so much about The God that he disobeyed Him by not following His instruction but eventually accepted to get out when he was asked to get out 😂
What about when Ali (may Allah be pleased with him) refused to erase the title of RasulAllah (SAW) when it was commanded by RasulAllah (SAW), excuses, let's play your game of assuming the worst but I won't stoop that low. Excuses...
@@everythingandroidois we don't have any such narration mentioning Ali ( A.S) refused to erase any statement despite ordered by the Holly prophet. The sunni sources that mention this event are weak , unreliable and lack uniformity in details of the event You can search all those narrations if you want for yourself , for us , these sources are not reliable at all to make an opinion about those divinely guided people.
@@hammadhussain4422 no the sunni sources are not weak on ali refusing prophets order. This is is your infallible imam, u have bigger problems.
@@timeread3099 mention those sources which are strong and explicitly says imam Ali refused holly prophet.
@@hammadhussain4422 its literally in our must authentic book Sahih al-Bukhari 3184 "By Allah I will never erase it" Dont lie on our Sources. Ali is not infallible.
May Allah guide you Sunnis
You guys, we cannot trust you. Who do you mean by ALLAH? You mean Ali or who exactly?
Stop Worshipping 12 imams and calling out to other than Allah .
It doesnt make shiism sahih
Even if we say Sunnism is wrong it doesn't make shiism sahih
😂lol..... first look at yourself..
SUNNI is more logical than Shia cult
Asalaam alaykum my Sunni brother. I literally had to pull up off the m-way to comment on this video. Speaking as respectfully as possible this is the BIGGEST pile of malaki I have ever heared. Umer wasn’t the only one who left so what importance does that have in making him great or greater? Pointless comment. Yes he did want to stop him as it Would be a written will motive or no motive he rejected the holy prophet saw what he wanted. As for he didn’t know he was on his deathbed… come on ya akhi plz try and sound intelligent the words the prophet saw’s were clear he was LEAVING behind something. As to Imam Ali as didn’t know…. Where does it say that? And kicking out. It was Umer and co’s actions aswell as those arguing so it lays on them not the others that aren’t mentioned. This is all from ur books. Ur points are baseless with no references yet u say you are not ppl of conjuring up reasons yet that’s all you’ve been doing. Umer denied the prophet saw his request, he overrode the prophet saw’s order told HIM what’s sufficient And yes this enough to anger him he’s gone through so much to preach and spread the teaching he was ordered to and now when it is said to him tell otherwise your message will not be complete those that say and r meant to b close to him are denying him that when he’s trying to, arguing infront of him yeeea too right that’s going to anger him. Truth is Syed Ammar has made nothing but a factual and educated video based off Sunni AUTHENTIC sources and the response I have heared are nothing but spectulations and personal opinions yet u say that’s not what u do. With all due respect are u a sheikh? A scholar? If not your argument is baseless and also because you have not displayed a single credible piece of evidence.
P.s I love the fact that u had to revert to the point of mutha/tharawee. This is y he made them videos because it was a defensive video as this ALWAYS seems to be the choice of weapon when firing shots at Shia. Especially when the argument is weak JUST LIKE WHAT YOU PROVED! This is y he HAD to make a DEFENSIVE video explaining it. Bro I really hope u see the light I understand ur dilemma as your beliefs are made on a fragile house of cards any shake to it risks it collapsing so it’s always best to keep believing regardless of what proofs are thrown at u. But think do follow Allah swt or your worldly respect sitting on that house of cards? Do you follow the Sunnah of Umer or that of the Holy Prophet saw (because u clearly shy’d away from that
Point) No love loss I still have love and respect for my Sunni Muslim brothers and wish we could all be one umma that RosoolAllah saw set out to create.
Brother. Lets take your point to its conclusion. You believe Islam without what the Prophet was going to write would be incomplete. As in Immah (a core tenet of your aqeedah) was left unaddressed by the Prophet(SAW)? How can you believe in an incomplete religion?
mr rafzi, Quran 7:158 shows that Prophet a.s was UNLETTERED. How can an UNLETTERED person ask for paper & letter to write something. This hadith doesnt sound authentic to me.
Umar was from FIRST EMIGRANTS that Allah promised Paradise in Quran 9:100
@@mushy5518 Quran 7:158 shows that Prophet a.s was UNLETTERED. How can an UNLETTERED person ask for paper & letter to write something. This hadith doesnt sound authentic to me.
Umar was from FIRST EMIGRANTS that Allah promised Paradise in Quran 9:100
@@mushy5518 So if a pen and paper was given to our Prophet SAWA, it would not be important to the religion, that he is going to speak with false hood? The religion is complete, but don't you think maybe today we would not have so much division because Rasullulah SAW had an answer to it?
@@gr3en_jamfatima295 No the point being made is that clearly it wasnt as important as you are making it out to be. The Shia want to act like Umar (RA) stopped the Prophet(SAW) from naming his successor but clearly it wasnt a critical tenet of our religion. To attribute malice toward Umar(RA) and to assume that it was anything but love requires you to have the most biased take on the Hadith. Its a classic move by Shia to go and cherry pick Hadith and attribute motive to the Sahaba but reject all the other Hadiths in which they are praised or vouched for by the Prophet (SAW) or Ali(RA) or any of the Ahlul Bayt. Its very similar to what the enemies of Islam do but ofcourse because Hadith isnt as perfect as the Holy Quran you can twist it a lot more to suit your narrative
So basically Umar was concerned about not pushing the Prophet when he was extremely sick. Fair enough, but if the Prophet asked for something and even put a high value to it (no misguidance after that) then why would anyone have to put forth his opinion above the wish of the Prophet? The disturbance sprouted when this request was denied otherwise there was nothing before that.
You gave an example of a sheikh you admire, well wouldn't you want to do everything for that sheikh when he is sick and when asks you for something? I mean you can care for him to ensure he doesn't trouble himself but there is no trouble of bringing because he asked you to bring it and there is no way of knowing that writing would cause him any trouble (he can tell you to write if it will become a trouble for him, is it fair to deny him only because you think he needs to rest while he is asking you to do it?). And if the sheikh is your biggest teacher, won't even his words during sickness be a gem for you especially when he has put a very high value to this action (no misguidance after this).
Won't it be a regret that you caused him not to have that written and he passed away?
Why put forth an opinion above his opinion in the first place? If you have a fatherly care for him then true you wouldn't want him disturbed but would you be ready to miss guidance only because you know he is sick and you have another guidance in the meantime that is sufficient so it is fair to stop this guidance from coming at this time?
Answer my questions so your admitting sayidna Ali ra refused an order of the prophet saas? It’s ok when sayidna Ali ra does it but when sayidna Umar ra does it it’s a problem. Do you know that sayidna Ali ra was in the room when all this was going on? Why didn’t he get involved and bring him the pen and paper? Did he also sin? Believe me if the the prophet saas wanted that pen and paper he would of got it. Do you know that the prophet saas was taken to the mimbar before he died to deliver a very important speech to the people so he had the chance to say anything he wanted to say on the mimbar which was the largest gathering of the sahaba if he wanted to deliver that message why wouldn’t he deliver it to the sahaba on that day? He even said Towards the end of his sermon, the Prophet asked "O people, have I faithfully delivered unto you my message?" A powerful murmur of assents "O Allah! yes!"arose from thousands of pilgrims and the vibrant words "Allahumma Na'm," rolled like thunder throughout the valley.
Do you believe there is anything missing from religion because of this Hadith that the prophet saas said bring me the pen and paper otherwise you will go astray? If you do your saying that Allah swt sent the prophet saas and couldn’t deliver his message to the people instead they ended up being astray so that means the prophet saas failed as a prophet in your eyes.
I just left Sunni religion because of this Hadith, and this response isn't bringing me back!
Sure you did
ٱلْـحَـمْـدُ للهِ
@@Mimi-Maa18 insecurity doesn’t look good man, stop being so salty
@aksjcre8 well, next time he pretends to be a sunni, he should hide the channels he's subscribed to, cuz we can see them
If you are sincere, this should not be the case since Ali (RA) also made mistakes like not changing the title of RasulAllah (SAW) when asked to in the treaty by Mohammad (SAW). Humans make mistakes, but this does not mean they are bad individuals in general, Omar (RA) was simply mistaken and referred to the sickness of RasulAllah (SAW) as an incorrect opinion.
But elsewhere you will find praise of Omar Al-Farooq (RA), like...
"The Prophet said, "Among the nation of Bani Israel who lived before you, there were men who used to be inspired with guidance though they were not prophets, and if there is any of such persons amongst my followers, it is 'Umar."" - Sahih Bukhari
And even Ibn Abbas (RA) after the incident and being upset over the disagreements still said...
Ibn Abbas (RA) actually called Omar (RA) after this incident of pen and paper the dearest to him later on in his life.
"Ibn Abbas reported: I heard it from so many Companions of the Messenger of Allah(SAWS) and one among them is ‘Umar bin Khattab, who was the dearest of them to me." - Sahih Muslim 826
We believe at every junction of the prophet’s (saws) mission Ali (as) was there ,. And he glorified him,. And made an allusion that he was the successor,.
Starting with when he was mocked by his own family,. In the beginning of his mission,.
Ammar said the truth. Nothing but the truth . He was reading the narrations word for word
And I didn't see anything in this video that disproves what Sayyed Ammar said, he admitted Umar stopped the prophet from writing and claimed it was because he feared for the prophet's health, does he(Umar) know the health of the prophet better than he(SAW) knows himself?
Wait wait, we are meant to follow our leaders imams, caliphs and prophets. If he ask for pen and paper just give la!
Noor Ali got violated 😭😭😭
An entire video by Farid and his laanthi face trying to “refute” and the most you took from the video is this 🤣
Mentally challenged and intellectually diminished lot
There is no excuse for Umar . I don't know what your excuse for him is but it's as obvious as delay .
Farid bro . Give it up nothing makes sense u said . 😂
Your arguments make shia more firm believer in their faith and will make sunni's more wobbling. Keep putting weak arguments and people will find the hard truth.
I expected a better reply smh
I think you have to try much harder than this in order to reply to the arguments and use actual facts and evidences. The truth is quite tough to swallow. May Allah guide us and Insha'Allah make you lose your biases and accept Rasool'Allah's (PBUH) actual Islam which the Shias have proudly held on to.
I usually don't message or comment/respond to any videos but I am glad Br Farid that you managed to see and respond the videos. I don't know why in Ramadan Ammar wants to discuss of sunni/shia conflict when he never faced Br Asrar and then on a show contradicted his own words.
He never actually answered anything.
Asrar Rashid 🤣🤣 that wobbler 🤣🤣
He answered EVERYTHING and will continue just make sure ur strapped in it’s gonna be a hell of a ride! He has been called out directly MANY MANY times. There doesn’t need to be any direct calling anyways, you point a finger at one you’ve pointed it all jus as we Muslims feel when we’re targeted by non Muslims.
@@Syy-q5h he answered nothing with any credible source. Just his own opinion. Farid should stick to eating mint chocolate and put some weight on instead of pretending to be a man of wisdom
everyone one makes mistakes, nashwani addresses mufti menk, zakir naik, Assim al hakeem & M hijab as sunnis, it is s amistake while ther are super wahabis , i dont know about farid guy, but if he does not celebrate mawlid, 27 rajab & 15 shaban which i believe, then he is also wahabi. also The objective of farid video was to address envy and hatred against nakhswani , yet it lacks authentic evidence, relying solely on personal opinions. and attacks, nakshwani is not saying do mutas and not pray tarawee, it is fact from sunii sources the muta was allowed in islam, Prophet wives hafa and aisha was critisiced in quran, umar did so manty things wrong and look like h did not care about the Prophet PBUH, i even read he wanted to kill the Prophet PBUH which nakshwani didnot say. the Q is iff faird guy thinks umar was a nice guy and will be first to go to jannah even before prophet, because this is what is actually saying, i think it is a bold think to say. Think and decide !!!!! . After conducting critical and rational analysis alongside research, it is evident that Umar displayed traits of being shady and emotional, merely paying lip service to Islam without progressing beyond stage one, a facet often overlooked. meaning he was not a momin, left alone sideem, arif, alwaiya while on the other side Imam Ali was arif, awiliya, siddiqeen and sabirren, being a sufi, this is my conlusion which no one talking about yet.
Think and decide !!!!!
@@Syy-q5h
no it's not Ammar saying it is your own books!
May Allah sw bless you for exposing this Ashwagandhi guy.
🤡🤡 your boy ran away like umar in the discord
@@thelion2087 Umar never ran, but you know who did? your 12th Imam. Bro has been running for 1200+ years, scared and quivering in his little cave. Deliver this message from me, and tell him that the Abbasids are gone, so he can touch grass once more.
@@noface9375 lol imaginary 12th imam
@@noface9375 may your face squirm and disfigure upon his return
Brother Farid which war did Umar fought in?
Bro some of these shia scholars are so clueless of arabic that if you gave them a title as Ibn Kalbi or Binti Haiwan they'd appreciate it.
Irani majoos
Why are you calling them scholars? These shias are nowhere near scholars, they're not even more knowledgeable than the christians and jews.